>Previous thread:>>96676932 >What is /awg/?A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.>Examples of games that qualify.A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,Deadzone, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, Judge Dredd, HeroClix,Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,Oathmark, OnePageRules, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, Stargrave, Sludge, Urban War, Void, Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenotactics, Xenos Rampant......and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.Archon Studio, Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Mantic, North Star Military Figures,OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, Seb Games, Spellcrow, TTCombat, Victrix, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games......and many other publishers.>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edithttps://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AXhttps://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zg>Hobby Challenge theme for Octoberhttps://strawpoll.com/GPgVYBPYEna/results >thread question:What's the best way to convince people to give alternative wargames a try and potentially build a community at the FLGS?
>>96711289>TQMost FLGS will be places to play 40k so the best way to convince people is to first say that they can use their 40k minis in the game. This works wonders for miniature agnostic games.
>>96711289>What's the best way to convince people to give alternative wargames a try and potentially build a community at the FLGS?Have two nice armies/warbands/crews and nice terrain and offer to demo. Once you have someone to pay with just playing the game should be pretty good advertising. Talking to the FLGS staff helps too. There's likely to be someone who's heard about it or played and woods be willing to help promote.
Chinese vs French for my WW3 project. Its basically a fantasy future scenario, sot I think it fits under /awg/
Has anyone played steel rift? I'm looking into it. Models seem alright
>>96711289>tqBring a whole setup with two armies and trawl for people whose 40k opponent no showed.
>>96711533How autistic are the rules?
>>96711715No, but rules seem very cool. Honestly I like when mech games introduce combined arms.
>>96711933I'm setting up my resin printer so I think I'll pick up the starter set to try with a friend. The rules appeal to me more than battletech
>>96711974>>96711933Theres also this other game called Hardwar, it has some cool mechanics as well. It was recently on Kickstarter, it rased like 200k
>>96712073will check that out too. thanks anon
Really thinking about getting the k47 starter and doing it up. Any thoughts about the game itself?
>>96712175I'm still waiting for the rulebook to be scanned and uploaded.
My dudes, looking for Burrows & Badgers 2nd ed. Any pointers/troves?
>>96711905I'm using Asymmetric Warfare
>>96712504 Got a source on that tank, please? Lovely model and lovely choice of camouflage.Though the texture on the rubber parts of the tires has me most impressed. I can't put my finger on why.>ceramic tile paint paletteThat was one of the best investments I ever made in this hobby. Got so much mileage out of mine for so little.
>>96712532I have never received a compliment on 4chan , I can't tell if you're making fun of me or nothttps://www.empressminiatures.com/french-vbc1-2324-p.asp
>>96712592>I can't tell if you're making fun of me or notI'm sorry if I came across as insulting in any way anon. I was genuinely complimenting and then autistically musing about how I liked the tire textures the most. I can't figure out why.>https://www.empressminiatures.com/french-vbc1-2324-p.aspThank you so much!
>>96712598Thank you, I just base coated the whole thing and gave the tires a little dry brush. It's still kind of glossy cause the paint is wet and my black spray primer wasn't as matt as I would like. Tomorrow I'll give it a light wash to fill in the recesses and then I'll give it an ultra matt varnish to finish it. I was considering putting some mud on the tires but if you like how they look it's making me reconsider, I don't want to ruin them
tell me about the new Warzone Eternal, lads
>>96712740What specifics do you want to know? The rules and the cards for all models are up for free on the Res Nova and Trans-Atlantic Games websites. This edition is D20 based, like the original, and is focused on very small skirmishes. Standard game is 40 pts., with the average model being 4-6 pts., and you can spend 10% on upgrades. You also designate each force as the evil side or good side, which determines whether you can take allied Dark Legion or Brotherhood units. Scenarios are determine deployment, determine main objective, and each side chooses 2 side objectives.
>>96712914i take it is in a sort of a beta still then? i only see a handful of unitsthe rules do look crisp and fast tho
>>96713076That's just what's been released so far. We've seen previews of other stuff they are working on, but this is a small project. We've seen the art of the Immaculate Fury, and prototypes of Mashima Samurai. Wolfbane, and some more Legion stuff.
>>96712592What scale is this?
Warzone was too based to live.
>>96713497I mean look at this dude. He's too cool.
>>96712914>>96713143>>96713497Will there be warzone STLs?
I'm happy how this came out, but then again it's hardly the most demanding paint job.
Is BASIS compatible with K47?
>>96713529Functional
taken from us too soon
>>96711289what's that mini?
>>9671362499% sure it'll be Anvil Industries
>>96713624>>96713634They're the Martian Orbital Fusiliers Regiment from Anvil Industries. The Regiment is no longer available as one purchase, but can still be made from the follow Anvil parts:>Gothic Void Torsos>Gothic Void Helmet>Male Armoured Legs>Male Armoured Arms Mixed/Shooting [Pistol Grip]>Tesla Disintegrator [Pistol Grip]They also have heavy weapon, commander, and banner arms plus standing, kneeling, and bionic legs the same Male Armoured style
>>96713634>>96713674thanks>The Regiment is no longer available as one purchaseshame
>>96713677You can still order them through the Regiments Custom Squad Builder function on the website, you just gotta go through the scroll down menu there to find the bits, much easier with the names known at least.
