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>I still give wizards money

>>96750228
>>I still give wizards money
I give my money to the Chinaman for his prints, we are not the same

The only thing i bought was a FF started kit
i love janky shit
that's how card games are supposed to be
none of that hyper optimized self synergetic autofellatio ETBrimjob wankery

I love magic the gathering secret lair multiplied by the office product.

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>>96750221
>>TQ
>Are you excited for the Pam and Jim Secret Lair next year?
NO.

Please stop posting AI slop. It's offensive to my soul.
Also it looks like shit.
Frieren would never dress like that.

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Well last thread hit limit fast so I'll do another one here: >>96750107

>This is the dedicated post to onions out and reply with whatever series you'd like to see a UB crossover series. Abandon your (warranted) cynicism and (entirely valid) artistic convictions and be a faggot redditor HERE.

I did a semi-realistic one last time (we'll inevitably get a FromSoft one eventually so Hollow Knight is surely in with a shot) so here's a significantly crackier one.

>>96750248
MAROOOOOOOOOOOO SHIP ME THE SECRET LAIR I ORDERED 4 YEARS AGO AND I PROMISE I'LL HAVE MY TUBES SNIPPED!!!!!
#WEARENOTGOINGBACK
#MAGICWASNEVERYOURS
#MENTALHEALTH
#PROZAC
#SEROQUEL
#ZYPREXA
#FAUCHIOUCHIE
#CLIMATECHANGE
#FREEPALESTINE
#STOPANTISEMITISM
#PROUDKEK
#RACETRAITOR

>>96750273
You know what, i don't really """want""" an UB.
I just want the game to stop sucking so much

>>96750278
Maybe this game is not for you?

>>96750280
you tell 'em, sister!

>>96750280
Stop with these kind of replies.
Actual retards will think you have a point.

>>96750273
go fuck yourself wotc marketing team-chad (male)

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SORRY JANNY! Your board has rotated.

>>96750286
chan*

me eyes ain't so good these days
also why i make so many typos

eyesight decreased but not typing speed

>>96750284
That's what they said when people told wizards "do you really expect me to splurge $350 for a booster box of ultimate masters?".

Piggies in this thread are steaming mad, steamed hams if you will (Yes, Simpsons is coming in 2027 and Steamed Hams will be a card, screen cap it)

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>>96750237
I support the idea of a WWE UB, but not because I want to play with the cards, I just want "Spock, the Rock, Doc Ock, and Hulk Hogan" to all be in the game. (noting that Gandalf the Grey and Gandalf the White are both already in.)

I think i'm starting to understand instinctually the vitriol against UBs.
I just read
>WWE UB
And a wave of utter disgust came towards me.

pro wrestling wouldn't be the worst un setting since, depending on how deep you dig, you've got angels, zombies, dwarves, wizards, magic poison mist, cool pyrotechnics...

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you sissies ain't ready for a wwe set

at best you'll get a ufc secret lair WITHOUT the real ones like tito ortiz or ken shamrock (cause they can't be made black)

>>96750324
>un setting
oh no no bros he thinks it will be an Un set instead of being standard legal and taking over his lgs draft for eight weeks... I mean four weeks since there will be 12 sets that year

>>96750335
b and n are next to each other on the keyboard brother

>>96750228
No I don't.

>>96750228
0 bucks since 2020
which, if you had any intelligence you'd realize it's the same year secret lair and fire came out

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How much time this game can last predating from other IPs and with hard die fans leaving and with EDH fags as the main customer base?

>>96750450
idk how long has weiss schwarz been around
at least that long

>>96750450
10 years going by Mortal Kombat's example

we however are at year 5 already

>>96750248
>Whenever you attack with one or more Black Kings and whenever a white man dies, you get an experience counter.

>>96750450
Realisticly 13-20 years

>>96750483
17 years.

>>96750534
lol i forgot mk vs dc existed

>Bubbles tranny "son" spamming the thread
Iconic.
Paupershill was right.

universes beyond: soup
it's soup

>>96750359
But all those things are before 2020 fag

oko broke the camel's back

>>96750923
Kinda insane that they were planning modern horizons during the BfZ block.

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also experimenting with editing sleeves for arena

too bad i'm too much of a dumb quasi-blind raging APE to know why it's shadowed on the left side or how to fix it

>>96750978
he really do be trying to kill this game for the last 30 years

>>96750450
At a rate of 6 sets per year they'll run out of popular franchises in 2-3 years.
Not to mention some franchises already have their own shit and won't go full collabs like Spiderman did.

