Ferengi Ruin Everything Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>96637029>TQFavorite Ferengi Rule Of Acquisition?https://screenrant.com/star-trek-ds9-ferengi-rules-acquisition-explained/
>real thread picrel
>>96641108Finally! I can invent some cool tech in my bracket 3 Commander deck using Dwight Schrute, Hay King!
Where did he go when we needed him most
Rules question: While the rules specify that the coin used in a coin flip must have equal odds of landing on each side, meaning you can’t use a weighted coin, the rules do not make mention of the method used. So is it just acceptable to learn to flip coins for a desired result and win most flips? Is there some other rule that would bar this from being technically legal while perhaps against the spirit of the game?
>>96641108Bros why is Stormtide Leviathan a 50 cent bulk rare, I ended a game with it playing a PreDH deck at a normal table. Noone could attack me, I threw a fireshrieker on him and started dealing 16 unblockable damage every turn. He instantly fucked up the table and killed everyone
>>96641108>friend tries to make me watch the office>dismiss it as stupid and I would not enjoy it>see pic relatedguess I dodged a bullet, looks unfunny as fuck
>>96641286It's cringe comedy, if you don't think cringing at retards is funny you will hate it. I had an ex-gf who watched it all the time and ngl it was a little part of why I dumped her
I went to a game shop after a long time not visiting and there was a guy who blew all his money opening pokemon packs, looking for some kinds of rare foils or something. How much prevalent is this in your playgroup? Personally I never had issues with lootboxes, I just construct my decks, buy cards for them and that's it. I never play formats which force a rotation on you.
>>96641269“Equal likelihood” pretty much excludes this technique if you were caught.That being said, anyone accusing you would probably look like a schizo, and a judge couldn’t rule a third party flip instead because the affected player has to flip.But what exactly would you be doing with this, anyway? Even if you got flawless flips every time, what would you be rigging? Luck counters on chance encounter?
>>96641327Opening sealed product is basically a different form of gambling addiction. Pokemon especially because the game itself is not very good and mostly played by 10 year olds, but the chase cards can be a couple thousand dollars. You are definitely doing the right thing, those people are drowning in shitty cards they never wanted and waste so much money. But they keep the industry alive, and someone has to open the boxes for us to buy the singles we want, so they play a weirdly important role.
I hope all tribal spells references their type in the the text as that seems to make the most sense.
>>96641119I can't wait for the race (skin color) swap in the Star Trek set>>96641244Like many he just abandoned mtg (he did right)
>>96641352I wish Squash was Giant tribal as it is practically useless.
>>96641244who?
>>96641108This is some bullshit
>>96641108Which is the best Lorwyn card for now and why it’s him?
>>96641442>mutavault tokenmutavault token>mutavault tokenmutavault token>mutavault tokenmutavault token
>>96641244I don't even need the coom, that's just a beautiful use of that reference on principle
>>96641442Probably this
Create a mutavault tokenVenture into the mutavaultMutate the mutavault onto target creatureMegamutavaultMuta-jutsuTransform your MutavaultsActivate only as a sorcery and only once per mutavaults you controlUntap your mutavaultsCreate a Dwight token
>>96641449yes. we hearthstone now. reading the card does not explain the card.
>>96641449Seems worse than an incubator token.
>>96641472
>create a lotus petal token
>>96641487>create the power nine
>>96641491wish I could draft mb2...
>>96641286I sort of like it, but I specifically like a few clips of it that nailed the comedic timing and I am fully aware the show went to shit over time (as they all do). All things considered it’s definitely not for everyone.
>>96641470
We need a UW pirate set leading into One Piece UB then a card game UW set leading into Yugoh UB
>>96641108Star Trek already has its own card gamehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBvsNnRFuFghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WMD78mpSan0
>>96641119How many Star Trek aliens will get their own creature type and how many will just be Aliens?I expect Vulcans, Klingons, Romulans, Borg, and Ferengi at least to get their own type. Cardassians, Bajorans, Orions, Andorians, Tellarites, and Gorn could go either way.
>>96641569Bandai and Konami would never allow it.
UB was a mistake.
>>96641660Speaking of meaningless platitudes where's Brazil-Anon?
Alright, you, the guy who also browses this place from Porto. Let's meet up in arena tomorrow if you're going there. Do you usually play draft or something else on the tuesday nights?
>>96641470The standard printing has reminder text This is how it almost always is
>>96641677OG art is way more kino than the alt art wtf
>>96641674>Counterspells have historically never been problematic>In fact they're so not problematic we've upped their standard going rate, print less in each set, and will never print a free one again
>>96641686>prints a free one again anyway
>>96641119>still hasn't fixed the lazy P/T
>>96641674Counterspells have never been an unfair way to play magic. Countermagic has had its unfair times, largely when it is readily repeatable and able to create a lock (BalanceTop comes to mind) but "UU|Interrupt|Counters target spell as it is being cast" is fair and balanced magic as Garfield intended.
>>96641820>horizons crapNot real magic.
Could blocks coming back save this shit of a game? How many chances are of this happening?
>>96642082>3 sets of TMNTWhy would you want that anon?
>>96641960yes maro blatant power creep sells
>>96641960>War of the Spark is the only set to stay on the same plan and the set before it not to go down in sales.MARO.DRAFT.SMALL SETS WERE DRAFTED AT THE END OF A CYCLE.MARK ROSEWATER.WHEN A LARGE SET IS PART OF A DRAFT FOR A FULL YEAR, AND A SMALL SET IS PART OF IT FOR THREE MONTHS.MISTER BORELLI. THE SET THAT FINISHES A DRAFT CYCLE WILL INHERENTLY SELL LESS THAN THE SET THAT STARTED IT.MISTER BORELLI.STOP USING THIS BASIC FACT OF REALITY THAT TIME MOVES LINEARLY AS AN EXCUSE FOR YOU PRODUCING SLOP VOMIT TRASH.
