DAMN the Salubri look like THAT? Edition>Previous Thread>>96753768>Pastebinhttps://pastebin.com/WiCHizn0>Mediafirehttps://mediafire.com/folder/s9esc6u7ke8k5/CofD>Mega Ihttps://mega.nz/folder/ePQ1BKhJ#RCosRCh59Ki2Mpb1M9H3Uw>Mega II (also containing fanmade games)https://mega.nz/folder/ZbQ2zLJA#DOT-3df6rS2lLet4_RmqJQ>WoD5 Megahttps://mega.nz/folder/7rQQ1LbQ#16_AiXVGo0P3_rVOJuoZyA>STV content foldershttps://pastebin.com/9i9zhydQ>General Creation Kithttps://mega.nz/#F!FWJgBTbb!f7d5rARWHYzuI8-8aI-Bxw>Ideas: BJ Zanzibar's WoDhttp://167.99.155.149/>Anders Mage Pagehttp://mage.gearsonline.net/anders/>White Wolf Wiki:https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Main_Page>Thread QuestionWhat is your favorite traditional clan and what is your favorite weird clan?
Brujah girl having heavy baby making sex with her Ventrue sugar daddy.
Werewolves are NOT retarded
>>96763346They will be after I'm done with them
>>96763346BUT THEY HAVE THE RISK TO BE.UNLESS YOU HELP OUT EXPANDING THEIR GENEPOOL. GO HAVE SEX WITH YOUR LOCAL WEREWOLF RIGHT NOW!!!
>>96762751anybody got an answer?
>>96763308>TQFavorite traditional clan: Ventrue. The archetype of "vampire as the elite" is a classic and essentially universal, to the point I always found it quite confusing how under-developed nonwestern Ventrue are. Every society, even hunter-gatherers have hierarchies, Ventrue should be easy to insert into any chronicle. They also have an interesting clan curse and a solid and synergistic discipline spread. The only issue they have is that their mastery of manipulating mortals and unity-oriented clan culture can make using them as antagonists annoying, since they're one of a few clans where attacking a neonate can realistically cause an elder to drop the hammer on you. Still, what can I say? I love the undead eternal aristocracy. Favorite weird clan: Assuming Tremere and Gangrel don't count because they're Cam 7, Tzimisce. While they don't fit as PCs in most games, and can attract a certain type of problem player, the same could be said about most "weird" clans, and the Tzimisce make villains par excellence. Despite the disproportionate focus given to the Carpathian brood there are canon Greek, Indian, and African Tzimisce to draw on and their concept is fairly flexible despite the tenuous dracula connection. Having such inherent bonuses and incentives to use a shitload of minions makes them an ideal long-term antagonist.
Rawr Me woofBite biteClaw claw Awooo
>>96763397Agree with the ventrue. But don't know what you mean by trouble player with the temmies. Honestly players who start to break havoc and do all sort of deranged shit are my favorite because they make the game move and don't need railroading.
>TQ>favourite tradicional clanTremere>favourite weird clanSalubri
>>96763320I'm the opposite: Ventrue rich daddy's girl getting pounded flat by a dirty, hairy, 300lb biker Brujah.
>>96763508>tradicional
>>96763308Nosferatu, tossup between Assamite or Setite
If immortality is seen as a bad thing in Mage(Awakening) society, does this mean that dating vampires is taboo, since it would make the mage inclined to live longer?
>>96763561from my understanding, being an immortal mage is seen badly because it entails pattern corruption. Basically it causes more problems than it's worth and generally makes bad things happen.
>>96763561Why the fuck would I date something that specifically does not consume a majority of goods and services and is part of my reality that causes the line to go up? Are you some kind of dipshit?
>>96763320>>96763544It's actually supposed to be rough Brujah brawler girl and the prim and proper Ventrue businesswoman exploring each other's bodies.
>>96763599Go be gay somewhere else, rugmuncher.
>>96763599So close.It's the prim and proper Ventrue businesswoman mewling as her Lasombra rival plays her body like a fiddle. The humiliation will positively ruin future outfits when she recalls the seduction
>>96763587-t. Syndicate mage
>>96763477>But don't know what you mean by trouble player with the temmies.Their incentive to invest in ghouls, ghouls, and more ghouls can get irksome in non-troupe play games, slowing the game to a crawl. Vicissitude can attract players that are only interested in Vicissitude at the expense of all else and come off as more of a vessel of their powers than a real person. I wonder if that's what inspired the author who introduced the space AIDS plot Also, in my experience active players do not necessarily need to cause "havoc" or do "deranged shit". I do enjoy active players mind you but oftentimes doing something crazy or ill-advised just comes at the expense of the other PCs, since you basically just got them into trouble as well.
>>96763590Based, I daresay.
>>96763308NosferatuGargoyles
>>96763680>Tremmies create ghoulsI thought that they couldn't create ghouls. Vicissitude is interesting though so I can't blame people seeing it as the only solution when they have it
>>96763696>I thought that they couldn't create ghouls.Just to clarify, we are talking about the Tzimisce. The guys who have actual names for specific types of ghouls they use. My brother in Caine, I don't think anyone uses ghouls more than Tzimisce.
Where's the information about Arikel/Ishtar/Toreador being in Greece from?The wiki does not seem to provide a citation
>>96763308Lasombra traditional, right? Right.Nictuku. Lamia, if Nictuku don't count.
All of you are wrong. It's the haughty and ambitious miss perfect Ventrue falling head over heels for a handsome and manly Sorcerer (mage doesn't exist at this table) who she met by pure happenstance. this one actually happened too
What ways are there to purify a corrupt Caern/Node/etc, either one that was originally Gaian or one that was created by BSD/Yama Kings/Baali/etc?Not just by the Garou, but also by other splats, even the weirder ones. Someone finds a place of power that seems to be Evil, what can they possibly do to cleanse it?I'm guessing Mage and Demon would have some stuff at least, but would vampires or changelings? Would it be within the reach of the magic of a linear sorcerer or an ExWoD Exalted? Could a ghost or a shih do anything about it?
>>96763765Sounds like nerd wish-fulfillment by Tremere himself. Or Saulot.
>>96763832Why would Tremere's wish-fulfillment be F Vampire x M Human? Is he a cuck?
Which is the best Path and why is it Mastigos?
>>96763842Why do you think he became a vampire? Immortality? He figured that out years ago. He was insecure.
I’d hate to be a vampire simply because it would be impossible to goon.
>>96763308I'm a Lilithchad but a Morrigan is fine too
>>96763308>What is your favorite traditional clanA tie between Tzimisce and Salubri. I absolutely adore everything about the Tzimisce from Vicissitude to Revenants to Szlatcha. Salubri appeals to my inner moralfag and I deeply enjoy playing a vampiric healer. >What is your favorite weird clan?Tzimisce. See above.Since I am thinking about it. Would a Camarilla Tzimisce be a viable concept? I was thinking of a former Sabbat Tzimisce who's territory fell to the Camarilla and he just switched because he didnt want to move. Really focus on the regal nature of the Tzimisce and aspire to become primogen.
>>96763712My bad there then
>>96763777A corrupted caern probably had lots of bad shit happen, so it could become a haunt
>>96763973>Would a Camarilla Tzimisce be a viable concept?I sure as hell wouldn't allow it at my table.
>>96763973see>>96764199I would immediately think you’re the kind of faggot that plays a chaotic good tiefling or you have otherkin identifiers on your Facebook/Twitter page.
>>96763973Tzimisce antitribu? Maybe. Cammie Tzimisce? probably not, as I understand it vampires just don't like the Tzimisce
>>96763973>Camarilla TzimisceHe's either in prime territory they can't force him out of or he's doing some kind of service only he can do for the Camarilla while he thinks he's being magnanimous or whatever the word is, for hosting their club house.Primogen's kind of an interesting angle. Would he recognize the utility and respect the position affords? Seneschal might be more appropriate if you're tryna focus on the imperious and austere nature of such a dragon. A position he'd consider high up but loose enough he can be undisturbed, especially if he got the typical ventrue prince that micro-manages everything to the point that he can drop in six months out of a decade and it'd be enough to fulfil "host"/court obligations the dragon's nature demands A scourge might be fitting but I doubt a normal court would give carte blanche to a Tzimisce that may be a half a decade away from becoming an Autarkis and more of a problem.
>>96763973I think that's a great idea and your character concept would be a grear addition to any game. Tzimisce are by far the most interesting clan. I don't get it why they're always the throwaway bad guys.
>>96764259I think I got my terms mixed up. Seneschal actually fits more what I had in mind. I had 2 ways of going about it. Either he acts more as an investigator with Animalism and Auspex or an enforcer that uses Vicissitude as a dirty tactic in brawls or busts out horrid form when things get serious. The fear of literally smacking the smile off someone's face would be useful for intimidation. I personally prefer the investigator idea because I would play him as a bored but paranoid regent who wants to keep tabs on everyone. Get a little Vicissitude to disguise my appearance or any ghouls I'd employ as field agents.Im imagining him as somewhat recently embraced. Details and motivations would change to fit the chronicle.