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>>96750304
>already in the game
Gandalf the Grey
Gandalf the White
Monty Python and the Holy Grail's Black Knight
Doc Ock

>inevitable
Captain Kirk
Spock

>not until Unlimited dies
Darth Vader

>highly likely
Robocop
The Terminator
Superman
Bill S Preston
Theodore Logan

>not impossible but unlikely
Blue Meanie
Cowboy Curtis
Jambi the Genie
Lo-pan
The Rock
Hulk Hogan

>not happening
Benito Mussolini
"every single" Power Ranger (move to highly likely if it's only MMPR)

>>96751043
dude they already ran out of usable franchises when they made LotR and then FF, literally every other crossover is a bad idea for a standard set

>>96751076
They're gonna focus on vidya shit after FIN. Witcher, Elder Scrolls, Zelda, DMC and such

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>everything old fans said would happen when the Walking Dead shit came out became true
>we're now at the stage where The Office and TMNT are joining MTG
We used to meme about "what's next, Big Bang Theory and The Office?" and it became true. The most far flung, hyperbolic shitposts became true. I hate it here but I cant stop watching. I don't even know what to do, do I start liquidating my collection? I got a few thousand in RL cards; a decade ago I'd have told you that MTG will last forever but now I don't know if it'll even be a hit in 2030.

I don't even hate the idea of special edition crossover crap... So long as
>1: it's purely premium reskins of existing cards
>2: it fits next to an existing standard printing of an MTG card

I don't give a fuck about Iron Maiden getting cards; they fit those criteria, a fucked up mummy zombie thing fits MTG well. But I'm gonna cringe whenever someone resolves a fucking Furby or TMNT card.

>>96751169
>He thought a game run by WotC would last forever
D&D 4e should have told you there's no limit to how hard they can fuck up.
>Hey you know that game people loved because of how versatile it was? Let's cut out 90% of the content because it was too confusing for idiots. Now you can only play 1/4 classes with a massive powergap between them.

>>96751185
Ive been playing since pre-hasbro, there was a lot of doomerism when they bought the game but it never became true... Until now. WOTC was left relatively alone to do as they please until the past 5 years or so. The fuck ups were largely issues with game design and organization, not monetization. Until this era of SL/UB slop we were having it good.

I dont know anything about DnD or care about DnD.

>>96751058
>"every single" Power Ranger (move to highly likely if it's only MMPR)
occurred to me if they made a MMPR secret lair they'd either make tommy green when it makes zero sense, make him black which makes sense but people would sperg out because "he's the green ranger not the black ranger" or cop out and just use the white version instead

>>96751076
honestly think Avatar is the most fitting universe they've done and probably could do for the forseeable future after LOTR. Yes even moreso than FF
>>96751169
it's only a slippery slope fallacy until it's true and then shut up, stop noticing things.

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>>96751169
'member this?

>>96751138
I think there are 5 criteria to decide what can be made into a set:
1. Public Awareness
2. Rabid Fanbase
3. Richness and Depth (no small sets)
4. Theme (this really doesn't matter to Hasbro but it should).
5. Politics (for practical purposes this means no Harry Potter set).
With those you can decide what could be an interesting IP for UB or not.

>>96751266
>Politics
idk man you see what people are saying about The Office SL because the actor also had his version of a JK Rowling impasse?

>>96751315
No one with a soul and free will enjoys The Office enough to know the actors names, let alone their political oppinions

>>96751185
4e(the system, not so much the lore) was good though, and 3.5 had enough content that you wouldn't run out for a decade. I'm sure 4e would have gotten to 3.5 levels of feature creep if it was more popular.

>>96751252
>spongebob and iron man are already in the game
>elsa is kinda in the game (another take on the same story) and frankly probably would already be in if lorcana didn't exist
>same with kylo ren and unlimited
>travis scott isn't but there is a post malone card
>whopper isn't but we got shit like bagels and hot dog carts so it's a wash either way
fucking grim

>>96751220
>honestly think Avatar is the most fitting universe they've done and probably could do for the forseeable future after LOTR. Yes even moreso than FF
surely we're still in agreement then that they're out of ammo?
I can think of Pokemon and Zelda that would be on the same level of 1) hype and 2) suitable for a full-sized set and they both seem like total never-evers to me

>>96750450
About as long as modern capitalism can hold out.

So, anywhere from 5 years until the end of time.

>>96751414
I've never been a fan of UB, from day one I was bitching about how ill fitting TWD was to magic and it's only gotten worse from there. But I'm also willing to admit when things do work to some degree, like avatar. But yes they're extremely low on workable marketable IPs that aren't just fortnite-ified slop.
>I can think of Pokemon and Zelda
Zelda, sure, not sure about pokemon fitting but I guess it wouldn't be as bad as some of the other shit they've done lately. not that it'll ever happen; if something like star wars can't happen due to a card game releasing a year or two ago then you're absolutely never seeing a crossover with their #1 competition for the last 20 years (arguably 27, I feel like even when WOTC was in charge of its western distribution they saw it as an obstacle to magic more than anything else)

>>96751414
No way Nintendo will give WOTC anything, especially after they parted ways with WOTC for mishandling the pokemon TCG way back when.

