Knight of the Realm Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>96704363>TQ:Which army are you considering for your next project and why?
>TQ: i'm working on a 500 point Beastmen army for the new journals alt game mode. To test if i like painting beastmen and because i bought the 6th edition army book as a kid but couldnt afford a second army after tomb kings as a kid but i love their aesthetic. For some reason they make me think of autumn.
>>96718316Autumn is the most kino season
>TQ500 points Vampire Counts for Halloween narrative event. Makes me miss the old zombies but at least these fit as a group better. One issue with the old ones was uniform posture. I want the shambler aesthetic.
>>96718301>TQI'm waiting for Kislev, because I really like the lore and I've wanted a full army of them ever since I read the 6th ed mini-army book they got.They'll be revealed any day now. Any day...
>>967183552nd edition along with vampires and ogres brother.
I thought it was odd GW replaced the AoS skeletons so fast but i had a kit from when Soulblight first came out and jesus the legs on these are skinnier and more fragile than malifaux minis..
>>96718301>TQI'm deep in the middle of an orc force right now, but I'm thinking of adding some Ogre Mercs to then expand into a full Ogre force at some point down the line. I just have a lot of time for the big bastards, and it'll be nice to paint a few elite models after churning through big blocks of infantry for a while.
>>96718367When VC return they better come back with the perfect 7th(?) edition skeletons.
Prevention post:it's not "ToW" - it's TOW, retards!
>>96718335Are those Deadwalker Zombies on 25x25mm? Looking good! I thought they'd fit worse.
>>96718408About half with the things on their back don't have a flat back so you can build them without it. It gives a lot more space to line them up.
>>96718408those zombies are smaller than the old ones
>>96718390It's ToW because seeing faggots like you sperg out over it is amusing
My buddy and I are looking at branching over from 40k to warhammer fantasy. It will only be us playing, no local group or anything. Should we stick with ToW or go with one of the older editions like 6th? Thanks
>>96718513Personally I think TOW is the most balanced/enjoyable core game from any edition I have played (6th-8th). The only noticeable step backwards in TOW is the magic phase, which has been massively simplified over older editions. But for someone who never played the older editions, that's probably better for you because it's much easier to learn how it works now vs the older system of resource management.
Ind when?
>>96718301Kislev. Haven't bought a new army for TOW (already had five armies from 6th-8th) and love the faction from movies like With Fire and Sword.
>>96718658With Fire and Sword Kislev would be too kino for modern GW.
I should accept that I am a lazy painter and just start Tomb Kings because I know I can bang out the skeleton horde. I can't do another trim heavy army after painting Death Guard.
>>96718323Weird way to spell Winter, anon. >>96718316Beastmen are badass, have fun.
>>96718698I also recommend night goblins.It's literally 1 layer of contrast type paints for the bast majority of things and they still look great
>>96718698>40kuck Stay in your late you ass eating faggot
>>96718387https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLrDgjLGNHE
What army has the best sexy/coombait figures available from alternative manufacturers in your opinion?Orcs and goblins have a ton but only from stls sadly, they're too big and expensive from physical products.
>>96718985Demons. Then Beastmen in my opinion. But demons are simply the easiest to make coombait for
>>96718985Idk I don't use need coombait models, I only jackoff using my wifes vagina wrapped around my cock if you know what I mean
>>96718390Well really it's tOW
>>96718513Depends what you guys want really, every edition have their advantagaes and disadvantages. tOW has probably got the most stuff, even considering the legacy factions, and is being actively supported, to boot it's a pretty ok balanced game these days, or at least as well balanced as GW products get. Games of 8th edition are a real spectacle with huge units, monsters and really game breaking spells. Conversley 6th edition is much more down to earth, arguably it's a bit hum drum in compariso, however it probably is the best balance of any edition and it's got an absolute trove of stuff to really get the nostalgia going if you look back at old books/WDs.
Just picked this up. What am I in for?
>>96719105>actively supportedWhen GW is involved, this is actually a huge negative.
>>96719127Big Womans back.
Welp thats most of my 500pts Vampire Counts built. Just waiting on a Wight in the mail. Seems like a basic but serviceable list for an opening of a seasonal escalation league with friends. When we get to 750 though i want to add some ghosts. Luckily we are going for narrative rule of cool and not waacshit so i dont need to buy expensive blood knights when i can use some silly ghoulie bullshit.In total looks like the whole roster is going to be Vampire Counts, Beastmen, Cathay, Dwarves and Tomb Kings. Surprised nobody went brets or empire but i think people are using the small points tottaly to experiment.-Also FUCK these skeles were terribly designed, no wonder they lasted like 4 years.
>>96719168Whats the list niggs?
>>96719168Damn, looks like your army is completely ready for the tabletop
>>96719176>Necromancer Acolyte with sceptre of de noirot and dark magic: 95pts>Wight Lord with Sword of Striking: 55pts>30 Zombies: 90pts>5 Dire Wolves: 40pts>11 Graveguard with Banner: 127pts>10 Crypt Ghouls: 90pts>Total: 500ptsGhouls and Wolves to pester, Guard to, well you know, zombies to be fucking annoying. Necromancy 101.
>>96719184The local guys running max cathay lanterns in awe of my one primed unit and partially painted hero.
>>96719191>smallest sized game>nearly 60 minisI know thats effectively a horde list for that points level but whats the smallest an army can get for a lazy painter?
>>96719217Shocking nobody Ogres>Bruiser hero>unit of 4 ironguts>unit of 3 bulls>unit of 2 leadbelchers>2 sabertusks.12 models. Be a contrast shitter and go from sprue to tabletop ready in like 4 hours depending on primer dying speed.
>>96719184He primed half his army, he actually might win the best painted army award at a local TOW tournament
>>96719217>60 dudes >"horde" I fucking hate Nuhammer
>>96719168Damn should i make a 500 points army to sate my dark passenger craving legends bullshit but without comitting to a big army or is it a trap?
>>96719254It terms of point size and comparison to stuff like >>96719232
>>96719257total trap. do it. make the autistic slayer army of infamy you want.
>>96718301>tqEmpire, because I love those guys. Debating whether to paint them as Averlanders or Talabeclanders. And even if they suck, the War Altar of Sigmar and flagellants really do something for me.
>>96719297Not Averlands, they are so overdone
Dangit. Posted in the last thread.(Night) Goblin bigbosses or warbosses?Also should I have a goblin general or just use a black orc, or rather, will that make a difference if the whole army is goblins?Whole army will be gobbos.
>>96719246https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KaJDuTkyoDE
>>96719307Makes sense, it's a great color scheme and their fluff is fun. Hochland looks pretty sick too now that I'm looking again.
>>96719318If you have an all goblin army your chars imo should all be goblins. Ideally at least one char for each “ type “ of goblin (goblin+night gobbo)
>>96719365I thought that was a rule, even.
/pol/ is garbage can I stay here
>>96719149I love a lot of the new Cathay art that was done for the books. It has that old 6th edition general realistic art style that most new TOW art/AOS art lacks.
>>96719400This is for Warhammer Fantasy aka Warhammer The Old World. If you’re interested in 40K there are a few different 40K threads on /tg/ that you can check out.
>>96719401Correct side up because 4chan is a bloody bastard.
>>96719404Cool anyways how do I get into warhammer 40k
>>96719428Buy a Dwarf batallion.
>>96719428>>96719518Common misconception but it’s the Bretonnian Core Set you want
>>96718301>TQSimilar to >>96718316 I'm working on 500 points of Beastmen, butI'm actually theming them as late autumn early winter, when everything is cold and dying, but not cold enough for snow or holidays (pale fur, dead grass bases, vague nurgle assoc.). Very specific vibe, idk why beastmen seem to be so seasonal.
>>96719526Kinda a newfag here but what's with the rolled shit on some of these thread
>>96719540*threads*
>>96719526Right, peg knights. I was thinking about the gunline. Maybe welfs for so many skirmishers?
>>96719554>gunlineEmpire, specifically Nuln
>>96719554Best gun line is probably empire followed by dwarfs
>>96719600And what is the worst one
>>96718387AgreedI have built about 50 of these for my new VC army, as I wanted to replicate that classic john blanche art with the horde of spear skelesI have a few more boxes to build before I'll be happy with the horde
>>96719596>>96719600Nuln, sure, but I always think of blocks of state troops when I think of Empire. Dwarfs are slow, but guns are damn fast.
>>96719246Why are you projecting?
