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>>96662525>Which Primarch needs to come back next?None. Lion needs to execute Guilliman and fuck off into the warp.
Let Chaos models take this thread!
>>96662525>TQDorn, they should make him more Black Templar-esque, like taking his Imperial Fists and starts going on crusades to conquer and reconquer territory for the Imperium.
>>96662547Dorn's dead retard
>>96662547bro, Dorn's dead...
Posting models to get the thread startedPost models, wips, games, ect
>>96662525>Which Primarch needs to come back next?Russ is confirmed, it got leaked last thread
>>96662525>page 5
>>96662525throoder>>96662538vtumorpicrel
>>96662553>>96662557They only ever recovered his hand, never the full body.Also Dorn supposedly "died" on a CSM controlled spaceship, if Dorn really died there then Chaos would've been parading his dead corpse around for the few last thousand years.
>>96662564previous thread was unsalvageable, it's honestly a good call
>>96662525I think it's time for GW to drop the big Number 2 on the setting.
>>96662559Reposting, planning to do marooooons colour scheme.Also if anyone has any unorthodox retaliation cadre tactics I'd be keen to hear.
>>96662570>thinking this thread will fare any better
>>96662577>the big Number 2But anon they already released Mortarion
I recieved Hernkyn Yaegirs kill team as a gift and i like it looks. Tell me is league of vottan fun army to play/collect i like dwarfs in media but i dont want to try to hop into faction that play like asss or its rly bad.
>>96662579this is the least surprising tau play background ever.Also just run lots of stealth suits, they're really annoying with their rerolls 1's trhing
>>96662577Sigmar isn’t even present in Aos yet, why should he pop up in 40K?
>>96662570>previous thread was unsalvageable because of me, it's honestly a good call on my part to start another and make the same shitposts all over again
>>96662567i'll accept that no body no death is a trop, but until he's back he's ded
Ok gays hear me out>oompa loompa votann
>>96662559
>>96662630Only if their Votann is Willy
>>96662630The Getty watermark makes the thumbnail look as if the one on the right has a blurred out erection
>>96662579What are you sipping on, anon?Or is that paint water?
>>96662646Just a bit of goon, trying to save money for my next project and for my holiday to bali
>>96662559My recently finished sisters>>96662657>Anon is straight up gooning while postingshaking my big ass head
>>96662588they are fun to play, tough and they lean into shooting with a lot of transport play but with some strong melee like berserks and steeljacks. they have good rules at the moment so you don't have to worry that you're buying into a bottom tier army atm if you go for them
>>96662657>marons supporter>goon drinker>vtuber rat poster>bali goerI don't even knwo what to make of you, your clearly some sort of a human failure but your doing something right in life.
>>96662672It's an australian, i dont know what else you expected
>>96662630I hear you out.I'm waiting for elaboration
>>96662559I'll take a better picture tomorrow
Guys, are Drukhari or Emperor's Children more fun to play as/against?Trying to decide on second army and want something fast to be different from my first. Currently only have Deathguard and a knight and a few Nurgle demons.
I like some of the new Raptors.
>>96662705Are they actually new or just an upgrade sprue? Some of the legs look the same as the existing kit.
>>96662602Money.
>>96662705Was about to call you a slur until the image loaded. Phew.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wrrt241d/warhammer-40000-tactica-the-movement-phase/Sit down kiddies, GW is going to teach you how play the game properly
>>96662705>Oh look, it's the jobber celestine
>>96662672Let's just talk about hobby and no one gets glassed
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/mpjsrjxr/two-new-dk-warhammer-books-are-available-now-and-a-third-is-coming-very-soon/
>>96662786I'm having deja vu. Wasn't this published months ago?
>>96662787But this time it comes with TITUS!
>>96662787>Featuring: Lieutenant Titus from the Space Marine series
>>96662799My favorite Primaris Lieutenant of the Ultramarines Chapter's 2nd Company.
>>96662787cool book that will be outdated like two months after release
>>96662726>blatantly wrong rules classico
Should GW change the line of sight rules in the next edition?Big models getting blasted (and vice versa) because a tiny part of a wing is peeking from behind a wall is just silly.Or are the current ones just a necessary lesser evil?
What's your opinion on black eldar?
>>96662810Which one did they get wrong? Moving through engagement range with non-flying infantry??
>>96662786>Deathwing terminator libbyCome to think of it I don't recall 'Eavy Metal ever painting up a model like that for their Deathwing showcases. They really ought to.
>>96662787>featuring Dante from Devil May Cry series>>96662802kek
>>96662786Ooh yeah I got to have THIS on the coffee table
Game needs more tzaangors.
>>96662818>Boy I sure care about famous quotes from fictional characters
>>96662818Based. BTW isn't it annoying when we get a great new space marine release and faggots start making aeldari and tzaangor posts? Like read the room.
>>96662559last game I playedWas supposed to play last weekend but got sick
>>96662820This but unironically
>>96662787>Featuring Dante
>>96662815that and also the >As examples, you can move around the flank of an enemy unit to get more models onto an objective when you charge, or wrap around a vehicle to prevent the units inside disembarking. You also don’t need line of sight to charge, so you can move your unit behind line of sight-blocking terrain to prevent the enemy using the Fire Overwatch Stratagem.Note, however, that overwatch can be fired at the end of a charge, so this tactic won’t work against monsters, vehicles and units with Pistols.despite pic related showing you cannot
>>96662705I just miss when they had cooler helmets and weren't so gribbly. All the jagged trim and teeth on the jump pack is lame.
>>96662834If your opponent asked if he could take a plasma pistol shot from the tank since he modeled a tank commander with one would you allow it?
>>96662705>>96662839
>>96662838You can't expect GW writers to have read all 300+ pages of 2 dozen FAQ/rules clarification documents
>>96662841NTA but that needs to cut both ways. If we agree to do that in all cases then sure.
>>96662838So basically units with pistols can overwatch from combat at the end if a charge but not vehicles or monsters
>>96662726>berserkers hiding behind a wall before they chargePlaying WE wrong.
For me it's female custodes
>>96662850>>/aco/
>>96662850stroke that tiny peeker of yours before posting in this thread
>>96662849niggas at the local be like: yeah i got LoS bro
>>96662846No because Pistol ability says it works only in the controlling player's turn, and since its your opponent's turn you cannot fire it at engagement.
>>96662860So true
>>96662828>the galaxy of the 41st millennium is beset by warthere is not a single iconic thing about this franchise they wont rewrite to be shittier
>>96662860Well said, my friend.
>>96662872Right of course.Can you overwatch with a different unit at the end of a charge then? Like unit A charges Unit B, Unit C (on B's side) couldn't see A at the start of the charge but can at the end?
>TQ>KhanGW will never do it, but they should hard push White Scars as a faction. Make a full campaign book against Dark Eldar or Eldar.
>>96662903Khan should be brought back only to be killed for shock value in the same campaign book.
>>96662903Bikes as their main gimmick is just such a hard sell to try to push a mini faction for space marines with though. It's like trying to sell Dark Angels if they were only the Ravenwing and nothing else.
>>96662911Especially when there's only one bike unit and it's terrible both in rules and as a kit.
>>96662911weird niche chapters are fine, actually.
>>96662903white scar anon you will forever be a cursed monkey paw chapter like us iron hands and ravenguard
>>96662559Working on my Blooded kill team for the last week. I wanted to try slopchop since this is just supposed to be a quick project to get my feet wet trying a new game. Kinda like but it really did feel weird not doing layering on fabric.
god i hate elves
>>96662860I have 100% received tyrannofex shots with that bullshit before.
>>96662902>Can you overwatch with a different unit at the end of a charge then?No because Fire Overwatch can happen only when the enemy declares a charge, not when they end it unlike in the movement. You wouldn't be able to shoot them anyway as the enemy unit is now in your engagement range.
god I love elves
>>96662903I often think about how cool it would be if the Scars and their successors descended on Commoroagh to rescue the Khan, only for him to end up being a broken, tortured and bitter husk.-
>>96662903Khan should be returned only as chair on Vect's pimpyacht
>>96662860Sure you've got LoS, but I'm cheating an extra 1" on my charge
>>96662903>>96662994>>96662995Khan would make more money than every xenos release in 10th combined. You can cope however you'd like, but if you're going to do it stupidly then please do so in private.
>>96663001Speaking of cope i hope if he gets a model it has a mounted and unmounted option.
>>96662559Had a small game with two buddies last night, my chaos Marines got absolutely cooked by necron immortals and lychguard but they did their job and let the tyranids mop up the other half of the board. We did great for the first three turns and scored max secondaries everytime while forcing necrons off of every objective but their home one (took 40 cultists and 10 legionaries to do it though). Great time and ignore the baby bottle, I had an infant strapped to me for half the game.
>>96663005Sorry anon, only MESBG gets that sort of perk.
>>96663016which detachment do you use for your alpha memes?
Featuring Captain Titus from the Space Marine series
>>96663026Deceptors like a true retard, huge gamble of if I go first I get all the objectives or if I go second you get to kill 60 models in one turn (I went second this time)
>>96663016Looks hella fun, I just played a game with my Crons last night too.
>>96662577They already dropped the big number 2 on the game. It's called 10th edition!
>>96663001You should contact the stakeholders then, because gw is harming everyone by making 2 dark eldar archons instead of releasing a primarch.
>>96662787this is pretty cool desu i'll think it'll get a bunch of kids interested in warhammer
>>96662559Reposting meganobz
>>96663046this but unironically
>>96662903Camping book? GW doesn’t do those outside of Crusade anymore
>>96663055>>96663046>me omw to Nottingham to politely request the return of my Khan
>>96663058Campaign* fuck you phone
>>96662525>Which Primarch needs to come back next?I dunno, ask /hhg/
>>96662841Only if he agrees that it only takes one damage to kill the tank, since the commander is sticking out
Dark Eldar refresh is coming. I can feel it.
New Christmas box leaked.It's called Pactbound ZealotsContents are belowNo InfantryNo BikesNo Daemon Engines1x Angron1x Magnus1x Mortarion1x Fulgrim
>>96663088Made me laugh
>Orks can make anything real or any machine work or any idea true if they believe hard enough collectively!!Is there any other bits of lore/nu-lore that's been parrotted so many times on reddit that it's kind of been warped? Like a game of telephone? Things that have been misinterpreted or taken literally when they were probably meant to be literal.
>>96663088>1x FulgrimWaste of money, unplayable model
>>96663093everything about space marines and chaos
They won’t do it but clone Fulgrim is the next primarch to come back because Fulgrim is the catty bitch that 40k needs right now
My hobby table right now, working on 1k points of Tau for a doubles tournament later this month
>>96662820I'd be keen, they're what got me into tsons
>>96663110nobody cares
>>96663113LMAO NPC!
