Previous: >>96740619Fuck Token Players Edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Make custom cardshttps://magicseteditor.boards.nethttps://mtg.designhttps://mtgcardsmith.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed) (embed)>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQ:Favorite (super)cycle?
>>96748240>Fuck Token Players EditionUm sweatyWith your Rakdos Charm on the stack, I sacrifice all my tokens to Goblin Bombardment to kill you
Commander color identity need to be dead and gone just like mana burn.
>been working on list for Kilo for a bit>notice several cards on my list have the EOC symbol and i don't have them>go ahead and buy the precon without looking too closely at the decklist since it's not marked up or anything>precon arrived today and i started sorting it out to store>nonland cards are about 2/3 the same as my list>lux cannon, ripples, cornucopia, metamorph, tekuthal, pentad prism, golem foundry, even fucking swan song>realize i'd sunk weeks of thought into basically remaking a fucking precon from scratch>all motivation gonewhy even bother man
>>96748285Color identity is unironically the only bandaid stopping 90% of decks from being 80%+ the exact same cards.Colorfixing is too easy for 5c and it's too difficult to punish in a way that doesn't also fuck up a 2c-3c deck, assuming you're even able to effectively punish it because there's 3 different ways a 5c deck can fix itself that all require different cards.
Post decks instead of bitching about proxies and UB this time
>>96748313>Color identity is unironically the only bandaid stopping 90% of decks from being 80%+ the exact same cards.that hasn't stopped cedh thoughand what's clear is that there's a lack of strong edh spells that can only be played if your commander/s are of certain colors, though it'll be a long time for wotc to open up that design space
>>96748336>that hasn't stopped cedh thoughI mean yes and no. The best commanders are chosen because they have a large color identity that lets them run those overlapping cards. For a commander to be 1-2c it needs to have an extremely overloaded effect but even then those decks are prone to "commander doesn't resolve = NO GAME ahahaha all of the day bro" which is why they see lower conversion rate than the more generic decks that run the commander as a piece of added value rather than a central build-around.
How badly will they neuter the following tribes?>Elves >Kithkin>Merfolk>Flamekin>Dryads (and Treefolk)>Boggarts (goblins)>Fairies A lot of them were straight up violent and malicious, I can't see them bringing that aspect of the tribes back in fear of some political backlash
>>96748285SPBP
>>96748322I've only got three decks, I can't keep doing this anymore
>>96748368share the same three until anons stop whining about proxies
>they play another million mana do the thing card
Do you think I can do Yasharn blink in order to run Helix Pinnacle as a wincon? I can use Yasharn to flip Sasaya and make a kpjhillion mana and finish pinnacle in one turn
>>96748322>posting the most by the numbers tribal slop possibleIs rather bitch about ub than listen to an urfaggot brainlet
>>96748405no u
>>96748322Do you have Parkinson's? This camera quality is shaky as fuck.
>>96748358>elves- more green pip elves being black>kithkin- hobit/hafling nonsense>merfolk- prolly give them afro's>Flamekin 'ashlings'- see pix>Dryads + freefolk- high cmc, no stats, neglected>goblins- i expect them to fuck up the power creep here, and too totally wotc up the art to NOT be anti-semetic and prolly make them mexican like the d&d orc fiasco>Faeries- like goblins, but all tranny-coded
>>96748473yes
>playing my roommate’s tier three Teval deck with the Lathiel deck i just upgraded to tier three>I natural order into Vorinclex>”I le destroy that!!!!!”>I make it indestructible, next turn I give it flying and my whole board hexproof>”I LE BOARDWIPE, DESTROY ALL CREATURES!!!”>I make it indestructible >”well I guess I scoop cause I can't interact with your gamechanger in any way. Guess you need a gamechanger to beat me huh”>game before he literally won by gifts ungiven into cyclonic riftingI've been playing this former tier two against their tier three and dealing with fucking cycrift all this time. I hate it when people get pissy about playing against matching brackets
>>96748484>tier two>vorinclexLiving evidence that the bracket system does not work and things were better when everyone was a seven. Now everyone's a three and retards think they're a two.
>>96748503I don't think you read my post correctly
Someone played this shit tonight and it tilted me out.
>>96748511>11oh nodid you lose the game?did the player even look at your hand ?
>>96748285Commanders >2 and <1 colors need to be banned
>>96748484>im a retard with poor social skills so im here to bitch about shit you dont care aboutCool story anon im really proud of you and how you obviously weren't a seething little bitch with your friends until you could come make this post
>>96748358>Elves no longer p superficial, "true beauty is within". No more horns, smoothed facial features>Kithkinhobbit burrows instead of towns, no more exaggerated noses and eyes>Merfolkgeneric "magical helpful merfolk">Flamekinno longer black (das rascist), no longer shamanic (das rascist)>Dryads (and Treefolk)boring beaters>Boggarts (goblins)boring goblin swarm>Fairiesonly insectile features will be wings and maybe antennae, flash bolt bend/transform.silence effects
>>96748525Friends?
>hearthhull player takes a 20 minute turn>achieves nothing>starts whining when people scoop due to boredom when he starts doing it on his next turnIf you're doing a long ass turn and aren't knocking someone out or meaningfully changing the board state you should cast Path to Exile targeting yourself
>>96748503based retard
building this guy>enabler for power based draw ala souls majesty/rishkars>turns fight cards into removalany tips for building him?
>>96748522They looked at my hand and then all my spaghetti came out.
>>96748565>any tips for building him?don't desu
>>96748322>anime titheYou are my nigga. Slapping that shit down on the table and taxing people with the OHOHOHOHO~ is the best feeling ever.
>>96748585I have both of these too. I don't use them though because they're so annoying.
>>96748590They're fun as fuck to play against randoms just because asking if they pay on every action tilts the fuck out of them.
>>96748590That's exactly why you play them. You have to permanently float 3 mana, and if you don't, I get free shit.
>>96748580But i want toHe is a great enabler for stompy to have removal.
>>96748358It doesn't really matter when you'll find a way to cry victim over it either way
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96748671why
So is sneak supposed to be "fixed" commander ninjutsu?
>>96748511lmao one of my friends tutors this out ASAP just to look at people's hands every turn. He does nothing with that info, but it puts the fear in them thinking he's gonna pull off some 500IQ interdimensional chess bullshit
>>96748678wait holy fuck lmao they're really not gonna give him the actual sais??? I thought it was some tumblr-tier bullshit
>>96748684Sais are cultural appropriation because they come from okinawan colonialism.
>>96748692Yeah! That's the bullshit I'm talking about. His sais are fucking canon and they're changing them because they don't wanna make people mad???
>the store in town that wants to scan every single bulk common
>>96748703>they don't wanna make people madThey're doing it because the cultural consultants were offended and told them to change it. No one would actually be mad.
>>96748738Oh so the same dipshits that have been wrong, or in Wizard's own fucking words, """"missed the mark""""" in the past? Fuck that shit
Yorion bros..... This is what we've been waiting for
>>96748707The hell you on about?
>>96748760they scan every card from their bulk box
'ate UB
https://edhrec.com/top/salt new ratings are in, what're your highest single cards? Highest commanders?>Wake of Destructiononly card on the list for me
>>96748769some commons and uncommons are worth money and some jump in price my guy can't expect every shop owner to have an encyclopedic knowledge of card prices
>>96748738culturally appropriate reprints in the tmnt set?
>>96748796Legitimately shocked they haven't art-banned it like all the other "offensive" art cards
>>96748479nigga MH3 ashling is from less than a year ago
>>96748358Across the board all notions of being evil are gone>ElvesMultiracial, Gay>KithkinMultiracial, Gay>MerfolkUnchanged>FlamekinGay>Dryads (and Treefolk)Gay>Boggarts (goblins)All one skin color(to avoid being problematic) >FairiesUnchanged as they are already gay
>>96748484>game before he literally won by gifts ungiven into cyclonic riftingsurely you pointed out this hypocrisy to your roommate right? surely you're going to tell us his response to this?
>>96748707>>96748769>go to store>general "collectibles" store, real big with magic in the 90s and 00s>semi frequent there, best selection for older stuff>browsing through 10c box>find a small stack of crystal veins>tell him the printings are around 10 CAD now>gives me 4 for 40 cents
I am a johnny. I only like weird strats. I have two weird decks I homebrewed- Zur Cycling (which I later learned is a real archetype but that was after I thought it was clever for "inventing" it)- Codie Donate. 5-color bad gifts, kinda like secret ZedruuThey are both really fun! But I am looking for a new deck strategy ideas that are flexible, powerful, fun, and a unexpected.I have looked into the Ur-Dragon Changelings, but that's kinda basic and obvious.
>>96748848Win with this
>>96748773Should I presume that you drafted Spiderman and will also draft ATLA?
https://moxfield.com/decks/ksLxnUYibkOfDdRUBTHfmAthoughts?
>>96748890> he actually built itBased anon, based
>>96748890>spidershit
>>96748890based and hilarious
>>96748894would you prefer kamenshit
>>96748910It is against the law to hate on Kamen Rider so I instead call you boring for playing snauras
>>9674889036 lands is far too many thoughever.Cut two lands and add some decent draw cards or something.Tbh your draw power is already decent
>>96748878no
>>96748879Why would you presume that someone drafts in the edh thread?
>>96748890Bro get this DOGSHIT out of your deck right NOW
>>96748942Because hes complaining that UB players 'skip' sets when its quite obvious thats what he doesAlso why wouldnt edh players draft? I draft, its fun.Real TQ:Who here drafts?
>>96748951it's good thoughbeit
>>96748955sometimesone a month, depending on what set it is
>>96748955>Because hes complaining that UB players 'skip' sets when its quite obvious thats what he doesAre you retarded, anon? His point is that defending UB means defending a status quo in which people regularly have to skip sets they wouldn't have if they were real magic sets.
>>96748955>Because hes complaining that UB players 'skip' sets when its quite obvious thats what he doesAmerican education system in action, folks. This is the sort of tard you're facing against at your LGS.
>>96748678It's shallower Ninjutsu. You can't return cards to your hand after they've dealt damage and you can't do it in response to removal. The wording is more generic though, so it's probably going to see use in future UB sets that don't have ninjas to let cards do ninja things. That all being said, I wish they'd just errataed the effect "Ninjutsu" to "Sneak" so we don't have more keyword bloat.
