The Future Edition>Previous Thread>>96672994 >Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>WoD5 Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionIt's nearly 2026. Normally, we would have a new edition or two by now.How do you imagine the future of WoD?Alternate question: Which edition was your first?
>>96686080>How do you imagine the future of WoD?
>>96686106kek
>>96685943Damn. I'd have loved playing that, but VR only kills it.
>>96686339SGF just did a playthrough of the entire game, if you can handle unrelenting sarcasm.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aEh4Hwf1pI&list=PLaSPgE4K0SB3OzFyd7OOoG8z0cuCrVzfm
>>96686080>How do you imagine the future of WoD?A wave of new fans leading to a crash.
>>96686080Do you suppose CofD/WoD can handle doing settings that pay homage to anime like Demon City Shinjuku and Cyber City 808?
What's the closest equivalent of the Gypsy book for other ethnicities?
>>96686427very easily yeah, there was a cyberpunk crossover setting wasn't there?
>>96686491Not that I ever knew of. There is Mirrors but it's very light on stuff aside from setting flavor
>>96686427Ain't they did their own? The yama king for Tokyo was 80s cyberpunk anime Baron Harkonnen.
>>96686374Just for the sake of mentioning it, the first 14 minutes aren't indicative of the style of the rest. The initial tutorial cringe flows into high style. It goes from Scooby Doo to Mage.
>Abloobloooblooooooo
>>96686440Tradition Book: Dreamspeakers
>>96686535That's certainly a combination of words.
>OwOdHedgefag why do you do it
>>96686427WoD? Easily.
>>96686541Cunt.
I'm a first time ST planning on running a DtD chronicle. Can I get some pointers?
>>96686577Now I realize I literally knew nothing about Glasswalkers.
Never ask a Black Fury what clan her boyfriend belongs to.
>>96686607I've never run or played it, but I love the book. What are you planning?
What clan is he?
>>96686851Vegeta is Ventrue coded
>>96686541You know, I would blame this kind of behavior on the sensitive theater kid type players, but surprisingly vampire players are the least likely to have this kind of temper tantrum.
>>96686873He can only drink blood of people who have never kissed.
>>96686722Something between the Matrix and James Bond set in the NYC Metropolitan Area circa 2012
>>96686541This has to be sarcasm
>>96686682Mostly because of the implication that will get you beaten horribly and tossed in a dumpster. But if you're a Bone Gnawer, you prefer the dumpster. You're winning. They can't get you down.>>96686851"Vegeeeeeeta! Vegeetaaaaaa!""WHAT?""We're haunting you!"
>>96686682>clanI think their pet Malk oracle was a girl?
>>96686851I thought way too much on this but here;Classic: Ventrue VegetaThe most likely option, he is a Ventrue. All the pride, blueblood noble lineage, right to rule etc. makes him a perfect fit for the clan. He is basically Mithras with a new hairstyle. He has a Sheriff that is Brujah Nappa.What's his feeding preference? Rich women. Unorthodox: Ventrue turned BaaliAt the start, same as the classic Ventrue Vegeta but Freeza aka a Baali Methuselah or perhaps a Demon Lord, gets him to his service by force. He gets re-embraced into a Baali.This would have Ventrue turned Baali Vegeta serving a Demon Lord/Yama King Freeza but wants to be free of servitude. Surprise: Brujah VentrueHe is hot headed, gets angry all the time, loud, doesn't take servitude very well and Brujah is known for having leaders in the past (and in present but they are mostly rabble these days)
>>96683071>asked Ken Penders for permissionBro are you fucking stupid, holy shit he's going to sue White Wolf and claim ownership of the concept of werewolves.
>>96686682Giga Stacy Black Fury with her Metis twink Git of Fenris.
>>96686549... Fair
>>96686106FPBP
If a Nosferatu learns Protean 4, are they still repulsive in those forms?
>>96687488RAT KING
>>96687488Yes
>>96687488>Nosferatu >Rat form Repulsive, disguise even
>>96687488>>96687554Rats are too cute to be Nossies, it would be mice.
Could a mage turn a Nosferaru hot or cute? Or extra scary?
>>96687620Same thing as when you vicissitude them. Curse stops it. Even if they look good now, they are in constant agonizing pain. So numb the pain too (still suffer from wound penalties) and you're good. Unless you're just altering someone's perception of them.
>>96687630>muh CurseJesus Christ the WoD is so fucking gay lol Let me guess, mages can’t make vampires immune to sunlight either?
>>96687640You're literally fighting God who is actually real and has intervened in the setting. Which means you can do it eventually, but not with just 4 dots in a sphere and less than 5 successes.
>>96686876>theater kidwhy are you using this tourist lingo here
>>96687651Um buddy the entire WoD was made by a mage so I guess you can’t do anything at all then eh???
>>96687620Yes, but it doesn't stick. The fact their blood is rotten and curdled means they'll just re-ugly eventually.That said. Good way for an aetherite to keep a hostage market for selling Dr. Wonderlicious's patent vampire skin cream.
>>96687554Now you got me thinking. Would Saltzpyre make for a good hunter?
>>96687630Nah, they just reverse the changes during daysleep.
