Kawaii Edition >Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>96680254>TQ:Which legacy faction do you think will be the first to return properly?
>TQDark Elves are the most obvious choice since they have no equivalent in Smegma. VC after them, probably just Necrachs and negromancers to not step on Smegmar's toes.
>>96704392I think Ogre Kingdoms will also be a choice when their AoS faction gets an upgrade. Lizardmen are one of the only Legacy army on the good guys' side, but their range is still very relevant in AoS so they'll sadly be likely the last.
>>96704363>Which legacy faction do you think will be the first to return properly?Definitely VC. Vampire Counts remains more popular than several supported armies.
where were the cathayan dragons during the end times?
>>96704480Eaten by Skaven I suppose
>namefagNope, thread filtered.
>>96704363Kislev, since if they want to move the story forward and cover the events of the Great War against Chaos, they'll need Kislev as a backdrop.
>>96704392>>96704452If we get new Necrarch and Von Carstein sculpts I'm gonna coom>>96704480Drowning in BOC, BCC, and Monkey King semen while other horrific Tzeentchian shit unfolded from within.>>96704515This is an inevitability but I don't think it'll be next.
>>96704480Yuan-Bo was killed by a random questing Bret Knight (probably not canon but I like the idea it still is) Ying-Ying still lost at sea.Ziao Ming still getting stoned on warp dust in the desert.Miao likely swallowed by northern invaders as the Great Bastion fell.Celestial Dragon Emperor probably waited too long to act and by the time he started to, his wife revealed she was Tzeench the entire time
>>96704480Miao Ying probably finished converting to Slaanesh by the time AoS rolls around
>>96704480Probably hiding, there is no way GWen insn't gonna introduce them in AoS
>>96704363>TQthe dark elves have their entire range in cities of sigmar for some reasonwould be stupid if they weren't next
>Want to do night goblins>Don't want to paint 200 modelsComplete newbie here, I don't own a thing but I've been reading a lot and talking with a friend who wants to get into it also but he's into 40k so he knows a lot of the basics.What's the deal with gobbo artillery? Seems a bit busted for how cheap it is for points. 4 bolt throwers? What do you do against that?Also why would I bring a rock lobber over a doom diver? Old world builder doesn't seem to tell me what I want for the doom diver, or I'm navigating it wrong somehow.
>TQI'm betting Dark elves first, then Demons, lizards, vampires, ogres, and chaos dwarfs. Skaven could literally be anywhere, I have no idea when they would want to refresh them. I'm going to guess we get Kislev before lizards at minimum. And an AJ for Dogs of War as their own full army to encapsulate Araby, Tilea, Border princes before vampires.
>>96704818Green skin artillery is very good for its price, the bolt throwers low bs makes them unreliable but they usually trade up. The doom divers probably the best artillery in the game . Painting goblins is fun, I’ve probably got 500 or so painted up
>>96704392>Dark Elves are the most obvious choice since they have no equivalent in Smegma.cities of sigmar has like nine subfactions. one of them is not!empire, the other eight are not!druchii.
new cathay models when? its already been 3 months
>>96705268Kek what the fuck? I thought they were with snake Morathi. What a retard game
>>96705155>15x6 gobbo archers>fanatics>proper sovlfvl spell effectsGod damn this would be fun to play against. Sick paintjob too, I love the glow effect on the footprints. What flock did you use for the grass?
>>96705357The witch elf part of dark elves is with morathi + warlocks. The rest of dark elves is in Cities, which until they recently got an actual aos release was really just a meme of a faction that existed solely to give people an excuse to play their old empire/dorf/elf collections. Now that cos are getting their own identity the remaining whfb leftovers will get filtered out, high and wood elves are already gone, dwarfs and empire are on death's door, and I expect the dark elf element to follow soon enough. Unlike say lizards or skaven I really don't thing aos gives a shit if they were to go back to tow. The problem is more the witch elves, but iirc gw could just bring back the older metal sculpts for that.
>>96705418The current AoS witch elves are just the 8th edition witch elves rebased, that would be a rare instance of James just straight up encouraging us to buy them for either gaem
>>96704480Doing what the Chinese did whenever a crisis appeared at their doorstepIgnore it until it is too late, then over correct but it doesn't matter because it is too late
>>96705282>its already been 3 monthsOh sweet summer child. GW is better about it than they used to be (Dark Eldar and Orks didn't get new codecies for more than a decade and they kept selling the wartrakk for ~20 years), but don't expect regular releases for anything.
Starting a new Orc army, got 62 boyz, the old official resin Wurrzag model, and a Grimgor proxy on the way. I want to add Black Orcs to my army, can I build them to all have two-handed weapons? Should I, or should I run choppa+shield or two choppas instead?
>>96705469They don't have to. Squig units were never released for TOW. The book doesn't tell people how to represent them on the table either. Yet somehow people know exactly what to do (buy them from AoS range).
>>96705544Not just the squigs but also the spider riders, arachnorak and trolls. Only the common trolls are available as their own TOW range.
>>96705544>>96705550Makes the autistic system separation even more baffling honestly, clearly the writers don't give a fuck
>>96705282First time?
>>96704480We'll get a rewrite of the end times just to add cathay
>>96704363>TQDark Elves would be the more likely candidate, but I genuinely doubt we'll see a Legacy faction making a full return.It is a problem because of the dichotomy that GW created with "Forces of Fantasy" (currently with 6 factions) versus "Ravening Hordes" (with 4 faction). With Kislev's inevitable release, the bad guys become terribly underrepresented.I believe that, instead of bringing Legacy faction, GW is going to announce brand new factions.
>>96702926No, unfortunately I'm in Toronto and we meet to play either in Vaughan or Stouffville.However if you're ever in the area let me know (just write in this thread) and I'll gladly try to organize for a game.
>>96706045I believe legacy factions will return. If tomb kings are considered evil, then so are counts and dark elves, while lizardmen are good. Ogres probably fall into the evil camp.
>>96706045>>96706110>AoS updates their Vampires>All the old VC sculpts can get brought back to TOW.>AoS updates their Ogres.>All the old Ogre sculpts can be brought back to TOW.>AoS makes new "Shadow Aevles".>Dark Elves can be brought back to TOW.Soon...
>>96706120Vampire update was several years before ToW released and GW didn't bring over anything
>>96706309because it wasn't anywhere near done, aos replaced grave guards, black knights and the dragon only this year, and even then the dragon and the hexwraiths and some other units are still locked
>>96706045>I believe that, instead of bringing Legacy faction, GW is going to announce brand new factions.That's the problem - all evil factions are legacy, including Dark Elves, Chaos Dwarfs, Chaos Daemons, Vampire Counts and Skaven.Outside those evil factions remain some very exotic like Fimir for instance, but I doubt they'd release a Fimir army. The only reasonable candidate would be Vampire Coast, but it falls into VC category imo. Or they can flesh out Norsca, but that army would be probably another iteration of Chaos Warriors.In other words - GW has no option, they need to bring back some evil legacy factions if they want to keep some consistency.My predictions:1. Vampire Coast. They can easily make a rooster that covers almost all VC units. Opportunity to release AJ with classic VC army (a necromancer invasion like Lichemaster attack on La Maisontaal or something like this);2. Skaven Pestilence Clan - AoS Skaven are focusing on Skryre-like army, Pestience is an unwanted child in AoS. Also, strong presence of Pestilence Clan in Lustria (and in Total War III);3. Dark Elves - obvious choice for reason already mentionen ITT. Also - they are living in Naggaroth, so it's close to Lustria, where Clan Pestilence and Vampire Coast operate. Of course we'd need Lizards too.All of those factions 9except Lizardmen) are evil - so it would fix the inbalance problem.
>>96706045Honestly the Wood Elves are more neutral than ebil
>>96706342Only reason GG and BK weren't replaced sooner is becaue they were trying to sell out all the wfb crap filling their warehouse. They designed a new Wight King they already squated that was only sold in a giant bundle with all the old shit they wanted to get rid off
>>96706045>bretonnia / tomb kings>empire / chaos warriors>cathay / undivided demons>kislev / norscans>dogs of war / vampire coast >dwarfs / orcs & goblins>wood elves / beastmen>high elves / dark elves
Is it just me or is it weird that chaos dwarfs can take a black orc warboss on a wyvern?Like, it's cool on the one hand, but on the other, why is a slave-commander given so much leeway that he gets such a powerful mount? Seems like quite a liability In any case, how would you differentiate the model so it's clear that it's for a chorf army?
