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thinking about making a CYOA about being BETRAYED and TRAPPEDany suggestions for things that I should add?
>>96663346Chains that held you in place but can potentially be used as a magic weapon, while they are in truth a representation of being chained to the past and the betrayal that you can't escape.
>>96663346NTR option that gives you so many points that only people strong of will and morally pure won't pick it.
>>96663363Definitely going to have that as an option, but it should have the requirement of actually being chained up during your imprisonment.
>>96663371>only people strong of will and morally pureWe don't have that here.
>>96663346If you weren't shitposting, you wouldn't leave the setup so ambiguous.
>>96663396/cyoag/ has fallen... billions must die...
>>96663414>billions must dieYou only needed to ask.
>>96663396We have stubbornness and spite though.
>>96663371I mean, it is thematic. I personally really don't like NTR, but maybe I'll add it. Not as a must-take though.Maybe I'll add a "nemesis" character. One that basically takes your place among your former comrades and plays the role that you were meant to. And for an a few additional points he can fuck your girlfriend too I guess.>>96663405The setup is that you have been betrayed by your companions. You get to choose why they betrayed you, the nature and terms of your imprisonment, and various boons to help you escape and exact your revenge. Probably going to leave the setting beyond that narrow slice ambiguous.
>>96663483Alternatively, I could turn it into a generic isekai betrayal thing. But I feel like that's too sloppified even for the premise.
>>96663483It probably won't have that much of an impact on /cyoag/ niggers because people here are pretty smooth-brained social intellect-wise, they're the "Nah, I'd win" kind of guys who'd rather put points in a lot of personal powers and just ignore companions altogether. The only good example of this setup done right is probably jRPG traitor but to accomplish any kind of (potential) emotional impact on the reader the author had to write a metric shitton of stuff: a description of many companions, their reactions to the betrayal, demon lord antagonists with their own loyalty missions etc.
>>96663505>"Nah, I'd win" kind of guys who'd rather put points in a lot of personal powers and just ignore companions altogetherProofs?
>>96663523Look in the mirror.
Post Mushoku Tensei
>>96663526I prefer the power of friendship myself.
>>96663505It is true that it's hard to care much if you don't know anything about the people. But since you're the one getting betrayed rather than the one doing the betraying, I think it's a bit easier to be invested. You can't just kill your friends for power, you're gonna be the one getting fucked over if you want to take the strong options.What I could do is set it up as a standard isekai first, so that I have space to flesh out the characters. Then after you've made your basic selections you hit the betrayal section.
>>96663505> who'd rather put points in a lot of personal powers and just ignore companions altogetherThat's because authors tend to fuck that up.Some common fuckups:* You can spend points on buying a companion in the cyoa, but it looks like you could also befriend or recruit them normally, so buying them within the cyoa is a waste.* Even if you can't recruit them normally, it often looks like you could befriend or recruit a person similar to them normally.* Sometimes the author puts a lot of love into companions, and seems to think their point cost should reflect that. No it shouldn't.* Sometimes the companions are not described in terms of what they can do at all.
>>96662997The problem with Love is that it relies on other people for you to regenerate. What happens if you're in battle? Alone on adventure? Your harem is busy? What if your enemies target and kill your much weaker than you wives? Plus, buying waifus costs you precious points that could be spent on techniques. All together, Love is the single most inconvenient Recovery Disposition in the CYOA, which is why it's the absolute worst one. Notice how the ranking is primarily about how easy and convenient it is to recover your Aura in all situations.
>>96663583The main fuckup is having a unified point pool for companions/items/powers. It reaches absolute peak absurdity in R*ddit's interactive CYOAs where for 10 points you could have a full suit of full plate armor... or be able to teleport at will.
Made in Abyss is actually a lot worse than Mushoku Tensei. There’s a scene where a team of mad scientists cut off a kid’s arm and then put a cum pump on his dick. For science…I don’t know how that shit got green lit. It even got animated.
>>96663505>who'd rather put points in a lot of personal powers and just ignore companions altogetherIf cyoas had more interesting companions I'd be less likely to ignore them, or you can give people some reason to care. Star Dust had people care about them despite them not being extensively developed, because they were the crew of your ship. A lot of cyoas instead are a personal adventure, where you could meet any number of potential companions, and thus people are disinclined to care about the ones on offer, because they could just make friends.Also as far as JRPG traitor, it not only had a lot of different and interesting characters, it also integrated them into the cyoa. Those specific companions mattered, and there was no reason to dump companions for the sake of power. Also mechanically it was more optimal to get more companions, as there were options that granted tokens and companions, and the companions granted tokens. You had reason to care about them in specific, mechanically, in the story, and choosing them was a big part of how you would shape the story.
>>96663592Love works in battle, people just need to cheer for you, other than that, just don't be alone? Waifus also cost EP if you have the god Benign Alterations, which you shouldn't need much.
>>96663505It's my powerfantasy, not theirs.
>>96663597Haha Bondrewd and crew were so silly haha
>>96663483>>96663371NTR is one of the most hated fetishes in this thread, you're not going to make people happy if they see you trying to encourage or force them into it.
>>96663597Torturing kids is a lot worse than molesting them. Yes. The Japanese loved doing this during ww2. For science.
>>96663612I love how the author of this had to instantly nerf Sorcerer because he didn't like the idea of him just fucking off to his personal luxury mansion demiplane leaving everyone else to fight over the scraps on Earth.
>>96663618Damn, anon, you must be joking. It's almost like you didn't get the point...
>>96663609It says they need to show intense affection, which is why I think simply cheering won't do much. You need like headpats at least.>Don't be aloneIt's incredibly inconvenient to not be alone at all times, like I discussed in my post, anon. What if Mr. Evil Spirit man kills your cute little incompetent blue oni girlfriend who isn't capable of crazy Legendary techniques like you are?>If you have the god Benign AlterationsYour build is gonna have access to 3-5 of those and there's more than that which are good, you're giving up quite a lot if you have 3 benign alterations for your build but instead of taking the prodigy or lotus or vulture you have to pick the one that makes you a sexy harem lord.
>>96663612Biokinetic is WEAK and only gets picked by perverts
>>96663597Yes the villains are vile, welcome to writing. Also they're cartoons, stop crying.
>>96663596I mostly agree, but not so hardline, if done carefully it's not a deadly sin.Animus had unified point pool between magic and items iirc and it was fine (I barely remember the particulars)?A big problem there is probably that item sections are usually shit in general.Also a lot of cyoas have something like:>You can pick 2 companions.>There's also an option that allows you to purchase an extra companion for x points from the general point pool.That's fine imo and I've never seen anyone object to it, in the worst case it just means you have 2 companions period, even though it's connected to the general point pool.
>>96663632Your point is to argue that people here will all pick it because waah they're bad and power obsessed, I'm countering that by saying no, people here won't pick it and will be mad it's even an option.
>>96663609>Anon wants to fuck in battle
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>>96663654 (me)Mushoku Tensei handled that well now that I think of it! How many companions you get depends on the choices you make with your general point pool, but it's indirect (in a way that was imo well implemented) and also it's sufficiently cheap compared to powers.
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>>96663706You should post it.
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>>96663505Companions need to have two to things to succeed. First is that they should be involved in the story. They need to have a place in the world and people should be able to instinctually know how they would interact with them from reading their description. That's why splitting it into a background, personality and power section makes them already memorable. Second is that they should not be easily replaceable, a companion should be able to offer something that you cannot be able to do on your own. If a companion says that his main contribution is being an advanced pyromancer while you can easily become a master pyromancer with points to spare then most people will simply overlook them. They are companions, they need to be unique.
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Get rid of Orsted and suddenly Mushoku Tensei becomes a much better setting. “I’ve been around so many times I’m basically a hundred billion years old”Fuck that Groundhog Day shit.
>>96663612I feel like I'm the only one who picks telekinetic in this.
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>>96663505Where do you see this? Most CYOAs that I remember make companions separate form powers, so you'll always have the same regardless of your powers. JRPG traitor makes you pick people, OR has a separate pool point for powers and companions and mentors, etc.
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>>96663713Are we really going to turn MT into just another lolcow cyoa like Danmachi?
>>96663748You're implying it's not already the case?
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>>96663650Not true, I want to take it for eugenic purposes. Imagine, an entire optimized, brilliant, healthy, and athletic humanity with no more genetic disorders. I could even get rid of that stupid nerve that goes down and back up the entire spinal column just to end less than two inches from where it started.
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>>96663752The text body font filters me.>eyelet!Yes.
Viz Volaire > The WitcherOne is original, the other is slop.
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>>96663760Dragonfall > Everything.
>>96663760I for one don't care for either.
>>96663767That's by a different author, anon-kun.
Danmachi is mechanically superior to, and more wholesome and comfy than, Mushoku Shitsei.
>>96663760I only care for big meaty cyoas.
>>96663770That’s not an anon. That’s Tok. >>96663775>dude you only get three spells maxUm no it sucks mechanically.
>>96663736You are, pitiful fool.
Just dumping a massive list of spells on to the wizard’s lap is a gay ass way to do magic sorryEven a single spell can be a big fucking game changer
>>96663760I haven't played / read bitcher so it's basically original.
>>96663778Anon only wants one thing and it's disgusting.
>>96663801Um, fag, I want to be the Dee en Dee wizard, okay. I want to learn ALL the spells, okay.
>it’s a list of spells>they’re all useless cantrips like telekinetically picking your nose or how to fart away from people
>>96663818Matterwife...
>You'll get isekai'd by a totally sane and morally good goddess to go on an ebin isekai adventure to defeat the demon lord with your trustworthy companions.>Powers will cost points, but companions will be free and mandatory. You'll have to fill four party roles each with their own pool of characters (healer, magic user, physical damage dealer, flex character).>Then you'll select enemies. The big bad will be set in stone, but you'll be able to choose perhaps one or two enemies as mid bosses.>Since this is a betrayal CYOA, your companions will betray you and become your new enemies. Your old enemies may help or "help" you in various ways, depending on your choices. The betrayal section will also open up new powers for you, all of course coming at a price.
>>96661848I'm still a bit miffed that he complained about getting too many questions when I asked one. Like, he has answered probably several hundred here and in reddit by now, but mine was too much? It wasn't even one of those "hur hur do I get omnipotence if I pick autoantecedence with X" ones...
>>96663869O b s e s s e dbsessed
>>96663736It's not telekinetic, it's Dr. Manhattan levels of matter warping too
>>96663883kek, rekt bitch
>>96663805I love this little Kot warrior like you wouldn’t believe
>>96663647Why are you waifuing jobbers? Most of the ones you can chose can actually fight, not to mention they should be growing with you not doing nothing. You should also be making some chimeras since alchemy is the best of the four, they'll like you plenty. Being alone is gonna be harder than being with someone.
>>96663898wizard kot solos
>>96663890I suppose gatto is correct, author cattle need to be culled.
>>96663886That's exactly why I like it. Large scale transmutation and creating exotic materials seems like so much fun.Being able to lift continents is cool but not very interesting. Being able to turn space dust into breathable atmosphere as you explore space for a planet to customize is the real shit.
>>96661848Ask him why doubling your gifts via Grim Outlook is too much, while IOI existence as a much bigger multiplier is perfectly fine.
>>96663612Inventor is just sorcerer but with the nerf that if too many people you your (not magical) items they become shit lmao
>>96663869How the hell do you identify him(her)
>>96663946They can accumulate lots of inventions they just can't have them all active at the same time. It's stronger than sorcerer in the long term.
>>96663736Sorcerer is the one that can do the coolest shit, including going to entire new planes of existence. Body is the most boring, but the best one in an immediate direct fight.
>>96663960And you think Sorcerer can't just accumulate a lot of magic items? The only difference between an inventor teleporter pad and a Sorcerer teleportatiom circle is that one becomes useless if too many normies use it.
post cool artwork that I can steal for my cyoa >>96663346
>>96663971Sorcerer specifies that you can't break its fundamental rules by doing stuff like that.
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>>96663964True. I personally prefer the at-will nature of telekinetic over the complex ritual stuff but there's no denying sorcerer has access to more stuff than the any one of the others others.