The only (fitting within MTG universe, can be a full set) likely UBs left unexplored I can think of are
>the elder scrolls
>elden ring/dark souls
>game of thrones (shudder)

As for things that I think will probably come even if they'd be cringe in MTG, purely because of popularity and willingness to do crossovers (has enough content to be a full set)
>borderlands
>genshin impact
>terminator
>mortal combat
>invincible

>>96751485
is borderlands popular? I don't even mean this as an insult but I feel like it's one of those franchises that's artificially propped up as a huge deal by its owner despite nobody actually giving a shit. the movie completely bombing only supports that.

then again I feel like horizon: zero dawn is an even stronger example of that, and it got a secret lair, so what the fuck do I know.

>>96751510
The first 3 games all sold really well, don't know about 4 though. Borderlands 1 and 2 in particular have decent nostalgia value among the late 20s/ 30s man child demographic who are the main consoomers of UB slop

>>96751479
>not sure about pokemon fitting
I don't mean "does this *feel* like Magic" which is a distinction I would only give to Forgotten Realms, *kinda* to FF and ATLA, and a hundred old fantasy properties that they wouldn't adapt even if they had the license (Black Company Secret Lair: never)
I mean literally just "can you print 250+ original card designs using this IP as your basis without resorting to bottom-of-the-barrel crap like Bagel and Schmear (Yiddish in mtg! wow!), preferably while also supporting ten draft archetypes." Spider-Man turned out to be a definite "No", whereas Pokémon has about a thousand Pokémon (non-legendary creatures in the UB set, a rarity), almost a thousand different moves which are basically spells with arbitrary effects, several hundred passive "abilities", dozens and dozens of varied natural environments to turn into lands, and a hundred or two usable items to turn into artifacts and whatnot. They have more than enough to work with

>>96751573
(adding that this is pointless speculation because no way are they getting that license)

>>96751510
Yes borderlands is very popular, and they just came out with a new game. Randy loves whoring out the IP too.

>>96750999
>esl that can't edit text is also a pedophile
what a surprise

we are getting a skipiti toiret ref next time we go to duskmourn, righ? we got among us in mkm already

>>96751358
>4e was good
You mean the edition that took two entire monster manual revisions to make it so fights didn't consist of the monster instantly getting stunlocked before you waste another 8 turns depleting its massive healthbar, Larian-style?

>>96750221
My request is simple: reprint Counterspell into standard. Reprint lightning bolt into standard. Reprint rampant growth into standard.

That is all.

>>96751905
Rampant Growth wouldn't even see play. Nature's Lore likely wouldn't either.

>>96751915
I actually haven't played standard in 8 years lol what the fuck are green-centric decks playing?

>>96752001
Dying to aggro on turn 3.

>>96750221
So I've been making a peasant cube. I've tested it a few times, and I want to know what yall think about it and what I should add/remove.
https://cubecobra.com/cube/overview/f07924e8-225d-4cb6-ab41-e37059d96785

>>96752001
Llanowar Elves and having 30% WR against red aggro.

>>96751895
>you couldn't do the exact same thing in 3.5
You don't play games.

>>96752042
Why are people letting dorks live? Are removal heavy decks less common?

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I wish Premodern had a Life from the Loam type card besides this.
at least it has absolute god tier art.

>>96752110
Standard is quite focused on player removal.

>>96752001
Green isn't a viable color in 60 card formats.

>>96751211
Just make him golgari, since it would also fit his color scheme with his megazord.

>>96752216
colorless eldrazi is the new green and i agree

>>96751813
seethe

>>96752201
And what do control decks do?

>>96752099
In 3.5e you could instakill the boss and it could instakill you back, while in 4e pretty much the only thing you could do was stunlock the HP sponge because everything was so on-rails.

>>96752255
Lose

>>96752255
they die

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>>96751138
There are lots of video games to choose from, but they are allergic to depicting attractive females so they might not do it at all.

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>>96752350
you forget they can't pull black aragorn with games so they'll only do franchises with enough blacks/fags and enough ugly or androgenous female like ff

dmc with le reimagined black vergil and black lady would sink harder than, well, harder than this game already

which leaves us with the question: which franchises have enough hags/fags/blacks in order to be ub'd? i say gaypex legends

>>96752396
you can't convince me gays spend more money on cardboard than straight coomers

the gayest game from recent memory is BG3, they could return to that IP

>>96751058
Benito Mussolini will happen with thr SL FASHY VND FRESHY.

>>96752423
>you can't convince me gays spend more money on cardboard than straight coomers
They demonstrably don't.

I don't think urza is saying they are doing it for financial reasons.