>>96706740The Wyvern is mechanical and has a remote kill switch.
>>96706774So it's some kind of K'Daai construct? Could be an interesting idea
>>96706740I'm pretty sure orc units in a chaos dwarfs army represent mercenaries/allies more than slaves
>>96706740I'd use a third party model
>>96706848I'm pretty sure you're dead wrongChorfs have never seen greenskins as their equalsThey created black orcs, they didn't ally with them
>>96706884Black orcs broke out with the rebellion, since then they haven't had black orc slaves, they just hire black orcs from nearby free tribes.It's not a matter of respect, just practicality.
>>96706927you don't know what you're talking about TOW is set in the past - the roster (and the inclusion of black orcs) is clearly meant to be pre-rebellionBlack orcs are listed as 'core' and the warboss/bigboss can be designated as the general, for a reason
>>96706958tow is set in 2300IC more or less, the rebellion happened in -100IC
>>96706976the tow rules are just continuing what was the norm in the older rules
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>>96706512Wood elves, tomb kings, and ogres are neutral. Each for different reasons too.
>>96707089wood elves were never neutral.don't mistake being dicks to outsiders as being neutral.
>>96706406I would rather see Eshin than Pestilens. And then they could interact with the Chinese army.
>>96706740>>96706884Morglum Necksnapper used a HEAVY amount of Bull Iconography, I wouldn't have been surprised if he was working for the ChOrfs to some degree. Probably why Grimgor really hated the guy and offed him.
>>96706596Only the very stupidest people in the hobby think there's a vast warehouse product-repacking operation, making nefarious reboxing moves to "get rid of old stock". There isn't, faggot idiot.
>>96707162Bull imagery is found in a lot of black orcs in general due to the chorf origins, it doesn't necessarily mean allegiance to the chorfs, even the current models use a lot of horns.
>>96707124It's very neutral, literal Switzerland shit. They are only "good" in that they don't actively go out and start shit, but they almost always treat their Brettonian or Dwarf combatants the same as Beastmen and Orcs.
>>96707280That's so simplified to the point it's straight out wrong, they're good because they oppose the evil forces of the world (chaos, undead, hordes), they're not neutral just because they're also dicks to their neighbours when they fancy.An alliance with bretonnians is a fundamental point or their shared history.
>>96707325It was only an alliance of mutual agreement, they would have avoided it entirely if they had the option
>>96704363Which vampire cunt would be most likely to keep a pet skaven or have one on long term retainer? Gotta think Necharch. Maybe Strigoi.
>>96707380are you going to consider the empire and high elves neutral for that reason too?
>>96707404Any, really, it matches the bestial nature of strigoi, the freaklabs of necrarchs, a somewhat comical contrast with the lamain (like those bitches with ugly as sin chihuahuas)except blood dragon, unless we're talking an eshin master and the blood dragon is a weeaboo of some kind
>>96707428>Blood Dragon who keeps using ching chang proxies to hire out hits on himself from Clan Eshin
>>96707405That's not what neutral means you fucking retard
>>96705155I can't decide between assloads of fanatics and maxing out my artillery.I want to max out my artillery with 2 lobbers, 2 divers, and 4 throwers because then I'll paint them up like the Crooked Moon Traitorous Gits that took K8P and they have all these shiny new dwarf toys and make a shooty army.
>>96707428I love the idea of Lahmians keeping pet skaven as horrible monster chihuahuas and I am quite miffed I didn't think of it first.
>>96706045I maintain that Khemri and Orcs are neutral and that the only real evil is Chaos... even though it is chaotic necromantic magic that has ruined Khemri.
>>96707470dark elves are chaosundeath is chaosorcs are ugly, so they tag along with chaos
>>96706406>The only reasonable candidate would be Vampire Coast, Not so. They could always make a new range surrounding the Jade-Blooded vampires, and make them distinct from regular VC.
>>96707630nobody wants more eastshit
>>96707644>chaos dwarfs: east>ogre kingdoms: further east>cathay: even further east
>>96707644Lmao yes they do.Cathay already proved to be a success, so a brand new faction about eastern vampires would be equally as successful.
>>96707669cathay wasn't a success, the only push in sales happened by making their rules unreasonably overpoweredeastern vampires wouldn't sell either, the concept is shit
>>96707692It sold out on preorder worldwide anon, whether the rules are good or not doesn't make it not a financial success.
GW is posting an Errata for a book that's not out yet>https://assets.warhammer-community.com/eng_08-10_whtow_faqs&errata_settras_fury-p4fxvsyn9h-bu6twplljz.pdf
>>96707692>cathay wasn't a successOkay lol.>the concept is shitConcept is fine as long as GW will put some effort into it. However, I would prefer to see Vampire Coast before Eastern Vampires.
>>96707761Lmao Goonhammer said that is probably exactly how the rule would work and it does indeed work like that.Also get your shit together GW.
>>96707755selling out on preorder doesn't give any sense of the scale of salesthey might have produced 2 millions copies as well as just 2 copiesto imply it's indicative of anything is to assume gw produces the same amounts for everyone it does, which is simply retarded, they have expectations regarding what will sell and what will sell less and they overproduce or underproduce accordinglythe hilariously busted rules, which is something gw has consistently done with brand new factions with dubious appeal (like votann) doesn't point to them having that much confidence in the range selling on its own
"Vampire counts but cathay" is probably a bit too niche. If they want to go eastern I feel like nippon would have more appeal.
>>96707839>selling out on preorder doesn't give any sense of the scale of salesNo but it does serve as evidence that they sold out more than they expected to sell.
>>96707630GW devs have already said they don't have any plans for Jade-blooded outside of them existing, since they don't want "Body Horror" or to be stereotypical by doing Jiangshi models>JTY: Several Vampires whom we haven’t named fled here from Nehekhara, as did Hekate, who is named in certain novels. The Jade-Blooded do exist, though they’re probably not as you might imagine. We’ve steered clear of any tropes, but also of traditional Chinese Jiangshi – which fans of Chinese cinema will recall as stiff-limbed ‘hopping’ vampires. I love them, but they aren’t Warhammer.>Rob: We have consciously avoided any body horror, and we decided that while there are indeed Vampires in Grand Cathay, they aren’t relevant to the stories we are telling in the Old World. Like the Tigermen, they are another idea for the background file.
>>96707839As >>96707857 pointed out, selling out just means that Cathay sold MORE than they expected, which means the bean counters will be encouraged to give TOW and Cathay more budget in the future.
>>96707892Ching changs even existing is bad, I'm quite sad that dev time will be wasted on Hong Kong phooey.
>>96707997Lol american.
>>96707162"The only good stunty is a dead stunty, and the only thing better n' a dead stunty is a dyin' stunty who tells yer where to find 'is mates."—Morglum Necksnapper
>>96707997Oh yeah, feel free to hate Cathay and their ability to be better than everything (lore and mechanics wise) for sure.
Kislev will be revealed at Warhammer DayThe voices told me so
>>96707162I always found it funny that he rides a boar covered in bull iconography instead of just, you know, a bull
>>96708091I hate this faggot's ugly sameface pissed-off-expression garbage, like he's constantly drawing that one Eizouken girl with the overbite. Have a mossa palate cleanser.
>>96708178Why does every character this guy draws look like they're dying from a disease
>>96707470Chaotic in the same sense that all magic is chaotic. Necromancy =/= Chaos, that's Vlad von Carstein's entire shtick. He wants to be the tyrant of the world and use necromancy and vampirism to counter Chaos.And then there's Nagash, who just wants to kill fucking everything and be the "sole will of the world" or whatever retarded shit.
>>96708661Those are called shades and highlights. Try them some time
>>96708674nonsensical reply
>>96708664That's what they want you to think, but the only reason necromancy exists is because Amon'Chakai engineered the rise of Nagash.
>>96708727This comes as new, is it a joke or some forgotten implication?
>>96707839>hilariously busted rules doesn't point to them having much confidence in the rangesince when did GW need an excuse to release broken rules?
>coulda had cool wild and crazy orientalist arabian niiiiiiiiiiiiiights dirkas>instead we got generic Total War Three Kingdoms changs with anime roleplaying forum dragonsI am now glad Chaos won.
>>96708664>that's Vlad von Carstein's entire shtickThat trait was slapped onto his character only as late as the End Times. Between everything from army books, Savile's Vampire Wars trilogy, Night's Dark Masters, and Liber Necris, the only reason Vlad ever gave for getting up to his shit was his desire to see vampires be able to boss everyone around without worry of reprisal.