>>96713722>Regiments Custom Squad Builderoh, that's a pretty feature cool. and there is a discount on regiments with that too
>>96713618Didn't it have the fundamental problem that humans were the only ones with any real detail? And unlike 40k human vs human battles didn't make much sense.
>>96713838You think Starship troopers wouldn't fight humans if the situation arose?
>>96713838>>96713846In the film they mention that colony established by "Mormon extremists" in the Arachnid Quarantine Zone that got slaughtered by Bugs.
>>96713246It's for true scale 28mm
>>96713846I doubt the mobile infantry would fight the mobile infantry.
What's the deal with The Damned?
>>96714181US backer have started to receive their stuff, UK/Euro backers will get their stuff after, then it'll go up on their webzone's for everyone else to purchase.
>>96714205I want it Esp that vehicleNot enough sci fi vehicles out there
>>96713547Yeah. Honestly the same for this.
Anyone got a scan of the Sons of Kronos expansion for Chronopia? Gib plz <3
What do our kings of war players think of the upcoming fourth edition? I've been very critical of mantic's miniatures in the past, but from what I've gathered their rules writing has always ranged from decent to good.
>>96713871Game is in part based on Roughnecks snd that had Skinnies
>>96713497Will always hail the Legion as the best evil faction ever, taking into the account that they didn't have to decide to be Evil Aliens, Demons, Evil Sorcerers, Evil Tech with Evil Nanotech, Undead, Extradimensional Evil Being.They were all of this AT ONCE and made it work.
>>96714944It looks very well made. I like the changes overall, especially with limiting the changes to one front so larger infantry blocks aren't fucked by so many things. Also the improved formatting is nice.The last CoK book wasn't exactly the height of the game. Only a few people liked the proprietary dice and the unbalanced command system. The new system looks much better. It helps that Alessio is probably better at this than the volunteers that had been working on the clash of kings books.I'm looking forward to seeing what the new army is tomorrow. I'm too cheap to ever buy new plastic models even if they were good, but I like the game's army variety so new stuff is good in my book.
>>96713518Probably not. The KS run was all Siocast resin before they signed up with Trenchworx.
>>96714944annoyance. KoW was a pretty good system at launch, and if they'd stuck with it they'd probably have a really tight well balanced system by now. instead it's another reset and another bag of unanticipated issues that are gonna need to be addressed.
>>96714944>4th edition Any game that goes to a 4th edition should never be considered or played.
>>96715546So KoW 1st edition is the best game yet for someone with no LFGS but a bunch of friends?
>>96716045The 3rd edition compendium book is currently available for free (plus postage) from mantic
>>96714096Just tell them the other team is rebelling bug-sympathizers.
>>96713618Nah. Not soon enough. Mobile Infantry without power armor belong in the trashcan.
>>96711289Hi,What's this mini? It looks awesome.
>>96716226See >>96713674
>>96713497Looks like it's designed for children
ignore miniature quality or style. toss loyalty to manufactureres aside, what is your favourite -ruleset- and why?
>>96716512LotR SBG maybe. Like not the current edition or The Hobbit, but when they compiled the game after the 3 LotR films and released the Mines of Moria box.
>>96714492Here but in Polish only.https://www.chronopiaworld.com/artikel.php?id=5
Anyone got the digital versions of both the Kings of War Armada game and the Sea of Dread expansion they'd be willing to toss me?
>>96716512>>96716702>LotR SBG maybe.Yeah it's good. I also love the old minis though, so I'm biased. With the Battle companies you get around building an entire army as well (of course that is like a drugdealer giving you free crack on GW's part, but so are all the specialist games I guess. They just want you to start a collection)Even though the rules are kind of terrible in terms of editorial I really liked the idea behind Rogue Stars. Great way to build little collections of neat minis and play with them. Doesn't matter if it's the ~5 odd dinosaurs with sci-fi guns, a crazy conversion or a couple of Star Wars bountyhunters. You can play with them and have thre rules reflect what they are supposed to be. And the artwork in the book is really cool as well. Stargrave felt pretty uninspired by comparison.
>>96716722>Literally the only scan of this fucking book on the whole of the internet is in fucking POLISH
>>96716512Pillage
>>96716763I'm with you on Rogue Stars. Andrea Sfigoli (?) also wrote Song of Blades and Heroes, and Four Against Darkness so I was kind of excited for it.The miniatures range suits the Stargrave one nicely too.
>>96711533Always nice to see others who get Empress stuff. A true autist's brand.
>>96716512Space and Sword Weirdos for skirmish games. Easy to learn, quick to play, neat dice mechanics and both have a flexible warband builder. The system is pretty robust so you can add your own weapons, skills, maneuvers, etc. easily and flawlessly.
>>96716759>Kings of War ArmadaIs this game not like, dead as fuuuuuuuck?
>>96716898Indeed, it's my favorite company
>>96717025is it? that was a real fast death if so. armada had a fair number of tables at gencon and that's only a couple months ago.
>>96717555No new releases in ages + re-releasing existing models as STL 3D printslop= all the signs of a dying/dead game
>>96717581Fleets like the undead and abyssals are all new. I don't think that it's more dead than your average /awg/.
>>96717601>Fleets like the undead and abyssalsMore SlopTL shite without rules published in any official form outside of a webstie no one uses. Not a great argument.
>>96716220Are there any minis of that suit?