A solution to set sales dwindling over a block that doesn't require you to scrap blocks:Draft 3x of the newest set, instead of splitting drafts across the block.Wa la.
>>96641960War of the Sparks had almost nothing to do with Ravnica
Should I keep playing 60-card formats or should I just take the Brawl-pill? It seems like 60-card formats aren't even the WOTC supported way of playing these days.
>>96642214commander pill is the final pill any MTG player eventually has to swallow
>>96642214If you want to surrender to casualness and shit design with a 100 piles that play like a tabletop instead of the strategic usual battle of classic Magic… Then i guess you can take that pill.Or you can leave the hobby too…
Undertale Secret Lair when?
>>96642214nobody plays Brawl in real life, it's only really a thing on Arena, Commander is the format getting the most amount of support
>>96642156Sure, aside from a third of the set being guild themed
>>96642298Please no.
blocks were a financial mistake and none of you want a whole block of mkm or dft so recognize that the sole idea of blocks back is a terrible suggestion
>>96642374>financial mistakeOnly because the need for infinite growth from Hasbro.
>>96642374Mark even if you repeat this ten thousand times you will never be right about blocks is the best and most cohesive way to expand this game.Unless you prostitute this game like a cheap bitch with literally every fucking IP and we have a year like 2026 with Leonardo, Spock, Bilbo and She-hulk in the same year.
>>96642374So true, can't wait for the 2027 walmart ub set.
>>96642306There are guild cards in it but it isn't guild themed.
>>96642395Literally the whole story was all of Ravnica coming together to fight Bolas.
>>96641674I stand by that regular Counter spell would have been a good inclusion for Foundations and wouldn't even be that op in current standard
>>96642374In a world of blocks DFT, MKM, hell even EOT wouldn't even fucking existGo crawl back to whatever hole you clawed your way out of, mark
>>96642414Yeah, we'd have three spiderman sets instead
>>96642405>Literally the whole story was all of Ravnica coming together to fight Bolas.WRONG.
>>96641960>... and not go down in our internal player happiness metricsIs what he wanted to write
>>96642436Why are you doing this? Every guild was involved.
>>96642405I don't consider it a Ravnica set if it isn't completely about the guilds. Limited formats are way too different.
>>96642298Knowing Toby it'd be reskins of the worst possible fucking cards.
>>96642490So you liked Karlov Manor?
>>96641960War of the spark rocked because the cards were awesome, simple as that. It was funny how some of the uncommon walkers were better than a bunch of rares. Narset, Ashiok, Saheeli
>>96642405>Literally the whole story was all of Ravnica coming together to fight Bolas. there's a cycle of cards showing each of the guilds teaming up with another called "Bond of ___", so that's five cards. then there's like another two or three cards that show similar subjects, like picrel. so that's like seven or eight total following that theme. there are far more cards depicting ebic ploonswalkers fighting random Dreadhorde dudes, and their signature spells. in one case, two ebic ploonswalkers showed up to Ravnica and then all they did was ebically fight each other with their ebic spells. neither of them won. nothing happened.so, no. I would not say the set was "guild themed", not even a third of it. even the cards depicting native Ravnicans seem to depict guildless people.also the Marvel quips... so many shitty Marvel quips in the flavor text...
>>96642563she changed the side on which her hair was parted before killing that Eternal
>>96642298I could ask this kike in the nicest most polite way possible for why he and JOTC in general keep white perpetually weak, at least in Standard even after the PR debacle about White, and this facetious kike would still go >There is no bias, all colors are balanced equally and excel in various formats, not EVERY color can be good in EVERY format :-)
>>96641352Has there ever been a Tribal/Kindred spell that didn't reference their type in some way?
>>96642779Bound in silence from the top of my head
How long until this happnes?
>>96642779There are several Eldrazi Tribal spells that support colorless creatures in general instead of Eldrazi specifically.
>>96642672>future>magiclol
>>966427952027, when all sets become UB
>>966427952027
>>96642563That's also not a guild set.
>>96642795It'll happen if a world champion specifically requests it and the IP holder is fine with it.
>>96642806Guilds are the main plot point though. Selesnya.
>>96642803>>96642805
>the office sloppen lairbut why tho?
>>96642852because people will buy it
Imagine if Lorwyn wasn't posponed to make room for Spider-Man, 2026 would have been 2 in-universe sets and 5 UB sets.One of the in-universe being a Harry Potter knockoff and the other likely the same Avengers kind of shit dressed as MtG we've been getting for years with this kind of set.
>>96642865because they THINK people will buy itand they are probably right, but they have had many many undersold SL in the past so who knows.
>>96642443The story of WAR was about Planeswalkers fighting Bolas. The Guilds had almost nothing, and by almost nothing I mean literally buttfucking nothing at all, to do with it.
>>96642795Highly unlikely? Next year then lol
>>96642889I would wager there hasn't been a single unprofitable UB yet, even among the ones that undersold.
>>96642870I can’t understand who at Hasbro had the absolute balls and enough evilness to say:”Yeah, people is kinda tired after the first year with 6 sets and the Spider-Man set was not even well received… So let’s fucking double down next year one more set UB obviously! That will show them!” I can’t pray enough for 2026 to be an absolute disaster for Magic
>>96642917devil's advocate, the design process is too long for them to be able to make changes like that within a year, any shifts would take at least 2
>>96642865>Peoplescalpers.
>>96642913Tbh we don’t know how much WOTC is paying for the licenses
>>96642913It's hard to disagree, selling cardboard singles for 10 dollars a piece is basically an infinite money glitch.
>>96642932while true, I can't imagine it costing that much given that it's basically free advertisingunless the licensers were planning on doing their own competing card game, there's basically no downside
Is mono white soldiers good for premodern? I loved Onslaught block
>>96642978In the early 2000s marvel licensing was in the millions for miniature and toy companies. Can’t imagine it’s become less than that especially due to inflation.