>>96661848>>>Does Reality Check work inside sufficiently advanced computer simulations? What about the precognitive powers of Iriy?>>It should work on both counts.>Then should we take it that this is /not/ the equivalent of a zero point spell in that world, but then Abyss Watch is explicitly as rare as the magic it looks for. Fine, it's a 1 point spell.>Can you mind control a Perceptor from inside a first-person simulation?>Has someone already wrote the Toyota Eugenics Tantras? Can we?>Can an adoption build be introduced to a forsaken parent through the Event menu?>How do you pronounce the double 'u' in Pixie names?>Multiple people have reincarnated as Dei, they are not the same person for the purpose of reincarnation, therefore it doesn't end her character if her letter comes. That might be even worse. I'm starting to see the point of total Majin death.>The JNPL clause is vague enough that it lets me play as the bonus Human races, which imaginably (sometimes explicitly) have Unnotable minority members in selectable areas. What bonus effects should I get from being them?>Does blue grease enable airships using magic or technology?>How intelligent are real Uruks?>Is Blazhko immune to misandry?>Is Nilmatrix a genderbent Boromir?>Does Tenyota have anti-synergy with Thoroughbreeding?>We understand as a matter of course that any anatomical Gift is lost or downgraded when one is torn off. Does that level drop by 1 or 2 if it happens to someone with Autoantecedence?>Can a skin graft be used to steal somebody's Mark gifts?>Who did Araith's parents name her after (because they're not Drakonids, probably not even familiar with any Drakonids, and had to name her after something they read once, let's ignore the fact that all names work like this)?>What's the difference between Wisdom and the non-magical end of Spiritual Feel?
>>96663997>Gifts appear to follow Lamarckian instead of Darwinist logic, since Martial Instinct and God Hand are explicitly Lamarckian in their origin, and moreover, all parents have backgrounds that 'synergize' with their Gifts. Even non-casters with Spiritual Feel like Elyon, for example, have a joy-de-vivre that could be read as understanding the proverbial magic of things. And I think that Mitrofan would be tickled to hear his background being cited to challenge the default assumptions of anons, as he didn't act at all like a Spiritual Feel parent in his youth until he went through his redemption arc, which reads like it's in the opposite direction from being genetic determinism in action. Have I noticed correctly?>Why do Elder Gods hate racemixing?>Where is Sonya's autoantecedence?>Someone sometimes mixes Royal Claim parents with Theta, I'm not buying that anyone's going to accept the never-born son of the last king as the new one.>Can someone who fierts into a pixie meet their true death through something gross and embarassing?>Were there any Elder God cults that would demonize one or both of their sisters?>How do the bonus Lifespans overwrite the listed ones?>Next question can be answered in very broad terms because we're in AU territory. What kind of existential situation would the world be seeing if Charlotte deposed a different goddess as the start?>Is it Blessing of JNPL to decide that True Love can ship NPCs with each other?>Tell me cool unicorn facts.>Some people associated with Yphont's build have missing names.>Will we be able to True Love someone else's predefined Siblings?>If, theoretically, ignoring the deeper implications of this crossover, somebody casted Timeline Restoration on the Outer Reincarnation earth, what does that mean for everybody?
>>96664004?>Where are the autoantecedences of all the earlier Outsiders?
>>96663681Did Sylen ever do build reviews for this?
>>96664012Can I sell the gas? Or groceries?I'd probably have to go with groceries here.
>>96663505I like how the Companions are done is Pantheon of Pleasure.
>>96663985This doesn't break any of them. It even says Sorcerer can step into the domains of others, so I don't see any problem with making something akin to a teleportation network but magical, or just enslaving a magical being to be his portal.
>>96663623Everyone but the telepath can simple leave.Biokinetic can make himself a space creature and fuck off at super speed into another planet, and terraform it with life.Body can just fly to another alien civilization.Engineer can engineer.Telekinetic can make breathable oxygen and go to another planet.The only one "trapped" is the telepath as our current tech can't make us travel to other planets and live there
>>96663975I can't decide if I want to stick with a consistent art style through the whole CYOA, or if I want to shift things dramatically when you hit the betrayal section.Also I just realized that this is the same artist that did the artwork that TRVE DRAGON anons kept posting.
>>96663650Biokinetic is confirmed to have as much regeneration as the Body, with unlimited space to store minions. Said minions can replicate powers and learn magic. Being the power with more versatility just behind sorcerer, but nowhere with as much prep time needed. Can create kaijus that destroy cities by stepping on them and is one of the few that could kill the body by virtue of having a lot of ways to attack with, unlike telekinetic for example. Is the easiest to fuck off the planet and still be fine. Can even live as microscopic lifeforms.being a pervert and making cat girls is just another plus
>>96664058Yes, but none of this makes you safe from the others. Going to another plane of existence did it, unless they can also do that somehow.
>>96664067Didn't the author said you'd need to experiment for centuries if not milenia to make creatures that can do just a bit of magic? That seems like a lot of prep time. I'm not if they can actually replicate the other powers.
>>96664082>Didn't the author said you'd need to experiment for centuries if not milenia to make creatures that can do just a bit of magic?Nope, he didn't give any time frame.
>>96664062oh shit, you can even get it as a mini
>>96663276Why did you skip the previous thread OP? I know it was made by a schizo spammer but still.
When can we go back to having only one thread?
>>96664067As much regeneration as the body but not as much durability. It takes less firepower to kill the biokinetic than any of the other options except maybe inventor.
>>96663883What was your question?
>>96664097>I know it was made by a schizo spammerNo, he's the schizo spammer.
>>96663276E>>A>D>C>>>>B
>>96664140I'd switch D and A, otherwise based ranking.
>>96663276The actual previous thread.>>96662144
>>96664140C is a hellscape, B beats it for fucking sure.
>>96664108Wrong. Sorcerer and telepath are also easier to kill. Telepath dies in any battle between superpowers as collateral damage, Sorcerer is like inventor, needs prep time and has consumable spells.Biokinetic could turn into a living swarm of microscopic germs and spread itself. Or go all in and make a super kaiju body with multiple brains and hearts, or removing the need for them and stay alive as long as a cell survives.
>>96663997If you have this many questions on multiple CYOAs, why are you not just asking them yourself?
>>96664169I don't know man, a culture that has normalised feasting on fucking babies is much more hellish to me than a your average cyberpunk dystopia.
>>96664136It was about what happens when you're shunted into the Overflowing Pupil emanation if your original body is killed (since it was mentioned as possibility). I thought it might have some drawback to it or perhaps be a distinct state of being like undeath, but apparently it just makes it your new normal body.
>>96664169I'd rather live in ze pod and eat ze bugs than only be able to interact with a Universe of Toks
>>96664173Telepath can switch bodies with a near instant reaction speed. You either find and kill them in an instant or destroy all of humanity, otherwise you don't kill them. Sorcerer can insta-cast defensive spells.No way can biokinetic spread it's consciousness across the whole planet even as bacteria. A single big explosion eliminates them as long as you don't leave one cell to regenerate from. Literally what can they do if the telekinetic drops in and explodes them?
>>96664043>Pantheon of Pleasure.I still don't understand how the point system works in that cyoa.
>>96663612BodyGODS are still the best.
>>96664237Realistically, why would the Body or Telekinetic try to hunt down and kill the other Superpowers before they ever even get the chance to find out about them? Only the Telekinetic even has a way to find them before the Sorcerer or Inventor has a chance to make defenses. Unless one of the others is a psycho that immediately decides to wipe out humanity after getting powers, it's a non-issue since you're not getting found until you reveal yourself.
>>96664192It's not just an average cyberpunk dystopia. It's one where people have morally and philosophically drunk the kool aid. Right and wrong does not exist there any more than it exists in B. They don't give a shit if you hunt the homeless for sport or eat babies, as long as you can afford it.>>96664196You can fuck off to deep space with some AI companions if you want. Maybe look for aliens. You don't have that option in C.Besides, as bad as Tok is, I think being stuck on a planet full of Randian ancaps would be a million times worse. The commie military world is a paradise in comparison.
>>96664276>TelekineticI meant telepath, I blame the telepath for this mistake
>>96664276This is completely irrelevant to the post you're responding to?
>>96664237>Telepath can switch bodies with a near instant reaction speed. You either find and kill them in an instant or destroy all of humanity, otherwise you don't kill them.Humanity being destroyed if 2 superpowers fight is something the author repeated like 100 times. Each superpower is more dangerous than all the nukes in the worlds. The only fights that could not end like that are if you surprise with their pants low the engineer and the sorcerer before they can do things. Precisely humanity dying as collateral damage is in theory what stops the Superpowers from potential fights, mimicking countries not using nukes because they know it can develop into a war without winners.>Sorcerer can insta-cast defensive spells.Unless you think the defensive spells are able to protect against anything, the sorcerer would need strong defensive spells to protect from superpowers that are easily continent busters.>No way can biokinetic spread it's consciousness across the whole planet even as bacteriaI didn't say that. But the bacteria aspect pretty much counters a big part of the superpowers that don't have the precision nor knolwedge of where they are. And how much can it spread is a big question but for sure it should be big, given an easy job of the biokinetic is doing kaijus that can destroy cities by stepping on them.>A single big explosion eliminates them as long as you don't leave one cell to regenerate fromRealize how big that explosion must be, how it should eliminate 100% all bacteries, how even 1 hidden bacteria fucks the whole plan, who that plan has in mind the biokinetic is not doing anything else except beign a bacteria. How the biokinetic could be a bacteria inside the mouth of a minion in another side of the world.There is a long list of things to do that a "big explosion" would not be enough.And the bacteria form is just an example of how hard realistically is to kill the biokinetic. The telekinetic has no answer to Eldritch abomination
>>96664281Rule B makes it so all AIs are fake and gay. In B and C you will just consoom things, but at least in one of them not everyone is a mega coomer.
>>96664012Groceries
>>96663748>Are we really going to turn MT into just another lolcow cyoa like Danmachi?Every cyoa made by 5341760 have been corrupted and tarnished by the danmarat schizo, I believe its a psyop meant to ruin that particular author's legacy by pretending to an annoying overzealous fan. Remember how he never posts the cyoa himself, only bugging other anons to do it.
>>96664272Mox all the way. Man, I hope one of the consorts is a kitsune
>>96664306Yeah ik, I mostly ignored it to mention that because it was somewhat related if you squint
>>96664318just have a lot of kids and raise them into an anti gooner cult on a remote planet
>>96663760After his cum-fueled FTL drive economy from Empress, I can't really take that nigger's CYOAs seriously
>>96663760Wise Kot.
>>96664272Nero, easily.
>>96663505>social intellectYou are either annoying, obnoxious woman or narcissistic faggot with alot of imaginary self esteem.
>>96664173>Telepath dies in any battle between superpowers as collateral damagelmao, Telepath is potentially the most unkillable superpower, as long as humanity lives, he will as well
>>96664272Who the hell isn't picking Nox or Nero?Also Nero
>>96664162Why do you prefer endless war with aliens who might kill us all over peaceful efficiency?
>>96664365dying in battle isn't that bad compared to spending the rest of your life on the no fun allowed nothing ever happens chudworld
>>96664260>Telepath makes everyone in the world think you're a pedophileWhat could you even do about it? Threaten to end humanity?
>a wizard is a caster of spells>a wizard is not an inventor This makes no sense1. Wizards have always been associated with machines and gadgetry and higher learning 2. Who the fuck is making the new spells? What the fuck is a spell if not a word for something you don’t get?
>>96664364Do you really wanna be put into bondade gear while a loli fox pegs you?
>>96664396Don't kink shame bro
>>96664341Sylen was corrupted by Succubus Tok in his sleep.
>>96664414You can stop anytime, mongol-kun
>>96664365Yes, I'd kill myself anyway if I lived in A. D at least affords you a meaningful death.
>>96664394>"Indistinguishable from magic" losers when magic is actually magical
>>96663905Humanoid Chimera are highly restricted and controlled, it's frowned upon to make them, and even if you're qualified to make them, fucking them is considered EXTREMELY looked down on even by other Alchemists. Also Chimera lack souls and are thus incapable of feeling love.
>>96664426>Me making a tok joke somehow means I'm tok himself.It seems you've been corrupted by him as well. I'll pray for you.Also fyi, the tok thing is legit, Sylen has admitted that he was convinced/inspired by tok to add a gooner section to all of his cyoas.
>>96664360Humanity dies as collateral damage in any fight between superpowers. Telepath can be easily killed by virtue of all superpowers easily being able to end humanity
>>96664432Why haven't you killed yourself irl if you would do it in A lmao
>>96664396A dominating woman =/= the woman pegs you. Pegging has corrupted your mind as it came to be a famous concept.