>>96686541>IMG_6177go back to r*ddit faggot
>>96687709I wasn't clear but I meant the curse eventually stops it. There is some faggot nos in nu wod who looks attractive but is in constant pain or something.
>>96687620>could a mage...Yes. It's never about whether they can, it's about how they could, the consequences and if it's worth it.A mage could cast an illusion around the Nos, create a field that distorts people's perception, project a fake image, make a nanobot skinsuit capable of changing its appearance, use magical clay that allows them to sculpt a new face that lasts for 12 hours, use some weird "plastic surgery in a pill" effect... All of them would have varying degrees of success since the clan's curse would make them horrifying again sooner or later.Trying to make it a permanent effect would require a very high Arete. Given that there's variations of how deformed a Nosferatu can be, with some being the classic baldie with scabs, others having transparent skin and others being so ugly they make the rest of the clan look Appearance 3, it wouldn't be out of the question for a very powerful mage to make even scarier Nosferatu a thing.
>>96687721>When you piss off a mage so hard he makes you Appearance -1
>>96686541>the retarded ESL who was intimidated by vocab words is still seethinglol, go ahead, keep digging your grave deeper
Ah, so the trolls are actually faggots who hate WoD? Interesting.
>>96687753You mean the Esoterrorist shills trying very hard to push their crap in other threads? They're here, too?
>>96687761Not sure about these guys but clearly the trolls here don't actually like WoD if you read their comments. And using "gay" to call players is interesting too...
>>96687761The Esoterrorist thread is so shit. How do you even try to talk about a setting without knowing 1% of the lore? They're probably just some fags too annoying to play actual games with people, and too addled with ADHD, porn addiction and laziness to read the books. It smells of instant-gratification behavior.
>>96687680Is there even a question?
>>96687830Killed by C4.
There any requiem nos bloodlines that are gross in ways besides being ugly? Had a character concept that requires looking attractive and being repulsive in another way like smelling like a corpse or something of the like
>>96687891You don't need a bloodline for that, you just need some aspect that's unsettling about them, such as a disfigurement, an odd smell, their shadow moves on its own, they have a mouth somewhere on their body that whispers things, etc.
>>96687891"Nosferatu The Beast That Haunts the Blood" has alternative ways for the nosferatu bane to express itself and one of them is exactly what you are looking for
Okay, here's an antagonist idea:Satanic Panic Marauder Karen.It's a middle aged woman who awakened while holding pseudo-christian new age bullshit. However, she quickly went crazy and became a Marauder.Her delusions lead her to believe in far fetched conspiracy theories regarding the government, children and herself. Her reality bubble is essentially making all of those conspiracies true.She believes the town she lives in is home to a satanic cannibal child-sacrificing cult, with even the church and police being on it. In fact, she even thinks some of the children are already initiated. This has led the people in town to slowly develop into a cult, which a Nephandus mage quickly noticed and decided to take advantage of, becoming the secret hand behind the cult. She can also have the opposite effect on some people that vaguely align with her views, making them into zealots willing to hold families at gunpoint to "save the kids."Finally, she's under the impression that she's been gangstalked. At first, this merely attracted other conspiracy theorists. But now both Technocrats and Traditionalists have sent their people to investigate the issue.Alas, this small no-name and once cozy town has now become the shadowy battlefield between four factions: a Nephandus' cult, an equally cultish cell of mortal hunters, a small Union contingent and a cabal of Mages trying to make sense of all of it.... all because of a Karen.
>>96686080>How do you imagine the future of WoD?Dead and buried like it should had been after their success.Some stuff shouldn't be brought back to be "adapted to contemporary audiences". Leave it be in past and be played by its niche players.
>>96686607Still looking for pointers
>>96687620>could a mageThe answer is always yes. The question is how powerful they must be and how much effort they're willing to put out. What you're asking is circumventing their clan curse which would be a feat well above player character paygrade unless you're running an archmage campaign.
>>96687661I mean, the recognition of Capital G with regard to the vampiric curse probably means the universe would do very bad things to you if you tried to circumvent Capital G's will. Because Capital G carries with it a notion of infallibility and the absolute. I think it'd be like sticking your dick in a paradox blender.
>>96687680He is what every hunter should be. >Skilled with blades and guns>Good investigator>Can be stealthy (spying on WH elves undetected is hard)>Is part of a powerful organisation >hHs knowledge on his targets >Literal faith powers (warrior priest class)>Plans ahead Every member of the Krubersreik 5 would make for a great hunter
>>96683583I mean, I am a fan of both the Chronicle of Darkness and of G.U.R.P.S., so...
>>96687661I see you like magic. I guess you know that God was a wizard from space.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2PlAUzAFIU
>>96686427there was an official cp2020 crossover
>>96687930https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB7bT5UeXTk
What would a vampire do if it woke up and discovered a mage turned its insides into their apartment? One far bigger on the inside.