Can’t decide what to do as my first army coming back into 40k, CSM or WE. I like both, the WE play style of “DURRRRR FORWARD” appeals to me, but I can be a lot more creative with CSM in terms of /mydudes/. The major question is are WE dependent on taking Angron? Cuz i’d rather not!
>>96663113>tauslopper is backoh no
>>96663139Top WE lists arent taking angron right now
>>96663113Neat, what do you plan on running?
>>96663142post your models
>>96663148Probably Mont'ka. Ret cadre doesnt seem that good if I'm stuck at 1k. Crisis battlesuits are too squishy, it really benefits ghostkeels and riptides but I'm only bringing one of each of those. And ret cadre's strategems sucks ass
>>96662860What you do is you just say to your opponent "we agree those guys are behind the wall right? cant be shot?" if he agree he agrees and you move on. Just make sure you agree, thats how the game is supposed to be played.
>>96663113Cool rip
>>96663113i really need to sort my shit out
>>96663093Tau opening a Dreadnought and being horrified to find a Marine older than their species.The fanon interpretation is the simple "Hurr durr Tau r lame Marines r kewl" idea.The actual point was that the Tau leader was horrified to find that the Imperium sticks their oldest and most venerable warriors into what's essentially a torture box on legs, and that even defeated and immobilized the Marine was still trying to attack the Tau even while crippled. The Tau leader considers this to be one of the most abhorrently awful fates a warrior can end up with, which turns ironic when a Titan blasts him and his troops position (which also killed dozens of Imperial Guard as collateral), and the Tau leader was crippled; to which the Earth Caste built an experimental battlesuit with life support systems to keep him alive and let him continue leading.
>>96662860They definitely have los according to the rules. 10ths rules for los are really fucking stupidIn fact so many of 10th rules are really fucking stupid
>>96663154Jesus Christ you are annoying
>>96663184Post models
>kits geting fewer and fewer build options every release>entirely new datasheet for a different weapon on your tank/mech suit/space marine>everything is monopose>units and entire fucking factions getting nixxed >$60 codexes getting released a few months before a whole new edition>bottomless tanks>nu-lore>firstborn manlet genocide>xenos fags flipping a coin to see if their 20-year refresh is gonna be absolute shit or fine>best case scenario for xenos fags is a new character with an inferior sculpt and a new battleline kit with fewer build options>half baked factions like Votann, Ynnari, WE and EC with 6 actual datasheets (you only viable option is spamming their 1 broken datasheet)>godawful combat patrols that are just dumping old unsold stock>pay a subsctiption fee for the chance to BUY a single miniature every year! (the russians or chinese will ship it to you for a quarter of the price)>supply line issues even after covid-19>price of the plastic going up faster than inflation every year>sloptubers feasting over the entire mess like flies over shit on an Indian sidewalk (looking at you Squidmar and Arch)>things only getting worse with GW's desperately trying to go mainstream right now>$35 for a single fucking character>rules are shit and everything is horribly overpricedWhy is this the most popular wargame again? it seems the list of bad things is much much longer than the good things. We really need a viable competitor to light a fire under GW's ass or for prooonting to get so cheap and easy that they're forced to act.
>>96663173Ah, bloodletters anon, hello! I see you have a inquisitor draxus there, very nice. I didnt realize you were the black custodians guy. Love your models as always, and I have the same spraybooth off amazon.
>>96663190>xenofag is buttmad for being called outTop lel
>>96663147Ok good… can they take knights? Like however the system works in 10th to take chaos knights, IK CSM do, and I think a centerpiece model that’s my own guy would be better than Angron. I did hear knights (both flavors) are busted at my LGS so maybe this is a bad idea but maybe it’s not who knows what the future has in store. A Khornate Dreadblade or something
>>96663191>Why is this the most popular wargame again? founder effect
>>96663191Yeah I'm not reading all that. I'm happy for you though, or sorry that happened
>>96663200Waiting for models
>>96663201Having one knight isn't annoying to play against, people hate knights when the entire army they're facing is nothing but a giant stat check.
>>96663211May be you meantWaiting and melting NPC
>>96662560thats LITERALLY the fucking tank retard
>>96663113These fucking suck
>>96663222>>96663228a bit too obvious, anonwhy are you latching onto a random modelposter again? did you run out of estrogen pills?
>>96663191Counterpoints because it seemed you put some effort into your post.>eldar refresh was fantastic>votann wave 2 was fantastic>tons of people aren't buying codex at this point and showing up to tournaments with their rules/datasheets edited into nice pdfs with prints in binders>bottomless tank got an upgrade that puts a bottom inExplanations>gets getting fewer options/monoposeThis matters less than you think to most people in the hobby, as the majority just follow the instructions on the box and the people who go more advanced than that tend to go WAY more advanced and get into actual kitbashing which usually involves having a ton of other kits to pull from anyway. Sad but true. Hate it or not modern GW sculpts are industry leading and fantastic. I can pick out kits I despise from nuGW, but just as many I adore and for the average less picky hobbyists its just good across the board.>nu-loreThey like it>firstborn genocideThey like it.>godawful combat patrols>supply line issues>price going up>$35-40 USD for a single character>recasters existListen, people in this hobby have money. They do, it's NOT a hobby for poorfags. The reason GW keeps upping the price is because every time they do their sales stay ROCKSTEADY. That means demand is way higher than the price. They are going to keep going up until it actually harms their product. Right now its just filtering the average GW product purchaser, so clearly its priced right. My condolences if you are under 25, australian or eastern european, disabled so cant have good income etc>rules are shitThat is a HUGE debate but short answer is more people like the game today than did at the height of 8th (saved the game), the abyss of 7th (almost killed the game, lotr bailed GW out) and certainly ORDERS OF MAGNITUDE higher than 2E-5E.
I wish chaos had a skaven equivalent in 40k. Chaos needs more humor
>>96663225>he missed the joke>newfag didnt see the fake lotd + ferrus mannus leaks
>>96663241People get jealous when they see someone actuality having painted models
>>96663245admech covers the serious scary side of radweapons and orks have a silly humorous side
>>96663259Orks aren’t chaos and are lighthearted. Skaven are evil just also funny and incompetent
>>96663250Nobody cares about your jokes.
>>96663259Not really. The entirety of the Admech are a satire of religion but most 40k fans are too stupid to realize that machine spirits don't exist, except for the occasional AI.
>>96663214Gotcha, thanks!
>>96663245Space marines can't be funny.
>>96663271Is this bait or retardation
>>96663191>We really need a viable competitor to light a fire under GW's assthey've been trying for decades but it turns out no one agrees on what that should look like and create incredibly niche products in the attempt (like trench crusade)
>>96663191>firstborn genocideThey undid a lot of that. Nobody that had a model has died crossing the rubicon, all the important gene-flaws and character traits came back, and even the tactical squad is coming back (according to the leaks). They retconned/'clarified' the Dark Angels accepting greyshields into the inner circle, the red thirst came back for BA, and a lot of the new sprues are mixed mark. It's just The manlet-lanklet brother war is over.
>>96663271
Hello frens' was bored amso I decided to make the flag of my country for my Klan
>>96663253>People get jealous when they see someone actuality collecting trashNo, not really
>>96663286>They undid a lot of that. >Nobody that had a model has died crossing the rubiconYou already contradicted yourself on your very first point lmao
>>96663284If you think admech aren't aping religion then you're a retarded little faggot
>>96663271machine spirits are real. Maybe that was the intent at some point but not anymore.
>>96663197Inquisitor Draxus is just cracked with a unit of custodian guard, her shooting alone deletes units of terminators and her not-quite lone operative ability forces your opponent to get close if they want to take her out. bald women don't do it for me so she's getting an SoB head instead>I have the same spraybooth off amazon.kek i think it's the default spraybooth for most hobbyists. same with that one air compressor sold under a hundred different names. i replaced the fan in mine with an adjustable one that i can make an absolute screamer when i'm airbrushing enamels and pretty quiet when i'm painting at night
>>96663289Sorry for phonepostin’
>>96663296Not that bit, the machine spirits
>>96663271the setting is more complex than thatsometimes machines do in fact have souls, even if most of the times it's just religious nonsenseit's how 40k can be both humorous/satirical and veering into existential horror from one page to the next IF handled by a competent writer.
>>96663297It’s left ambiguous most of the time however since belief makes things real due to the warp they probably exist now
>>96663301>the setting is more complex than thatNope
>>96663271This is only partially true, because machine spirits DO exist sometimes and also there are so many radical to orthodox techpriest characters that there isnt really a well defined canon of what a machine spirit really is in lore. You might get a techpriest who says your pocket knife has a machine spirit because it has a latch that keeps it locked open when you use it. Then you might get one that only considers machines that have human brains in them to have machine spirits or something, or thinks machine spirits only exist on machines that computers and its just the normal expression of code. Or you get one that thinks of it in purely logical terms, where machine spirit is just word you use for mechanisms and its just language draped in dogma. We haven't been given the actual admech canon from mars, so we really only have a rough idea of these things.
>>96663284Retards: "wow cool robots!"Flying over their head: the obnoxiously obvious religious satire
>>96663308Please follow the reply chain before posting.
>>96663191>Why is this the most popular wargame again?Because for people like us.
>>96663295I know you're a dumb fuck but literally every single character that would have gotten a new model if there was a refresh crossing the rubicon without any difficulty is the biggest point in favor of it not mattering. They introduced the idea that it was dangerous ans then dropped it like it was hot. Fag
>>96663299Nice freehand, even if done with an airbrush.
>>96663301>the setting is more complex that thanNo, 40k is hilariously shallow, just because there's a thousand (badly) written books secondaries like you think it's deep. Machine spirits don't exist. Occasionally there's an AI or other form of lesser intelligence that makes it look like they do
>>96663304Do you know that swords can develop souls in 40k? I'm not talking about possessed equipment, I'm talking about a normal slab of otherwise inanimate metal.
>>96663319The Votann has a presence in the warp. Belief makes things real because every being with a soul has some level of psychic power. The veneration of machine spirits would make them real even if they weren’t before
>>96663286This is the truth but I can't shitpost about it for 6 years straight on 4chang so I am going to delete memory of this post from my brain.
>>96663323They really can'tMedia literacy, what is it?