>>96664461Destroying humanity is the worst case scenario thoughbeit. Unless you deliberately picked murder hobo retards as the other Superpowers, it'll realistically never happen.
>>96664466Surely "exploring and experimenting" means only vanilla sex, especially from woman that gags you and puts you in a cock cage.
>>96664469>Destroying humanity is the worst case scenario thoughbeit. Which is why the Superpowers in theory won't fight each other. But realistically its the only outcome when 2 or more people with more powers than all nukers fight each other. And this is not only my theory, the author confirmed it, several times.>Unless you deliberately picked murder hobo retards as the other Superpowers, it'll realistically never happen.Any real fight that ends with one superpower killed, ends with humanity and humanity dies before the fight ends. Only exception is taking advantage of sorcerer and inventor at the start
>>96664479There is a whole world of bdsm that has nothing to do with pegging, that only came to be famous because of lesbian sex. The majority of men pro bdsm are not pro pegging at the same time.
>>96664462I don't live in a hyper-pretentious vegan-atheist -only no-fun-allowed world.
>>96664495Yeah the men sure, the women on the other hand, specially the one who wants do do things without you being able to resist... well, have fun anon.
>>96664488>Any real fight that ends with one superpower killed, ends with humanity and humanity dies before the fight ends.If you picked Traits wisely, they'll never fight. So you assumption is based on you being braindead enough to give the Superpowers clashing traits so they'll fight each other.
>>96664514>If you picked Traits wisely, they'll never fight.Let's say thats true. That still is defeated by the topic being the superpowers easier to be killed.If you at the discussion it was>Biokinetic is one of the easiest to kill>Telepath is easier, he dies as collateral damage>No way, killing all of humanity is hard
>>96664433You can’t exactly avoid sufficiently advanced logic. All magic, even “true magic”, is essentially just that to justify it at all.
>>96664249I hope you mean the stats because the points system is basic (just + & -).And for the stats you really need to write down how many of each Rites you gain from Boons&Banes and what stats you start with after taking your species traits into account, also dealing with a god give you Favored/Defiled which change how many Boons/Banes you can have at most.
Biokinetic and Telepath are perverts, but Telepath is too much of a pervert and humanity should be killed and revived because of him.Biokineitc can fuck his own creations.
>>96663612Someone post the worst possible combination of powers and traits for this, the build that will result in the shittiest possible outcome
>>96664529Sure you can. "Magic actively resists attempts to rationalize it; rationalist wizards simply fail at magic because the magic rejects their approach."
>>96664562A Palestinian Sorcerer with Zealot and Trauma + a Superior Israeli Body on a Leash.
>>96664565Okay, but how you’re assuming magic is alive. That’s just proving my point.
>>96664565There is order even to chaos, anon. There is something to the magic that doesn’t want it to be poked at, or understood sufficiently enough. This is a scientific concept as well. The gremlin effect. Something messing with systems with or without your notice. Sufficiently advanced aliens could fuck with physics to prevent us from understanding it as well as we could. Some science fiction novel had physicists committing mass suicide once they learned that there’s an artificially imposed limit to understanding physics - because aliens don’t want us becoming too advanced. Or too knowledgeable.It’s just how it is. Whimsical hocus pocus wouldn’t come about without some sort of intelligence to entertain it. Evolution isn’t that pretty.
>>96664600Don't forget about the Sinner+Superior+Zoomer Telepath
Quantum mechanics fucks with us too you know. “No fair! You changed the outcome by measuring it!”.
>>96664618>"Your metaphor is actually an assumption that proves my point"
>>96664645>Skibidi Toilet blasting full volume in your brain 24/7Even hell isn't so cruel.
>>96664663Anon. “The magic resists your attempts at logic!” is basically assuming that magic is a living thing. Logic is logic. You can’t point to it anywhere. Or it’s everywhere.
>>96664641Enjoy never casting a spell I guess, sciencefag.
>>96664684People would go to their local hedge witches to cure warts. Know what they did? They would grab a bug and place it on the wart, and it would eat it off, then fly away. It’s why katydids are called wart-biters.A spell is just something you do that makes people go “omg”. It’s why mastery is associated with wizardry. “He’s a wizard at math or something”.
It’s literally fucking impossible to claim magic isn’t physics.
>>96663612>>96664562My five minute attempt. All men from random third world countries or dictatorships.Pick - InventorTelekinetic - Trauma, ChildishBiokinetic - Sinner, ZealotBody - UncompromisingSorcerer - AmbitionsTelepath - Obsessed, OppositeWarlords - A few monthsLoss(Biokinetic) - A yearTelekinetic lashes out and destroys everything. Biokinetic is a self-hating sinner. Body gets into fights with everyone else. Sorcerer tries to cast big spells that everyone else has to stop. Telepath is my opposite, unavoidable, and really obsessed with me at the same time. Quests ensure the world is devastated within a few months, and maybe destroyed after a year. World's fucked.
>>96664683No, it's a metaphor for the unexplainable. It will fall apart under scrutiny, like every other attempt to rationalize magic if you confuse the sign for the signified.Magic isn't anything, magic is everything, magic simply is, magic doesn't exit, magic comes from beyond, magic comes from inside, magic comes from before, magic never was, magic is possibility, magic is impossibility. Magic is magical and the magical cannot be explained or understood.
>>96664717cringe
>>96664741go back
>>96663997Here you go, Anon. QnA 02.10.2025:https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1gHcb2N-qWmaolX7AnnwXpGvcHQ6wqjXQ?usp=sharing>>96663883If it happened in the thread, it was likely because it was too late and I needed to go to sleep before another 24 hour shift. It's not about the number of question (but it could be, please stop asking so many), it's mostly about the timing of the answer session.>>96663938If you mean to use a cursed weapon with your gift and treat it to improve the x1 gift you have to x2, then it can't happen because it's not a part of your body. It shouldn't work like that.Also, Icon of Icons is a big important gift. Grim Outlook is much more "generic" in comparison.And my experiences with bonus stacking with people's builds in Magocratic Convention taught me not to give people an inch in this kind of power escalation. Or else you lot will be running around with Unlimited Curseworks claiming it has to give you x1000 modifier combined with your Icon of Icons and Autoantecedence and whatever else.Maybe I should nerf Icon of Icons by making the bonus gained from true friends less clear. But I don't think that's necessary.
>>96664394>>96664641>>96664717
>>96664751>nerfing IoIDon't listen to the retards that want to nerf everything. They have some strange compulsion where they refuse to powergame but also want to have the strongest build.If it's not an unintended exploit or an actual balance issue, I would just leave it.
>>96664751>>Has someone already wrote the Toyota Eugenics Tantras? Can we?>I don’t know what this means.Nta he's talking about using Tenyota's mentoring on thoroughbreeding to turn it into a discipline
>>96664717>No, it's a metaphor for the unexplainableWhat is unexplainable to us is irrelevant. It’s still there.
>>96664751>>What kind of existential situation would the world be seeing if Charlotte deposed a different goddess as the start?>I don’t think she could have killed [SRTR] – it’s too much of a tall order (I’d like to call her “the strongest Elder God”> it’s hard to imagine [YMRD] being deposed. She’s too slippery to catch.>Perhaps [JNPL] died because she was the only one 0^0 actually could have killed.[JNPL] simps don't look...
>>96664768In trying to be open to suggestions, I have to at least hear everyone out first and imagine how implementing their idea would impact things.>>96664812Ah, I see.Well, the answer would be probably not. It's not like the average person even knows they have Thoroughbreeding. And someone of power who could reasonably use some magical means to verify this fact and does have it would also be unlikely to encounter Tenyota and give up this gift, unless they also happen to already have descendants with it and are old.
>>96664882Do you have a favorite OR build? Or ones that you just like? Or dislike?
>>96664751Grim Outlook x2 costs 6 points, while IoI costs 5.Grim Outlook x2 takes up limited slots, while IoI doesn't.If IoI were limited by inheritance like Daemonhost, I'd agree that "Icon of Icons is a big important gift." But as it stands now, it's a 5 point gift in a non-limited slot. Pretty generic in accessibility.
>>96664878Why would someone who is already simping for the goddess of the ordinary care that she's not the strongest? They clearly have different priorities than you. You were supposed to learn that other people aren't always the same as you when you were 6.
>>96664751>A zero point spell is a zero point spell. Why wouldn’t it suddenly be the equivalent of it?Because it's astronomical units stronger on Iriy if it can foil the magical manifestation of a royal birthright.>What Event menu? Huh?Encounters>I forgot that I didn’t define it anywhere.>If I haven’t fully defined what their base gifts even do, what do you even expect me to say here?I rather meant to ask, since Autoantecedence is classified as a "Mark", that would suggest that it's a birthmark somewhere on their skin.Hoold on.... 0^0 has the "Gift of Midday". And someone listed similarities between herself and Princess Celestia from My Little Pony. Who has a sun symbol on her butt.Speaking of which.>>If [unicorns] exist, they’d probably have to descend from a wooly rhinoceros or something.>Implying that unicorns may not be real.>Implying that Iwynn's unicorn may be fake.This goes into the Nilmatrix file.>>96664812Yes.
>>96664878[JNPL] is a little slow
>>96664906>he doesn’t knowSpergs can’t into theory of mind
>>96664906>>96664921You're both retards if you couldn't figure out I was joking
>It’s literally fucking impossible to claim magic isn’t physics.He’s right you knowPretending a fireball isn’t fire is retarded
>>96664751Oh well, since you are here I will just ask directly ask what I mentioned last thread.Maou is the only full Majin whose description doesn't mention her letter. Even if you change it later, which one and which spell would she probably have? Same for ???, Aat, Xian and Bal but I understand them being secret or not relevant enough for it to matter, it's just curiosity.Also, I'm wondering how unique we can consider Baf in comparison to the other mass produced princesses. As in, is her possession skill the same they all have and how unique her goal and personality are among her sisters. Basically if she's just a random one among all the copies or is she unique enough to have been picked by the system.
>>96664952
>>96664768I don't want the strongest build. I just want in-universe a non sod-breaking reason why soul in OR won't choose IoI.As written, with amount of points you can have, there is no reason to not pick IoI.
>>96664952It's hilarious that you're using the example of a spell which causes something which looks and feels like combustion without needing fuel, oxygen, or activation energy.
>>96664985And yet, plenty of builds don't have it.
Physics is magic.
>>96665000nuh uhmagic is funphysics is not fun
>>96664985Because they wanted Daemonhost instead, it's the only valid reason.
>>96664954>Aat, Xian and Bal but I understand them being secret or not relevant enough for it to matter, it's just curiosity.>he doesn't plan to use Spirit Tap x2 on Dei (or any allied Daemonhost user, really) to give her all the Daemonhost tricks
>>96664914>Because it's astronomical units stronger on Iriy if it can foil the magical manifestation of a royal birthright.I don't think Right to Rule abilities are all that impressive. Also, I already consider them redone to be a bit more serious in my mind, so this answer might not even apply correctly.>EncountersAh, wait, you were asking if you could meet your own old parent through an Encounter like you do other characters.It can't be done this way. First, because you already met them once - they're your original parent, after all. And second, the Encounters which could reintroduce characters you've already met are restricted to Mentors. Parents are kind of Mentors, but it doesn't really apply.>since Autoantecedence is classified as a "Mark", that would suggest that it's a birthmark somewhere on their skin.I see. Well, they'd have to be on the bodypart that was boosted.Sonya's would be on one or both of her legs.Vtorusha's on her hand or both arms. Charlotte's same as Vtorusha.>>96664897I don't like measuring builds. I like that I get them, and I don't mind when I don't. I don't have favourites in regards to them.>>96664904But they also have different functionality. Grim Outlook x2 allows you to theoretically arm an army with cursed weapons, sharing your gifts with them, instead of just being boosted by friends and hope.>>96664954Let me check my unfinished infographic listing every single Majin with potential letter spells...Maou - Lyudi - Probably something to do with temporary templates.Original Xian - Yat - Spawning of Daemonhost-carrying Majin and auto-copying of all templates they and their descendants invent.Bal - Zhivete - No firm idea yet, but I have plans.??? - Probably Shta - Something which interacts with her ingrained nightmare ability, granting her the special ability she has as a result.>BafThey all look the same and all have Fiert, but each is unique. You'll meet her "sister" Met as adoptable sibling for comparison.