>Flesh and Blood looks like shit>Sorcery seems like a convoluted jank fest in terms of gameplayWhere do we even go to bros
>>96642870At my LGS all the other sets sold out completely (as in no play or collector boosters available in the first print batch) this year.Spiderman is sitting on the shelves, taking up as much place as every other display combined.Will wotc learn from this mistake and realize 6 marvel sets are the stupidest idea ever, or will they double down and pack the future sets full of broken ass cards to make sure they don't flop?
>>96643106the answer is making your own game to then ruin it because people just want to play out a power fantasy with crossover shit like mtg with card board rectangles
If you buy any MtG products after this you're a cuck
I still don't fully get why Wizards is forcing UB slop on tournment play. I imagine most of the sales for this kind of shit comes from commanderfags or people that don't even play Magic and just want a self-contained experience from their favorite IPs.Tourneyfags drive pack sales because of format staples, but I imagine this doesn't represent a huge impact on the set's finances. I guess they already have many contracts in place and need to justify printing a bunch of full-sized sets, but on the long term, it seems to me like making commander decks or small sets is more sustaintable than commiting to 3 full sets every year for this shit.
>>96643163Tourney grinder kikes wouldn’t care if UB took over and the strongest card was unironically Peppa Pig, Eater of Crayons.As long as they can win shekels, sell the strongest cards for shekels pre-ban, and keep recycling shekels for future tournaments, nothing else matters.
>>96643163Their entire rationale was “people were disappointed to buy UB cards, turn up to their LGS to play standard, and learn they’re not legal.”Which is dumb, because the UB player who turns up to play standard without checking what cards are legal is probably playing a trash pile, will get pub stomped, and will promptly slink back to the commander pods.
>>96641108OP image is an edit, right? Someone tell me it isn't real
>>96643210I was telling a guy I used to play with recently that I was glad spiderman got an in-universe reskin on MTGO so that if any of the cards were pauper viable I wouldn’t have to play them. Without missing a beat he said, “but isn’t the point of pauper that you don’t need to care about the flavor of the cards and can just tournament grind?”
>>96643220It's real. So is this.We are in Hell.
>>96642917MTG's release schedule isn't that agile, all these UB sets have been planned for at least two to three years at this point
>>96643149lotr fit in the mtg aesthetics>but le brown woke deidon't carei can paint over it
>>96643227So what's the March UB set meant to be and why is that unannounced, but we know the rest of them?
>>96643243People have guessed that the March set is TMNT but it's bound to be announced in some Nickelodeon event soonish so it's not on the chart yet
>>96643163They are trying very hard to find the next FF. That set was succesful not only among Cummander fags but also with constructed bro, now the problem? They are trying so much hard they are cannibalizing the main game to the point where the supposed “sacred balance” between the UB supposedly aimed for the customers that wanted those outsider IPs into their games and the actual sets the thing people actually want is torn in favor of this search with the hope of making another millions of dollars of short term profits.Surely from the executive business point of view this is plan without fails and that will generate line to go up. From my perspective talking to other Magic gamers the 7 sets are already a reason to quit but knowing those sets will be UB majority and from garbage like TMNT, Star Trek or another Marvel ripoff is like the ultimate spit to a whole customer base.
>>96643229and they also planned to go increasing the max number of sets from year to year? because that seems like a very stupid idea to even consider doesn’t matter if comes from years in advance.
>>96643270Some of the changes seem to have been spontaneous. Spiderman set was definitely rushed from a small set to a full set and pushed Lorwyn to next year, which causes the year to look bloated. Regardless, expect it to be a recurring theme onward.
>>96643282bankrupt can’t come soon enough…
>>96641442Sure, 3 mana create mutavault would already be good, and with this guy you can bounce and do tribal stuff.Overall Lorwyn looks like high power level.
>>96643313Unless they ban Vivi none of the cards that cost 3+ are gonna see play
>>96643149I'll just use alternative art. There is one, right?
>>96643313I’m full ok with real sets making game staples. Vivi shit being in every game feels horrible to me.
>>96643318Well, that's a given.
would you be ok with ub stuff if they made through the omenpaths for all of them? and print them on paper too
>>96643347Not really but it would be better than nothing
>>96643347>every card now has weird gameplay issue like being Human Spider Hero for no reason>omenpath versions, despite being believable in-universe cards, have mismatched theme, lack of flavortext/no storytelling/no connection inbetweenNo
>>96643347Yes.
>>96643347The only acceptable UB are secret lair art treatments of existing cards.
>>96643347The problem is not only UB the real problem is SEVEN FUCKING PRODUCTS A YEAR. Greedy bastards 6 were not enough money for you? Seriously? Choke on a cock.
>>96643347sure. that was the original intent with the unique secret lairs after all. now not even sonic is getting one
>>96643347I'd be ok with UBs if they didn't powercreep them on purpose to sell and were actually fun to use or mechanically interesting.Like what the fuck were they thinking with The One Ring and Vivi?Also what this Anon said >>96643422The game is already bloated as fuck, now add unto that 20 sets a year, not counting SLs or other drops, you get 50k new cards each month that have been designed by a monkey on a typewriter using AI to make the effects.It's absolute fucking slop.
>>96643347I would be ok with UB stuff if it was just secret lairs. Omenpaths is better than nothing, but still going in the wrong direction. The spongebob and office shit are super dumb, but I'd be side eyeing the people buying them, not wotc for making them.
>>96643347Yes, especially if it's slightly cheaper (due to no licensing costs)
>>96643422>Greedy bastardsNo, WOTC is the only thing keeping Hasbro afloat at this point.
>>96643270No, 2027 will have 6 sets.