>>96719636You got a picture of them
>>96719661Needs paintingI'm also building down animated spooky trees to count as crypt horrorsI love the old bone chariot so I'm trying to fit those in too alongside some bats
>>96719651Hellblaster Volley Guns elevate the empire gun line above all others. Along with great cannons being superior to dwarf cannons (hopefully that changes next edition)
>>96719673Pretty kino you got anything else you can show us
>>96719651>Faith>Steel>Gunpowder
>>96719674I thought the dwarf cannons were pretty cool
>>96719726Beautifully painted, anon.
>>96719339HOCHland is sick as fuck and is the least common empire army on the tabletop
>>96719737Not mines but thanks anyways. I wish I could buy some of the dwarf miniatures
>>96719623Chaos, I guess, they only have one gun and it's a rare choice.
Can someone post link on fuckehueg fan-made map?
>>96719765That's lame I would expect them to have more powerful weapons
>>96719777they kinda don'tthe only chaos-exclusive magic weapon that's remotely worth taking is the chaos runesword, and it's not really great.
>>96719812Well that sucksAt least in the normal warhammer40k universe they're alot more interesting
>>96719759I wish they would do an MTO of the 5th edition metal dwarfs. Such character in those old goofy sculpts.
>>96719726Sovlfvl
>>96720046My dad owned quite a bit of metal dwarves the sentimentality would be too much for me not to be them.
>>96720106What happened to them? They’re so expensive on eBay now.
>>96720186He had sold his armies ages ago. He had no time to play games anymore due to circumstances and a few hundred bucks sounded like a better deal. My baseline of what Warhammer is is a grotesque and bloody image of a Ogre Butcher in one of his old army books (I think it might have been a WD since the books were black and white then) and those metal dwarves.
>>96720242Could it have been from the 8th edition Ogre army book? That was done in color.
>>96720254I very distinctly remember an Ogre vs Orc diorama being shown off and artwork of a Butcher, but it’s been so long ago I can’t recall what it was specifically.
>>96718301Apparently there is a really highly detailed map that GW put out for TOW. Anyone happen to have it? They apparently keep squashing it when it pops back up.
>>96719770Is this the one you’re referring too?>http://www.gitzmansgallery.com/shdmotwow-full.html
>>96720496>>96720499whoa, like, thanks man. I wasn't that first dude, but what kind of timing is that.
>>96720496If you scroll all the way down you’ll get to GW’s official interactive map >https://start-warhammer.com/theoldworld/
>>96720503Happy to help Anon
I don't want to work on more plague monks
>>96720581You vill paint ze monks
Business idea: Hatred: Unpainted
>>96719127Hopefully a nerf. Ring of jet is retarded and Cathay broke what little interest my group had in the game
>>96720607If you're all just playing with one another, couldn't you just make a gentleman's agreement to forgo Cathay?
>>96720586Painting isn't the problem; it's the damned moldlines
>>96720611Three people picked up the army. They don’t want to play against each other and no one wants to play them. Everyone just went back to 40K
>>96720677cant they just restrain themselves and not spam the best options? I play my cathay with unoptimal choices and people in my LGS still want to play me.
>>96720802Sadly no. They are all turbo faggots, I thought that was implied when I pointed out the return to 40k
>>96720886I see. thats a shame and I guess it was implied, yes.
Why can’t he just make points adjustments? How can this game be unbalanced for so long and the only points changes made were some laughable decrease to peg knights?
>>96720046https://mirandairene.co/products/fantasy-metal-model/dwarf/c-99/I've bought from this spot in the past and got some good quality metal Bretonnians, before the re-release by GW.
>>96720661I've been in mold line purgatory myself for months. Totally worth it for non-retarded-mudcore-midget Bret infantry though
>>96720916What's this? An attempt to balance the armies based on how good they are so the worse armies get more points for a 2000 point game?>Nehekaran royal hostI didn't know that the worst tomb king army was still one of the best.
>>96721088That's exactly what it is. Honestly fair, I agree with it as a fan rule. Fun thematic meme armies like Talsyn or Slayers just get shitstomped every game without a handicap.
>>96718065I'll do you one better, and show you 81 painted clanrats.So my point still stands, why have they restricted clanrats to 40 max in a unit?To anyone else interested, I will repost my original question:"Also, a screaming bell has Stubborn, but you cant confer stubborn to a unit unless that unit also has stubborn, correct?So, the fact the screaming bell has stubborn is completely irrelevant, since the clanrats or stormvermin pulling it won't have stubborn. So it only matters when the screaming bell is on its own?"I just also just realised that the bell doesn't join the unit, so a decent general would just use cav with first charge and disrupt the clanrat unit...
>>96720916>I DON’T CARE ABOUT BALANCE>I DON’T CARE ABOUT EVENTS>I DON’T CARE ABOUT CATHAY>IF YOU PLAY A BROKEN ARMY THEN JUST DON’T BE A DICK>WE SHOULDN’T HAVE TO MAKE UP RULES TO FIX BAD SPORTSMANSHIP
Am I insane or are Dire Wolves just bad? In like, every edition. On paper, they should be fine as something to pressure artillery, bait out enemy cav or side-charge things for extra combat res... but in practice they're so weak and with crumbling they just die, often only taking a model or two with them, never paying for themselves.
>>96721225>cav with first charge>tfw three full command KOTR unitsFeels fucking good man. Best part is it's the lesser WAAC option between them and pegasus spam/GKs, and it's easier to find room for a cheap Paladin in the unit with a strong Virtue or magic item. Even against WAACfags it at least gives me a chance while still being fun and thematic.
>>96718387These skeletons are unironically one of the best kits GeeDubs have ever put out.
>>96719033Lmao nice one bro same here regarding jacking off using your wife's abused sloppy flaps
>>96719528Post em, are you the bloke with the beastlord with the shiny axe?
>>96721430You too?
>>96721225*cough*Wrong bases, buddy.
>>96718985artisan guild has pinup models of all kinds, all with nude and non-nude versions
Picking up my bone dragon again, after 4 months. Just applied an oil wash.
>>96721462>what if Kingdom Death looked like shit but costed just as muchDestined for some printroon's Etsy
>>96721356guessing you are new to the game but all 'dart' units whether its chaos warhounds or dire wolves are purely there to charge block using their mobility. The main benefit of dire wolves as dart units is that you can heal them, so if you want a charge blocker but they get turn one and shoot them you have more chance of keeping the unit in the game. Such units were never meant to win combats though.
>>96721225Based.I'm the guy that said post models assuming you were a secondary.Here's some of my ratattas, they're in the top 1% of ratattas.>Inb4 round bases
>>96721484I love that the bone dragon looks like a museum exhibit
>>96721522Kek, always the "I own TWENTY whole contrastslopped models on roundies" types demanding you to post models. I have 160 doods to assemble and paint on a busy schedule and I want them to not look like shit when I'm done.
>>96719401>>96719421I think most of TOW's art has been pretty good, especially by the standards of some modern GW art.
>>9672152280 clanrat bro here, just gives me an excuse to post my models.Also excellent choice of colour ratbro.
>>96719127In an afternoon Miao Ying single-handedly saves Marienburg, and possibly the Old World in its entirety, from conquest by northern barbarians.
>>96721420I don't hate first charge per se, it feels fucking good when you use it yourself.But it's just such a feelsbad when you really can't play against it without doing some WAAC stuff yourself.
>>96721576I like the lore implication of Cathay getting involved in the Old World's affairs when there's still time to change things, it gives me hopium we're on the Storm of Chaos/Vermintide timeline and the pigshit that was the ET was the "what-if" dream of some Slann or picrel.
does WFB have a scale problem as a setting?
>>96721611not as much as people think when coming from 40k
>>96721597AoS is literally canonized in the first few paragraphs of the TOW rulebook anon. The real problem with TOW is that it will hit its narrative peak with the Great War so GW will want to stretch it out into at least another edition or maybe two, all the while sidestepping big factions like VC and Skaven.
I have a shit tonne of Vae Victis STL kits, and scans of the 7th Ed State Troopers, would pic related be the best way to pose them?>Minimal horizontal interference, ensuring everyone can line up properly.>The lock step marching would be incredibly aesthetic.>Clear access to every part of the model; no having to finagle your brush in between arms to get at the chest, for example. Plus, you get to see *all* of your handy work and details.>Pose is semi-neutral, it can show them marching against an enemy, manuevering, or even orderly retreating. This avoids "I'm stabbing at nothing!" Poses that are only cool in specific contexts.>No time wasted on making sure you set up your regiment correctly: "oh no! I put the third rank in front, now the first rank can't fit because their spears that are at the ready are clacking against the guys in front! Let me play musical chairs for two minutes to set the regiment tip in its hyper specific way!"The only problems I can think of is the potential for spears to snap during transport or play.