>>96705155Based goblin enjoyer. I was thinking about doing my night goblins with a yellow scheme. Thanks for making it a coin flip between yellow and blue/red.>>96706046>I'm in TorontoI'm so sorry.
>>96708743Not new very old, it's from the 5e champions of chaos book.
>>96709317>I am now glad Chaos won.But if gayos had lost we would have never gotten chinks since it would make too many armies to support.
>>96709695There's no mention of nagash in that book.
>>96709759There wouldn't be, how would Nagash even know? But it was Amon who used magic to get those dark elves stranded in Nehkhera knowing full well what it would lead to, it was one of the examples of how deliberately altered fate to screw over the world.
>>96709804>it was one of the examplesthat's not mentioned either, there are no examples provided
>>96709804Not that anon but I have that book opened to page 36 and 37, the pages concerning Amon 'Chakai, and the only passage pertaining to the dark elves reads as follows: "In the far north of the Dark Elf realm of Naggaroth, the Sorcerers of the Witch King studying the Realm of Chaos read their auguries and omens and shudder in terror, for they show a promise of the entropy and destruction brought about by Amon 'Chakai." (Pirinen, 1998, p. 36) Are you sure you're not referring to another book?
>>96709716GW would've done it since they want the Chinese audience. They've done dumber armies with literally no audience, like those dentist skellies or the nu-squats.
>>96706045The list not being alphabetical bothers me.
>>96707455Both are possible. And probably the best O&G lost so be ready for WAAC accusations.
>>96709847>>96709923No that's not it I (mis)remember a very specific passage somewhere about Amon taking a bunch of credit for world events, but this is from 25+ years ago when 5e was still the edition. My bad, I just checked the PDf and there is no mention. Don't knopw where I got it from then.
Beastlords are pretty damn big.
Gonna try to build this guy as a dragon by using manticore wings. The leftover manticore will be a chaos spawn with two heads
>>96710413that's going to be an awkward wings placement
>>96710403If you have to boss around minotaurs and centigors I expect you to be a big bastard. Doesn't make them stronger than Orcs, just bigger.
>>96710413Gayest model of all time. 200% pozzed
>>96710413Lame
>>96710597>>96710579What's the problem with that model?
The new Battlemarch mode seems pretty neat, going to use it to get my buds in. My question is - are you able to use/take units from the armies of infamy? It seems like its supposed to function like an allied detachment but it also says it removes limitations on 0-1000 stuff so Idk
>>96704818Rok Lobba is 20 points cheaper and has 4 wounds compared to the doom divers 3, which makes a huge difference when a cannon does an average 3 wounds
>>96709927>dentist skellieswat. Fill me in here, anon. Is this some Aos thing?
>>96706740Agreed, the fact that they can be the armies general to boot is also fucking retarded, Chaos Dwarves shouldn't be able to take better than a Black Orc Big Boss imo
>>96708091supposedly the promo shots of the range have already been taken
>>96710579There are absolutely worse models. Even if you're mad about her being black or a woman she comes with a pretty good helmet bit. You don't have to like that model, but it's laughable to call it the worst.
>>96710754I think he might be talking about Ossiarch Bonereapers in AoS ("dentist" because they have big smiles I guess)>>96706774That's actually a similar concept to what I'm converting up for my Hobgoblin Khan's wolf
bit of a /v/ question but I think it fits better herethe VA for Kerillian will be at a con later this monthshould I perhaps get her to sign my wood elf arcane journal or something?thought it might be a good idea
>>96711160VA for who?
>>96711178at a guess, you havent played the vermintide gamesshe's the wood elf in them, the only damn rep wood elves have outside of the tabletop
>>96711160I'd say yes. At worst you have a neat signature on an AJ. And its a talking point when talking to other players.
Can someone please explain why the least played army is getting the best competitive results? It's like the 1% owning the Lion's Share of the Global Wealth.
>>96711541It takes a special kind of person to rush out and buy a shitload of overpriced plastic balloons and then field them unpainted just to be on top of the meta ASAP.
>>96711541QRD on Wild Herd?
>>96711541There's huge bias there. Anyone autistic enough into competitive to have a totally new army painted and the WAAC plays mastered that quickly would probably win with any army.
>>96711589They should be hunted for sport tbqh
It's really strange to me that stormcast don't have a medieval knight looking unit with morning star flails that end in twin tailed comet-shaped ends
>>96711541Probably because people haven't got much experience playing against it?
>>96711596Primal lore is unusually synergistic with the army comp, and you still have access to beast lore signature spells if needed. And if you want to be a mad lad you can mega fuck things in magic with their shared casting. Plus all the standard beastmen benefits. Only thing I noticably miss is ghorgon.
>>96707692Anon the Cathay release was an objective success based solely on units sold which is the only metric that actually matters.
>>96711198Wood Elves have 4 different campaigns in Warhammer 3 (Durthu, Orion, Sisters and Drycha)
>>96704392Malerion is a much better for Malekith. There i said it.
>>96712272No
Is it just me or are great weapons a tad bit too cheap for what they do. Seems like any model that can take them does, and outside of elves striking last isn't that big of a deal this edition it feels. I dunno, I just know all my shit keeps getting wounded on 2s with no armor by stuff much cheaper.
>>96712272Malerion sounds like a brand name of a medication patented by an evil pharma giant.
>>96712272It sounds more like Nurgle, like "virion." They should grow some balls and just wrestle off the faggot Marvel lawyers.
I have Carcassonne PTSD from the Xbox 360 arcade version.I couldn't beat the AI because I didn't know where to put my guys and when I was building a fuckhuge castle, the jerk would put one of his meeples in a piece that didn't touch my castle yet so he would also score from all my work.And I'm not counting all the grass tiles. Ain't no way anybody gets the score right in manual Carcassonne games. Not a chance.
>>96712741Whoops.Please do not bully my inferior Carcassonne skills.
>GW official paint schemes >every TK model ever with skin had pale skin because Egyptians were not black like subsaharan africans were>cleopatra was Greek pale skinned >pharaohs tombs with paint from the period show they were pale skinned and all the dark skinned were the workers >new TK model with skin in 2025 >we wuz kangz
>>96712817Can you go watch Settra' skintone since 2003 please?
If I gave these guys dog/wolf heads, and removed the tails and other overt skaven elements, do you think they'd make effective khornegors?
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>>96712825Am I schizo or are recent AoS releases going extremely hard into shape motifs? I know that skaven have always had triangle motifs, but they feel SUPER triangular now, like how new CoS are SUPER diamond-y and HoH are SUPER hexagonal.
>>96712841CAD does that
>>96712817are we really doing this right now
>>96712847>nowAre you new here?
Many such cases
>>96712858This feels like a bad faith observation because you'd be shitposting if Cathay were diverse too
>>96712858Why would you keep in the indicator that you're screencapping a reply to your own post?
>>96712862There's a clear double standard. Everyone else is allowed their own history, while nonWhites are constantly shoved into ours for the sake of 'diversity'.
>>96712887So... you'd be fine if it were consistent, even if it meant Cathay had a variety of races depicted?
>>96712858>China is very proud of its heritageOh I guess we weren't proud enough, having conquered the entire world.>You can just say, "Actually you can't show us losing or body horror of us, we're perfect thanks, don't be insensitive. We don't die, actually. You people have sad culture and lack discipline, be like us."
>>96712862>we are being true to history>NOTeurope has blacks but NOTchina cannot because china will get mad at us>bad faithk>>96712876he was replying to me. you can look it up the post number is right there
>>96712909>>96712896
>>96712896not him, but yesthere are no blacks in cathay because GW knows china wouldnt like it.
>>96712909Reddit deserves a worse reputation
>>96712896I'm not the anon you were speaking to originally. But no, I wouldn't be because it's an anachronistic and cultural marxism. >If we're going to show a Warhammer culture that can be connected to the real world, we're going to make sure those people can see themselves in itwe wuz everthang bruh. It's fucking exhausting.
>>96712923plebbit is a gold mine
>>96712925>If we're going to show a Warhammer culture that can be connected to the real worldThis is the funniest thing.For years I'd complain about the "diversity" in models that are based on historical Europe in the real world and the reply was "ITS FANTASY - ITS NOT THE REAL WORLD OKAY?!?!"and then for catahy "Its like China! and everyone look Chinese right down to their traditional garb"fucking pick one.
>>96712930>fucking pick one.Okay. That's easy. The former. I wouldn't give a shit if Cathay got depicted with other skin tones, because I'm not a fucking freak like some of you.