>>96717794Anon, can you show us on the doll where the 3D printer touched you?
>>967165125Core, most scale flexibility and time periods focusing on movement and choice rather than list building. Easy to teach. Wide variety of optional rules and campaign builds. Works for varieties of scifi, modern and historical, skimrish, company or batalliion scale. En Garde! is pretty great but I am forced to chose my first love, scifi.
>>96717842To the best of my knowledge there's no miniatures of Mobile Infantry power armour, but there are model kits you can buy that are pretty good.https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/284436716704
Ugh I have like 50 of these to paint
>>96717983Fuck that
>>96717842nta but you can buy the old mongoose publishing suits here https://www.rebelminis.com/eafowiclba.htmlThey bought some other moulds from the game too inc the other suit variant and some bugsIve never bought anything from rebel minis fyi
>>96717794That's probably a good thing for the long term health of the game. guarantees indefinite availability. it's not like there's much of a future in exclusively serving the dwindling population of grogs too old to figure out printing.
>>96718310it's not like everybody has a printer either.
>>96716763>rogue stars is better than stargraveStargrave offers s lot more detail. I love asobh games but rogue stars was a disappointmènt, nowhere near the amount of tables and so on as stargrave.
>>96718389Didn't say one was better than the other. Just said Stargrave didn't really inspire me.
Just found some of the expansion packs cheap for Endure the Stars and bought about 50 more miniaturesI hate myself
>>96718702They are cool though and they were very cheap at £7
>>96718389I absolutely love me some tables, the more the better. That being said, I really hate the star/Frostgrave combat mechanics, some of my least favorite on the entire world
>>96711289>anvilindustry threadHas anybody bought 3D prints from them? How are they quality wise? I don't have a place for a 3D printer and wash/curing station, and Etsy services are pretty expensive.
Finished my WW3 French VCBI.
>>96717842Oddly, loads in 15mm. Ground zero games and Khurasan both do plenty of very similar designed armors and there's a full MaK game in 15mm. Otherwise look into nyx power armor, there's a lot of parts and you can easily get a similar setup going.
>>96719771It honestly looks amazing. I wish more people attempted camo. There is no reason sci-fi ground vehicles shouldn't be camo.
>>96719804Except that every new planet is a new environment.
>>96719895Most modern camos are very effective in a multitude of environments. Regardless, the point of camo is to break up your silhouette, and thus is doesn't have to be an exact color match for the background. A generalized neutral tone camo would work on 90% percent of planets.
Played a quick skirmish of Konflikt 47 tonight, British vs French (USA rules)The British Guardian charged and wiped out one unit of Fireflies, but the second jumped behind it and torched his engine with a flamethrower. Then their jump packs sputtered and they were caught out of position and wiped by the Galahads and Grenadiers. Fun game though.
>>96719941This shit is almost 40k tier >shitty looking terrain>unpainted models>blobs of troops being pushed across the board >pajeets in power armor(lmao?)
>>96713674Great paint job. Reminds me of these from a while ago
>>96719941SAAR... WE HAVE CAPTURED THE OBJECTIVE SAAR WE HAVE KILLED THOSE BLOODY BASDARDS SAAR
>>96719963Hi Jonah
>>96719997You really need to stop watching whatever TV show this is a reference to.
>>96719974Here's the paint tutorial if you're interestedhttps://miniaturesofthenorth.blogspot.com/2016/08/speed-paint-tutorial-martian-orbital.html
>>96719924Not if you were traversing a forest of sentient dicks
>>96720140Think about dicks a lot eh? >2pnvFine captcha I get it, we all think about dickstuff.
>>96720140>a forest of sentient dicksomw
>>96720074thanks for sharing
>>96720140You can't take the tank on shore leave.
>>96721133>hi tanks don't get a summer vacation/beach episode
>>96719804There is. Camo is made to hide stuff and is especially effective from a distance and aerial view, so, wargaming conditions. I'm old enough that I want the minis to shine and pop a bit.Plus in a sci-fi setting you wouldn't want to hide your assets from human eyes, you would want to paint some weird patterns or illusions to fuck up with AI. The next tank I see better have its roof painted so a top-down view would show a forest ground with a rabbit on top so the enemy AI thinks it's just a rabbit casually hooping at 80km/hr.
>>96721471This is double justification to use fantasy camo and dazzle camo.
>the Damned release, whatever happened there>>96720172>>96720206Cockforest camo is necessaryDon't want alien megaflora drowning you in spermatazoa
>>96716512OPR. It's so easy to do whatever I want with those rules I never find myself bored with it.
>>96719963>awg played with non-GW minis and non-GW scenery>"OMG! Just like Warhammer!"Nice attempt of gaslighting James, but no one is taking the bait.
>>96721625NTAYRT but he's right./awg/ players should hold themselves to higher standards than GW sloppa consoomers with their L-shaped terrain and frisbee discs.I understand wanting to try to play a new game quick, but that particular setup >>96719941 is very sad looking.What's "James Workshop" about that?
>>96721881I was working with what I had in terms of shop terrain. This board I played on the other day was done with my own scenery and was a bit higher effort That said, "clumps of models being pushed around" is clearly a bad faith complaint by the other guy, since pushing toy soldiers around is fundamentally what we're here to do.