>>96752454
No, retvrn to Blvck Cvnstrvcted with three sets, one for Germany/Japan/Italy, one for the good timeline, and one for Agartha/Hyperborea/Catholic Heaven

>>96752396
>which franchises have enough hags/fags/blacks in order to be ub'd
I would say League, but they'd probably heavily censor or hide the cheesecake

>>96752489
FASHY VND FRESHY SL is how wizards returns to tradition once the fash revolution happens and tel'aviv is leveled to the ground under Aryan boots.
Yeeeep

>>96750300
>Comic Book Guy
>Legendary Creature, Human
>0/5
>Protection from Universes' Beyond cards
>"Worst set ever"

>>96752310
>instakill good
This is why no one plays with you.

>>96752340
>>96752342
Sounds like a healthy format.

>>96752634
There's a reason why Commander is the most played format now

>>96752641
Oh boy a format where I lose 75% of the time playing against go-wide value, engines, and go-wide value engines. So fun. WAIT OMG IS THAT A TWO COLOR CREATURE FOR 3 MAMA THAT DRAW 3 CARDS EVERY TIME I DRAW A CARD?

>>96752656
Get on with the times grandpa. Nowadays even precon commander decks have a couple infinite combos in them, go-wide is not viable anymore.

>>96752676
So magic has boiled down to 4 dudes waiting to see which advertisement piece they control pulls the second piece of their 2 card combo first?

Yeah I'm going to yugioh fuck this

>>96752692
>I'm going to ygo (even worse)

>>96752472
i'm on the "money doesn't exist" part of the loop, all discussions involving money are null and void since money can be anything anywhere anytime so long as you convince enough fools x thing is money, which happens a lot as of late

wotc does it to meet investors expectations/set goals btw

>>96752700
I'm joking, I actually don't know where to get my competitive tcg fix anymore. Seems like everything is either dead or taken over by greed.

>>96752692
Alternatively you could play modern or limited like a normal person

>>96752692
YGO is a 3 turn format at best. Can be fun if you like combos I guess. Pokemon is probably the healthiest right now and has a relatively low barrier of entry (meta decks cost 100-200. a 40 dollar structure deck will get you 80% of the way there)

>>96752717
Wizards ruined Modern a decade ago. Limited is still fun depending on the set

>>96752700
>>96752738
To be fair, at least YGO has cooler art and flavor, the people aren't as salty about boardwipes, and you can play a game with only two people and have a "fair" go

>>96752744
>a decade ago
Jund was still fun

>>96752710
You having no money is not the same as money not existing.

I can’t deal with UB trash…

>>96752676
First time I noticed that was with the WUBG Atraxa deck, which had Ghave and another card I can’t remember. Playing with a slightly modified Precon the day it came out I noticed I got it and had to basically ask another player to kill it to stop me lol.

dead thread
dead game
dead genre

>>96753318
This is urzafag ban evading.

>>96750450
4 years unless WoTC because someone finds out Maro is a kid diddler then we ACCELERATE

The WeeklyMTG stream did a recap of the TMNT panel and Blake did confirm the set's size was 190 main set cards. So slightly bigger than Spider-Man. And unlike Spider-Man it was designed from the start as being this size, apparently, and they're broadly playing around with set size going forward. So for example he said there'll be about 120 more cards released next year than this year, despite next year having one more set. I imagine Hobbit is also similarly small.

>>96752805
You can get a similar experience to early 2010s jund in pauper. It's lacking goyf though

>>96753880
oink oink oink oink oink oink

>>96753941
Should just have modern/pioneer pauper be a format (since a lot of the very old pauper cards are too good), but at that point it’s them flat out admitting that they can’t design a healthy format.

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>>96754134

>>96753880
>190 main set cards.
>slightly bigger than Spider-Man.
But SPM main set had 193 cards.
>it was designed from the start as being this size, apparently, and they're broadly playing around with set size going forward
Oh cool, we're gonna get a bunch of shitty stunted sets because they thought they could make it work.

>>96754222
I mean, we'll see when we see. Spider-Man clearly suffered from being made bigger, but TMNT is ostensibly made at the intended size.

>>96754222
>193
That's with Scryfall counting the basics, I assume Blake meant 190 cards not counting basics.

>>96754222
wow holy shit it's almost like each year, instead of churning out 6 large sets of random unrelated bullshit, they should be focusing on doing something like... I don't know, one large set of mainly reprints, one large set of new ideas, and two smaller sets meant to supplement and expand on those ideas.

Are there good enough proxies that can pass in a large tournament? I dont want to spend 2k on mox diamonds

>>96754355
nigga.

tbqh i couldn't possibly get excited for next product when the game is in a constant state of next product
>wow guys look new set. ARE YOU HYPED? BE HYPED! wow guys look new set! BE HY- wow guys look new set!
You don't even have the fucking time to actually register the constant schizophrenic fever dream like endless stream of products.