>>96712930As ever, bon european nations belong to their respective peoples but Europe belongs to the world
>>96712939Or... anyone can paint their models however the fuck they want.
>>96712935>because I'm not a fucking freak like some of youWow so you're saying because China cares and mandates this and they frequently remove blacks from their movie posters and media that they are freaks? that's very racist of you. Bigot.
>>96712944>Wow so you're saying because China cares and mandates this and they frequently remove blacks from their movie posters and media that they are freaks?Yes. They are racist for that, and I think that racism is bad. You are attempt to point out a hypocrisy that does not actually exist.
>>96712947attempting*Oh boy, I bet you're gonna pounce on that one, ain'tcha?
>>96712951gb2reddit, you faggot.
>>96712942>Just paint it white broSiggypiggy forgot hes in the WFG
>>96712926What the hell IS that?I know it's a horse leg but why does it look like that and why is a hoof standing on a hoof? Is it some kind of colorful legging?
>>96712959>guy on the free speech and ideas website hates to see free speech and ideaslol every time
>>96712971weak bait
>>96712961I didn't tell you to paint anything white, or black, or whatever. I said to stop shitting your pants over the idea of someone else painting their models a color.
>>96712979I'm new and that image is fuzzy.So it's like a fuzzy decoration thing on the horse's leg?
>>96712979Reminder that the first thing people did when they got together was gave some guys some armor and told them to patrol. "We'll give you 10% of our shit and tend to your lands. Just keep... THEM out! You can dress up, we don't care."That's the first thing that happened in society. This was a choice.
>>96712986That guy will literally never answer you, especially since you just said you're new, because his entire character is being a hostile shitposter.It's a very awkwardly sculpted tuft of grass.
>>96712991I kind of doubt that. I'd say that gathering food or having sex would come before that.
>>96712973You should be in a place with like minded people rather than throwing a bitchfit here. There's a clear double standard and hypocrisy on GW's part. You deracinated niggerfaggot. All you've had to say is 'le racism bad'
Has anyone tried to combine empire knights with bretonnian knights? I.e. put the barding on top of the cloth elements on the horse?
>>96713001>You should be in a place with like minded people No such thing. Echo chambers are bad anyway.>rather than throwing a bitchfit here.This started with a guy throwing a bitchfit that the undead mummy guy was just a little too dark of a green for his liking.>There's a clear double standard and hypocrisy on GW's part.I agree, and I agree that it's a bad thing. Just not for the same reason as you.>All you've had to say is 'le racism bad'Well, no, considering the above. It's basically "GW is hypocritical + racism is le bad" vs. "GW is hypocritical + racism is le good". You have to admit that there's no more depth to your position than mine in that aspect.
>>96713000You'd be wrong.
>>96713017I think you are on the wrong website and you neeed to goback
>>96713023Wrapping back around I see: >>96712973
>>96713023>>96712858>TOW is the based chudgame full of nordic white males only>TOW is pozzed and defiled with black people and womenMake up your mind
>>96712817Looks more blue-gray to me. Look at the face, not the shadows.
>Want to do hordes of skeletons or gobbos>Keep slotting in high tier units and lots of artillery>End up with enough points for like 30 skeleton warriors with spears and 40 archers>Delete the list and start overWhy am I like this?
>>96713029WHF is the based chudgame. It was made by Games workshop old guardTOW exclusive new models are pozzed. They are made by zoomie nu games workslop reddit browsers.
>>96712887IRL "Southlanders" have no history, so they have to be shoehorned into ours to feel less pathetic.
>>96713029Fantasy was based to begin withAoS was cucked to begin with
>>96713037>TOW exclusive new models are pozzed.But... you just posted an image praising TOW exclusive models.
why are people so butthurt about china?
>>96712861Does that guy with the greathelm have a model? That would be fucking fantastic for a Gromril Greathelm in a kitbash
>>96713017It's wonderful that we agree on that bit, but it doesn't matter because of the double standard. Your view would make sense if this happened with every culture, but it doesn't. It's a clear agenda and it goes far beyond this game. You've done nothing but say racism is bad and constantly pose questions without ever defending your own view. Explain to me why it's good or should be accepted.
>>96712923Even normalfags despise them, more than they despise us. They just know us as "that one racist website."
>>96713049Well frankly I think that people shouldn't give a shit about the colors of skin depicted on models in a wargame at all. If your models are all white, fine; if they're all black, fine; mixed, fine etc. I don't think that it's "good" to have that sort of diversity present; it's just neutral. And to be frank (and this is something I bet I could never post on Reddit), I do view it a little cynically, and there's a bit of me that thinks it's either 1. a really hackneyed way to sell more brown paint or 2. extremely low-effort attempts to come off as "progressive" whilst not actually doing anything truly progressive in nature. I think that pandering is to be avoided not because I don't like the people being pandered to, but because the nature of pandering is per se manipulative and ingratiating.I'm going to sleep, so I'll leave off with my most important point: GW should make Sky Lanterns weak to flaming attacks.
>>96712979>the Crusades were LITERALLY the WORST THING EVER>oh the Muslims? they dindu nuffin wrong they wuz good boizLmao. Even the surrender of Jerusalem at the end of the Third Crusade that was lauded as so beneficent and merciful in Kingdom of Heaven ended in mass rape and enslavement, they just allowed the richfags and about half the population to leave instead of outright slaughtering everyone. Muslim accounts describe in vivid detail how virgin Christian women were pulled from their homes and publicly raped. B-but muh poor browns!The Crusades were cool as fuck and both sides were cool as fuck and vicious as fuck. Muslims were better strategists fighting on their home terf, European logistics were spread too thin and support wavered, and eventually Muzzies won the day, it is what it is. I'm just tired of ignorant American liberal FAGGOTS crying about muh poor innocent Mooselimb victims when the First Crusade was a response to Muslim aggression in the first place.
>>96713037Based Szechuan gutter oil plastic enjoyer. Reminder: you will not be missed!
>>96713069>make Sky Lanterns weak to flaming attacksI never considered this before, pretty big oversight
>>96713069>>96713113>GW should make Sky Lanterns weak to flaming attacks.why? are other wooden chariots weak to flaming attacks? sky lanterns dont use gas, if thats what you are getting at.
>>96713023I hope this is the real gobbopepeposter because he had the gobbos to back it up and that was truly based.
>>96713117They're fucking balloons made out of (possibly reinforced/fireproofed?) cloth, which is flammable, and presumably use some kind of oil to keep the flame lit, which would be fucking explosive. They also have a shitload of black powder sitting out in the open canopy which a lucky fireball or flaming breath could obliterate.
>>96712817Don't think this one is wewuzing. Mummies were coated in dark resin and tar and that's probably what the blue-black color represents here.
>>96713120The problem is 2 of my boys cost 200+ a piece because, after all, why shouldn't I have 2 level 4 wizards with heiratic jars?My tomb guard shall never fall! ARISE!
>>96713140no, they use firebirds to make the thing fly. so it makes sense that the cloth is processed in a way to make it not catch fire as easily. >>96713140>They also have a shitload of black powder sitting out in the open canopyonly if you use the bomb loadout, which is optional. doubt 5 crane gunner would carry so much black powder.
>>96713145I just thought it looked like sickly dead flesh... you know, like if some sort of evil black magic infested your long dead body.
>>96713044Cathay was handled delicately and culturally sensitively, Bretonnia and Empire had as many blacks as possible crammed in to their officially advertised studio armies and WFRP depictions. Not to mention Lords of the Lance, WFRP, and the new KOTR on Foot shitting all over Bretonnian Knight lore by having openly female knights, some of them using fucking BOWS on horseback. People are right to seethe, give these faggots an inch and they'll start making official Empire/Bretonnian pygmy models instead of just painting them that way.
>2 level 4 wizardsI didn't realize I was speaking to a WAACunt, advice retracted
>>96713179how is this chinas fault?also, cathay has female models as well, more so than empire and bretonia, which is based.
>>96710723Do you have scans of the Battle March rules?
>>96713217I dislike the female models they did for Cathay too, but they were very, VERY careful to not include a single black person in their advertising, official art, and studio paintjobs for Cathay, which they obviously did not do for Bretonnia and Empire. It's just painfully obvious what they're doing; they know the Chinese/Asian market would never tolerate this bullshit and sales would suffer, so Cathay is mysteriously diversity-free.
>>96713254doubt that cathay sold more in china than in europe/US, so they are not the main target audience.>diversity freethey have ogres, which are fat ugly white men.