>>96663317Haha, it’s done with simple dollar store brush, but I take that as a compliment, I wish I had an airbrush tho
>>96663297autistic people ruin good lore by taking everything literally
>>96663323Don't know don't care.Existance of the batrangs doesn't make Batman comics any different from the rest capeshit
>>96663242>This matters less than you think to most people in the hobby, as the majority just follow the instructions on the box and the people who go more advanced than that tend to go WAY more advanced and get into actual kitbashing which usually involves having a ton of other kits to pull from anyway. Sad but true. Hate it or not modern GW sculpts are industry leading and fantastic. I can pick out kits I despise from nuGW, but just as many I adore and for the average less picky hobbyists its just good across the board.The actual saddest thing is these limp-wristed boomers who think they were "getting creative" by "kitbashing" during the 3rd-4th-5th Adult Lego Space Marines era.Your shit looked like 1980's Star Wars action figures. Arms pumpin' up and down like a masturbating swastika. Purity seal and censer and holster and grenade cack glued to available every surface, with no visible means of affixing it there ("it's mag-locked bro!").These sad bitches mistake the time they spent and the fun they had with actual creativity or conversion work. But they were spoonfed Lego blocks. It was a distinct era, and it had it's good elements, but yearning for literally worse and uglier models just so you can fill the interminable lonely hours of your life with stolen valour "creativity" is toxic.
>>96663329Nice! Thats really good blending then, such that I thought it was an airbrush.
>>96663319Hey now sometimes the engine doesnt work right until you appease the machine spirit (hit it). In a way the machine spirits are fake like you say but also a cargo cult approach to knowing how to make peices of tech work using non-standard techniques.Also what about the comic about the sentient bolter that fakes you out making the reader think its the space marine narrating, but hes dead and its his gun
>>96663317Here is the other side btw
>>96663319I didn't say deep, I said complex, there's a difference.
>>96663330What do you mean the Imperium is dogmatic to their detriment and are a repressive, decaying regime? All the Imperium characters in my Black Livrary books say otherwise so it cant be true!
>>96663242>the abyss of 4th (almost killed the game, lotr made GW lose a lot of money)FTFY
Land raiders have had machine spirits for about as long as they have existedAre people genuinely retarded
>>96663339Thank you anon, it’s my first time doing that
>>96663347Not in 40k's case, what i said still applies
>>96663316>firstborn didn't get wiped out!>btw every named character is a primaris and firstlets no longer exist!You are so dumb it hurts.
>>96663354It is usually left ambiguous but yeah it's obvious that machine spirits are real. Whether you think they're AI or magic tech ghosts
>>96663353thank you kind anon im kind of drunk>>96663362nta, like I said before it can be both depending on the story.
my boiler has a machine spirit because I have to use a few tricks to convince it to get started during the warmer months when it sits idle for too long. she feels neglected.
>>96663362Theyre not magic tech ghosts. A tech priest explained machine spirits to a Leagues Brokyr and got laughed at so badly the whole Imperium delegation ragequit back to their ship
>>96663344I gotta get some more of the old boyz kit before the refresh
My head canon is that the machine spirit thing was a psyop created by the emperor to use collective psychic power to control AI and prevent another rebellion like with the men of iron. Now all AIs become warp spirits that are appeased by whatever people thinks appeases them
>>96663375I will to and I'll buy a bulk of Nobz and meganobz
>>96663373The Leagues of Votann are naive when it comes to anything involving the warp. They likely don't even realize their Votann have begun to glow in the warp. Even the Grimnyrs are not true psykers
>>96663330I know the inept retards behind BL like pretending that 'everything is unreliable' but when you write POV fiction from a literal hunk of inanimate metals the reader is forced to draw the conclusion that maybe machine spirits are real and all that "oh I'm so fucking clever" satire is just the wistful dreams authors banished to the of mediocre genre-fiction mines.
>>96663360>Not in 40k's caseYes, specifically because there are a thousand (badly) written books each adding their bit here and there the result is complex, as in literally, made of multiple components.It's never as simple as saying "X is never true" or "Everything is actually just Y" and this includes souls in machines or tools, or even rocks.You can pretend that your headcanon is better, but you can't pretend it's the canon.
I just realized, Vect has become the most powerful being in 40k>No model, therefore he can't be killed>Is a significant part of his Codex, giving him plot armor>Can kill /your dudes/ as per the Crusade rules, with no way to counter him
>>96663382>meganobzIf the kit wasn't $70 for 3 dudes I'd have a lot more meganobz
>>96662841>If your opponent asked if he could take a plasma pistol shot from the tank since he modeled a tank commander with one would you allow it?yeah because he's my mate and it'd be fun
>>96663242>>votann wave 2 was fantasticmeh. Robot Thinkerman was cool I guess, but the WoW gnomes were shit and the warjackoffs are just such a confusing choice to me from both a design and mechanical standpoint.
>>96663388>many words means complex!If you're a illiterate retard, maybe
>>96663392I bought them all second hand, but here in Europe it's 40 €
If the Necrons learned that the Admech had someone given machines souls do you think they would try to enslave some of them or team up?
>>96663383The point being the Leagues don't venerate machine spirits and their technology (which is superior to the Imperium's) still works. Because machine spirits dont actually exist.
>>96663408Try again in english this time, juan
There never were any firstborn in 40K
>>96663401>many words means complexI didn't say that either, I said many components means complex, and that's literally true, 40k's canon is made of a multitude of instalments adding their own informations.
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>>96663409That's incoherent and wrong for the reason I already explained. Belief makes things real in 40k. The relatively small number of humans under Tau rule have made the Greater Good into a goddess. If tons of people in the Imperium have believed in machine spirits for thousands of years then machine spirits would exist for that reason alone.
>>96663408Neither because the Necrons, like all the other xenos, know machine spirits don't exist and are just a symptom of the Imperiums religious dogma dealing with technology from humanity's golden age that they now neither understand nor can replicate
>>96663389But on the other side of that coin hes also the most at risk of be squatted and thus getting atomized and removed from the setting. No model means you can just be removed at any time
>>96663409>The point being the Leagues don't venerate machine spiritsThey literally treat them as Kin, and said Kin apparently have souls of some flavor, since they got possessed by Vaushtor
>>96663428This is hilarious because they treat their ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE robots as Kin, which just reinforces my point
>>96663426Necrons are smart enough to understand the warp exists. They would probably be able to grasp something like collective belief making something real. So I could see one having a scheme to get a bunch of human vassals to venerate him as their overlord and gain a soul/warp presence. Alternatively Cawl's captive necron gf could try to use him to gain a soul because it's hot
>>96663425Speaking of which, that Tau goddess is also really fucking stupid and should never have been added.
>>96663444It's not stupid at all, it's actually completely consistent with the setting and lore. Your opinion is bad
>>96663427Vect is truly the pinnacle of the Dark Eldar playstyle then; incredibly powerful and difficult to catch, but if he does get caught he's immediately dead
>>96663408Necrons have encountered machines with souls before, pic related.
>>96663449Its consistent with nu-lore. And something being consistent with lore doesn't mean its actually good or interesting.
HOLY SHID A BOBERhttps://x.com/MeU_317/status/1973593435170017612
>>96663452looks like something from war of the worlds
>>96663428you don't need a soul to get corrupted by chaosyour body or your mind alone can be corrupted all the same, it's just way more satisfying for demons to corrupt souls
>>96663455>Its consistent with nu-loreit's consistent with lore that's been a thing since rogue trader, retard.
>>96663464>your body or your mind alone can be corrupted all the sameAfter eating your soul, yes.
For some reason I want to time loop about femstodes.I thought I was over it, but it’s still there in the back of my mind. Now give me (You)s.
>machine spirits are real because... because they just are, ok!Sorry that you learned about them when you were 12 and took it literally. Is it a shock to hear that the Imperium aren't good guys either?
>>96663480>>machine spirits are real because... because they just are, ok!That's literally how nulore works, I'm afraid. I liked em better when they were just the rantings of a mad technocult too, for what it's worth lil bro.>Is it a shock to hear that the Imperium aren't good guys either?That's literally how nulore works, I'm afraid. I liked em better when they were just the wicked, decaying remnants of a once-glorious empire now doomed to ruin as it screams and thrashes against its fate too, for what it's worth lil bro.
>>96663480Don’t bring up the Imperium good guy debate, last time I remember it happening we had people demanding to be shown where it says the Imperium is the “Cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable”
>>96663480That is how the warp works, yes. Enough people saying something is real means it is.
>>96663490I get your point but it's also naive to pretend that a lot of modern 40k content doesn't portray the imperium as heroic. The Space Marine series, the nobly intentioned son of god being revived to fight against the literal forces of hell....There is a lot of stuff like that. I can see why a lot of oldhammer fans don't like it, but the tone of the setting has been shifting since at least 8th edition.
>>96663480I'm sorry that your personal headcanon is not consistent with how the setting is portrayed anonIt's okay though, no one's taking your headcanon away
>>96663154>ret cadre's strategems sucks assso fucking wrong lolexpensive? yes definitely but no way they "suck ass"
>>96663480the imperium are the good guys tho
Most of the rituals to appease a machine spirit are just superstitious and ritualized maintenance that may have started as a parody of cargo cults and had the benefit of appeasing the fickle AI of some of the more complex machines, but as the setting grew it became earnest and now some machines (including hunks of literal metal) do have machine spirits because of the fucked up retard metaphysics of the warp, introduced late into the setting by a bunch of early internet atheists that thought they were being clever, that grew out of their control over two decades. Too many people get tied up on this shit.
>>96663399nta but I loved the steeljacks but I would also never ever under any circumstances by a xenos model ever.jk I collect Eldar but I thought it was funny
>>96663503Reddit meme. It reveals in the text that she was reaching for a gun to shoot him. There are plenty of examples you can use of space marines being nuts but this one is very reddit
>>96663491Here's the thing about the setting. Something doesn't exist unless the writers explicitly say it does. By the logic of "Well anything can be real if enough people believe it" then there are many things that you could say exist but obviously don't or shouldn't because the setting is extremely curated. Celestine? Explicitly said to be a warp entity. Tauva? Explicitly stated to be a warp entity. Machine spirits? Not explicitly stated to exist as a warp entity.
>>96663496The strange thing to me is that they're constantly dirtying the other races in such a way that the Imperium looks increasingly equal to them even though in old lore the best you could say about the Imperium was that it wasn't Chaos
>>96663499Lmao ret cadre strategems are fucking terrible lil sis, the only good one is the 6 inch deepstrike.
>>96663250shitass joke faggot
>>96663496you are confusing individual characters with the Imperium as a faction. easy mistake to make.