>>96664985Not enough points. And impossibility to realize its full potential with the chosen strategy.
>>96665031 (cont.)>BafBaf's personality and goal are also unique. But you could view them all to be somewhat similar in at least some traits.
>>96665031>Grim Outlook x2 allows you to theoretically arm an army with cursed weapons, sharing your gifts with them, instead of just being boosted by friends and hope.uruk necromancer just keeps winning
>>96664992My own posted build doesn't have it for thematic reasons. Still I know, what it's a very dumb choice in-universe, and in hypothetical scenarios of OR IoI is an immediate pick.
>>96665059Any build that plans on making an enemy of the people or keeping a low profile probably shouldn't take it. Or if you're doing a Baf fiert build, or something similar.Honestly if you are picking any strategy other than 1v1ing Charlie in a straight up fight, it's not necessary.
v3 will bring TOTAL MUDDISH VICTORY inshallah
>>96665031>But they also have different functionality. Grim Outlook x2 allows you to theoretically arm an army with cursed weapons, sharing your gifts with them, instead of just being boosted by friends and hope.Ok. IoI is still 100% boost of your gifts for each friend RAW. Is it шntentional power level?
>>96664985I rarely pick it because I like the Majin story and want to play into it, so I don't have the option. I basically agree with you for non-Majin characters, but it does still have requirements that not every character meets.I think if I were doing balance, I'd introduce a slot type for "special" gifts: Icon of Icons, Daemonhost, Warmachina Mounting, Autoantecedence, and All-Glimpse. You'd probably need to have two slots available to account for Dei and Charlotte's builds, and you'd probably want to increase the number of options from that list which don't require specific parent choices so it doesn't end up being pick 2: AutoA, IoI, All-Glimpse. But in principle I can see prioritizing something like All-Glimpse + AutoA, so it passes the feels test for balance.
>>96664987>it’s not fire, it’s fire!Idiot.
(you) get 1x extra gift strength with every true friend>fucking busted, tankista nerf now!!!(you) get an army of 10,000+ will all your combat gifts>nah, I'd win. I'm as strong as 3 people
>>96665120>Warmachina MountingIt isn't even close to everything else here.
>>96665142>(you) get an army of 10,000+ will all your combat giftsRemember to give them all Zelo
>>96665031Could you buff grey wandering please. 2*SBS+OP+MO gives much better teleportation, provides an automatic layer of defense through not being physically present and only costs 3 more points as an example, but generally every other use of 10 points seems far more beneficial i.e. IoI or Daemonhost + All glimpse. Also as a drakonid when using SBS would your move speed be determined by your transformed state, your humanoid state or your current state?
>>96665009>physics is not funIt really isn’t The square cube law is literally the nofun law
>>96665145It's literally the most downplayed gift in the entire CYOA. Probably because it's heritage only and anons have sour grapes. Vtorusha's mech has Charlie quaking in fear at the mere mention of it, and "regular" greater warmachina still solo all but the strongest characters. That's without potential upgrades.
>>96663612Supreme Biokinetic so that I can turn everyone into little girls
>>96665142Or i can stack both. Because IoI boosts everything. What is the problem. IoI with other gifts, not IoI on its own.
>>96665145It's a hotswappable auto-antecedence if you put in the work to get some mechs. And it's not like that's impossible: the false sea has rusted warmachina on the cliffs, and there's a companion who will learn to repair them if given proper support.
>>96665115>Ok. IoI is still 100% boost of your gifts for each friend RAW. Is it шntentional power level?Yeah, but there's still some wiggle room in that you don't know what this 100% boost to a gift exactly means. Do you add more gifts to your cursed weapons, or are they stronger, or are the dark fates it draws weaker (or stronger if you want them to be). You can still imagine it to be roughly balanced somewhere. As long as you don't ask me to define more limits and make me look like an idiot for not considering something somewhere.>>96665156>Could you buff grey wandering pleaseI am thinking of just making it cost 1 point.>Also as a drakonid when using SBS would your move speed be determined by your transformed state, your humanoid state or your current state?Probably the current state.
>>96665185Actually, repairing warmachina is impossible. Brastat is a jobber and would fail. Warmachina options are trap options that the author clearly only added to trick people. You are playing the game wrong.
>>96665203"Extra power in late life for higher risk in early life" like the Uruk encounters is bad design because everybody imagines themselves winning anyway. I hope you remove or revamp them somehow.
>>96665176And make humanity into a race of all females with you as the only sperm donor. Including fetish races like elves.
>>96665220>erm, you can't beat uruks, they are literally invincible even if you take every combat gift and untimeskip every combat mentor and take Jdan and Dobrava... you should give up...>BUT I WOULD WIN AGAINST URUK NECROMANCER EASILY!!!Schrodinger's Urukthe real price of Uruk encounters are companion/mentor slots
>>96665220Surely the trade in Uruk encounters is simply the loss of companion slots? Uruks have a 0% chance of triggering 90% of death letters so assuming victory isn't a big ask. The troll one should probably be shifted down though, it's effectively a free point of either type for a minor risk (Trivialized by just being a drakonid).
>>96665270the troll encounter is perfectly fine
>>96665120These are very good suggestions, I second that.>>96665203Ok. I boost mental and sense gifts with it. It's as straightforward as possible. Instantly become as many times smarter and skilled as many friends i have. Perfectly balanced, i suppose.
>>96664751OhI guess there was no reason to make a reddit accountIn advance, sorry about the questions, you may delay or decline answering any of them at any point. I would still love your work and think highly of you as an authorCritiques with the language system:Currently the system is too mechanicalI feel that this would be much improved if the bonus descriptions included lore flair about them, such as old northern making you naturally inclined to romantic gestures/patterns or muddish making you habitually more organisedAlso, insular and bilingual should be buffed, and should preferably include the bonuses below themI think it would be cool if having YMRD as a patron let you pick a few dead languagesOverflowing eye+Sight beyond sight makes you immune to all mundane weaponsI only ask this extremely technical question because someone argued with me about it and I am still botheredTo my knowledge the magic of OR works vaguely like thisYou say words with a given interpretation and they function as a shape to push meaning throughAs noted by descriptions such as blazing seal it is possible to exhaust yourself in doing this and to exhaust the meaning you give to each spellAnd as is implied by Icon of Icons, others giving meaning to your actions can effect and improve themThis implies that If multiple people worked together on a spell, and had the same or otherwise synergystic interpretations, they could cast it stronger / put more meaning into itThis being the case, if one were hypothetically able to possess multiple souls, and yet align them in one mind, this would serve to amplify their magics, as meaning is a function of the soul?This may or may not be what the elvenfold demon lord was doing, but it doesn't really matter, it's just pointless theorycrafting for vtorusha esque shenanigans(When you think about it magic is like blowing a really convoluted flute, where the words are the flute and the interpretation is which fingers go where)
>>96665203How would you compare autoantecedence and the IoI multiplier, how many friends would you need to match it?
I don't see why you need to artificially limit IoI, all-glimpse, and autoantecedence. These are expensive gifts, 5 points each plus more in the case of autoantecedence. If you're picking up more than one, you're already sacrificing a lot of other options. If you're getting all 3, you really have to tighten your belt and make some sacrifices. Why remove that option? If I want to pay 30 points to have autoantecedence bleeding heart gesture, Icon of Icons, and All-Glimpse, why can't I? You know how many other gifts you can get for 30 points?
>>96665220You are supposed to win against the closest thing to Demiurge, or, at the very least, escape her reality temple after replacing every word in Entramithraic with "nigger". If you imagine yourself losing to some mud golems with anything resembling a serious build, you may as well just choose Humilitas.
>>96665328Even Tuzik dunked on Uruk golems
>>96665203I would never think of you as an idiot
>>96665338We don't know what a lot of Sarmat's Gifts do, but I wouldn't be too surprised if Tuzik is actually stronger. No respect for martials in this cyoa.
>>96665220With attitude like that I might as well remove the CYOA itself, because everyone imagines themselves winning it anyway.I even played into beliefs like this a bit by placing the stakes in them only partially on you due to guarantees of fate, being mostly about something else.Well, the main point of these Encounters is to somehow reward players who chose to leave some of their character slots open. It doesn't have to be points, I could make it be something else to help deter thoughts like that. But I don't know what it could be.>>96665237Grim Outlook shouldn't be able to create cursed items with racial or bloodline locked gifts. But they could still exist, just made using some other method.A Small Problem Encounter which could have a cursed item with Diminishment properties, but requires you to not be a Pixie. So, this kind of restriction should still apply - you can't Diminish a Pixie even through a cursed item.But it probably shouldn't be impossible to have something which turns you into a dragon. Nothing says anywhere in requirements that normal people are forbidden from turning into dragons. Now, if a Majin got their hands on Icon of Icons-based cursed item, they wouldn't be able to use that.>>96665293Intelligence is also not something all that clear, I believe. Past a certain point, will any difference be really notable? You might be able to think faster, but what would it mean to choose options correct-er and feel magic even good-er?Well, I am kind of talking out of my ass here. Maybe this mental improvement does sound unreasonable.>>966653132.5 kilofriends or 3.52 milligokus.
anon after building his cognitive speed warmachina
>>96665384I would personally just say that the mental gifts are just a learned boost and thus not really affected by IoI, you shouldn't turn into a super computer because of it.Same thing with Ethereal Beauty but that's just so things don't become silly.
build an inhumanity warmachinause the warmachina inhumanity to build more warmachina out of mud???grey goo
>>96665421>Same thing with Ethereal Beauty but that's just so things don't become silly.But I want to mind break people with my beauty because my friends believe in me
Post Harry Potter
>>96665325You're tipping your hand by using Bleeding Heart Gesture as your AutoA. Needing to pay for a high-cost gift three times does make that particular AutoA actually somewhat fair, which is why most AutoA builds tripled up on cheaper gifts.10 points for All-Glimpse + Icon of Icons is *much* stronger than most everything else you could spend 10 points on. Compare it to 10 points for Bleeding Heart Gesture x2, or Mitigating Grasp x2 + Bestial Strength, or Witchshot x2 + Fighter's Eye. None of those combinations feel weak, and they're all cool conceptually, but they're just outclassed by the "special" gifts.
>>96665164Warmachina are jobbers
>>96665457Anons who say "jobber" unironically are jobbers.
>>96665307>languagesI am currently planning on removing the mechanical benefits they have and instead make them all in-universe knowledge and skill benefits. And yes, the Insular and Bilingual guys would get lower tier bonuses included into theirs. To cover for this loss, the point budget will be increased to 25/25 or even 30/30 (increased number of character slots will lead to more expenses as well).Dead languages sounds like more work. Maybe I'll add some into the Extended bonus folder, but that's kind of a bother...>Overflowing eye+Sight beyond sight makes you immune to all mundane weaponsHow so? You could still be ambushed in both bodies by someone making a coordinated attack. And it's not like you can keep a second body active all the time either.>multiple souls, and yet align them in one mind, this would serve to amplify their magicsThis is difficult to quantify correctly.However, you already have an example of how the Elves of the Orthrung continent landed their blow on 0^0 in Kilyn's description. This is kind of like that.But setting up a multitude of souls, making them all in perfect alignment, and having a sort of body which would allow all of the participants inside to cast a spell, is an insanely complicated scheme. Just Erginter and Xian sharing a body was a battle. Making a meaningful benefit through this procedure is harder than just getting multiple normal people to cast together.I'll say this would be theoretically possible, but practically not.>>96665120>special slot typeThis is more work than it is worth, I think.In regards to these fan favourite gifts, I don't see much problem with All-Glimpse and Icon of Icons, but I am thinking of introducing a counterpart to Daemonhost which would be incompatible with it, to give non-Demon Lord Majin something to play with and not feel restricted into becoming one.>>96665421That's fair.
>>96665164The Old Throne’s greater warmachina armada lost to Inga’s skeleton army even though they had time travel backing them up.
>>96665384>the main point of these Encounters is to somehow reward players who chose to leave some of their character slots open.Fwiw I though this was pretty obvious. (The point reward being less than the cost of the slot was a pretty strong indicator.) That anon has just been glazing the Uruks for a month and digs his heels in every time someone argues with him.
>>96665500Anons who say "jobber" ironically are jobbers
>>96665502When will this update be out?