>>96713291>whiteI've always thought they were loosely Mongorian
>imagine posting models
>>96713298They are hence some of them have kinda slanty eyes, wispy facial hair, and steppe nomad type trappings on them
>>96713498>check it
>>96713498>tfw undefeated
>>96713507>under featedftfy
>>96704616>>96704616Did you save that image recently in another thread on /tg/?If so, thank you for keeping alive my 14 years old jpg
>>96713553Can't be defeated if you never fight. Sun Tzu said that
>>96704363>bellIs that a Clan Pestilens mongo? Why would they even approach one?
>>96713498>>96713506>tfw off by one
>>96712272Of course an ESL who can't remember when he should use nouns would think that. A "much better" what?
>>96712272It works as the name he would be given at birth, considering his father was aenarion and his half brother morelionbut malekith sounds edgier, so it fits better his persona once he becomes elven darth vader
>>96713077>First Crusade was a response to Muslim aggression in the first place.And this is why first crusader state was built in Edessa populated and ruled by armenian christians.
is pic related the most probable first wave for a Kislev launch? Following Cathay's example, it seems like Streltsi would be the first unit to get cut unless they somehow made the kossar kit into a hybrid one but that is very unlikely for current GW.
>>96713498Is this new art for TOW????
>>96713750You make it sound like they slaughtered the Armenians or something. Without their diplomatic success with them, they wouldn't have been able to establish a foothold. If you want to talk "Christians losing sight of the goal" then talk about the Sack of Constantinople or the retarded forays into Egypt.
>>96713672Maybe him going back to Malerion could be a sign of a redemption arc. Speaking hypothetically, of course.
>>96713790Nope, for Total Warhammer 3 (which is currently in a huge controversy).
>>96712272you are correct.
How would you go about Imperializing some dwarf warriors and quarrelers? I’ve got feathers, headbands, filing down helmets to give them hats and maybe switch great axes for halberds. Any other ideas or inspo?
>>96713904More swords, fewer axes, swap their shields, give the characters/champions fluted breastplates and landsknecht hosen
What are the most unique units you could produce with the Renegade Crowns list?
>>96713911I think the breastplate fluting is going to be impossible, just look at the minis. The hosen and puffy slashes would be good greenstuff practice though.
>>96713904Just get highland or MOM minis ones desu, they're greatIf you really want to convert, puffy sleeves is the most important bit
>>96713778you forgot the ice guard
>>96714016I was eyeing those two. Which one would better fit next to a GW dawi size wise?
>>96714027I think the MOM ones would be better - highland scales well with your 8th ed dwarf kits and new characters - whereas MOM is more scaled like your basic infantry
>>96714025true though there's not a lot of wriggle room within the precedent from Cathay for 8 kits at launch. I guess with no giant model like Miao Ying required they might make an additional infantry kit or perhaps the ice witch could be a hybrid kit with the boyar?
>>96712926>newfags are newfags and ignorantWOW I'm literally shaking at this revelation!!!(you should go gather more material, don't bother coming back)
>>96714042Alright, so Highlanders are better for bit looting, while MOMs are like actual models in a similar style and size. I’ll give one dwarf a shot before deciding. Stay tuned!
>>96713778Would they do Tzar Guard/Armoured Kossars before regular Kossars and Steltsi?
>>96714081they did jade warriors before peasants and standard kossars are more unique originally being bow and great weapon infantry, so not really the sword and board most factions get for core. It sort of depends if GW want to make Kislev very ranged heavy or not.
>>96713904If you like old school looking dwarfs, Black tree design sells dwarf quarrelers (and thunderers) wearing what are basically reinassance garbs; puffy sleeves, feathered hats and all.I have a ton of them I'm slowly painting and every time I finish one I think that they'd make a great empire contingent.http://www.stunties.com/stunties/index.php?title=Black_Tree_Dwarven_Regiments#FA0931.2F932.2F933:_HammerersAgain, they're very old school but a unified colour and basing scheme will let them mix and match with different models
So one of the geek retreats near me is going out of business, as they tend to do after a couple of years, and i picked up the beastmen, dwarves and cathay battalions for cheap.I have a couple of beastlords and bray shaman from AoS for my Beastmen but what Hero would you recommend Cathay or Dwarves use for 500-1000pt games? i'm planning to use them with the new books rules to get some friends into the game as they fell off AoS hard with 4th edition and are looking for something new and lord help me i dont want to go back to 40ks soulless tourneyshit.
>>96714159These are great. I love the colorscheme too.
>>96704480Cathay was completely infested with a Tzeentch cult. the dragons were all killed off and the whole nation became chronenburg chaos spawn.
>>96714224I misread your first line as "greek restaurant" and was VERY confused.
>>96713778>>96714025>elemental bear / elemental bear ridden by special character ice witch on an ice throne>lord on bear / ice witch on bear>lord on steed + on foot + optional banner>ice witch on steed + on foot + snow cat >infantry with s+shield / with gunaxes>ice guard with polearms / with bows>winged lancers >bear cavalry>little grom / heavy war sledsecond arcane journal is accompanied by rules for a made to order run of old kislev models>kossars with bows>necromunda kislev warband>necromunda thing in the woods>ungol horse archers plus the incarnate elemental of beasts, rules to turn one cavalry unit into gryphon legion, and to convert light war sleds that are pulled by horses instead of bears and ridden by kossars with bows instead of streltsialso empire mercenaries because every human army needs those
my dad works for gw and he say we get new mordheim next week
>>96714235>mama mia there is-a too many goblins in bubis krebechznecabecklamek sauce! our third wedding of the day is ruined!
So how you niggs feeling about the rumors second edition is going to be a Kislev versus Ogre Kingdoms affair versus the rumblings of new none aligned demons and vampires?
>>96714259You're mixing greeks and italians
>>96714267That's not a rumor, that's just bullshit you vomited on the spot.Also no new ogre kingdoms or new vampires that aren't of the wet variety.
>>96714271Whats the difference beyond the body hair being more on men or women?
>>96714267I dont see Ogres für TOW with them getting new models in AoS
>>96714267Cathay's books talk about them fighting only ogres and chaos. Chaos isn't really doing shit right now but the ogres and basically always on their bullshit as is their nature. Throw on top of this AoS scrapping the current WHFB ogre model line and its gotta go somewhere i fully expect them to get De-Legends'ed because now the map goes all the way from Nehekara to Grand Cathay so 'greenskin' players, though personally i feel its odd GW rolls Ogres into that scrum, get something for the eastern portion with a very different tone to orcs and goblins in the empires forests. Which was the whole point of ogres to begin with.
>>96714267Pretty slick. I'm bouncing between this and the rumored Dark Elf vs Lizardmen starter set.
>>96714274The language, for starters
>>96714267Ah so the meme ran into the ground is going to be mongolians raping russians i see. The more things change huh?
>>96714291did the old skaven models go anywhere, after they were refreshed last year ?no, they didnt.
NEW MILITIAEWMILITIA
>>96714281>I dont see Ogres für TOW with them getting new models in AoSThe rumors say its a complete range refresh with a thematic overhaul to a more caveman ascetic. If that is the case the old miniatures are good to go for TOW, in the first place we have chaos warriors and night goblins both are still in AOS and that doesn't seem to pose a problem. To be fair I'm pic related because I want my hungry boys back
>>96714305But the Skaven have a reason to not be in ToW right now. They are having a big civil war in the under empire and thats why they are gone so long the empire considers them an urban legend like their version of sasquach or mothman.Ogres have not gone anywhere and don't have that reason to be seperate when books released this year talk about them as a raiding force accosting people trying to travel the roads to cathay. Thats the difference. The only reason they weren't in when ToW came out was because the original sell was a hard focus on the empire. Now we have Grand Cathay and whats between Cathay and the Dwarves on the map? The Ogres on the mountain range that divides Cathay and the Empire. Meanwhile the Skaven may as well not exist in the setting right now just as theres no Nagash because hes dead dead right now.
Games Workshop? You mean Warhammer?
>>96714305At this point in The Old World there literally are no Skaven armies on the surface. Ogres are where they have always been. Only change is its now canon the Celestial Dragon pulled down a warpstone comet to try and scare them off and ended up creating the great maw that unified them.Woops.
>>96714234>Cathay was completely infested with a Tzeentch cult. the dragons were all killed off and the whole nation became chronenburg chaos spawn.No, they'll make the celestial dragon emperor Dracothion in AoS and the only reason he was able to create a new realm for Sigmar was because Cathay survived and is floating in not!space like the lizardmen temples.