>>96662525>Crossover Edition
>>96663507>I loved the steeljacksI think they look cool, but I just have to wonder why? Votann already have a bunch of heavy infantry and they just make me wish the entire Votann army was Men of Iron without any of the half-baked dorfwankery attached.>I would also never ever under any circumstances by a xenos model ever.I like how Votann are Schroedinger's XenoImpfags want to insist they're xenosXenofags want to insist they're humansNo one wants to claim the lil stunty faggots in their own camp.
friendly reminder that 8% of elves summon 25% of chaos gods
>>96663529Well. I have Eldar, Deldar Harlequins and the only reason I didnt get some of those steeljacks is its just frankly too many armies for me too collect along with my imperial stuff. I absolutely claim them as Xenos, and thats how the gamerules works as well. The GW website has them listed under xenos and all the anti alien rules function versus them.
>>96662525Were always complaining about how bad gw’s rules are. Why do we not recommend games that aren’t by gw where we can still use our 40k minis?Rather than reverting back to previous editions?
>>96663541The last time people tried that it was OPR and OPR sucks ass.
>>96663541Because everytime we go in that direction some mouthbreather recommends OPR which has even less interesting rules
>>96663527If most of what people see is the imperium fighting hell as the good guys then they are going to see it as the good guys. That is the tone of what is being produced. Random lore blurbs or the opening of a book calling it the bloodiest regime imaginable isn't gonna change that.
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>>96663542>>96663544Kek
>>96663549They literally just released 3 full animated movies about the Imperium being evil called The Tithe this year dumbass.
>>96663541Because you either get “group” projects where all the people have a different version of the game they like and it falls apart. Or you get One Page Rules where everything is so bland ruleswise and all their models are such knockoffs I’m surprised they just don’t link to one of the Chang re-casters.
>>96663552I miss the old psyker builds from before the class rework. Getting warp charges on head pop was so satisfying.
>>96663556The Imperium of Man are objectively the good guys in the setting, only an idiot would argue the opposite.
>>96663556>one is about space marines fighting necrons, who are evil space terminators>another is about collecting pyskers so they don't go insane and summon demons>another is about a world being attacked by orgsIntense, intense cope
>>96663549This has been a problem since 40k books were first printed. People have always been too stupid to see satire even when its slapping them in the face. Just look at all the people in this thread that got triggered when someone said admech are satirizing religion and machine spirits arent real
I'm honestly kind of surprised GW hasn't done old edition re-releases to try to milk nostalgic playersCould do a limited run of the old codices (at a revolting upcharge) to boot
>>96663564Nah that's the Tau
>>96663541>>96663542>>96663544>>96663557Someone on /awg/ asked something similar and one of the responses was Xenos Rampant. But it is miniature agnostic so it might it's own can of worms that would open up.
>>96663564Guess I'm an idiot then, goyim.
>>96663569They did for RT, and they got me with it
>>96663567I don't view it as a problem necessarily, but there has actually been a pretty big tonal shift. Maybe it was them trying to ape Marvel. Maybe it was audience capture and the popularity of Space Marines. Whatever the case, it definitely happened.
Another face attempt
>>96663566certificate of no media literacy
>>96663420>warhammer40k-no-no.gifThat's from warhammer fantasy though
>>96663564
>>96663588No, I actually have media literacy and am able to identify things like tone regardless of what the authors say in opening blurbs or what the setting was "intended" to be. I have no particular opinion about whether the directional shift is good or bad because none of the people involved are real. It is still obviously happening
>>96663567It's not even the satire, almost every single well regarded book about the Imperium involves a good, heroic figure getting fucked over by the Imperium's inefficiency, corruption, and dogmatic bullshit in some way but somehow nobody gets the fact that 'man the Imperium fucking sucks and chews good, honest people to ribbons for pointless bullshit by the billions' despite it being right in their face
>>96663582Eyes, mouth and nose all look good, nice job. If you're feeling fancy you could add a hint of purple into the shadows for some visual interest.
>>96663590its from vermintide
>>96663599Thank you, will try that.
>>96663595so when the commissar commits suicide instead of carrying out his duties as a commissar because they were too evil for him to fulfill, how did that make you feel?
>>96663582Noticeable improvement, good hustle
>>96663594Yea times are hard but there are still lessons being learned and progress being made. The ultimate goal is the destruction of Evil/Heresy and it always will be. Hard time create strong men!
>>96663604Maybe you're misunderstanding me, I'm not saying there is no dark stuff in any content involving the imperium, I'm saying that is definitely the central tone of imperium related content. One of the episodes in Tithes is literally about hunting for an insane space terminator that does bizarre experiments on humans and other races. I don't know why people are so offended by this. It makes more sense to think it's bad and should have stayed like it was in oldhammer
>>96663582>Two...weeks...
>unironic discussion if imperium is le good or le badgod I wish secondaries and tertiaries would just fucking leave
>>96663470nah, also beforea sorcerer doesn't need to convince you of anything to corrupt you into a spawn
>>96662538
>>96663598Practically everyone gets it, and you blathering on for an hour over how smart you are for being able to put 2 and 2 together is insufferable.
how the fuck is the emperor not considered a chaos god for humans ? shit like celestine is straight up warp daemon status
>>96663634Sorry, next time I'll just post xeno porn.
>96663634Not even worth a (you)
>>96663636A lot of fans consider him one. Celestine is straight up a daemon of the warp.
>>96663616I understand your point. I think Space Marine content specifically tends to whitewash the marine experience and show them as unironic good guys. But both Sakan and Titus would kill 1000 unarmed children in an instant if ordered to do so by someone of sufficient power. Even in Pariah Nexus we explicitly see guardsmen executing the tired, scared children Sakan worked so hard to save. And there are obviously marines who are way less good and heroic than them, like the Minotaurs for example. But we also get shown the Imperium committing pointless genocide on the regular. Whenever the Imperium encounters a new alien empire, no matter how diplomatic and friendly, they immediately move to genocide. They are no different from the orks in that sense. They invaded the Tau, a small empire that was open to trade and negotiation. They have exterminated countless alien species to the point its just referred to in fluff as beyond counting. They brutally exterminate their own people. What about the tithe episode where the Custodian orders the marines to break their blood oath to defend their world because they are going to exterminatus the planet and kill the trillions living there? Is that a good guy action? Especially when lore has already established that it doesn't really work? The Imperium are not good guys, they are at best slightly less totally black then all the other ultraviolence that occurs.
>>96663645She's more like a Daemon Prince. She doesn't despawn when the warp is suppressed, she just loses her juice and gets sick.
>>96663636He's a god but not a god of chaos. The eldar gods weren't chaos gods either.
>>96663628The game is stuck with retards internally and externally (fans and authors) who want the setting to be exactly what they want it to be.
>>96663636Presentation and relations with other warp entities.Everything warp is lowercase chaos, but only the 4 are uppercase Chaos, with a few runners up for another spot, and even then if you weren't playing their same great game you wouldn't be a Chaos god, you would be a god forming another kind of pantheon.And there's the thing with how for now there's never been a true Chaos god that was previously a mortal being, and the emperor is not only a mortal but he's also technically still clinging to life.If the emperor was pushed to become/spawn the dark king, then that would undoubtedly become a proper Chaos god joining the Chaos pantheon.
>>96663653But how many trillions have they saved by exterminating bad aliens and evil heretical demons. The Imperium is far and away a plus for the Universe.
>>96663538We need to pump those numbers up. Those are rookie numbers.
>>96663653To be honest I don't even think exterminatus is necessarily beyond the pale given the sort of shit they deal with in 40k. Is it good that it has to be happen sometimes? Definitely not, but I don't view it as purely evil or insane because it actually can stop threats even if it doesn't always work. The better examples to use are the more pointless cruelty and silliness like servitors. Extreme military measures have never seemed evil per se.
>>96663514>move shoot move>fucking terrible>"lil sis"yeah noopinion fucking discarded
>>96663323Man, mutilators are way cooler than obliterators but they were fucked up by inheriting their same retarded sculpts.
>>96663659I thought he kept saying over and over he isnt a god and hadn't experienced apotheosis yet>not chaosthe countless trillions of ppl hes had killed would disagree desu....
>>96663668Yea like Hiroshima was bad I get it but it was also necessary to stop further bloodshed
>>96663662Humans are literally a plague on the galaxy worse than any of the other aliens except maybe the necrons.
>>96663673He was obviously an insanely powerful psyker in 30k, the most powerful psyker ever in fact, but he wasn't really god. He is definitely a god now. You don't burn Nurgle and scar all his daemons without being a god
>>96663671Wow a whole one (1) more strategem that is useful, you sure showed me
Are the Tau the least impactful faction to the setting? Like if they were deleted from all lore who would even notice? Not being cheeky cause I do like there look.
>>96663675
>>96663675>but it was also necessary not really, the gooks had already essentially lost by theneverything about how without the bombs they would have dragged the war to the bitter end is just american propaganda to defend their crime against humanity
>>96663680How often did you get bullied in school?
>>96663683>>96663673He's a god of order and humanity. The golden light he generates is literally anathema to chaos now and burns it. Mortarion describes it as "cold light." That's not saying he's necessarily good, but he's not a chaos deity.
>>96663686They're a victim of 40k being mostly a setting rather than a continuous story. Farsight has been stuck at the line drawn during the war with the Imperium for how long now?
>>96663675Hiroshima was not necessary, we got locked in by FDR wanting unconditional surrender. We had intercepted communications that the Japanese were willing to surrender if we spared the Emperor, which we literally did anyway, before deciding to drop the bomb.But ya in 40k exterminatus sometimes makes more sense. Vraks would have been a worthwhile candidate in hindsight.
>>96663426Necrons have their own machine spirits, known as autonomous spirits, that run their ships and even entire tomb worlds. The entire plot of the story Severed is a tombworld spirit going mad and enslaving the entire population, turning them into oldcrons
>>96663686that's most xeno races minus orks
>>96663686No, that would be Dark EldarThey're just barely above some of the more minor xeno factions like the Khrave or the Q'uorl
>>96663692Remember we were also warning the rest of our enemies, it had a dual purpose and vaporizing the Japanese was essential.
>>96663662
>>96663702Who the fuck were we warning, the Soviet Union who immediately made their own bombs? The war in Europe was over
>>96663692Russia invading Mongolia neutralized the war termination plans Japan had, but the bombs were what let the emperor save face afterward; and regardless, if Japan hadn't surrendered the US would have kept bombing. Nukes didn't add anything special.Until the invention of thermonuclear fusion weapons, fission nukes were basically carpet bombing with different logistics.
>>96663703I get it but this just sounds like modern day Brazil, it aint that bad man.
What models do you guys like to use / kitbash for chaos spawn? Ignoring the actual kit of course, I already built those.