>>96749012>teenage mutant NINJA turtles>they dont have ninjitsuwotc isn't even trying with this shit
>>96749019every set MUST have new mechanics
>>96749019wotc's wanted to make a set-agnostic ninjutsu for a long time, and a TMNT set could've been a great time to experiment with it but uh, it should've been ninjutsu on creatures and sneak on noncreatures
>>96749019teenage mutant SNEAK turtles
>>96749028> set-agnostic ninjutsu self-inflicted problem, just rename it
>>96748590The Rhystic Study doesn't look that "bad" for the anime tales. The only one that goes well with magic art is the blood moon.
>>96749045Blood Moon is mass land denial. Automatically bracket 4.
>>96748986Thats not what his caricature of a UB enjoyer was portraying. Maybe he should have made your point since that would have been a better one
>>96749036nigga all of mtg's problems are self-inflicted but renaming a mechanic is not a good solution and you know it. also, ninjutsu is a creature ability and not something you can use for noncreature spells like sneak
>>96748951Love this shit in my control deck. My blockers get beefier, and I know who to save interaction for every turn cycle.
I should make a cunny proxy
>>96749047Is propaganda MLD?
>>96749047Not if you don't have a greedy mana base and got basics.
>>96748678It's just ninjutsu by another name isn't it? We haven't seen any creatures with it just yet I think.
>>96748773this is modified from a cariacture of someone who tells you to take a break from bashing your face against a souls boss. surprisingly, this image is no less full of impotent seethe, you usually dont get that with altered pics
>>96749083ninjutsu is a creature ability, not a keyword
>>96749088Yes and this is effectively just that effect but now on things that aren't just creatures.
>post cards that you just don't getThis guy. Can someone tell me what kind of deck wants to be paying 6 mana to get +4 on some creature, and then pay a RW to cast a free instant under 4 in red and white? And then if you want to use it again, you have to pay another 5 mana to equip and use it again. Like what in the 4 or less instant spell are you getting to make this thing worth that kind of mana? It just seems retarded.
>>96749061don't be gross
>>96749083Leonardo has it
>>96749116It was played ten years ago when games were much slower. It just aged badly.
>>96749116You only run it in something that can cheat the equip cost.
>>96749116permanents back then were a lot worse
>>96749130Im gonna be gross anon sorry
>>96748769Yeah, you put your whole collection online so people can find what they’re looking for and actually bother buying bulk from you.What’s the alternative? You leave it unsorted in a box and never fucking get rid of it?
>>96748511Needs a reprint, so does Telepathy
The year is 2035. You enter your local gaming store. Will they still play EDH? What does the game look like? Will your 2025 decks still work? What do the players at the store be like?
>>96749136Oh, that he does. So it's the generic version of ninjutsu that's open to noncreatures too. I guess so they can have support for sneak without having to worry about how it would interact with ninjutsu in this set.
>>96749151How gross?
>>96749178enough
>>96749184Post it when you're done. I want to see how you frame the grossness.
This is one of my pet cards. If I can play it, I usually do. I really want a foil one, but not for $50.
>>96748692>>96748703>>96748738Actual retards trying to find reasons to seetheThey used jitte instead of sai for Kamigawa because Kamigawa is based on mainland Japan which didn't have sai, and depicting Okinawan culture as mainland Japanese could be theoretically seen as weeb colonialism (as if anyone actually gives a shit but the OG Kamigawa was autistically well researched)Raphael not only isn't Japanese but also changing his sai to jitte would be MORE culturally insensitive because he dual-wields when only sai are traditionally dual-wielded and jitte are either alone or in the offhand, and it would be far more likely that they made the change because Magic is pretty much the only major IP that actually uses jitte over saiThink for two seconds instead of having thinner skin than the average twitter troon
>>96749161I'm gonna gues by 2035 either 2 scenarios went down 1. Hasbro milked MTG into the ground and destroyed standard & modern with 10 sets a year and sold off WOTC to whoever so game stores revert back to old school gatekeeping neckbeards2. the game just keeps printing money cause piggies can't get enough and game stores look like pokemon costco fights cause everyone is trying to scalp the new Fast & the furious UB collab for 1/1 serialized vin Diesels foreskin card
>>96748759I wish too, but hate the art. Will keep Sakashima instead
>>96749193https://litter.catbox.moe/ubfy97ug1rbguy4e.pngFeel like it could be better
>>96749199>Kamigawa is based on mainland Japan which didn't have sai, and depicting Okinawan culture as mainland Japanese could be theoretically seen as weeb colonialismExcept:1. Japan did have the sai and no one region can lay claim to the existence of a weapon just because it originated there2. It’s arguably more disrespectful to those people to remove their cultural contribution to the world because Japs raped them once upon a time >it would be far more likely that they made the change because Magic is pretty much the only major IP that actually uses jitte over saiYou don’t sign off on changing something iconic about your character just because the people depicting your IP prefer it.I guarantee you complying with WotC cultural sensitivity policy was the reason it was changed>Think for two seconds instead of having thinner skin than the average twitter troon>there, I said troon! So I can’t be a leftist right?I genuinely don’t get how all the leftists on the Internet plau from this same playbook, you all collectively scatter like fucking roaches when your ideology comes under scrutiny.How hard is it for you to say:>yeah, I’m a leftist. WotC are leftists. WotC clearly made this change because of their leftist advisors and leftist ideology, this is a big win for me and my beliefsInstead, every fucking time youre like>THATS NOT HAPPENING! YOU HAVE NO PROOF!! WHO’S THE REAL SNOWFLAKE NOW HUH? YOURE CRAZY FOR SAYING 2+2=4
>>96749246Was there an option to add a background behind the text? Even a slight white transparent rectangle could help with readability. Or white outline. Besides that it's fine. Perhaps a little too zoomed in. Could be fun to do something funny with the Spider-Man logo placement.
>>96749199>muh cultural appropriation>muh respectSais are canon and changing them is the height of retardation.>mentioning KamigawaTMNT isn't Kamigawa. It's its own IP. With its own canon. No one fucking cares about anything else.
>>96749259yeah I can do better, I just started doing the proxies literally today so when I'll get better and make premium cunny cards
https://moxfield.com/decks/CIwhANV5nEqFSpVdwRIY6Qworking on a budget Awaken deck (abdel is the wincon because I'm lame)
>>96749270wait wtf why did they replace the sais??
>>96749278Good luck on that cunny anon. I assume you're going for the whole deck in this theme?
>>96749300Because "they come from a region that Japan colonized and it reminds people how evil colonizing is". That's literally it
>>96749300
>>96749310this set had potential but Black april and no sais is making this set look like ass
>>96749309Yes, but I don't know who'd I use as a commander
>the pedophiles are openly talking about being attracted to children again
>>96749195Wasn't this reprinted in DMR? Can't be more than a 50 cent foil from that set, even in retro printing
>>96749340$0.50 for a foil one, but OG foils are OG foils
>>96749270They're jitte instead of sai because MTG usually has jitteIf you have a problem with that go bitch at Viacom
Race swapping characters is honestly more offensive to me than not including POC in media. It's like getting hand me down characters cause whoever is race swapping is too fucking lazy to make an actual well written character who just so happens to be black. I wanted my white redhead queen but now I got live action little mermaid.
>>96749325>Black aprilDude that's canon too. She started as a black scientist working under another black head scientist. The perm is also canon. The "hacktivist" title is straight cringe though
>>96749398>It's like getting hand me down characters cause whoever is race swapping is too fucking lazy to make an actual well written character who just so happens to be blackyeah uh: >>96749401
>>96749394You know this to be untrue, you say it anywayWhy not just be honest and admit that WotC changed it for cultural sensitivity reasons and you either don’t care or actively approve
>>96749409>Why not just [say retarded shit]Because unlike you I am not a retard
>>96749401>>96749406Probably that she is black there. What is your basis for saying so? Curly hair? Perms exist. You can see from the shell in that very frame that if the artists want to depict something as dark they have a midtone, a shadow and a highlight. So why is April’s skin only highlight and shadow with no midtone?
>>96749411Concession accepted, leftroach
>>96749406>>96749401Read the comic retards. there's literally a scene where april talks to a black man and it's obvious she's supposed to be white woman with a perm.
>>96749415Good luck retard
>>96749413>What is your basis for saying so?My basis is that she's literally black in the original comics, because she was based on an Afro-latina woman one of the creators used to date. And yes I'm a giant fucking nerd with no life that knows dumb shit like this
>>96748484I've yet to meet a Commander player that doesn't get asshurt when their deck isn't the most broken shit at the table. They get their shit interrupted even slightly and it's just "well I better scoop". I had a Voltron player scoop because I hit all his equipment with a Pest Infestation. Like, no shit I'm going to target the fucking gimmick of you deck, man. They're all about having fun until your fun interferes with theirs in any capacity.
>>96749439O’Niell isn’t a very black name, I’m afraid I just don’t see it anon
>>96749452I have a realllll budget ass ~$25 control Saint Traft deck and my friend has this ~$800 bracket 4+ deck that I completely shut down every time. Tries to tutor? Okay counter spell. Tries to cast one of his infinites? Okay counterspell again lol. I'm just sitting here Haystacking my 4/4 angels so they stick around longer and he tries to boardwipe? Lol okay counterspell again. I've never seen anyone get so fucking mad
>>96749479Yeah I ain't got shit for that, honestly.
>>96749484Got a list? And do you play Teferi's Veil?
>>96749484My only boardwipe basically is PI, lmao. He's spent hundreds on it and I'm just cracking packs and making trades. My most expensive card is only $25 - Vaultborn Tyrant.
>>96749499Not on this computer but it's literally just like 20 counterspells, 15 enchantment removals, and a ton of flying defenders like Fog Bank, Hover Barrier, Guard Gomazoa. There's some equipments/auras that will also make 4/4 angels n shit when he attacks, so sometimes I'll get 3-4 4/4s going at a time
>>96749439She's white in the first few issues and that's all that matters. Retcons are retcons no matter who does them.
>>96749518If not just add it, it is a cheap card. You order that the veil trigger first, phasing the token. So they stay.
>>96749527Ya I understand it. It'd be a good backup if I don't draw Haystack
>>96749527Actually I don't think so, because it enters after declare attackers. Sorry anon, thought it could work.
>>96749518I was interested in your list as well and told AI to recreate the deck list from your description. It made a 107 card deck that costs $75 deck with enchantment symmetry. Goddamn stupid robots.
>>96749394Since when does wotc modify UB to match mtg?? They don't.They do modify mtg to please cultist consultants tho (tarkir)
>>96749569>please cultist consultants tho (tarkir)Don't forget renaming Kaladesh:>Here's what our consultants said. When we created the original Kaladesh set, we chose the word "kala-" (kalā, kah-LAH) as a word that can mean "tomorrow" or "art," combined with "-desh," meaning "home" or "country." Unfortunately, the term "kala" (kālā, KAH-lah) can also be associated with the meaning "black," and often carries derogatory colorist and racist connotations when applied to a person.So fucking retarded. "This one word has multiple meanings and one is bad so we had to change everything". Jfc.