>>96688867I think it's actually in good shape now. I think the thing you're replying to is kinda pointlessly hollow as a critique goes too. I can totally see how someone wouldn't be into it both as a WoD fan and otherwise, it's got some stuff in common with both WoDs but is also doing a lot different that might be a deal breaker if what you're after from urbfan is something very close to WoD. So fair enough, I get why someone would think it's bad. Although if that was based on the initial manuscript I do think that requires some re-evaluation now.The other three points I think are much more debatable if not wrong. Soul as a buzzword isn't super useful IMO but as a short hand for "thing people cared about making" I'd say CB has it. They rewrote like 3 full templates from the manuscript and have been making antagonist mini-supplements all year. Even if you hate what they've made I think it's obvious they care. Hell, they've made a whole semi-arg website thing for it to go along with an antagonist and a free CYOA. For edge there is a monster fucker antagonist that's an obsessive stalker. Not subtly either, they're called "Tetraphilie Stalker". There are mind control bugs that eat your tongue and crawled out a skinless centaur's orifices. So it's not shying away from "adult" themes. Generic is harder to discount because its set up to allow you to invent whatever horror things you like. There are lots of realms outside of Earth and so if you would want to have Lovecraft's Dreamlands you can do that. That's more on the table side though and what the book gives you isn't that rote. It does obviously cover a lot of tropes but all the splats have unique defining elements, and it hews to its own setting elements very closely.The backer pdf is in newvola if you want to check it out. It's got some editing mistakes and some weird rules text in a few places but given how much it's changed since the manuscript I can't imagine they'd ignore that sort of feedback at this point.
What are good books for additional information on Totems, or more examples of them?
>>96686080sexo
>>96689100Wasn't there something about vampires being able to frenzy at being transformed and dump their entire bloodpool to shift back and turn the mage into a smear?At the very least, Protean/Vicissitude can be used to attempt to shift back changes, and they could also do stuff like using non-physical disciplines like astral projecting with Auspex or using Presence's summon power to call help.If you are talking literally living inside his insides instead of a transformation... that still kind of sounds like frenzying at the humiliation+danger, followed by ripping out the insides in question if they are not vital and proceeding to ignore the wound penalties to attack the mage.Doing that kind of stuff to vampires generally falls under the "technically possible, but a giant act of hubris that will not end well at all" category.Plus vampires tend to make an example of mages that mess with them too much. I'm pretty sure that one mage ended up on the Red List just for enslaving some vampires, or something like that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FepbNahnsE4
>>96689183>Wasn't there something about vampires being able to frenzy at being transformed and dump their entire bloodpool to shift back and turn the mage into a smear?you are probably talking about the bit in m20 that makes fun of the turning vampires into chair spell if so then it's not that they frenzy to turn back it's that the part of their curse that turns them back to the way they been during the embrace still works and will turn them back at night (assuming the vampire has no disciplines to turn back on their own) so going by that logic the mage get's crushed the first time he tries to sleep inside of the vampire
>>96689183>>96689229>Wasn't there something about vampires being able to frenzy at being transformed and dump their entire bloodpool to shift back and turn the mage into a smear?>A vampire who gets turned into wooden furniture may be set on fire, for the usual amount of damage. If the spell lasts long enough, that vampire might be left out in the sun, again taking the usual amount of damage each turn. That burning Kindred automatically goes into frenzy and may immediately change back into her normal form by expending her entire blood pool, assuming thatshe has enough blood left to do so. If not, she burns.
>>96689229>M20 They made the lawn chair spell way more difficult than it should be. Purely because WoD balance is basically a reflection of irl DEI policies where the privileged need to go through more hoops and hurdles than necessary to flex their alleged privileges.
let's say, theoretically, an antediluvian were to diablerize all the other ones, theoreticallycould they strengthen their blood potency to match that of 2nd gen? or even caine?asking for a friend
So I got a question about true faith for you fa/tg/uys. It says for anything but yet only shows examples as Christian ones. Are there other examples in other books as well or no?
Would a group of Hunters funded by New York state be considered a Compact or a Conspiracy
>>96689834There's an infamous anecdote about a guy driving away a vampire with his credit card due to True Faith in the capital system.
>>96689834Money if you're Syndicate, Gaia if you're Garou (There's a specific guy with this one, a Child of Gaia called Garret Faithful).Technically anything "big" and grandiose should work. So like, a local river god or spirit wouldn't trigger it, but the whole system of faith that allows for river gods to exist in the first place should. You could technically put your faith in the Weaver or the Wyrm, too?
>>96689790the whole generation curse is something that only started after generation 3 killed generation 2 so there is no actual difference between a second and third genand if a antediluvian diablerized another acording to the gehenna book they ascent into godhood and leave the curse of caine behind, but are somehow still below caine>>96689834there is a example given in dav20 where a setite could have true faith in set but would lose it if he would ever meet the vampire set and be confronted with things that contradict his worldview and there is a garou npc who has true faith in gaia
>>96689850That's how Grünfeld should have worked, considering his Jewish name
>>96689834True Faith: Science with a technomancer paradigm so you build a contraption that emits an anti-entropic force field.>>96689852>>96689852This has always been retarded and that's not even how the Technocrat paradigm works. You are actually a heretic in need of a lobotomy if you do literal magic by waving a credit card that makes vampires and demons flee in fear, even though satanic pedo elites control the monetary system.