>>96643492lol
>>96643479it was just secret lairs, then it was other side projects like commander decks, then they made a modern-only set, and here we are now. bastards like you gave them an inch so they took a mile.fuck UB, total UB death, RIP magic 1993-2020
>>96643479I've never seen a single episode of spongebob but still ordered the basic lands
>>96643347I actually prefer Spiderman over the Omenpaths.At least then I know that the shitty mechanical design is due to them making some shitty reference and not just some random named mook from actual mtg world.I prefer less of this in mtg lore.
>>96643493sure bud.
>2027 sets preview>a big number 6 appears on the screen>"6 SETS">audience erupt in cheers>suddenly the number 6 droops down and turns into a 9>"... 9 SETS! And 7 will be UBs!"
Seeing how this game turned out to be and what the future holds, it gave me buyer's regret.
>>96643493>Believing the kike lies>The same dude that said “UB WILL NEVER BE IN STANDARD PINKIE PROMISE”Anon… Anon, i…
>>96643561He has not much to say on the matters.
>>96643595He is the public image of this game for me. Even if the decision comes from some suits he is still the person i will insult because of his incompetence to stop this shit.
>>96643602You should realize by now that players and enjoyers of the game are not the target audience.It's scalpers, normies and investors.
I have waited so long for a return to Lorwyn, it was the first set that I played for real at a LGS rather than buying shit in bulk from thrift stores or buying precons and playing against myself (I remember buying a deck once that came with a CD-ROM with a 'how-to play magic' game).Lorwyn itself looks decent all things considered, I will probably play some draft games when it came out and get into premodern, pauper, find people interested in building a cube or some shit.Taking a look at alternative games, none of them look very good
>>96643513Nah, slippery slope arguments are dumb. Especially in this case, when they've done non-standard sets for ages.
>>96643242Did you? show us your aragorn alter
>>96643658I didn't buy any of the lotr cards
>6 hours of Fallen Empires set review
>>96643631In fact they seem to have gotten rid of non-Standard sets. Nothing this year was a non-Standard release, for example.
>>96643492>No, WOTC is the only thing keeping Hasbro afloat at this point.So, your refutation to WotC being greedy is that WotC is incentive to partake in greed?
>>96643712I’ll see your fallen empires and raise you a story time of Odyssey block
This won't convince you assholes of anything but Maro's firmly stating Reality Fracture is not UB becoming canon. Why would it be?
>>96643631every slip slope has been true and only jews call it a fallacy to hide their true intentions
>>96643886>using piss analogy to describe your productyeah pretty apt maro
>>96643886Literally the most insufferable use of a smiley face emojiI bet he has the same shit eating grin while watching Palestinian children getting their heads blown off
>>96643886why the fuck should I believe anything maro says, he's been caught lying time and time and time and time and time againthat said I don't think it's "making UB canon" but I still have extremely low expectations for reality fracture and 2027 going forward. I really think the best case scenario is that it'll be a UW set to reprint valuable UBslop cards without the legal red tape.
>maro lies for decades>people still read his blog>people still tries to find gotchas in his old posts as if it's crazy that Maro lied again and againThis is why magic will never die. Because the player base is incapable of pattern recognition.
pioneer can you suggest me a fun deck to play? i know citadel just won a challenge so i guess the meta is really open so can you recommend me your more fun decks? please no monored, monoblack, phoenix or rakdos demons…
>>96643875No.
Switched to katanas. Best sleeves. Drag shield sleeves can't compete.
>>966439975c humans
>>96643997The only fun way to play pioneer is to not play.
>>96644055I had a bunch of katanas split on me after 2 months, I find they are pretty comparable to dragonshields in shuffle feel. I don't see the reason to switch
>>96643886It would only be fair if they had to reflect on their own set design the awfulness of having a random Spongebob appearing in front of Bolas and countering its magic.
>>96643886>Mark says it's not happening.So, happening in 2027 then?
Now that we got the Clue set, how long before they try other Hasbro crosservers?>Battleship set with lots of new sea-themed vehicles>Monopoly set centered on placing house and hotel tokens on land cards>Risk! set focused on dice play like the D&D set
>>96643997Manufacturing Rakdos is my jam right now. New Omenpathslegends deck looks fun too
>>96644152>Now that we got the Clue set, how long before they try other Hasbro crosservers?Clue failed miserably and MKM was one of the worst selling sets of all time. Mercifully, we're saved from that. For now.
>>96644152they just announced a furby secret lair the other day
>>96644152Power Rangers is definitely gonna happen at some point, despite Hasbro's best efforts to just ignores its existence. Really, it's weird it hasn't yet.
>>96643997I came up with this last weekhttps://moxfield.com/decks/f6dg4_yf2Uie0ANm_dyyngit's similar to greasefang in practice but you go through your deck a lot faster
In MSE, what is the best way to export a sheet with multiples of each card that i can print out to playtest physically?
>>96644222>In MSE, what is the best way to export a sheet with multiples of each card that i can print out to playtest physically?Export them normally then.old.photojoiner.com
>>96643997Mono white devotion, great matchup against the meta right now. The birth of meletis is like a stone wall, nothing goes through it.
>>96644224That's exactly the sort of busywork I wanted to avoid
>>96643886Not to say it will definitely happen in that set, but Maro used the exact wording at rumors of a D&D crossover back in 2016, then announced “the streams have crossed” with AFR. Make of that what you will.
>>96643997Esper legends if like me you miss Raffine. The deck is very solid, kaito is a beast
>>96643925Honestly if anything MaRo strikes me as one of those reform Jews that doesn’t really like Israel but is too chickenshit to say anything. Could be wrong though.
>>96643997put blue and white cards in a deck and play magic until you win
>>96644225but anon, have you considered that white is incredibly weak and wotc hates it?there's LITERALLY no strong white cards, how are you going to play a deck of only white cards?