>>96748848please respond
>>96749583>>96748848Saskia ball lightning tribal with lots of mass reanimate to keep throwing them at people
>>96749569So you're saying they're not allowed to modify UB IPs because of the licensing, except in this case where they're allowed to modify the UB IP because they want to make it more racist Am I reading you correctly?
Red chads, why do we spend 2 cards and 4 mana to earn 2 cards and 2 mana?
>>96749590>allowedNo one said this word, schizo
>>96749603You're right, I forgot they made Terra and Celes brazilian
>>96749601Because you copy/conspire the spell and get 4 mana and four cards instead.
>>96749607>The Dúnedain were lords of long life, great power, and wisdom; far superior to the Men of Middle-earth among whom they dwelt and whom they ruled.>hey were from the beginning far fewer in number than the lesser men.>They were tall, pale-skinned, with dark hair, shining grey eyes, and proud faces.
>>96749601So we can get 1/1 counters, treasures, and damage while cycling through cards.
>>96749616So they DO modify UB?
https://moxfield.com/decks/6iZU9YicqkyRrt5kb8-7NQthots on erinis?
>>96749618wotc is quick to modify the IP they're borrowing to suit their liberal tastes as long as the owner doesn't care (viacom) or actively encourages it (tolkien estate)
>>96749625How does making a culturally appropriate usage of sai into a culturally inaccurate usage of jitte suit anyone's "liberal tastes"? If sai are so immoral and offensive that they have to modify someone else's IP to remove them, why haven't Stratus Dancer and Sai of the Shinobi joined the "moral standards" list like Pradesh Gypsies, Crusade, Stone-Throwing Devils, etc.? Have you considered that you're just a niggerfaggot looking for things to cry about?
So it looks like this thing sold out in about an hour. Is there really that many Jaws fans or did Wizards not have confidence in this and only print a few of them?
>>96748322congrats, you built the most generic edhrec list for the number one built commander on the site.
>>96748585Holy fucking oink. Not even the confetti foils? fucking brokie
>>96749673Holy shit I just realized he's mono red card. A mono red card where over half the card is blue water.
>>96749401Hacktivist is still not as bad as adorkable being on a magic card
>>96748585I use the Spongebob tithe because it's better at getting a reaction.
>>96748585>bought the tithe off a friend>nearly doubled in price since theni don't know whether to feel bad
>>96749719why does this matter aside from your autism?
>>96749794It doesn't matter, because it's not a real Magic card. Good call.
why is it draw all lands or no lands and nothing in between FACT TRUTH NUKE
>>96748542I play spesship and worry people will think this about me cause my turns take a while so i goldfish the deck before a sesh to make sure i am speedy
>>96749761I sold a Savannah and Tropical Island to my LGS for $200 aud each around a decade ago to buy weed
You ever have that moment when you realize that you own the perfect card to go in your deck, and then realize that you have no fucking clue where it is?
>>96748511>convoluted volatic line to look at each opponents hand end of their draw steps
>>96749859only once but I think I just traded it and didn't update my collection info
>>96748511In what possible shell??
>>96749884nta but I see it in Marchesa lists a lot
>>96749881Fuck, I might just have to start up a spreadsheet and record the actual box each worthwhile rare is in.
>>96749859No, because I put every goddamn card I own into binders and sorted them by color and type.
>>96749892Even the chaff?
>>96749903I give the chaff away. I rather order a 10 cent again than sorting through boxes.
>>96748565Fight cards are normally removal.>>96749884It's a generically useful effect with little investment. Not walking into rakes is a perfectly good use case.
Maybe I should just play gruul and turn creatures left and stop trying to make interesting decks
>>96749891I just used an app that has a scanner. way faster when you have a decent light/camera setup
>>96749327I've been wanting to do the same for a while but never found a commander with enough support to carry the theme. Maybe Macready for small creature support, or Child of Alara for a five color cunny flavor pile. Unfortunately there's not enough cunny support for a smooth deck, yet at least. Maybe UB or more anime art will give cunnychads the deck they deserve.Keep us updated with ideas or developments~
>>96750006Let me guess, interesting to you means you taking 10 minute turns where you flicker your stuff or ramp or tap and untap artifacts while everybody else has to watch?
>>96749439>in the original comicsthis has been disproven multiple times. stop spreading misinformation
>>96749401>started as a blackuntrue. not the first volume
>>96750050Caesar. Have a bald old man that "sacrifices" them in charge of the deck.
>>96749822Because you don't run enough card draw
>>96750006Erinis/Street Urchin deathtouch ping control landfall.It's absolutely AIDS, but it performs best against other landfall decks, since you can just machine gun their Aesi and Seedborn engines into oblivion.
Wish there was a better version of her.
>>96750343Why? She has SOUL
>>96750357I rather have useful SOUL
>>96750343there is, he is called krrik
>>96749822You don't run enough card draw and you definitely don't run enough mana fixing. Once I stopped being a stupid baby who thought decks without instant speed card draw could be good, my decks never fail to bring me the land I need. Hell, I discard lands a lot just because I have too many.
>>96750343>>96750374it should be pretty easy to create some sort of casting loop and swing for lethal with either of them
>>96748479Wow the top looks some much fucking better
>>96749401Oh we still doing this shit with retards who never knew of TMNT outside of an arcade game? This seems like a waste of time.
>>96749673It's so weird how out of touch this site is with wider pop culture.
Can't wait to roll up to the table with this guy. Never even see the Office. Was this guy even a big deal in it? All I ever knew about the show is it had that ex-daily show guy.
>>96750496I weep for you zoomie digital abominations are all youve ever known.
>>96748307Welcome to deck building post 2013.Every commander is solved before it even reaches your hands - not by other people just by the fact there's an objectively correct list of cards for it. Commanders used to be open ended and vague with multiple build routes. Now? Just ability slop.
>>96750517See how many arguments you can get into over the Walking Ballista combo for maximum effect.
>>96748307>I BUILT A PRECON COMMANDER AND SHOCKINGLY MY DECK ENDED UP LOOKING LIKE THE PRECONWhat a surprise! Honest you might be retarded if you expected a different outcome.
>>96750523I am sorry mr. Boomer. Technology exists and no one cares about the beatles anymore.
>>967505381. People do still care about the Beatles.2. You have a completely asinine view of art. People still make charcoal drawings, "more advanced" application doesnt make for better art. Technology has absolutely no bearing on its quality.You are very dumb im afraid to tell you
I'm looking for suggestions on how to build a deck around this guy? What I'm going for is the theme *All offense, all the time*. How should I build around this theme in a way that doesnt take foreever to get going?
>>96750517I wouldn’t really care, I’d probably say the office is gay as fuck if it was one of my homies but if it’s a random id probably keep my mouth shut. I run a Garry the snail deck so I don’t really care too much.
>>96750517Troll post
What are some good cards that recur from graveyard to hand with mininmal investment to fuel spellshapers? I could only really think of Squee and Reach of Branches.
>>96750549>1. People do still care about the Beatles.lolololol
>>96748285Its literally the only thing keeping the format aliveHighlander formats always devolve into 4c goodstuff piles and edh is not immune to that
>>9675055950/50I did buy it and plan to use it in a deck.I posted that I would because I knew it'd annoy someoneSo it is both truth but also meant to anger you.
>>96750589I mean it's not even highlander it's the fact that enormous life totals force the game to go long so the miniscule drawbacks of a 5c manabase become nonexistent.
>>96750496Contrarian
>>96748336You are right and just proved anon's pount
>>96750596NPC
>>96748322
>>96750590It just made me chuckle instead
>>96749673This art is really nice.
>>96748479>"No curves tranny slop">post the og ashlings where she's also flat>post the MH3 art that's clearly digitally renderedDo you have brain damage?>>96750549>Technology has absolutely no bearing on its quality.Okay this is true but the only thing you've cited is that the new stuff is digitally rendered and offends your fragile sensibilities by being "woke." There's a lot of bad stuff WotC artists put out these days but they're not bad by merit of being digitally rendered, like wonky 90s magic cards that look ugly aren't bad by merit of being painted.
>>96748307If I were you Id keep brewing it, id take the similarity to a precon as an indicator that there is much work to be doneI am also a chronic accidental reverse engineer, not so much in edh but its still funny when it happens
>>96749673Iron Maiden ones sold out faster than those. Are there that many fans in MTG of a 45+ year old metal band?
>>96750593Be that as it may canadian/eu/duel/au highlander all have/had (i think recent pushed red cards might have impacted these formats, haven't checked) a 4c problem So even if you took the life totals down you will run into the same issue
>>96750627Dude its Iron maiden of course it was going to sell
>>96750587Anon I dont even personally like them so your "trolling" is wasted. Abbey Road was literally on billboard charts LAST YEAR anon, albeit 55 but there are a TON of albums released every year, for the Beatles to be number 55 100 years later speaks to their staying power.
>>96750619>okay this is trueThank you. Nothing else you said applies to me. Stop being a fag lmao
>>96749673Mtg players, especially those who shit on edh for encouraging UB/SL slop, significantly underestimate the demand for stuff like this from other collector communities Didnt the chuckie/slasher ones sell out quick too?
>>96749394>Go bitch at Viacom for a change WotC made!Huh?
>>96750627My group had an infight yesterday about people telling the wrong time the sale would be up so they could get first and it's the same people who bash UB stuff. So, yes, quite a lot.
>>96748511I run this in eggman it's always funny how paranoid people get
>>96750658>"Ah you agreed with me">"however I will ignore everything else you said and will not confront my hypocrisy"who's fagging who anon?
>>96748542I have my turn ready by the time it gets around to me. I cannot understand how my friends take 30 minutes to take a fucking turn
>>96750050Macready and Child of Alara sound like a good choice, I think
>>96749270May want to ask Nickelodeon why they wanted that then.The IP holder has the ultimate say in any art here. You retards constantly imply WOTC is somehow forcing art changes. Every piece of art has to be submitted to the IP holder by the artist. If the IP holder does not like it then it ain't fucking happening and we've had artists talk about having to make changes at the demand of an IP holder.Add in any real people and you also need that person's thumbs up as well.If they changed Sai's then it's because Nick wanted them to and liked it. Maro didn't run up top Viacom and make demands. Same shit with le Black Aragorn in LOTR. None of this shit gets to the card without the IP owner agreeing with it.