>>96689846Probably compact, since the Barrett Commission's whole deal is being federal pencil pushers like mayors who realized "wait a minute, vampires are embezzling us".
>>96686080SEX WITH THE INSTRUCTOR AWOOOOGAAA!!!!!
>>96686491>>96686508There was a woman who wrote for both 1e VtM and Cyberpunk 2020 (?) as a lead dev. In a magazine she presented the "World of Future Darkness" that combined both and gave some tips on how certain powers would work in Cyberpunk, even creating a new Discipline for Kindred to interface with cybernetics.
>>96686440Tribe Book: Wendigo
>>96689951>This has always been retarded and that's not even how the Technocrat paradigm works. You are actually a heretic in need of a lobotomy if you do literal magic by waving a credit card that makes vampires and demons flee in fear,The Syndicate had specially built credit cards for foci since Revised and used literal cash, stock exchanges and reputation from the very beginning.
>>96686080Is Shadowcity on topic here? if not, where do i go to talk about it?
>>96689155There's the wiki and the book they cite, wrym for is also a thing.
>They made the lawn chair spell way more difficult than it should be. Purely because WoD balance is basically a reflection of irl DEI policies where the privileged need to go through more hoops and hurdles than necessary to flex their alleged privileges.Jesus Christ he’s right. Whenever people attempt to “balance” Mage it always comes across as “…why?”.
>>96690917Spite for the playerbase and overcorrection from the runaway Magewank writing of yesteryear.
>>96689834>Christian ones. Are there other examples in other books as well or no?There was a guy who managed to ward off vampires by offering them money, like he thought he was being robbed. The faith in the currency was apparently strong enough to count.
>>96689951>True Faith: Science with a technomancer paradigm so you build a contraption that emits an anti-entropic force field.Using True Faith(science) would either involve taking a moment and disbelieving your senses or investigating whatever you saw. Your example would be Technocratic Sorcery.
>>96686080>Which edition was your first?Requiem 2, despite being more interested in Masquerade's setting I really can't be bothered to deal with the shittier rules attached to it when the translation guide is a thing. The only problem is getting people to actually play that.
>>96689846Do they have a supernatural power of their own? If not, they are a compact.
>>96686080Hey, has anyone considered doing a version of Exalted vs WoD for the Chronicles of Darkness games? Because if it doesn’t already exist, that’s what I’m hoping for in 2026.
>>96691091Already a thing, despite being unfinished but playable.Check the Exalted thread and Control F CofD, there will be a link.
>>96690868>you vil get in ze void >and you vil eat ze void bugz
>>96689951I feel like the true faith science edition would just be unvampiring them from sheer disbelief in silly things like vampires
>>96690804Never heard of it.
>>96689790Presuming that they have the right rituals to actually get the XP they accumulated over thousands of years, no.Cain has all of their bullshit and then some.
>>96686106Grave, even.
Would an Archmage giving big boobs to Caine be acceptable as a joke to God? It won’t rebound seven times over and give the Archmage even bigger (x7) boobs?
>AI VtuberTechnocracy or Pentex?
>>96691398Are you implying the Archmage isn’t intentionally trying to use Caine as a spell effect magnifier?
>>96691428Virtual Adept custo/familiar through acquired sentience.Neuro is too unhinged and her creator is a femboy, so it fits them better.
>>96690689Do you actually think that means "Technocrats hold up a credit card and magic happens."Are you retarded? THAT IS NOT HOW THEY USE A FUCKING CREDIT CARD TO DO MAGIC. Do you think Technocrats hold up a science paper and it makes a portal open? What's the sci-fi reasoning behind how that works?>>96691015We're talking about Technocrats with True Faith. Tell me how you use that to explode vampires or physically fucking heal someone, which True Faith allows you to do. If you are just touching someone and "disbelieving" their wounds away, you're not a Technocrat, you're a retard they're going to lobotomize and/or banish.
>>96691428It's actually an Etherite project to create life like Frankenstein, except this time powered through the electricity of the digital web instead of a storm.
>>96691611I thought Etherite weeabs were more into giant robots, genetically engineered catgirls and kamen rider cyborgs/armors.
>>96691428I like this one so obviously VA
>>96691479>Do you think Technocrats hold up a science paper and it makes a portal open? What's the sci-fi reasoning behind how that works?"Cosmic Wormhole Equation [Dimensional Science 4, Correspondance 4]Enlightened Agent quickly writes down a cosmic computation meme equation that, when activated, bridges two chosen destinations together by manipulating dimensional waves in a controlled manner through the equation.Unfortunately, it doesn't work on Deep Universe targets unless there is a receiver on the other side to stabilize the target coordinates.In present times, some Void Engineers successfully worked on App model of this experimental procedure and thus you only need to open your app for it. There is even a pre-added approved locations for quick travel for those lucky enough to have them."Here, not only the reasoning but also an upgraded version to allow your phone to do it.
>>96691814Yes but they also do digital shit, they have the Cybernauts who are dedicated to exploring the Digital Web because they decided information is ether.
>>96686080She is thiccc, I am joining the Void Engineers.
