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Just one win… to take the edge off

>>96759580
TQ: I'd quit if I was forced to always play with randos. Though it is starting to look like that may be my future so my days are probably numbered there.

>>96759580
TQ: Just one person; the only person I've played MtG with in years. A couple of our friends got interested in the game recently because of Final Fantasy, so we might actually have a regular group for playing EDH.

>>96759592
Same. It's a mixed bag where the bad outweighs the good overall.

>TQ:
>Do you usually play with the same group?
yes and sometimes we use rule zero
>what about randoms?
also yes and we all use brackets because we know better than to argue about things we'll never agree on so we just go with what wotc says as a compromise
QED

>>96759603
I've still yet to meet these randos who actually use brackets strictly.

>>96759580
TQ: I only go to the LGS if one of my coworkers goes; I don't like going alone. I found one group of zoomers that we end up playing with most of the time since they don't complain as much unless it's counterspells, of course. I try to avoid randos as much as possible since this is where all the autism happens. I have never seen such sperging until playing Notion Thief, Opp Agent, or even thinking about using Strip Mine. Even Farewell makes them seethe. I can't stand that crap, so I'll play with the zoom zooms.

>>96759606
tell me where you and those randos are so i can crush them to the ground with cedh blue farm

I only play with randos in events with specific rules or when I know before hand if he will use combos or not. Otherwise, I play every wednesday with my friends.

>>96759620
They're still going to ask your power level, anon. They just don't arbitrarily stick to the bracket system because it is arbitrary and doesn't make much sense and doesn't lead to good games.

>>96759643
define power level
what's cedh, what's not?
no using brackets system definition btw

>>96759643
>muh arbitrary
i'd sooner follow the owner of the game wotc than some rando, like who died and made you king lmao

>>96759664
Gavin and Rachel Weeks are not the owners of MTG and the game got shit when Gavin was let out of containment.
He is literally why you have Doctor Literallywho cards

>>96759580
I play at LGS with a relatively fixed group of people but random pods. Its good. If it doesnt work for you youre likely the issue.

>>96759643
Pubstompers will always try to pubstomp, anon.

Just keep an eye out for yourself and they'll come back online to complain about casual players rightfully excluding them from their groups.

>>96759668
gavin is just a representative of the owners, what they say is word of god because uess what wotc said so by virtue of putting him in his current position
please don't be retarded just because you're losing this argument

>>96759680
You're trying too hard to troll.

>>96759643
Everything is arbitrary if you want it to be anon. Bracket system is clearly thought out, reasoned and evolving. Far from arbitrary.

>>96759637
but anon what if he lies and pubstomps?
Which would never happen in brackets because no one would dare just ignore it and play whatever mid game. Didn't we have a guy doing that last thread?

>>96759676
>yet another post saying pubstompers are excluded
>never a peep about card sharks being able to exclude just as well and filthy casuals whining they can't get a game where they're not crushed
kek

>>96759711
Actual cedh players self segregate quite well, actually.

>>96759710
>lie about PL
>nothing happens
>lie about BL nothing happens but at least people can point to an objective metric for the lying retard

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>>96759697
>oh no i lost!
>uh... ur a troll!

>those people who join an established group and then tries to change how the group functions or decide what cards this existing group may use
These people should die

>>96759723
If I say I don't have infinites when asked and then have them there is literally no difference and an objective thing to point to because I lied on something objective. You honestly seem new to the game.

>>96759710
It's easy enough to just avoid playing with them again.

>>96759722
>never a mention about players whose decks are too weak for cedh but too strong for the average bracket 2 power level deck
>oh i guess we should let them crush casuals then
hahahaha

>>96759580
When I'm in town I play with friends, when I'm out of town I go out of my way to play at stores I've never been to before.
My friends are sweaty, randos almost always are the extreme end of casual. I enjoy both.
The only downside to random metas is sometimes you have to deal with trannies, furries and other such undesirables.
Last week I played in some random town in buttfuck nowhere wisconsin and some guy sits down at our pod in a full fursuit minus the head
Dumbass kept dropping his cards cause his mits were too big
I gotta say wisconsin is a beautiful state with good disc golf and fishing but something is very wrong with the people who live there.
I swear there are higher % of trannies living in the cornfields of wi than in chicago

>>96759745
I've met quite a few bracket 4 pods that don't play cedh, and they stick together well too.

>>96759762
>US
There's your problem

>>96759745
Uh oh the retard is back

>>96759726
Realizing your friends have no spine is the worst part

>>96759762
Must be the fluoride in the water lol.

But in all seriousness, that's pretty interesting to hear. Have you found places that were good overall? Always assumed that going to less populous venues would be an improvement in the people you meet, but I guess craziness is universal nowadays.

>>96759618
>Opp Agent
This is my personal limit. I own the card and it would actually fit my commander but I dont run it because I know it would cause butthurt

>>96759763
>i've never experienced pubstomping
>therefore pubstomping doesn't exist so segregating decks isn't needed
bwahahaha

Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)

>>96759731
This is an incomprehensible post. Finish your English classes and try again please.

>>96759580
semi-random: fnm regulars at my lgs
same: my brother and his friends

>>96759723
Bro my casual battlecruiser deck is technically a 3 but in reality its probably worse than average precons nowadays. If you tried to argue that technicality with me, Id beat the shit out of you with my actual high power deck

>>96759818
NTA, but that strawman works in reverse too.
>I keep getting pubstomped
>Therefore, pubstomping is a problem EVERYWHERE!