>>96763308>Traditional clanVentrue or Lasombra. "I was born to lead, not to read">Weird clanLamiae for that Lilith necromantic flavor. Or Samedi for zombie looks>>96763599Best ending >>96763973Any concept is viable if you can justify it and roleplay it out. Antitribu exist, personal interests exist, grudges exist, pragmatic decision-making exist.
Does anyone else have cross-splat fatigue?
>>96764860Are you actually playing cross-splat? Or just taking on the internet about them?
>>96764869Talking on the internet. If it were a tableside problem that'd be an easy fix. It's become fairly difficult recently to JUST talk about one splat without other people injecting cross-splat.
Malkavian sex
what clan to play if you want to go in a rape spree? talking seriously. either female or male is fine
>>96764899Br*jah
>>96764884I personally don't engage in conversations that don't involve bloodsuckers and bloodsuckers only>>96764899A black human. Not a vampire, sex is not something they are interested in
Twink malkavian bf
>>96763777Without mentioning anything splat-specific:>Eliminate the material causes and effects of the corruption within the area.>Eliminate the supernatural presence lording over the corruption and propagating it.>Establish and propagate goodness within the area and spread the influence of this goodness.A group of normal humans could come across a pit that is an industrial waste dumping ground, somehow destroy the spirit of waste and decay lording over the place, relocate all of the industrial waste and begin a deep cleaning and rewilding project of the local area. Without any sort of magic, it would take years to spiritually neutralise the pit and decades of genuine of love and care to make a caern out of it. It's not easy but it can be done.
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>>96765003Schizo ramble from closeted furries of pol
Can a ghoul become a skin dancer if he gets enough garou pelts? Does he stay ghouled or does he break free when if he does? Could a ghoul who becomes a skindancer be embraced? If he can, does he keep his fera powers?
>>96765168Fuck off, Samuel Haight.
>>96763861Nah, Acanthus is #1.Mastigos #2.
>>96765255Don't be mean to my favorite ashtray
>>96764223Other than Tremere, they wouldn't have a reason to dislike high humanity Tzimisce. One could even work as a plastic surgeon for other vamps, though I assume there'd have to be some kind of limits enforced, otherwise the Tzimisce could make anyone look like anyone they want
I’ve worked out some stuff for my Bloodborne crossover game. It’s based on Hunter and all the hunters are imbued. Their patron is the Great One the Good Hunter evolved into during Bloodborne’s true ending. While it is “benevolent” it is no longer a human and thinks in a totally alien way. Being exposed to it drives most people mad because their human minds can’t process that level of Insight.All imbued instinctively know how to create Bloodborne style trick weapons, there is an ideal one of them and they know it. These weapons deal aggravated damage. Most hunters focus on a particular type of monster and their personal weapon reflects that. Their blood is also magical. If you’re a vampire and you drink it then you will likely go insane because of the visions you’ll receive. The camarilla strictly forbid feeding on the imbued after an incident with. Tremere and an imbued in New York but no one knows exactly what happened. Imbued blood is considered very valuable by nephandi and less savory mages that are aware of it but they are wary of the imbued. Some packs of garou were completely slaughtered since imbued hunters are almost designed to fight with them but hunters also took great losses. This led to a de facto truce although many hunters are obsessed with werewolves and see them as the “beasts” they are meant to destroy. They now hunt black spiral dancers
>>96763346>Praise the wyld>Reject the weaver and it's gifts (law, order, science)>Why r we drool retards who angry all time?Gee, I wonder
>>96762926Well, guess what, that's exactly what typically goes on. A laundry list of factions appears in the KoptE Companion and Heresies of the Way. Even in the KotE core, it specifically says that they do not get along but came up with some kind of combination Mandarin Japanese word that sounds like the reading of those words in Dungan to try and make the Cammies and Sabbat think that everything was more monolithic, which is also stupid because it's not like Asia was made yesterday.>>96762989Vampires are the Space Marines of WoD, yes.
>>96763599If they're Sabbat you could call it Antitribadism.
>>96765168>Ghoul>Becomes Garou>Fera powersIf you are Garou you are not Fera. Fera is the word that Garou use to refer to other werebeasts. Various Fera also have words that similarly refer to "everyone in this group but us", such as Killi (Bastet), Bete (Mokole), Ovid (Ananasi), and Khurah (Nagah).Also if any Garou gets embraced you just use the Abomination rules, even if they used the rite of sacred rebirth.
>>96765424Sound cool anon, I would to contribute but it's been years since I played Bloodborne. When do you play to run your game?
>>96765424I hope you have a good time. But I really don't have all that much to say.
>>96765168in the vast majority of cases, Skindancers don't get to keep other supernatural powers or merits from other templates unless the ST goes out of their way to say "yes"
>>96763647Nah, that's how it happen in the Lasombra head beforehand, then she get reminded why the Ventrue are at the top.She'll convince herself next time will totally be different this time, and try again with the same results in six months. It has happened half a dozen times already. The Ventrue think they are dating.
>>96765931You may be in the wrong WoD.
>>96763973How does he see if his eyes are horns?
>>96766238You're asking Tzimisce for practicality? Really?
>>96766238Magic.
>>96765708Carlos...
>>96764608Hound might be more applicable in that case, especially if you're going neonate. Of course the court itself could be new itself or some other explanation for why a young tzimisce is a seneschal. If his sire is around, perhaps they're a primogen themselves.Although the bigger thing I'm now curious about is whether that paranoia was around when they were a mortal or did it pop up when they began interacting with other vamps in the area?Also point for seneschal: knowing the hospitality angle, he or his sire might have the best 'unofficial' meeting grounds that aren't elysium
I used to love Ventrue until I saw some slimy CEO descendants of royalty types and I thought that that's the closest you'll get to an IRL Vent. There's something inherently repulsive about them, I couldn't tell you what.
>>96766388>bro is not even posting pictures of the Count of Paris To be fair, some rl blue bloods are cute.
>>96766423This guy I like, he at least commands respect. Those 2 I posted look like they snort coke off hookers' asses on the daily. LoathsomeAnd your picrel is a vapid Toreador, clearly
>>96766388Ventrue men fall into this weird category where they try ever so hard to be an exact copy of their superior/sire cause they looked so much like their father when alive. They're a stressful week away from hunting down a Tzimisce to turn them into a body double just to give them that edge in confidence. Not realizing they'll forever be an uncanny double likely to infuriate those higher up since they only know how to copy.
>>96766461Don't you fucking dare insult the heir of one of the pretenders to the throne of the Kingdom of two Sicilies! Also, the count is fucking loser.
>>96766074Sounds like something the Ventrue's senior ghoul tells an underling if the tryst is discovered. Which would totally not prompt said senior ghoul, their underling, and the Lasombra's most loyal ghoul from being in an adjacent hallway next time. Spying on their masters fighting for dominance under the guise that they don't want the haven to come down nid-coitus.fuck these circle captchas
>>96764899Ravnos (compulsive crime is rape)
In a scenario where vampire A has a ghoul, and feeds them a bunch of their blood, then vampire B feeds off the ghoul. Would B be level 1 blood bound to A?
>>96764899Tzimisce.I make people grow a dick inside their anus and rape themselves.
>>96766772you can't rape yourself, that doesn't make sense
>>96766761Nope, it only causes a Blood Bond if drunk from the vampire itself.
>>96766761ST-discretion I'd say. I'd personally lean towards no since ghouls don't have the vitae circulating through their system like blood and the very direct association with it being given by the vampire. Maybe if it was a revenant that had clear association markers to try and warn off other kindred, might create the weakest bond imaginable.
>>96766301I wouldnt want him to start as seneschal. Becoming seneschal would be his ambition. I figured there was some natural paranoia in his mortal days but being a Camarilla Tzimisce would amplify it because the Cam would naturally be wary of him and he would assume Sabbat Tzimisce would want him dead.
>>96766761I know in v5 there is a blood sorcery ability called transitive vitae where you can store your blood and preserve its properties. The system even says you can store such vitae in a ghoul. Id assume the older books have a similar power but i never looked too deeply into thaumaturgy.
>>96766782You derive pleasure from raping because you prioritize your own sensations.I derive pleasure from the pain and confusion that comes from rape because I simply enjoy watching others in distress.
>>96766909I'd argue just being a Tzimisce would key up the innate paranoia. After all, he now has to deal with a very real sense of territory that is his yet there are people in it that can kick his ass/disrespect his hold on the territory. Then bring up the Camarilla veiled distrust despite him being very cordial. In any case sounds like a solid Tzimisce youngling that may care more about the area than the ruling sect.
>>96766923This guys tzimisces
>>96763973>Since I am thinking about it. Would a Camarilla Tzimisce be a viable concept?Only time I've seen it work was with a high humanity, low gen Tzimisce that was so bizarre that everyone mistakes him for a Malk.
>>96765708
Are they right? Is magic science and is science magic? >>96759662
>>96767395Yes. “Lol it’s beyond your understanding it’s magic I ain’t gotta explain shit” is just nuance, or lolmystery. Nothing actually goes against reality, technically, if it’s real / it happened. The supernatural is more or less meaning “we don’t understand it well enough”. Even the Hermetic mages *understand* their shit. It’s all how reality works to them. Ascension is a perfect surrealist game that pokes at the changing perceptions of reality throughout history. I wish we had more magic-by-any-other-name terms, because mad science isn’t the only one.