>>96721919Much nicer lad
>>96721881>noooo, you MUST build your terrain from garbage, cast your models from tireweights and only play rulesets written in pre-collapse Soviet Union and faxed to you by the writer himself!!!What is this reverse-elitist bullshit lol
>>96721974I'm sorry that this is what you are getting out of life. Go paint some stuff mate.
>>96721974>reverse-elitistMy brother in Christ that is called a normal common man.
It's the Other Partizan tomorrow, not sure whether to go or not. Partizan is meant to be a brilliant show but>more /hwg/ leaning than most wargaming shows these days>it's a 90 minute drive>I was in the same building for Hammerhead Wargaming Show only a few months ago>there is a Bring and Buy, my crack cocaine, but in some ways I just don't need anything more>not really bothered about looking through the same stands which are at 90% of the other shows like Foundry Miniatures et alhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o8jNJ0fqDYo
>>96722040Before my time but Partizan used to be in Kelham Hall which looked amazing
>>96721988No, that's called a fucking clown, "man"
>>96721986You'veposted this picture like a hundred times already, you faux-grog. You paint something.
>>96721919I have been thinking about why your terrain looks like shit even though the individual components look good enough, and I think the problem is the lack of foliage, it needs trees, bushes, hedges, shrubbery, etc. the problem with those shitty neoprene game mats is the make everything look like a flat boring plane and need lots of scatter to break it up. Your table has zero scatter terrain
>>96721530It is. WW1 era camo for sci-fi is a bad joke.
>>96722074Just what's on my work PC ladI am painting robots at home atm
>>96722085There's a bunch of czech hedgehogs and dragon's teeth along with barbed wire segments in my every game carry box, i should use them more along with making myself some bushes and such.
>>96722085Yeah I'm not against mats but you've got to decorate them
>>96722046Who makes this goblin on the left? WGA?
>>96722095Then paint them instead getting all hoity-toity over someone whose minis happen to have a label on them. For someone assuming moral highground you're acting awfully petty.
>>96722144Bit unnecessary mate really
>>96722146>happen to have a label on themWhat in the ESL does this mean.I'm not seeing any labels on >>96719941
>>96722162>faux-grox doesn't even know unassembled minis typically have labels on their standsSo you're never even assmebled minis. Figured you were just a nasty troll. Begone.
>>96722191Please post what you mean by "labels"Warlord minis don't have any, generally
>>96722191Have you checked the battery in your carbon monoxide detector recently?Unassembled miniatures with "stands"? do you mean tabs? sprues?Jesus anon I hope your carers aren't out of the room much longer.
>>96722148Well maybe you don't play goblins but I do. I wanna know. Fuck off if you're not gonna help.
>>96722208Not going to spoomfeed you, troll. Do your own research. And find new fake pics to post as you own next time. Your act is getting old.
>>96722217>ad hominemsAnd the mask goes off. If this place had moderation, we'd get rid of you, but alas.
>>96722227Redditor tourist spotted. Perhaps you should just go back?
>>96722239Yes yes. Keep them insults coming. Better everyone see what you really are. A bully.
>>96722221>spoom
>>96721988Naw, that's just a hipster retard. Sorry no one told you.
>>96722267>spoomatazoaI mean really. Mark the timezone people, it's always the same aggro posts at the same time innitAnyway, I need this in my life.
>>96722412Damn, my camo looks better than WGA >>96719771
>>96722391>Scratchbuilding things is "hipster"You need to channel this deranged new faggotry into some substantial posts instead of trying to make the board unusable because of some perceived slight. I would suggest painting some minis and playing a game and showing us how it went, for example.The rest is just you hitting the dopamine button at the same time every day. If you were de anonymised, we would belaughing at the deeply sad retard that goes onto /hwg/ and /awg/ every day to stir up shit while his life ebbs away.
>>96722433It's nice work to be sure but it looks about the same to me.
>>96722433It does not.
>>96722412Those trucks are nice. We need more rugged sci-fi miniatures
>>96722412>>96722484We need more wheeled/tracked hard plastic vehicle kits. Tired of resin and GW slop, and working with scale model kits is always really hit-or-miss with their detail and design choices.
>>96722484I keep meaning to buy some toys of this nature but prices for some things are getting surprisingly high and I'm a bit dubious about spraypriming certain plastics. Thinking of adapting some Tamiya kits tho. They might be a big homespun when I'm done lol
>>96722519Well I'm not the best modeller, got the Archon Wolverine this week snd it's nice (and cheap).
Brigade Models has a new 28mm range in resin and it's a bit expensive but I like the look>>96722521Where in the world are you lad? Sometimes it's a case of going to flea markets, charity shops and car boot sales too
>>96722519>>96722484Unironically just use 1/48 model kits. Real vehicles look much cooler than these cartoon shite and are cheaper too. The amount of conversion needed to make it sci-fi is very minimal
>>96722559I'm an Ozfag
>>96722568The big problem I have with model kits is their propensity to model certain details directly on the hull, like tow cables or tools and other stowage, doors/hatchets, etc. It's annoying to scrape them off if you want to convert it (and since they're usually historical kits, you're probably going to want to). Even if they are off, they often have holes in the hull designed to receive pegs of that stuff, and it's also annoying to have to fill them up.
>>96722591Do they not use tow cables and tools in the future?