>>96721580Eh, you could screen with monsters or Fire & Flee skirmishers or blast my cav with a gunline, maybe bait me into a risky charge or something, but failing that I'm happy to play against WAAC as long as my opponent isn't a joyless fag. Going down swinging against WoC monster mash is sick as fuck, especially in a 2500+ game where I have the tools to give me a decent chance.>>96721618They really should've started with the Vampire Wars. Would've been a perfect opportunity to run MTOs on all the old Mordheim models too.
hopefully this has some fluff from settra's arcane journal, otherwise no full scan of it has been sighted yethttps://gofile.io/d/YQnN5b
>>96721632I wish the Bretonnia kits came with proper heater shields like this instead of their Renaissance Faire dork shit with a pronounced trim.
>>96721618>AoS is literally canonized in the first few paragraphs of the TOW rulebook anon.GW ass is the size if the Mariana Trench they can pull something out ,they did so in the past.
>>96721634yeah if they'd started from Mandred's skaven wars it could've started with skaven, then gone to the vampire wars, then waaaagh gorbad, and up to where we are now and basically done a greatest hits for every faction in fantasy finishing with the great war. Even from the grave AoS still finds a way to fuck us I guess.
>>96721618This is entirely contingent on AoS selling well, which...
>>96721669no it is entirely contingent on GW never walking back their dumb decisions because no corpo hire can ever admit to making a mistake.
>>96721507Anon, Russians have you covered. They long ago plundered all the booty.
>>96721553?No contrastslop used here nigga. I've only got about 750 points of painted skaven for age of sigma, not my main army or main gameSorry lil dudes don't bring you joy, I have a good time with them
>>96721672>sales continue their current trend>sidecut tranny game irrefutably proven to be a flop>meanwhile TOW sells about as well as WFB did in its prime, still nowhere near 40k but enough to justify keeping around>this creates pressure on GW from Solomon Shareholdenstein>pink-haired septum-pierced "lore" poztards instantly fired, sculpting talent moved to TOW>James puts out a community post>"Turns out the Mortal Realms were the strange dream of a second spawning Slann named Lord Xualupa, who pondered and shaped an entire alternate reality in his unconscious mind, but looks like he finally woke up and took a big stinky frog shit on the floor. Time to return to reality, faggots!"I would forgive James for this, but only for this.
>>96721558Thanks homie.I've heard skaven are trash to ToW good on you for playing what you love. Based and fun pilled
>>96721775GW is just a brand name. The people that made WHFB are no longer there. They were the important part in making something worthwhile.I'm not gonna say the new stuff is garbage because it clearly has it's audience, but it is very obviously written, designed and sculpted by very different people with a different frame of reference and inspirations.WFB is dead and it will never come back.
>>96721830There is WFB-flavored sovl hidden in AoS, it's just buried under tons and tons of soÿ.
>>96721830I suppose it is interesting how they don't say who wrote the books anymore. That's kind of lame. It was nice knowing exactly who was responsible for the cool books or the lame books. I don't care much for Pirinen's latest work, but he did a real good job with the 5th ed chaos stuff he did. Now, I can't know who to blame for writing the god-awful and boring chaos army rules in TOW.
>>96714724>Which controversy?The most recent ones.Something about updates breaking mechanics, constant delays on the upcoming DLC, and a few e-celebs getting sick and tired about the company.
>>96721775>>meanwhile TOW sells about as well as WFB did in its prime, still nowhere near 40k but enough to justify keeping aroundIsn't the entire reason behind the endtimes that whfb wasn't selling enough to justify keeping around? I doubt they were ever making a loss on it or anything, but yknow opportunity cost and all that. What is tow currently doing different to avoid fantasy battle's fate? Is the influx of total war zoomies really enough to save it?
>>96721931Soitubers having meltdowns don't impress me at all, those idiots are always in a constant state of hysteria.
I'm gonna be real 2nd edition of AoS was basically "what if 40k didnt turn to shit" and was so good i never expected fantasy to take off on return let alone see AoS become such a shitshow.
>>96721963it stopped selling because it got bloated. The rules incentivised units of 40+ models as default, they tried to sell expensive "centerpiece" models and pushed for standard games to be 2000+ pts games while at the same time removing the skirmish rules from the BRB while there were no specialist games around at all. So if you were a new player and you wanted to get into the game you were looking at painting several hundred models and spending ridiculuous amounts of money before you got to play at all.They killed the game with bad management and then destroyed the IP because they were stupid.Then they launced a new game with a new setting without a plan and without any miniatures. They literally just had the two factions from the starter set for AoS for 4 years straight. I've never seen something mismanaged this badly. Although WotC is getting close in recent years with DnD.
>>96721987Why would you speak with so much confidence about things you know so little about anon? I'm not even being catty just genuinely wondering.
>>96721987It stopped selling because there were berely any new plastic releases for 10 years, until End Times.
i want to be a night goblin irli want to drink fungus wine and eat magic mushrooms and maybe steal something shiny from da umiez or scalp a dwarfs beard or something before i die hilariously or horriblyi want to be insane green and stinky and short in a cave with my gobbos
>>96722008>I'm not even being catty just genuinely wondering.Faggot
>>96721922I don't think it makes a difference, the authors have to tow the company line and it looks like most books are collaborations now anyway so there is usually no wriggle room. That is why every supplement is so samey, they've been given a format and have to stick to it and it isn't just for TOW, it's literally every game the specialist games studio does. If you are told you have to make a product where every unit is directly monetized in the form of a kit, a softback book is 100 pages, you can make four new units, two characters and two lists you are already pretty restricted.
>>96721963it wasn't just fantasy, the entire company was close to collapse that's why their reinvention at the time was twofold: turning fantasy into aos, and turning 40k into primaris 40kthey changed ceo before another terrible decision was made (slaanesh's death/fusion) but too late to avoid the terrible decision that was aosthe new ceo had the brilliant idea (read: basic decency) of fixing aos with points costs, and doing discount bundles for all model linesthat helped gw bounce back MASSIVELY also contrast paints did good allegedly gw has been trying to mend aos left and right because they invested too much into it upfront to walk back on it, and arguably they almost succeeded in making a moderately upstanding additional IP that could exist side by side with the others, but the fundamentals are still awful, you can't build a setting like this, one day they have to stop and admit they have to do something with that teratoma, because the situation of split and non-compatible lines between aos and tow is holding back both, and the origins of the setting can be fixed with one bold decision
>>96721977>2nd edition of AoS was basically "what if 40k didnt turn to shit"That was my first attempt at AoS when Cities of Sigmar released their gimped tome with the WHFB models. Not unenjoyable but didn't stick with me. I just kept waiting for something cool and kept getting disappointed, and then the rules and community kept getting worse. I even held out hope for Chorfs. Lmao.
>>96722017 >insane >green >stinky >short >in a cave >with my gobbossounds like you already have 4 of those
>>96722017Would you care to engage in mutual racial animosity?
>>96722018I mean you're just plain wrong on both, and at least on the aos stuff it takes a 5 second google search to find out. I just don't know why someone would commit to such a retarded argument for literally 0 reason.>>96722026>and the origins of the setting could can be fixed with one bold decisionI don't know if that's what you're implying but I do unironically think aos would be better off as a third universe, instead of the continuation of the fantasy one (to say nothing of tow being improved by making the endtimes non-canon). The end times barely matter for aos as is, only the actual destruction of the world + some additional tidbits like slaanesh really having it out for the elves, affect aos' storylines afaik.I mean I get why gw made the decision back in the day, but like you said imo it's holding both back at this point.
>>96722056You are talking to mutliple people, but so far you haven't made any attempts to explain what you mean aside from acting catty and calling people retarded.There is a novel's worth of reasons on why things went this way. You could get into Kirby's retirement plans and stocks etc. but I wasn't trying to write a paper in a 4chan post.But so far you haven't mentioned anything worth even addressing. What did that 5 second google search turn up for you then?