>>96665504Necromancy just hard counters time shenanigansidk what to tell you
>>96665455IoI enhances all other options. The more points you have, the stronger it is. And in the current version, you can reach 60+ points without adopting. This has significantly exacerbated the problem.
How many skeleton spearmen does it take to destroy one greater warmachina?
>>96665502Is the Three Pillars a physical location in the world or some metaphysical realm? Can 0^0 do her god stuff away from the pillars? Could Second Wind remove the blood 0^0 used to write her new rules on the pillar and what consequences would that possibly have? Also what ARE the Midnight and Midday Points beyond the north and south poles?
>>96665543A singular skeleton spearman is capable of suppressing 20 high lords at the same time
>>96664751Posted some balancing suggestion in previous thread >>96664242 in case you are missed it.Might be of use to you if you are doing that promised rebalance.
>muskets BTFO'd half the outer reincarnation settingonce you have REAL guns you will effortlessly kill everything else
>>96665543Depends on the warmachina. The Tempo-Archaean Dream Passage warmachina? Overwhelmed by any army of moderate size. Deathless Grasp warmachina? No army enough, because it raises skeletal spearmen of its own, and it does so faster than you.
>>96665556Don’t be ridiculous.The real answer is that two skeletons is enough to beat any jobbermachina in a fight.
>>96665567Nah, I'd use JNPL blood to make gunpowder not work.
>>96664324>Every cyoa made by 5341760 have been corrupted and tarnished by the danmarat schizoReminds me of that asshole who ruined black magic for everyone
>>96665504I mean if you consider there's a limited amount of greater warmachina and an indefinite amount of skeletons Inga can raise, it makes a lot more sense. You can even sneak in kills on some of the highlords and the skeleton armies can also have warmachina's too.
>>96665502Ah, cool thank youThe full plan was actually to organise the cycles of reincarnation to have a multi incarnation indoctrination program, and then to sort souls by compatibilityThis would take multiple thousands of years, and was impractical even among daydreamsYou can't really be ambushed if you can attack from a different continent, with no implication of where you areIt's assassination and looting with unlimited retriesUnless someone knows magic that can affect the original they are doomedPerhaps dying should seal the gift temporarilySorry about any potential bother with the dead languagesI am perhaps too intrigued by practical linguistics
>>96665581Can't ruin kino anon
>>96665520Years from now, most likely.I want to return to making Lord of the Mysteries CYOA as planned, but I need to get into the right mood for it first. Which never happens because I keep getting pulled back in through Outer Reincarnation discussions, so I just keep making more plans of future content for this instead.>>96665546>Is the Three Pillars a physical location in the world or some metaphysical realm? It's the latter.>Can 0^0 do her god stuff away from the pillars?Yes, as long as she has [JNPL]'s blood on hand.>Could Second Wind remove the blood 0^0 used to write her new rules on the pillar and what consequences would that possibly have? Well, it's not really there any more. It's spent when used. I imagine it something like this: 0^0 writes Kako with a brush or her finger in the air, the blood flashes red and disappears, and then the Keter falls to the ground due to being tortured by something until she figures out a way to get out from this predicament and 0^0 draws something else next. All while they also fighting in a regular way as well at the same time.>Also what ARE the Midnight and Midday Points beyond the north and south poles?I haven't properly defined it. But as the poles are important for the magnetic field, the two points should also have some mystical field. Maybe some forms of magic are dependent on it.
>>96665384>Now, if a Majin got their hands on Icon of Icons-based cursed item, they wouldn't be able to use that.B-but my plans to combine all three big Gifts... So, will IoI after Tenyota's conversion suffer from the same limitation?
>>96665589If you spam it constantly yes you can. Unless you’re going to argue Danmachi is actually good?
>>96665372Musical Note of Death let you win in any conflict as long as you sang a better song than the other party (songs were judged by the gods)
>>96665600>I keep getting pulled back in through Outer Reincarnation discussionsOhSorry
>>96665502What would the Anti-texts teach you? I assume that Polluden magic would be heavily genie and middle east inspired with things like binding things to items or vice versa, seeing the astral plane and interacting with spirits for aid or too trap them.And just an opinion, but after the update, Tsoshu ended up being the least developed continent, or rather the one with the least plotlines. Maou and the empire are the only things relevant to it. Perhaps adding some gifts or mentors with things related to it would be fun if you decide to do it. It would just be Asian inspired so I it would be easy to picture how their magic and culture works.
>>96665614Danmachi? GoodBlack Magic? GoodNo amount of spam will change these ineffable truths.
So with Icon of Icons you can effectively have Autoantecedence for every gift. Nice.No wonder "One" became scrub without it.
>>96665640>Danmachi? GoodHow?>Black Magic? GoodHow?Alternatively. What makes a Tok cyoa good? Can you even answer?
>>96665504Inga shared the 8th seat with Erginter. She fated the king of the Old Throne into Zemlya, and she met him in an encounter similar to "Blood and Guts and Blood and Guts." I will die on this hill.
Tok makes a Tok cyoa good
>>96665687Inga is a more impressive and interesting character when she’s not an Outsider.
>>96665421What's with posters like this not wanting Icon of Icons to effect ANYTHING? What does it even do in his view that he hates it so much?
>>96665640Your bait is shit.
>>96665707>What does it even do in his view that he hates it so much?He's autistic, so he feels forced to include it in all of his builds
>>96665701Az-fags aren't true Outsiders anyway. Baf (potentially) is more of an Outsider than them.
>>96665724The issue is that he's trying to get the author >>96665421 to publicly support all his opinions, and he's enough of a pushover to follow along. I'm a mage with Icon of Icons, if it's not boosting my mental gifts, what is it doing for me, exactly? I'm not shooting eye beams or lifting giant swords, I'm casting spells, why is this guy trying to get the author to make it worthless for me?
>>96665744Meant to link to >>96665502 who is supporting the dumb "Icon of Icons only buffs eye and body gifts" shit now.
>>96665744Anon, tankista is trying to provide contextAll sincere interpretations are equally valid
>>96665707>>96665724I personally don't care much for it in builds where it doesn't work. I just think that the mental gifts are meant to be a simple boost that could be earned naturally. Wisdom, Martial Instinct and Caster Intuition are explicitly things that you could normally learn on your own. In that sense Icon of Icons can be too ambiguous in how it would work with them. Does every friend you make suddenly make you wiser if you are already wise? Does your cognitive speed increase exponentially or would the double change be so small it's basically the same?In my opinion every thing that makes a choice not feel like a must have at least to some people, is preferable.
>>96665763He just said it's a fair ruling, meaning that's what it does.
>>96665707It's some other anon posted, not me. RAW there are is no reasons to not include mental gifts and Ethereal Beauty in IoI boosts.
>>96665743Baf is interesting because she is Baphomet.
>>96665744>why is this guy trying to get the author to make it worthless for me?He's trying to make it worthless for him so he doesn't feel pressured to take it anymore; everyone is simply an unfortunate casualty.
>>96665701I disagree. Both Erginter's and Inga's flaws feel a lot more real if they're both outsiders. Erginter's PvP build feels much more human if she was motivated by fear of her 8th seat rival. Inga's attempt to claim the Exarchate throne also feels a lot less like an insane overreach if she's actually an Outsider.It's not as if the story is missing interesting non-Outsiders, too. Thaumiel, Omega, Rhcuphre, Yrde, Tun, Bal, and Mithra are all already Outsider-tier impressive, off the top of my head.
>>96665625>What would the Anti-texts teach you? I assume that Polluden magic would be heavily genie and middle east inspired with things like binding things to items or vice versa, seeing the astral plane and interacting with spirits for aid or too trap them.It should be something more related to sealed stuff, creation of magical items, spiritual stuff, meditation and perhaps magical martial arts based magic. I'll define it more when I establish every single religion like I said earlier.>And just an opinion, but after the update, Tsoshu ended up being the least developed continent, or rather the one with the least plotlines. Maou and the empire are the only things relevant to it. Perhaps adding some gifts or mentors with things related to it would be fun if you decide to do it. It would just be Asian inspired so I it would be easy to picture how their magic and culture works.The same answer as above.Also, adoptable Siblings will (unless I change my mind) have characters from (almost) every Extended Human race. Maybe the Vishnian and the Citrine sisters will give you want you want.>>96665610>So, will IoI after Tenyota's conversion suffer from the same limitation?I think so, yes.>>96665584>Perhaps dying should seal the gift temporarilyMakes sense. If only there was enough space left on the option for me to state something like that.>>96665761I never said that.
>>96665701Anons can't imagine natives being able to do impressive shit without Outsider and Fate hax because they know they'd job without them. Some people would probably claim Rhucuphre was an Az build too if she were born 1 year earlier.
>>96665563>1. Having more Patron God options would be nice.There will be some for custom Siblings.>2. some [parents] could also reflect preferences of particular Patron God with discountThat could be possible if their numbers will end up being equal. I'll think about it.>3. With Inborn Gifts growing to three pages, it would be better to have them fully separate in categories with header bars and so on.I’ll just put the Eye, Arm and Leg gifts all on the same second page. Everything else should be neatly accessible anyway.>Also, Icon of Icons is a bloodline gift from Mithra but can be bought while Daemonhost and Warmachina Mounting are also bloodline gifts can’t be bought. Having option to buy them would be nice and make non-Daemonhost majin parents more attractive option without need to directly buff them or nerf Daemonhost parents.No, that would specifically nerf the Warmachina Mounting and Daemonhost parents into oblivion, making most of them useless. There is a value in exclusivity.>4. Since math part of languages and its mechanical bonuses are confirmed to going away, some of those extra bonuses can be added to locations and Encounters instead of just increasing the pool, so there is an element of choice.Some, sure, I suppose that makes sense.But the main point of removing these bonuses from Languages is so that players no longer have to deal with this and the draw some of them provide. Putting too much into Encounters would just make Encounters the new Languages, making people think some of them are obligatory when my goal is to make them more equal.>Encounters could also benefit from replacing some of Uruk Encounter with more variables like Encounter you put into an empty slot to trade away Mentor Slot for Companion Slot but with weaker bond established with new Companion and vice versa.>And having one personal Encounter would also be nice Call of Adventure detail in typical Hero's Journey fashionEh, I feel this is too much.
>>96665802>Mithra>Outsider-tier impressiveYou wish, call me once an Outsider manages to ascend Charlie explicitly doesn't count
>>96665772Aka you want to push to nerf it in every single way you can so it screws over as many potential builds as possible. You want to restrict it only to specific builds (eyes and martial builds relying on body gifts) and to screw over casters (who have mind gifts instead of these) in any way you can.>>96665797>I never said that.>>96665502>That's fair.
So what was Erginter's plan against being Fiert'd, Nash'd, or Tverdo'd?Was that why she wanted Empyreality? Because no sequential Outsider would let her live comfortably.
>>96665820Meant for >>96665787
>>96665820Pretty sure you meant to reply to >>96665787 (me). You're right, though. The most impressive named character in the setting already was not an Outsider.
>>96665818 (cont.)>5. And generally the current free bonus for each Patron God is on the weaker side and might not even be useful in any way depending on the build, so having it be more impactful would also be nice.This would be a big thing. I am not averse to it, but I need to consider this more.>6. Having examples of Letters of the Damned spells in Bonus Content would also be good. Or some generic Autoantecedences to measure expected power level.Something like this is already planned.>>96663074>Ask him what All-Glimpse shows when inside Ecumene territoryIt should work the same way, maybe with its range and depth cut down.>>96665825It still doesn't say what you say it does.This is just a CYOA. Icon of Icons will work the way you feel it's right for it to work in the end anyway.This argument about it is dumb. Don't drag me into this.
>>96665818Some of the Encounters already feel obligatory if they are available desu. The limited locations for them hard limit the variety you can do and some are mechanically far superior to others like Respawning Point which honestly made me pick up Jdan just to get access to.
>>96665779 (me)I found out what I wanted—multiplying gifts several times over was a deliberate decision by the author. From now on, I'll simply approach the setting with that in mind.Low fantasy, my ass.
>>96665866I already stated I plan on making them less restrictive, and with the increased number of characters you'd end up with more Encounters chosen in your build in the end.>>96665871>Low fantasy, my ass.In real life, humans went to the moon, vaporised two cities with superweapons and built even stronger ones, and developed AI. Does this mean real life is high sci fi? You would be retarded if you said yes.When I explained why I kind of classify the setting of Outer Reincarnation as low fantasy-ish, I gave a detailed explanation on why. I did it more than once, even. But you only read two words.