>>96644227Then your best option is to fork MSE and implement the feature yourself.
>>96643997>pioneer can you suggest me a fun deck to play?>pioneer>funAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAI've been fucking around with pic rel lately and it's honestly not awful. Still some kinks to iron out, mind you.
I feel so bad on Nick’s behalf that WOTC directly ratfucked him with this fish shit. Wonder what the coward stooge “influencers” will have to say about it.
thanks to all of you anons i will try the deck you suggested!!! very appreciated.
>>96644202>I came up with (Storm Herald/Colossification)anon....
you guys think there's any chance spiderman collectors go back to $550+? i have some boxes pre-sold at a profit and i'm considering keeping one just to speculate. but reading here and some other sources seems very gloom and doom, maybe i'll just be happy to get what i got
>>96644248Decided to just do this instead
>>96644293I meant I came up with that specific list, not the archtype, obviously
>>96644310If it works, it works.Godspeed mate, custom drafts are always a blast.
>>96644310>UU>4/1
>>96644327it's just a proxy version of the dandan secret lair in portuguese but using a good version of the list insteadhttps://moxfield.com/decks/wm-DM2-zTEWFSiOh-HAtzQ
>>96644327Hello newfag frogposter
>>96644397Bad design then. Bad design now.
>>96644184It's probably the Zords giving them issues in terms of balancing
>>96644514I suppose they would be difficult to design for.
>>96644110That would be homophobic though.
>>96644589Then again, they could just do a modified keyword and be "Crew Ranger" rather than a number.
>>96642779Modern all star
modern gamers are playing on a different level of consciousness
>>96644840forgot pic
>>96644853Welcome back, Baku and Genn.
>>96644840Can someone explain to me how someone can lose a final against a shit card like Supression Ray?
>>96644956the wrong card at the right time can make all the difference in the world
I wonder if legacy would be the most popular format if the rl cards were banned or reprinted.
>>96645047Modern would be the most popular format if we banned everything printed in the last 8-9 years.
>>96644956>Can someone explain to me how someone can lose a final against a shit card like Supression Ray?OOOOOMMMMHHHHHHGGGGGGGGHEHE DREW SIXTEEN CARDS!!!!!!!!
Oh, Duel Commander, a format I'm not sure anybody here cares about, got some unbans. https://www.mtgdc.info/announcements/2025/september-29-2025
I played Fatal Frame 2 this weekend and now I'm starting Kuon. Horror MtG sets seem to do well, a J-horror set would be neat. Maybe related to Kamigawa, but not necessarily
>>96645251i exclusively play duel but we dont use their banlist because they are a bunch of retards
>>96641683they're positioning it as a cunt set so all the chases are going to be uwu heckin soft lil guys!!!!that's also probably why they're doing a novel again, because they're the biggest consuming demographic of fiction publishing right now.
>>96645251>a format I'm not sure anybody here cares aboutI do care about it because I can play it competitively on MTGO, I didn't bring it up here because people don't like talking about EDH in general, and I don't bring it up on /edhg/ because there's always some fucking guy that goes:>wtf??? X card is so weak in my casual pod, why is it banned??? are DC players scared or something??? and it's exhausting to explain to a casual player what a 1v1 competitive format is like every goddamn timeanyways, since you decided to bring it up:>asmothis will impact MTGO more than paper, deadpool is by far the best rakdos commander but he's not on the client, asmo has potential to be second best>baralI am not looking foward to playing against it but I'm sure mono blue players will appreciate having more options>rofellosnot expecting him to see much play, a lot of the power from mono green ramp as an archtype comes from deplyoing broken lands faster than anyone else, rofellos forcing you to rely harder on forests while being easy to remove doesn't sound like a recipe for success>loyal retainersfits perfectly into animatou reanimator but that's about it, it's a big boost for a single deck, I'm not against it getting unbanned but it's not very interesting>esiorthis one is a bit tricky, under the new partner rule you effectively only have one commander so it's not going to be able to protect anything important, I guess this opens up some unexplored deckbuilding space but I don't expect anything big from itoverall, glad they finally decided to start unbanning stuff more often, the format can definitely handle it
>>96645420I will probably get an Alien style sci-fi horror set before that lol
>>96645420nosewater said horror "polls badly" (read: women don't like it)
>>96645523Isn't Innistrad one of the most succesful sets ever?And overall the opinions on Duskmourn seem to be positive despite the 80s shit that no one asked for
>>96645523Lmao I think Duskmourn alongside the factor power level was VERY succesful.Horror always sell.
>>96645551>>96645567that was said specifically in response to duskmourn. he wanted it to be even less horror than it already was.
>>96645523I really don’t believe this. If you go to any convention or fan panel for horror flicks (mostly slashers and final destination) there’s way more women than any other nerd event.
>>96645551>>96645583In retrospect I actually really love the setting and monsters in Duskmourn, it’s like an even more diabolical version of that IKEA SCP.If it didn’t have the dumb 80s shit and cheerleaders clashing with it, I probably would’ve had it in my top 3 planes.
No more horror, just UB slop
Old timer learning something new.Did they change the term "Tribal" to "Kindred"?
>>96645600Mark you are a fucking faggot…Cummander retards and casuals willing to eat your UB slop doesn’t mean actual Magic players dislike horror retard.
>>96645631Yes. The reasoning was that the usage of the word “tribal” could cause some offense to Native American groups. Nobody actually bothered to ask Native Americans. This was all just at the behest of the cultural consultants WOTC pays out the ass so that they could justify their paychecks. Issue being that you look like a weirdo for bringing this up because the social attitudes of most magic players are either “lazy woke” or “apolitical nerd,” and so people will think you’re a psycho for caring.
>>96645600>We did a surveyHow about you have a fucking creative vision instead of being a cuck to a bunch of loser nobodies who have no taste and know nothing about game design.