>>96750601Meant for >>96750496
>They gave Mikey stupid nunchaku shit instead of his grappling hook he had in the cartoonHurrr need to have DEI asian weapons and not the accurate ones.
>>96750743>If they changed Sai's then it's because Nick wanted them to and liked itNTA, but I like how the "liked it" acknowledges that this is a WotC change, despite what you keep trying to say.The sheet probably got sent to some intern/wagie that didn't give too much of a shit since they had to review hundreds of card arts.
>>96748542>person who has nothing to do but is afraid to pass because they may be missing something they could doI have gotten very close to just asking these people if I can see their hand so I can just figure it out for them and we can get this fucking show back on the road.
>>96749673It’s a limited run print, scalping retards will always buy Secret Lairs on the off-chance once goes crazy in value down the line
>>96750761huh? I always remember him having nunchucks
>>96750859They changed it later on in the show because "nunchaku are dangerous" or some shit. So he lost it and got a retarded grappling hook.TMNT got hit by censorship sometimes. They couldn't even use "NINJA" in Bong-land.
>>96749651>doesn't address aragorn because the libtard knows he'll lose there>deflects insteadkekw them not caring enough to make a fuss about retconning weapons doesn't mean the morons working at renton wa don't have liberal tastesreminder that the obscura in new capenna were meant to be police officers but they were changed to lawyers last minute because of blm
>love building cascade decks>built a First Sliver deck recently>EVERYTHING cascades>friends refuse to play with me because "it takes too long to finish your turn"Who is in the wrong here?
>>96750717Again, none of that applies to me anon. You should use your brain and figure out why that could be instead of persisting.
>>96750524>wahh my solved formatbut enough about 60 cards being solved back in 1999
>>96750761Mike has alwyas had nunchuks you retarded zoomie lmfao
>>96750876based cultist.
>>96750899(You) lost btw
>>96750902Actually I won.
>>96750908>self-inserting as thoracleeven the libtards can't help but imitate chud behavior
>>96750918>self insertingAre you ok? I just played a card that says I win
>>96750892>alwaysThis is false. I just saved your ass if you ever get these questions in trivial pursuit
>>96750876>because of BLMSo what happened here to demand the change?
>>96748986How is this different from me having to skip Atherdrift or Theros?
>>96750930sure whatever you say lol
>>96750935??
>>96750743>If the IP holder does not like it then it ain't fucking happening and we've had artists talk about having to make changes at the demand of an IP holder.Non sequitur argument. Yes, artists have had to change their work for an IP, but a corporate mandate from WotC would not be the same talk.How it would likely have happened is that WotC made the guideline, submitted the art, then if Viacom didn't like the art, WotC would cite the guideline. Viacom has two choices then, either to pull out of the deal and cut the loss, or approve of what's on their end a minor change and continue.There probably was no deep thought put into Viacom's approval other than "this will get product out the door faster." If there was, maybe someone would have looked at the Rystic Study Spongebob version and realized "wait, the original context of this screencap isn't our character mocking anyone like the meme in any way and doesn't match the card effect." They didn't, because they put their trust in WotC to make a targeted product and didn't care enough to step in since it wasn't that damaging to their brand.>TolkienIf the Tolkien estate gave a shit about quality control, do you think that Gollum would have released?
>>96750761This is bait
>>96750937libtards living in gated communites think police are bad because a black drug addict died therefore the profession can't grace a children's card game
>>96750948You're confusing always with originally.ORIGINALLY he had the stupid sticks. The the British whined about it when the show came over and it got changed to "the turtle line" which is just a retarded grappling hook with a shell. Eventually he went back to the stupid sticks but he did use the line in other media for a while. And still uses it sometimes as like a ranged weapon.
>>96749116I don't get what is so mind breakingly complicated here
What's the most recognizable and iconic set icon would you guys say? I'm thinking it might be Urza's Saga.
>>96750968>>96750761Are you trying to reverse the "black April" argument, or are you just hyperautism about one depiction of the character.
>>96750959Everything is bait because everything is posted with the intent that someone will reply.
>>96750555You have green for ramp and black for tutors, you can get what you want pretty quickly. I have a Thantis deck that's spider tribal (no spiderman) I can give recs. How hard do you want everyone else to swing out?Dolmen Gate will keep your shit alive while it attacks every turn.Black pillow fort effects (revenge of ravens, no mercy) discourage opponents from swinging into you so they swing elsewhere. This has some skornegy with Thantis but it's been fine for me. Crawlspace also limits how many players can throw a hissy fit about how they have to attack with their creatures instead of value circusing out if their minds. On theme for spiders.Royal assassin is lulzy in Thantis, so is reaper of the abyss. Trove of temptation forces people to throw a creature into the spider pit which earns a morbid trigger, and it ramps, morbid triggers are great.Bow of Nylea+Rancor makes Thantis a murder machine. He will kill players.There's an asston of forced combat effects in red, pick your favorite redundancy. I play jund in response to games that drag ass, good luck anon.
>>96750986None. I don't consider any of them iconic. Unless you count the shooting star. That is objectively the most iconic.
>>96750885>"That's not my position">"No I will not elaborate on how my position is different from what you stated but you should try and figure it out"I'm sure you felt very smart when this worked in special ed
>>96750945>skipped theroswell for one people skipping UB sets aren't massively gay like you
>>96750968No he has always had them.
>>96748942>Why would you presume that someone drafts in the edh thread?because the people that whine about UB are more often than not drafters and drafters will always and forever be the biggest paypigs for wotc, far more than singles buyers will ever be
>>96751052Why do you keep persisting? The ONLY thing I said is I feel bad for zoomies only having digital art. Give it a rest you unhinged retard.
>>96751056If I was gay I'd be all into the set based on a culture that loved fucking each other in the ass.
>>96751070>le gayreeks xD
>>96751066Most of the UB haters don't buy any product or even play.
>>96742488Damn, you got me. Love playing that one. Like an actual parry you have to time it just right for devestating damage. I think it's flavor is better than the original.
>>96749673This is what's floating around for the quantities
>>96751116You're basically arguing UB drove people away
>>96749794>why does flavour matterNot beating the slop-eater allegations
>>96751299Card color needing to match art color is objectively ANTI flavor you fucking retard and the strict adherence to, is a very modern art direction by wotc.
>>96749794NTA, but that's a retarded shaming attempt.The whole point of them using such heavy saturation in their arts before was so that, at a glance from across the table, you could tell what color a card is. It's a shark. It's in the water. It's art is blue. Therefore, if someone saw it in a game under control of a R/U/x player, it would be entirely understandable for them to assume it's blue if they aren't committing this retarded exception to memory. That matters because this game has cards like Red Elemental Blast.
>>96751287No, I'm not.
>order cards>they get captured by customs>USPS says the sender has to pay>seller won't respond>USPS says if they don't hear from the sender, the package becomes theirsFUCKING SHIT WHY DID THE ORANGE MAN EVEN MAKE THIS A RULE WHAT THE FUCK
>>96751327If slop-haters aren't buying product, but they know about the game, then is it not fair to assume that at one point they bought product, but didn't?
>>96750357no, you see she has to be do thing draw card!
>>96751322This is a modern decision to help RETARDS like you. And its always been a retarded decision.
>>96751314to be clear I'm not the anon you originally responded to, but making a fucking SHARK a monored creature is absolutely retarded antiflavourAnd it's less about colour and more about the fact that the art is a fucking shark in the sea, which is about as far from red as it gets
>>96751328When I got fucked by the orange man tax I was told by the delivering company that they paid the customs and either I now needed to reimburse them or they'd send my shit back to the sellerI hope your cost wasn't over twice the cost ov the item like mine.
>>96751340I dont think you understand what flavor means in the context of magic and I have no interest in this conversation.
>>96751340We already had red sharks in aethershit. What is blue about a rampaging angry serial killing animal?
>>96751354A) those were men with shark heads. not literal sea creaturesB) retarded hat-set nonsense doesn't help you if you're trying to argue this decision wasn't retardedC) murderous sea creatures were always blue (and sometimes green)
>>96750992Thanks for the help!>How hard do you want everyone else to swing out?I want everyone swinging out asap. I'm kinda torn on crawlspace because on the one hand I want people swining at me to make Thantis huge, but on the other hand I dont want to get knocked out 1 turn later.Would Wars toll be a good include?
>>96751338You're being disingenuous. Everything about the card's flavor and art screams it should be blue, and the only printing of it we will ever see is in a limited-run product line that fucks with borders all the time. It's entirely reasonable for people a few years or even months from now to forget that this card isn't blue when it fades from the immediate player consciousness, especially given how many other SL frame exceptions that will have released since then that you're also expecting everyone to remember.I'm not going to trip up this. I'm going to remember it because I hate treasures (so take your gay little headcanon and shove it up your insecure asshole). I also suspect that if I did want to play it, or some pig at my LGS does, there's going to be that unfun moment where someone trips up and makes a color-hate play, only to get corrected, because literally nobody in their right mind is even going to look at a card that's a blue shark in blue water and think "huh, this isn't blue/water, this is obviously red/fire!" Even if they glance at it for the first time as it's cast, everything about how we've been conditioned to look at cards is going to hang at the back of their mind, and it wouldn't be unreasonable or unexpected for those people to forget the exception. It's going to happen in some groups, and it's not going to be fun since it's a betrayal of player conditioning all for a gimmick.Kill yourself.
>>96749719>A mono red card where over half the card is blue water.oh no, a mono blue card where over half the card is red, the horrorhow new retard?
>>96751328>>order cardsThere's your problem. Hunting for cards IRL solves so many problems with EDH it's not even funny, not the least of which are related to shipping.
>>96751434>got caught>oh fuck what do i do>ok i'll just whine about SL borders insteadthen open up with that at the start instead of whining why blue sharks are red nigger bwahahaha
>>96751434>youre being disingenuousNo im not. Im disagreeing with you. Art does not dictate color, this has literally been a complaint by the community for over a decade now.>everything about the cards flavorNothing about the cards flavor suggests blue.>and artArt =/= mechanical color.Won't be repeating myself any more because its obvious you have only been playing magic a few years.
>>96751351>>96751314I can see why you don't want to talk
>>96751370I'd be made if Jaws was blue because it makes no sense.
>>96751458Fuck that shit there should be no import fees for things under $1000.
>>96751468Genuinely curious as to what you think youre proving here anon
>>96751473i know talking to people irl is hard but supporting your local reseller is better for you long term
>>96751434Card has already been confirmed to be in an upcoming set that is in production. It was their excuse for not giving WPN stores any copies of it like they apparently do for other unique lairs.