>>96665871I think he meant it's low magic compared to shit like magocratic convention or blood magic(the high ends of both) for most peopleIn the same comment where he said that, he mentioned he mostly meant that armies still matter
>>96665502>counterpart to DaemonhostAs a fan of feral Majin, I like this a lot, personally.
>>96665818It would be interesting if more encounters changed your relationship with the affected character, such as making a companion into a sparring partner (Like a half mentor) or making a mentor into an employee (Like a half companion)(Probably in some life debt to your parents)I do agree that just making them more expansive point options and slot swaps would be too muchThe numbers exist for the story, not the other way around, you shouldn't be writing your adventure solely to get mechanical benefits
>>96665828>Nash'd, or Tverdo'dDeath slot A.Fiert is a bit of an issue, yes. I personally plan to organize a double swap and then do all sorts of unpleasant things to any fucker who tries it on me.
>>96665964>Death slot A.Why the hell did Tleix have a B slot anyway?
>>96665964Anyone that still has their death slot is asking for 12th to give them something nasty
>>9666598212th would never do such a thing to her destined lover
>>96665979I personally assumed that Vtorusha's version of the Outsider System had a dice fudge equivalent that let her change someone's slot type. It was removed after Vtorusha Nash'd Tiax, because SRTR thought that was lame as shit.
>>96665818>>96665862Thanks for answers.>Putting too much into Encounters would just make Encounters the new Languages, making people think some of them are obligatory when my goal is to make them more equal.But I honestly don't think that would be the case.Encounters the way they are feeling like they allow for certain events to 100% happen and guarantee degrees of success and unique narrative opportunities you would not have otherwise.Between choices like killing Paxxia or using Dobrava on Exarchate civil war picking something like Loot In A Box instead feels already like suboptimal move if main goal is to unite Doria or use Outsider System to smooth some situations in your favor. Even if Loot In A Box would give few points, I would still never took it over better narrative opportunities. The only expectation being if Encounter with no larger benefits works too well with Mentor or Companion like with Thaumiel and Things That Shouldn't Be.In the same way of thinking, it is close to picking Omega and giving her Khier for points. I think there was like only one build which went for it?
>>96665989Tragic love is the best kind, and it lets you move on to the next husband with no strings attached.
>>96665982This is true, I'm changing mine to C with YMRD's help and then directly asking for Ouk.
>>96665982Can't farm Letter connections without it.
What cyoa have you this reaction
>>96666093Dragonfall
>>96666000Loot in a box could give you ANYTHING though.Imagine the endless possibilities
>>96665982I'm becoming the 12th beloved senpai so she will give me Zhivete. I trust Vtorusha 2 to not go mad with power and ambitions.
>>96666093Black Magic
>>96665912Tank why'd you nerf my boy One? Also when are you doing the same for Baf?
>>96666093Isekai Dark Overlord.
>>96665912Ok. IoI RAW is perfectly balanced, island-sized dragon and city-sized mech would be threatened by Victorian era weapons, who am I to argue? It's your setting. Wouldn't bother you anymore.
>>96666093Entropist
>>96666149I could beat both of those with victorian era weapons
>>96666093outer reincarnation, skipped the first versions because it just didn't catch my attention but with the new update and everyone commenting on the lore I just decided to give it a try and it is good
>>96666093Danmachi
>>96665862Speaking of expected power-level of open-ended gifts: roughly how powerful is a Majin 11's letter pf the damned intended to be? I ask because the gap between Yen's enhanced empathy and Ota's I-can't-believe-its-not-Khepri is pretty huge, and it can be hard to decide where a "fair" letter falls in that range.
>>96666187>Yen's enhanced empathyIt's pretty much an inborn Word of God, I don't know how that's bad especially for a free gift.
>>96666093Outer Reincarnation and Spirit Conscript.
Ok so what about this presentation for the powers of companions:>Aesthetic or main conceptThis would be the the free power that companions have without need to invest in them this will also offer the visual identity for all their other powers for example: >FireThen each power is divided in liminal and abyssal levels of power.Liminal being safe to use and always available while abyssal are her powers unleashed to their peak but only available in their apocalyptic form where they are in danger of losing their sanity.You only need to buy the power once to get both it's liminal and abyssal versions.For example>Liminal fireAbility to sense, control and generate fire and heat at will the power of these flames is enough to melt iron.This can be used as a sixth sense to detect heat signals those allowing for vision in almost any circumstance.>Abyssal fireAt this level of fire she can generate what can be called as platonic fire a substance akin to water and lightning it vaporises everything in its path only sacred artifacts offer any hope of protection againts its touch and even then only temporarily as by its nature the fire will slowly dissintegrate them with prolonged contact.Then common concepts available to all characters>ChildrenThe ability to infect normal humans with their concept granting them power and inhumanity.>RealmThe power to infect the world itself with their influence warping the enviroment or creating something like a reality marble.Then finally sub concepts that expand the capabilities of the character like sacrifice, passion, sword, etc.I think this works as the template.
>>96666093theres probably been a few of them, especially the longer cyoa's which i have trouble getting myself to read all the way through fsr, but i cant think of any of their names off the top of my head so ill go with one that i havent played but fell in love with the setting of when i finally started reading itjrpg traitor, the magic and martial arts systems within that setting, and all the things you can accomplish with them, as well as all the interesting lore pieces you find all over the place is just peak to me
>>96666203I very much doubt that the 2-point parent is intended to have an inborn version of 0^0's life's work. The description is about seeing people's hearts to find their worth, not freakish follow-through on cause and effect.
>>96666269>point scalingParents are priced on what you get from them; you can't inherit it from her, and she isn't guaranteed to become your companion. She also obviously isn't as good at it as 0^0. Aside from that point scaling has been proven to be dumb here.
>>96666093Isekai Repopulation Program
>>96663276B every single time! The other worlds are literally hell worlds, while B gives you everything you want! pic realted
>>96666303The lazy wizards should've just locked in and made the "oops, it's the other bard" exception canon
>>96666325>Tok loves the ultra-coomer degenerate world populated by more toks.Color me suprised.
>>96663276If you pick b you can become the most prolific serial killer of all time, and given their slow reproduction, permanently shape the world to your willThey are fucking idiots standing upon the most wealth any being has ever hadIt would just be you, your daughterwives and as many ships and slaves as you want
>>96664452Speaking of Sylen, Sylen is one of my favorite authors, and I inspired him to fill out his last page, which had all the "good shit" (lewd options). Originally the last page was not 10 000px long so I sent him a google doc with suggestions and a whole folder filled to the brim with appropriate witcher porn set in the same art style as the rest of the CYOA. So if you enjoyed the Witcher update, you can go ahead and thank me for contributing to the exquisite debauchery that was added to the last page. Toss a coin to your TokHaar~
>>96663681My old build minus write-faggotry. A few points left. Been meaning to finish and flesh out for ages.A Body Before Time Itself:- Force Sex (Male)- Alter Appearance- Secret/Boosted Physiology- Danger SenseDestiny Awaits:- SourceControl the Chaos:- Faithful Friend/Carnal Companion/Chance For Greatness- Second Conjunction- Universal Wounds- VranAcademies of Magic:- Ban Ard (No Beautification)Learning Potential:- Air + Empowered + Legend- Portal Creation- Enchant + Golem Creation- RitualismSkills & Knowledge:- Artist + Improve (Dollmaking)- Craftmanship + Improve + Mastery (Dollmaking)- Goetia- Charisma- Etiquette + Beyond Reason- Luck + ImproveFated Friend:A Body Before Time Itself:- Force Sex- Attractive- Secret/Boosted PhysiologyDestiny Awaits- NobilitySkills and Knowledge:- Master Charisma- Master Lovemaking- Knowledge: Etiquette- Knowledge: Economics- Knowledge: Whispers- Knowledge: The SeaNobility and Grandeur:- Rule: Honorable- Lineage: DuchyDomain:- Vassalage: CountyFarmlandMining IndustryCityCastle x2BrothelArtisan Industry (All Excess), +(Artisan Goods)Smithing Industry -2 Minerals, +2 Advanced Equipment)SeaportCastleLands and Climate:Cold Mountains + Biting Frost Fractured Islands + Terrible StormsPrivate Court:- (Wizard MC)Power Projection:- Men At Arms x3- Personal Guard- Heavy Archers- MarinesEvents:- Strong Culture- The New World>>96664020I know that there were build reviews but Sylen didn't do them. At least I don't think he did.
>>96666297It's not points scaling, it's sanity-checking. You're running off in a completely wild direction that has literally no textual support. Her letter is Dobro, it's about judging people's worth. Worth is not at all related to the concept of cause and effect.
>>96663681>The best page was not posted
>>96666237Looks fine to me.
>>96666402Can we stop posting image builds of Tok without warning? I was in the train and now I am faruiosjuikly masturbating to his tranny ass. People are looking at me weird and I will have problems for this. Fuck you
>>96666383>If you pick b you can become the most prolific serial killer of all time, and given their slow reproduction, permanently shape the world to your willThe problem is their godlike AI caretakers. If they decide to protect them then you're screwed. But knowing how retarded that civilisation is, if you frame your murder spree in a fun entertainment package they'll probably come to you on their own. Think Space Squid Games.
>>96666402Can you stop posting images of tok without provocation?I was masturbating on a public train and now I vomited all over another mans dickThis should be a goonsafe space, no transvestites or stds
>>96666383I don't see why you would want to, you could probably get most of that without murdering people just by asking, people going around and living out in space is just how their society works.
>>96666373Enjoy dying in your hell world anon. B has easily accessible eternal youth, tons of games, movies and art to enjoy. You can spend all of your days experiencing the best life has to offer. You can just sink all your time into 1 area and explore it until you reach a mastery that only an immortal can reach. Whether it is painting, writing, lovemaking, or whatever else you desire. Then when you have reach the absolute mastery of your skill you can move on and continue to grow and improve. It is a world of desire and delight. You can revel in the best life has to offer, and there is no downside to it. No debt or price to be paid.
>>96666368But I *like* the fact that every elf in the setting has a mom who can punch with the force of a small nuclear weapon.
>>96666402Can we stop posting images of Tok without warning?I was vomiting on the public masturbators and I am now jumping onto the train tracks.The conductor's looking at me weird and I will have problems for this.Fuck you
>>96666000>picking Omega and giving her Khier for points. I think there was like only one build which went for it?Please don´t remind me, why burden me with the memory now?
>>96666446I feel like most of it would be me convincing people to give me admin access to their ship and them me cutting all power and removing the backup generatorThen once they had starved a bit I would kill the lotI actually don't need slaves now that I think of it, what with the aiLaw enforcement is explicitly adverse to work, So I just need to fillabuster and then dissaperImply more work at every opportunity, and imply I won't do it againI could probably avoid most of the robots by claiming it was consentual or an accidentBabies are eaten, so I don't think their laws are particularly advanced or difficult to get aroundThe real issue Is maintaining secrecy so that I can scale>>96666466The artifice of man shaping the cosmosEnacting your will unto the worldI am left in a room with a blade and millions of deserving sinners, what am I to do but clear way for empire?It's ok if you have a plebian phenotype but I naturally crave the construction of dynasty
Black powder exists in OR and works both in and out of of the Ecumene. Smokeless powder and other fun stuff work on the same fundamental chemistry as black powder, and can be made using the same ingredients. Plus a few readily available substances (for a medieval or beyond society), depending on what you’re making. Furthermore, black powder was “invented” by 0^0, which implies that it was created using Earth tech in much the same way that black powder was made in real life. Vtorusha appears to hold an AK-style rifle (and other outsider firearm relics appear relatively modern), though these could have been magical in nature.In other words, I believe that ww2-cold war tier weapons could be achieved rather quickly if you have the knowledge. Charlie and her lmao line warfare army would 100% get steamrolled by an army using trench warfare, mortars, and machine guns. Let alone stuff like rocket launchers, tanks, mines, planes, etc. Even better, it would cause her to seethe immensely as you beat her at her own game.Am I wrong?