>>96759871
Then play it against 3s or make it a 2 not very complicated.

>>96759881
He's a retard. Don't bite the bait lol.

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>>96759808
Chicago and her suburbs have the best most well rounded meta, iowa and indiana are pretty close to WI in that tend to be casual with pockets of cedh exclusive shops. I think despite the issues WI casual tables are my second favorite, they tend to be friendlier, more creative and more easily impressed than other metas.
I played against this elemental/warrior tribal kresh deck last year that was super wonky but somehow worked. You just dont get that kind of thing in more tuned metas.

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>>96759618
The only card I have ever cast that caused seethe was worldfire. And I just death stare the faggot who begins whining and begin acting extremely insulting to them.

>>96759881
>earthquakes only happen somewhere
>therefore we shouldn't do anything because they don't happen everywhere
you are an idiot AND a public safety risk kekw

>>96759888
I do play it against 3s sometimes. And no, Im not going to remove my obe GC just because turboautists get triggered over there being one good card in my deck (which is frankly not even that great at low power tables)

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96759901

>>96759896
I dont see how people could be too mad about this one. Because its not like the game is going to keep going. Its basically over

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>I will not reply to schizoposts
I will not reply to schizoposts

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>>96759904
>i'm not going to remove my one GC because of retarded reasons
>no i don't want to pay the consequences of my actions, treat my b3 as b2 pleaaaaseeeeee

>>96759762
>When I'm in town I play with friends, when I'm out of town I go out of my way to play at stores I've never been to before.
Unironically MTG as Garfield intended

>>96759909
>can't even give a (You) now
utterly BTFO

>>96759917
>>i'm not going to remove my one GC because of retarded reasons
Yes, because my deck has a self imposed restriction in construction which makes it inherently weak. But the one GC actually meets my criteria so I run it. Gavin, plz go. No one cares about your gay [[]]

>>96759904
The "turboautist" here is you anon.

>>96759580
https://moxfield.com/decks/IaqXdIGnSUygxAOnE_Qs1g
Golbez chads are you guys here?
I was motivated to make the UBurakos list after seeing some of the Golbez lists. I do kind of want to try this out. Im not sure if itll be better than Orzhov, but Time Sieve could be totally naughty if people let me get away with it.

>>96759943
Nooooo you cant just identify as a B2 when you run a GC. Can amd will. You arent transphobic are you?

>>96759983
there are only 5 brackets
there are only 2 genders

What do you guys do if multiple decks need the same cards, and said cards are expensive? Stuff like shocks, fetches, and so on.

>>96759983
Thank you for immediately proving the turboautist accusation

Next week Gavin will talk about the bracket system on weekly mtg. Will this be anything but a nothingburger?

>>96760054
Scribble on the back of art cards for lands. Try to find alternatives for others (unless I already have two or more copies of the card and am running them).

>>96760093
>Will this be anything but a nothingburger?
finally he's doing his job instead of watching dr. who at least

>>96760114
I'll have you know Gavin is busy inserting his commander ideas into standard legal sets.

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>TQ
I usually play with the same group of friends but sometimes we'll see someone alone at the LGS and ask if they'd like to play a few rounds.

>>96759930
are you going to explain that to your group, or just sperg out about?

>>96760079
NTA but you do realize that decks identifying as w/e bracket they want was literally part of 'the article'

>>96760159
>NTA but I am also a retarded autist
You two should be friends!

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I took my Tifa deck to the local 40 person cEDH tournament. I didn't win a single round but did get many 1 player kills. I was generally left alone by other players and hardly anyone was running much creature removal so I was able to land atleast 1 Tifa 1hko every game. My strategy was to target the cockiest annoying yappers. When they tried to accuse me of kingmaking, or negotiating with others to use interaction to save them, I asked them if they had a game interaction the called a judge to make them shut up. After my turn, the table always combo'd out and someone else won before I could get to my next turn. It was satisfying, but I made a lot of enemies at that store as the people I killed got extremely butthurt that I "kingmade" and called the judge on them. I had a good time but I wouldn't do it again as it was $30 entry and realistically I had no shot at winning games in that meta with the deck I brought.

>>96760150
I tell my group this is "low power" and thats it. Not a single person has ever had a melty over it

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>>96760168
>I asked them if they had a game interaction then called a judge to make them shut up.
Everyone in this story sounds annoying

>>96760168
"cEDH" you mean competitive monopoly?

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Not a game changer

Hope the jund precon for lorwynn is good, ive been meaning to build a 3 color goblin deck but saruman gets boring after a while

the card is shit and would be a dollar rare if it wasnt on the reserved list and from legends.

>>96760194
Game 1 the guy I declared my attack step against (he wore several rings and pinky rings+had pink and green hair that's why I attacked him first) spent nearly 10 minutes during the declare blockers step trying to convince me not to attack him, then asking other players to save him, then accused me of kingmaking and said I was cheating and "didn't understand the format". After that I said fuck it and called the judge to shut people up as soon as the yapping began.

>>96760231
>>96760217
You forgot anon I got you

>>96760238
alright nevermind that seems reasonable

>>96760238
Kingmaking is the answer to the cedh draw meta.

>>96760168
>cedh
>with a tifa deck
Why would you even consider doing that? Cedh is for thoracle wanking.