>>96663686it depends on what you consider the setting or the extent of a faction, take votann for example, they're the latest addition but they're inserted as the men of stone, would you consider the setting untouched by their removal because it would be the same as it was a few years ago? or would you consider the setting fundamentally altered because humans wouldn't have had the men of stone and thus the men of iron?because in the former case, if a faction can be removed from the 41st millennium without necessarily removing the setting's history, then you could remove essentially all factions except the ones making the imperium, because the setting at the end of the day is the imperium and it stands as a wargame setting even just with its own infighting, everyone else is enemy factions for it, even chaos marines.
>>96663711It was generational mental trauma on everyone outside of the US warning them that we got the big stick and we also have the balls to use it indiscriminately
>>96663724i am planning on using wilderfiends for AoS as proxies for my EC chaos spawn. problem is the wilderfiend is a 60mm base whereas chaos spawn are 50mm bases, so i am going to just have to cope that my chaos spawn proxies might get shot a little more. worth it imo considering how fucking ancient the spawn models are.
>>96663703I feel like I can imagine crueler and bloodier regimes.
>>96663666oh yeah, I'm pumping
>>96663735That sure backfired quickly considering the us was the only nation that developed a fear of a cold war turning hot on them.
>>96663711Yes, warning Stalin was one of the major reasons. Stalin could have kept marching into Europe, and the tired old men who had just managed a world war didn't want to go down that route.
>>96663753Yea but that was the government using fear to control its own pop, we new Russia was a flake
>>96663724I know a guy who uses Accursed Cultists as spawns. The larger ones can act as spawns on 50mm bases, he said he'll merge the smaller ones together to make more. I've yet to see it for myself however.
>>96663724Ogryn berserkers
>>96663711It took them 4 years to make their first atomic bomb, so there was a period where it DID serve as something of a deterrent, there were quite a few voices arguing that we should drop some on Moscow and Stalingrad to knock them down before they could become a major threat during that window
>>96663745Re-imagine 40k at the planetary level after reading a book about Soviet gulags. Karak Norn Clansman wrote a dozen short stories along those lines.
>>96663659the eldar gods are clearly aspects/alternate manifestations of the chaos gods
>>96663761Do you think he still jerks off in private?
>>96663703>cruellest regime imaginable>yeah of course we'll cover your sex op!Get real!
>>96663724It will be a sad day when that sprue is replaced with something that doesn't offer half as much modelling freedom
>>96663780Why are you so obsessed with trannies, decalnigger? Stay in /pol/, you fucking parasite
>>96663777If it's two beings in one body does it count as sex or masturbation
>>96663759No, that's zoomer revisionism based on the assumption the US knew how the microchips tech tree worked out. In the 1980s-1990s the USSR was over, in the 1960s the first seeds of its demise were sown, but in the 1950s it really was an unstoppable horde. That was when tank rushes were the meta. Tac nukes were the West's desperate cope in a pre-smartbomb world.Post-WW2 Allied generals wrote a lot of desperate letters back home along the lines of 'I have 10 divisions to garrison Germany. Stalin has 600. What the fuck do you expect me to do if he wants it?"
>>96663793Thats not me you scumbag, stop name associating me with everything negative.
>>96663780Wow it's just like real life
>>96663686That'd be Craftworld Eldar. Literally zero actual contributions to the setting.
>>96663780It's a tradition. They not only sterilize boys, they roid them up, stuff artificial organs inside, and more to create enforcers for the state.
>>96663714>Necromunda prime example of how horrible the Imperium is>random latino from LATAM>"Ah Necromunda is like home but safer"
>>96663777don't think too hard about what they do with the corpses they create
>>96663792the kit itself sucks for the price and age whats good is the data sheet being usable for people who just want to do their own thingsometimes every aspect of chaos not having specific detail to it explained can be a great thing for creativity but thats only because so many of the armies are half
>>96663780archtards literally incapable of not thinking about trans for 1 second lmao
>>96663798Why was Patton so convinced that we could and should destroy them after ww2 tho?
>>96663821The kit is way too expensive, but damn do you get a lot of great bits with it
>>96663828Because Patton is the American version of Rommel. A propaganda hero who had some talent but was also a retard
>>96663701Do Khrave or Qorl besiege over 450 Imperium worlds a year?
>>96663828Great wartime leaders are not always great peacetime leaders
>>96663828When Patton was alive, we still had the whole WW2 army deployed right there, plus a window of a few years before Stalin could build nukes. After those few years, 95% of the Allied army was civilians at home.
>>96663780>They hated him because he spoke the truth
>>96663828NTA but he was a dumbfuck propaganda tool. Unthinkable was named so because it was straight up not feasible.
>>96663191>xenos fags flipping a coin to see if their 20-year refresh is gonna be absolute shit or fineLiteral only issue across all Xenos were NuBoyz. Every other release and refresh for every Xeno faction was fantastic
>>96663853>When Patton was alive, we still had the whole WW2 army deployed right there, plus a window of a few years before Stalin could build nukes.I doubt it'd be enough. The USSR was deployed all over that much land. The US didn't have infinite nukes nor the ability to make infinite nukes and even if they had dozens of Hiroshima and Nagasaki explosions, Japan is way smaller than the USSR geographically. it doesn't help that propaganda at the time depicted Russians as buddies and I bet troops were tired and wanted back home too. It'd be hard telling them to march onward against what propaganda said was an ally too.
>>96663780You are now manually aware of rando hive planet #12,342 where the inbred 400yo governor of hive city #8 mandated a thousand-person harem of surgically created femboys. Voila.
>>96663867It would have been quite unpopular, but militarily, it was possible, and the best opportunity the west would ever get at it. A few years later, that opportunity was permanently foreclosed and the balance of military power in Europe tipped to the USSR for the next 15-20 years.
>>96663877What Hitler right about the USSR but wrong about everything else?
didn't know we had so many actual ww2 and military history experts here lmao, kill yourselves
>>96663877I would expect a mutiny before a successful attempt.
>>96663457Bobr kurwa!
>>96663880Anon doesn't see a connection between a board on tabletop wargames, in a game with many WWII and history inspired IG regiments, and its posters having knowledge of WWII history?
>>96663880We’re in a “War”hammer thread discussing War, its on topic and relevant. I mean it’s literally in the name of the general ffs.
>>96663879IDK, I'm not familiar with WW2 era Germany. My only WW2 interest is the Pacific.
>collect thousand sons and necrons>think about buying the neurolictor as a stress-relief project to work on during the college semester>realize most of why I'm thinking about it is to have thigh-highs neurolictor as a meme display pieceHow do you guys make yourselves continue buying for the armies you've started?
>>96663880>WWII had a bunch of fascists >40k is about a decaying, dogmatic fascist empireIts quite fitting
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/fiqetk3h/starting-a-drukhari-army-in-warhammer-40000-everything-you-need-to-know-from-painting-to-lore/New Article for Drukhari and some cool art
>>96663828because if the west used the bomb to defeat russia then the west would rule the entire world uncontested.anyway - back on topic?
>>96663880no cunt asskill *YOURSELF*
>>96663828>>96663837Patton called a hit on brief window where his assumption was correct based on information he had at the time, he did not understand the scale of lend lease or have accurate information on the absolutely insane state of the soviet military and industry at the time. Patton and Rommel were both excellent commanders whose reputations are deserved, but they weren't commanding their entire armies for a reason.
>>96663896Overshadowed by Terminators, who cares
>>96663610Thanks anon. Painting them separately was definitely the way to go.
>>96663880on the nazi website, in the hobby notorious for attracting nazis, that grew out of reenacting historical wars, at this time, in this place?
>>96663896>Starting a Drukhari armyI don't think so, Tim
>>96663915Tell me about this rapeable website.
>>96663895>decayingThey can't even commit to that bit. Maybe getting split up or reduced in size but since 2018 it had a series of major reforms.
>>96663880history channel used to only show this stuff
Could wheels fit at the bottom of a dreadnaught?
>>96663922The maledictum is supposed to be fucked, at least that's what GW keeps saying, then in novels set specifically in the maledictum its like nothings changed.40k has just always been a joke of a setting. The people who take it seriously are hilariously retarded
How big is a craftworld? How hard would it be to destroy one?
>>96663896Is this architecture hostile due to eldar hobos or something?
>>96663948Not big enough for Guilliman. It would be easy to impregnate all of them. https://files.catbox.moe/6i2mka.jpg
>>96663948between a very big island and a relatively tiny moon, generally as big as a small continent.they've been destroyed before, it's not impossible.
>>96663948The size of a planet
>>96663951https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AafmmHlSm-Ucomfy
>>96663896>There is only one way for the Drukhari to replace this lost essence: they must bask time and again in the most extreme emotions. Unbearable agony, boundless sorrow, naked terrorI still don't see why a dark eldar wouldn't be able to replenish from similarly extreme positive emotions, beyond the fact inflicting pain is easier
>>96663948>How hard would it be to destroy one?Very easy. In Path of the Eldar the largest Craftworld, Alaitoc, is nearly destroyed by a single Naval Fleet and a small force of a minor Marine chapter.
>>96663951I want to believe the spikes are anti-gravity anchors for the structures.
>>96663981Because 40k is a rule of cool grimdark, exaggerated universe, not a logical one.
>>96663987There are no minor space marine chapters.
The vast majority of currently living Eldar are Dark Eldar. They are also descended from the actual civilization. The craftworlds and exodites are weird cults that represent a statistically irrelevant population Eldar = Dark Eldar, the true representation of the elf soul
>>96663896>that article.Is GW going to do this for every Warhammer 40k faction?>>96663981>that picI was not ready for these feelings of nostalgia.
>>96663987God, Eldar fans must be the most sad people on earth to like a faction that never wins and gets showed up in their own books like this.
>>96663582Damn she fine.Bridge-tip of nose needs to be *slightly* lighter. Looks really good anon.
>>96664011the Dark Eldar get to win sometimes because they are the true Eldar
>>96663925Could BIGGER LEGS fit?
The satire of the Imperium is a little undercut by the other half of the worldbuilding being masculine and often bald giga-soldiers doing heroic last stands and exuding raw pathos at any opportunity given to them. This argument exists solely between guys who bought space marines because of cool art (or now something like Titus or some edit on tick tock of a marine blowing some guy's dome off) that get mad when their cool guy is implied to be bad and people who really want to justify their toy collecting hobby as an intellectual pursuit. Nobody else cares.
>>96664029Just play Tau at this point
>>96664011Even better; Alaitoc only survived by literally begging the Marines for mercy and saying the Eldar weren't worth the ammo it would take to wipe them out.