>>96666519>a post scarcity society?>I WOULD CHIMP OUT AND START KILLING PEOPLE!!!!!nigger what
>>96666545It would be slow and restrained, more like that one tiger that killed hundreds of indiansAlso, I would bring scarcity back
>>96666519Your not 'shaping the fabric of the cosmos' and they aren't 'deserving sinners' (For the most part), your just being a dickhead for the sake of being a dickhead and to assuage your own insecurities by inflicting pain on others. You can do any of the stuff you want without having to bother anyone, people like you are the reason societies break down, not why they form.
>>96666000>I think there was like only one build which went for it?More than one, one coped that giving her Zhivete would make it have no consequences, and the other wanted to cheat it by redeeming Charlotte, never mind how fating her kill her daughter would affect that.
>>96666545Thats the endline of hedonism.
>>96666559Don't worry anon scarcity will never stop existing>>96666545Post scarscity is a meme it will never happen because we will always find something to fight over and build hireachies around it.
>>96666564Are there any good Charlie-redeemers? Maybe Eros?
>>96666560>they aren't 'deserving sinners' THEY EAT BABIES!
>>96666560I haven't made such claims to passion as you assume, and I do think people that eat babies are quite beneath meVirtue is a defining traitIf I leave the infected alive they will surely be the death of me, in some cruel (Ironic I know) game of theirs
>>96666572Only for low iq third world apes.
>>96666576>Post scarscity is a meme it will never happen because we will always find something to fight over and build hireachies around it.That's what the all-powerful impartial AI overseers are for anon.
>>96666589So all posters ITT?
>>96666589I am white, and the people of b are mostly black and non european
>>96666589>Only for low iq third world apes.That's what hedonists are, yes.
>>96666594>That's what the all-powerful impartial AI overseers are for anon.I fail to see how they could fix the issue.
>>96666545>nigger whatIt's normal for B "people" to eat babies. I think that anon's hatred is justifiable. OTOH, it's the definition of insanity to voluntarily spend the rest of your life in a place that you hate.
>>96666578I had a solo build that I never posted go for it. The central idea was trying to give Mlada Ouk by way of Qoppa with an Ouk-cursed item. As a priestess of 0^0 looking to redeem her goddess, Mlada being fated to reach the height of her craft should do a lot of work for you.
>>96666581>>96666587Firstly, the act of eating the baby is not inherently evil, killing it is, once it has developed sapience. Secondly this is grounds for a discussion which you could very easily call and win due to your greater attention span, not mass murder on people who have done you no harm.>>96666602You somehow manage to individually refute any staments about high-trust societies on your lonesome anon, truly impressive.
>>96666610>I fail to see how they could fix the issue.Simple, if a utopia isn't possible due to human nature, then the "human" element must taken out of the equation in all matters of decision making.
>>96666613You'd be surprised at how many people force themselves to play a cyoa with a setting they hate instead of simply finding something else to do.
>>96666633>the act of eating the baby is not inherently evilwat
We are approaching the anniversary of one of our greatest CYOAs.What will you do to celebrate this special moment?
>>96666633>SapienceAnd If I simply deign the b natives not to be sapient?I am starting to feel like you are just opposing my genocide for the sake of it
>>96666643Just seeing her face is enough to send me into a seething rage. Is this love wifebeaterbros?
>>96666665No?
>>96666665>Just seeing her face is enough to send me into a seething rage.The true boomer marriage experience.
>>96666621*Mada, not MladaThis is not the first time I've made that mistake
>>96666683It would be a funny love triangle.
>>96666656I am opposing your genocide on the basis that it's retarded and exists for no reason.>>96666652I knew this would get a kneejerk reaction but if you've solved the physiological issues which they clearly have, then there is effectively no difference between non-sapient human flesh and any other form of animal meat.Once again I will remind you that if you dislike the practice you can just convince some people and vote to have it banned.
>>96666621Huh, thats a really clever idea. Sarmat was right, smart use of the outsider systems fate fuckery is far superior to brute forcing things with powerwanked builds.
>>96666702Icon of Icons truthers, don't look...
>>96666702Sarmat is the most overrated outsider and a total jobber martialkek
>>96666633>the act of eating the baby is not inherently evilHabit determines a personA habit of eating babies is a very bad habit, that leads to very bad placesTherefore, eating babies makes you a bad personOn the topic of sentience, why? Why would I draw that particular line in the sand at that particular place?Babies being completely defenseless Is a large part of the issue with killing themIf we were to take a truly utalitarian approach we couldn't judge anyone, because we cannot see the future, nor can we know entirely how others feel>>96666696If you are going to change your values why not just accept the people die and move on? why set an arbitrary goal of avoiding death or seeking pleasure or anything else?Not eating babies is as worthy a goal as any>Ask them to stopWhy would they do that?Can you convince tok to stop posting here with your oh so capable charisma?Retards cannot be reasoned with because they do not perceive the world, only their surroundings
>>96666718Doubtful. That's either "One", Vtorusha or Aat.
>>96666655kill tok
>>96666739Vtorusha Is a fucking hero
>>96666718>overrated Nah, Sarmat's not rated highly enough. He caused the triple chain of Erginter, 0^0 and Keter that ruined the setting after he solved too many plots in his era. He alongside Tuzik are also the only ones to know what they want out of their builds, execute their build concept perfectly, and die on their own terms. All the others fucked up somewhere along the way.>total jobber martialkekIronically I think its his commitment to being a martial that made him use the Outsider System well. He knew martials are trash but he liked the theme so the limitations pushed him to use the Outsider System to its fullest.
>>96666749>M*ddish>Trve Jobbernah
>>96666749Vtorusha was an idiot who thought everyone would ascend over infinite time so it was fine for the world to continue on without meaning or purpose for trillions of years. Delaying everyone's ascent because she was a dumb atheist who hated gods is selfish.
>>96666835DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE SPEAK ABOUT MY WIFE THAT WAY
>>96666853You can't fuck a chair.
>>96666853Everyone is riding your wife.
>>96666093Black MagicThought it was absurd to have a CYOA of nothing but text and low magic back in 2019 but reading it was great
>>96666835She didn't hate the gods and it seems that even after all she truly believed in [JNPL] plan and she in turn never lost her patronage, she just thought that the gods shouldn't intervene for people to create their own tales to enrich their souls. It was a difference in opinions that caused her to assault the heavens.Her followers do hate the gods though.They killed their perfect leader and sisterwife.
>>96666958She didn't believe in JNPL's plan. She wanted the gods to step back and stop interacting with the world, she wanted mortals to blindly search for their own Meaning. Over a long enough time they'd ascend just from that, but there'd be no one helping them find Meaning. JNPL's plan is her direct everyone's life to incrementally increase their Meaning even if by only a little, Vtorusha didn't want that.
>>96666974She wanted people to determine their own path to ascension. There's no indication that her proposed alternative was "just leave us alone, mannnn". The fact that Rhucuphre's evil plan is a mockery of Vtorusha's vision indicates something else, in fact.
>>96666974She had the same idea as [JNPL], over enough time, people will find meaning and ascend, she merely thought that there wasn't a need for the gods encouraging their stories, they would do it themselves. It's mentioned even that she went to the three pillars to argue her point to the gods directly, not necessarily to depose them. It does seem her constant conquests and her less than ideal allies slowly warped her idea into absolute Solipsism.
Anons want to hate the Muddish so bad they're invebting villainy where there is none.
>>96667028>ly, not necessarily to depose themSays the girl in the giant violent super robot. What do you think she'd do if the gods didn't agree with her?
>>96667067Do like Yphont and go cry in the corner
>>96667067Defend them from the attacking True Dragons. You know, the thing that actually happened.
>>96667095They weren't part of her plan when building the giant stompy robot, anon.
>>96667104The giant stompy robots were built for the War of Heaven and Earth. She had two enemied in that war: One's army on the Heavenly side, and the True Dragons. Both were absolutely part of her thinking.
>anon cannot comprehend the dao of the giant robotNgmi
>>96667119The robot was built to break into heaven. That's what its power was.
>>96667195>daoJump through the nearest window.
Giant robots only lead to suffering
>>96667203Nah, I'd win.
I went through an inordinately long amount of time writing up a description for the Usurper's list-filler infantry unit choice, as if they were being described from a book relating to the era. They may be slightly overtuned on equipment, and to be honest I think the way I write sucks. If interested, I will post it, preferably in the new thread as this one is reaching bump limit. It's somewhat long and feels like it's stolen from a historical or something, including some parts stolen outright from Fall of the Samurai.
>>96667266I'd be interested. Why not use a rentry or something similar if you're worried about the space?
>>96667203The kino kind of suffering though not the faggy kind like mathemagic.>>96667266Why wait for a new thread? Just post it here and then repost it again in the next thread.
>>96667203Vtorusha was going for gurren lagann but ended up with evangelion
>>96667280>>96667275https://rentry.co/botantikratorconscriptBLADES OF THE ANTIKRATOR: ECUMENE CONSCRIPTAs promised. A few things I should probably fix:a) What's the actual rank terminology for Ecumene forces, what kind of words does she use in Entramithraic? (Using greek as placeholders, since crystal spires and togas etcetera.) She'd probably define ranks by some fucking mathematics bullshit, now that I think about it.b) What's the actual deployment organization for a Ecumene unit, starting with these guys? I know she'd be dumb enough to make her units-per-company some mathematical reference instead of anything sensible, but apart from that I don't know. c) Should they be further nerfed? Even in hands this poor, caplock Minie ball is still FUCKING HORRIFYING. That range/energy retention and reload speed advantage is no joke, there's a reason cuirasses were eventually discarded completely.d) Finally, what should be the actual name for this unit? I've just been using "Conscript" as a placeholder, but it should again be some kind of base mathematical or physics function to fit with her autism.
>>96667334>tfw I can't parse through the /k/ textIQ deficiency, sorry.
>>96667334Very nice job anon. The NATO/Globohomo aesthetic of the conscript is good. The overuse of Earth terminology makes it feel like it was written by an Outsider rather than a native, though it's possible the writer is a native from the Exarchate.>What's the actual rank terminology>What's the actual deployment organizationBesides mathematics bullshit 0^0 could just ripoff US or NATO ranks and deployments, though I'd imagine like her implementation of physics her implementation would be mangled since she doesn't look like a /k/ regular.>Should they be further nerfed?I'm not a military hobbyist so I can't comment much on how strong or weak they are. If you ask me they're balanced enough though. The fact that their morale is abysmal is basically a blank cheque for you to fuck Charlie's army up. To beat them its not hard to take a page from glowniggers and encourage mass defections, rebellions and civil wars. Poor training lets you aura farm by slaughtering them en masse. Their one advantage in good guns and gear is also not hard to steal and copy for Dorian forces that have much better training and morale.>What should be the actual name for this unitEcumene Conscript wouldn't be out of place in Time of Troubles, it works as it is if you ask me.
>>96664341>cum-fueled FTL drive economythat sounds based though, where this from?
>>96667573Empress. It's an abandonned WIP of his.
>>96667602>Empress. It's an abandonned WIP of his.Very cool cyoa, by the way. He got as far as the first round of planets you could visit, and really did some neat things, like letting you buy into megacorps in lieu of factional allegiance.
I miss back when I enjoyed cyoas
>>96663276Why did you split the thread THIS time? The other one was up a good five hours before you posted yours.
>>96667749We've reached image limit early thanks to the high school CYOA. Anon immediately created a new thread.
>>96667334>plastic water bottlesHighly unlikely. Plastic is an advanced technology, especially when you are talking about a “cheap” water bottle. It implies an order of magnitude more infrastructure and knowledge than the Ecumene should have if you want to be consistent with how it has been portrayed thus far. You just wouldn’t ever be able to make a plastic canteen while still using civil war tier caplock muskets. The radio and heads up display can be justified with magic, but this is pure chemistry and manufacturing.
>>96666535You're attempting to apply physics of our world to a world that explicitly doesn't behave in the most basic ways like ours. Additionally, "WW2" and "Cold War" era technology requires production chains, knowledge, and craftsmen far beyond the current setting. Perhaps not forever, but you can't just tell peasants to "Build A Factory" and poof! You're building T-55s!I do not envy any Hero trying to jump-start microcircuit technology in an era of black powder and magical demons.
>>96667870Alright, sure. I was just using it for the NATO aesthetics and because it's light -- burgerstanis used them a lot during the Global War on Terror as disposable water containers. What should I replace them with for the task? (Disposable water container, light, few contaminants that make him immediately worse at fighting, cheap.) (Assume access to soft sci-fi materials science.)
