Inner Circle of Averland edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread: >>96662504>TQ: Are you planning on making any new armies from the most recent AJ?
>>96680254>TQ500 pt forces of Beastmen, Vampire Counts and Ogres and whichever i like most becomes my next full army.I'm hoping its beastmen.
>>96680254>TQThe border Princes list sounds like really fun and could provide good modeling opportunities.
Would the be'lakor model from 6th ed look completely out of place in an army consisting of models entirely from 5th edition or earlier? I've been thinking of getting a daemon prince and an opportunity has presented itself to get be'lakor's model for a fair price, but I'm worried the aesthetics will clash.
>>96680532You're going to have to be a bit more specific on the models imo, it depends.
>>96680532he's a very cool model, but I don't think he has too many modern design cues that would mark him out as looking too out of place next to some old warriors or demonstake for example the old bloodletters, you can see many parallel designs, if you paint him up in a similar scheme I think he will look properly special without looking too out of place next to them
>>96680600He would be leading this army, more or less. Excuse the poor lighting.>>96680613I'd be worried about him looking out of scale, but you're right. I'll have to think about it. I would very much prefer getting the 5th ed daemon prince with a sword, but I haven't been able to find one for a fair price.
>>96680723>I'd be worried about him looking out of scalehe's not that big actually, maybe even smaller than the previous ones
>>96680723He will fit right in
Going with the bigger shields is objectively the better choice right?
>>96680532I have that mini (your chaos warriors too) and I assure you, anon, that model looks great next to ANY models.
>>96680766Smaller looks much better imo
The wga halflings would be best used as empire troops right? Anyone know any other place to source plastic half-ling minis?
Long shot but does anyone happen to remember a pic shares here a few weeks/months ago of some dwarf concept art that featured ridiculously "round" armour? It's been on my mind lately but when I have so little to go off it's kinda hard to search.
>>96680766Those large shields were used exclusively by infantry, anon. Go with the small ones.
>>96680796I don't want to be mean so I'll just post a picture and refrain from expressing my true feelings.
>>96680723Oh it's you! Yeah I will echo the others and say that he will fit right in. Like the others also said, he isn't as big as you'd think he is.
>>96680766I think the smaller ones look better, but if you like the bigger ones, then go for it. There's more room for fun heraldry/designs.
>>96680809Google pavises, anon. Second: don't you think there's something odd on your picture? Yes, it's a fucking scale that's off.
>>96680848Did you just mistake a normand shield for a pavise? Jesus dude you're even more clueless than I thought.
You guys really play like THIS??
>>96680861>look mom I posted it again
>>96680861No, cuz I play, casual games with dashes of narrative thrown in to make the games fun
>>96680859No, you fucking retard, I didn't. Pavise isn't what you think it is - it's simply a large shield used by infantry. If you compare shields that were worn by Normans you will notice that LARGE shield like on the right were worn by infantry and smaller shields by cavalry. YES - Normans.
>>96680881You're hopeless.
>>96680861I refuse to play with my armies until I have fully painted them AND may have some scatter terrains related to them or a specific area
>>96680848>Are you planning on making any new armies from the most recent AJ?No and I'm kind of losing interest in TOW, although that's mostly due to my own faction choices. My two favorite factions and what I play are not officially supported by James and one of them is at the bottom of the barrel. I tried sticking with what I love but at some point it starts to feel futile for me and for my opponents because of how easily I just get tabled. My opponents are really friendly about it and offer to make concessions to make it more equal, and I appreciate the gentlemanly sportsmanship, but that doesn't sit well with me either. I may just have to take a break and come back when my factions do make their inevitable return.
Threadly reminder
>>96680897Kino
>>96680881>bro watches one schola gladiatoria video
>>96680861While eating chipotle? Fuck yeah!
>>96680915>>96680861Eating at the table is simply boorish, you're supposed to eat before or after a game, ideally after at a pub with a pint so you can discuss your game.
I know Beastmen were cut from AoS for TOW but did they stop selling the Herdstone? thats a classic piece of modern terrain!
>>96680780Maximini and Mantic.
>>96681136stormcast and kharadron helmets on the ground. though i think it would've been easy enough to remove them
>>96681910Re-cutting the steel moulds isn't quite trivial.
>>96680766The smaller heater shield is more appropriate to the tech/history level of Bretonnians. But if you're knights have lots of mail and not lots of plate armour then maybe they're old fashioned.>>96680881I think you may be mistaken anon. Part of it may be you're interpreting the shield on the model to be larger than others.But still, as per my picture norman kite shields could be quite large and infantry shields could be much smaller. Additionally, I've never seen pavise shields shaped anything like a kite shield- they're generally wider at the bottom instead of narrow like a kite shield.