>>96722591Yeah covering that stuff is not a problem, some parts being super delicate feels more of an issue
>>96722629I'd rather have the option to have them off, and for the record, no, my sci-fi tanks don't use WW2-era tools and jerrycans.>>96722653Antennas in historical kits are so flimsy, and the barrels look real wimpy a lot of the time.
>>96722749I was thinking more modern vehicles instead of WW2, but regardless, hand tools and jerrycans have changed zero percent since WW2 and modern militaries are still using the exact same tools and cans, except now they are plastic. Why would they look any different in the future?
>>96722749Antennas should always be replaced with broom bristles, and barrels are one of the easy conversions I was talking about to make it sci-fi, replace the thin realistic barrel with a big fat exaggerated sci-fi one, which is very easy to accomplish
>>96722838If you're going to make stuff exactly the same as the modern day, why bother doing sci fi at all?
>>96722854"15-minutes into the future" is a brand of scifi.
>>96722854Presumably some of these designs and requirements are going to last. There is a good case to be made for really trying to come up we ith something alien and futuristic, but people are currently fighting each other with rifles from 1905 so...
>>96722854Because these >>96722412>>96722519 Are already basically modern vehicles but shittier, particularly the WGA where it's just a bland generic 6 wheeled truck. With minor adjustments and a proper sci-fi paint job, pic related for example would make a kickass sci-fi vehicle compared to retarded children's toys and generic overpriced shit
Kings of War doing "Gnoll Cathay"This is so odd, not great or terriblehttps://youtu.be/7pECF6aAfbI?si=CbE-b7jtlnAmpiQvI heard they will do Varangur but who knows
>>96722941unironically true, the only thing separating that from a true "sci-fi" vehicle is the paint scheme.
>>96722941>Are already basically modern vehicles but shittierThe second one is made from mostly WW2 kits.
>>96722941>With minor adjustments and a proper sci-fi paint job, pic related for example would make a kickass sci-fi vehicle compared to retarded children's toys and generic overpriced shitNTAYRT but nah.It's different strokes for different folks.Sci-fi stuff generally tends to have oversized weapons, rivets, funky wheel hubs and treads and such. Much like the regular miniatures. Hence why toys generally can suit.I do appreciate people using modern model kits for near-future stuff, but for most sci-fi I see played on tables, the design language of both these real-world designs and the resulting model kits us just a little too subtle.
>>96723083>Sci-fi stuff generally tends to have oversized weaponsI mean that's traditionally true of all miniatures unless they're truescale.
>>96723083You guys are needlessly overthinking it.If you can bend it to fit your game, and it looks good, it is good. Talking about acceptable design language in a creative sphere is a great way to freeze it.
>>96723083This looks retarded like something from Wreck It Ralph. I think too many of you have been too influenced by Warhammer 40k and it's "Heroic(cartoonish)" aesthetic
The Kings of War dog people look neat. I love the dog dude with a pair of foo dogs on a leash.
>>96723256They look better herePlease ffs refresh elves and dwarves and win the day tho
>>96722085>foliage This is 100% it
>>96722114>>96722085>criticises someone's work while posting someone else's Up there with arguing about tasteGive it a rest
I will use Paw Patrol vehicles
>>96722999They are more like the Yuan dynasty given that they conquered the humanoid chinamen. Their emperor is even named Temulun as opposed to Temujin. I like the nods to ophidia with the dead snake dude in this pic.
>>96723328Damn, that's quiet a glow-up. Just goes to show what a few extra bits and a good paint job can do.
>>96722484>>96723367>grown men are visually attracted to stuff designed for literal children I think there is a word for this
>>96723520Big machines are cool. Stuff it, nerd.
>>96723520Noo, you can't enjoy simple things in life
>>96723520There's a single word for "Where do you think you are"?
Reading and hearing about the stiff chain of command that the russian forces had in the early stages of the 2022 invasion made me think of how to represent forces that have little initiative in miniature wargaming. Is 28mm too large scale represent inflexible command structures? What are your favourite command and control mechanics in wargames? One rule that I've quite liked is the mechanoid rule in Xenos rampant, where a unit with that rule gets one extra free action, but has a harder time performing other actions.
>>96723520Wargames are literally just adults playing with toys. It’s only more structured and sometimes more detailed. It’s fine if you don’t appreciate someone converting toys to models but don’t pretend you are superior.
>>96723785Sprechen Sie Deutsch?
>>96723892Never played it, but I've always found the stiff chain of command rules from Fantasy Warriors inspiring.
>>96723256What is this? A new faction?
>>96723892Does Xenos Rampant have the dogshite activation system from Lion Rampant or does it have the updated optional activation system from Lion Rampant 2?
>>96723520Ahaha pseud wanker
>>96722433If you really think this, you are blind.
>>96722568>Unironically just use 1/48 model kits. Real vehicles look much cooler than these cartoon shite and are cheaper too. The amount of conversion needed to make it sci-fi is very minimalShow yours? In my experience its extremely difficult to make any realistic scale model look "sci-fi" and not to suck. Why do you think those toddler toy trucks are so popular to convert into wargaming models. Exactly because its easier to get good results by using those, and not a Tamiya or Meng tank.
Is there potential for this as a sci-fi building terrain piece?
>>96724430Forgot pic
>>96724440Sure, its a watchtower. Get some pipes and greebles and sandbacks.