Is the perfect mtgpiggy one who is hyped 24/7? Not even from a seller standpoint the constant hyping and preview and hyping and cumming makes any sense.

>>96754471
it's fucking insane. like look at recent discussion, it's a lotta talk about the TMNT set. all the cards they've shown off, et cetera. But that isn't the next set. That's like... three sets out. and I know everyone hates the spider-man set but it literally just released, we've already collectively moved on from it. just like nobody was talking about edge of eternities because we were talking about avatar, or dragonstorm because we were talking about final fantasy before that.

wotc employees entering 4chin and plebit to contain the slop posts and do crowd control...

>>96754516
Yeah it's like you either keep up constantly with the game i.e. can never even take your eyes off of it for a couple days, or you are left years and sets behind.
Naturally everyone wants to partake in discussions and mostly people are going to talk about new thing, but any topic moves so damn fast because wotc just doesn't let anything simmer; it's just a constant, relentless bombardment.

I know absolutely nothing about tarkir or edge from online discussion.. just imagine anyone who hasn't kept up with the game for a month talking about the actually released set but everyone is already 5 sets ahead in discussion and wotc with previews as well.
I mean, if even if you're keeping up with the whole thing, you're going to get your hypeneurons fried in the long run and result in the exact opposite of what wotc seems to want.

>>96754622
I'm 90% sure they're going to be easing off of it over the next couple of years. The product fatigue backlash is much louder than it has been, and none of the IPs they lined up have the marketable pedigree of FF or even LotR

>>96754642
in the meantime we will be subjected to two years of uninterrupted cringe because that's how long it takes to put the brakes on anything in this product's glacial development pipeline, and because MaRo is 1000% convinced that "people" really want to buy "UB" cards, as if "UB" is a type of product that people just "want" regardless of the quality of the crossover, because FF and LotR sold well (never mind that asscreed sold like dogshit)

>>96754471
>Is the perfect mtgpiggy one who is hyped 24/7?
From what I can tell from Blogatog posts and stuff from WotC directly, it seems like the ideal consumer is someone who spends a ton of money on certain sets and little to no money on the sets/products they don't care about. In simple terms, they wait for a set theme or IP they care about a lot, consume spoilers, then consume the product, and then forget about Magic for however many months until the cycle repeats. I have no idea how that's better than making people excited for everything you put to market, but Mark and everyone else at Hasbro seems to believe it's the best way to keep Magic profitable.

For all I know, those types of people could make up the majority of the people that play Magic these days. I, for one, only came back into the game this year because I saw a few cards that I liked from particular sets and I didn't give a shit about anything from the UB sets they released. My sister only plays the game whenever her coworkers have commander night or whenever there's a prerelease (she almost never looks at spoilers). Maybe they're just hoping stringing along a bunch of different audiences with the hopes that each demographic will keep the money flowing when the sets they love the most finally come back around will be the most profitable path for them.

It's probably why they're also fine with thousands of cards being legal in standard at once; the idea is that everything is relatively the same powerlevel of slop in each set, which implies to them you won't have to balance as much as long as everything is basically the same. Based on what we've seen the past few years, they clearly can't pull that off, but they seem to believe they can with what little time they allocate to testing. Then again, their decision to make ban windows more frequent could be a sign that they're realizing they can't and it's a last-ditch effort at correcting obvious design mistakes as they come.

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>>96750273
TES, the setting is piss easy to adapt and if anything has the FF problem of having well more than one full set's worth of relevant characters and events to the point where they could easily double up on it like they're doing with Tolkien, even if they give TESO the Korra treatment (they should)
The guilds basically stat themselves, you've got B Dark Brotherhood, WB Morag Tong, UB Telvanni and Thieves Guild, BR Mythic Dawn, R Fighters Guild, RG Companions, B College, WB Mages Guild, and so on
Fingers of the Mountain as an overcosted burn spell
Plenty of equipment that's easy to work with, both basic shit like Umbra and Goldbrand and gimmickier stuff like the Mask of the Gray Fox phasing something and making a token copy of it
Yagrum Bagarn, probably with blink support
Rakdos Cicero please god I want more clowns
The Princes as Theros-style gods, probably with Sheo flipping into Jyggalag and Azura as Divining Top with a body
Warp in the West as an annoying Sway/Thieves' Auction card
The Last Dragonborn as the obligatory 5c commanderbait (alternatively Tiber Septim)
Three precons named Sons of Skyrim, Jaws of Oblivion, and Moon and Star
I can't for the life of me think of a decent effect for Dagoth Ur/Kagrenac's tools/Heart of Lorkhan/Numidium though

this piece of shit just played a turn 1 Tamiyo against me in MH3 draft
fuck you you motherfucker

>>96751510
>borderlands
Fun gameplay
Questionable Story that gets worse with each sequel
Cringy Dialogue

>>96750221
I bought it.