>>96751434>red/firetourist moment
>>96751473The other side to hunting cards IRL is that you don't just end up with a complete deck all at once and you get to see all sorts of options you probably wouldn't have considered. You also get to talk to the clerks and sometimes even pick up signed (damaged) cards for cheap. I cannot recommend this method highly enough.
>>96751443You would maybe have a point if FoW wasn't originally meant to be a red card, didn't use the standard blue frame for over half of the space, and was a creature is depicted wasn't so heavily associated with the same thing as the element in the mana symbol people (in this case you) are assuming it would be.
>been playing since 2015>only now just realized how much I hate the 2015 bordernew default border when?
>>96751478Sharks are blue, retard. Including the shark card that was a Jaws reference.>But Jaws-Is a big shark. He should be UR.
>>96751508>uhhh but it was supposed to be a red card!!as if repurposing art was never done since the beginning of the damn gameyou really are a fucking insufferable newfag, get lost
>>96751467>Nothing about the cards flavor suggests blue.It's a shark. Sharks are blue. They have always been blue. At no point in time has a shark in magic the gathering ever not been blue (or green). No, aetherdrift anthroshit does not count.
>>96751518Art color =/= mechanical color. The only people who hold this view are underage and/or new players.>>96751467Btfo
>>96751530>Art color =/= mechanical colorCreature type is a mechanic. Sharks are a blue creature type.
>>96751524>not been blueExcept when they are Azorius or Simic right? Or mono red with jaws? Or aetherdrift (which you cant negate just cause you want to)
>>96751490You're a little bitch looking for an out to get away from the fact that you are making a retarded argument.Red mana is associated with fire. Blue mana is associated with water. That dichotomy is engraved in Magic and society at large. That's why we have so many direct color-hate cards associated with that pair, I'd be willing to bet more than any other enemy color pairing outside of W/B, maybe.
>>96751524>It's a black person. Black persons are black. They have always been black.
>>96751535>an entire creature type should be hard locked to one color
Shocklands confirmed for Lorwyn?
Eriette, my beloved...
I for one think Jaws is red because he makes blood tokens
>>96751524>(or green)lmao had to throw in a lifesaver for your own shitpost >>96751550They already revealed them all, two arts
>>96751535Creature types are not and literally never have been relegated to a single color. You are new and/or underaged
>>96751558>They already revealed them all, two artsdope, I actually really like the art on this one.
>>96751575this is gonna be considered antisemetic soon
>>96751535Birds are what color again?
>>96751568That's true for some but can you show an ocean creature in WBRG color identity for evidence?
>>96751523>I'm not retarded, you're a newfag! See, this early card proves my point!Let me repeat, FoW was ENTIRELY meant to be a red card, and WotC didn't have the artistic pull at the time to enforce an art direction. AND you still haven't addressed the issue that the borders of those cards are still overwhelmingly the same color as their color identity.
>>96751577Is there a happy merchant hiding in the art somewhere?
>>96751530>Mechanical identityAside from the fact that it's a shark, so it being a shark tribal commander is out of the question... why? The same people making the color decide what effects the card has. They could have slapped some throwaway keywords on it to make it blie.
>>96751543You type a lot about a game you don't play
>>96751588>the retarded newfag is still goinglmao>WotC didn't have the artistic pull at the time to enforce an art directionthey've always had that ability retard>AND you still haven't addressed the issue that the borders of those cards are still overwhelmingly the same color as their color identity.you're just whining about SL borders, which is an entirely different point from your retarded take that sharks must always be blue kekw
>>96751542>They've never not been blue>>OH YEAH WELL WHAT ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE BLUE AND ANOTHER COLOR!?!
>>96751542Anon, azorius and simic creatures are blue creatures. And yes I can absolutely say that aetherdrift is not a real magic set.>>96751558>lmao had to throw in a lifesaver for your own shitpostThere's literally one (1) monogreen shark and it has legs (and is simic lorewise though not by colour).>>96751568>literally never have been relegated to a single color.No nonblue fish before 1999, and it wasn't until 2015 that they printed a second nonblue fish (2018 if you want a second nonblue nonartifact fish).
>>96751530Most of the examples of colorshifting or colorsharing tribes come from plane specific sets not from secret lairs. It makes much less sense that jaws is red than merfolk on ixalan have green in their identity.
Here's your WUBRG shark bros
>>96751621>>96751545
>>96747355Oh.
>>96751624>a chimeraI guess you are technically correct but you know that's not really what people are talking about.
>>96751524>(or green)I'd argue Battering Krasis is the exception that proves the rule, since the whole flavor behind that is that it's bioengineers taking a fish head and putting it on a beast's body. It's a deliberate inversion.>>96751584Birds are everywhere above sea level you dumb fuck. You really think you're going to go up on the Alpines and see a fucking hammerhead just floating around?
>>96751585Jaws :)>>96751599>they could haveBut they didn't instead they gave us a red card mechanically.>>96751621>>96751624Azorius cards are azorius. Not white and blue. They are Whiteblue. Dont talk about the game if you dont fucking understand it
>>96751282Didn't think we got these numbers. Interesting. That one artist series that had Demonic Tutor sold out immediately and the Iron Maiden which had some pricey reprints did too so presumably it was value focused first and then novelty with Jaws.
>>96751672>But they didn't instead they gave us a red card mechanically.yes that's the problem, holy shit anon.
>>96751654>I'd argue Jaws is the exception that proves the rule, since the whole flavor behind that is that it's UB and so anything goes, it's a deliberate inversion.
>>96751654>You really think you're going to go up on the Alpines and see a fucking hammerhead just floating around?yes
I was actually kinda tempted to get the jaws SL has playing edh for 10 years made me bisexual?
>>96751524This is even more retarded and restrictive than "ALL BAD GUYZ ARE BLACK MANA"Jaws is a specific shark. He is an ornery mother fucker who has a penchant for serial killing humans and behaves very much not like a normal shark would. Your issue is you are treating JAWS as a generic shark and not as the character of the shark.
>>96751672Report for remedial magic lessons, dunce. Multicoloured spells are each of their colours ruleswise- an azorius card is both white AND blue. Red Elemental Blast will counter your Soulherder.
>>96751282this is most likely fake and if not for one region.
>>96751612>>96751616>Retard coping with projections >they've always had that ability retardNo they haven't. Cards from the timeframe you keep posting would have art from random paintings, and we had shit like the Hyalopterous Lemure error that wouldn't fly today. Nowadays, we've had these guidelines for decades and the company's large enough to pull in deals with several multi-million dollar franchises.>you're just whining about SL borders, which is an entirely different point No, it isn't, because in this case it's one of the ways that basic conditioning feeds the player active misinformation about the card.It isn't that Jaws has no border, it's that most of Jaws' entire card is blue, which isn't a problem for the cards you keep posting because they have a border and frame taking up most of the card space.Make a counterargument or fuck off.
>>96751575The new art for them in that set is cool. I had different versions that each skew one way or another for one of the colors.
>>96751700Blue has had angry murdering sea creatures literally since alpha, anon. Mr. Jaws being kill-crazy does not exclude him from blue.
>>96751639>Black people all live in swamps and are culturally associated with them, and they will die if you take them out of the swampYikes
>>96751731>you have to take my retarded spergout VERY seriouslyhttps://youtu.be/upwAbUMfBAQ
>>96751686How's this partner pairing anyway? I play the guy in a red discard deck and he's proven pretty useful.
>>96751545nigger isn't a magic creature type, anon
>>96751672>Azorius cards are azorius. Not white and blueGet a load of this newfag
>>96751682Its not a problem. You just dont like it.>>96751706You are confusing mechanics and lore now. Honest to god its painfully clear you don't understand this game
>>96751700This is the best argument for Jaws being red. It's a very good one but it still leaves something to be desired because at the end of the day he's just a shark. A bigger maybe slightly more intelligent than usual shark. WOTC have been pretty consistent with sea monsters being blue.
>>96751759and sharks aren't forever blue retard
>>96751685Please elaborate on this carefully constructed argument
I will now play cats
>>96751767>Its not a problem. You just dont like it.It is a problem, you just can't read.
>>96751767>>96751761You simply do not understand the underlying world of magic. Its just rules to you. In the world of magic gruul isnt green red, its gruul. Colors mix and take on new identity.
>>96751739This is a generic sea serpent. Not a specific one.
>>96751787Whats the issue anon? I haven't seen it be elucidated on anywhere
>>96751795So what? Angry serial killing sea creatures are blue and always have been. Jaws is an angry serial killing sea creature and should be blue too.
>>96751790This, there is literally no semblance of either Green or Red in Borborygmos' color identity
Worth playing?
Both the serpent and the great white shark are mechanically red cards. These actually hurt the argument youre making by showing that matching mechanical color to art color leads to poorly or improperly designed cards.
>NOOOO HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BLUEOkJAWS, RELNTLESS PREADTOR3URHASTE, TRAMPLEWHENEVER A NON CREATURE ARTIFACT IS SACRIFICED OR DESTROYED JAWS DEALS 1 DAMAGE TO EACH OPPONENT AND YOU DRAW 1 CARD
Jaws is red due to the blood tokens thing and that's really all there is to it.
>>96751810>manafixing tap landJust play a triome, anon
>>96751731>muh Hyalopterous Lemure!retard had the card been an actual lemure (animal) the art will be perfectly in line with their existing art direction, their error in not knowing what "lemure" means has nothing to do with the appropriateness of the art>it's that most of Jaws' entire card is blue>therefore it must be blue>waaaahh
>>96751749Yeah, I'd want to try to appeal to triviality too after getting btfo that hard
>>96751810More trouble than it's worth. Keeping track of the chosen color is a pain, especially with multiple of such lands.
>main deck is just right: not too strong, not too weak, not too fragile, not too consistent, fun to play, fun to play againstWhat decks do you guys own like this?
Doesn't matter that the shark from jaws is an angry rampaging maniac of a monster. The ocean is BLUE, and it’s a GREAT WHITE. Jaws is AZORIUS, through and through
>Why is the angry shark red?Because Anger is literally red.
>>96751847unironically would have been more interesting
I may not know what color jaws is, but I know your mother is blue because she blue my nuts last night.
>>96751852post your favorite red card. this one is mine!
theyre obviously pivoting on sharks as blue creatures considering theyve printed three mono-R sharks in the last year
>>96751866AAAAAIIIIIIEEEEEE RED CRAB IS BLUE
>>96751879>three mono-R sharks in the last yearShark Pirates, why intentionally leave out the other typing?
>>967518103 is too much for cycling, other tapped lands are better.