>>96724306Most units have one action they can perform without rolling, elite infantry have two. I've played the game with the lion rampant 2nd edition optional activation rule. I've also heard of players using chit activation, which sounds like it could work well for the game. Need to try it myself as well.
>>96723359Okay the art hit hard. Bunch of jurchen killing some muslims.
>>96723892>Is 28mm too large scale represent inflexible command structures?More about how big your table is and how much patience you have for doing larger scale operations with larger miniatures. Weird chain of command decisions (or lack there of) can be decently represented in games with off-board assets like artillery, reinforcements, reserve forces, etc. and how easily or unpredictable they are. Some games do random force allocation tables as well. 5core campaign games or battletech come to mind but there's likely more. Even drawing random mission cards or minor objectives like in 2nd ed 40k can have similar impact. >drawing a mission objective to get into the opponent's deployment zone when your force is all foot sloggers as how out of touch higher ups are with boots on the ground.
Early work on Turnip28 commander. Going to let everything dry and start actually sculpting soon
>>96724873I really love chit activation
>>96723190Everything you think as a sensible design choice is currently being blown up in Ukraine. Just a different application of doctrine/existing tech can massively shift what if even needed and what is practical or not. Listen if you want sci-fi to endlessly regurgitate cold war era tech then you might be better off with team yankee. As for me, a decade ago people like you were telling me that drones(quadcopters not the Reaper thing) would never ever ever eveeeeeer be useful in a modern battlefield because "muh jamming, muh counter artillery, muh jdams". And look at the modern day, drones on ropes and IFV's being preferred to tanks in the first truly modern robot spam war. The current reality is fairly different from realism fags predictions from the early two thousands. So the whole teenage logic of "i am the realest adult in the the room while all of YOU are playing with toys. TOYS! I am so above that, look at my maturity levels and despair" does not go as far as you think on a tabletop gaming subsection of a taiwanese basket weaving forum when your ability to predict the future is no greater than a round of scrabble. You can share what you like and that's fine but you do not need to escalate into being a fag about it.
>>96726225>cope
>>96726225Well said ladThough I do have this T-14 I'm basically just going to put a more sci-fi weapon on
>>96726225Very true. Now I'm wondering what a drone spam wargame would play like or if someone has already cooked one up.
>>96726392Man, Armata is such a fuck up. It's also built on the "evolution" of T-74 chassis that was supposed to have way smaller unmanned turret.
>>96726225The next big counter-tech for Drones is supposed to be lasers isn't it? Britain and the US are already putting first generation anti-drone/missile stuff on their naval vessels at this point right? Supposedly it's where the US shifted all the Railgun development money after they decided it was a boondoggle with nothing to show for it.
>but how can I make this about Ukraine?
>>96726614Retard
You wouldn't get this impression from watching hundreds of drone killing videos, but MOST drones attacking infantry are shot down, like 9 out of 10, and both sides attest to this. Drones are a very low percentage weapon but you get tons of videos regardless due to sheer volume. MOST drones that explode, direct hit, against tank do absolutely nothing, which is why the goal is to disable enemy tanks. The solution to drones for vehicles is very simple, make an automated system on the vehicle that shoots down the slow moving drone as it comes in for the kill. ALL modern IFV and tanks have automated systems that detect incoming javelins and TOW and stuff and send out a reactive explosion which causes the missile to explode before impacting the vehicle. This is extremely advanced, and if modern vehicles have that ability, making a system that blasts a slow moving drone should be fairly easy, and in fact modern NATO countries are working on developing this. The PROBLEM in Ukraine is that it is too low IQ Slavic nations using cold War Soviet vehicles or stripped down NATO donations with zero systems, so their vehicles cannot stop drones.
>>96726644>too low IQYour house is too glass-heavy for you to be throwing stones my friend
>>96723892Force on Force and Tomorrow's War have rules for professional soldiers with poor initiative / inflexible chains of command. Be aware it is a points-less, scenario driven game though.
>>96725911It always felt chitty to me. >>96726225Here here. Just play what looks cool. Time for Ogres vs GEV.
>>96726541I doubt lasers are the silver bullet to drones, but they might be one piece in the puzzle. Anti-air guns designed to shoot up drones might be another. And then anti-drone-drones to counter the stuff that gest past the previous layers and that you absolutely need to stop.In gameplay terms all this is ofc too fiddly to simulate accurately on the tabletop, so maybe each side gets an abstract drone and anti-drone scores that depicts their drone- and satellite coverage and countermeasures.
How much of your hobby time should be spent on terrain compared to miniatures?
>>96726987However much you want to. Hobbies exist to bring you joy and be relaxing. If you like making scenery make as much as you want.If it's your least favorite part of the hobby there are many goodlooking products on the market these days thanks to mdf kits and 3d printing that let you circumvent it altogether.
>sci-fi>archeryRuins the fucking mood
>>96727119Wow, those minis are TERRIBLE
>>96727119What the FUCK are those
>>96727150Something called Deadzone. They're Asterian Kalyshi. Really killed my browsing vibe
>>96727119I think archery can be done, but when combined with basic human with minimal changes to the to the bodyplan and even head it comes off pretty lazy. Think if the bow was wielded by a giant sentient horse-spider alien and it were asymmetric to fit its physiology.
>>96723256>bootleg Cathay with furries instead of dragon waifusIt's shit.
>>96727288Cool it with the freak shit
>>96725258I guess this is also the first look at Ophidian men.