>>96667496>>96667334Charlotte uses Christianity rip-off terminology so she'd probably steal her terms from religious knightly orders like the Templars and Hospitaliers.
>>96663956he doesn't, he just guessses
>>96663956Of course, it's all because Tok mocked him and defiled the thread with samefagging once like three years ago. Anon then spent days in the archives looking at Tok posts to decipher his writing style, posting habits, usual tells...He's still waiting for the signs.
>>96664751>killing bonuses from languagesThen why even have language be a meaningful thing? I like coming up with ideas based around a nation and their language buffs, even if it isn't all balanced and kind-of silly. "I only know one language, and somehow that gives me innate knowledge and power of dairymancy." is fun if you want to be a dairymancer.
>>96668129I have literally no idea what you are talking about, and I don't think I can recall std ever speaking to physicskike
What should we start the new thread with?
>>96667963It is unreasonable to say that black powder would work, but for some reason, nothing else would. That’s like saying throwing a baseball would work fine but throwing a football just wouldn’t, because “physics is different”.If you’re asserting that something wouldn’t be internally consistent with everything else we’ve been shown, then you need an actual justification for that. And I see no indication of that within the CYOA. Without a reason it’s just “the football would stop midair because I say so”.>Additionally, "WW2" and "Cold War" era technology requires production chains, knowledge, and craftsmen far beyond the current setting.Not really. You could could make copious amounts of [REDACTED] with nothing but some glassware and a still borrowed from the local brewery. Scaling that up isn’t terribly hard. Mass production is easier in many regards than hand crafting everything, especially as individual skill goes. Better to make jigs and dies and molds than to make every last detail by hand every time.Not to mention all the shortcuts you could take by just slotting in magic where tech used to go. Need something cold? Ice magic. Need something to float? Dragon jelly. Need energy? Lightning magic.You probably aren’t going to be pumping out hundreds of bombers and tens of thousands of shells a day, but honestly you probably could do even that with some magic bullshit maker’s brush cheat skill.Really, from the 19th to the mid 20th century, progress was a matter of knowledge. They had the components, and once they figured out how to combine them in the right way they went from horses and buggies to landing on the moon in like 60 years.
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>>96668280>It is unreasonable to say that black powder would work, but for some reason, nothing else would. That’s like saying throwing a baseball would work fine but throwing a football just wouldn’t, because “physics is different”.>If you’re asserting that something wouldn’t be internally consistent with everything else we’ve been shown, then you need an actual justification for that. And I see no indication of that within the CYOA.>Without a reason it’s just “the football would stop midair because I say so”.Jumping in: There are two possible reasons that might be true. First, something is actively suppressing high level tech. NBC had a tv show called "Revolution", for example, where rogue nanites went after anything with an electrical charge. Dropped the entire world back into the era of steam engine technologies, as capacitors, batteries, and the like could no longer hold a charge.The second possibility is the world isn't based on quantum mechanics. Instead, the universe is based on some other system, one that doesn't allow electrons to move freely -or doesn't have electrons at all - and achieves Newtonian mechanics via that other system.In either setting, tech restrictions would make perfect sense.To tie this back into CYOAs, Scottish Anon used a form of tech suppression in his Guardians cyoa. The Fallen Star needs advanced tech to repair itself, and any isekaied individuals who try and advance the tech level will quickly find agents of the Fallen Star raiding their facilities.
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>>96667986Dunno if there’s anything truly disposable at that level. Maybe bamboo or gourds? But it would be easier to just keep using it until it falls apart. Tin, wood, or leather were common. Maybe bladders or other stuff like that.I wonder if you could farm empyreans for their leather
>>96668280You're presuming, in a world of magic and dragons, chemistry will just work like it does on earth. That you can somehow whip up a competent workforce out of backwards peasants only knowing high technology as either A.) mysterious artifacts from another era, or B.) weapons wielded by an enemy nation that has already conquered more than half the world. Such a process isn't so simple or quick, not saying its impossible, but you're setting your sights pretty high for a backwater.There are alot of things that go into such projects, beyond even the mere act of crafting and shaping steel and component parts. Social movements, politics, philosophy, infrastructure shifts, etc. which is what grew such developments IRL. Granted, you probably could skip alot of that but never all of the process. (Pretender #2 did, #9 also did, doubtlessly there where others)
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>>96668280It isn't necessarily the same black powder, it doesnt need the same ingredientsAll we know is that there is a powder that can explosively combust, what means it uses to do this are unknown
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>>96668342>>96668376Jumping in to say I appreciate these perspectives because I’ve often thought very similar things about fantastical settings, but many people simply don’t think in those terms. Or choose not to.
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Fiction is the domain of imagination, and some of y'all have really poor imaginations.
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>>96668445I don't like this perspective because it limits my power level.
>>96668465Skill issue of an uncreative.
>>96668461Don't "y'all" me you whore
>>96668422>It isn't necessarily the same black powder, it doesnt need the same ingredients>All we know is that there is a powder that can explosively combust, what means it uses to do this are unknownThe Guns of Avalon, right?
>>96668490I have no idea what you are referencing but it sounds cool
>>96668495Roger Zelazny's Chronicles of Amber series, about two feuding families of planeswalkers. Everyone believes that gunpowder doesn't work in the home universe of the Unicorn-sponsored planeswalkers. . . except for the protagonist who nearly killed himself while polishing some jewelry bought in the "Avalon" universe. Being sloppy, he'd thrown the polishing rag into a fire, only for it to explode. So, a couple of centuries later, when he needed to make a power move, he went back to Avalon, bought a literal ton of the local jewelry polishing compound, and then carted back to our universe, to be made into bullets. Turns out that dragon riders aren't enough to beat infantry armed with fully automatic assault rifles.
>>96668342#1 is explicitly not the case in OR, I believe it’s the uplifting youth option that mentions it.#2 could be true, or it could not be true. It’s ambiguous. However, this is a fair bit lower down than cool clay that explodes real good, and it could or could not make a difference. From a meta perspective, gunpowder is often the “hard stop” that fantasy settings are given. Going beyond that and even into late renaissance is a deliberate choice. If you are explicitly inviting more technological or magitech elements into your setting, I’d think the next closest commonly used “cap” is steampunk tier technology.>>96668422Considering that Charlie popularized it, I think it’s relatively safe to say it’s at least close to the Earth formula. She doesn’t seem to bring much in the way of actual inventions, just ripping off Earth tech. Plus the idea that several outsiders (but not natives) independently created it lends credence to the idea that it’s similar enough to Earth.Also the entire concept of crop rotation (more charlietech) is based on nitrogen fixation which is tangentially related.
>>96668516>Turns out that dragon riders aren't enough to beat infantry armed with fully automatic assault rifles.Man that sounds lame as shit. I hate when cool fun fantasy things get defeated by mundane boring shit like fucking assault rifles.
>>96668526The youth section specifically notes that Charlotte's introduced physics to the world based on her highschool understanding of our physics. That's why the option dedicated to studying it tells you that it's superficially similar but when you put it under a microscope, you'll spot all kinds of novel differences and interactions completely unlike our physics, which are up to you and other burgeoning scientists to discover.
>>96668516Intriguing, although I think alternatives to gunpowder exist
Any recommendations for horror CYOAs?
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>>96665802Knowing that the Gods made Maou as a villain to Charlie, isn't it obvious that Rhucuphre was made to oppose One? "Things have an inherent meaning" vs. "Things don't have an inherent meaning".
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>>96668674>Rhucy is One's sloppy secondsSay it ain't so.
>>96668694NonsenseThe family elf must be passed down, in an unbroken chain, from man to manWhy would an evil elf be any different
>>96668570The youth section also explicitly states that the elder gods never held back technological progress, which is what I was referencing.
>>96668674>God confused and upset that the hero and villain they created did Good and Evil thingsFucking fraudulent bastards.
Thinking about making a mentor maxxed untimeskip build. Caster intuition/spiritual feel is enough.https://youtu.be/6vMO3XmNXe4?si=E3bOpT2ZKka0EQrV
>>96668674She didn't become the madwoman that she currently is until 85 years after One's death at the absolute earliest, because that's when the Eternal Curse became a thing. Young Rhucy would'vd been like the rest of the Maevians, elven youth who opposed the Firstborn Empire gerontocracy, who sided with Vtorusha and then betrayed her during the WoH&E. She's more connected to Vtorusha than One.I don't see it. The timeline doesn't work.
>>96668734>The youth section also explicitly states that the elder gods never held back technological progress, which is what I was referencing.I could see JNPL or SRTR doing so at some point. Industrialization and mass conscription really did a number on traditional heroics and the importance of individuals.
>>96668758Scrapped plotline via outsider intervention. Had Vtorusha not gone to war with One, things would have been different
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>>96668769In what direction would it have gone?
>>96668789War against the TRVE DRAGONS who win in this timeline because Vtorusha doesn’t have her mech to stop them.
>>96668694>>96668724It would be a dream to have her added to One's companion selection with implied True Love being used on her.>and to make a mockery of the ambition of the first Outsider to rebel.Having her initial snap into her new role be related to One's death and hate for Vtorusha.With option to have her finally be reunited with One if you pick him and Dice Fudge-Adoption her.
>>96668766Industrial War murdered the concept of Heroism. It's no wonder they saw where that was going, then swerved to avoid that. How would anyone ascend to Godhood if they had to duck and cover in trenches, avoiding deadly gas and more horrific things.
>>96668817>Industrial War murdered the concept of Heroism. It's no wonder they saw where that was going, then swerved to avoid that. How would anyone ascend to Godhood if they had to duck and cover in trenches, avoiding deadly gas and more horrific things.Maybe the heroism of the front line infantryman. Special forces, medical, and the like arguably survived.
>>96668817>Industrial War murdered the concept of Heroism.There was never any heroism in the first place, industrial war just involved more people. The average conscript peasant getting dismembered by blades or shot with arrows or into turned into paste by cannonfire isn’t any more heroic than a mobik getting droned. It’s just that you can now watch it happen.
>>96668769I mean that's possible, but there's no evidence of it. It's like saying Herleva was written for Erginter just because she was born close enough to he an Erginter villain. I don't think a nearby birthday and a possible thematic conflict is enough to go by.Rhucy's story as we know it starts with her moment of transcendent truth, which was sometime between -765 and -725. Her description directly says "that's how her path started". It's unlikely that the Rhucuphre of One's time was anything like the Rhucuphre of today. Maevians of his era were idealists rising up against Eldar injustice. Her spirit hasn't been broken yet, she needs more time to cook to be a good villain.
>>96668884Well, there's examples like Joan of Arc and Horatio at the Bridge. Can you see that happening today?I will agree that there was a lot of wishful thinking and romanticization going on, though.
>>96668907And hey - you've got the Red Baron there, in the early days of aerial dogfights.
>>96668907It was easier to romanticize. Distant for most, yet very close and personal, small-scale but overflowing with grand stories. And so the magic spell held its allure, then cameras and print shattered it. Can't gaslight a population into the romance of War when they can see themselves the cold calculations that lead to mountains of bodies.>>96668874Ah yes, because I've never seen a story of medics and spec-ops getting chewed up and spat out from the grinding gears of War.
>>96668929Heroics and a good story aren’t the same thing, either. Like half of the most popular pieces of media from the past 100 years have a “war is hell” theme
>>96668198See >>96665502Dairymancy is staying, +X AP bonuses are getting killed and replaced with tambourine dance.
>>96668758She still needed to be in position/have the fate to hit all of the "This world has no meaning." triggers, and the Gods expected One to live a lot longer than he did with Soul Revolving taking the exact same endspace that Everlasting took in every Outsider that didn't inherit it did. Like, Maou literally only appeared a year before Charlie's False Ascent, the Gods had no qualms setting up long games.
>>96668969Damn I fucking love The Tambourine.
>>96668884>The average conscript peasantPeople still spread the myth that this is who fought most wars?
>>96668910AKMBallistic VestEastern GrinderDrone JammerMedkitUkrainian for DummiesMedvedPriest VasilyS-K LineHorse SenseTank YouYou’re going to BakhmutCold and AloneI’d win.
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>>96669025>myth
>>96669046Yes it's a myth. Throughout history, the majority of battles have been fought by trained professionals, not peasant levies, who were a tool of last resort.
>>96669063No.
>>96669129Yes. Do your research.
>>96669063Professionals vs peasants is a false dilemma, most warriors in history were neither.