>>96664032Mucho texto
>>96664029Wow that is ugly and also I had to check if that long-ass plasma weapon is real and it is, damn THAT looks ridiculous on its own too
>>96664038God I wish that were me.
>>96664046They look like twin-linked dicks
>>96664038Not the first time
>>96664057The books actually predate that comic, anon.
>Attrition warfare doesn’t work against Orks because what doesn’t kill them makes them stronger, and what does kill them makes more Orks>Attrition warfare doesn’t work against daemons because there’s infinite daemons>Attrition warfare doesn’t work against Tau because they’ll just bomb your supply lines and blow up your troops without you ever having a chance to fire back>Attrition warfare doesn’t work against Necrons because they just respawn after deathWho the fuck are these living memes actually good against.
>>96664065Your understanding of 40k is a meme.
>>96664065Cultists who base hit on 5s in the shooting phase.
>>96664032100% real and true, but theres also nothing wrong with nerds waffling about it on a basket weaving anime website
>>96664065Like most IG regiments; minor uprisings and unarmed civilians.
>>9666406599% of imperial conflict is shitstomping non compliant peasant worlds or unnamed offscreen xenos who get blammed against impossible odds. at least until 42k.
>>96664038Based, fuck alaitoc
>>96664065Most importantly it doesn't work against Nids. There is no such thing as a pyrrhic victory against them. You can only completely lose or completely win. If they win, they will devour their dead and your forces anyway and then quickly both regain strength and improve at this same time
>>96664065Votann,Tyranids, Chaos space marines,Eldar,Renegades and Heretics
>>96664083>votannHah their technology is superior to the Imperium, like the Tau
>>96664083It sure as fuck doesn’t work against Tyranids. They eat their dead and your dead, attrition warfare literally feeds them. Eldar…maybe. It would have to be something that they were forced into a fight for though, like protecting an exodite world.
Do 40k secondaries understand that the dark age of technology wasn't actually a dark age but is called as such by the Imperium who considers the technology heretical and can't replicate most of it now anyway? I saw the butthurt over someone pointing out the admech are satire
>>96664096It worked on Baal.
>>96664065The IG have always been pretty decent on the tabletop, even when leaning into them being a horde army.
>>96664106Dude we get it, you didn't know the fluff changed and machine spirits are real now. That development doesn't make Admech any less of a satire of cargo cults. So you can shut the fuck up now.
>>96664120Lol. Lmao even.
>>96664128I remembered 9th pretty much as soon as I sent it
>>96664096Tyranids have to be beaten in the void. There are records of entire splinter fleets starving out while crossing interstellar distances. You’ve kinda already lost if they’re planetside most of the time.>>96664119That’s because daemons and plot armour. They were still going to win until most of their fleet got scattered by plot device
>>96664119On Baal they had almost 30,000 Space Marines doing the lion’s share of the heavy lifting.
>>96664126Oh, so secondaries dont. Thanks for clarifying.
how do you retards not realize EVERY faction has plot armor? every single one. its all about making people look cool so you go buy models. like fuck, I like 40k but 40k is a less coherent and serious setting than disney's star wars.
omg slay?
>>96664007GW has said time and again that Craftworlds are the majority of living eLearning the current era.
>>96664171What kind of plot armor do the dying Eldar have?
>>96664148I get it, the retcon with the chaos entities being self-fulfilling pissed me off. It sucks when they diminish their own setting by changing something they didn't need to, but that's the fluff now and you have to live with it. Not worth getting worked up about it.
>>96664171Sure
So the Imperium loses all of its Space Marines, Sisters of Battle, and any Titan larger than a Scout Titan.But in return the entire Imperial Guard is given Tempestus Scion levels of training and equipment, they’re all motorized, mechanized, or given air transport, and each Imperial Guard regiment gets half a dozen Dreadnoughts to act in support (don’t question how that occurs without Space Marines).Is the Imperium more or less screwed than it was before?
>>96664178They majority of Asuryani are Craftworlders, not Aeldari. To use the TM terms. The majority of Aeldari are Drukhari.>>96664184When GW wants them to looks cool (usually only in short stories and codex blurbs because they are mostly used to make marines look cool) magical foresight, every warrior has centuries of experience, the strongest psykers in the setting (on average, obviously space marine OCs like Mephisto are better), the ability to reincarnate their greatest heroes over and over, instantly teleporting all over using the webway. Just because in most stories they aren't the protagonist doesn't change the fact every story more or less is glazing one or two factions in particular.Eldar and Votann just get it the least because Xenos get less stories in general because they make less profitable protagonists and are worse as ads. Space Marines are the ultimate ads, so they get hte most books.
>>96664171trvth nvke
>>96664202Pretty much the same considering Marines fight in a minority of Imperial conflicts total. In fact they might get better because 99% of their fighting force just got a SIGNFICANT upgrade in effficacy.
>>96664198Could you ever do that with template weapons? It sounds like a funny way to use cheap infantry against something like the world eaters.
>>96664171>stop having funYoure the retard here.
>>96663628I never bring up the argument but personally I always argue in favor of imperials = ontologically good specifically to piss off the MUH SATIRE, MUH MEDIA LITERACY crowd and it works every time. I don't care if I'm siding with actual retards, it's worth it to get the midwits frothing at the mouth
>>96664239you're still a faggot for deliberately stirring shit up
>>96662559I think I'll touch up on the under glow of their heads again soon.Also I'm figuring out which part of my telemon I'll paint jade green, which part will be golden, and which part will be pottery orange. I might redo the drawings though, I got better at freehands.
>>96664239>jokes on you I was only pretendingOk retard.
>>96664239
>>96664236Not sure what's exactly fun about thread-long shitflinging about power levels but it might be fun for severely retarded individuals, I wouldn't know.
>>96664239>jokes on them I'm just pretending to be retarded
>>96664265I'm sure they're having fun but it ranks up there in arguments about satire or decalfag in how obnoxious it turns the thread for everyone else.
>>96664239It's literally okay to bullshit about things you like. Liking things is cool and based.
>>96664265Dunning-Kruger in action, everybody.
>>96664273Does it really? Anons having an actual discussion about 40k is the same as decalmutant having a literal temper tantrum and calling everyone a tranny? You can literally model and hobby post alongside it with no problems.
>>96664279Anon, its called the Dumbing-Kroger effect
>>96664279you shouldn't use phrases you don't understand, anon
>>96664284They're not having actual discussion they're just arguing back and forth calling each other stupid.
>>96664202I’m not too brushed up on IG lore, but from my understanding Scions are at a level that they send them on missions Space Marines normally take when there’s no Space Marines around. Making the entire IG at that level would make them quite overpowered.
>>96663630Yeah cuz he yoinked your fuckin soul ya doink
>>96664245>>96664258>>96664271Case and point lmao. They can't stand learning they got mentally outpaced by someone wearing training weights.
>>96664184The fact that a faction as weak as the Eldar can even continue to exist is plot armor in and of itself.
>>96663951I assume its a stylistic choice, the same way the Imperium makes everything giant cathedrals even if impractical. Even us as humans in modern times make some crazy architecture. Imagine you wanted your buildings to intentionally breed despair and hopelessness? I'm sure it's partly culture and art and partly an expression of cultural values. Just like real architecture.
>>96663181>Revealing yourself as a nogames like this
Why is DG so much better as a range than all the other major chaos marine factions? I would think at least TS would be close since it's older.
>>96664373Edition villains + Studio favorite
>>96664278NTA but it's also okay to like things that are in-universe morally bad or villains. I love orks but I'm not going to make an honest appeal for why they're morally righteous nor would I want them to be whitewashed into WoW dindu orks to appeal to retards who don't like them as villainous heels because they can't separate fiction from reality. I might make the case for their morality as a thought exercise or to bullshit around but I'd never want orks to start getting moralized or treated as "the good guys" in-universe.
>>96664373creative bankruptcy
>>96663191>Why is this the most popular wargame again? It used to be good and sunk cost fallacy
>>96664273This anon is trying to name associate me with everything aweful in the threads. Please recognize this and ignore him and his slander
>>96664383Based post and certified media literate
>>96664412>certified media literateWhy do you insult me so?
>>96664421I'm a cheeky cvnt. I did agree with you though.
>>96664430Yeah I know, was just havin' a bit o' cheeky banter right back.
>>96664443I made this 5 years ago and I'm glad it's still in use lmao
the finish line of assembling my army is in sight /40kg/ frens. give me strength to finish strong .....
>>96664254dat shit cray
>>96664254I refuse to believe someone with an ability to do such detailed freehands would willingly opt for that fugly green+gold scheme, those must be transfers or something
>>96664496Looking great!What order are you going to do your sisters up as?
New Abaddon lore dropped from the new DK source book.Abaddon is not a servant of Chaos and also he is racist against Primarchs and humans viewing space marines as the ultimate form of humanity
>>96664528Orders are for orders militant of the ecclesiarchy. Those are space marines. They have chapters, not orders. Are you stupid?
>>96664522(you) tried, but not very hard
>>96664534>abaddon is not a servant of the chaos godsHoly cope lol
>>96664528i havent decided just yet anon. i have them on the back burner (heh) completely until my ultras are 100% battle ready
>>96664534None of this is new.
>>96664546Name one time Abaddon called the Chaos Gods his masters or bowed before them as Horus did.You can't.
>>96664534>Abaddon is not a servant of Chaos
>>96664553Him being racist against humans is new.
>>96664534>Is a human injected with Primarch juice>Thinks humans and Primarchs are both worthlessThere is some serious self-loathing issues there
>>96664534 I don't know if the HH books changed it but the crux of the heresy was just a Satanesque "we are better than humanity and deserve to rule over them" rebellion type deal.
>>96664534
>>96664558Space Marines are transhuman. Their human weaknesses are stripped from them, and then they are perfected.Primarchs are humanity amplified. All of humanity's weaknesses are compounded in them, which is why it was so easy for the Chaos Gods to enslave them.
>>96664534>Were Abaddon ever to choose one, that power would surely dominate the others in the WarpThis is pretty embarrassing to read.
>>96664395>arguments about...decalfagThe arguments about you, which you admittedly exacerbate by defending yourself though I think that's understandable, not you per se.
>>96664587>they are perfected.10,000 years after the fact. By some random techpriest.
>>96664590It's word-for-word what ADB said about Abaddon nearly a decade ago. And people still insist on disbelieving him.
>>96664254Jade and gold is a kino scheme, is that really freehand on the dread or transfers? If its freehand you are incredibly talented. I would worry the gold looks a bity brassy which kind of makes the jade feel less jade and more brass corrosion. Maybe make the highlights a bit brighter? Jade I've seen IRL tends to have light and dark areas. Either way very nice work. I love the amphorae aesthetic on the dread.