>>96767422> I wish we had more magic-by-any-other-name terms, because mad science isn’t the only one.Don’t the choristers call their magic ‘miracles’ or some shit? They’re not dumb enough to think it’s actually different, tho.
I don't hate Parenting for what it is. I hate it because it has no competition/equivalent.
>>96767430Not dumb enough to think it twice. It's why they beat it out of the neophytes
>there are mages "players" in my thread right nowDisgusting.
>>96767395Basically, yeah.Science is magic because everything is. Atoms are Quintessence arranged in a matter pattern. Gravity is Quintessence arranged in a forces pattern. Every theory, invention or discovery is derived from mankind's natural ability to affect reality even through seemingly debunking "supernatural" explanations.Magic is science because the basis of the scientific method still apply to how the Spheres work. It's just that not everyone can get to the experimentation step (i.e. the average sleeper can't interact with spirits in order to conduct an experiment involving them), and even if they do there are many potential variables in magic that aren't necessarily present in sleeper science (i.e. a dreamspeaker and a verbena may get different results from the same experiment with spirits simply because of their ancestral legacy, religious background, etc.). Therefore, it's harder to isolate instances like we can in a lab environment.
>>96767430Every single Tradition thinks their way is the way. And yes, Chorus too.
>>96767476Kind of agree, yeah. In a way that's also the same reasoning why I couldn't hate TTS. There is/was an abundance of 40k humor so Alfabusa's wankery didn't feel annoying.I've always wanted to make a comic/illustrated web-novel about my chronicles, but I'm afraid of getting deep into it only for Paradox to shut me down. Which would be really funny because it's mostly Mage chronicles.
>>96764860Yes the other guys from other splats are increasingly annoying and repetitive. I wonder if it wouldn't be just a good idea to make a different thread for extended wod and just wod with vtm.
>>96767691That's worse idea than separating WoD and CofD.(Also, go cut up your own books too. Half the VTM books involve other splats)
I just read Fevre Dream and I wonder how much of it inspired VtM. I can't think of another work where the drive to drink blood and destroy inherent to the vampire is referred to as the Beast. The vampires also somewhat remind of the Lasombra, I don't know what else could have inspired them.
>>96767691The schreknet thread has been a godsend for weening away vampfag talk. All you guys want to do is talk about your edgy special snowflakes in roundabout ways.
>>96767700I don't care about cofd but the other schizos and repetitive dudes who keep having the same discussion on timeloop over the thread are certainly tiresome>involve other splats the corebooks for owod are very neutral with the occasional mention none of them force any type of crossover (and watching this thread makes me think there was a good reason for that)
>>96767748thanks for confirming you're a snowflake
>>96767769Are those bloody tears, or just anal leakage from your last faggot vampire larp?
>>96767476That's in a nutshell every form of current year entertainment. There's only a tiny handful of people handling any given niche and they're all some degree of incompetent, poser, poor-production, and/or misunderstands the intent/tone of what they're working on (and H:tP is at least two of those). Those outside of those ranks who have a clue or talent seem to be afflicted with absolute laziness and inaction in everything except making excuses for such (which never seem to effect the impoverished brainlets actually making content).I've been driven to start doing my best in what I do (which sadly isn't WoD or tabletop rulesets/setting) but there's only so much one can do and it's disheartening to be surrounded by so much incompetence and inaction.
>>96763308As someone who has only ever ran D&D and Cthulhu games where a campaign is just a bunch of linked isolated adventures (dungeons, investigations etc) how does one approach making a chronicle to one of the WoD-games? I have a shitton of WoD books (Vampire, Werewolf, Mage, Wraith, Changeling, Hunter) and CofD books (Vampire, Werewolf, Mage, Changeling, Hunter, Mummy) and would actually try to run one of these. Thinking of Vampire since my players are familiar with Bloodlines but one player is interested in Wraith.
>>96767655If they didn't think their way was the way, a mage's magic wouldn't work, including a Technocrat's. Very few mages are able to have a paradigm so liberal and all-encompassing that they're able to accept all other paradigms as valid.
>>96767801Crack open your copy of Chicago By Night and use that as a template. It's the chronicle format that caused everyone to fall in love with VtM and WoD in the first place.
>>96767801Generally, the most important to Vampire is Intrigue. Create a court of vampires, figure out who's trying to fuck over who, have your players get caught up in said scheming in some way.Encourage your players to set their own goals as well. One wants to be Primogen? Well, how are they planning to do that? What sort of schemes can they themselves come up with? How do others react to that? Sure, another primogen might snitch to the prince if they find out, but maybe they help them out instead (or even WHILE also snitching) because it helps their own agenda.That's kinda what the default is slanted towards, and what Vampire specifically does best. Other splats have other strengths.
>>96767850Thanks, I'll hunt down a PDF of it. Which version comes recommended? Actual rulebook I have is the Revised edition and not the 20th anniversary or the 5th edition.
>>96767801Imo start with hunter. It allows them to learn about the setting without feeling overloaded about knowing this or that. My group started with vampire and half of my players were kinda frustrated because they felt very out of the loop. It didnt help that 3 of us wanted to do "big idea" chronicles instead of an introduction chronicle to actually familiarize them with the setting.
>>96767691Doesn't most VtM discussion boil down to one of the following topics though?>hi guys can you tell me what the difference between ordinary VtM and V5 is?>what is [insert antediluvian here] up to these days?>how is the masquerade still able to function in the 21st century?>how does the sabbat avoid being wiped out if they're so retarded?>wow, anarchs are really shit>wow, brujah are really shit>wow, tremere are so cool>wow, tzimisce are so cool
>>96767919you have been timelooping your tradition/technocracy cringe bait in the last 10 threads or 20 threads
>>96767942I'm not even a Mage player, I just recognise that VtM conversations in these threads aren't exactly stimulating.
>>96767954yet you don't seem to have a problem with the last 10/20/30 threads being timelooping garbage by the baiters, curious
>>96767954Goddamn marauders, can't accept reality.
>>96767967Just acknowledging that a VtM-exclusive thread wouldn't be much better.
>>96767801Granted I've only ever run relatively local games for mortal PCs (hunter; The Vigil and occasionally outright vanilla CoD) that are clueless in the grand scheme of things, but I imagine my general "method" could be applied to any other tier/splat in Wod/CoDI had good experience with keeping things very "sandbox-y".I come up with a problem like>loved one is a vampire's ghoul>the custodian of a local themed family hotel is a changeling shoving kids into a gateway to Arcadia to keep his True Fae master's ire at bay>skinwalker snatches your buddy's skin (figuratively, maybe literally as well) on a camping trip and tries to slip into his lifeYou come up with key players related to these problems, so in the vampire example it would be the loved one and the vampire, naturally, but you can throw in stuff like>obsessive "ex" of the vampire willing to spill the beans that this vampire is bad news>employer of this loved one you didn't know about, indicating this loved one is making income and spends none of it on him/herself.Then you throw in the hook that gets the players into this story>Loved one of one of the PCs is acting extremely weird, hiding things from this PC, dresses up uncharacteristically and is awake/asleep at odd hours>The group encounters a grown ass, bearded man in his early 30s naked and sobbing uncontrollably on the side of the road, he insists he walked through a door at the arcade into a magical place, ran away from something scary, his name is Timmy and he's 10 years old.>Ever since coming home from his camping trip, mark forgot key info about his own life (including looking both ways when crossing a road or how to drive) and when someone says something he tries to play it off like he always knew and just "forgot". plus he keeps inviting people to spontaneous camping trips to the spot he's been in.And then you set them loose to do what they want and the consequences would be obvious since it's just the real world.
>>96767919True, we need more Ventrue glazing.
>>96767748>The schreknet threadHalf of the posts in schrecknet are people wanting to scream about cross-splat lore without breaking character.
>>96767801>one player is interested in WraithThe way that Wraith is sort of structured and the larger lore of the setting I think it's actively hard to introduce players into it, maybe it could be best to introduce them to easy shit like Vampire or Hunter and then see if they would be interested in trying a different splat. As for a Chronicle I know there are modules available which are decent
>>96767954Maybe we should just start arguing about Wraith instead of Mage or Vampire or retarded furries
>>96768402I'd prefer if we didn't have more edgy joker posting.
What hunter organizations exist in Reckoning?
>>96768188>without breaking characterThat's pretty neat
>>96768402What is there to argue about? Unlike all the others there's no real factions to debate over, Oblivion is clearly bad, Charon is a dummy, Stygia is a bureaucratic shithole, etc.
>>96768425The only other options is Changeling, Mummy, or Demon and I feel like those aren't very popular here either
>>96768402A tenth of the people who play VtM play WtA or MtAs and a tenth of people who play WtA or MtAs play WtO or CtD.
>>96768487Changeling could be interesting if Dreaming was more interesting and the Dreaming's most annoying soldier didn't get a chip on their shoulder when it came to the Lost. Mummy, does Mummy even have enough to be interesting that isn't just trying to beat off how good they are?