>>96751866
>>96751829>retard had the card been an actual lemure (animal) the art will be perfectly in line"If the card was what the fuck up intended, it wouldn't have been a fuck up!"Yeah no shit retard. What's your argument, that the artist behind the Jaws card doesn't know what FIRE is?
do you think maro gets paid well or does hasbro have him on some 50k/year meme stipend
>>96751882Has literally anyone argued that Jaws should be blue because his flesh is blue?
>>96751836Probably Odric. It's able to usually do it's thing with consistency considering the relatively low curve but even when it is doing it's thing it's not overwhelming since most of the creatures are 1/1s. It's direct and easy to understand for anyone playing against it so they know how it's working and what they should probably try to hit. And I pack a fair amount of removal and protection to keep my board going just enough and keep opponents in check too. I like it a lot and it's gotten to the point where I'm not even really sure what I'd add or remove anymore.
>>96751903He probably gets paid pretty well, judging by his zealous defense of hasbro on his blog.
>>96751901no my argument is that you're a retard for insisting that sharks must forever be blue while at the same time moving the goalposts that the SL border art is fucking up your autism hahaha
>>96751903He gets paid enough to endure daily threads of people shitting on him online, and as we know from jannies on this site that kind of pay is just about $0 USD.
>>96751922>no my argument is that you're a retard for insisting that sharks must forever be blue while at the same time moving the goalposts that the SL border art is fucking up your autism hahaha
>>96751922Sharks SHOULD be forever bluecolours of mana matching different environments and the creatures therein is fundamental magic flavour
WHEN IS IT OPTIMAL TO RUN COMMANDER’S SPHERE???
>>96751891cuz one of them isnt a pirate and extra subtypes don't matter, specifically because one of them isnt a pirate
>>96751950When you're playing 5c and are poor
>>96751914Post list please
>>96751940concession accepted
>>96751950If you're playing something that either needs the color fixing, three colors and up pretty much, or has some synergy with it. I'd run it in Orvar because it's easy as hell to start mass printing them to fuel even bigger plays and sacrificing them for draws later on.
>>96751836I don't have one of those Most of my decks are complete ass I've found and I haven't actually finished a brew in over a year
>>96751968Jaws not being a Pirate is irrelevant since people are arguing Jaws should be blue.
>>96751997The most relevant point in this debate is that Jaws is not a real magic card.
>>96751911This entire discussion started because the art on the card was blue anon.. so yes.
>>96752007So I can't use the UW version?
>>96751949>fundamental magic flavor>a fundament that before 15 years ago didn't existHello larping zoomie
>>96751979Meant for >>96751922Seriously, when you start malding to the point where you type that horseshit, you need to put your phone down, back away from the computer, and take a deep breath.Or a long walk off a short pier.I will repeat the points you dodged:>literally nobody in their right mind is even going to look at a card that's a blue shark in blue water and think "huh, this isn't blue/water, this is obviously red/fire!" Even if they glance at it for the first time as it's cast, everything about how we've been conditioned to look at cards is going to hang at the back of their mind, and it wouldn't be unreasonable or unexpected for those people to forget the exception. It's going to happen in some groups, and it's not going to be fun since it's a betrayal of player conditioning all for a gimmick.>It isn't that Jaws has no border, it's that most of Jaws' entire card is blue, which isn't a problem for the cards you keep posting because they have a border and frame taking up most of the card spaceThese remain uncontested points. You have lost.
>>96752027It existed in alpha wtf are you on about retard
>>96751949Then you have to accept color pie breaking.
>>96752014No, it started because a majority of the CARD is blue
>>96751882Krabs should have been red though for other reasons
>>96752059Why would I? Just don't print out-of-colour effects on in-colour creature types, it's not hard.
>>96752020I'm sure it would make for a fine coaster.
>>96751976Sure. There's points I think that could use some work but I like how it plays right now.https://moxfield.com/decks/Q8LVkRhQKUOZyiR3lSYa_w
>niche, low powered card from legends is 100 bucksrev up those printers
>>96752073Doesn't work when adapting IPs
>>96752055>>96751467Wasn't even a fucking thing in coldsnap anon. Mechanical color has never dictated art.
>>96752075>paper coastersWorst idea since paper straws
>>96752101who's talking about colours in the art, spaz? I said, if you were paying attention:>colours of mana matching different environments and the creatures therein is fundamental magic flavourWhere in there do you see anything about art?
>>96752020>UW versionAre we even getting that in paper? I know there was talks of it getting one but nothing about what distribution or in what capacity. Unless it was just for Arena again.
>>96752091no? you have to own it to play
>>96752114They're already planning it and making it. No reason it can't be inserted into a main set bonus sheet like special guest artists
>>96751836Been having a lot of fun with Terra. I have her as a budget list that wins through combat.The self-mill can be deceptively strong, because having it built in the commander makes it easy to build your deck around leveraging it as hard card advantage. Terra also has good control options, and there is a lot of sub-themes you can play around with the creatures Terra brings back.There are also a ton of ways to bring Terra herself back beyond the obvious reanimation spells because she is a 3 cmc creature. Would recommend her if you don't mind the FF franchise.
>>96751467Most of that card is a red frame
>>96752105>using cards unsleevedTourist detected.
>>96752096Good reason not to do that then, isn't it?But the flaws of UB as a concept aside, it'd be easy to make a blue Jaws. He's practically begging to have a coastal piracy effect on him considering his whole thing is going to coasts and eating people. Add to that some robust evasion/protection to represent him being so hard to kill and you've got a funky little aggro/voltron blue card, which I think matches Jaws pretty well. A lot better than artifact sacrifice, anyway.
>>96752131lol you wish.
>>96751950Labman combo for the last bit of draw you need to win the game. Thoracle scrubs need not apply.
>>96752154>>using cards unsleevedAs Garfield intended
>>96751950>optimalnever>usefulsuntitan
>>96752142I hope so. Honestly the same for at least all the unique Secret Lairs if not entire sets. I just question the methods they'll use considering how limited the Rick UW was to pull and how weird they've been on confirming how they'll do these things.
>>96752161how am I supposed to proxy if im not using sleeves?
>>96751995As the guy you're responding to, I feel you. My secondary decks are way too fast for bracket 3 but too fragile for bracket 4.All of my test decks feel like I'm playing a bad singleton draft deck instead of commander.
>>96751836The closest I have is group hug but that's an illusion. It's too strong for most tables I play it at but people don't seem to mind because card draw.
> I play a mountain> I tap my mountain> I summon a sharkAh yes, MTG as Garfield intended
>>96751467>>96751530>Snow creatureImagine samefagging your own shitty example
>>96752189nothing is stopping you from using a mountain as a generic cost for a blue creature
>ATLA collector boxes barely more than LorwynOHNONONONONONONONO UB bros I thought Spiderman wasn't an indicator of anything!
>>96752061The majority of the card is the sharks flesh anon.
>>96752207No but the game rules stop you from paying for it with only Islands while tapping only Mountains is a valid play.
>>96752107The entire discussion started because the art is blue therefore jaws must be. Also again what you are claiming "existed in alpha" did not, like at all.>>96752197What does snow creature have to do with anything lol>snow creature>greenYou larping zoomies just say shit its hilarious.
>>96752211Actually it isn't. I would say under a third.
>>96752220Try not to have a heart attack, millennial. You gotta keep that bloodpressure down
>>96752220>What does snow creature have to do with anythingBecause it's snow. The supertype was the set gimmick. They even tried to differentiate snow mana to the point where they gave it its own mana symbol, shown in the card you posted.
>>96752210Who said that? Even this thread's UB-enjoyers like Swordfag think that they're going too far. Spiderman was just the start, TMNT is going to flop as well, followed by Marvel Superheroes.
Last night I lost to a deck that played this card. He claimed it is criminally underplayed. Idk it looks kinda bad.
>>96752220>Also again what you are claiming "existed in alpha" did not, like at all.Yes it absolutely did lmaoHave you seen the alpha creatures? They're not "random whatever lole" the roots of a lot of creature type-colour matches that exist to this day are there. Unicorns and angels in white, sea creatures and clones and wizards and merfolk in blue, goblins and dwarves in red etc etc.
>>96752258It is pretty bad for card draw, but you could do much worse. Red and white would kill for this card in their colors.
Im 36 years old, I first played mtg with buddies in '96, and anon is 100% correct that Jaws being red is a jarring card design. Sharks, in general, are blue. Cards, in general, have art to match their color. If you are arguing that this expectation was always not the case because of exceptions and gotchas, tjen you are the retard and should shut the fuck up
>>96752247I personally always thought it was weird you guys used FF as a rule and not exception ngl
>>96752294FF had the perfect level of variety and overlap with Magic, and Wizards really has no idea how to pick genre-adjacent material clearly. If it were FF this year, ATLA next year, and continuing as 1 standard/command set UB yearly it'd probably be decent. As is, this glut of off-genre shit is going to be remembered very poorly.
>>96752258sorcery speed kills this card.
>>96752309Anon I am just gonna break it to you easy. No set going forward is going to sell on FF level and if that is your bar for non-flop then I'd sell my shit now since EOE flopped and Lorwyn is flopping.
>>96752315well I guess that makes sense, he was playing mono blue gandalf
>>967522585 mana for 4 cards is an okay rate. Blue players happily pony up 5 mana for 3 cards in the form of mystic confluence (obviously that card's infinitely more flexible).Being sorcery speed sucks a LOT though.
>>96752247>Lorwyn is floppingOHNONONONONO LORWYN CHADS
>>96752050based take a break poster
>>96752330>>96752317...Who the fuck said Lorwyn is flopping? Lorwyn looks awesome. I'm talking strictly about UB.
>>96752232Its still a red card with a blue palette. You lost, move on.
>>96752359>Lorwyn looks awesomeI'm not holding my breath, I do like those shocks though.
>>96752309I'm quite curious to see whether the ATLA set will perform more closely to the FF set than the Spiderman set.
>>96752157yes
>>96752277>cards in general habe...This is a modern phenomenon. Plenty of old cards have been posted showing that isnt fundamnetal to card design. Lying about your credentials just makes you look retarded.
>>96752359Lorwyn looks pretty good but that Nosewater post about how "fantasy needs to reflect our modern reality" or whatever the fuck in response to someone hoping they won't nigger&trannify lorwyn does not fill me with hope.
This is the most benign thread flip out ever
>>96752359Many people have spoken about how it does not capture lorwyns aesthetic or vibe at all. Way to digital.
>>96752381Even if anon is LARPing, and IF you were correct on the timeframe, what's your point? We're talking about a card released now, not back in Alpha. There's no way, even with your own assumptions, that your argument works.