>>96751058
I could totally see a Power Rangers set happening.

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>>96754751
There was a TES card game, and it wasn't half bad for a while. Then power creep caught up and the game turned to shit.

>>96754837
doesn't hasbro own the IP now? It feels inevitable, unless there's some rights hangup involving the original shows its based on

>>96754216
Oink

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>>96754879
>>96754837
>>96751058
Behold a standard-legal card delivered to you straight from 2027

come play genysys mister magic man, take my hand and taste a superior card game.

>>96755279
play block constructed

>>96755295
what block???

>>96755279
>with gsys you can now play 3 copies of pot of greed and still have 10 points left
literally everyone liked this new format release

>>96755301
well, anything if you have a friend/brother/son/whoever to play it with (sad if you don't)
but if you want online/webcam games, i know there is a community for at least alice (ice age + alliances) and mirage
unfortunately i haven't found a consistent online community for any others :(

>>96755279
the only time I've enjoyed yugioh as an adult is when I played with my shitty deskbot deck in like 2019
considering I also usually run mindless elf tribal that endgames with a craterhoof I think my preferred playstyle is obvious

>>96754751
Considering they did fallout already so there's Bethesda contact, I'd be very surprised if we don't get an Elder Scrolls set in the next couple of years.

>>96755400
I kind of agree but Bethesda is more protective of TES than they are of Fallout since they made it

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I think I am ready to give up on Standard as a format, and possibly 60-card formats in general. For me it's Brawl and Draft formats. I just don't want to play against the Vivi deck. And I am not sure I am going to bother coming back post-ban. I made a Gix Brawl deck, it was kinda fun. Who doesn't love attacking and drawing cards.

>>96755533
Lmao i’m done too but completely. This game is just not worth it anymore.

>>96755533
>For me it's Brawl
brawl is a 60 card format thoughever

>>96755548
Magic as a TCG you play with paper cards doesn't seem as viable currently, but keeping up with Arena as a free-to-player is low-investment enough for me.

>>96755533
i'm like the only guy on planet earth who likes standard brawl apparently

>>96755533
I only play draft/pre release and commander at this point. Standard is so aids that even arena isn't worth playing. Modern is so incredibly fast now, it's basically just legacy minus 10 cards at this point. No one here cares about pauper/oathbreaker/brawl.

Commander, too, is getting very aids. You can't just roll up to your LGS with your silly gimmick deck and have fun any more because you're gonna play against hearthull decks taking 20 minute turns to achieve nothing, the FF commanders which are all over tuned and other slop.

>>96755603
I like it too, it reminds me a lot of duel commander but at a lower power level

>>96754751
>Azura as Divining Top with a body
Now that's some slop I'd oink for.

>>96752717
>modern
Sorry anon I just projectile vomited
What Wotc did to that fornat is unspeakable and proof of their pure hatred for competitive players of a non rotating format
>limited
Still the uncontested goat for now and always, but some draft environments just suck ass to play like mkm. Honestly the most fun limited format I've played in the last couple years was duskmourn. And FF but that was ONLY BECAUSE MY LGS DIDN'T HOST ANY OTHER DRAFT THIS YEAR and I promise to not buy any more slop

>>96750450
Honestly I foresee the whole thing imploding in three years tops

There just aren't that many marketable IPs out there that can become full blown sets
Pokemon isn't going to work with them
Disney's non-Marvel IPs already have TCGs which they won't axe for one or two Magic sets
Same for much of popular anime

In three years time they'll be scrapping the bottom of the barrel

>>96755681
What, are you implying being an alley cum dumpster isn't a sustainable business model? Impossible!

>>96752623
Yes it's way more fun and interesting in 4e where the monster is effectively dead on turn 1 but it takes 10 turns to kill it because it has inflated HP and damage is in the shitter.

>>96752623
>More than one approach to build design is... LE BAD!
4e defenders, everyone.

So with regards to the whole "2026 will only have about 120 more cards than 2025", I think you can reasonably assume 3 of the sets next year will be smaller. TMNT is, we know that, I feel like we can probably assume Hobbit is, and... Between Super Heroes and Star Trek, Star Trek is probably smaller. Strixhaven likely won't be, and it'd be really stupid if the big finale set of Reality Fracture was. Super Heroes, meanwhile, has a LOT of ground to cover while Star Trek DOES have a lot to cover, but the problem is a lot of Star Trek's ground is very 'same-y' in a sense, so making it smaller makes sense.

>>96755824
Hearing an overview of next year just makes me feel so tired, boss.

>>96755824
>I feel like we can probably assume Hobbit is
That's a big assumption when LOTR was the best selling set of all time until FF dropped. Do you REALLY think they won't milk every drop out of Tolkien that they can?