>>96722056>I don't know if that's what you're implyingkinda>the realms form with the catastrophe, not the end times>different gods and personalities reach the realms in different periods (dwarf gods after the cataclysm, sigmar after leaving the empire, nagash after being defeated etc)>only a few characters/factions get to consistently hop from one to the other, otherwise the realms are almost as unreachable as the realms of chaos and viceversa, the world is almost inaccessible from the realms, with rare if any communication between the peoples of the twoI have convenient explanations for most characters that exist in both places except for those fucking elven twins, god damn it, otherwise it can be perfectly seamless down to the factions' origins making sense with the history of the fantasy world
>>96722080>Then they launced a new game with a new setting without a plan and without any miniatures. They literally just had the two factions from the starter set for AoS for 4 years straight.I'm specifically talking about this when I was asking why people would speak with authority on things they have no clue about. I don't know if you're the guy who posted this, but come on.As for the bloating stuff, it was my impression that raising army sizes and so on was an attempt to squeeze more money out of existing players, since whfb was already running into problems attracting new blood. I've heard lots of conflicting theories on this, from competition with mesbg to challenging paint schemes (when compared to 40k). Regardless I think the bloating of armies during 7th and especially 8th was more a symptom than a cause of the disease. >>96722108Mhm, I see what you're getting at. Making aos kind of a great game type shit where it's happening simultaneously with tow, but more of a clash of the gods thing that the mortals aren't really aware of. Interesting idea.I would personally split it wholesale, in the same way whfb and 40k were split. There's characters that appear in both settings, like the chaos or elven gods, but they're not *really* the same character. Teclis and tyrion can be normal elven princes in the tow setting, and be twin gods of light in the aos one.
>>96721775>>meanwhile TOW sells about as well as WFB did That's not a good thing Anon
>>96721977I took a little tour of Warhammer World when I went on a trip to fuck my mistress in the UK back in 2023 and I was very inspired by the AoS dioramas, way more so than the 40k ones, and so I decided to go ahead and try a game of AoS (which I have always previously made fun of) and the game was absolute dogshit.
>>96722179>I'm specifically talking about this when I was asking why people would speak with authority on things they have no clue about. I don't know if you're the guy who posted this, but come on.I don't know what your issue is. That is literally what happened. They only had the Khorne Guys and the Stormcast. The studio usually buffers releases several years in advance, but because the powers that be came at them with the demnad for a new game out of the blue they had nothing. So it stayed that while while they were scrambling behind the scenes to make stuff happen.> it was my impression that raising army sizes and so on was an attempt to squeeze more money out of existing players, since whfb was already running into problems attracting new bloodThat is a circular problem. You don't get new player when it's obvious the rules are a marketing tool. And like I said there was no easy buy-in. The older editions had skirmish rules, or the path to glory mini-campaign stuff. And without Mordheim or something like that you basically had to start with a full army.The ironic thing is that during the End Times when GW was bringing out tons of new kits people were buying stuff like crazy. People were happy the game was getting attention again. Every global campaign so far had a "end of the world" flavor btw, so there was literally no reason to think they'd blow up the planet, the setting and the game. Storm of Chaos was a end of the world scenario as well. 40k Armageddon campaigns were about chaos making it to earth etc. Stakes like that were not enough to prepare people that what they just had spend hundred of dollars on buying a month before was gone in an instant, only to be replaced with some pithy pdf rules that made fun of their old armies.
>>96722234I agree it's probably a vicious circle problem. Why'd they get rid of skirmish games then? I assume they ment for starter sets to be your intro boxes, but that probably doesn't work as well as with 40k because there's not a single faction that 50%+ of your playerbase is interested in practically by default.As for the miniatures thing, maybe you missed the 4 years part of the initial statement or something? Because from july 2015 to july 2019 aos came out with>stormies>khorne>fyreslayers>alarielle's elves>tzeentch (tzaangors)>stormcast again>kharadron>morathi's elves>nurgle>atlantis elves>some sidegame stuff (silver tower, underworlds, ...)>miscellaneous chaos warrior releases (varanguard, archaeon)>stormcast again (2nd edition)>nighthaunt (2nd edition)It's such a baffling statement there must be some miscommunication going on because that's the only way I know how to interpret the original claim.
>>96722198Ok, I'll bite, this is a weird thing to brag about. What does having a mistress (either a second woman on the go, or whatever BDSM thing) have to do with wargames? You could have just said you visited WHW while you were in the UK two years ago.
>>96722179>Regardless I think the bloating of armies during 7th and especially 8th was more a symptom than a cause of the disease.The disease was 7e; they (Matt Ward) wrote a few ridiculously OP books that essentially killed the edition. Meaning new blood dropped off since no one wanted to play one-side roflstomps they then compounded the problem with bloat in 8e to try and squeeze existing players while simultaneously raising prices at a non-stop pace. They essentially did everything to kill off the game and then wondered why no one was interested. Funniest part is when they did release the end times the books and models sold like gangbusters but by then it was too late.>>96722187>That's not a good thing AnonNTA, you ignored the key part of his post dingus "in its prime" WFB was popular and doing well until 7e.
>>967220282nd edition was a "okay, that didn't fucking work" do over. It wasn't WHFB but it didn't need to be because people who wanted that just went to 6th or kow or whatever. 2nd launched with "Malign Portents" where yuo got a bunch of new heros very different to the current stuff, the Nighthaunt faction and all over the realms Nagash's brewing end of the world spell was making wierd shit happen like a nurgle demon on a hill watching a field of corner turn into ears of skeleton teeth and his snails dont want to go near it and he goes "okay lads, something fuck ups going on" and in general its a case of "Nagash is back at his horseshit again" and it gets fucked up by the Skaven. It felt like they realised this was a sequel to WHFB and not Fantasy 40k. Not stellar but such an improvement over 1st it was a good ass time.But then the waacfags and tourneyshitters tried to turn a beer and pretzels game into a fucking warmachine clone and for 2 editions its feels like its fallen off a cliff.
>>96722187You have to bare in mind """adjusted for inflation""" prices that go up almost every year. They can sell the same but make a significantly higher profit now its a specialist game made for less and charging more for a more dedicated enthusiast audience.
>>96722451I'm pretty sure everything but metal kits is pretty much a bit cheaper on a per model basis compared to 8th. With the obvious caveat that you're basically always paying for two boxes worth of sprues.
>>96722466I think the competing interests also account. Back then you could be a neckbeard and pay like 8 quid a month for world of warcraft and the cash and time to play was a bit of a barrier. In the age of companys releasing 80 dollar games with day one 30 dollar dlc to try and obfuscate games pusing triple figure price tags warhammer despite its own hikes is nowadays the more affordable option and covid lockdown got a lot more people into slow hobbies.
>mfw I roll a double on primal fury
>>96722179>Teclis and tyrion can be normal elven princes in the tow setting, and be twin gods of light in the aos one.My autism requires me to conciliate the overlaps, enough that even if I had to make them completely separate characters with coincidentally the same name, I am bound to have an excuse as to why they have the same names.The excuses I have for the elven gods in these coexisting realms, as of now are(using a pastebin because it's multiple posts of text that's practically off topic here) https://pastebin.com/APVyuk44
I honestly think some people don't know AoS is set after WHFB and TOW is set before WHFB and not one of these three occur at the same point in time and STILL get mad going "how can this character be so different SEVEN THOUSAND YEARS APART" like it doesn't make sense that things happen as time passes.
Fellas i just want Centigors to be good...
>>96722540I doubt anyone is upset about their characters being different, I don't think there's too many whfb grognards reading the latest aos battletomes to get a feeling of what tyrion is up to these days. They're more upset that they exist in aos at all.
>>96722540I have never seen anyone suggesting anything of the sort.The people who don't know the time placements of the settings wouldn't know how the characters are different in the first place, you're making up a strawman.
>>96722554How are they bad? Legit question cause they always perform well for me. Every single game. Their only significant downside is costing a bit too much by like 2-4 pts a model. But that's easy to work around
>>96722427>>96722451>after 2 decades of growth a company having the exact same customer base as in early 2000s is good actuallyShareholders would murder the guy responsible for ToW if it was doing wfb numbers.Although they moved a random AoS sculptor to be incharge of ToW's models now, so maybe ToW team already is dead
>>96722617I could see it doing wfb ratio to 40k. Which would be amazing. Like if TOW is selling 60% of what 40k is pulling that's huge numbers.
>>96722617Its a specialist game. Outside of Necromunda being the secret core pillar of GW they all sell less. Its AoS that needs to sell in big numbers to please them. This is hobbyshit for grogs.
>>96722627Give me the number to your drug dealer if you're seeing shit like that
I played AoS yesterday and last week I played TOW :)
>>96722695That's pretty gay I guess
>>96722695Next week you'll play KoW surely then!
>>96722627I'd be surprised if tow hits 6% of 40k numbers to ne honest. Keep in mind this game probably has the highest % of proonters and proxy users, on top of it just being a lot more niche. 40k is absolutely massive these days.