>>96760238
>(he wore several rings and pinky rings+had pink and green hair that's why I attacked him first)
Damn, thats based af

>>96760253
Clearly he did it to own the libs if you read his latest post

>>96760253
I did it for fun and also to see if my biases and preconceived notions against cedh players were true. Also I'm a griefer and like ruining the dreams of tryhards at tournaments. I knew realistically I had no chance to win but wanted to see what would happen.

>>96760251
There is no cedh draw meta.
>>96760168
>>96760238
These are larp posts btw

>>96760168
Not that familiar with the format, but what is "kingmaking"? I bet something blue control players do, I respect Tifa's straightforward punch everyone approach.

>>96760274
>see if my biases and preconceived notions against cedh players were true
What were these preconceptions, and which ones were true?

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>>96760285
>Not that familiar with the format, but what is "kingmaking"?

>ready to build a new deck
>hesitant to hop on TCG and order cards after they fucked my last order

>>96759911
I think a lot of people believe if it is cast then the player is just trying to be a little shit turning the game into a coinflip.
I have personally never seen this happen. Worldfires are always cast with some follow up ready.

>>96760297
UB is at fault for the influx of tourists.

>>96760168
>complaining about how people win in a competitive tournament
Such people should not join tournaments.

The key to winning is to abuse OP cards over and over like crazy

>>96760306
That is commander in general

>>96760291
That they're tryhard turbospergs who can't cut it in regular competitive formats so they went to cEDH where they can larp as their favorite cedh youtuber and politick endlessly instead of play the actual game. I was proven right for the most part, but some people were cool.
>>96760284
The American Cedh format incentivizes playing for draws. The format you love is a clownshow. Everyone was just colluding for draws as soon as they realized they couldn't win.

>>96759580
I have one dedicated group I play with exclusively. I bring a new deck every week but they always assume it has some tricksy bullshit in it and that will suddenly win me the game and I usually end up the Archenemy most of the time even with mid power decks. It's fine though because they're good fun.

>>96760284
>There is no cedh draw meta
Completely and laughably wrong

>>96760321
Duel commander is by far the superior competitive commander format compared to cedh.

Brackets still suck

>>96760327
>guy shows up with a deck which I don't know what it does every week
>I guess I'm gonna bonk him a little more than the others because of unknown unknowns
this thought process from three people is why you end up as archenemy

>>96760321
>everyone was just!
All tournament stats suggest otherwise. Draws happen. They are not the majority. You have absolutely no idea what youre talking about.

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Sleeper stax hit

>>96760409
You're in deep denial bro. The big cedh tournaments are all about colluding for draws to get top 8 or top 16, then politicking and yap spamming. Draws are literally incentivized by the tournament formats.

>>96760409
delusional

>>96760442
Trash card, even in EDH. Nowhere near worth the 20 dollar price tag it has now.

>>96760445
Guys I think we found the tryhard turbosperg who wants to larp as his favorite cedh youtuber.

>>96760445
>>96760451
Again. All tournament stats state otherwise. The only thing you can point to (and what your entire position is hinged upon) is the sabertooth drama, which was drama specifically because it was out of the ordinary.

>>96760466
Please make better posts

>>96760466
>>96760476
Guys I think we triggered the tryhard cedh turbosperg who wants to larp as his favorite cedh youtuber.

>>96760489
Please get better at Magic.

>>96760284
>There is no cedh draw meta

>>96760485
based

>>96760168
people going around kingmaking (yes that's what you were doing) and taking out people is not a hit against cedh, but against any FFA game

>>96760526
Guys I think we triggered the tryhard cedh turbosperg who wants to larp as his favorite cedh youtuber.

>>96760494
>>96760548
weird mental breakdown

>>96760548
lol i was only calling out what he was doing, not that what he was doing was "wrong"
any FFA game can be upended by anyone who doesnt care about price of admission and just wants to do whatever, it is what it is (i also don't play cedh)

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>>96760499
>haha ur a tryhard
>also get better at a children's card game scrub

>>96760572
Magic gets weird when you get away from 20 life and 1v1.

>>96760588
If you can't tell, multiple people are shitting on you.

>>96760593
correct and this is why i personally prefer bracket 2/3 even though i could easily play cedh if i wanted, only because at least in the lower brackets the risk of answering a threat from player A at the cost of player B winning the game is reduced considerably

it would be funny if they banned consultation and similar in the next year update

>>96760606
if you can't tell those multiple people are retarded and so are you

>>96760616
I don't see why they would, but it would be funny. Wonder how many death threats will be sent then.

>>96760526
Lol I'm just playing the game bro
>>96760563
This ain't even me broski

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Whoa, check this Hobbit leak!

>>96760655
ecks
dee

>>96760168
>I didn't win a single round but did get many 1 player kills.
Based

>People unironically question if spider-man, TMNT, or Star Trek have "enough content" for a full set
>no one questions how the fuck a 310 page book will fill an entire set

>>96760303
Buy cards irl, buying decks whole-cloth is cringe

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>>96760655

>>96760671
I dont think anyone doubts that StarTrek could fill a set

>>96760695
I've seen people state it

>>96760606
If you cant tell this one guy is ruining the thread, stop replying to him

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>tutor that looks for other tutor

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>>96760671
>look at FF
>full of heroes and villains with their own gimmicks and storylines, ready to be slotted into specific colors
>look at spiderman
>oh look it's just a bunch of spidermen variants, booooring
>look at TMNT
>oh look it's the four turtles and a bunch of two-bit villains
>look at star trek
>uh, khan i guess? picard? william shatner?
it aint the same
standard UB sets are ensemble or bust, picrel

>>96760716
Retard tier post

>>96760696
Then they dont really watch Star Trek. Trek has 4+ different series, several seasons in each, and each epsiode often has new one-off enemies.