>>96726424Beyond the Gates of Antares had (has? is it still a thing?) a lot of drones as part of every faction.
>>96727726Nah, we need more freak shit.
Been messing around using AI to create backdrops for my figures. Works pretty good. If you were doing narrative battle reports using it for pics like this and then there are video Gen AIs specifically made for miniatures. You could probably make a pretty cool series that way. Creating clips of the actual outcome of key parts of the battle etc.
>>96727850Kill yourself
>>96726921Off board or adjacent to controller unit assets that are more or less tokens representing various single shot guided munitions. Some of these are antidrone rolls. Your Ewar and intel ratings effect how much you can tell about your opponent's drone resources.>noneOpfor keeps counters hidden entirely >lowOpfor has blip or signal tokens you can count at least >medium Opfor has blips and signals on board adjacent to controller units. >highOpfor has to place miniatures or face up tokens that reveal type of drone
>>96727871My take would be to just run drones as a kind of off-board strike that's vulnerable to point defense and jamming.
>>96727850That is pretty nice, do you have the original picture to compare?
>>96727893It depends what kind of drones you're running. For example, your ewar score might give you bonuses to off-board artillery strikes, assuming the drones in the game are mainly used for fire control.
>>96727893That's more or less what I was going for there. Some drones would be off board assets, some would be on board but obscured in ways. There would be some benefits of local controllers in terms of targeting but disadvantages in terms of the controller getting killed. The attack/to-hit-roll or whatever your system is using could include modifiers for various countermeasures, some better against different types than others. Its an excuse for a double blind part of the game that I think fits nicely with the ewar and remote control side of drones.
>>96727850Disgusting.
>>96727868>>96728218It's hilarious how Gen X losers have such a meltdown when they encounter AI. Literally every time LMAO
>farming for (You)s nowSad.
>>96727850I'd rather see some guys home made terrain then some Indians A.I. spam.
>>96728399>Being arbitrarily mean to our guest when he does the job locals won't: painting and playingIn other news, I think this is ridiculous but I kind of love it. Chinese Dogmen versus Sea Lizardmen. I think it will grow on people and I commend them from getting outside the box on just cloning the classic lotr/oldhammer armies.That being said, I keep saying - if they refresh their traditional factions like elves and dwarves they are going to go gangbusters. This kind of starter is too weird for oldheads surely
>>96728827This is awful.
>>96728827There being hard plastic placoderms and depth horrors finally is nice. I wish they had banners/musicians on their newer kits though. Wonder if those will be STLs like some of the other unit upgrades.
>>96728883Quite possibly but soft admission: I have only ever used KOW stuff in games of Dragon Rampant and ASOBH lol. There appears to be a placoderm blowing a conch and a newt type dude waving a flag if you look close.>>96728858My gf thinks they look too "furry" but I like gnolls and I like Chinese history and I had heaps of 15mm Alternative Armies dogmen, I can make it work.
>>96728255I generally don't care for a lot of thr garbage I have seen made with AI, but honestly I take photos of my painted minis and terrain and play with the photos more than I play games. I have no problem using all kinds of crazy filters so by rights I should have none with people using it in their hobby.
>>96728827>job locals won'tSpeak for yourself homo. I play, paint and build.
>>96728959We've seen it all before. I made an excellent quip about fingering goths and one of you had a cry
>>96728827>our guest>our I didn't invite him, and I don't want him.
>>96728982I didn't invite you and I don't want you. You aren't adding anything
>>96729016I'm adding my dick into your mom's mouth lmao.
>>96728959When are you getting a 28mm model of a chubby goth girl being fingered to add to the side of the tomb?
>>96729096There's a gap in her teeth about your size.
>>96729105I've actually been looking for one, haven't found a chubby goth girl i liked yet.
Wanting to try out Cyberpunk Red Combat Zone, does anyone have a dumo of the character and/or loot cards? Don't want to drop +100€ just to try the thing, but it looks cool and easy to pickup
Fuck that shit. It's got people talking to chatbots like they're married.
>>96725911Blind activation is King for solo play but for two players games a bluffing mechanism like in Kensei or Star Wars Legion is even better.
>>96726644Soviet equipment being blown up in Golan>I-it was operated by low IQ Arabs.French equipment being blown up in India>I-it was operated by low IQ Jeet.US and UK equipment being blown up in Ukraine>I-it was operated by low IQ Slavs.Or maybe, just maybe, there's no wunderwaffen?
>>96726921>Abstracting dronesYou could go the Seven Days To The River Rhine and make it a playing card asset that describe what's happening, when you can play it and what's to be rolled for effect. How much of these assets you want to buy pregame is your problem. You could even customize any army with an official doctrine to radically change this gameplay.Like, let's say you as a Ukky player and you buy three Drone Strick cards with "can be played against an armored vehicle on a road even if you don't have line of sight" but you bought also bought the Drone Ambush doctrine that allow you to play this card on infantry and weat fields too.
>>96728827>clutching the tailcoats of Cathay nowCan mantic ever just make good, original looking sculpts? The Armada stuff is actually fun
>>96728827>actually asian cynocephaliJust like my medieval legends! (though ancient greeks located them in India)
>>96726921>In gameplay terms>unit ends turn outside of cover>roll to see if a drone spots it>roll to see if getting hitSimple and easy to use.