>>96768463All the same organizations that exist in OWoD, check out First Contact for the Imbued's take on some of the big names
>>96768484just offering a solution
>>96767919True, we need more Lasombra glazing.
>>96768402We should argue about how Giovanni doesn't make any sense if you go by WtO rules
>>96768562Vampire magic type of shit I assume. Bloodlines makes it seem like they can just make zombies and other undead things without a soul, Night Road seems to say that for an actual soul they need fetters. I would assume that more or less goes along with how Wraith is but even Wraith and Wraith media is a bit inconsistent I think
>>96768562It's why big bad Charon stuck a finger up Auggie's ass a couple decades back. Stupid as shit that the Giovanni's necromancy poses any sort of threat to either side
>>96768402Charon did nothing wrong except that one thing
>>96768571Necromancy doesn't need Soul for normal Zombies. Just 1 point of Willpower for the spell and 1 point of Blood for each reanimated corpse.This sound bad, and it is, somewhat but they don't decay and last infinitely unless destroyed. Meaning you can stockpile your zombie army and bam, zombie horde against your enemies. Get some Disciplines and Combo Disciplines and you can give your zombies Fortitude, Celerity and Potence too.
>>96767395Only in Mage. If you're playing a different game, anyone talking about how Mage works will sound like someone trying to chase down Pepe Silvia.
Alright so Ive heard from you guys M20 is ass because >Brucattodespite the 20th being overall the best for woof and vampire, particularly DAV20. Mage Revised was the good one, right? Could anyone explain to me why that is?Also, how's Wraith20?
>>96769278>Could anyone explain to me why that is?Well let's see we got>father's thrusting cock>a 50-year old telling us that you can store campaign info on COMPUTERS!!1!!11!>a half-page sidebar on how to pick the right food for the setting the story takes place in (fast food bad btw)>nice section warning you that if you can't play Nephandi because you'll turn Evil (and not the cool "Evil" that Christians whinge, the REAL, BAD "Evil" that only TRVE MAGICKERS know about)>overcomplication of magic so that you need multiple spheres to do anything>failure to explain what spheres you specifically need to things>followed by a splat that also failed to explain that>and a Traditions splat that was turbo fucking retardedI think that sums it up.
>>96769341is this fucking for realmani do not even care about mage but i shudder to imagine M5 if this is M20
How do the settites go from set stealing or getting power from the wyrm(?) to preaching nihilistic gnosticism disguised as vice peddling?And where does set even fit into the overall chronology of vampires and Cain?
>>96769445Set is the world's biggest poser that thinks he's too cool for school. Kind of like the ventru or ur-shulgi but more transparent in what a pathetic pos he is. Going off the innate egyptian stuff, I'd hazard a pretty safe guess that Set, as an antediluvian, is one of the 'younger' eldest. Settites are definitely of that era where they needed "evil" and overt villainous vamps so of course vice peddlers worshiping a pretty consistent 'evil' god-vampire is a shoe in. It wouldn't surprise me if such a mindset led to the wyrm stuff, because they're kinda easy to slot into other world as would-be chronicle villains. Like pentex.
>>96769445Who or what Set is depends on the splat you're playing, with some potential for overlap. There's several canon origin stories for the fucker. If you're looking for concrete information on him, give up now.
>>96769445By retcons introduced in Dark Ages, same as Baali
>>96769341>>a 50-year old telling us that you can store campaign info on COMPUTERS!!1!!11!
>>96763508pick a side anon
>>96769898If there were a third category, anon would have chosen Baali.He is Saulot's strongest warrior.
So I'm curious are the fae in WoD just dicks entirely like in the Beast of Glenkildove or are they moderately redeemable
>>96770011define redeemable
>>96769445Depending on what you believe he may be >Caine himself and all the clans are actually his descendants>a methuselah embraced by Ennoia>an actual literal god>embraced by Zillah>a brother to Malkav and Saulot which would make him a childe of Enoch (this one's my favourite since I like the idea of the three brothers seeking enlightenment.)He is also very likely to be Osiris' sire>stealing or getting power from the wyrm(?)Apep was a bitch nigga and woofs are retards, news at 11. >to preaching nihilistic gnosticism disguised as vice peddling? Ra is a busta and the sooner you start destroying yourself and your false beliefs the sooner you can RETVRN, unlike his traitorous brother Osiris whom Set was so willing to share the crown with but Osiris got jelly so Set had to do the old coffin 11 part dick obliteration, only to dab on him AGAIN despite that whore Isis' Spell of Life bringing him back. Just ignore the whole thing with Horus and the semen. The real answer is WoD cosmology is supposed to be an inconsistent mess with unreliable narrators so your ST can pick and choose what they like best.
>>96770073I suppose rather that they aren't unapologetic dicks, but seeing fae in most fiction they're kind of just in it for the funny trolls at the cost of everyone else
>>96770011They're extremely rapeable
>>96770163this seems like a fast way to get the "your dick rots off and a new one grows in your ass" curse
>>96770163>Thinking you can rape that which rapes eternallylel
>>96769278Wraith20 takes all the fun out of Wraith and forces you to roleplay only the part about misery.
>>96770251>and forces you to roleplay only the part about misery.but that's the fun part
>>96770272>>96770251I think it's possible to enjoy RP'ing out being a sad ghost and also play ghost bureaucracy with magic, both parts work well enough
>>96770162Realistically it depends on the version you're talking about. CtD: I believe most are 'fae first' like most WoD types but they're more willing to be nice to humans. Maybe leaning into more energetic niceness, but again fae first always. A bad comparison is that they're emotional vampires, goes a bit further than that with more nuance, but typically they want to be inspired via sapient creativity. So helping humans tends to help them via the resultant catharsis or other equivalent depending on the situation.CtL: they are completely outside the realm of human. Malfean-like entities that you do not fuck with in most cases. They also love to take prisoners. So in a sense they aren't outright unapologetic dicks because they're worse and more alien. Naturally the worst of the two.
>>96770296>>96770272Let me rephrase it: Did you like having cool Beetlejuice powers? Did you like being a powerful ghost capable of turning his arms into flails and shoot ectoplasm bullets? Did you like ripping your opponents' arms and turning them into swords? Did you like forging your enemies into bullets to kill more enemies? Did you like having sex with mortals like its that cheesy movie with the clay scene? Did you like being a Doomslayer, going down the labyrinth to chew gum and kick ass?Do you want all that shit nerfed into the ground because fuck you, you can't have fun here?Welcome to Wr20
>>96770305I just had a thought cause I played Glenkildove and the Fae women was rather insistent on taking one of the girls in it. I think you're purposefully not clued in on all the specifics but it does make her seem like she's in it for the Lulz
>>96770324On the one hand I understand that thematically being able to do cool ghost shit is against the spirit of the Wraith premise, but they also decided to expand out the setting to include ghost kingdoms and kaiju battles. A bit retarded I'll admit, I see no reason why you shouldn't be able to do that if you'll be going up against an army of Roman Legionnaires who want to enslave you and turn you into a ghost office chair
when I die, I want to get soulforged into an axegod, that would be so bad-ass
>>96770352Oh then yeah. Hopefully the fae is associated with the seelie.
>>96770402soul forge dudes into electronics so that they can get cucked in real time
>>96770426I guess she ends up sort of helpful if you try to be a "pacifist" but she mainly seems to just be there to taunt you that she's taking this girl and you're fucked if you try to stop it. I think there is a way to keep her normal but then you get cursed or something
>>96767476I actually just started it and I'm a bit peeved. The second episode had a hell of an ending that actually tapped into a bit of visceral fear. The third then squandered it bit by bit with goofy moments and utter stupidity for the sake of more goof. Time and place guys.If I wanted to see horror squandered, I'd watch a Stephen King movie.
>>96770479Think of how you can adapt that agony for your own tabletop. You know, have the players watch in real-time as your ST just totally fucks up the story and everything.
>>96770479I think from the first episode on the theme and tone of the show being comedy-skewed should have been obvious, WoD isn't really in your face scary and more like existential dread scary i think. Episode's 4 and 5 have similar moments but there's a pretty large amount of tension and goofiness at the same time
>>96770359I mean... the cool ghost power shit and supernatural anime action was there from the first edition. It only got stronger in the second.Wraith was gothkino that married every ghostly possibility, from haunting mansions to returning from the grave for vengeance to fighting ectoplasmic abominations with super powers, all while still keeping a backdrop of gloom where you had to balance passion and vice.Wr20 is emocringe that only wants you to suffer without reward. It forgot the lines in the old books that said "Wraith is a game about ever present dread, but also of eternal love, awe and adventure."
>>96770599Well I mean, I agree. I just think that the ghost kino that is being a sad guy trying to solve your death or make peace and stuff is a bit incongruent with being able to turn some guy you come across into a gun or turn an IRL person into meat paste, while fighting the ghost nazis and the ghost abominations or corporate astral projections is cool but it's not coherent with the sadboy fantasy or low level powers. I like both but I can understand why they decided to scrap that as cringe as it is. I'd prefer they stay the same though I think Geist does basically that right?