>>96681136Love this model but I can't not see it as a comical stumpy penguin-like effigy with little legs, especially not after https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZyPIh5_6ps
>>96680766I like the bigger one better. But then again I am s dwarf enjoyer and always think s good shield is a big shield.
>>96681910Wtf is a khara—never mind, I don't want to know
>>96680766Smaller fit better I think.But you can use shield size to differentiate between units.
>>96682606Embarrassingly performative post
>>96680766No. Kite shields look retarded on 14th century knights. That would be like using a Napoleonic rifle in WW2, it sort of works, but it's fucking stupid and less effective.>>96680881>Pavise isn't what you think it is - it's simply a large shield used by infantryYou're a retard kek. I bet you think they did the Stronghold Crusader thing where they kept the pavise on their backs to reload, too. Pavises were mobile cover, not the Dung&Dildos dipshit "tower shield" you're thinking of. You plant that shit in the ground and hide behind it while you reload, or ideally have another dude carry it, and maybe even another dude with a spear to cover you. In the rank and file, everyone would be using polearms which required two hands.
>>96682694The only GayOS armies I know by name are Land Marines and the Inner Cities of Sigmar. Oh, and Fyre Sleiyurzâ„¢. If you're gonna be an insecure tranny about it maybe don't play it anymore
>>96682708You type like a parody of a /wfg/ poster
>erm, you're a dumbdumb poopieheaded chud, downvoted!Do you have anything of substance to say? Fuck off back to your containment thread or /tttt/
>>96682781Just stop typing like a fucking faggot ("Ermm... I do NOT wanna know!") and there won't be a problem
>>96682708Yeah we get it man you don't need to try so hard
>>96680254I was thinking of making a Slayer army but the rules just arent very good. Especially the Brotherhood of grimnir unit just stinks. 18 points a model (no-upgrades) without any saves is just stupid. Having to buy 6+ wardsave against shooting to already expensive and underperforning units sucks. Still cabt have bsb in a slayer block
>>96681910I'd just cover them with terrain paste.
>>96680897Delectable. Where'd you get the obelisks and statue in the back?
>>96682944This AJ is absolute ass.Oh yeah I ALWAYS dreamed about being able to mix Empire and Bretonias core units !
>>96682985a guy printed them for me. Try to reverse search pic related?
>>96683031it's essentially a crypto dow armylist
>>96683047>das it mane
>>96681136I kind of like the idea that every beastman army/player has their own scratchbuilt herdstone. Kind of like Ork players had to kitbash their own Battlewagon back in ye olden days. But yeah, it's not a bad kit. Maybe you can find some old stock with independent retailers if you put in some legwork.
>>96680784This one?
>>96680784Have more dwarf spheres
>>96683084How? Without pikes that were bread and butter of DoW army (you had at least four different pike units) this list hardly resembles DoW.They fucked it up hardly - not adding pikes as an option to sellswords unit. I find it quite bizzare.
>>96683216Pikeman had seperate profile
>>96680897Based wood elf enjoyer
>>96682830AoS very much deserves that level of unwavering hatred to be fair
>>96683216>How?Access to all mercenaries, character traits to represent estalians and tileans, heavy armored armored crossbowmen with shields or spearmen.special phalanx formation rules.They don't get given an additional rank to fight with, but shit is made to look like a duck, walk like a duck and quack like a duck.
>>96683239Sure, but that "duck" doesn't have a beak but snout.
>>96683248Look, I used the analogy expecting you to tell me the duck couldn't fly because it didn't have the birdmen of catrazza, don't let me down like this.
>>96682944Why would you ever want to run a dwarf army in a rank and flank game?
>>96683162Holy shit that's the one anon I've been looking all night.Thanks a bunch. Do you happen to know the artist?
So how long until Dark Elves rejoin the game as a main faction? I really want to play them since Malekith (Malerion these days post retcon) is easily my favourite part of WFB and their models are KINO!
>>96683288Their range is already readily available
>>96683297Main faction, not legends. Proper rules, not the lazily shat out piles of cum they have now.
>>96683266Google says it's Lewis Jones and shows this artstation page
>>96683334>Only one good piece and it involves dwarvesBleak
>>96683288>>96683297>>96683318I believe they will be the first Legacy army that finds its way to core faction cool kids. The reason that virtually all male wing of their range is still available but was never rebased tells me GW doesn't have plans for them in AoS. And let's face it - they fit Cities of Sigmar like saddle fits the cow. They are very popular army in TOW and WFB however, so I can't imagine GW will leave them as they are in the void. It's a low hanging fruit in my opinion. Now, female part of the range is kinda problematic, as they are part of Daughters of Khaine range - but they can do what they did with squig units - don't release them for TOW and just silently assume players will know what to do.