>>96645661So they're slow killing the tribal fanbase. Gotcha.And here I was going to return with purchasing like, 20 decks of commons tribals so I could lowkey play with old MTG nerds I see every so often.
>>96645631YeahIt's just a syntax change, a "Tribal Enchantment" and a "Kindred Enchantment" are identical ruleswise
>>96645684I mean, no. It's the same shit. But with different name.
>>96645736On a side note, I don't think they could have come up with an alternate term more lame and auraless than "kindred" if they tried.
>>96642992Playable but probably not good. White Weenies is doing the same thing but better. Soldiers does have some cool tech and has card advantage, but it is sloooooooow. Still though, I'd really be looking to rip as much from WW as possible>Rishadan Port>Swords to Plowshares>Disenchant>Whipcorder>Mother of Runes (not a soldier I know but insanely good)>Armageddon>Cursed ScrollThere are some sidegrades you can make to support Soldier>Soltari Priest becomes Soltari Champion >Glorious Anthem becomes Daru Warchief>Savannah Lion becomes a 1 drop soldier, strong case for Soltari Foot Soldier or Deftblade Elite>Find space for Enlistment Officer to shit out mono W card advantageI've tried to make it work before, its okay and it brings some extra grindiness, but you're definitely losing some speed and raw card quality. The soldier pay-offs are just okay, Unified Strike is just not good enough with Terravores, Angels, and Dreadnoughts running around, although Frontline Strategist is a powerful "gotchya" card. The lord and top-4 digger are awkwardly slow at 4 mana and the soldier 1 2 and 3 drops aren't powerful enough to make up for them. Catapult Master is a meme and unplayable, with 5 soldiers you're already winning and should just be attacking. Daru Encampment is pretty good and you don't have as many WW costs to hit without the Silver Knight or Soltari Priest/Monk, so it becomes easier to run. Catapult Squad, Gempalm Avenger, and Mobilization are all very mediocre, I want to like Squad but 1 toughness makes it hard to love, Gempalm is playable and works well in the late with Enlistment Officer but relies on having an established board
>>96645748They were floating "Typal" for a while and that's way more dry. "Kindred" at least makes me think of VtM.
>Remove Tribal because it's offensive>Replace it with Kindred>Kindred, rooted through Old English Cynn to proto-Germanic Kunja>Which meant "My tribe"Bravo, everyone. You did it. What a success.
>>96645736Tranny ashling looks like shit
>>96645771Yeah her new design does look pretty terrible honestly.
>kindredin english, direct connotation of family and cultural connection, creates a distinct us/them perspective, an eldraine gob and an ixalan gob are still goblins and all others are not goblins>tribalin english, connotation of ooga booga spearchucking and shamans dancing around a fireno wonder /mtg/ hates kindred
>want to play Myr Servitor + Goblin Engineer>not good enough for Modern>not legal in PioneerMy problem with Pioneer is the exact shit I want to play in it, I'm not allowed to play.
>>96645782>in english, connotation of ooga booga spearchucking and shamans dancing around a fire... uh, no?
>>96645748You should’ve been there for the half a year stint where the most obnoxious person at your LGS insisted you call it “typal.” Got them to shut the fuck up by talking about my puebolan uncles.
>>96645782>connotation of ooga booga spearchucking and shamans dancing around a firei think of stinky gauls sacking rome ackshually
>>96645789You use the word "tribe" in any non-mtg context and any native english speaker is going to be thinking of either injun stereotypes or african stereotypes, maybe some germanic pagans at best
>>96645767It never made any sense in the first place because it’s such a generic word. Changing totem armor was kind of dumb, but at least you can understand that there’s worries about being insensitive to depictions of animistic religions. There’s absolutely no issue with tribe.
>>96645784even if both of those cards were legal in pioneer, they would still be pretty weak compared to the rest of the field, I think your best bet is playing casual kitchen table
>>96645807>ou use the word "tribe" in any non-mtg context and any native english speaker is going to be thinking of either injun stereotypes or african stereotypes,.... no?First, we're talking about MTG. So I think Elves.Moreover, why would thinking about peoples who literally operate according to tribal structures be wrong to think about when someone uses the word tribe?
>>96645808Umbra is a way cooler word than Totem anyway
>>96645807As an independent word devoid of context where one has to fill in the gaps, sure.In the context of a game, it’s pretty easily seen as a “band of brothers” connotation. I think kindred is a fine term, but it was a dumb reason to break status quo.
>>96645818Whatever you say Chief Sitting Bull, go call some Irish guys a "tribe" IRL and see where that gets you
>>96645820Yeah, totem definitely DOES have some funky connotations of face painted shamans in a pulp story, umbra sounds more magical.
>>96645754They still use Typal to refer to the broad thing of 'mechanics and effects that care about certain creature types' and Kindred for the card type, because they were like "it's confusing that they're the same term" and then people began using Kindred for both because... People.
>>96645826>Whatever you say Chief Sitting Bull, go call some Irish guys a "tribe" IRL and see where that gets youWhy would I do that?
>>96645826Tribe has been used interchangeably with clan to describe the early Irish social hierarchy. It’s true that native groups are pretty much the only ones still using it as an official title, but at worst you’d get a confused look for using it for any group of people. Pretty sure A Tribe Called Quest weren’t a bunch of Navajo.
>>96645818>peoples who literally operate according to tribal structuresSo true! Ulamog's iconic feathered headdress and voodoo incantations really weren't represented well in the art here.
>>96645598>In retrospect I actually really love the setting and monsters in DuskmournPretty much this. The survivors are retarded, but the monsters and horror flavor are unexpectedly kino.The Fears in particular were amazing, like a callback to OG Kamigawa spirits.
>>96645852You seem upset.