>>96691968You're not even saying what your own images say you genuine retard. Nothing in there says they just draw portals on paper or their phone screens. Why would you even think Technocrats do that? You've gotta be a self-mutilating troon either trolling or genuinely this retarded. Either way, completely brain damaged.
>>96692142technically they can just simulate a portal and if done well enough the simulation will become real
>>96692142Nta but you asked how a Technocrat can make a portal with a paper and you got one.It is a technobabble but that is how it works in the end. Like how Man in Black can do one inch death punches or how Technocracy loves Psychic.
What's sad is that people pretend to like WoD because of the urban gothic setting, but when it comes down to mechanics I wonder how many people actually hate the game lines to an intense degree because every single one of them does everything wrong, but they're the only game in town with regard to the niche.
In my upcoming HtV session the group will have the opportunity to intercept a Werewolf moments before his first change. I've looked over the book and while I know not to use Forsaken to build the actual Werewolf, I'd like to get the lore right. Do Werewolves turn into Gauru and enter a death rage for their first change? I'm wondering just how much I need to prepare for a 10 minute meat-blender in an apartment complex. Also another Werewolf will turn up halfway through to try and get the new guy under control.
>>96692245Ah yes the 5e syndrome.
>>96692277Good luck!
>>96692245>but they're the only game in town with regard to the niche.What are you talking about? Off the top of my head there's Blades in the Dark, Mork Borg, and Monster of the Week which are either urban gothic or easily adaptable to fit it. Anyone who sticks with WoD because they think it's one of a kind is the same kind of person who sticks with D&D because they think it's the only RPG out there.
>>96687630Could a Noseferatu make a deal with the Wyrm to get a powerful investment to make them pretty?
>>96692297That sounds reasonable.
>>96692297It would have to overpower the curse of Caine which is a tall order given Caine was stupidly powerful. Remember in Triat Mythology the bloody man ripped his way out of the Wyrm back in its prime.
Besides Magic with a K, what would be the best way to mechanically represent the kind of stuff people use mystic crystals for?
>>96692420That isn't what happened. According to their story the Bloody Man was empowered by the Weaver and the then uncorrupted Wyrm swallowed him to return him to the cycle of being. Then the Bloody Man survived because of the Weaver's blessing and started feasting on the Wyrm's insides which pissed it off so it spat him back out. That is why vampires smell of the Wyrm despite being creatures of Stasis/Banality. There's really no question that the Wyrm is more powerful
>>96692142Assuming you are the anon from the last few threads, what's with you and everyone not agreeing with you being trans? At this you will have everyone in this thread as trans and my man, this ain't ResetEra.>>96692489Foci? For example Order of Hermes and Verbena are known for that.
>>96692579Ah fair misremembered then. Cross splat moment.
>>96692297Considering most Banes GTFO by the Vampiric condition, probably not unless you somehow make a deal with a Maeljin Incarna directly. Even then, I expect a steady re-aplication of that to keep it going instead of being permanent.
>>96692588Seems fair enough.
>>96692604To be fair, it did hurt the Wyrm. It was only wounded temporarily but according to that story the Weaver took advantage of it to trap the Wyrm in its web. In this story vampires burn under the sun because Helios cursed them by promising to reduce them to ash if he ever saw them again and they hunger for blood because Gaia cursed them to hunger for it
>>96692622You would have to descend into the Malfeas to make a deal like this, which is a realllly bad idea unless you're actually committed to the whole cult of the Wyrm thing. There's no getting this sort of favor and then doing a job for the Wyrm before returning to being a normal vampire
>>96692651That or find someone to teach you the Tyranny of the Wyrm (most likely Harold Zettler), master it, summon the Maeljin and have a worthy sacrifice for them to do it.Which means either you are their bitch or you are Harold Zettler tier believer of the Wyrm.
Speaking of Malfeas, some mages have managed to enter the Black Spiral Labyrinth and avoid being corrupted by it, instead truly gaining insight even as it attempts to corrupt their spirits. To be clear, it is still super hard. I think that more than half of the Ahl-i-Batin that tried it ended up becoming nephandi. But it can be done. Is it possible for a garou to do this?>The Nephandi assumed that their corruption of the labyrinth was automatic. They never realized that the Ahl-i-Batin could use the Black Labyrinth - even as it was acting on them - as a tool that let them sense the impinging waves of corruption and either fight it or retreat so deeply into themselves that it couldn't touch them. Furthermore, by recognizing the power of the labyrinth as a means to self-exploration, the Batini removed walls instead of being enclosed by them and found knowledge instead of becoming lost; this reversal of the Nephandic purpose meant that traversing the labyrinths often didn't have the corruptive effects that the barabbi expected.
>>96692277I'll check when I get back home this evening, see if there's a good breakdown of how the first change typically goes.
>>96692865>Of the Batini who walked the labyrinth about half still succumbed and became barabbi. Of the remaining half, a small handful simply disappeared once they reached the center, and the Nephandi were left wondering what went wrong. Most became catatonic, retreating so far within the labyrinth of their own minds that nothing - not corruption, not pain, not telepathy - could reach them. The remaining uncorrupted Batini became inadvertent spies, telepathically alerting the qutbs to the Nephandi's actions. Although the Nephandi discovered some of those (in which case the spies were slowly tortured to death), some old Ahl-i-Batin believe that there may still be ancient Batini infiltrators under deep cover within the Cauls of the Nephandi.~50% become Nephandi and most of the rest die or become catatonic. But a minority apparently have gigachad immunity to the corruption of the Wyrm
>>96692921Appreciate it. All I can find is that it's generally "not a good time", but given that it's only in Gauru that there's actually a loss of control I figure that's how it goes? There's a few blurbs of in-character stuff and they all focus on some collateral.