>>96770543>I think from the first episode on the theme and tone of the show being comedy-skewed should have been obviousNta, but I strongly disagree with that. The first episode has the lowest stakes and thus, the comedy blends into the actual narrative more. Who wouldn't be joking around with their friends when on a ghost walk that will probably lead to nothing? If anything, the first three episodes and surrounding audiologs felt like the story was being given more gravitas and the comedy was more of an atavism born of insecurity after TTS got shut down abruptly (same with recycling characters). But as time has gone on, especially as of late it feels like they're "falling back" on low brow humor and loredumps because they've hit some genuine writing speedbumps. I fell off of TTS when it got more fanfic than parody, but when they started a series with the premise of having a traditional narrative, I was happy to engage with it on its own terms.>>96767664Unless they've changed it since last I checked, Dark Pack lets you do whatever you want, even nWoD stuff as long as you slap the gay-ass logo on it. However, they do reserve the right to change terms on fairly short notice.
>>96766388Counterpoint: They look like that from generations of Ventrue sniping every chad aristocrat left now that they're a dying breed in Europe. Every canon male Ventrue I can think of is either a shlub or some anvil jawed chad. Which kinda tracks for highly successful men.
>>96770642yeah that seems like a fair assessment, though I think the current balance of seriousness to humor is fine considering the content in 5 and 5.1
Do one of the sabbat books have a table or something like that of how strongly the vaulderie affects each pack member? I swear I remember seeing it once
>>96771004Guide to the sabbat pg 155
>>96771098danke
>>96770617I think most lines have that dichotomy between the classic power fantasy of the supernatural and the "street level" introspective story that some people seem to want. Hence why they made nWoD to try and split the two.
>>96763371I didn't know vtubers posted on /tg/
How would you splat her/it?
>>96771295Evil changeling. People forget how fucked up the fairies are.
>>96771267yeah that's a fair point though I'm not sure anyone does it nearly as hard as wraith between the low scale sadboy adventure and the power scaling to undead empire slavery. The closest I think is mage being a relatively grounded pseudo-detective adventure at the start and scaling up to the weird crazy shit, ends up more extreme than Wraith though
>>96771295I play Hunter the Vigil so I'm cheap and I'd just make her as-is as a custom monster. Gun to my head though? I'd make her a girl first possessed then claimed by a Lust Spirit ala Werewolf: the Forsaken. Claimed are basically generic versions of Fomori, where any type of spirit can do it. It would explain how she becomes less of a person after a certain point, and how unnatural the lust she inspires in men is.
>>96771295True Fae, she's got all the hallmarks.
>>96771295Bane mummy
How bad of an entity is Grandmother? Seems one of those force of nature types.
>>96771374I dunno why you deleted, that was pretty much a 99% match, besides being unable to appear in sunlight, and also not being "effectively" immortal (Tomie could get hacked to tiny pieces and still survive)
what's the difference between dark ages vampire and vampire the dark ages
>>96771660Because I recalled Tomie involving other bullshit where they wouldn't work. I might be wrong. But fine, https://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Las_Hermanas_Hambrientas
>>96771295>not posting the gifshame
>>96771295Tomie scares me because she looks exactly like my ex. Down to the beauty mark.
What if... Blood Sisters?
>>96772208hungry sisters is the term for female blood brothersbecause neither tremere or tzimisce can't name shit
>>96772208Go on
>>96763308>Traditional ClanToreador>Weird ClanHarbingers of Skulls
>>96772219The hungry sisters are a very specific "sorority" of female Blood Brothers down in Mexico.
>>96772219>hungry sisters is the term for female blood brothersnot exactly, Las Hermanas Hambrientas is a name of one specific group (circle) of female blood brothers that's endemic to Mexico Cityhttps://whitewolf.fandom.com/wiki/Las_Hermanas_Hambrientasthere could be other female circles - card game mentions Budapest, though I've got no idea if that was ever canon in the RPG (it certainly isn't in V5)
>>96772239most vtes cards aren't, but who gives a shit they are really easy to use shortcuts for semi premade npcs
>>96772208kinda want to do something with them but i feel like they are pretty limited story wise it's either "blood brothers looking for a way to fix their embrace problem" or "weirdo sabbat soldier"
Being an Imbued must be fucking mental, when you think about>Be gas station wagecuck>One night, you witness a supposed mugging taking place outside>Normally, you would just call the cops>But then you see words on your phone screen and they’re telling you exactly what to do>You listen, and for the first time in your life, you do something>Managed to “push away” scare off the attacker, turns out you stopped a Kindred feeding>But now you keeping hearing voices and seeing messages everywhere telling you to kill a random professor at the local college (he’s a ghoul for the local Tremere Primogen)
>>96763308Are all/most Ravnos gypsies? And if so why don't they much to do with Lilith, given the identity of the Lilim
>>96772334They're Lucifer's greatest soldiers
>>96763973At this point, I'm fairly convince that there are two kinds of tzimisce lovers>trannies>people who score an INTP on the Myers Briggs personality test
>>96766238hornyvision>>96765708I lost
>>96769278Revised has more concisely written and better explained rules, to the point that someone who struggled to understand M20 almost instantly got the idea when I passed them my copy of Revised. Also, M20's example spells (most of which are in a separate book) often ignore the rules established in the core.However! M20's chapter on paradigm, practice, and foci is the best breakdown of the concept in the entire game line. When I run Mage, I show my players that section during character creation, but run all the mechanics using Revised.>>96769411Oh, M5 will be an entirely different set of garbage, with a different set of terrible writers and bad ideas.>>96772334Anon, I don't intend to be mean, but you just described EXACTLY how the Imbued work. You don't need to "think about" how mental they are, the books outright tell you. Unless you are trying to explain the concept to people who have never read the books, in which case I apologize.
>>96773078no and because the writers are faggots
>>96772334Why are the Messengers retarded? Why would you give powers to literal normies who can hardly handle the truth instead of seasoned hunters who could make great uses of the powers?
>>96773671If a hunter is seasoned, they are already capable of hunting. Normies need that extra power spike and that power boost to be capable of hunting at all. The greatest hunters are not even Imbued at all, they're numina wielders. Imbuing them is pointless when they're able to end up on the Red List or as candidates for it without even needing help from the Messengers.
>>96773078Gangrel are the gypsy tribe. Ravnos are despised by gypsies, just like they're despised by everyone else.
>>96773671I dunno good spectator sport or something?
>>96769278>20th being overall the best20th has never been established the best for anything. Not vtm nor any other splat. But secondaries will secondary.
>>96773767Gangrel are the PRIMORDIAL TRVTH VOLKISH SPIRIT clan
Huh...You'd have thought they'd get along fine with other bloodsucking shapeshifters.
>>96774333This has to be an edit.
>>96774340Of course it is.
>>96774340Why is an AI posting in this thread?
>>96773129Very close, anon, but I am apparently INTJ
>>96774395>>96773129Hey that's a kinda fun stereotyping and mockery exercise.ENTJ and my favorite are Lasombra
>VTMB2 is out >It's shit Well, there goes my hope for any good WoD vidya
>>96774420I could make a great WoD game, but unfortunately I don’t have the connections to get hired as an ideas guy…
>>96774420Don't you worry anon. It was always gonna be a critical failure. Just like the first. The best WoD games are the VNs and choice games. This is known.
>>96774420I think hope was gone like five years ago dude. What had you seen since that showed any promise at all?
>>96768402I would love to, if anyone played it.
>>96774420Let's hope they manage to patch things into mid.
>>96774420it was in dev hell for years, fuck knows how many iterations it went through internallyi remember the first iteration was about starting as a thin-blood
>>96774564Alright who's the best Deathlord and why is it the Quiet Lord?
>>96774627because at least he is quiet about it
>>96774395Eh... 3 outta 4 close enough>>96774410Of course your opposing INTJ is Ventrue
>>96774616I didn't even know they changed that
>>96774662This is true and it's magnitudes better than Smiles and his little pathetic traitor moves.
>>96774742yeah fuck the smiling lord all my homies (even the living ones!) hate the smiling lord
>>96773078Going by pure numbers, most are from india.The european ravnos are often/typically gypsies, even though only one gypsy clan is aligned to them.I don't know from what population american ravnos would come from.
>>96774736yeah now you start as a 400 year old elder with semi amnesia and a malkavian neonate in your head
>>96772283Get creative nigga. Someone's trying to unearth the creation ritual and your coterie's gotta stop it. Someone is paying your coterie to find it. A BB mass is growing out of control and absorbing people left and right. A rogue brother is the only survivor of a BB set but doesn't know it. A new hat fad in town is secretly implanting BB vitae in its wearers and slowly all people on town are starting to look and act the same. Fuck lore, you're the ST. Do whatever you want.
>>96774420You had hope? I think ever since the first delay and>TCRI accepted fate
>>96772208The one time I had a hungry sisters player, they got enslaved by a dickass Tzimisce player who treated them like anime dolls and often tried "disassembling" and "customizing" them.The sisters player was strangely into it...
>>96768488Play ctl instead
>>96774594You can't patch the game not being an rpg.
>>96775094nta but I did like Still Wakes the Deep
>>96774333It's the >Hunters were the real monsters Trope but not dogshit
Okay so now that Bloodlines 2 is confirmed mid, is WoD finally dead?