>>96755681
>In three years time they'll be scrapping the bottom of the barrel
I feel like they already are,I mean they announced a furby secret lair which even for a simple nostalgia pander that they didn't have to pay any licensing fees on, still comes off as a little desperate

>>96755836
Well, we know Lorwyn isn't, Reality Fracture probably can't be, Strixhaven is unlikely to be. Super Heroes COULD be but I don't think it will be. And at least 3 next year have to be smaller to make the numbers work out.

>>96755836
Hobbit was way less popular than LOTR, I don't think it's likely, but it's possible it could be a smaller set.

>>96755859
it would be really funny if they made the exact same mistake with the hobbit that the movies did

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>TMNT pizza lands spoiled
I was already planning on it since Hot Dog Cart but I was suddenly motivated to do it right fucking now.

All my cards are gone, bros. Every single one.
I'm free, and about 8,000 dollars more liquid for it.
I'm free. Farewell, frens.
(I'll probably still shitpost though lol nobody's ever truly free)

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>>96755824
2026 is so cooked man. This is beyond salvation even with smaller sets is all so trash i keep wondering to myself “what were they thinking?” then I just found myself considering what an actual competitive deck will look like in this date of 2026 with Spock, Miguelangello or Aang being part of all formats and my only thought is “yeah, fuck them”.

Future is just unbelievable like a bad joke but it’s actually true, a true shit nonetheless.

>>96755949
>2026 is so cooked man.
Even if every single UB set of 2026 is an absolute unfathomable banger with balanced, unique and fresh designs and the best limited format to date, the year's still unsalvageable. The mere presence of so many of these sets simply negates any impact them them being "good" might have. The world's best slop is still slop, and if the world's best slop crammed into your face through a funnel you won't really be noticing how well it was prepared.

>>96755533
>i give up on 60card formats because of vivi
>im going to goonmanda
you're just doing what wotc wanted you to do all along

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haven't seen this bitch in ages, I think I'll go back to putting snow basics in my decks

yes, i buy cards and play by myself
nothing wrong with that

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>mtg made fun of ygo shit format for yeats
>standard is now shit
>pioneer and modern are stuck
>players are hyping a "pre fire modern"
>look inside
>its just time wizard

>>96756498
YGO recently introduced a new format called Genesys that both allows to play all the old broken cards while also banning ALL (Literally 100% of) the post-2014 cancer.

Your reckoning has come, Magicfags.

>>96750450
Napoleon UB when

>>96756531
I am curious.

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>>96756543
It's still mostly high-speed combo flowchart decks, but it's very diverse (The most recent top8 had seven different decks in it) and several non-combo like Odion are Tier 1.

It takes the turbo-cancer combo faggotry that YGO has become and cuts out the cancer, while still leaving the game as giant kaiju boss monster summoning battles, and tones the game down enough for a few non-combo decks to compete and even be top tier.

The game's better than it ever was. Konami literally looked at the cancer that was killing YGO, straight up just said "No" and banned over 500 cards in one giant scythe swing to fix the game.

Magic's days are numbered. Konami has proven they are willing to do what it takes to fix their mistakes, and Hasbro has proven they are narcissistic losers who never admit fault, gaslight their players at every turn so they can continue to make mistakes, then double down on their mistakes while declaring they are successes.

The tides. They are turning.

>>96756571
bro Hasbro is shit but Konami is even shittier, enjoy while you can because THEY will fuck up

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>>96756604
>bro Hasbro is shit but Konami is even shittier,
Not anymore, you second-rate duellist.

>>96756571
So they only fixed it superficially. They took out two of the anime spinoff summoning gimmick mechanics and swapped the forbidden/limited/semi-limited lists for something theoretically better, but it's still the same asymmetrical handtraps & combo slop game that plays nothing like Goat Format.

>>96756571
Can you play that deck that takes 1 hour for a turn to summon the 4000 attack monster that negates the other player's nutsack and fucks his mom?

Synchro era was also cancer

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>>96756571
Thats just canadian highlander

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>>96756609
>>96756613
>>96756628
>The MTG Defence Force leaps out of the woodwork to try to smear their competitors.
Like cogwork.

>>96756638
Unlike you I'm not here to shill a game.

>>96756638
Please understand it takes MtG players 1 hour to figure out what 4+4 equals, which is why WotC only prints autopilot aggro decks anymore.

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>Someone not outright glazing and sucking the cum out of the new thing?! MUST BE SHILLS!

>>96756609
>Goat format player thinks his opinion on anything is valid

>>96756645
>Please understand it takes MtG players 1 hour to figure out what 4+4 equals, which is why WotC only prints autopilot aggro decks anymore.
A good point. One of the hardest of Christ's lessons to truly take to heart, is to not cast your pearls before swine.