>>96727850Looks great. What tool did you use?
>>96730222I think Conquest already has an Indian Wizard faction. I am pro Chinese Dogman/Gnoll. I never like how Mantic paints their stuff even if it's above what I can do. It's a bit silly but I like it. I prefer the Lizardfolk generally tho It could be seen as a misstep but I am pretty sure they have mentioned range refreshes for this edition. >>96730195Funnily enough Armada is Warlord's Black Seas with fantasy bits thrown in.
>>96728827idk.. some of the minis are great, but then there is troops like pic related.
>>96730260>mom said it's my turn to play xbox
>>96730260>prime pink>zenithal bone>light drybrush pale sand>paint skin with purple or blue speed paint>paint weapon with tainted gold>light tone dip, flock, tidy, dullcote, doneI use these guys as "sea elves" in Oathmark sometimes. I am less with he diorama bases and more with the unit fillers.
https://youtu.be/LiHaW02u3L8?si=Hd5MHrOlSGmK755DNew Carnevale starter, this time featuring Doctors and Patricians instead of the usual Rashaar and The Guild.
>>96728827I just wish mantic could stop shooting themselves in the foot at every turn when it comes to customer services>their new website lists items as out of stock that actually aren’t when people contact customer services>Listing stuff on the site that they don’t ever restock>oh we sell this entire armada fleet in the vault, here’s a link to it in the store listing>The link takes you to a page with only half that fleet>not to mention you can’t buy individual miniatures in the vault>very little indication of where you can get rules for new factions. Are all of the current fleets available in the armada rulebook? Who knows! Their stock listing won’t tell you Not to mention the constant shipping and miscasts
>>96730306>selling two packs (minus one mini) or boring humans instead of making a cool monster half Why
>>96730323Some "people" prefer humans. I know. Revolting.
>>96730313My biggest gripe with them is them still not showing the plastic sprues for their new stuff.
https://www.rbjgc.com/Cool little company for the Americans on here
>>96730002Not that anon, but do you realize that export equipment is completely stripped down of all sensors, systems, etc. when the US or France or whoever sends it to another nation? A Leclerc being used by India or a Bradley used by Ukraine for example are basically a bare hull and weapon, and it's up to the third worlders to add their own defense systems and electronics.
>>96722999What the fuckI guess these are nice sculpts (for mantic) (if you are a furfag) but its not something I would have ever expected.
I'm in need of The Silver Bayonet rulebook and the Canada expansion. Anybody able to help?
Are these guys good?They are pretty okay would maybe get some at a discount.
>>96731154*New instead of good.Weird typo.>>96730589Ah yes next gen optics etc. will surely protect them against drones, 155mm artillery shells guided in real time by drones and gps guided glide bombs fired from 500 kms away.
>>96728959Nice. Where is your series of narrative batreps?
>>96730580Neat. I do like some pig orcs.
>>96730580Neat! I always like new sites to check out
>>96731462Or porcs, as I call them.
>>96731273Brother they have an automated explosive that detonated outwards at approaching rockets and detonated them just before they can penetrate the tank. It's not about "optics," it's as simple as making an automated big shotgun essentially that shoots out a load of big birdshot when it detects a drone flying towards it, so that the drone is disabled or detonated before it strikes the vehicle. NATO counties have the funds to adopt new equipment fairly quickly. When IEDs became a problem and where killing tons of vehicles, they created the CREWS system to stop them from detonating. When the Taliban started using pressure plates to get around this, the US adopted V hulls to counter this. They even took all their flat bottomed IFV and replaced the bottoms with V hulls. Neither Russia or Ukraine has the ability or funds to make rapid adaptations to their equipment, which is why they have to cope with welding on a hundred layers of chain link fencing and wires
>>96731958Please stop consuming blatant propaganda and start using your critical thinking skills.
>>96732005>no counterargument disproving my claim >just straight to ad hominem I accept your concession
I feel like the Warhost Elves are so well done compared to the boring ass Oathmark elves
>>96732088Oh definitely, oathmark models are almost universally terrible. Their one positive is being generic
>>96731154>>96731273They are new plastics. Mantic has been yelled at to make models of them forever. They only made one placoderm hero up until now.
>>96731958So, this big shotgun of yours, it will be mounted frontside? Well the drone operator just have to manoeuver and come fom the side or rear. Ah, you'll put one on every side? Well, just a matter of landing from the top. What about all these extra ammo supply you know have to carry and sooner or later resupply?I'm not saying it's impossible to do, I'm saying the cope cagey is the most cost efficient answer so far.
>>96732786>cost efficient Not a western concern, especially not US.
More Turnip28 WIP. Not my greatest minis but it's nice to just do something low stakes and intentionally a little sloppy
>>96733659I like the cannon
>>96733659I dig it
>>96731154Yeah I like them
>>96728959I actually thought of you when I came across this WMH mini the other day but I forgot you needed a fatty. There's always greenstuff I suppose.
>>96729122>>96735543Manufaktura has their Sub series of minis. They have chubby chicks, although many of them have some kind of shackle on them. Still, might be an opportunity.
Here's my spooky WIP. This necromancer wants to loot the fruitful battlefields of WWII Europe of the best corpses, and she has hired some AWOL ne'er do wells to escort her. I need to make a few recently dead bolt action guys to fill out the warband.