The only people who can't see which way the wind is blowing for the return of Ogres are Skaven players being pissy they are left out. Which i understand its a fair and valid way to feel but its also being a little bitch about it.
>>96713077>Muslims were better strategists fighting on their home terfI wouldn't call field around Nicopolis muslims home terf
>>96714340I'm talking about the real history bro. Its call the Cult of Chi Chien or something. At this point in time its considered a reclusive monastic order but its 1000% a Tzeentch cult getting up to shit like the Centipede monks in Sekiro.
>>96713778Probably
So based on first edition what are you expecting overall from 2nd edition in terms of releases? new armies exclusively? stuff leaving legends? new units for existing armies? new kits for existing ancient ranges?
>>96714354>I'm talking about the real history bro.Yes, but I just told you what the nu real history will be.
>>96714371>He thinks End Times are happening still.Bro we are the alt timeline spin off game not Age of Sigmar. Accept it we get to save the world.
>>96714368I expect Kislev and a new incarnation of Dogs of War as new armies.I expect Vampire Counts and Ogre Kingdoms are leaving legends.I expect more heros for existing armies but no new units.I expect the better selling armies will have some old metal stuff replaced with cheaper plastic/resins. Centigors, Treants, stuff like that.
>>96714305not yet, but they might
>>96714305>They bring Skaven back to Fantasy>But this includes the old Globdiers>With the same pricing
>>96714383>>96714344>>96714267any reason why you're tunnel-focusing on ogres out of the blue?
>>96714395Age of Sigmar is apparently about to preview their Ogre Mawtribes line refresh which is all new sculpts replacing the ones currently used that are all, for the most part, 6th edition WHFB models. Combined with all the Grand Cathay stuff talking about them as their big none chaos enemy when the game seems largely focussed thematically on border clashes it seems a pretty logical choice they will do with them what they did when all the Empire models had the same happen with Cities of Sigmars line revamp.With the rumblings we are finally getting some Kislev reveals it would make sense to have them go up against Ogres as they are the only cold weather army other than Chaos and Kislev themselves.That and if you know your real world history the Tsars vs the Khans is a good thematic choice to start a new edition with.
>>96714383The whole point of TOW was to have the old metal models come back. I don't want it to be replaced, I want more old metal models. They have damn near 40 years worth of metal chaos models to pick from and they've only given us the stuff from 6th edition. I want 5th ed metal chaos champions and sorcerers! And the ones from 4th and 3rd, too. Plastic sucks, GW hasn't made a good chaos character in plastic ever, at least not from my perspective.
>>96714426I'm not saying i want it i specifically say i expect it. This is GW. Like Nintendo they see themselves as a toy company first and us old grogs already have models so they need a new thing to sell the redditors.
>>96714426>GW hasn't made a good chaos character in plastic everForgetting when Underworlds gave us a big fat gross nurgle hag-witchIf you hate that shit you are not at all bussin' and quite cringe unc.
>>96714426Metal minis STINK GRAMPS
>>96714422So in short, schizophrenic speculation?The ogres have to be mentioned in the cathay journal because they have the one preexisting piece of cathay lore, and a number of other factions are mentioned despite not getting models, the big rulebook doesn't shy away from mentioning lizardmen, for example.Something getting updated in aos has no direct implication about the old minis reappearing in aos for the foreseeable future, and when gw does starter sets with new stuff, it's new stuff on both sides, not one side with new stuff and one side with old stuff, and tow would not waste shit on new ogre kingdom kits.Ogres aren't more likely to reappear than skaven or lizards or vampires or chorfs are.
From what my sources tell me we’ll get a refresh of some Empire minis and a new landship model as well as new heroes and updating the last of the old plastics. Especially new militia. We’ll also get everything we’ve ever wanted.
>>96714502What sources?
>>96714510>>96714245This guy’s dad
>>96714444That's the problem, I'm not a grog. I wasn't alive, let alone into Fantasy, when the models I want were in production. I like the old metal models a lot and I want to add the ones I haven't been able to find second-hand even after searching for them for 4+ years to my army. GW can and has been making new plastic models, and people have been buying them, but they're not what I want. I see no reason why they couldn't appeal to multiple customer bases by continuing to bring old models back into production while also making new plastic models. I've posted about this before, but it took me the entire time I've been collecting my chaos army to get my hands on chaos warriors 1 and 3 in this picture, and that's just two models. It would be advantageous for me if GW would at least try to break out the old molds and cast some white metal, even if it's only on a MTO basis. As for what redditors want, I don't think GW would lose money on this sort of thing. Most of the people I play games of WHFB with can be described as reddit-adjacent and they often times have or purchase more metal models than I do.
>>96714325According to the rumour non of the "Beastclaw" models are getting touched so Towgres would be just a few models on foot with either no big units or 30 year old monsters that look comically tiny next to anything ever made in plastic
>>96714559nta, but new mournfangs are part of the rumors for aos, but even if they weren't, 6th ed ogre kingdoms worked perfectly fine without big monsters and they could bring back the resin rhinox riders, or just the profile as something to convert, if they wanted so.
>>96713140Shouldn't this also be applied to the war wagon then?
>>96714464The difference is stuff like Lizardmen are "theres some wierd stuff off the map". Ogres in the cathay book are "This is out Orcs in the Empire. These guys are a constant problem every day".To put this into perspective they built a great wall/fortress across their entire northern border and for the most part that keeps chaos out. NOTHING they have tried has stopped the ogres and that included bringing down a comet of warpstone that made a chaos desert and a tunnel through the world.
>>96714615There's no such difference, you wish there was, but there isn't.
>>96714615>Try to add fantasy mongols>Ends up being protobrits sitting in their bogs having a reet larf at the romans seething that these pagan bog men refuse to do slave labour or follow rules.Simple as, appy days, all the best lads cheers.
>>96714627I mean they are fantasy mongols desu, it's just that they're equally fantasy Neanderthals
>>96713077>Even the surrender of Jerusalem at the end of the Third Crusade that was lauded as so beneficent and merciful in Kingdom of Heaven ended in mass rape and enslavement, they just allowed the richfags and about half the population to leave instead of outright slaughtering everyone.And I'm sure the crusaders were nice and polite to everyone and only engaged in honorable conduct. They surely didn't do things like massacre thousands of civilians after taking Jerusalem.
>>96713077>the crusades were a response to Muslim aggression>the Muslims were fighting on their home turfWhich is it anon?
>>96714647Like I said, they did equally vicious shit too, but one side is vilified and one side is idolized. Certain people will make any excuse to vilify and denigrate the people and history of Europe.
Thoughts on my starting empire list?Marienburg Starter List [1496 pts]Warhammer: The Old World, Empire of Man, Open WarGeneral of the Empire, Full plate armour, Shield, General, Demigryph, Ruby Ring of Ruin - 183Wizard Lord, Wizard [Level 4 Wizard], Pegasus, Lore Familiar, Elementalism - 22020 Free Company Militia, Militia leader (champion) - 12720 State Troops, Shields, Full Command - 13510 State Missile Troops, Handguns, Sergeant (champion) [Hochland long rifle], Full Command - 11310 State Missile Troops, Handguns, Sergeant (champion) [Hochland long rifle], Full Command - 113Great Cannon - 125Great Cannon - 12516 Manaanite Cultists (Flagellants), Prophet of Doom (champion), Standard bearer - 2223 Imperial Ogres, Heavy armour, 3x Light cannons, Captain (champion) - 133
>>96714702None white hands typed this.
>>96713498This official art?
>>96713879Which controversy?
>>96714688>brutalize, conquer, and slaughter Christians in the Levant and invade Europe>get btfo and counterinvadedAbloobloo the evil Christians invaded us for no reason! Get fucked you dumb cunt.
>>96714709>None whiteRude dumb ESL scum
>>96714702>Like I said, they did equally vicious shit too, but one side is vilified and one side is idolizedAnon I can guarantee you there only people idolizing and villifying anybody aren't villifying the crusaders and idolizing the muslims
>>96714688How ignorant can you be?Islam didn't always exist retard, it post-dates Christianity by 600 yearsAll the territories you think of as Muslim countries today were Christian lands prior to Islam conquering outwards, and they took them by the sword, and were in the process of continuing westward for 400 years prior to the first crusade being called
>>96714688Smartest leftist
>>96714750There absolutely are, because there are a lot of self-hating white people out there who will jump on the bandwagon of denouncing their own group to appeal to the dominant morality of equal and therefore seek social status and power over others
>>96714767*equality
>>96713778>Tzarina Mishenka (or her son Prince Alexis)>a Boyar on foot & mounted(either on a horse or bear)>an Ataman on foot & mounted>Streltsi>Winged Lancers>Bear Cannon>War Bear Riders>Elemental BearAside from the elemental bear, I think all of these are likely to come out.Moreover, since Kislev used to have a model range GW will definitely bring their old models back as well (even if as time-limited MTOs).