>>96722740>You will not be missed.>Also, here's a black Damsel, a black Warrior Priest, a black Knight Errant, and an entire squad of black female Empire Knights from our official studio.So anyway I started proxying
>>96722713>shit tier chatay proxies>perfect basis for k9rnogors conversionsbeastchads, I kneel, even when you do nothing, you win
>>96722713No, don't have an army for that
>>96722713Is this game fun? Been kicking around the idea of trying it out since I've heard good things.
>>96722540I’ve had to explain it to a 40K friend that AoS is basically a universe reset after the Apocalypse. I think so many big characters in AoS being from WHFB means there’s a deceptively high hurdle for casuals to get into the most important characters. To learn Sigmar’s deal for instance, requires you to check out a book currently with a “The Old World” logo on it and not a Age of Sigmar logo.
>>96718301>TQEmpire, making a force I can use both for TOW and 6th edition WHFB
>>96722824Eh but that's the thing though, for most characters their whfb backstory barely matters in aos. Like who the fuck cares what ushoran was up to back in the olden days when he's got his own thing going in aos yknow
>>96722617>a random AoS sculptorPeople were singing that dude's praises and saying he made some of the best AoS models (not a high bar to clear, mind you) not even two weeks ago.I think you're trolling, anon. You're doing a good job of it too, because I fell for it. GW can rot for all I care, if the sales are shit (and I'm not saying they are) it's because they didn't bring back enough old models. If they're not selling anything I want to buy, why would I give them my money? They got some cash from me for the metal 6th ed sorcerer on a chaos steed, a box of chaos warriors, a box of marauders and the books. If they want more of my money, they have to put in the work, and I'm sure this applies to everyone else too.
We (as a playing group) decided to get a friend the empire starter box for TOW. I'd be the one painting the whole thing. I've been painting every single day, 1-1,5 hours a day and I've got 15 more dudes to paint. I dread painting now to the point that those dudes aren't finished, got two days to get some paint on them and I'm 100% sure I'm not going to do it. Never again
>>96722929Have you considered changing the color scheme to something way faster just for those 15 models?
>>96722617>random sculpterLiterally the best guy on the AoS team except maybe the Night Goblin guy
>>96722953We thought Nuln looked cool on paper. I cannot emphasize how burnt out I'm getting from painting red and black. It's like the more I paint, the more disgusted I get and the more hideous the models end up looking. I can't even find joy in painting my own dudes
>>96722986How hard could black on red possibly be
>>96722853>Like who the fuck cares what ushoran was up to back in the olden days when he's got his own thing going in aos yknowI disagree. If people care enough to read up on a character's lore in the first place, they're probably going to care some amount about their origin so they can get the whole story. And if the origin of the character explicitly comes from a prequel, they'll probably give it at least a glance.I won't say there's no people who will just read up a bit of surface lore of an AoS character and call it a day, but I'd say people with an actual interest will bother to dig a bit deeper, if only to be able to keep up when discussing lore with other grogs.
>>96722853I think from a perspective a newcomer, they would care. Starting from the beginning is a go to strategy to get into anything, and there’s an additional curiosity and novelty to see where it all began. I think it’s amusing seeing regular people online and in real life “complain” about the quirks 60’s comics cause they saw a comic movie and were inspired, but I think it speaks to the tendency of people to start from the very start unless a better jumping on point is sign posted by the company or community, something I think AoS has fallen short of.
>>96723007Never said it was hard. I'm saying if I pick one more dude with the same exact body and arms to do the same paintjob, I'm genuinelly going to lose it
Is this the place to talk about WHFRP?
>>96723062yeah
>>96722665>>96722740I literally pulled a % out of my ass, it wasn't important. My point was, even though it is being outperformed by 40k if it's selling a relatively decent percentage then it's making good profit. The total market as a whole has grown a huge amount since end times.
>>96723067What is some iconic bullshit that goblins like to throw at people messing on their turf. Already got “Da Light Brigade” (Squig cavalry) and a Doom Diver. These are Night Goblins obviously, guess madcaps?
>>96723089Yeah Madcaps mushrooms or nets
>>96718301I already know it's going to be WoC, I have been collecting some singles lately. Got a metal Be'lakor coming in mail soon.I just have too many other projects underway to actually commit to a full army so far though.
>>96722695No one likes bisexuals pick a team, faggot
>>96723265Why would I, if I enjoy both games?
>>96723089doom divers aren't really night goblins, but nobody would give you shit for them, they're hilarious night goblins are often associated with trolls, so you can throw in some big brutes
>>96723272No likes enlightened centrist either
>>96723272You two-timing slut
>>96723265I do!
>>96722695Have fun king.
>>96723974See>>96723625
>>96723316They are associated with squigs, not trolls. Stone trolls kinda fit them tho', as they can probably be found in caves, abandoned mines or dwarf strongholds.
>>96721965legendoftotal war has been doing content for all total war titles since at least Rome II back in 2012 or whenever so it isn't exactly hysteria to crash out after CA released one of its buggiest games yet. The main issue is CA are trying to fix the game, run betas for fixes and put out content at the same time, basically breaking the game, delaying content while they fix it for about a year now, and running damage control. Mostly it points to warhammer being abandonware come December which is the real reason legend is leaving, the well dried up.
>>96721436Nah I haven’t started em yet past a test model. I want to do a mix of white, blonde, and very light browns for the fur.This is the only pic I can find rn, didn’t do the final skin highlight and the basing, but you get the idea.
>>96724049>They are associated with squigs, not trolls.Both
>>96722713I will now proceed to headcanon these fuckers into the regions surrounding cathay.
>>96721436Nah that's me
>>96724140You're the one with the pdf write up too right? Got a link again? Working on mine and want to see how mine compares
>>96724068>warhammer being abandonware come decemberI expect them to announce total war 40k any day, though you gotta wonder if that's going to step on the toes for the new dawn of war a little too much.That being said, is twwh3 doing that bad, sales-wise? Surely they want to squeeze out some of the more popular characters like neffy, thanquol or nagash before abandoning ship.
>>96724150The pdf for my dud's lore? Here it is if this is what you're referring too. Please share your write ups too Anon if you can or want.>https://files.catbox.moe/brfcre.pdf
>>96724212Yeah that's it. Still writing mine down even if I've got everything ready.
>>96724233Gotcha, keep it up beastbro
>>96718301After my bretonnians are done it is time for my beastmen.I bought these minotaurs second hand, it'll be the first time I feel sorry for stripping paint of a model.
>>96718387>When VC return
>>96724105Why does it look vaguely sexy? Is it a dog woman perhaps?
>>96724746They didn't move over the flesh eater courts guy to do new High Elf sculpts.
>>96725240Nta but he seems to have sculpted a bunch of stuff, not just the big vampire dragon snd ushoran
Redpill me on Nuln.I don't get it. I can't just take missile troops?Am I supposed to take regular troops with 2 detachments of state missile troops and set them up in a checkerboard formation like in total war?
>Every shop has one Dark Elf player>He's always the most insufferable cunt by a country mileIs it just the 90's edge that attracts them? almost every other army attracts chill dudes bar empire and it luring in some historical autism from people not yet ready for their napoleonics retirement home.
>>96721931Updates didn't break mechanics. They straight up broke the AI so that it would freeze and not do anything anymore. They added a custom resource to a few races and forgot to code the AI to pay attention to it, were told REPEATEDLY BY EVERYONE DURING THE BETA that this was the case. Ignored it and released it anyway.Ignored the outcry for multiple months. Refused to fix the issue. And only when the recent steam reviews got sufficiently bombed did they vaguely say that they would be doing something to fix it next patch... and then admitted they actually don't know what's causing that and how to fix it.This is because, odds are the AI engine is a hand me down from over a decade ago and the guy who made it never imagined the bullshit contortions the current team are putting it through, and has been unemployed since CA fired him three years ago.
>>96725513dark elves, vampires and chaos (slaanesh or edgy undivided), attract a very particular kind of sexually confused, metal-lover, long-greasy-hair-having, skinny waacfag.That's been my experience multiple times as well.
>>96721462Lmao, I think I actually want that elephant for a Beastmen army.
>>96725286I suspect that he sculpted the new Verminlord too; looks like a very similar style.
I need a funny name for a bretonnian tavern, preferably short.
>>96722713I'd use those monks. IDK about any of the rest. >>96722822Or does a good job of being WHFB in 30 minutes or less. It cuts a lot of stuff to do that, like individual casualty removal, multiple saves and magic phases. You should read the rules and try it for yourself.