>>96775501one can only hope so
>>96774420It's getting mostly 6-7/10 reviews so it's not THAT bad. Kinda par the course for WoD games like that janky Swansong game. Least it's not as bad as that WTA game.This might be copium but I also think journos are getting filtered by the combat and blaming the game. In that leaked playthrough yesterday the guy was playing on easy and still struggling.
>>96775501Not before we see who gets the IP next (Paradox already confirmed they will sell it regardless of how bloodlines 2 performs).
>>96775598You forget, in Journo terms 7 is mediocre. It shouldn't be, 5 or maybe 6 should be for a "meh" game, but nowadays anything below a 6 is unplayable garbage. 6-7 means it's mid at best.
>>96775501>finallyIt's been shambling along for a while.>>96775598That leaked playthrough was so odd to watch. Excluding the leaker speedrun thing, the dude seemed rather inexperienced.
>>96775617>Paradox already confirmed they will sell itplease source i need to read it (also thank fuck, they don't give a shit about wod at all, maybe there's hope for 6th edition)
>>96775629He's misinterpreting their statement. They basically said that they weren't going to do anything with WoD in-house even if Bloodlines 2 is good. So if it doesn't completely bomb, expect another 50 low effort supplements by Renegade. If it does bomb, maybe they sell it, maybe they just put everything on ice.
>>96775598I liked the WtA game...
>>96775648How was the combat?
>>96775617I did have a dream that GW bought the IPI'm really not sure what they would do with it
>>96775670Total WoD
>Shitlines 2 is getting completely eviscerated by the journosTOTAL PARAKEK DEATHTOTAL V5 DEATH
>>96775670They would make a wargame and a d100 rpg like Blood Junkies. It wouldn't be good thing but I'm sure we would get something interesting out of it every now and then.
>>96775714A Mage Total War game set during the Vargo takeover would be fantastic.Too bad they hate fun.
>>96775617One thing I never got about Paradox buying WoD is why they founded Nu-White Wolf and let them make such drastic changes to the setting? The whole point of buying the IP was to capitalize off the cult status of Bloodlines. V5 was essentially a marketing tool for Bloodlines 1, so you think they'd mandate limited changes to the lore in order to avoid V5 and Bloodlines 2 being inconsistent with one another.When CDPR bought Cyberpunk they mandated that Mike Pondsmith couldn't set new editions after a certain date so they didn't step on each other's toes.
>>96775795>One thing I never got about Paradox buying WoD is why they founded Nu-White Wolf and let them make such drastic changes to the setting?cause they had this one guy (swedish dracula) who had 2 friends at paradox and who convinced them that because larp was still around they could use the game to promote bloodlines and that he should be in charge of that with the only oversight being his own friends and fellow larpers
>>96775629hmm, it's not in news feed on their official website, just info that they are putting White Wolf back in charge of World of Darkness>https://www.paradoxinteractive.com/games/world-of-darkness/news/white-wolf-announcement>>96775647this seems to support what you're saying>https://www.pcgamer.com/games/rpg/paradox-wants-to-get-out-of-the-rpg-business-if-bloodlines-2-god-willing-is-successful-bloodlines-3-will-be-done-by-someone-else/specifically>"It is not in our strategic direction to make this kind of game," Lilja says. "So if Bloodlines 2, God willing, is successful, Bloodlines 3 [will be] done by someone else, on the licence from us.>>96775670I had a dream that my dog dug through a garbage pile and got half his face melted off by some chemicals. Somehow he was still chipper as usual.
>>96775665It was the main draw as far as gameplay goes, and I'd often purposefully fail the stealth sections so I could get into combat. Plus the only really fun part of the stealth is taking lupus form and running behind all the waist-high barricades. Don't go into it expecting an amazing game, but it's the best WtA game we'll ever get.
>>96772334You think we were joking when we said HtR was schizo-core?
>>96775795WoD metaplot wrote itself into a corner with Gehenna scenarios and impeding return of the antedeluvians, V5 was an attempt to reboot it with (somewhat) clean slate. V5 was also massive mechanical simplification - no bloodlines, no antitribu, no laibon legacies, no kinded of the east, half the disciplines got axed or merged. Also necessary chance to purge the game of "harmful stereotypes" (such as Ravnos being gypsy-coded).Overall the idea was to make whole thing more accessible for new player, which makes sense. It's just that the timing was unfortunate. But I'm pretty sure Bloodlines 2 was originally scheduled to happen before V5.
>>96775795WoD failed in the early 2000s for a reason, and the pivot to CofD was necessary to follow the zeitgeist of what was cool and what would sell. Look at WoD20, yes there is an audience for it, but it's small and it's niche. Paradox attempted to market to a larger audience and failed.
>>96775863Posts like this really reinforce the notion that a lot of V5's writers understood the problems with VtM.And then proceeded to make solutions that were worse than the problems they were fixing.
>>96775795Parashit is the exact same company which sells dozen of DLCs in an overall price of 1000 dollars. They were always bad. They just got lucky because they had a niche.
>>96775863>no bloodlines, no antitribu, no laibon legacies, no kinded of the east, half the disciplines got axed or mergedNothing of this is good. I'm fact is a good reason why V5 and Requiem are inferior to oWoD. They never had a solution for anything.
>>96775726Give us some samples, I'm in the mood for some bloodsports.
>>96775847Good to know. It always caught my interest but I never heard anything about it. I imagine, since it's WtA, that the campaign is straightforward. Something I could sink an afternoon into or so. Guess I'll keep an eye for it.
>>96775863>>96775875But couldn't you just do what V20 did and ignore alot of the meta plot? Honestly a meta plot agnostic version of Vampire with streamlined mechanics is my dream edition.
>>96775933Ign's article inb4 >ign, is weird. 7/10 aside they mention combat being all in third person which is pretty telling of them.Worst I heard was just old pc couldn't play it on the lowest spec because ue5 and particle effects being ever present in seattle's winter.
I know this isn't a combat focused game but how do I get the dnd group i dm for interested in this
>>96775932Requiem has a whole bunch of bloodlines and regional pseudo-vampires.
>>96775969ask them if they want to play
>>96775933Is getting absolutely destroyed everywhere. Eurogamer just gave the game a fucking 2/5.https://www.eurogamer.net/vampire-the-masquerade-bloodlines-2-review>But it doesn't develop. This is an action RPG with barely any character development (or even customisation) in it. You have four abilities you can use, tied to the clan you belong to, and you will unlock all of them within a couple of hours of play. And that's it - you won't get any more powerful after that. Powers don't evolve or change. You can, if you like, unlock powers from other clans, but this won't increase your overall power or offer more abilities to use in combat. It only offers variation and the potential to mix which four abilities you use, which might lead to finding a new combination you prefer, but it didn't for me. I ended up using more or less my default abilities for the entirety of the 25-hour game. This, coupled with there being no loot or equipment in the game, makes character development feel thin to the point of nonexistent. Action RPGs are power fantasies. The mechanical driving force of the game is to grow more powerful as you go through, to deliberate over character builds, but there's nothing like that here.Expect paracucks and V5 shills to go full damage control for this. But honestly they won't be able to stop an atomic bomb
>>96775953>But couldn't you just do what V20 did and ignore alot of the meta plot?No, at the end of the day the meta plot ones of the big reasons to keep up with the game books;
>>96776026But nobody is buying V5 books anyway...
>>96775795because they're morons. specifically, they tried to adress long standing issues with the series. both things that long time players wanted to see addressed but also things that scared off new players.they fucked it up in seemingly 2 ways:for one, WoD has this long standing issue with retarded writers trying to push their interpretation of the setting and how to play the game as the correct one. (WoD is generally very open about how you can interpret it, dipshits not withstanding) this was generally kept in check by the fact a writer could only change so much about the setting. V5 was a lot more open about what changes could be made, so devs could adress the issues they were looking at more easily, but they put no safeguards in place to keep the previously mentioned retardation in check, also not helped that this retardation came from the Swedish LARP scene which is a niche way to play vtm in the first placethe second issue is that if your looking to adress issues, one should scrutinize their solution to the same degree as the issue your looking to adress, which V5 doesn't do. it takes a very surface level read of the issues with the older editions but also doesn't consider the consequences of their "solutions" beyond the effects it has on the issue it is trying to fix
>>96776006No shit you fucking retardHow do i sell them on the game
>>96776098Because for the most part there isn't a good reason to use the V5 books.
>>96776233Source: my ass
>>96776121if you are looking to sell privately, you can just take their money directly, on the game or anywhere else, regional taxes may applyif you want to do it professionally you will need to create a company
>>96776297You're very faggy
>>96775932No KotE is an absolute win. Even if you like KotE, which many don't, it is made lesser by being weirdly grafted onto VtM. It should be its own splat divorced from vampire.
>>96776233As a GM and Player I've always preferred books that focus on mechanics over fluff. Lore is interesting and all, but I prefer content I can actually apply in sessions instead of a failed novelist rambling on for pages and pages. On the topic of V5, was there any good reason they couldn't just follow V20's example and just make the default setting late 90's/Early 2000s pre Gehenna? You could even release updated Victorian or Dark Ages books. Moving the timeline forward seems unnecessary when a big part of Vampire's appeal is the chic 90's goth vibe.