>>96683318Wood elves kinda prove you can be a main faction and still have abysmal rules.
>>96683084>5LDSo these professional soldiers, who are professional enough to lack the Misbehaving Mercenaries rules, are only as brave as goblins and gnoblars? Even free company are braver than these guys? Why the fuck?
>>96683191Where do those combat teapots come from?
>>96680532No. As much as the style differs from the older models, they made quite a few sculpts in that style in later years of 5ed, so it's definitely not a matter of edition. As for whether the style itself fits, your own taste should be the ultimate authority.
>>96682700Bretonnians aren't 14th century knights, they're 12-13th century crusaders. They would have been wearing both long kite shields and slightly smaller ones.
>>96683367>Even free company are braver than these guys? Why the fuck?free company fight to defend their homes. These guys fight for a paycheck. Not worth dying over, I guess.
>>96683505>Not worth dying over, I guess.Then, rule wise, why would they not have the rule that lets them skip showing up at all? Fluff wise, why would they pick the profession of death if they're afraid of death and why would anyone hire them is they were this cowardly to begin with?It's absurd.
>>96683511>Mercs flee warzones rather than dying in real life>WhY wOuLd AnYoNe HiRe mErCeNaRiEs Gtfo spaz.
>>96683517They also stood and fought and died in real life, a lot more than they broke and fled, but I guess that's inconvenient. Nah nah, you're just right and every single one was as brave as a panicked toddler, which is why people historically spend massive sums on hiring them all the time, you fucking dunce. Hey you know what, soldiers some times broke and fled, better make state troopers LD5 too, huh?
>>96683475one of the two ral parthalegacy I thinkthey look fine for oldschool styled kdaii, also because the only other alternative I know are these silly but somewhat charming things
>>96683531>Hey you know what, soldiers some times broke and fled, better make state troopers LD5 too, huh?Unironically yes. Most people fled rather than in ancient wars. But I can tell I'm arguing with a retard so you'll disagree, of course.
>>96683367they are as brave as their employer requires he dies? they go homeeasystick a hero in there
>>96683544conquest has done a lot of dwarf golem things, but they're weird a lot
>>96683552
>>96683546>Most people fled rather than in ancient wars.Not after a strong breeze flies their way. Again, as brave as gnoblars here.
>>96683531OMG you're actually one of the cumrags that watches too much TV and movies and thinks hundreds died in every medieval battle aren't you? Hate to tell you, little pisscake, but the vast, VAST majority of people fled battles back in the day. Very few actually died, most either ran or were captured.
>>96683573most people don't have the guts to stand around ogres
>>96683367>>5LD6 with the champion
>>96683495Eh, it depends. Odo d'Outremer for example is more 13th century, KOTR and Grail Knights are more 14th century, the Green Knight is more like early 15th century. I chalk it up to some of them are dorf-esque traditionalists or pious crusaders using relic armor given them by Grail Chapels, and some of them are poorfags using the armor of an ancestor....then you have shit like nu-KOTR on Foot which are Korean MMOslop with no discernible inspiration.
>>96681910Didn't stop them selling shit like giants with signs pointing to kislev or whatever on them in AoS
>>96683559You can also convert gunpla. SD line has very dwarfish proportions and is cheap as fuck.Plus you can pose it.
>>96683796Was Grimnir a Newtype?
Come on, Games Workshop. Just say The End Times and Age of Sigmar are an alternate universe. That would smooth over a lot of issues and potentially open the door for a full-on Warhammer Fantasy revival. You already did that with Storm of Chaos.
>>96683817If they cant even make tows narrative good then I dont really care what they do with fbs alternate timeline.
>>96683817The fact the books are all blue not red and all the stuff about the celestial dragon knowing the end times are coming and putting pieces in place to stop it should tell you THIS is the alternate timeline game. WHFB continues into AoS, this is what if it didn't.
>>96683842Yeah let me just look at what the core rule books says about the fate of the old world real quick
>>96683847I think the closest would be the Old Ones seeing AoS as an outcome of their actions is the closest you get to an AoS/End Times reference in the Core Rulebook
>>96683847the cathay arcane journal talks about it. The Celestial Dragon, The Slann and Nagash know the End Times is coming. But Nagash is currently dead and the Slann are the young ones missing key details after all the elders died in the Daemon War. So the dragons sent his daughter west to help unify the Empire earlier so a unified front can stand against the Everchosen.