>>96664537I am aware! Ultra anon spoke about doing sisters after the marines though.>>96664547Understandable.
>>96664534>>96664554>>96664556>>96664608Fuck off /u/shaskais
>>96664608Gav has also been insisting Khaine is half-Khorne, half-Slaanesh since 2e and nobody listens to him.
>>96664655Since it never received official confirmation.Much of what ADB said in past years has become hard canon.
>>96664572Kek
>>96664662>>96664640
>>96664597Oh ok, my bad.
>>96664662Only because he's in charge of deciding what's hard canon. When he's gone, everything he said will be as if it didn't exist at all and the next chief faggot in charge will inject their head canon into the setting.
I was right to buy this game, it's on sale right now on steam. For those of you 40k lads who like /v/idya and pay for your games.
Dudes be like “I spent 500 trillion dollars producing a single Custodes”My brother in Christ they will still die to a railgun to the face
>>96664665>>96664572Abaddon doesn't have a single Chaos mutation on him, though.In the Fall of Cadia novel, he removes his armor, which is something unheard of for a Chaos marine of his age and power.
>>96664685>>96664640
Are Construct-only CWE armies any fun? I'm quite tempted to buy and build one, feels like a relatively cheap and easy project and space elf robots look sexy as fuck.
>>96663286>firstborn genocide isn't happeninghow many firstborn kits have been deleted?
>Imperium= Khorne >Deldar=slaanesh>Tau=tzeentch but without psykers?>Crons=nurgle but without disease?
>>96664694Would also like to know this. Wraiths are pretty much the full extent of my interest in the CWE line.
*sip*
>>96664694Corsairs/pirate constructs would be really cool
>>96664685>you can't be a champion of chaos and not be all fucked up
>>96664724I have comments to make that would make a nightlord blush
>>96664694Eldar are at a crushingly unplayable 59% winrate, i wouldn't bother till they get buffs
>>96664724That's a lot of croissants for two people.
>>96664732>>96664685There a literal regular human under nurgle who plays the role of an angular fish and tricks people into going into falling to nurgle by just being a regular looking dude.
>>96664745When you burn 8000 calories a day working out and flogging each other you gotta eat a lot of bred to stay conscious.
>>96664732Oh Sigvald is fucked up in the head alright.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXrKZiN98MA
>>96664732Look at his recent AoS model and then come back.
>>96664766>age of shitmar
Fun fact, if the Imperium lost a planet every day it would still take over 2,700 years to wipe them out.
>>96663981They should be able to, but it's edgelord grimdark so they've never tried.Also "agony" is not an emotion.
I had a dream last night that I ran a batrep channel that was specifically for this thread.Anons would come to a warehouse that I owned to play a match. They would have to clearly identify who they are.
>>96664771Has better models than 40k
>>96664786I would never, EVER, reveal my identity to you faggots
>>96664239> I lie to get smarter people than me to scold meYou should be paying to have that fetish satisfied, instead of stealing it from people.
>>96663286>2025, I am forgotten
>>96664795What if we met somewhere off grid and we never gave each other our names or told anyone what we did while off grid.
>>96664814Maybe If I knew beforehand which exact modelposters would be there, most of them feel like chill dudes.
>>96664786I would reveal who i was to play some games but it would also reveal that im 5 of the model posters here.
>>96664790That Shitvald is not one of them
>>96664331>Case and point lmao.The expression is "case in point," pretendlet.You seem to think you're the penultimate badass... but you're just apart of the machine after all.
>>96664790Sometimes AoS models (not the one in your post) just have TOO much going on. Like the aos team doesn't know how to let anything breathe it's like they're trying to compensate for something by adding more and more needless detail to their models
>>96664790>overly detailed, over sized scale creep, about 8 pieces would shatter off if it fell off the table every time i see AOS i have to wonder how any one actually transports a full list when every model is desperate to be a 9 inch tall centrepiece
>>96664819What if I'm there
>>96664823Nah, people are recognizable by their skill level, the way they take pictures etc. I don't think you could pretend to be 2 different people, let alone 5.
>>96664834>paintlet gorilla
>>96664835Sorry anon, you haven't been posting these Tau models for very long so I don't have an opinion yet. Did you post here before with a different army?
>>96664835That's not you
>>96664838And yet i never called out for it, curious
>>96664828This is why their system isnt as popular. New painters probably feel like shit being unable to paint all that detail.
>>96664852Make an assessment
>>96664851the thing its literally covered in tiny hooksit yearns for the floor
Im gonna start taking pictures of my minis at various places with various backgrounds so people can't tell who I am
>>96664834I have more issues with my 40K army than my Aos army desu
>>96664771Age of basedmar more like
>>96664875Just find a not shit forum to discuss 40k. Use this shit hole for shitposting like God intended.
>started painting some tau in the OG ochre colorwow.....so this is it...kino sovl.......
>>96664861Right now my assessment would be I don't know enough to decide so I wouldn't want to meet you
>>96664875You'll need to start using random filenames too
>>96664875Why would you bother? It's not like anyones is going to find out where you live based on your furniture or something
>>96664795>>96664823In the dream, you would wear a mask but you would hold up one of your models and have to clearly state that you're "The Guy Who [x]".
>>96664890Everything about tau is so fucking ugly even despite the fact that they’re so clean. I can at least like the concept of the kroot but beyond that the army is such a fucking eye sore.
>the whole Dark Eldar range is completely sold out online>Retailers confirmed that the Drukhari Realspace Raid was the lowest quantity battle box GW has ever producedFull refresh or total squatting? Call it.
>>96664900Fag
>>96664899Oh. That could work, yeah
New lore from the DK book just dropped.Roboute doesn't believe that humanity has a future. So what is he fighting for?
>>96664910I dunno, ask /hhg/
>>96664910>40k is a rage against the dying of the light storyNothing new
>>96664910What else is he supposed to do?
>>96664685>touched by Slaanesh and Nurgle>gifts from all the godsOnly ADB cares about ADB's fanfic.
>>96664875just take a picture of them in a shoe box you loon
>>96664919Submit to a race that has a future? Submit to the Greater Good?
>>96664910>New loreIsn't this what the 10th trailer was basically about?
>>96664922The Black Legion supplement says that Abaddon is unscathed by the power of Chaos.
>>96664807>smarter people than melol lmao
>>96664937Yeah, but not what the codices and novels featuring him say.So which is it?
>>96664949The people in charge don't care, so why should you?
>>96664930How great are her goods?
>>96664949Guilliman says the same in codexes and novels.But online hysterical faggots do not watch or read actual 40k stuff anymore.It's all a circlejerk of retards reacting to each others shitposting, divorced from reality
>still couldn't decide on a chapter to paint
>>96664786That basically sounds like the failing Guerilla Miniatures Games guy.He rented a unit in an industrial park to film his shit and seems to invite strangers/random applicants to play games there when he needs them for content.The Tabletop Tactics crew are also industrial park dwellers, but both their park and their studio seem newer and nicer than GMG's greyed-out fart-soaked midlife crisis Greater Toronto Area vibe.
>>96664903Squatting, folded into the Eldar codex, and forgotten
>>96664949>So which is it?Years of frustrating failure as the leader of the Imperium has made him slip back into depression? Or he never stopped being like this and acting like Humanity has a future is just an act he puts on for others as Regent.
>>96664967just go your favorite color then look them up
>>96664910The primarchs are a bunch of bitter little kids who went along with the first abusive father figure to enter their lives, are we really surprised they don’t have a long term plan?
>>96664809If he is not in the codex in 11th I will shit myself and hurl it at a GW store employee minding his own business
>>96664970This is always missing the line thats right aftet this that says he doesnt actually feel that way but go off king
>>96664967>Pick favorite color >Add in cool things from sci-fi/fantasy and history you like There, /yourdudes/
>>96664958trvke
>>96664966Not really. He says in Dark Imperium and Dawn of Fire series, he wants humanity to regain its past glories not just survive.In the new Space Marine codex he wants to remodel the Imperium to mimic the restored Ultramar, a realm of reason, progression, and science. His closest thing to giving up was him saying maybe it would have been better if humanity died with Horus but in the next line it's said that he doesn't believe that.
>>96664978>>96664986Black and Red is nice and classic, so Flesh Tearers. I like purple too so Dark Krakens maybe?
>>96664967I hate seeing these because sometimes I'll see a chapter with a color scheme that I think would be cool and I remember that my marines have embossed shoulder pads so I couldn't strip to redo anyway.
>>96664993if we assume guilliman is an actual person he probably does go through fits where he thinks its hopeless, but is then reinspired when people keep bitching at him to send reinforcements
>>96664993I don’t think any place in the Imperium can actually be called a place of reason, progression, or science desu. Every time a Primarch conquers a place, they don’t exactly do anything about the existence of hive cities and forge worlds. I mean shit, Ultramar has a life expectancy of like, 30, even if we account for infant mortality that is some utter dogshit levels of children dying.
>>96664910>>96664919Space Marines are Spengler's centurion. They work best that way at least. also lmao at the use of the literary technique of >He did thing because reason, but it's in like with his character. Gully did the same thing in the HH, he called it quits and tried to build his own empire.
>>96664995all i know about flesh tearers is that GW once upon a time liked them so much that they gave them blood angels supplement so i'm guessing they get a little more lore than your typical successor chapter
>>96664995Do you like gorey vampires or Sea monsters more? Dark Krakens are Salamanders based chapter too so do you like master crafted weapons like flamers and hammers?
>>96665023They got squatted this edition because they wrote lore that their Chapter Master didn’t like Primaris. So rather than have him do something, they removed him from the game lol
>>96665013>I mean shit, Ultramar has a life expectancy of like, 30I do not believe you
>>96664981He's not in the 10e codex anon
>>96665013In the Dark Imperium series, he thanks the Ultramarine for preserving Ultramar as a realm of reason, progress, etc.
>>96664828The CoS basic bitch infantry have an insane amount of detail. So many different layers of cloth and metal. Literally no one in our playgroup has a CoS army because painting them would take forever.
>>96665040My bad, I was wrong, it’s actually 35.
>>96665052I've argued about this with /aosg/ and they told me it was fine because "lol just contrast sloppa it". Ok yeah, every army is fine if you want to make it look like dogshit I guess.
>>96665033No they didn't, Flesh Tearers are in the new Deathwatch Kill Team
>>96665044Ya but it seems unreasonable to not give them an edition to fix it before doing something radical.
>>96664967>Raptors>White Scars' successorsYeah, the whole chart can be discarded at this point.