>>96645859A revisit to Duskmourn could easily tweak the survivors to feel more correct. Pic-related is probably the ideal approach, making them feel cautious and world-worn, but still 'survivors'. You can have a few action hero types, those at least feel like people who've been 'surviving'. But so many of them felt like people who'd wandered into the House from an outside that doesn't exist. It's a hell-world, not just a weird place in a plane.
>>96645859100% agreed. The problem with DSK is that about 4/5 of the set is either meme survivor shit or shameless movie references. When they actually gave a shit the results were godly.
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>>96645600I hate whenever this lying fuck goes on about "surveys" and "data" because he never actually shares the data itself or the questions they asked so it's insanely easy for him to just manipulate or obfuscate "the data" to suite whatever narrative he wants to push that day
>>96645859I really hope we go back to Duskmourn in the next 3 years and that it becomes more an actual HAUNTED HOUSE full of nightmares the part they did well and less Ghostbusters and Serie B horror references the part they fucked up.
>>96645869They were trying to have their cake and eat it to with the world once being like an IRL America in the 80s, but a lot of the survivors have flavor indicating them having prior lives on varsity teams and shit, which would mean they either remembered a time before the house or were brought in from some sort of other plane that also has modern varsity sports. The former can’t be possible because Winter is at least a second generation house resident along with the established fact that the plane slowly replaces your memories (the kor survivors don’t remember zendikar), and the latter is just dumb.
>>96645598I always thought the same thing. Remove the ghostbusters hat and that set was good thematically. And extremely powerful, the Overlords, Kaito, Screaming Nemesis, Sheltered by Ghosts, Valgavoth, Needlehead, FOMO, Marvin, Ghost Vacuum, a few of the rooms, the enduring creatures, the dual lands...It's a good box investment I think
>>96645869I'll give them credit that in his year in review thing MaRo did admit that the 80s and real world stuff was universally the most disliked part of Duskmourn so they are definitely aware of it. Whether they actually do anything to correct it in a possible future follow-up is a completely different story though
>>96645869>But so many of them felt like people who'd wandered into the House from an outside that doesn't exist.What gets me is how insincere it felt. You have a legitimately excellent horror set with some designs on the level of the Eldrazi/Phyrexia's freakiest, but then SO MUCH of the set was just >hey this world isn't that bad we still got lots of silliness going on :)It's like putting a clown nose on Vorinclex.
>>96645591A lot of women fantasize being brutally murdered, you see that when you look at the true crime community and all the love letters they send to serial killers
>>96645875The problem is you can tell individual members of the team still care and are putting their whole ass into it, but they’re being held back by the ones who just half-ass it and other people will plain terrible ideas. I think the abandonment of blocks exacerbates the issue of inconsistencies within a plane, but part of it might just be plain incompetence at scale. Like duskmourn still having dogs, but also having beasties, which are apparently accidental mutations of house pets. Or everything having to do with angels in New Cappena.
>>96645925I think a similar amount of men (and women, if you can believe it) also fantasize about doing the killing. Not saying we live in a uniquely violent era (violent crimes are generally lower than in past generations), but we have much more of an opportunity to fantasize about violence via proxy. It’s funny to think about the moral panic caused decades ago over brands where you could run over tiny pixelated humanoids in a pixelated vehicle compared to now, where any person with a computer can watch a fully uncensored video of a guy dying from getting fucked in the ass by a horse, and the broader cultural zeitgeist enjoys both reality and fantasy programming with murder, rape, and genocide as primary factors.
>>96645945Meant to say games, not brands.I’m getting off-topic anyway. The goriest magic ever really got was picrel, although in terms of pure aesthetic bloodlust old cards like Goblin Hero are pretty raw.
Reading interviews with the creative team behind Duskmourn makes me believe that the survivor designs were imposed on them by some higher up.The talk about 80s more like an inspiration (color grading of giallo movies, the "practical effect" feel of the monsters), but never touch on windbreakers and Nike shoes.The only thing they do mention is using the TV static texture for the ghosts, which makes me thing the original vision for the set was a lot more subtle.
>>96645922I mean they CAN have levity, they just have to have it in a certain way.
>>96645974The set was sold to higher-ups as being 80s-themed horror plane, and I guess the 80s stuff was what they were pushed to focus on for the theme for marketing or some such, to separate it from Innistrad's horror.
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>>96645952>I’m getting off-topic anyway. The goriest magic ever really got was picrellmao, not even close
>>96645600there was no survey. he is lying
>>96645952>The goriest magic ever really got was picrel,(not true, btw)
post more gore
My personal favorite MTG gore is Crumbling Necropolis because almost nobody notices how absolutely fucking gruesome the art is when they first look at it.
>>96646061How did Grixis even have a society when everything is constantly apocalyptic?
>>96646074>How did Grixis even have a society when everything is constantly apocalyptic?Rampant necromancy keeps the hamster wheel spinning.
>>96646074it mimics modern day america
>>96645600Comparing relative numbers from different surveys basically means nothingNot even taking into account that the sample sizes of these surveys are probably not very representative
man MTG used to be so damn kino wtf happened...
More like Magic: The Gorening lel
>>96646088>VAMPIRIC embrace>no lifelink>>96646093>6 mana 4/1 deathtouch that cant blockbrutal
>>96645771The really fucked up thing is that they changed her number of fingers...after getting it right in MH3.
>>96644276Imagine you made a list of your thirteen favorite Taylor Swift songs and called it "Swift's Greatest Hits". Would that stop her from publishing her own greatest hits album with the same list? What about if 12/13 of the songs are the same? Compilation copyright is real, but you won't prevail when everything in the compilation is from a single artist and force them to license the list from you.Pouring creative energy into Magic and expecting to get anything out of it is foolish. Hasbro owns all the fruits of Magic either de jure or de facto. Can't you see they are at war with creativity? They would never reward it. Dude is lucky if they send him a free copy of the secret lair. (They don't want to but if the twitter stink is big enough they will do it.)