Okay setting aside /pol/ forgetting this isn't his Fell For It Again general on the wrong board where are people getting their good third party movement trays from? 3d printed or etsy or whatever?
>>96714688Both sides where based beyond believe and I hate how we can't have crusaderkino anymore because of you know who.
>>96714729>Brutalize, conquer, and slaughter jews and Muslims in the Levant and invade the middle east>>get btfo and counterinvadedAlso who actually got btfo before during the crusades? Certainly wasn't the group who actually ended up with Levant by the end of them.
Did we ever get a Melkhior model? I'm interested in Necrarchs lately.>>96714782I would help you out if you didn't ask in the faggiest fucking way possible, kys.
>>96714767Appealling to equal treatment doesn't entail villifying one and idolizing the other lol. This is just projection
>>96714752>All the territories you think of as Muslim countries today were Christian lands prior to Islam conquering outwardsAnd how did they become christian lands anon? I'll give you a hint: it wasn't through conversion.
>>96714800>Also who actually got btfo before during the crusades?Muslims in the first couple, for sure. They also were so wracked with internal strife by the Sixth Crusade that they surrendered Jerusalem without a fight.
Both of you fuck off this isn't /pol/ and nobody cares about you.
>>96714780>>Tzarina Mishenka (or her son Prince Alexis)>>a Boyar on foot & mounted(either on a horse or bear)>>an Ataman on foot & mounted>>Streltsi>>Winged Lancers>>Bear Cannon>>War Bear Riders>>Elemental BearYou forgot something
>>96714809>how did the lands Christianity originated in become ChristianKWAB
>first box art in a gorillian years to have no PoCare... are they finally listening?>age of queermari think this was originally for TOW because the weapons arent oversized and these are all passable as TOW characters, even the Southern Italian sorceress on the left
>>96714823>this isn't /pol/newfag detected.WHF is the game of TWM/wfg/ is the thread of TWM
>>96714780I hope they keep the bear and ice shit to a tasteful minimum, TWW flanderized the fun out of them.
>>96714846Hey man a new cursed city release has us eating like necromunda players.
>>96714852>gobbo knoifing the stormgroidKek, nice touch.
>>96714809Ever heard of the Roman empire? Take that empire, and make Christianity (after an intense period of persecution) into the main religion, ta da, it's not that complicated
>>96714863
>>96714846>no PoChow are you missing the indian lady of the loo?
>>96714856Him not gripping that shield (more of a buckler to him) in the center is grinding my fucking gears
>>96714883Its a wrist mounted buckler mate, hes got to keep his stabbin' hand free.
>>96714876shes just a tanned italian
>>96714872Fire Punch would've been a solid 9 or 10 without the obnoxious tranny friend.
>>96714876>lady of the loo?The knights don't ride horses, they clamber onto overcrowded trains and fall off at various points and get rekt
>>96714876>lady of the looFucking kek, thread is on a roll today
>>96714828Hmm, I don't believe I have. I think I have enumerated all the other anon's guesses.>>96714853I don't think there will be such luck, as Kislev's design in Total Warhammer 3 were made my both CA's and GW's teams.Be ready for Priests of Ursun, Ice Witches, Ice Guard and other bear units.
>>96714876She''s Brahmin, of the highest cast, so it's alright.
>>96714846>Nurgle>intended for TOWis this utter cope and delusion?
>>96714876She's one of the extinct aryan Indians anon, you should know that
>>96714267>Kislev versus Ogre KingdomsYou picked the two most unlikely factions to come back out of your ass and called it a rumor. Dark Elves are much more likely, followed by Necrarch/necromancer-heavy VC
I made the mistake of checking in on /aosg/ recently.They're still testy about a couple of releases. Also, I think one got triggered by a question and tried to invent a new hypothetical gender
>>96714981>dark elves>*psssssh*>HUUUFFFFFFFFF
>>96714804Not in theory, but in practice it does. It's so bad, that this group of people has became deranged enough to actually have out-group preference, compared to any and all kinds of other racial groups.
>>96714986Me when Morathi has a tummy ache
I am rebasing my 3500 points of Ogre Mawtribes for ToW and theres nothing you can do to stop the Lunch Lads return.
>>96715035(Re)based
>>96714898>Dedicated shitting streets instead of shrines
>>96715058Dedicated juggernaut war temple so I can crush my own units for divine benefits fucking when?
>>96715035Why would anyone want to stop you from rebasing your models? Just don't bring over the AoS mentality and you'll be fine, nobody will care that you used to be a circle-lover.
>>96715081This would be sick as fuck. I could see an Ind army being badass if done properly, just take heavy aesthetic inspiration from the pajeets from Berserk and then throw some half-cobra women in there.
>>96715147Actually I just wanted to be racist but yeah there are some cool ideas in the concept for sure
>>96714688The Crusades were a literal reaction to decades of aggression and the attack on Rome. to point fingers one way is fucking stupid.im a alt leftist and i fucking know this why dont you?
How are Gnoblars in TOW right now? in AoS they may as well not exist but i miss fielding a big block of those pie stealing little cunts and the trappers.
>>96715081>>96715147imagine the juggernauts in fantasy, lmaoi'd love to be the brown menace on the table top
>>96715262Don't be Islamophobic, anon. What's a little rape, pillage and murder between friends? It's what multiculturalism is about!>>96715287I'm sure Khorne will appreciate the great mass of bodies and sacrifices for a single victory.It's like Skaven, but less gay.
>>96715287>juggernauts smearing their way across the battlefieldRedeemed!>>96715287>KhorneNot Nurgle in this case?
>>96715390>>96715468might end up being the Titans for Fantasy
>>96715468>Not Nurgle in this case?Nurgle would fit more with all the flesh paste the juggernaut would leave behind, the perfect breeding ground for diseases and little critters.Khorne would probably hate it because it crushes the skull.
>>96715287>>96715485looks more like something equivalent to a screaming, no need to make it any larger
>>96715468Nah, the Juggernaut is specifically about violent crushing death, there's no place for slowness or creeping decay of Nurgle there.Doesn't have to Khorne, exactly, since every other faction gets their own gods, the Rat, the Maw, the Dragon Dogs, even Ursun.I'm sure Araby or Indo will have their own somethings, mimicking and/or aspects of the Chaos Gods.
>>96715505>no need to make it any larger
>>96714780Kislev probably have more scope for hybrid kits, kossars could double as streltsi with a weapon swap, winged lancers could double as the horse archers and the bear sleds could double as little grom. Two hero kits like Cathay should handle pretty much all their heroes and characters even, not like alexis or mishenka should have anything very specific about them.
>>96714809but it was though, that's literally where christianity was born and where people started to believe in christislam however spread through wars of conquestit's literally in the fucking quran too
>>96715544>winged lancers could double as the horse archers no, just no
>>96714982Which ones are they testy over?
I would do it like this:>Gospodar named Character (Resin)>Ice Witch on foot (Resin)>Mounted/On foot Boyar kit (BSB)>Kossars>Winged lancers/Gryphon Legion>Ungol Horse Archers (old kit)>Strelsti (Could be duel kit with Kossars)>Ice Guard>War Bear Riders (Include bits for Boyar/Ice Witch on bear included in kit. Ice Witch is modelled in such a way that she is easy to add to a Winged Lancer Horse.)>Elemental Bear>MTO of Boris, Katarin and the old Mordheim stuff2nd Wave>Ungol Named Character>Armoured Kossars/Tzar Guard>Bear Sled/Bear Cannon>New Ungol Horse Archer Kit
>>96715800>last thread was fake chorfs>thread before that cities of sigmar design>thread before that beastman changes>thread before that battleforce and a couple characters with extra genders>thread before that something about TOW>some anons complaining it's people complaining about every release
>>96715925Doesn't surprise me honestly, there's definitely bitching about TOW in here but TOW is in a MUCH better state than AoS 4e.TOW tries to emulate and improve on 6e mostly, to various degrees of success depending on who you ask. AoS 4e just simplified the system to shit so much people prefer the side/mini game Spearhead over the actual game.