>>96664910Not all of them have hope but they still resist.
>>96665033>So rather than have him do something, they removed him from the game lolYeah because he was a failcast. A lot of those has to go this edition, not just him.
>>96665064NTA but most of the resin characters are likely being held onto for a rainy day, filler releases yet to come
>>96665052rich coming from a game that has thousand sons and admech>>96665057You probably got told that because you were intentionally obnoxious about painting details so they gave you the contrast sloppa method to shut you up
>>96665071The Marines they wanted to update format keep their finecast until their models got released. Like that’s the reason why Cato was in the codex
>>96665071the modern "old fan" doesn't know what failcast was clearly
>>96664903Rumors say refresh
>>96665071Vulkan He'stan was failcast too and he's still in.>>96665074Sounds extremely optimistic but I won't poopoo (is that how you spell it, is it some fucking French bullshit or something?) the idea.
>>96665078Got to keep*
why didn't they just call one of them "Steel Warriors" or "Titanium Hands" while the other kept Iron in their name
>>96665049Then the Primarchs have some utterly shit ideas is what that entails.
>>96665088Because Hestan got a new plastic model dipshit. If they weren't planning to do that he definitely wouldn't have been in the codex
Finally getting to painting some dorfs in storage after the recent codex release renewed my interest.Playing overtuned DG was nice after 2 dogshit editions but now it's time to play something new.
>>96665102Ymyr, nice
>got more lead on the wayI can't help it, they're just too cool not to pick up when I see them
i nuln oiled my model but i feel like it turned out pretty shit, did i not put enough on? i dont get it
>>96665144I see nothing in the recesses. Also even if it pools correctly, washes look like shit until you go back and reapply the base coat in places that aren't recesses
>>96665144Layer color back on top the wash. Use specific washes for different colors or to achieve different effects.
>>96665033People said he was meant to be the straw-man of players stuck in the past but they literally did the thing he said would make the new blood angels marines 'real' Blood Angels. I'm giving it until 11th. I think if those rumors are real about a refresh of tactical squads and a dev command squad they'll reign us back to status quo and just brush it under the rug and he'll get a new model. Hopefully not a primaris, it would be nice to have some firstborn characters that don't cross the rubicon.
>>96664522Its not that bad anon, the camera dulled the colors, and I'm not happy with Citadel golds. Jade and gold, if done well, is a killer jewelry combo.>>96664635Yes, the gold was painted with Citadel paints before I discovered Vallejo's old gold, which would fit much more with green. I might repaint the gold, but goddamn its annoying painting the lightning. As for the lighter shade of green, unfortunately there isnt enough flat surface on Custodes minis for me to do the jade patterns.And yes, they're freehands. The trick is to use micron pens and do "dots" like tattoos instead of lines to avoid "scratching". Its not that hard, try it out with .003 micron pens. The Telemon was my 1st try and I was surprised how easy it was.I've been training on pic rel so I think I can do much better on just monochrome freehands now. Its much easier than it looks.
>>96665100Found it.>"In the days of the Great Crusade, the worlds and realms associated with each Legion provided a solid base of operations, and a link to the greater whole of the Imperium. Most were paragons to be aspired to by other worlds, models of good governance and a promise of the peace that would come to compliant worlds. Ultramar was the very best. It was rightfully lauded the length and breadth of the galaxy for its fairness - a just place, were every citizen could live free of harm." Guilliman got up from his chair and unrolled a star map upon the table. He smoothed it gently with his armoured hands, and stared at it a moment. "I have read many histories. I recognise and am grateful that Ultramar has continued in the role I intended since the time of my death. I am proud with all that you have done to maintain the traditions of justice this realm represents in an often cruel galaxy. I am thankful for the preservation of the freedoms enjoyed by its people. Circumscribed by the grim state of affairs we find ourselves in as these admirable characteristics may be, Ultramar still remains an example to every other system in the Imperium."-Plague War
>>96665170After GW is done with Tatical, Devastator, Vanguard Vets, There will be no more firstborn/primaris. Technically he could be primaris and you still wouldn't know it.
>>96665155Not him but I always just put the wash in the recesses manually. It took a while to get right but it looks cleaner.
>>96665197Thats called a pin wash and that's how I prefer to do it too. An oil based wash works great for that
>>96665197At that point you could just try to layer your shadows with regular paitns instead for an even better result
>>96665170Primaris functionally just means rescaled, he won't be manlet scaled if he gets a new model
Crusade is such a shitpost of a game modeWhat do you mean that my Succubus can attach to Incubi? Why can I give a character with anti-infantry and reroll hits/wounds access to devs lmao
>>96665227Because crusade is supposed to be fun, not balanced?I mean, you're right, crusade is shit but it's not because of this. It's because 10th rules dont create any sort of narrative at all
>>96665196They should just make him a little shorter and have him in an older armor. They should do that for fucking Ezekiel too lol, he's still being sold. Absolute hero.
>>96665101Where's Pedro's model then?
>>96665227Crusade is fucked anyway, everyones running around adding +1atk +1bs to their heaviest guns and alphastrike teleporting hordes 6" away turn 1It's fun though if all players are smart and try to out-bullshit eachother
>>96665227>>96665236Its shit because by your third game you and your opponent have so much bloat attached to your units that no one can remember their shit let alone keep track of their opponent's.
>>96664970>>96664984How did it go from this (picture related) to this >>96664910
>>96664888like what
>>96665278Not tracking your stuff is your fault and if your friend is responsible for his stuff. But if your friend is cheating in a narrative game, if that is your concern, then that's actually just really sad
>>96664888every other place I've ever tried was even worse
>>96665278No one can keep track of their opponents shit regardless, that's why theres so much play by intent and avoiding gotchas
Are Goremongers essential to World Eaters or can I get by without including them in my list? I know they can protect scout moves but I can use those points for a lot of other things, like putting a second forgefiend in my list.
>>96665227>>96665236>>96665272>>96665278It's insane how much better the 9e Crusade rules were. I wish we had Mordheim but for 40k where you can focus on your dudes through the narrative gameplay.>inb4 NucromundaI don't want DLC slop, I want a band of CSM gaining experience and glory.
>>96665196Firstborn can’t wear MKX armor so any marine in that armor is Primaris
looks interesting, has anyone used any colored metallics before?
>>96665334I want to go to the alternate timeline where nu-KT was exactly this and not the mono-unit, fixed-list tourneyslop its been turned into.
>>96665357all metallics are colored
>>96665357I thought that range hadn't dropped yet
>>96665334Shadow War Armageddon
>>96665343>puts firstborn in mkx
>>96665357i've certainly mixed my metals with colors and it works finei'm assuming thats what they did here and they have the BSL system tied to the paintsdefiantly a cool option for people who want to have their marines be metallic but personally i prefer a matte look
>>96665330>a couple dozen clinical retards with chainsaws airdrop onto a random parking lot in Bumfuck, Nowhere>there goes the planetIt should be explicated that World Eaters have blue hedgehog speed and a retard aura that turns everyone within a lightyear radius too stupid to just shoot them.
>>96665357Warpaints Fanatic range is good, they have a color called Tainted Gold that is perfect for black legion.
>>96665374>Clearly a Primaris with a relic helmet
>>96665357It's a neat idea but you can do that already with inks/contrast and layering. I'm also not a big fan of new Vallejo
>>966653349th wasn't much better because 9ths rules also didnt create much of a narrative on the tabletop.
Community cries for balance.Balance requires streamlining and limiting choices.Community cries about lack of options.
>>96665415>Balance requires streamlining and limiting choices.False.
>>96665415TOW is regularly balanced and hasn't streamlined its rules or limited its choices, so you're just wrong AND a faggot retard.
>>96665334That's literally just Necromunda. I'd imagine there's plenty of rules online for running gangs of all the major factions of 40k instead of gangs.
>>96665436This and also the community just balances the game the game themselves with well developed community tournament supplements and points adjustments. Unlike 40k.
>>96665415Forcing people to actually take units of 10 chaos marines to fill out the bulk of their chaos space marine army is a good thing, unless you're choosing to run the cultist detachment. I got so fucking sick and tired of "top lists" running msu cultists and hardly seeing any chaos marines in a list. In that respect 10th has done well in forcing somewhat fluffy lists.
>>96665357idk but i wont be buying any desu. they sent a bunch of boxes to youtubers for free and expect me to pay? where's my free fucking box.
>>96665415>checkers is more balanced than chess
>>96665471The answer is Shadow War: Armageddon. Its literally just KT x Necromunda had a baby and all possible 40k factions have rules from the start.
>>96665357Reaper master series metallics are very good.Turbo Dork metallics are garbage.
>>96664685>Abaddon doesn't have a single Chaos mutation on him, though.He's bald.
>>96665482What? 10th has done awful in that regard. The game needs force org to come back BADLY
>>96665490He's not, he just gathered his hair up in a topknot.
>>96665490Topknot says otherwise.Also, his artwork in the Talon of Horus novel shows him with hair.
>>96665507Agreed. The troop tax is a good thing.
>>96664685>no chaos mutations.We don't know that for sure. We havent seen his dick
>>96665486>>96665371Listen Anon, I love SW:A but there is no need to fool ourselves - it's really limited and hardly any balanced. The game breaks easier than Mordheim and has ten times less content in its core rules.
>>96665508>>96665509Hair squig
>>96665482>I got so fucking sick and tired of "top lists" running msu cultists and hardly seeing any chaos marines in a list.Fucking this, man.I'm also tired of every loyalist marines list being like "don't forget your mandatory infiltrators!"How about no? I'm here to slam Gravis and Terminators down on the board while my regular marines claim the objectives they clear.
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>>96664202It's more screwed.People like to down play marines and how effective they are, but the fact is that one of the few reasons why Imperium at all even survives the 10 000 years is because it has space marines chapters still.Also if this scenario still has chaos marines (only said that the Imperium loses its marines), then Imperium is just open to getting exploited by every chaos marine warband.No matter how good you think the Tempestus Scions are, and no matter if there is a whole ass regiment of them, they still won't hold a candle to large group of space marines. Especially to chaos marines who can just use esoteric warp bullshit and daemon magic.And since they are marines they still retain marine equipment and their tactics. Like good look surviving steel rain with drop pods that are filled with Nurgle's disease buffet that infects and kills everything within a 100 meter radius.
>>96664205Nah a couple codices have said the craftworlds are the most numerous Eldar even though that doesn't make sense
>>96663948Biel Tan took on two fleet and ten chapters and won
>>96664556Not really, I'm pretty sure the HH books established he hated the human bureaucrats lording over marines