There are so many possible Trek characters, youd have to not know the series to think it would struggle to fill a set

but Gavin and Nosewater will probably fuck it up regardless

>>96760696
There are 257 episodes of star trek from tes and ng alone
Whoever said that is not hip to it

>>96760719
star trek sucks sorry bro, why do you think paramount merged with skydance

>>96760727
There are 60 years of spidey comics and like 60+ spin off comics and people literally say spider-man couldn't have enough

The set that "couldn't have enough" was LOTR. As evidenced by like 5 frodos and gandalfs and theodens.

>federation: white-blue-green
>klingons: white-black-red
>romulans: white-black-green

>>96760737
Romulans would be Sultai if anything

Klingons = Red
Vulcans = Blue
Feds = White/Green
Romulans = Black

>>96760676
He is beloved by all and he says he will never die and he dances and he will never die.

>>96760723
It's going to be all nuTrek and Captain Kirk memes

>>96760734
>people literally say spider-man couldn't have enough
they are correct because all you're getting is more versions of spiderman, the franchise is creatively bankrupt and it really shows in an mtg set no matter how good the mechanics are
meanwhile LotR is chock full of larger than life characters and creatures, which is the key thing that's needed in a standard UB set

>>96760737
>romulans
>not blue
Romulans are literally just azorius in space

>>96760734
I have never read a comic so I can't comment on how much "there" there is in any given issue. For all i know they printed the same 12 stories over and over again for 60 years.
For star trek you could easily make a card for every episode if not 2. There is a lot of meat on those bones.

>>96760737
Kardassians - Esper
Bajorans - Naya
Q - Grixis
Borg - Colorless / ??
Maquis - Gruul

>>96760778
SHUT THE FUCK UP!

>>96760806
borg are dimir, being a race of theiving zombies

>>96760800
>For all i know they printed the same 12 stories over and over again for 60 years.
you are correct and spiderfags will twist themselves into pretzels to avoid admitting this

>>96760778
>It's going to be all nuTrek and Captain Kirk memes
Probably. I better not see any lower drek or I wont consoom.

>>96760812
Borg are mono white, pure distilled order and also the bad guys

none of you here are real trek fans
why wouldn't the federation be all colors? i want to sac my red shirts for profit!!

>>96760829
I could see this

>>96760825
mono white doesn't have theft though, and assimilating other people is the borg's whole thing. the federation is closest to white for being a bunch of space jannies dedicated to not allowing anyone else to have fun.

>>96760829
star trek is honestly fucking gay and the only reason people like it is because there was nothing better at the time

>>96760844
so that's why the king of jordan is a star trek fan

>>96760733
cuz paramount failed to make a good star trek for 20 years

100% chance there's a card named The Wrath of Khan

>>96759580
>TQ
I basically only play with friends. That's why I got into it in the first place. But after going to a few pre-release events I'm tempted to go and play against randoms. Seems like most people are fine but still feels like more of a crapshoot than just playing with ppl I know I'm gonna have fun with.

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>>96760846
Back in the day they did
See preacher and pic related
Also jaws is red so whatever
Also assimilating isnt doesnt have to be theft
It could be something like darlsteel mutation but then also cards that care about how many creatures you have "mutated"

>>96760829
>why wouldn't the federation be all colors? i want to sac my red shirts for profit!!
They will be, but in general Fed will lean towards being Bant colors. But definitely there will be some WUBRG matters in the Fed

Borg are sans-green
Federation is sans-black
Klingon are sans-blue
Romulans are sans-red
Dominion is sans-white

>>96760588
>children's card game
I hate YGO abridged for making this gay phrase into a meme.
We've had cards with a living person willingly committing cannibalism, someone with their face stitched shut, ghost nipple pokies, a dude with a hole in his head, cops turning people away from a bloody crime scene, etc etc etc.

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>>96760881
You forgot the wall of tortured living flesh made of various organs ripped out of people including a woman's womb complete with baby inside

>>96760881
That's the exact kind of grimdark edgelord shit little kids love. Second graders watch demon slayer, 12 year old watch madoka. Tryhard edge lord shit you describe is for children.

>>96760881
>>96760892
>OMG LE GORE
Just because YGO is targeted at 12 year olds doesn't mean Magic hasn't been targeted towards 15 year olds for its entire existence

>>96760881
ok, guy who never got over being 16

>>96760881
Awwww somewon is supah mad abwout pwaying a childrens cawd gayme

>>96760868
Resistance is useless
1w
Enchantment aura
Enchanted creature is an artifact borg creature in addition to its other types
Taps colorless
Loses all other abilities and is a 1/1
You may have any number or resistance is useless cards in your deck

Borg cube
Legendary Artifact vehicle
Crew 6
Warp 10 (can only be blocked by creatures with Warp value equal to or greater than it) (I know warp was already used shut up)
You may only crew with borg
You may crew borg cube using opponents creatures enchanted with with resistance is useless
21/21
Borg cube can be your commander

>>96760920
you dont need to write "borg cube can be your commander" because legendary vehicles may already be a commander

>>96760898
Excuse you I was 15 when I watched Madoka

>>96760892
I know I missed mentioning a lot of shit. I missed the joke set with "Ass" puns and "penis" in the flavor text. I missed the two golden monkeys having sex. I missed Earthbind.
There's a lot that I can't remember off the top of my head, and I'm glad for that. Once upon a time the flavor of this game had teeth, and now that the hobby is pretty much memed as "lOl tHiS hAs cArdS so iTs fOr kIds (and man children because who else is spending $500 on a card)" to the point where even the designers have pretty much sanded off all the edge.