>>96752367>You lost, move onTyped with tears in his eyes
>>96752389>fantasy needs to reflect our modern realityOf all the fatigues I collect, I have the most of this one in particular.
>>96752050>literally nobody in their right mind is even going to look at a card that's a blue shark in blue water and think "huh, this isn't blue/water, this is obviously red/firreading the card explains the card duh, learn to read>it's not going to be fun since it's a betrayal of player conditioning all for a gimmickbut that's what all of SL is, a gimmick, stupid. you get what you pay for>jaws's entire card is blue there it must be bluecan't help but repeat the same retarded talking points in the end huh?(You) have lost. Bigly.
>>96752294> rule> exceptionConsidering weve had only 2 UB sets in standard so far its not really possible to say either one is a rule or exception.
>>96752443I look forward to confusing retards by busting out JAWS in my RSS Titanic deck.
>>96752317>No set going forward is going to sell on FF leveljust say asian IP is where the money is and westoid IP sucks, it ain't that hard
>>96752258Its mid
>>96748590You are a good person and are actively interested in making commander games more fun.
Is there genuinely any boardstate in the game that is answered by Farewell but not any other card? I keep hearing the argument that "Farewell is necessary because it's too easy to make an untouchable board" but I genuinely can't even theorize a board that dies to Farewell but not anything else.
>>96752515And by fun I mean slow
>>96752526I should play Rog/Si since the only metric for good gameplay is me winning as fast as possible.
>>96752523Basically you need something which either force sacrifices or aoe exiles. Because destroy/target effects can be stopped by hexproof/indestructible
which trinket mage art?
>>96752552Right is way cooler.
>>96752523One of the points of using Farewell is to name types you don't have in play so it is more likely to become a one-sided wipe.
>>96752563This is how the card works in theory but in practice I see shitters casting it on all modes at complete random adding 25 minutes to the game and that's their excuse on why they need it in all their decks.
>>96752523stapling gravehate to it means I can't sac my board to dodge it and that pisses me off
>>96751726only one region is listed
>>96752443>reading the card explains the card duh, learn to readSure. Let me read that card.Along with the one played before that. And all the other ones you have on the field. And all of those tokens. And the cards in your graveyard...That excuse doesn't work here not only because Jaws feeds misinformation through signaling, but because you're now getting into the issue of complexity creep, which WotC is aware of. That's also why cards use unique counters now that have no mechanical benefit (pic related), because even the game's designers know that the game should have visual shortcuts and reminders about what a card does.>but that's what all of SL is, a gimmick, stupidI don't think anyone, and I mean ANYONE, was arguing against you that Secret Lairs being gimmick arts are retarded. In fact iirc I brought up that a lot of them had a similar problem, just with Jaws it was egregious and not only fed you misinformation, but probably the most wrong hints it could give.>can't help but repeat the same retarded talking pointsI will repeat an argument you haven't answered, yes.>BiglyUnderage twitterbaby detected.Go back.>I am le edgy because Trump pic!Nice false flag tranny.
>>96752523Darksteel Forge
>>96752523farewell is by far the best option because of the flexibility and being exileA lot of farewell's contemporaries in the category of sweepers that get around protection have some kind of caveat, like cyc rift bouncing to hand instead of removing from the game, but farewell can hit everything AND hate on graves.It's less about boardstates and more about gamestates. Obviously there's plenty of ways to remove the board despite protection, but farewell is the most punishing.
>>96752626>man reading cards in a 4man edh game is hard!then wipe the board or win through a combo, the board being very complex is a feature of edh, not a bug>I don't think anyone, and I mean ANYONE, was arguing against you that Secret Lairs being gimmick arts are retarded. In fact iirc I brought up that a lot of them had a similar problem, just with Jaws it was egregious and not only fed you misinformation, but probably the most wrong hints it could give.finally the retard admits itultimately your kvetching is that SL did the le horrible thing which is to subvert your expectations kekw>hurr durr you're a trannytrannies are very likely to be autistic and you hit all the boxes with your meltdown over SL Jaws art kek
>>96752653you already used this image bro
>>96752660yes i did because the retard is funny and stupidhere's another one in HD
>>96752660Damn, I fully conceed.
>>96752668>actually was himOk I am now convinced you're under 20
>>96752681why would i not admit it was me when i'm right?
>>96752626you're dealing with an unironic 18 year old Trumpist lol
>>96752653>then wipe the board or win through a combo"Dude the card being a bad design isn't a problem because you can kill it!"I don't know if that's more retarded than your argument on the Lemure art or not.>the board being very complex is a feature of edh, not a bugComplexity should come from board states where cards can be quickly assessed, and attention should be attributed through board state relevance, not visual confusion. When was the last time you saw someone choose to use a nu-Innistrad black-and-white basic?>ultimately your kvetching isNo it isn't. Stop trying to move the goalposts and answer my points in >>96752050>I'm not a tranny, YOU are!>>t. simping for wotcPathetic tourist
>>96752716>18
>>96752716uh oh lefty melty>>96752729>um ackshually edh board states being complex isn't a problem>but jaws having blue art but is actually red? man that really pushes things over the edge, we don't got time to read all that!lolmore secret lairs with contrasting art please mark, so that i can get to laugh at more of these retards
What the fuck are you faggots even arguing about?
>>96752756SL jaws has blue art but is a red creature therefore an autistic person will sperg out for the rest of the thread
>>96752751>>um ackshually edh board states being complex isn't a problem>>but jaws having blue art but is actually red? man that really pushes things over the edge, we don't got time to read all thatYes. Cards should not feed misinformation. Thank you for agreeing and not being a contrarian.
>>96751810No, just run a triome and the lands that cycle for 1 colored mana if you want cycle lands.
>>96752756sharks are blue but Jaws' number 1 fan is a monored andy
>>96752653>>96752668>>96752689>>96752751Did you ever remarry, Christian?
>>96752760Admittedly, I prefer this autistic sperg out he's doing over the usual ones he does.
>>96752751>pretty ok thread>gets ruined by a nutcase screaming politics and tranniesNothing changes
>>96752258I could see this being worth playing if you have sorcery cost reducers in your deck.
>>96752526>smothering tithe and rhystic study speed up commander gamesare you retarded?
>>96752763>Cards should not feed misinformationyou would not be misinformed if you just knew how to read the damned card thoughthanks for admitting that you don't read cards and you're a casual fish that will ironically be eaten alive by lgs sharks hahaha
>>96752788>extra cards and mana allow people to do more and get to their game plans fasterwow! Next you'll tell me group hug doesn't assist the table at anything.
>>96752772i'm catholic, what's remarrying?all protestants are filthy heretics by definition btw
>>96752791>if you just knew>>>96751434"If you think it's bad design then you're just bad" is a cope. You're coping.
>>96752763SLD has always fed disinfo so I am unsure the issue. At least I can fucking read jaws
>>96752756>What the fuck are you faggots even arguing about?UB
>>96752807>I'm catholicState you agree with and believe the pope and do not doubt him
>>96752808
>>96752813>Secret Lair is bad for visual clarity so how is a Secret Lair being bad for visual clarity a problem?Stop being contrarian and get a personality.
>>96752830I don't think you know what a contrarian is.
>>96752830my personality is making fun of retards like you though
>>96752826>>96751434>Even if they glance at it for the first time as it's cast, everything about how we've been conditioned to look at cards is going to hang at the back of their mind, and it wouldn't be unreasonable or unexpected for those people to forget the exception. It's going to happen in some groups, and it's not going to be fun since it's a betrayal of player conditioning all for a gimmick.Can you please repeat an argument that hasn't already been defeated, please?Or just kill yourself.
Shill me your favourite alternative wincon right fucking nowBonus points for posting (you)r physical copy of that wincon
>>96752832>>96752837Samefag
>>96752837>I was just trolling/pol/baby please
whats the edh equivalent of a head shot?
>>96752853>i don't want to read the card>therefore i'm rightlife is fun
>>96752881
>>96752884>i don't want to read the card>therefore i'm rightMeant for >>96752884
>>96752801That only works against bad players. Good players will groan and know that you have just made the game take 2-3x as long for no reason other than you can't build a deck without broken as fuck cards.Making everyone waste mana to prevent your card draw isn't speeding up the game.
The funny thing is that this giy hates UB and SLDs but is out defending red jaws for some reason.
Anyone play this card in a deck?
>>96752801>stax pieces>allow people to do moreAnon you fundamentally misunderstand both tithe and rhystic. You seem to think they're accelerants, but what they do is slow the game down.
>>96752906>worse aetherflux reservoirmaybe in a codie deck or something
>>96752917I assume this is better used as creature removal
>>96752906I would use this if it just said noncreature spells, but it is not a bad card if you have lots of cheap instants and sorceries, of course.The fact that it doesn't care about enchantments or artifacts does hurt it a bit.
>>96752086This looks pretty good.Might I suggest including one of my favorite white ramp cards? You're pretty creature-heavy so you can probably ignore the cost increase.
>>96751785uuooohhhhh kitty pussy cunny erotic!!!There are already some cute cunny in MtG, but never enough... THE ANSWER IS MORE ANIME ART
>>96752906I used it in my Gale Raised By Giants deck. It snow balled really hard once I got it on board and started slinging spells. Almost too much so. Ended up cutting it since the turn dragged on way too much.
>>96750883its you, for sure now to my one and only experience playing against first sliver:>wanted to just dick around>tell friend he should play First Sliver he told me about>thinking Slivers being strong and getting cascade value on top us a bit silly, but let's see>play my quickest Aggro Deck too, Samut, Voice of Dissent>He quickly gets his commander out, casts his first Sliver spell>here it goes, he flips and hits another sliver >cascades again>mfw all those years knowing about First Sliver, it completely eluded me that the cascade train just continues when other Slivers are hit>vomits out huge board state, one player dead already, the other one single digit life totals>my turn>wanted to just scoop knowing I can't hold up against this value train>dead friend looks in my hand: "wtf you sure about that?">"oh shit your right">play out my turn, managed to remove lots of relevant slivers, could muster up enough muscle to punch through the slivers and kill both remaining players I really thought I stood no chance if it wasn't for my friend smacking some sense into me, and that turned out to be one of my most satisfying wins. Fuck First Sliver, what a stupid, braindead commander for a braindead tribe
>>96752086don't fall for this anon, I tested his deck and it sucks
>>96752956>Gale Raised By Giants deckWhat does this deck do
>foil is 80 dollarsfor why? its not the prettiest card, its not very playable and the standard copy is 70 cents
>>96752991>2008 printing
>>96752997>same set>only one printing with this art>infinitely more playable >35 bucks
>>96752862>60 second cooldown>an anon can somehow samefag in 35 secondsbwahahaha retard
>>96753007now that is some god awful art.