>>96683826>Slayer cult AoI is trashIt hurts
>>96684100your mistake was thinking this was a competitve game for millenial waacshitters and not a narrative game for people with grey beards.
>>96683842>>96683951You're mistaking the end times with the great war against chaos.The dragon emperor isn't even around in this period, the jade dragon sent the northern fucker to deal with growing chaos concerns in the west but there's no mention of the slann or of nagash or of the end times, it's literally just>wtf, the northern barbarians are increasing activity again, especially west, the elves should be the ones to keep them under control there, we better do something or chaos will steamroll the west and then us after that momentum
>>96684100There's no way to make a good slayers army.
>>96684111They could have at least reintroduced the slayer pirates and the norse dwarf zerkers
>>96683847This the same rule book that is virtually unusable if you want to play TOW with the errata changes and which has outdated lore thanks to Arcane Journals? That one? By the same company that is known to retcon and change lore on the fly?
>>96683817Alternative timelines never work without one being established as the one truer timeline, and the only thing that hierarchy does is to devalue the other timelines.They can retcon whatever they want, but the moment they do, it hurts their sales, so they won't do it, they still want to sell both tow shit and aos shit and even the end times book they keep reproposing time and again, so they can't even come up and say "the end times happened but not like that" or people would stop buying those books.The only way for gw to retcon anything regarding the end times now is of they decide to rewrite the thing from scratch in a 60+ bullshit novels series like the horus heresy, and it's unlikely to be a profitable venture and even less likely to be written well in any case.Come to terms with it with your own copes and move on, the groundwork for fate to be fickle or for alternative timelines to exist is already baked in the canon, you just have to do it yourself as your headcanon instead of waiting for gw to do it.
>>96684194NTAAre there really people who play AoS BECAUSE ITS LORE - and by lore I mean cosmology? I fucking doubt it. I'm 100% sure nobody would raise an eyebrow in AoS community if End Times were retconed in TOW. Not that I really care about ET being retconed, I'm just happy TOW is a thing and I don't really care I know how it ends. And seriously don't understand why would anyone care about it either. We have TOW and WHRPG supported and it's all what matters.Not to mention I really enjoyed End Times' rules. I finally could field WoC and beastmen together again.
>>96680898>when my factions do make their inevitable return.he doesn't know :(
>>96684216I dunno let me ask the people who like nagash.
>>96684216>Are there really people who play AoS BECAUSE ITS LORE - and by lore I mean cosmology?Some are relatively invested in the fluff as anyone was into fantasy back then, yes, even if still much more confused about most stuff.
>>96684216the Realms are a cool take on post-apocalypse
>>96683511>they can only be steadfast warriors that never flee or cowards that don't even show up to fight, there is no in-between.
>>96683817>>96684194The most elegant solution I have is the following>everything about the end times books is a vision of the future manfred gets when scrying at the beginning of the first book, which is also why the books and vision end with his (and everyone's) demise>the books remain relevant because that's what manfred sees and that's what he knows will happen if he doesn't behave differently, so the information in there are still vital for the understanding of whatever other narrative rewrites those end times books>the mortal realms don't form with the end times of the warhammer world, but the great cataclysm and collapse of the gates of the old ones, the mortal realms exist out of time, like a subrealm of the realm of chaos, with entities from the old world somehow reaching it from any point of history (the dwarf ancestors after the cataclysm, sigmar after he leaves the empire) or an ominous future (tyrion and teclis), but otherwise without any true parallelism of presents with the old world>both wars in the old world and the mortal realms are vital in the fight against chaos
Managed to restore this guy to a decent shape. I still have no idea what to do with the base tho.
>>96684111Some ideas>Army wide +1M and free 6++ with an option to pay for 5++>optional throwing axes>killed slayers only give half of their VP to the enemy>BSB with unit-wide Rune of the DishonouredAll seem flavorful and fun
>>96684345Im not accepting slayers until they get arty that shoots their dudes into the heart of a an enemy.
>>96684355Just run o&g with slayer proxies
>>96684337I'd use a 60x60 base, even if that's 10mm wider than what the rules allow, so it can fit seamlessly inside either chaos warriors or chaos knights
>>96684355That's a bit too goblin-like and requires too much suspension of disbelief to imagine the dwarf not dying horribly in the impact, or said suicidal impact not being considered dumb by everyone, dwarf slayers included.
>>96684337It's a recast of plastic mini, isn't it?