>>96725728Le Cochon Bourré - The stuffed pig
>>96725728The Crimson Thunder Mug. (A "thunder mug" was another term for a chamberpot)
>>96725728Le poisson
>>96725728>Le-[broken sign]
>>96725828Kislevite bathtub carp is delicious.
>>96725513the dark elf player at my lgs is a great dude, he organizes a bunch of events and tournaments. Good dude. Real killer of a player too, I've never beaten him in a single game.
>>96725669It is amongst the more tasteful ones together with the other beastwoman
>>96725728L'Aubergine.
>>96725562Warhammer 2 chads rise up.Comfy settra campaigns all day.
>>96720916>me still crying that I can't load up shitloads of magical items on my lich priests
Cutting old ebay rescue models off of round/wrong-sized bases is quickly becoming my most disliked part of army building>just use base convertersI'm too perfectionist for that; I want things to have some semblance of uniformity and quality
I think i got a brain aneurysm assembling the Terracotta Sentinel
>>96726258It looks great but might be GWs most badly designed kit in over a decade.I put together a Cygor after mine and it took like 10 minutes, the sentinel took like a fucking hour and a half.AND IVE SEEN SOMEONE RUN FIVE OF THESE.
>>96725857I like this.
>>96726274>took like a fucking hour and a half.No way you did it in under 2 hours. Am i retarded? Took me SIX hours
>>96726274Modern GW kits are always needlessly complex to assemble. It’s such a joy assembling any older fantasy kits relative to the newer shit.
>>96726334Bro i know someone who i shit you not went through 9 hours of podcasts. i am just a quick builder and for me that was an eternity. I built the whole dorf batallion in the same time.
>>96726344Not usually this bad. His right leg is like 19 fucking pieces. Thats almost an entire cygor.
>>96726391You don't clean mould lines?
>>96726423yeah but i got quick at it using a builders scalpel.Took a few years of slicing deep into the bastard but gw plastics soft and you get the pressure down you can do with without making a rough mess you need to sand down. Just takes practice.
>>96726258>>96726274>>96726344>Modern GW kits are always needlessly complex to assemble. Modern nothing. The first wave of Newcron stuff back in the day was straight up lovecraftian in how incomprehensible it was to build. Lychguard neck pieces looking more like stomach wires, Command Barge having a numbering method best described as psychopathic, and Necron Warrior skulls attached to their sprue at the sunken curved recesses on their cheeks.That entire range was a call for help and I really hope whoever designed both it and the instructions got the mental health support they clearly needed.
>>96726423>You don't clean mould lines?That's just bonus trim for you to paint!
>>96724208people been speculating they want to do their version of end times next year so there's probably a full DLC left but the studio got gutted by sega, probably why they are moving so slow.
Thoughts on painting a Marienburg army like pink wojacks and finding little plastic microphones for them?
>>96725477Anybody, por favor?I am lacking the undarstandjngs saars.
>>96727037I think you've spent to much time on the internet. Don't even get the reference.
>>96725477>>96727045is this in reference to some TOW rules? I can't help you out with that. But Nuln has the Empire's Gunnery School, so if you plan on using artillery and gunners it's a good thematic fit.
Is no balloon Cathay viable? I like my army to be an actual army and not have to buy bulky carrying cases for large centerpieces. I don't even want to field Miao because of the logistics of bringing her from place to place, a shugengan Lord being as big as I'd realistically ever field.
>>96727095>>>/biz/
>>96722713>>96724105Im gonna be real, all around i hate these designs ( why the fuck are they furries, and dog furries at that? Is it a reference to the dogmeat general or something?) These are all around MUCH more memorable than the cathay shit that dropped. Either way no company has managed to scratch that cultivation aesthetic that im so desperate for, maybe freeblades but that also has furry stuff.
>>96725728There was seven taverns with the name The Kynges Hed in and around London during the 1450s
Painted my Dreadquake mortar for my Chorfs. It pains me that the best list is as many hobgoblins you have the patience to paint but that's GW for you. At least the Bull Centaurs and the Iron Daemon are still good.
>>96727636waacfag plsJust use the models you like like the most.
>>96727636arent centuars kind mid?
Kislev when?
>>96727636>best list Lol...lmfao
>>967280182nd edition
>>96718301>Which army are you considering for your next project and why?Dwarves because evil looks shitty (hence why I stay away from 40k) and I have high elves, those two don't fight often, but they are rivals who have vastly contrasting styles.
Vlad von Chadstein & Isabella von Carstacy when?
>>967285153rd edition
>That faction you want is added>It's AoSifiedWould you take it?
>>96723034Get a job.Also learn not to commit to things like doing 100 hours of work for someone else. You must be in your very early 20's.I won't even take people to the airport. Fuck that. Which airport? Chicago? To do what? Oh, enjoy yourself? And then I have to be on call next weekend for your flight back? No.
>>96728540You mean AOS models?Because that's happened for my Lizardmen and honestly, I don't mind it for some of the new models. New Saurus are a huge improvement over old ones. Downside is they're a bitch to rank up.I like the new Krox, too. New cavalry are a bit too big and dynamic and I wish they were a touch smaller so they could rank up. Lizardman Cold Ones are pretty old at this point (I think 6th is when they got their current models)Nu Slann would be fine if TOW Slann were on 60mm bases and could rank up with Saurus/Temple Guard.
>>96721931>Make a game starring all bad guys and chinks>Surprised nobody wanted to play it after all the chads in Warhammer 2
>>96728540I actually don’t mind the new skeletons for SBGL/VC, I just think the old ones are better.
What would you include in an army of infamy themed around Marienburg?
>>96728563Color me retarded, but aren't the new Saurus the ones with the dick outlines on their bellies? Or was that just a meme someone made with green stuff?
>>96728664Mercenary units have their costs lowered and mercenary point allowance is increased because they're so wealthy, why wouldn't they hire others to die on their behalf?
>>96728664As anon already mentioned mercenariesAlso:Handgunners instead of archers or crossbowmenFree Company to represent ship crewsGreat cannons instead mortar and hellstorm
>>96728664A better version of free company with pistols and swords, that can take light armour and have veteran
>>96728676Wut. That was apparently some mount, not related to saurus or lizardmen. But I'm going to call fake until someone posts a GW sprue showing it.People were making fun of the new Kroxigor for having Skink handprints down near their crotch area.
>>96728664A Greasus Goldtooth-style control ability where you can buy out an enemy unit for a turn. If facing Greasus himself, chaos erupts from the ensuing bid war: both players instead elect 1d3+1 opposing units and roll (1-2: Stupidity, 3-5: Control, 6: Frenzy). Affected units roll Ld at the beginning of Round 2 and on to remove the effects.
>>96725857Kek, winner
>>96728515They're already long dead at this point in the lore
>>96728664Merchant Lord>Mercantilism: Gives +1 LD bonus to the army's General when in the same unit. In addition, magic items and banners in the Great Merchant's unit may be purchased for 10% less points.Master Merchant>Gives +1 LD of "Mercantilism" only.High Priest of Manann*>LD 8. Priest of Manann*>LD 7. Knights Mariner>Models belonging to the Order of the Knights Mariner:>Can only be joined by a Grand Master or Chapter Master belonging to the Order of the Knights Mariner, a High Priest of Manann, or a Priest of Manann.>Have +1 Initiative, +1 WS, and Strikes First during the first round of combat.In addition, a Grand Master, Chapter Master, or unit of Inner Circle Knights belonging to the Order of the Knights Mariner:>Has a 3+ Ward save against any wounds suffered that were caused by an attack that has the Flaming Attacks special rule.*Prayers of ManannDrowned Man’s Face: The lungs of the foe begin to fill with water, and those slain by this prayer appear to have drowned.>A single enemy unit this model is engaged in combat with immediately suffers D6 Strength 3 hits. These hits have the Magical Attacks special rule, with no armor save permitted.Waterwalk: By calling on Manann’s mastery of the waters, the priest is able to summon the waves and walk across the water's surface.>The priest and any unit they join gain the Fly (10) special rule until the end of this turn.Winds Fair & Foul: The priest entreats Manann to provide a single friendly unit within its Command range with favorable winds. If successful, roll a D6;>On a 1, the unit is struck by a harsh wind and suffers D3+3 Strength 5 hits, each with an AP of -1. Once these hits have been resolved, the unit must Give Ground.>On a 2-5, the unit is granted favorable winds and gains +1 Initiative, +1 WS, and Strikes First until your next Start of Turn.>On a 6, the unit is inspired by winds of fortune and gains the Swiftstride and Impetuous special rules. Remains in play.