>>96775863>WoD metaplot wrote itself into a corner with Gehenna scenarios and impeding return of the antedeluvians"No."The build up was there but there were no canon resolutions for any of the splats, and "These are the Final Nights" was a theme ever since VtM 1e. There was zero reason V5 couldn't have been taking place during the Red Sign but before anything apocalyptic happens, especially with the thinblood wanking.>>96775953No one plays WoD for the rules.>>96775969Play Werewolf.
>>96776026Metaplot only came to the forefront in Revised when they were running out of ideas though. They were selling more substantive setting and mechanic books just fine beforehand. Metaplot was a cheap way to get Whale money for relatively little effort. But even then, do people really think that White Wolf just game ended Vampire the Masquerade, the always best selling and most popular gameline in a fiery apocalypse for no reason? Or that they thought a half-reboot half different game would sell gangbusters more?oWoD died. It has recently been benefitting from nostalgia and a second wave of interest borne of secondary material and newer generations rediscovering it. Many of its less popular gamelines have gotten more attention due to their heavy-handed anti-modernity message resonating more now than they did at the time. But to treat it as if it were this perfect thing that was just cut down arbitrarily by IP owners that hated money is silly.
>>96776393>Lore is interesting and all, but I prefer content I can actually apply in sessions instead of a failed novelist rambling on for pages and pages.Thank you. I swear it's only oWoD players that think differently. Everyone else understands fluff is a guideline, and yes you can homebrew around bad crunch, but it's always nice to have new, out of the box crunch. You don't get this sort of dogmatic adherence to "the lore" anywhere else I've been.
>>96776393because they wanted to appeal to new players so setting it in modern times made sense in that regard, they could've also waited a bit till the inevitable 90s nostalgia wave hit or set it in modern days but keep the 90s goth vibe, but then their twitter-brand "political commentary" would look out of place and retarded, rather then just retarded
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>>96763346Can they embrace the Bottom Line? No? Sorry, we're gonna have to hollow you out. Don't take it personally, it's just business.
>>96776121Real question is what splat are you going for? Vtm? Sell them on the disciplines. Hunter? Tell them its Supernatural the RPG.
>>96776411>play WerewolfI think if you wanted a more combat approach to interest DnD'ers angry furries isn't the play when you can do Wraith DnD instead
>>96775942Yeah it's frankly very streamlined though because the combat is okay it ends up getting a bit stale. It's another 6-7/10 wod game pretty much
>>96776121>>96776535Selling them on Supernatural RPG might be the easiest way though I sold it to my group on the premise of angry woofs turning things to paste and how ridiculous the overall setting was, and then pivoted to what I wanted them to learn with (Vampire) being kind of a cool noir-ish adventure
>>96775421It was okay but expecting a studio that has never done an RPG before to make a competent one is the peak of hopium huffing
Has there been any happenings in chronicles lately? I don't keep up with the news much so the last real big thing I remember releasing was HtV2e
>>96776575paradox is not greenlighting anything cofd or wod20 related anymore so some authors went and made homebrew on the storyteller vault, but otherwise it's dead
>>96776575If you like HtV they squeaked in Tending the Flame right before the Sw*des shut the door. It's a book with extra compacts and conspiracies. Most new, a few returning.
>>96776552I feel like Wraith would lead to much backstabbing in a D&D group
wod DESERVES a cp77 or bg3...........
>>96776826It'll never happen, either it's cross splat and therefore a mess or just focused on one and therefore only a fraction of the audience actually cares about it.
>>96776782That's part of the fun, Vampire could easily lead to the same amount of backstabbing but at least in Wraith it's not like backstabbing is going to get you killed very easily
>>96776111It was always kind of insane how Paradox turned WoD into its pet project, an attempt to make easy money through nostalgia and larpers that bred its own contingent of retards worse than the last ones. V5 really has nothing going for it other than better mechanics, something that matters little to the older players who embraced the jank and played it for the unique worldbuilding. W5 just revealed how their primary writers miss the point entirely and became far too opinionated to deliver a good game open to a wide range of interpretations. Bloodlines 2 will tank this whole brand into the fucking ground, and I hope someone with more brains will buy it out.
>>96776826Does it need one? Yeah but Paradox would never make it and an independent high budget capable studio would prefer to work on something they actually get money back
>>96776854Hunter game that ends with the biggest crashout ever unless you get embraced
>>96776552Wraith is too big brain for most D&Ders
>>96776597Well that's unfortunate. Is there any explanation of why?
>>96776986everything has been sidelined to help fifth edition sell
>>96776977It's relatively big brain but the ghost bureaucracy shit can easily be adapted to ghost DnD. The roleplay system would give them brain damage probably
>>96776986There is no offical statment from paradox or anything like that as we only learned that the lines are dead for that reason when people asked onyx path writers in a ama and they stated that they have pitched several already mostly written vtr, wtf and ctl books and both owod demon20 and hunter20 gamelines but paradox would not greenlight anythingmost common assumption is because they want to focus on wod5 and cut ties with onyx path (as they don't let these guys even work on v5 anymore)
Where do you steal your ideas from?
>>96777188Other stuff I play. Songs, books, movies, that stuff. I'm trying to wrap my head around a neonate that was yandere for their sire before the embrace and why their sire didn't just merk them.
>>96776877>I hope someone with more brains will buy it out.anybody with more braincells would avoid this cursed IP like the plague
>>96777229He was into it.Not in an 'actually likes her' sort of way, but in the 'complete narcissist happy to have someone acknowledge their greatness even if its fucked up' sort of way.
>>96777229>I'm trying to wrap my head around a neonate that was yandere for their sire before the embrace and why their sire didn't just merk them.toreador: was into itlasombra: if they did their embrace ritual they been morbidly amused by the fact that they fell for the person who ruined their life and didn't mind nosferatu: very morbidly amused but also secretly touchedGiovanni: you don't kill your little sibbling it's not good form and your mother/grandmother and aunt sire would both scold you
>>96775501If White Wolf survives until 2026 without any comment on the long-term viability of the franchise after the release of Bloodlines 2, I'll be surprised.
Where's the information about Arikel/Ishtar/Toreador being in Greece from?
>>96777317See that's what I was thinking. He's at a point where he was considering a childe too, so like win-win and then the yandere stuff shows up. Caused a bit of a hic up and kind of rose his hackles thinking it's some plot by a rival to get a plant under him. Maybe a more thorough vetting process.>>96777416Funny enough, I was actually thinking lasombra originally. The idea was that during the "watching" process he discovers the stalking for him and is intrigued. Cause he can't really remember when she started working for his company, he does remember his ghouls complaining about her though.
Do individual and pack totem traits have a cap in how much they can boost you?Or can someone with, say, Boar as a totem end up with Stamina 6 and Brawl 7 if they already had them at 5 before the buffs?
>>96776854vampire is the biggest fraction anyways
>finding out I'm only interested in my girlfriend for sex and not her as a personSplat for this feel?
>>96777682Anon, come on.
>>96777682Desire without attachment? Toreador, Spring Court Lost, Ecstatics.
>>96777682Congrats on your chrysalis into a satyr!
>find out I'm only interested in having a gf because of the social expectation of having one when I get extremely exhausted by normal/enjoyable social contactSplats for this feel? Do anti-social characters even work when a lot of these are social games?
>>96776861Not killed, no, because you're already dead. Since this is the WoD, though, things can always get worse. Enjoy being chow from Grammaw!
>>96777758Only if you enjoy exploring the stress of an antisocial character being forced into situations that are uncomfortable for them. Just allowing an antisocial character to moulder without any social contact is boring as fuck and limits their roleplaying to whenever they're allowed to use their stats to problem-solve.
>>96777518i asked this before and was told that it's from the gehenna fiction novel series where she trolls absimiliard into nukeing kupala but i haven't read those novels myself because i heard that they are pretty shit and very rushed even in comparison to the other vtm novels
>>96777844I got a dark ages char that's gonna be like that, a shepherd who spent so much time isolated while trekking through mountains that he was more empathetic to sheep than humans. He starts tweaking when he remembers that people are in fact able to recall their conversations with him from the day before and has to struggle to keep himself calm now that he's forced to be constantly surrounded by the rest of the pc group. I've been trying to think up ways to make this behaviour be entertaining and not some boring spaghetti spill
Any ideas for supernatural drugs?
>>96777926Vampire blood laced fent for hordes of tweaking ghouls
>>96777926Check out NarcoAlchemy from Unknown Armies for inspiration?
>>96777951Never heard of it desu
>>96777926ero-cocaine that's as addictive as cocaine but mostly a fertility/virility drug and aphrodisiac. could come in more typical designer drug forms. Might be known as ambrosia cause it makes humans feel 'full' when making them high in addition to the standard blinding arousal.
>>96777846>it's from the gehenna fiction novel seriesHuh. Well it seems even a bad story can have a few neat ideas. Even if it's mostly fan conjecture and headcanon, Arikel not giving a fuck and just unliving incognito on her pleasure island is great.