>>96715915>MTO of Boris, Katarin and the old Mordheim stuffMake it a MTO of the entire Mordheim range and I'll buy their entire stock
>>96715976yeah their 2e days of glory are long behind them, though I think what people envy about TOW is that it still has so much scope left whereas every other franchise feels very played out.
>>96715915>Resinconsidering cathay has no resin model, I think tow wants to avoid resin altogether for future ranges
You cannot convince me this isnt the best beastman art
>>96716082Maybe, but considering Kislev doesn't have as wide or whacky a unit list as Cathay, I think they need to have more units part of the launch when introduced, so I would happily take a couple of Resin character models so we can get more plastic infantry units.
>>96716096i like the one that depicts the opening of the polar gates where a dude's spine is ripping itself out of his back
>>96716096The image of the fall of the polar gate with men and animal mutating on the spot is better, but I understand if you don't consider it a proper beastman illustration.
>>96715129>nobody will care that you used to be a circle-lover.I careall roundies get OUT
>>96715147There are the sorcerer kings from Conquest TLAOK, but I don't know. The Indian aesthetic never did anything for me.
What are your 500pt lists for the new bullshit?
>>96716320>Beastlord>Bray Shaman>1x 20 Gors with Command>1 x 10 Ungor with Bows>2 Minotaurs>5 Chaos HoundsIts not much but its honest work. I've seen some people just do minotaurs and razergores but that seems to be a bit against the spirit of the thing to me, small scale should be dudes in ranks not monsters.
>>96716096most anons here have an autistic dislike of goat beastmen so expect otherwise
>>96716320Are those in the matched play guide?
>>96715925You sure spend a lot of time in /aosg/ anon...
>>96716320Ogres>Bruiser hero>1 unit fo 3 Ogre Bulls>1 unit of 3 Ironguts>1 unit of 2 Sabretusks>1 unit of 2 LeadbelchersNeed to check the latest faq for points but my team "Brasks Bully Boys" has been fun at the locals 500 points fridays.>>96716374The Setras Fury arcane journal coming out on the 18th, i think, includes new rules for 500 and 750 point games. Its basically ToW Spearhead or Boarding Partys. Mostly a good way for beginners to try and an excuse to make a small army of something you dont want a giant army of.Only word of advice is due to the budget command feels like a way bigger choice to include or not but thats part of the fun.
>>96716413Is this just the AoS ogre spearhead box?
>>96716383>reading through some recent threads took 40minsTry it some time, you'll get a good laugh. Is it really that crazy to see what other anons are talking about on the same board?
>>96716433Plus 2 cats and 10 square bases.
>>96716340>>96716413are 500 points fun?
>>96716435
>>96715544This >>96715635If anything, the winged lancers could double as gryphon legion.
>>96716320I imagine the points have all changed but last year my locals did 500pts and i used>vampire lord>20 zombies>10 crypt ghouls>10 skeleton warriors>3 crypt horrors, i think one of the big ghoul unitsWasn't clever but was tough. Looking into a 500pt Dwarf force this time. Would never do a full army but thats a fun project to do while listening to Windrose albums and painting.
>>96716483 seeing all 3 MTG piggy posting, and then learning about it, has inspired me to read more threads on /tg/
>Anon so mad nobody pays attention to his spam he now tells randoms to go look at his "hillarious" bait posts for 40 minutesJust screenshot your own posts and post them on r/4chan
>frogposting redditorGET BACK ON YOUR FUCKING RECTANGLE>ZZZZZZZZAP
>(You)s are the only way he interacts with 4chan
>>96716320>Thane>14 dwarf warriors>9 thunderers>10 rangers>depending on current points Gyrocopter or 5 irondrakes
>>96716320Small Bret force for locals>Damsel lvl2 wizard on warhorse>25 men at arms with musician and standard bearer>14 peasants with skirmisher>8 knights of the realm with first knight, standard bearer and musician
>>96716654Gyrocopter in a 500 point game is bullshit. You do that I'm bringing a pegasus hero and pegging you nice and good
>>96716705Dwarves really suffer in 500pt games. Hence the larger amount of range than other lists, trouble is the gyro is also op so you can't really win either way.
>>96716320actual none shit Vampire Counts answer:>Necromancer Acolyte>Wright Lord>30 Zombies>10 Ghouls>11 Grave Guard>5 Dire Wolvesdo the monster mash kids.
>Clanrats restricted to 40 maxWtf is this retardedness???even stormvermin are 10+Also, a screaming bell has Stubborn, but you cant confer stubborn to a unit unless that unit also has stubborn, correct?So, the fact the screaming bell has stubborn is completely irrelevant, since the clanrats or stormvermin pulling itwon't have stubborn. So it only matters when the screaming bell is on its own??
>>96716771Rangers and Slayers would put in work at 500 points, no need to cheese
>>96716320Same as before>Aspiring Champion on Daemon Mount and Great Axe>4 Chaos Knights, Lances>8 Warriors>8 Marauders with flails>5 x 2 WarhoundsAll but the hounds have Mark of Khorne.
Quite a big fan of Square Based and their renegade pack, but this shit is retarded.
>>96717136nah square based represent the absolute worst of the tourney scene prolapsed AoS and 40gay tourists who jumped ship to Old World ostensibly to 'leave that list crunching behind them' only to flood the scene with tournaments, breakdowns, YT panhandling all the while strangling narrative play.
Are ToW Vampire Lords still stuck as only being good for magic weapon + that one shadow spell that deals auto-hits cheese? I wouldn't even mind them remaining a legacy army if not for the fact that vampire characters uniquely got screwed by the combo of >no armor on wizards>no level 4 spellcasting>almost every vampire power being nerfed/overcosted>meh leadership for some reason>Lower point games being the norm
>>96717136I kind of hate their daemons always get ward saves shit, invalidating AP benefits them too much. Otherwise it is great for several legacy armies to be functional.
>>96717369Magic shuts this off though right?
>>96717495Their version does not
>>96713943Demi Lancers Pavise Crowsbowmen/handgunners6ppm greatweapons
So what minis do folks use for Warped Gors?
>>96716096I like that one a lot but I also prefer the opening of the polar gates. You don’t get much body horror in Warhammer art.
>>96717778buy a couple chaos spawns, throw the bits in a box, cover a gor in glue then throw it into that box and shake vigorously
Tell me about your current projects lore, who are /yourdudes/?
>>96717817500 point army project for the new mode is a beastlord and bray shaman with some basic bitch gors, ungors, hounds and two minotaurs.In my head the two leaders are a twin brother and sister, born of a human noble couple on the edge of the empire, discarded in the woods and after they grew up their first foray into attacking the very town where they were born. Ending with the brother eating the father. When the sister's supernatural sight let them know who he was neither cared. Its a doggy dog world after all.
>>96716202I'm privileged to have her in metal.>inb4 round baseI painted her after they killed WFB, used her as IG sanctioned psyker.
>>96714809>I'll give you a hint: it wasn't through conversionMaybe you should read a history book because that's exactly how it happened. Retard.
>>96717817Guy wanted to take the vampire pill, went mad and drove whole house to become a scholomance. Died and ended up a brainless wight lord and his servants became a necromancer dynasty taking 'care' of the nobles and soldiers as skeletal soldiers and the townsfolk were promptly raised as zombies after being cut down. They occupy a small little fiefdom outside Sylvania and are on the decline, they don't survive to see the End Times.
>>96717817I am having trouble deciding which army I want to start. That's the whole issue.
>>96717817Oh damnit, I was going to do a write up last time someone asked. Might do that later today.
>>96717891try a 500pt list using a aos spearhead or something.
>>96717840I love the 6th edition damsels but I had to buy the 5th edition ones in metal as well because they are also great sculpts.
>>96717833Post dewds fellow beastchad
>>96716819Show me your 41+ painted clanrats
>>96718047I need to take some pictures actually, all i got now is the nigga i built yesterday. Had him in a clamshell for like 10 years after getting him dirt cheap from an ebay auction with a spelling mistake in the name. Always search for those kids.
>>96718083who makes this model?
>>96718092it's a 7th edition WHFB mini
>>96718092WHFB character. Crazy strong shaman with crow wings growing out his back. Really hated Brets. Isn't born at the time of ToW so hasn't come back.
>>96718301>>96718301>>96718301New
(Night) Goblin bigbosses or warbosses?Also should I have a goblin general or just use a black orc, or rather, will that make a difference if the whole army is goblins?Whole army will be gobbos.
>>96718083was this dude ever metal?