Imagine having to live through owod world war ii. God ave you if you're in Eastern Europe.
>>96693110Wod's eastern europa is in general a... fun... place to be
>>96692865>Is it possible for a garou to do this?the promise that it should be is what is involved in the final stage of the spiralit seems to be wrong
>>96691428Promethean, Galatean to be precise.
>>96693110>God ave you if you're in Eastern Europe.That place has been forsaken for so long it's not even funny.
Presented without comment.
I'm gonna open up a hole under San Francisco and drop the entire city right into the Black Spiral Labyrinth so the servants of the Wyrm can drown in a sea of their own excrement.
>>96693385The Labyrinth still a significant improvement over San Francisco.
>>96693353Accurate
>>96693353The Forsaken are so much worse than the Garou it's not even funny. Like at least the Garou are a proper nation, infighting aside. The Forsaken are getting beaten into the dirt by inbred skinheads who sell their souls to their totems and just gleefully accept being enslaved to the spirits
>>96693353What's this? Get our memes from reddit month?
>>96693540Redditors we are, lest redittors we become.
>>96693353now do one for Kindred
>>96693539>The Forsaken are getting beaten into the dirt by inbred skinheads who sell their souls to their totems and just gleefully accept being enslaved to the spiritsThis is not true and you know it.
>>96693642which part, the Pure being inbred skinheads (which varies from pack to pack) or the Forsaken losing the war against them? Cause that latter part is definitely true in the current metaplot of WtF. Of course the book also says that the Forsaken and Pure go back and forth from positions of dominance over the other, and it just happens to be an era of Pure supremacy at the moment, but they're still losing...
>>96693659>current metaplot of WtFYou mean setting. It's the setting of WtF.
>>96686080OH BOY
>>96693735Well, you can always set it in the past where the Forsaken are dominant.
>>96693742Let's see...>Live from the Succubus ClubMore Chicago/Helena stuff? Cover sucks. Honestly, why don't they put hot Helena on the cover I have no idea. They are allergic to money I suppose.>Chronicle of the Black LabyrinthBlack Spiral Dancer stuff. I expect it to be milquetoast like Pentex and the Wyrm in W5.>The Coming DestructionNo idea. But man those Werewolves look small and skinny.>Legacy of DefianceSeeing as H5 sucks, have no connections to the actual HTR, no idea. But man that cover sucks, even more than VTM one.
>>96693742>>96693827relevanthttps://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/world-of-darkness/month-of-darkness-2025/day-four-one-shot-renegadecon>Live from the Succubus club helps you portray Kindred entertainers or nomads: aspiring rockstars or any other type of vampire chasing Fame or belonging among the kine. Travel between mortal cities and Kindred domains. Open your own Succubus Club or imitate it. Play with mortals, or use them to slake your Hunger. Make a name for yourself among the living and the dead!>Chronicle of the Black Labyrinth is a classic in-world text, updated for the 5th Edition of Werewolf: The Apocalypse, a Storytelling Game of Environmental and Spiritual Horror.>Create your pack. Join a Sept. Face the coming storm. Whether you’re a first-time Storyteller or an experienced hand in need of inspiration, this book makes it easy to leap into action with minimal prep.>Legacy of Defiance offers eight lineages of Hunter traditions. Follow in the footsteps of the Hunters who came before. Inherit their wisdom and their mistakes, and build on a living legacy.
>>96693540The anons that made the memes for reddit to steal are long gone. 4chan is too slow to gain new writefags, artfags, and memefags, so they end up going to reddit instead.This is all easily fixable, but the mods are retarded.
>>96693742I swear at some point people forgot the "you look like you did when you were Embraced" thing for vampires. Unless you had those tattoos you're going to have someone painstakingly apply them to you every night.
>>96693866>This is all easily fixable, but the mods are retarded.They're retarded but they're also very purposeful in destroying this site and its community utterly, they're not even subtle about it. Bottom line, Hanlon's Razor is bullshit.
>>96693847>>Live from the Succubus club helps you portray Kindred entertainers or nomads: aspiring rockstars or any other type of vampire chasing Fame or belonging among the kine. Travel between mortal cities and Kindred domains. Open your own Succubus Club or imitate it. Play with mortals, or use them to slake your Hunger. Make a name for yourself among the living and the dead!What the...that's so specific. At least do something like "Life in the Dark" and be a source book for jobs and business Kindred participate in.>>Chronicle of the Black Labyrinth is a classic in-world text, updated for the 5th Edition of Werewolf: The Apocalypse, a Storytelling Game of Environmental and Spiritual Horror.Not the worst choice but I feel like W5 is lacking too many other essential things that should take precedence before a Black Spiral Dancer centrict in-world text. Like...>>Create your pack. Join a Sept. Face the coming storm. Whether you’re a first-time Storyteller or an experienced hand in need of inspiration, this book makes it easy to leap into action with minimal prep.Like this! But why the name? Name doesn't have anything in terms of creating a pact or joining a sept. No one who read the name will think "Yes, this book is surely for creating packs and septs">>Legacy of Defiance offers eight lineages of Hunter traditions. Follow in the footsteps of the Hunters who came before. Inherit their wisdom and their mistakes, and build on a living legacy.At least the name makes sense. Too bad H5 is shit to the core.