>>96646088Moral guardians starting moral panic inspiring companies to avoid having any edge to them whatsoever.Never listen to pearl-clutchers, this is what they took from you.
>>96646042Tbh this doesn’t bother me as much as victim of night because the figures depicted are presumably already dead
>>96646095>brutalLegions was a famous stinker of a set.
>>96646074Apocalypse matters a no lot less when dead people can move.
>>96643886>The streams are staying separate. :)The streams have already merged. UB is integral to Magic's existence now and going forward. How brazen their lies become to try to contradict observed reality. You have to surrender independent thought to support Magic at this point; it is entirely about bowing to our corporate overlords inside and outside of the game.
>>96646074Grixis society is necromancer warlords vying for supremacy and digging for resources (corpses)Black's ambition run rampant, complemented by red's freedom from restraint and blue's cold logic. None of white's order or green's life to balance it out.
>>96646049Never seen this one desu so that’s on me
>>96645808>>96645767They've also decided to stop using Shaman as much, with Sorcerer now becoming the new signature mage creature type for Red.At least they haven't errata'd all previous Shamans away, and they haven't totally abandoned it since there was a Shaman card in Final Fantasy, but only because it was related to Shamans from FF lore. So presumably from now on we'll probably only see new Shamans in UB properties that have shamans.
>>96646061>I-is it safe to come out now..?>>96646074From what I remember it’s mostly roving gangs of necromancer warlords. Basically like any shit hole IRL.
>>96646052For me it's Drew Tucker. I feel like a spree killer painted this
>>96646082A bigger concern than sample size is sampling methods. I have never once been invited to a survey for MTG despite playing since I was 10, being registered in the old DCI system, having accounts on all their platforms, and being signed up to newsletters.
>>96646166To be honest, it didn't really make sense for Shamans to be so widespread. Like all those Strixhaven students who were Shamans despite clearly not being spiritual leaders of any sort.
You know what would be an actually good UB set that makes sense? A Phantom Dust UB set.
>>96646184In MTG Wizards and Shamans formed a dichotomy; Wizards were formal magic users who studied, while Shamans were intuitive wild magic users. Clerics and Druids formed another dichotomy; Clerics gained magic power through faith in a deity or religion, Druids gained magic power through connection to the land and mana itself.With Shamans on their way out it seems like Druids are gonna get promoted to "wild magic user"The root of the problem is applying real world grievances to their MTG counterparts. It's almost as dumb as turbobanning Cleanse because black people exist (Yes they actually did this and that is their reason why)
>>96646244i want Silent Hill/Bloodborne UB.
>>96646244If I have to ask what it is, it’s not mainstream popular enough to be made into a UB set. You have to remember the whole point of these sets is to appeal to the mass media consumer. Literal army recruiter tactics.>Hey kids, don’t you wanna try joining Magic? We have Avatar and Marvel!
>>96646251>It's almost as dumb as turbobanning Cleanse because black people exist (Yes they actually did this and that is their reason why)Specifically, it's the "ethnic cleansing" implications.
>>96646263I understand this perfectly. It is all marketing campaign that canibalises the game.
>>96646255Would Konami be willing to license their IP to WotC considering how they own Yu-Gi-Oh!, one of MtG's biggest competitors?Bloodborne is possible, but I think Resident Evil is even more likely.
>>96646251No the real reason was it was a performative gesture after an artist called out WotC's poor treatment of artists, citing Invoke Prejudice as an example of how they used to bend over backwards for artists even if the reasons were terrible, and now refuse to do the bare minimum.
>I have no face and I must scream.How does this thing see?
>>96646297>Assuming a magical entity perceives the world as we doNGMI
There better be fucked up weird little guys like Stream Hopper in the new lorwyn
People would be mad if Lorwyn Eclipse didn't have any generic tribal cards in the set itself, right? As in, all the tribal synergies are specific to each Loywyn species and the closest thing to generic tribal support in the set are all the changelings.
>>96646109Quite different beasts, anon. Forgetful Fish is more akin to a song using several samples rather than a compilation album.
>>96646290The funniest part was that guy immediately started ballwashing WOTC again when they did these bans because the cultural climate at the time meant people celebrated any change a company made as a “victory,” short-sightedly sowing the seeds of their own destruction.
>>96646332lolyou'll get disney elves/faeries/kithkin/etc and you will enjoy it
>>96646297Magic anon.Magic.
>>96646339They already confirmed that at least the main 5 creature types in the command cycle will get plenty of tribal support as a draft theme. Others like Giants and Treefolk might get one or two tribal support cards, most likely commanders.
>>96646360I choose to remain hopeful until the whole set is spoiled.
>>96646405I'm talking about cards like this. People would be mad if they only made cards that mentioned "faerie creatures" and "elemental spells" with nothing outside the 5 main creature types focused on, right?
>>96646263Nicher stuff CAN still have a shot if it has big crossover audience stuff (like 40k is probably as niche as you'd get for it, it's not niche in the gaming sphere but it is niche-ish to the wider world). The nichest we COULD get would be Cosmere stuff just because Brandon Sanderson is specifically a big Magic guy.
Enough of this Command talk, We want to talk about real Magic, DEEP SPAAAAACE NEIN>>96646460>>96646460>>96646460>>96646460>>96646460
>>96646132The muses, Phage, All the good old slivers, that crazy bird tribal guy that bounces shit when you tap birds. That's about it. Yeah it's pretty bad but I wouldn't say it's the worst of that era. I think that title goes to Nemesis
>>96646244I'm patiently waiting for Elder Scrolls since they did fallout. It fits very well. Though I would still give up all the franchises they released I enjoy if it removes this blight from the game entirely.
>>96646479Lol, Jannie bump locked the new thread because Rosewater, lmao even
>>96642662its not even the same eternal you blind retard