>>96752031
>12 hours with no replies
Just a lurker who doesn't actually play, but I appreciate you, anon. Cubes amd draft are based.

>>96756638
>Tired of eating slop? Try slop instead!
>WHAT THE FUCK? YOU DON'T LIKE SLOP? WHAT ARE YOU SOME KIND OF SLOP EATER???

Real yugioh is pre cyber dragon.

>>96756628
CanLander if it was competently designed, maybe.

>>96756661
You are a pig and you eat slop.

>>96756661
>So buckbroken by WotC he now copes by claiming actually everything is slop and WotC makes the best slop

>>96756667
Which is exactly why I used Goat Format as an example. Whether it's the absolute best version of Yugioh is up for debate, but at least it actually plays like Yugioh. Not surprising that shills treat it the same way they treat premodern.

>>96756661
>>Tired of eating slop? Try slop instead!
Anon, YGO has no UB.

>>96756686
>Actually Goat format is REAL YuGiOh
Goat player copium

Real games curated by real gamers:
Premodern
Goat Format

Slop for pigs:
All official MTG formats
All official YGO formats

Real games curated by real gamers:
Hearthstone
Lorcana
Marvel Snap

Slop for pigs:
Everything else

>>96756686
Pre-Cybernetic Revolution you could still play "off-meta" and not just the goodstuff pile and still play the game.
Now if you're not playing specialsummonslop and handtrap omninegateslop, you shouldn't even bother.
Yugioh is like every deck is some variant of U control.

The game truly died with Strike of Neos, because they released Six Samurai.
Nugioh players have never played actual yugioh, just autopilot flowchart slop.

>>96756704
>autopilot
Of all the words to use, this is the least accurate one. The whole crux of YGO's gameplay is deciding what lines to go down based on your opponent's lines.

>>96756698
I hate GOAT and premodern because they refuse to acknowledge that there is good still in these games even if you have to pan for it like a gold prospector, nevermind that they gloss over all the shit of their own eras. cube is the only real GOAT format

>>96756718
>I am a pig who eats slop and I'm sad that there's people who can't see the good in slop

>>96756716
>no its not autopilot because you can decide what i-win cards you can play
you don't even get to play the game if you don't have 3 ash on your opponent's first turn
what the hell are you talking about?

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>>96756740
>you don't even get to play the game if you don't have 3 ash on your opponent's first turn
Dark Ruler No More > Raigeki

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>just draw the out bro
>goes -2 to wipe the board
>opponent's second hand effects go off
>have to probably play through handtraps as well
told you nugioh players really only know how to autopilot and flowchart

>>96756769
>goes -2 to wipe the board
+3 idiot.

I hate modern magic because it used to be good, I feel indifferent to modern yugioh because it always kinda sucked. if I wanna play weebshit I'll dig out some old duel masters cards

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>>96756604
>Hasbro is shit but Konami is even shittier

>>96756780
That's how I feel. Yugioh is hilarious and I'll always love the theatrics of the show but as a game it's mediocre at best. I've had more fun making up card games than playing yugioh.

>>96756769
>Opponent invests 4 cards into their endboard
>You invest 2
>This is going -2
Truly the mind of an MtG player that thinks their little mouse getting Fatal Pushed is the holocaust.

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>nooo i'm going +3 because my fictional example is an opponent that has no outs and will also kiss my on my hot mouth when i win!
He's at 3 now.
Take the L and admit none of you modern ygo players actually know how to play the game; you just know layer 1 interactions you get from the paid discord flowcharts

lmao

>>96756814
Tell me what the out to SPoly is.

Tell me why they removed duel puzzles from yugioh games

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>MTG is so shit that literally everyone in the thread would rather discuss YGO the moment it is brought up.
It is so, and I say this with utmost honesty,
over

ygotards came in MY general and showed they can't play their own game
i had to show em my big pots

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>>96756827
i quit ygo the moment tearlament came out and haven't looked back

still waiting for its mtg equivalent so i can be free

you can only powercreep so much

>>96756845
no bro brooo you dont get it
just darkrulernomoreraigekigo+3
brooo

>>96756849
>Man who thought his board was safe gets Raigeki'd and begins to spasm uncontrollably
Many such cases.

>>96756845
You're still playing after Lurrus was printed. You are a pig that will eat the slop forever.

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>y-y-yyoure spasming!
I play jewgen in attack position.
GG.

>>96756877
My turn?
Dark Ruler No More > Raigeki

Pass turn.

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>raigeki
No

>>96756888
He didn't set any Trap Cards, anon.

he didn't draw any dark ruler or raigeki

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Soon MTG will reach the quality level of an early 2000s Newgrounds video

>>96756912
Ultimate Showdown of Ultimate Destiny UB is MTG's final form.

>>96756898
Yes I did, I just played them.