>>96693880did v5 do away with the 1 dot ritual that allowed for post embrace tats?
>>96693827>>96693847>>96693954I think the problem is all three Hunter books released after the corebook have kinda been ass. Surely there's more CORE information to be added to the game instead of "ready-to-use academic-themed locations" or monsters of the week.
>>96693880If I wanted to steelman that art. He could be a very young weirdo who had the tattoos before his embrace, or whose sire had him get those tattoos before their embrace. I could see some Sabbat putting shit tats on a future shovelhead as a joke, only for that shovelhead to fool them all.There's a much more likely excuse however. It's the same reason V5's vampires have a certain "look". This isn't just a matter of art style either. It's in the clothes, the builda, the faces. Despite being a "punk" game, most old art vampires wore typical if not conservative and "old" clothes, because they are in fact, old. But in V5 even blue-blood Ventrue are shown wearing absurd outfits that would get them kicked out of any peerage in prior editions. V5 wants all vampires to look like bougie but secretly broke champagne socialists wearing hobo chique or some eclectic "personal fashion" that looks like shit but nobody they know will tell them it does.
>>96694011there is some decent stuff sprinkled here and there, like expanding on danger points and antagonist groups, but you're largely right. might be because h5 went over like a wet fart in a church.
>>96693897How much does this site cost anyway? An anon could probably buy it from hiro/fakemoot and host it on the cloud for a couple hundred a month.We absolutely need an anon to do that(or another hack that isn't nice about giving the site back to hiro). fakemoot needs to go and the insane mods need to be replaced.
>>96693847>Chronicle of the Black Labyrinth>updated for the 5th Edition of Werewolf: The ApocalypseI imagine this is going to be shit.
>>96694164has any V5 book been not-shit?
>>96686080What about Curseborne, how does it compare, and what do you hope will happen next for that game?
>>96693742>>96693847This sounds like shit
>>96694182>W5*Fixed for you. And yeah, I agree with you. No W5 book is good and they choosing Chronicle of the Black Labyrinth when they actively destroyed all previous lore and insisted in-world that nobody remembers anything at all is ridiculous at best.>>96694238Well, it's time to create your own Curseborne thread now that it's finaly released for early access.
Reminder that Forsaken and Requiem canonically treat mages are the scariest things ever.
CURSEBORNE THREAD!>>96694677>>96694677>>96694677>>96694677
>>96693880>>96694030There are actually ways to alter your appearance post-Embrace in V5. Since the Tzim are no longer exclusively Sabbat and Vicissitude is now part of Protean, it is easier to get access to lasting cosmetic surgery. Also, there are two separate Blood Sorcery rituals that apply lasting tattoos to Kindred, and Blood Sorcery is much more widespread as well.Justifications, of course.
Why doesn't Protean get a war-form within the first 5 dots? How come the Tzimisce are better shape-changers?
>>96693742Reusing the names of old products has to be the scummiest fucking marketing tactic.
>>96692865Probably not. Garou are naturally creatures of rage so I don’t think any of them have the level of self-control and enlightenment necessary to avoid being corrupted by the Black Spiral Labyrinth. Maybe on a couple of the upper levels but no further
>>96694238>Curseborne ProsCore book is about a variety of monster types that can easily intermix, and more variance within those. i.e the shapeshifter splat isn't just werewolves but a variety of things with a variety of themesAll in one core book that isn't missing any major elements and support multiple modes of playPotency stat isn't an XP taxEasier to homebrew new character optionsUniversal enemy creation system taking the best bit from CofD's Antagonists, Horrors, etcBetter chapter ordering (probably layout and editing too but the book isn't done)Building on 20+ years of experience, and starting in a "2e" of its system>ConsLess depth on any specific splatCore book doesn't scale as high, so no elder PCs currentlyDoesn't have 20 years of support, so less detail, less stuff, less options>Eventual ProsThree tiers of play that have more significant changes, each will get new tiers of spells for example>NeutralDifferent systems, quite similar but also very different and while I would generally say CB's Storypath Ultra system is stronger overall, it's going to be personal preference. Some things I prefer, other things I don't. It's more streamlined and has less clunky subsystems, but that might mean less of the bits you likedNo major power level variance between the splatsThey're tonally different, it's more punk than CofD, more found family than oWoD etcThe setting is also very different, less about layers of reality and a handful of big realms and more about a myriad of realms outside of reality (and bleeding in) and an web of curses that tie things all together similarly to fate. No real masquerade, but not all out in the open eitherIt's a more cohesive setting, everything feels like it's connecting back to some shared elements rather than say WtF and GtSE basically being entirely separate. Curses are very universal, all the splats pull from them, and it's also had a greater effect on cultureA lot of in-character text for splat descriptions
>>96693353>Memetic warfare against monsters Hunter of Technocracy idea?