It's lame.

>>96760920
>Resistance is useless
Futile*

>>96760898
>>96760902
>>96760909
>>96760911
>t. edhbabbies called out for buying Spongebob

>>96760881
Besides that, it's a complicated card game and most kids are a bit dumb

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>>96760930
What do you mean bro it still has teeth

>>96760926
thats only because it came out when you were 15

>>96760934
Holy cow lmao
I knew I'd make a dumb mistake
Ive got that stomach flu thats going around
Im laying on the bathroom floor phone posting

>>96760938
only kids who are disinterested are dumb, kids who are into something take the time to understand those things

>>96760937
shouldnt you be interested in the iron maiden sld? its right in your aesthetic wheelhouse

>>96760952
surprisingly insightful post

>>96760168
This is why cEDH is cancer

>>96760948
Feel better anon

>>96760920
I was too lost in the sauce
If I want RIF'd creatures to crew i cant make them dorks

>>96760878
this one actually makes sense, but wotc flat out does not have the balls to make a 4c-themed UB set

>>96760960
Hell yeah. I ordered one because the aesthetics are cool. I'd probably buy a Ghost Secret Lair too if WotC got the balls to make it.

>>96760979
liking iron maiden is fine, the music is good. ghost stinks tho.

>>96760924
Is this a EOE change?

>>96760985
boomer

>>96760988
Yes.

>>96760992
it just sucks bro, its fine to like a bad thing but dont get it twisted that it is bad

>>96760985
There are a lot of eras of ghost
Some are a lot better than others, but all boil down to being 14 and angsty
Thats not the worst thing in the world
I still like linkin parks first two albums + reanimation.

>>96761007
then maybe I've only heard from the bad eras, because the three(?) ghost songs I've ever heard were not for me

>>96760997
Super dumb
I guess i could make a parhellion 2 deck then

>>96761007
Ghost is silly, not angsty

>>96760978
>4c-themed UB set
The amount of damage that would do to commander is so great that I am sure it is actively being planned

>>96761025
We kinda need one, 4c commanders are in extremely short supply

>>96761017
The ghost enjoyers I know do not feel that way

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>>96761025

>>96761025
>we finally get consistent, memorable slang for the 4c identities
>it's fucking Trek factions
I almost want it even if all 4c shit is a wretched mistake

>>96760985
Agree to disagree on that.

>>96761035
Go see them live or watch a recording of a concert play of Miasma and tell me they're supposed to be 100% edgy.
It's okay to be both. It's okay to have a bit of edge. It's okay to have Bloomburrow in the same game as the Phyrexians. It's the contrast that gives both life, and that's lost. We don't have any edge anymore other than designated exceptions like Duskmourn, and for the most part people seem fine with that because cHiLrDrEns cArd gAmE xD. It's a boring direction to see the game take that also explains a lot of the jarring tie-ins.

>>96761030
>short supply
Good.
highlander formats have historically had a 4c problem
I really hope wotc understands this, and understands that color identity is basically the only thing really holding the format together
I would like to see more of a design change where legendary creatures tend to be stronger the fewer colors they have
This is obviously incompatible with 60 card formats so maybe just cards printed for commander.
Smaller card pool -> more room for powerful commander
Bigger card pool -> less room for powerful commander

>>96761078
wotc fundamentally does not understand shit about why commander works
Printing Jeska's Will and Fierce Guardianship is proof enough of that

>>96761068
If you want grimdark edgelord aesthetics just play 40k bro

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>>96761046

>>96761078
>legendary creatures tend to be stronger the fewer colors they have
The only real way to justify this is to make them have more pips.
And we can't have that, because this isn't a format for tradeoff balances, this is for big splashy group plays, so why shouldn't every monocolor card be played in every deck of its color identity? Just swap those pips for some generic cost, then bump up the statline. What, people like Syr Konrad enough to run him, it'll be fine!

>>96760812
Borg should be colorless just like cybermen

>>96761096
If you don't want to read two paragraphs of text go play Madden.

Trekkies there is only one prediction worth thread cred.
For all the bragging rigjts:

Will Data be given human creature typing

>>96760881
BUT MY MEME

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>>96761068
Honestly I think the whole concept of "edgy" has been a bad influence on culture. Like, anything that's grim or morbid in any way gets tarred with that brush, and sanitised media is generally favoured (by producers, if not necessarily by creatives or audiences), and people excuse it because any remotely darker theme - visual or otherwise - is "edgy".

>>96760992
>thing is bad if old
MTG is literally a gen x game designed for people now in their 50's. Prof is like 47.