>>96728664Artillery causes 1 additional wound to them because the cowards hide in their rich city behind their rich walls while my poor little mortar has to take them by turn 8 or 9 or so before that asshole Louen does.
>>96722822It's easy and fast to play. I don't know if it has the same depth though.
Is there any use case for Vampires on foot in ToW? Lord or Hero. It seems like people mostly just use them as dragon lords.
>>96727481the only generous assumption I can make is that it's a reference to the cynocephali? these were believed to live in the east in times past, if I remember correctly otherwise it seems it's just a way to make general purpose kits for werewolves, they have made 3 kits of werewolves with absolutely no oriental flair attached to this armythe dragon, oriental paesants and oriental artillery are also general purpose kits one could potentially use as proxies
>>96727481>>96729719can't say I'm an expert on asian mythology, but there are some references to dogs here and there apparentlyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogs_in_Chinese_mythology
>>96728664>>96728695>>96728700>>96728748Also add Manann's Blades.
In fluff, generally are Gors/Beastmen comparable to Orcs?Main reason I ask is, Gorthor was outright slain when struck by a Runefang, where Gorbad, while badly wounded, ultimately survived the encounter. I know this is in broad strokes in terms of fluff capability but just curious.
>>96730490>In fluff, generally are Gors/Beastmen comparable to Orcs?They kill and eat humans. In that regard sure.Otherwise no. Orcs are just another race. Beastmen are children of chaos. Like a force of nature, except nature is literal evil, kind of. They are like the personification of the corruption that is infecting the world like a cancer.
>>96730490orcs are at times renown to shrug types of wounds that beings of their calibre shouldn't be able to, kind of like a toughness equivalent of the retard strength, a common trope for big dumb brutish things.Beastmen aren't described in similar terms in most of their depictions, perhaps because most of the narratives focus on underlining how they're clever underneath their bestial brutality, but they are indeed described as being physically impressive and there's as much variety, if not more, in the size and strength of beastmen leaders as there's in orcish ones, so it's perfectly possible to imagine them withstanding that kind of blow sometimes, as it's perfectly possible to imagine another orc like gorbad not being that lucky and instead dying from a similar strike.It's one of those things where plot matters more than preexisting characteristics.
>>96730500>>96730514Pretty nice replies, thank you. Just rereading Gorthor's and Gorbad's feats, I felt they were more or less the equivelent of each other for their respective armies i.e The supreme leader at their peak historically.Though I appreciate Gorbad made it to Altdorf, Gorthor managed to break a seige after 21 days of endless fighting at Hochland.
>>96719254It's a 500pt list anon
>>96722451>You have to bare in mind """adjusted for inflation""" prices that go up almost every year.Th majority of models being sold for TOW are a better price per model than when they were being sold at the end of whfb
>>96719168They look tiny and lonely on those supersized bases. It's obvious they were designed for 20mm.>not using crypt guard ghoulsngmi
>>96730514>>96730500>>96730490Orcs are commonly associated with boars, which are known for surviving obviously fatal wounds long enough to gore the poor sod that shot or stabbed them.
>>96730769>Orcs are commonly associated with boarsand beastmen aren't?
>>96730821No, Beastmen are more like... Boogeymen. When you look at an animal and get the feeling it's looking back at you with hate in their heart. Generally, Beastmen are associated with domesticated animals (since in-lore the original Beastmen were made from lots of tribesmen fucking animals near warpstone deposits) like horses, cows, sheep and goats because it's meant to evoke that sheer primal terror that the very animals you're raising might one day get on two legs and rape you to death.
>>96730821>>96730841And while pigs are technically animals you keep for domestication, historically they were more like some retarded forest critter that would come back to visit every once in a while. You "kept" pigs by tossing them out into the forest and hoping they come back in autumn after fattening themselves with nuts, roots and forest roughage. If you let a pig stick around the forest for too long, it can (and they still sometimes do) turn into a boar. You can't "civilize" them like a cow, which is why Orcs and boars are these dumb, destructive parodies of civilization.
>>96730821>and beastmen aren't?Beastmen are associated with goats.
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>>96730854Half right; Swineherd is a tough unrewarding job; pigs can look after themselves for the most part, but they need to have an eye on them, lest they invade crop fields and orchards, or run riot in the village looking for scavenge.Pigs are curious, intelligent, and quite destructive, so watching them it always some poor lout's job.
>>96730841>>96730854>>96730917you are associating orcs with boars because they use them as mountsbut beastmen use boars too
>>96729657You can. But most don't for a few reasons.1 you want you expensive fighty lord to be fighting and if they're in a slow infantry block they're easier to avoid 2 Dragons are pretty op, having been nerfed twice they're still better than foot lords 3. Linear magic item costs with exponential utility. Putting a 4+ invul save on a 200pt 3W foot slogger is nowhere near as useful as on the 500pt 8W dragon Lord.
Does anyone have any strong feelings for or against using named character models with named character rules but spinning it into your dude? Like I like Settra, and I like his model enough that I want to run it, but I don't want to *be* Settra.
>>96731677it's fine as long as the character is generic looking enoughsettra's model as another kang is finekarl franz as another dude would require at least a slight conversion to change its identifying elements
>>96731677I'm using a whole different armies character as my general. If it's the same base size, I can't see why people should care, let alone complain.
>>96731054Dif anon, but I do always associate orcs with pigs since that was a tolkien aesthetic for them as well in many depictions, tusks obv, as well as snouts. But they also have ape-like posture in warhammer too.
>>96731677It's kind of dumb, everyone will just see Settra since you're using both his model and rules. Insistiing it's /yourdude/ despite that seems like a lame cop-out. Normally your dudesing a special character involves some level of conversion work. Shit or get off the pot.
>>96731677GW LITERALLY does it all the time - or did when they were still cool, not corporate rats. There may be some instances when the character is so distinct it's not possible (like using plastic Ghazghkull as your regular warboss - old metal is fine tho'), but those are rare cases.
>>96731781we all know what 'depictions' you are thinking of anon...
>>96724298https://files.catbox.moe/agiibx.pdfAn attempt was made. Going to add a notable battles section as well, but there are only 2 that were interesting, and one being against lizardmen is hard to justify. Also realized i didn't put in the two banners. Eh, whatever for now.My painting sucks.
>>96718301>Which army are you considering for your next project and why?Just saw that an LGS has the old AoS beastmen bundle (bestigors, ungors, bray shaman, ghorgon/cygor) for its original price ($95)... I'm tempted to start that army now.
My Beastmen journal arrived and thats a neat little book. Often the Beastmen are just "they exist" kinds of armies but the stuff about Krawlmaw razing towns to the north and turning whole settlements into quais chaos spawn as those scouts ride for aid that never comes was some classic whfb vibes some of the other journals were missing in my opinion. Makes them feel like the real threat of the wild deep woods they should be.Whats peoples take on herdstones? i could see some people get pissy it adds something new to victory conditions or points counting but i love the theming of it.
>>96732379>herdstonesAmazing. Having one makes the gor core tax thematic and useful. A herdstone with a 20-30 skirmish gor unit that hangs around the stone with a caster feels right, and is really decent defense. 360 charge, always closest to the stone, re-roll 1s to wound, magic resist 1 and magic casting +1. That's better than many armies rare units. Hell it's better than cygors by a large amount. I'd like to see wood elves get an equivalent waystone. And if casket of souls became terrain that would be fun as hell.
Are you guys actually making 500 point border prince armies or meming?
Anyone spotted a pdf of The War of Settras Fury yet?
>>96732548I'm taking a break from expanding my Cathay army by building two to play with friends. Vampire Counts and Beastmen.Pic related just finished building and priming the last for my beastmen. Sounds like a fun narrative thing to get your "tale of four warlords" style escalation campaigns going. I figure i try both and the one i like most is my big 2026 army project.
>>96732566>Beastmen back on squaresnature truly is healing.
>>96732511how are gors a tax? they are solid infantry that many other factions wish they had.
>>96732566I'll be damned people are actually buying beastmen minis.
>>96718301>TQOrcs. Unbelievably. They were my first army as a kid and I adored their fluff, what with wackiness and the night goblins, trolls and squigs.Last few years I went full metal autism on Chaos. Loved the idea of adventuring in the Realm of Chaos, endless setting within setting possibilities, awesome aesthetic and huge depth for characterisation. Even bought the 5th edition books and Slaves to Darkness. Yet for some inexplicable reason, after playing a lot with Chaos, I now feel more drawn to Orcs. During my Chaos phase, I looked back at Orcs simplicity as a drawback.Now I sort of like it again. It probably also helped reading about Gorfang Rotgut in the BL novels and desoite dying, good god he went down gloriousky! So weird. Also the Warboss from the Command set looks bloody amazing!