>>96694030They're gang-themed, but he doesn't have scars and he looks pansy. I could think he spent some years as a ghoul first, but a vampire master doesn't sound into chronicling your acts in their service like that.
>>96694926There's a Silver Fang Ragabash mentioned as having gone backwards around it and managed exactly that, in the original line of tribe books.>>96694895Neither are meant to be getting into fights and surviving. Flight, merging with the earth, and turning to mist arguably help persistence far better than trying to get swole, getting a big head, and then thinking that you can actually take on a Garou or something that Garou need Crinos to fight.Tzimisce, meanwhile, get some nice stat boosts in zulo but they still can't soak agg with their Stamina. As such, they're highly likely to end up Final Dead from being an arrogant flesh-crafter who thought that they could actually take on everything.
>>96695280I was thinking about this more and I like the idea that if you manage to reach the bottom of the labyrinth without being corrupted then you encounter the part of the Wyrm that isn't corrupted. Only 2 Black Spiral dancers have made it all the way and both became powerful wyrm spirits. Maybe you get some sort of insane blessing from the uncorrupted wyrm. You can headcanon this as being the source of WOD Jesus' strange ability to purify the umbra wherever he went, destroying all banes and corruption
>>96694895Bear's Skin combination discipline is a good 'un. Protean in VtM is the shits progression-wise compared to Requiem though. 1 and sometimes 3 really feel like dead levels and 2 is cheese central.
>>96694909They do on purpose for cheap nostalgiabait.
>>96693539The Uratha Do Father Wolf's Duty. They maintain the balance.Even though the faithless cowards of their kind choose to impede the Duty.
>>96694693...What? did you expect something different?
>>96694895Because the Gangrel were made much earlier and got very basic powers because of that.
>die>go to the Wicked City>escape>come back as kuei-jin>wait where the hell am I?>It's Tokyo>Also the year 1998>You do not speak Japanese>it's Relentless Age, not vanilla KotEWhat do?
>>96693866I actually make memes and then post them both here and reddit around the same time. Most redditors are fucking stupid troons but it was funny how much I triggered them with the meme image about how the Technocracy is pro-military industrial complex and pro-labor exploitation, instead of the troon fantasy they projected on it.
>>96696093Your least shitty option is trying to get help saying that you have been kidnapped or something along those lines.
>>96696102While they are unashamedly pro-MIC, they still fight over labor exploitation.The "good" side of the Syndicate is very much in favor of the workers ("a happy worker is a hard worker" type mentality, and all that market forces stuff). The more extreme side of the convention, along with the NWO, on the other hand are very much in favor of putting you in the wage cage. And they're winning through sheer numbers.
>>96696124You have to realize the anti-labor exploitation number is even smaller when their ideals aren't realistic, and they have to eat a shit sandwich where putting wagies in the cage gets them more quintessence and stabilizes consensus (think think). So the end result of the Technocracy is: 80+ hours in the wagecage to eat bugs, live in a pod, and pay for a $1000 a month AI model subscription with higher utility bills.
>>96696102Good for you making actual art here and there.
>>96696112This nigga trying to go to prison in Japanese Hell.
>>96696102>Technocracy is pro-military industrial complex and pro-labor exploitationSo you're telling us redditards hate the based part of Technocracy and headcanon them into some utopian ideal? Crazy, really hard to believe
>>96686427Kindred of the East was literally made for this. There's even a Yomi Realm called Wicked City
>>96687930Ah, someone watched hysteria!
>>96696282The silent majority seems to know what the Technocracy is, but the vocal minority of troons who brigade with discord groups think that Trump is a nephandus and anything bad affiliated with technology has zero to do with Technocrats because they're busy fighting for trans rights.I'm zealously Ecstatic but when I see troons headcanoning the Technocracy's resources, operations and paradigm I want to strangle them. Earlier in this thread someone was saying Technocrats draw portals on paper with a pencil like Looney Tunes. This is what you'll inevitably interact with in the WoD spaces and it sucks.
>>96696446>I'm zealously Ecstatic but when I see troons>EcstaticAnon...
>>96696470I like dancing, music, fetishes and hate schedules. Should be based on vibes. Most troons wouldn't know freedom and ecstasy even if it chopped their penis off. I shouldn't have to be defending the Technocracy.
>>96696470>he believes in linear timengmi
>>96696133You think being a Tradition Mage is fighting an uphill battle?Try being a true Market Forces Syndicate Economist. It'd make "mass awakening" seem like a realistic end goal.
>>96696527If you include the state as part of the free market, where it's a king of the hill battle to see who's the best at leveraging capital to get unlimited free money, then you're actually the undisputed winner of the ascension war.
>>96696527WDYM? They always win in the end.Every economic model other than capitalism has collapsed under the weight of market corrections, which is why the NWO forced the syndicate to quietly convert america to socialist oligarchy under carter.
>>96696549I wouldn't consider the state as part of the free market. If anything it's the enemy.