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>>96761035
It's a bunch of dudes who dress up as b-movie satanism stereotypes and play Eurythmics covers and Scooby-Doo chase music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hcfmwnhz5w

>>96761068
Honestly a lot of the black hole shit in EOE comes off way spookier and more sincere than shit like the razorkin in DSK, though the Fears etc are pretty great horror material
I think what you're describing is more due to the lack of a central antagonist faction currently, because when you look at the most striking "edge" in Magic it's usually got something to do with either the Eldrazi or the Phyrexians (both OG and New) and there's not much of that right now. There are oneshot darker factions but when you have to dedicate so much time to establishing what they are you don't get as much room to depict what they're doing. I'm expecting one or the other to come back in Reality Fracture, though probably different in nature.

>>96761125
Oh fuck
That's a good question, I stopped watching trek after TNG did any other show touch on this theme? I imsgine picard did but lol imagine watching that

>>96760960
I did get the Iron Maiden lair because the album art is sick as fuck. And the other one had better value than the demonic tutor lair.

>>96760952
Kids who are dumb get disinterested because they don't get it (and therefore they are unable to enjoy it enough to create the dopaminergic behavioral loop that keeps them engaged). It goes both ways, some are too dumb and others just don't care.

>>96761131
>sanitized media is prefer
The 4 out of 5 of the largest shows I can think of in the past 15 years are all gore fests that'd put 80's slashers to shame and would 100% get an NC-17 if they were films.

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>>96761125
Fuck me I genuinely don't know

>>96761125
Two sided to avoid controversy
Were here to make money not make statements unless those statements also make us money

>>96761193
retard

>>96761125
Human Android

>>96761125
Kinda hard to say. In a thematic sense data is a sentient being and learns a lot about humanity but he is a android. I think they're gonna do both like how Spiderman did where it's Human Android creature typing like spider human hero. same with spock probably having Vulcan Human as creature typing.

>>96761125
If he is printed with human subtyping ill buy a copy, eat it and post it here

At the end of the day I really hope these LGS stories of people bullying UB lovers are fake. I despise the UB sets but reverting back to middle school antics is just ridiculous.

>>96761231
He's not human, that was never part of the dilemma
Is he alive that's the question

>>96760881
>dude gore lmao
Stupid MF there're various reasons to answer the "children card game" acusations and the best you answer is gore?
Bitch KYS now

>>96761260
Sorry, we are no longer in an era of civility

>>96761261
Hmm yeah fair it should just say android.

>>96761264
He is right that this isn't a children's card game and portraying it as such is retarded

Here's some more things
MTG never had a literal children's show airing on Kids WB
MTG has never been marketed nor had an age suggestion of literal children. No pack is saying 3+

>>96761302
MTG is PG-13 prove me wrong

>>96761260
They are fake because no one wants to risk a banning from their LGS

>>96761131
I agree entirely and think this ties into a larger problem that a lot of media, and its consumers, are afraid of sincerity, and that's created a lot of scub to the point where people don't even know what "edgy" is.

>>96761165
>shows
This is another reason everyone spamming "children's card game" pisses me off. It pushes the idea that, inherently, certain forms of media by their existence are tailored for specific ages. It's why we (typically) don't get good animation aimed at adults unless it's some overcompensating hot garbage. It's a retarded presumption that crumbles when you look at it, and doesn't reflect the actual playerbase. Kids aren't watching Game of Thrones, but they're spending $500 on a single Magic card? What? When was the last time you saw a kid playing at your LGS? They're not outnumbering the adult playerbase, so why copy over a stupid meme made to parody a card game advertised to children over to every single other card game in existence? It's retarded.

>>96761260
A huge portion of the posts seething about UB and no I don't mean just "disliking UB", you know exactly what I'm referring to are from thirdworlders who either don't play period or only play on Arena.

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>tfw I just scooped and left the LGS just now

I played my parnesse deck, ended up doing a 10 copy show and tell, wheeled, everyone dumped 2-3 hands worth of stuff onto the board. I then gave everyone a scheming symmetry

Next turn, guy casts farewell, then teferi's, and uses fow/pact to stop me from countering farewell. It just pisses me off. I figured there would be a combo or something cool, nope just faggy farewell shit.

>>96761264
>Willing human cannibalism
>Ghost nipple pokies
Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit.

>>96761313
How about you prove it's still worthy of that? What was the most gruesome card art from Murders of Karlov Manor? What was the conventionally sexiest card you've seen in the last few years?

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>>96761350
lol CRY

>>96761350
The fun of edh is variance
Sometimes the table gets something cool
Sometimes you get blown out
Try not to be such a baby about it
>partners
Lol

>>96761379
>partners
?

>>96761365
>>96761379
Yeah, so I could have easily won, I'm just pissed that they cheesed so hard for a ... faggy win in a low powered game.

>>96761354
The borderless tifa lockhart literally had bowling ball tits and a crop top.

>>96761389
I thought he misspelled partners because i didnt recognize parnesse
My bad

>>96761319
>>96761332
Wrong. Im a red blooded American and I despise UB. When I saw this boomer playing his 4th Doctor / Sarah deck at MY lgs, I told him that I was going to exclusively target him. He smiled and said its fine although Im mistaken abput his deck being powerful. I played my voltron Rograkh deck and swung everything at him. He smugly said GG after I killed him and began shuffling his deck, so I told him I would do it again next game and called him a UB tourist. This worried him and his demeanor changed right away. He was no longer smiling and I could tell he was feelibng properly shamed by my righteous words. He stood up from the table and joined another pod. So I got up and folliwed him to his other game and saw he was playing Aragorn (you know the one). I asked him if Aragorn reminded him of his wifes boyfriend and that really got to him. He started asking for a judge and called the owner over. The owner was on my side of course and just shrugged and said there is freedom of speech not freedom from consequences. The old boomer said he felt uncomfortavle and left the store. The pod cheered because he was also angleshooting brackets and no one liked him

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I love how in these stories the UB players is always utterly incapable of fighting back or handling anyone targeting them. How strange. Go ahead and target me anon. I pack 10 board wipes and 15 counters. You're never casting anything or having it stick.