>>96753007>creature - angel
>>96753010I like the contrast and she's cute. What problems do you have?
>>96753012Why not just make every SL angel themed if its that popular?
>>96753008Just post from mobile network and home networkOr are you a retard?
>>96753007I'm fairly certain that the introduction of the anime version did a lot to drive down the cost of OG foils.
>>96753023because wotc is retarded
>>96752983Play draw and ramp spells, get a bunch of tokens from cats triggers, then get Gale big enough to start hitting people for game form commander damage or boost the board of tokens with Overwhelming Stampede or Preposterous Proportions. Cats multiple times often enough.
>>96753024>two different people agreeing at around the same time? impossible!
>>96752934Ramp and draw that will often pay out in a turn cycle or two. Yeah, that's not bad. Thanks anon. I'll see about trying it.
>>96753025Looks like its been falling for much longer than that
>>96753025Every set should have anime versions of the cards with fancy foils. That would get me to buy collector boosters.
>>96753049woops forgot to change to foilyeah it was sitting closer to 60 before the reprint was announced even if the reprints are those god awful full arts
>>96753049Might be the judge foil, then. My bad. I'm still sure that the anime version is part of the reason why the price did not stabilize earlier and higher.
>>96753065>>96753068the duality of man
>>96753013Face
>>96753073what the hell is that symbol supposed to be DCI promos usually look waaay better than that
>>96753080Clearly it's an owl, anon
>>96753078Honestly, I never dug Lorwyn because I found many of the faces to be ugly.
>>96753082but why?
>>96753094Owls are wise.
>>96753078>>96753084weird, I like it for that reason.
>>96753080A lot of the later judge promos suck. Really like the Enlightened Tutor art, but the flavor text and the owl are pretty bad.>>96753082Owl keep that in mind, anon.
>>96753096I suppose you would want your judges to think they were wise.
Did something happen to the DCI?
>>96752991Angel tribal niggas
I'm so fucking sick of everything being an artifact token
>>96752942I shall continue making amazing cunny cards
>>96753125based Epstein Lister
>>96753112>DCIare you a returning player or something?
>>96753118Yep. FIRE design was bad enough, artifact token spam is somehow worse.
>>96753131anon, I play edh. Why would I know anything about judges?
>>96753118why
>>96753108>known as the dumb kid growing up>magic was the only haven from the bullying>became a judge after grueling preparation>promos come in the mail>sees owl stamp>owl means smart>I'm finally not retarded anymore.
>>96753144because fuck artifacts that's why
They're unbanning tolarian academy
>>96753149but... why? what did artifacts do to you?
>>96753140if you only play edh then why is the dci of sudden interest to you?>inb4 too lazy to google
>>96753149Just run titania's song and stony silence in everything.
>>96753159I was really hoping to start a discussion but I guess I could have put more effort in wording my question. yeah I'll just google it.
>>96753152uthros is right there bro they already unbanned it
>>96753152emrakul and primetime first
>>96753167>crew 12
>turn two this guy comes downHow badly does it fuck up your deck? In my experience, if they don't have an answer it buys you a lot of time and completely shuts down a lot of generals.
>>96753170primetime wouldn't even need to be a gamechanger in 2k25 EDH
>>96753181>crew
>>96753130theres nothing wrong with cunny
>>96753159>sudden interest to youthey make the good promos
>>96753183nigga...
>>96753183>nothing comes down on turn 2Ah battlecruiser. My love.
>>96753183I'm assuming you are referring to Drannith Magistrate? I find most people don't get nervous against nothing played turn 2.
>>96753200How the fuck is there no pedo report option
>>96753200t.
>>96753183
>>96753183>>96753205>>96753212>>96753213AHHHH Forgot pic
>>96753216wasn't so very long ago that this site had boards for loli and shota, anon
>>96753037When both of you are talking in the exact same way and performing the same mental gymnastics, it's easy to clock.Also note the gaslight. Nobody except you wants to paint it as an hard trick.
>>96753219them dinos hot boxin af
>>96753219I play this card, it's hilarious how good it can be and at worst it costs 2.
>>96753216cringe>>96753217based
>>96753212>Ah battlecruiser. My love.Hell yeah, brother! Wait until I slap this bad boy down. What are you going to do!?>>96753218kek. very appropriate reaction maymay, anon
>>96753221it still does through /vt/yet more proof that /tg/ lives in a bubble and never looks at other boards
>>9675322117+ years is actually quite a while ago.
>>96753233
>>96753232I don't think "not into vtubers" classifies as a bubble desu.
>>96753221/b/ still has shota and loli posted, hell even /co/ does
>>96753216Seems like there is such an option up now.
>>96753225Exactly. I used it on some sweaty boros voltron deck. They had their creature up with four three swords (none with protection from blue) and things like True Conviction up and other extra combat steps. They were able to one shot others at the table but couldn't draw any removal against this, and I had a sac outlet and way to bounce it back in. I stalled him out for a while before I comboed and won.
>>96753228>What are you going to do!?NOOOOOO MY BOARD, I WIL GET YOU FOR THIS, YOU MISARABLE WURM!
>>96753259>tfw I saw a selesnya wurm and didn't bother to check which onewoops
>>96753241ignorance is never an excuse
I'm brewing an Orzhov list in a low to mid powered bracket 3 meta and need something to stop the resident creature shitters.Whats the best solution for this, besides kill target player? My own wincon is tall +1/+1 spam and a late game combo with tutor support.
>>96753249pretty based until you played combo.
>>96753276This board is faster than /vt/
>>96753249Trample gets past the bank, though. Honestly sounds like a skill issue on part of your opponent since trample is one of the best forms of evasion for voltron decks, assuming fucking banding is not a thing.
>>96753277Tainted Aether is pretty fun vs token running dweebs.
>>96753277Authority of the Consulsgain a squillion life and make everyone else slow their rollworks like a charm every time
>>96753286>This board is faster than /vt/
>>96753280To be fair, it's a barely a bracket three wall deck, and it's only wincon is a few janky combos. Out of all my decks, is the only one that is designed to win with combos, and intentionally has them in it.
>>96752668Powerful behaviour. Its an image board people lighten up
>>96753277Holy DayDarknessWrath of GodDamnationDamnSerene MasterHundred-Handed OneMartial CoupPeace Talks Blinding AngelBlazing ArchonDoom BladeWake the DeadDread
>>96753291I pointed that out and he said he thought trample was useless as long as he had a bunch of swords. He just couldn't get his Fire/Ice one in time.Of course by the time he did I already had a Spike Weaver up.
>>96753302List?
>>96753277Don't forget the most glorious card of them all.
>>96753277>combo with tutorWe've truly lost the new generation, haven't we?
>>96752763>red ability>red mana symbols>misleading
>>96753325I DON'T WANNA READ THE CARD
>>96753317> PF
Good flavor text
>>96753325>>red mana symbolsThey're beige.
>>96753314Win con being Blasting Station with Reveillark/Karmic Guide shenanigans being able to bounce pretty much everything, or blow up everything up with Acidic Slime with Ashnod's Altar, and get Jenara big, or clone the biggest baddie and attack when nothing much is left.
>>96753277Never relax
The jaws debate was settled. Everyone agrees it should be blue.
>>96753332>Still butthurt hours later because the entire thread thought he was retardedI found you as a card.
>>96753354is this predh? Get rid of the white borders and this would be a beautiful deck!
>>96753354I'm gonna guess you started playing in 2006 let me know how I did.
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>>96753366Truth Nukem over here dropping BOMBS
>>96753368>YOU ARE THIS GUY I AM THINKING ABOUTI found your card
>>96753366I mean the card would still be ub slop regardless of what color it was.
>>96753350>oh no my mirrodin copy of seething song doesn't work somehow
>>96753350Im fairly certain if you look at the card you will see the red mana symbols from the game MTG
>>96753366All fish should be blue just as all dragons should be red and all mammals green and all angels white.
>>96753366except it's red, and all the whining in the world will not make it blue
>>96753354>could be using Arcades, the Strategist>uses Jenara insteadYou have inspired me
>>96753317Also he can play night of soul's betrayal with it.
>>96753405Rafiq seems funnier with walls though lol.
>>96753397If I whine hard enough will Cephalids stop being octopi or viashino lizards?
>>96753219The sudden masculine urge to brew an Esper Walls deck
>>96753354PHANTOM NISHOBA CHADPreDH rules.
>>96753419>arcane signet>Tamiyo>chulaneits closebut it does look great doesn it with cards like >feldon's cane
One fishtwo fishRed fishblue fish
>>96753415nope on that toobut if you whine hard enough to wotc maybe they'll start pushing for more anime UB so that it'll be easier for hasbro to keep afloat and avoid bankruptcy
More important than the color what's with word that Jaws is getting a Universe Within version too? Is that just for Arena or is it in print too? Do we know anything about that yet?
>>96753378It's not but yeah basically is. Deck is from 2011 and I'm slowly updating it the past few months.>>967533792009, but my bro started in 1994 so I have lots of old card access.>>96753405Yeah that's the goal. I originally just played her for her colors, and she was a cheap flying blocker, that could be built big with extra mana if needed. Once you start plopping down walls and never attack, nobody thinks you're a threat.>>96753413I think I originally had him first. I did keep a handful of Exalted cards in the deck as an alternate wincon to the combo, like Sovereigns, Finest Hour, Eldrazi conscription that worked well with Jenara, but the deck was trying to do two things at once and you know how that doesn't usually work. >>96753419He's a big boy! >>96753433>but it does look great doesn it with cards like>>feldon's caneGraveyard hate will kill the deck, so I have that and Riftsweeper who can combo and bring everything I need back from Exile. Farewell... psh
>>96753445Yeah, I'm inspired. I'm dropping everything and building a prEDH deck
>>96753436I dont like anime cards albeitI want booba and cocka cards
Ah yes, jaws, the famous Great Blue Shark. Genius
>>96753500WAIT, NO!!!!
>>96753513>>96753513
>>96753042It is without a doubt one of the best white ramp cards, especially because it slows down people trying to spam out mana rocks. If people complain about it being stax... it goes away after 3 spells. And it's great in multicolor decks too, since you search for a Plains card, not a basic plains.
>>96753388>Nooo someone else was a complete retard not me!>>96753390>Rest of the card is redAt what point do you just close the browser and take the L?
>>96753928>replies long after the thread is dead hoping to get the last word innow isn't this peak pathetic behaviorstop projecting and medicate already retard
>>96752638https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A%22exile+target+artifact%22