>>96684391no
>>96684391Retard
>>96683817The goofy and frankly confusing thing about AoS is it's not just post apocalyptic, it's post post apocalyptic They destroyed the old world, created a new set of worlds, and then destroyed them again and then it starts with sigmar fighting back
>>96684216>Are there really people who play AoS BECAUSE ITS LORE - and by lore I mean cosmology? I fucking doubt itYou'd be surprised>I'm 100% sure nobody would raise an eyebrow in AoS community if End Times were retconed in TOW.Honestly the end times ironically barely matter in aos. They have their own apocalyptic chaos-destroying-the-world event in the Age of Chaos. Most of the characters from the whfb setting barely even remember the place. It could honestly mostly be retconned, and gw could fairly easily make fantasy/aos/40k 3 sort of connected but not really universes, in the same way we currently have 2 (fantasy/aos and 40k).
>>96683781Sign to Kislev was on a Nurgle Herald. The one they remade with a sign to Lethis
>>96684450And for both iterations of that model the city name is just painted on, not sculpted.
Is Renegade Crowns the best fit for Stormcast? >detached from existing fluff >heavy army upgrades for everything
>>96684594
>>96684594>human statline>25mm basesIt's like you don't even play the game. Just call them Chaos Warriors and squeeze them on to 30mms if you want to troll
>>96684594>>96684600fuck off
>>96684594Get a load of this guy
>>96684605I would base them appropriately obviously
>>96684594Look into 9th age if you actually wanna play with stormcasts on squares.
>>96684625They fit 25mm though
>>96684629Now rank them up in 25mm
>>9668462940k playing mouthbreather who doesn't rank models up detected
NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T USE UNIT FILLER OR MULTIBASING
I see we're back to the threads being almost completely unusable.I wonder how long it'll take for them to get bored this time.
>>96684648no, you can't use sigmarines in warhammer fantasy.
>>96684594That's a lot of weird looking Ushabiti anon, you running a Mortuary Cult list?
>>96684345>>killed slayers only give half of their VP to the enemyThis would be so OP, you only having to kill a little over half your opponents army to win by default in some scenarios is ridiculous.
Working on a mordheim band
>>96684368Umm sweaty, that's modelling for advantage
>>96684594Wrong thread buddy
>>96683552God I wanted to try and get into Conquest. Then I tried building a box of dragon slayers, saw the 4 pieces torso and noped the fuck out.
>>96684594Immaculate ragebaitingReminds me of the dark eldar burning youtuber using stormcast as ogres in 9th age a few weeks later lmao
>>96684815>bringing a damsel to fucking MordheimThat's like bringing your gf with you on a trip to New Delhi
>>96685480Ghetto bitch living in her low income housing (chapel)
>>96684799Just go with the old>You lose 1 VP if the unit of slayers remain on the battlefield at the end of the game>you dont lose VP for slayers dying
>>96684594I'm not the type to bitch about using AoS models for TOW but what the actual fuck was this guy thinking
>>96685961Okay but if you have an entire army of that the game becomes a problem for pretty obvious reasons anon
Having a hard time deciding between starting Tomb Kings and Orcs
>>96686457Tomb Kings have quite a few new kits and likely refreshes to come if proxies (WGA) aren't your jam Orcs basically got nothing new
>>96686014AoS originally didn't have defined base size requirements, so he based for what he thought looked best: Stormcast and VC on squares, Tzeentch rounds
Any scans of the new journal yet?
>>96686728No comeback in two and a half weeks when people get their pre-orders
What are we thinking about the leaked TK battalion?
>>96686755Not a whiff of new plastic in there so shit.Could’ve at least included the new Liche priest kit give having one is fucking mandatory outside of armies of infamy
>>96686755It’s a shitty discount if it’s the same price as the other boxes
Did the rules for the new 500 - 750 point game modes get leaked as well? >>96686755interesting, I wonder if Brets will get one as well.
>>96686755I'm not buying tomb kings until you update your skeletons and horses james.
>>96686755I think it's great companion to the starter set. Grab both of them and you get a >2000pts army for ~$400. Shame they're not upgrading the skeleton kits but the warsphinx has great options and is a good include. Bonus points for being the only battalion box with a character in it thanks to that as well.
>>96686755It reduces the number of old models and gives some good plastic kits the spare hand weapons from the tomb guard can be used to give good arms to the skeleton warriors, and from there it's just a matter of using skulls from a skull kit to bring them essentially up to datethe spare body from the warsphinx can be used to make a giant too
>>96684594I understand this is bait but I'll bite nonetheless. No the best fit for Stormcast, if they must be played, is Chaos Warriors. I imagine they'd actually rank up on 30s and it's not completely out of the question that you'd get some chaos warriors who appear to the untrained eye as pious holy warriors.
Hey, /tg/. Which army do you have most fun playing with?