I always shove 10+ pieces of removal in my decks just cause powercreep is so bad.

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>>96761407

I once saw someone use a unapproved UB and I was so mad I shit on the table.

>>96761420
>no decklist
To be fair your deck doesnt exist so he wins by default
Go ahead, prove me wrong
And the average ub player just picked up the game and probably sucks

>>96761430
Welcome to 2013 anon

>>96761441
Erm, this totally never happened.

>>96761441
>unapproved UB
>implying

>>96761456
It did. One guy was even like "NO NO NO PLEASE STOP! THAT'S A REAL CRADLE!" But he shouldn't have played Gandalf in his bant deck

>>96761393
Wow... a crop top. My poor Amish heart can't take a little bit of bare belly.

>>96761466
Avatar, FF, and 40k are approved.

NGL I like ninja turtles which red blooded american boy doesn't. But they really dropped the ball on Raphael and April. Shredder looks cool as always but like wtf man seriously the Sai's are offensive now??

>>96761476
Naw m8 its all shit
Especially 40k, that's a big lol from me

>>96761441
Most believable UB-hate story

Im NTA, I really like UB, but its bad at my LGS. I showed up with my Cosmic Spider deck and the whole table turned against me. They kept calling me names and targeting me exclusively. I talked to the store owner and he pointed to the shelf behind him. I noticed that there were all sorts of UW sets, but no spiderman. No Who, no Fallout precons... Then I saw what he was pointing at: a sign which read UB tourists not welcome. I was so distraught I ran crying from the LGS. Im trans btw, if that matters

>>96761524
This happened to me and I told the owner and he got pissed and banned the guys.
Owners don't like retards literally encouraging people to not buy product from him while they sit and use his store for free.

>>96761479
>Raphael
?

>>96761479
April is fine and retards need to accept it isn't her comic counterpart.
Sai's aren't even real weapons and are retarded and how would it be offensive but a half sai isn't? You want to be a victim.

>>96761479
We don't know that's why they changed the sais. It could just be as a Magic in-joke because of Umezawa's Jitte.

>>96761468
>genuine gaea's cradle not double sleeved
fake ass story

>>96761553
My smell will permeate through your sleeves.

I dont always post stories on edhg but when I do, theyre fake

>three Iron Maiden commanders
>they're all unfun garbage
fucking gamestop

>>96761539
>its not just UB
>its knockoff ub
Oof

>>96761539
>retards need to accept it isn't her comic counterpart.
Okay.
Accept that I won't buy the set No skin off my back.

>>96761476
>Avatar, FF, and 40k are approved.
Who is also approved

>>96761539
>Sai's aren't even real weapons
Anon, what if I told you mutagen isnt real

>>96761594
What is approved?

>>96761617
No, I said who is approved

You guys are alright, dont go to ypur LGS tomorrow

>>96761607
>he thinks Mutagen isn't real
>niggas still saying this with several creatures with Mutate in the game

>>96761630
I went yesterday

>>96761479
>the Sai's are offensive now??
don't understand how retards keep thinking this

>>96761653
Because they said it was a thing they avoided for Neon Dynasty (because of it being an Okinawan thing, not a specifically 'Japanese weapon' as such) so people are just assuming it's the same here.

>>96761630
It's dnd night, I'll be there... DM'ing... for morons...

>>96761662
>so people are just assuming it's the same here.
What other reason would it be?
> to make it align with mtg
And mtg only does it because of cultural sensitivity, so...?

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https://archidekt.com/decks/15748180
I cannot for the life of me figure out what the last 10 cuts should be, send help
The only real pet cards are Gifts Ungiven and Divining Top and even if they're not super synergistic I don't think they're BAD here
Parallax Wave is absurdly good here but also might be hitler-y if it's a removal engine, but on the other hand it's also an emergency flicker
Jhoira is kind of iffy I guess since she needs to tap at least once to do anything

>>96761707
bait or retarded?

>>96761719
Kill your darlings

>>96761707
I mean, we have no stated reason, WeeklyMTG did note that as a thing but Blake didn't have an answer, but there must BE an answer, presumably from the art director.

>>96761719
Cut 10 lands

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>>96761737
>the art director
somehow this card became a portent of what's to come; it's hilarious to see what wotc has degenerated into

Is doubling season a scam now?

>>96761967
like in price, or in the game?

>>96762022
Well I'm building a counters deck with some tokens. I feel like for $40 and 5cmc I can just loud up on all the other counters cards like Innkeepers talent and harden scale sphere grid etc.

>>96761851
I rule 0 this into all my mono W decks just in case I encounter Ph*l F*glio cards

>>96762036
depending on your color combo there's plenty of ways to do each clause on doubling season, so really it just depends. if you're actually +1/+1s and have some incidental tokens, then hardened/branching/loading/inkeeper/etc are probably better options.

>>96761967
No. Doubling season has always been bonkers in EDH. When it comes down the table scrambles to take it out before you can untap, because it straight up wins games.