>>96732566>OG Beastlord from 6th>2 big cows>gors out the wazooThat looks both like a very comfy and effective little army. Looks mint! Slay for Chaos!!!
>>96732675Each of us is making a story for our armies and my Beastlord and Shaman are twins born of minor nobles from the border abandoned in the woods. Amassing the other orphan gavebeasts.
>>96732694Well shiiiit. That's genuinely innovative fluff for your Beasts, nice dynamic going there. I actually got the same beastlord, don't tempt me into the Drakwald!!
>>96732764Just a little 500 points don't hurt nobody. Just take a little step off the path and follow the sounds leading into the clearing..
>>96732694What actually is a Gavebeast? i remember hearing the term in AoS and thought it was a misspelling of Grave Beast.
>>96732810Anon, the Badlands is calling me, do not pull me into the dark forests! Please, my wallet is hurting already
>>96732821The Empire would never publicly admit it but all beastmen are descended from humans afflicted with a specific breed of mutation after the original cataclysm that unleashed chaos on the world.While most beastmen today are their descendants many are also beastmen born to normal human parents who do not worship chaos. Those that aren't killed at birth at abandoned in the woods and the Gors refer to them as "Gavebeasts" as in "beasts given freely".Pay no attention to the fact the largest beastman brayherds are all close to the empires heart in its woodlands in places where family trees have a lot of "died in childbirth" notices.Or that a few Beastlords are said to have eyes and hair similar to Sigmar...>>96732824how does this make you feel brother?>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ds1ZsQAISeM
The only guy I know IRL collecting beastmen is a cringe furry (great player and hobbyist though). Does that come with liking the aesthetics?
>>96732893The one beastman dude I know offered me a go at a glory hole. so idk maybe/
>>96731438Yeah that makes sense. Even if dragons are theoretically more vulnerable to artillery, all the extra wounds make that a fairly moot point, especially on a faction with access to healing.In 8th I really liked having an on-foot lord in a thick infantry block, it was remarkably effective for a blenderpire or one loaded up with every leadership-penalizing power (my personal favorite even if it wasn't as good as Red Fury lmao) to utterly buckle the enemy's center. Vanhels solved all movement issues. I'm theorycrafting a kinda silly, hopefully fun build. Absolutely massive skeleton spear block with a vampire count on foot, and a wight lord BSB. Necromancer (upgrade to master if we're doing 2000 pts) has lore of necromancy, looking specifically for spirit leech. Vampire has illusion because duh, depending on how the list shakes out I might get a lore familiar to ensure Doppelganger. Use one spell I don't like to get hellish vigor for reserve move. The massive skeleton block is there to screen for the two banshees and terrorgheist. Use spirit leech to drop enemy leadership, scream everyone to death while holding with my huge infantry block. Huge infantry block forces enemies to actually fight the on-foot vampire. And maybe bombing the enemy's leadership will make beguile more reliable. Remaining points to go darters and/or a decent flank charger like Vargheists, I haven't worked out the points much.
>>96732893waiting for lizardmen to leave legends i imagine.
>>96732603Any 1+ unit is a tax, even if it's not onerous. If I could take a unit of Ungors instead as a 1+, I often would. You're right that Gors are damn decent though.
Building the tomb kings starter box. Should I build one giant unit of 40 skeleton warriors, or 2 units of 20?
>>96732993Personally if you're using Skeleton warriors then a big single brick is going to be better for holding objectives/scoring. It won't hurt to make 3 of the skeletons into a second command to give yourself flexibility tho.
>>96732903Should work well. Putting your doppelganger vamp in a Skeleton block is a pretty good idea. Imo people will be less afraid to charge it and you'll be more likely to get the vampire in combat. Is definitely think about getting the hellish vigor banner to guarantee that like extra mobility.
I have not seen a single person talk about how Cathay actually plays without the centerpieces.
>>96733042The balloon you mean. No one is centering their armies around Sentinels.
>>96732851It makes me want to WAAAAAGGGHHHH
>>96733042Because no one played without the OP balloons.
>>96733070Why Waaaagh when you can BAAAAAAAAAAAA
>>96733033Thanks. I figured a grave guard block would be way too easy to just avoid or tie down in chaff. Not to mention for holding purposes I want more ranks and the cheap skeletons help with that. I'm going back and forth on the vigor banner vs. the drakenhof banner. I think it'd depend on how mobile the enemy army is/how much magic they have to stuff a normal hellish vigor cast. Drakenhof might be a trap option I'll freely admit but 5+/5+ on a fairly cheap infantry unit could help with the holding quite well, and it'd give the vampire 4+ regen to go with either a 5+/6+ from flayed hauberk or just a 5+ or 4+ if I can slot a talisman in.
>>96733042Waacshitters seem to have put everyone else off Cathay till it gets a rebalance.
>>96733042>how does cathay play without using 3 of their 7 unitsYou're a retard.
>>96733042The heavy infantry and heavy cavalry is good and chinesey and the only reason people don't run more than the 500 points worth they need for core is because Cathay isn't a hobbyist's army, their magic items are completely cracked, and their army rules are stupid good. What more is there to say? You can figure all this out by skimming through their army book, though it's not even called an army book anymore. What would you want to discuss about Cathay, anon?
I feel like there are more Beastmen players than Orc players nowadays. Do greenskin enjoyers stick to goblins right now?
>>96733262Not really - black orcs and warboss on wyvern are current meta, especially since FAQ that allows you 1 fanatic for every 10 night goblins. I mean, sure - it's always good to have some in your army, like giants or mangler squigs, but it's black orcs that are hot right now. Plus troll horde. I don't think troll horde is particulary OP, but people apparently like it.
I am excited to be the only nigga on earth who uses an actual painted ARMY for Grand Cathay (jade fleet)!2x Gate Masters2x 28 jade warriors1x 18 lancers1x Rocket Battery1x Grand Cannon1x Terracotta sentinel1x Master mage1x 18 crossbowmen
>>96733368Nice work, have a social credit scoreGot any pics you can post?
I think Ill just get two of the battalion boxes and a miao ying. Aside from the dragon, the center pieces dont really look cool enough. Maybe Ill buy that turtle from aos and convert it into a Xuanwu and call it a lantern if I really feel the need to include one in my list.
>>96733512The battalion is pretty crazy for all new models.
Can anyone tell me where tf this area is placed within the Warhammer World?
>>96733735some dwarven hell hole
Alright boys just got a lot of lizardmen, ready to enact the will of the old ones. My lot is incomplete so have a few questions about what should I look for next while painting up what I gotI have:>1 carnosaur with rider, 8 cold ones, 10 temple guard, and 1 stegadon with various load outsI assume I'll need some saurus warriors but from there, what should I grab next? Besides a slann?
When do you reckon they'll put up the new Tomb Kings army box. I'm getting close to the finish line with my current army and will be gearing up to make something new. Also, just to be sure, despite being undead they aren't a horde faction right? I've done two back-to-back and need something that can feel a bit more elite.
>>96733773maybe theyll be announced this monday
>>96733761You're missing skinks, you can never go wrong with ski->remembered the poison nerfsMaybe salamanders, you can never go wrong with salamanders
>>96733735Somewhere on the Border Prince Tilea border
>>96733773You can play them both as a horde and elite army.
>>96733458only half way done painting it.
>>96733783That'd be neat.>>96733849Nice, thanks. I know there are more elite armies out there but my heart is set on egyptian skellies. I just don't know if I'd have it in me to do a 3rd horde army in a row. I was hoping I could make an army with some tomb guard, chariots and maybe a sphinx or two.
>>96733791Hmm, I suppose skinks so cheap can't go wrong with 10 or so even with nerfs>salamanderMy meta runs very infantry heavy, they got a decent chance of using those breathe attacks before getting killed?
>WFRP 4eWhat skill do you use for lying?
>>96733880Gorgeous
>>96733880I really wish they had helmets. Maybe ill find a way to obscure the faces.
>>96733952wish they had full helms*
>>96733924Charm
>>96733924Apparently Cool or Acting.
Newfag fluff question: What exactly is "jet"? I assumed it was just a made up name for jade at first, but I see that there are other Cathay things called "Jade (...)" so it can't be that.
>>96734337I'd always assumed the gemstone.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_%28gemstone%29
>>96734337Obsidian or flint.
>>96734337>>96734365This, it's a coal-black gemstone. Looks similar to onyx
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