>>96777758Social expectations in general feels like a Ventrue thing, gotta keep your dignitas.Although for romantic relationships Toreador might be a better choice, given their social games and that an introverted artist can be embraced just as must as any social butterfly.>>96777846> the gehenna fiction novel seriesThanks. Do you remember the name of the series, or anything else that would help in finding it?
>>96777926A drug that immediately sends the user's conscience to the astral realm/high umbra.
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>>96777846>>96777981>>96778006I *think* the whole "Greek island" thing might be from somewhere else?I'm seeing a mention that she's not where Absimiliard thinks, but not where she is instead...>If Nosferatu succeeds in loosing the missiles, it doesn’t harm his Toreador counterpart. She doesn’t reside in New York. Ironically, as the web originates in Transylvania, homeland of the Tzimisce clan, Nosferatu’s destructive ire falls on Tzimisce himself, who supposedly lies beneath the sewers of Manhattan.>Further, an even more powerful force plays with Nosferatu, redirecting some of the missiles toward Beijing. Saulot hopes to provoke war between East and West, wiping out most of his competitors and annihilating the Kuei-jin who might know enough to destroy him. Thus, even the Antediluvians find themselves used as pawns in others’ games.
>>96778006>Do you remember the name of the series, or anything else that would help in finding it?If they are talking about what I think they are, Transylvania Chronicles IV might be the answer
>>96777926Supernatural dick pills. Literal miracle drug made from "ethically" sourced ingredients.
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>>96778217>no headache
>>96778167>t.
Ruleswise, what do I need to keep in mind when writing a Revenant family?
>>96778049That's just normal LSD in the world of darkness
>>96777926Ectoplasm. Shoot that shit up and you'll be feeling every emotion x200.
>>96778692That would be so fucking funny. Like wanting to kill yourself at the slightest inconvenience or crying in euphoria after finding a lost penny.
>>96777926what about a drug that would temporarily awaken someoneyou can't change reality, but you do temporarily get incredibly deep insight into a random paradigm, which fades from memory as the effects of the drug fade
>>96775648...i reley dont wan to say this, but i have to now.this game is so esey. i mean, all you do is hit the spacebar. thats it! how is this an RPG anyway? you cant contrail anything but what it says on the screen! what if i didnt want to buy the potion? what apout quests? all you can upgrade is stranth? there is no way you can lose to the boss at the end! this game is crap! its not even an RPG at all! i mean look at it! in what way is this supposed to be an RPG if you can do quests and stuff? all you do is press one butten the entier time! explain to me! the athore coments al totol lies! is it supposed to be stick dudes? i dont even know how this damn game got the daily 3rd prize, or a rating of 4.26!pepole think this review is worthles.go ahead! say it! i dont care! im just trying to make a point here!blam this piece of crap!!!!P.S the only reson im giving this a 1 is beacuase the voices where pretty good. but thats it!
>>96778167>it's poached Garou claws
>>96778934It's an action game, also>Garou hands typed this post
>>96776111>Swedish LARP sceneEven Swedish Suffering L.A.R.P.s won't try Wraith: the Oblivion...
>>96778994Do they even try other unpopular shit like Mummy or Demon
I was bored, so I thought of these parody titles.Vaults and Vampires Wildlands and WerewolvesChambers and ChangelingsMuseums and Mummies.
>>96777758Promethean.
>>96777975That's just meth.
>>96778734Just another normal day with bipolar disorder.
My recent concerns with HtP and the genuinely awful writing we've seen so far from Bloodlines 2 has heavily incensed me to finally nut up and try to make my own WoD web series. Figure I'd start with a solo character thing that's mostly audio with some immersive images. Do any of these ideas sound interesting?>The very bad night that led to the creation of a Hunter (Vigil, but with a decent amount taken from oWoD as well and a pinch of entirely custom stuff).>The introspective musings of a young Ventrue on the vampiric condition.>Humorous, almost greentext-like tall tales from Nomadic Sabbat.>A Hunter's Guide to slaying monsters. Short and episodic, the Hunter is clearly experienced but does not know everything and focuses way more on the practicalities of how to kill monsters than any sort of "lore".
>>96779278Would the sabbat be a revolving cast or would there be mainstays?
>>96778834For like 5 minutes, any questions about the paradigm will be answered truthfully. God help you if you get an insight into the purple paradigm or the nephandi.
>>96779278>Hunter stuffNo, HtP covers that niche>VentrueBetter, but that sounds more like an in character lore dump than a story.>SabbatProbably the best of those, I could see it working out. Our Sabbat MC goes around getting into hijinks and wacky adventures, lets you do short stories that can be as disjointed or connected as you want. I don't see many comedic takes on WoD, it's usually either maudlin sad shit or shonen style powerscaling fights.
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>>96779324My thought was to do a test recording to see if I could conceal the fact that it's me doing them all before I decided on that. I could also look into a voice mod and fine-tune it in such a way that it doesn't sound like shit. If that works, it could be a sort of "tales around the campfire" deal. Heck, if it gets some traction I could do a rotating cast with other people, but I wouldn't want to commit to that early on. I've had bad experiences with trying to do projects with friends. It becomes hard to keep people on task; you either strain the project or your friendship. >>96779360I'm not sure I'd agree with HtP covering the Hunter niche. It mostly loredumps oWoD with WoD5 admixture, the actual Hunter aspect feels very secondary to me now. It's one of the reasons why I have a hankering for it. Some good old grounded Hunter stuff. Though honestly the Hunter's Guide doesn't even necessarily need to be tied to WoD, arguably it'd be better if it wasn't since it gives one more freedom in what it can cover.The Sabbat series would be very dark humor, mind you. I don't like whitewashing those guys. All of these ideas are in the very early stages, thanks for the feedback.
>>96779372Not a big fan of apocalypse setting myself but it's neat that someone's giving Werewolf: the Forsaken some love. Really underrated game.
>>96778962Actually it's garou breast milk
>>96779426Imagine the gains. Jesus Christ.
>>96779278based but also>hunter perspective is covered relatively well by HtPI think maybe exploring more of the supernatural or a more blatant comedy would be good
>>96779426>>96779496It's time to be genetically different
>>96779389HtP kind of suffers from both being a Hunter-focused character drama and needing to dump a ridiculous amount of lore so that the audience actually understands enough of what happens in the setting yeah, I figure it'll go back to actual Hunter stuff when it focuses back again to the Tremere regent being the main antagonist
>>96777926From my players:>Forbidden Blessing of Bacchus>Brazilian wandering spider venom, Metis Garou blood, cordyceps, 1 pawn of tass per 100g in the form of honey, freshly extracted peppermint oil, lavender>Ointment aphrodisiac. Applied directly to the genital area, in the case of men it can be applied to the prostate for a stronger effect. The user's libido is increased to a bestial degree, driving them to copulate with little to no self control. Orgasms become strong enough to induce altered states of mind, and refractory periods become just a few seconds long. In the case of men, the volume of semen discharges is increased to 15-20ml.>The Perfect Cycle of Isis>Blue lotus root, red rose petals, menstrual blood from the user>Potion, or can be turned into a pill. The user's menstrual cycle is frozen for one month per 5mg of the substance, without any side effects to their libido or hormonal processes. Users can theoretically extend their reproductive years by decades. However, prolonged use may result in hyperfertility once the substance leaves the body.>Traveler of the Mists>Mandragora, cannabis, darnel, opium, heated on hot sand until the concoction forms thick vapors>Inhaling the vapors while meditating allows the user to perceive their thoughts as if they were physical reality. Can be used for multiple purposes, such as having conversations with one's inner self, experience premonitions with higher level of detail or explore the dark corner of one's mind. If multiple people inhale these vapors in the same place at the same time, they will experience shared hallucinations and be able to explore each other's minds. In addition, it allows one's mind to find paths to the Astral Reaches (still requires Spirit to cross them). Moderation is strongly advised, as the strong hallucinogenic properties of this drug still induce altered states of mind. Only those well versed in meditative practiced should use it.
>>96779557>hyperpreg drugsinteresting idea
>>96779557Now those sound like Ministry or pentex drugs.
>>96772334>>96775856https://youtu.be/FzoXQKumgCw
>>96779515I understand. I don't want it to come off as derivative. At the same time, Hunter is my favorite line and one of the main factors into my considering this is that HtP hasn't really been scratching the Hunter itch for me. Too much loredumping, a bit too jokey, that kind of thing. It's also a linear narrative with a lot of characters and that's not the direction I'd go in. But I appreciate the feedback.
>>96779628A classic>Everyone around you wants to get you, in reference to help
>>96779624Not really. They're very verbena/ecstatic standard.
>>96779044Does anyone?
I've been playing WoD/CofD three nights a week (different chronicles) on Discord VC with FoundryVTT. Everybody says online play sucks, but I found a good group. Am I a rare exception or something?
>>96778962>>96779426Why not both? We need to make sure nothing goes to waste
>>96779426How do you milk a garou, tho?
>>96780105yeah good online groups are rare as fuck and you got super lucky so... good job!
>>96779372Neat
>>96780687With a very sturdy pump.
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