>>96761736
But my darlings are good

>>96761739
36 is already on the low side

>>96762100
Not really. 36/37 is about perfect.

>>96762087
From my experience doubling season is pretty much a hate bearers card. Like it almost always baits out counterspells and removal and let's you play the combo you actually want to do. sure it wins games but at the same time, In the deck I have it in the card never sees play just cause it gets removed immediately, and then I win by immediately playing the combo piece and winning. It has use but idk if it's worth the $40.

>>96762113
It's always been expensive. It's even been reprinted a few times and it's still expensive. It's well worth it, if you can afford it.

Parallel lives is 15 dollars if you need token doubling.
There are a fuck ton of counter doublers these days.
Doubling season ain't what it once was

>>96762100
Well just start cutting cards, you can add back later, the important part is to get playtesting not to have a perfect deck out of the gate

>>96762103
I misspoke, I mean 36 is the point where cutting lands starts to feel unwise

>>96762140
That's a good point actually thank you

>>96762100
>36 is already on the low side
Well baited good sir

>>96762154
There are numerous anons around here that believe that. I've seen nerds here say FORTY is the correct average amount.

>>96762137
Its still the best way to insta ult planeswalkers

>>96762163
Planeswalkers suck in commander albeit

>>96762158
lowest land count I'll go 3 color with a insane curve is like 34 lowest land count mono colored 31 all my decks are usually 37-38 tho curves definitely matter in land counts

>>96762175
I go 33 total lands in most decks with like 2-3 of that being MDFCs

>>96762221
based insane person

>>96761479
>which red blooded american boy doesn't
this is a non american game

>>96762256
Sweaty.. mtg is an american pastime just like apple pie and baseball

>>96762265
and thats why it has so many niggers!

>>96762175
>are usually 37-38 tho curves definitely matter in land counts
When I run 33 I consider anything over 4 CMC to be unplayable (which is always the case in todays fast paced meta)

Commander for this feel?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9y7LyfrbDDE

I oftentimes go on Moxfield and search for UB commanders and then shame people in the comments for running UB

>>96762346
That's pretty based actually

>>96762346
Autism Incarnate

>>96762358
Oink oink

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Im surprised I havent seen this in the wild. Seems decent for monocolor

>>96762346
Based as fuck, start recommending Commanders that would suit the pile too.

>>96762473
Symmetrical draw is very bad unless you are punishing your opponents for drawing

>>96762473
This seems perfect for Nekusar

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What's your favorite mono black commander? Want to try building mono black but unsure who. Yaheni seemed like a decent option but I'm not sold on it yet.

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>>96762579
He's my favorite
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/yahenni-sac-deck/
This deck is half a decade out of date, sorry.
Drana 2 is also a good commander for a more aggressive lower power mono black deck
Before these two were printed I used m15 ob nob

>>96762579
I made kharn goofy not-quite-slicer/alexios, so I'm thinking of trying to do it with kain, but there's less "just stupid fun stuff" in black than in red.

>>96762579
I like Sarevok. I feel he is very black and very simple, but very fun.

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>>96762579
I made Xaihou Dun because getting back noncreatures in mono-B is novel.
But I haven't been able to use the deck enough to say if I really like it or not.

>>96762604
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/assacre-massacre/
I also like massacre girl
>still only has 3 instants
I have no idea how this keeps happening lol

>>96762770
I have this card in my Sarevok deck and i love this card.

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>>96762579
I haven't played him as a Commander yet, but he's helped me out a lot. I eventually want to build around him.

damn this thread is dead

This is the superior V.A.T.S art btw

https://litter.catbox.moe/iq565iov28sdka48.png

>>96763028
looked up the artist and that is the hottest drawing he has created so far

>>96762956
Several MonoB chads all chimed in, I'm excited to see what comes of Lorwyn, fuck UB and sloppers.

>>96763028
thats from mega man, not fallout

>>96762956
Everyone is filling out the ub slop survey

>>96763028
Splitsecond the cunny. I'll give you, that's kind of funny.

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Who do I build next?

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>>96763159
Lathiel is ridiculously fun

>>96762604
I've played Drana in an old Isshin list I had. She did good work and board boosting with 1/1 counters in mono black is interesting. I should still have that Isshin deck somewhere. I'll see about breaking some of it up and seeing what I've got that could work with her.

>>96762708
He's another I had considered. I'm guessing Scion of Halaster for background? That way he never burns you on your turn and you get an extra "draw" per turn? The constant burn he does looks like it would be a good way to put pressure on everyone every turn and with enough boosts can make him deadly.

>>96762770
Simple but anything black recursion in his colors is unique. And black has enough persist like effects to make sure he stays sticky.

Thanks anons. I'll do some testing and look through my bulk to see what I can build with what I've got now.

>>96763159
Go with Indo since that will piss off a random anon here I'm sure

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>>96763208
Don’t forget these bangers

>>96763159
narset if you are gay
lathiel or ureni if you are cool
gisa and geralf for andy and leyley vibes

>”Tier 2” Lathiel player stopped counting around 1400 life and 800 1/1 counters on each of his creatures
Can I call him out for this?

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Has anyone made a mono-blue deck that DOESN'T have extra turns or counters? Like a fun for others to play against but still a good deck? If so what commander and what was the strategy? Off the top of my head, all blue flyers and card draw sound fun to play.

>>96763277
nothing about this isnt tier 2.

>>96763296
Bill Ferny. Just ramp and bounce, baby