Previous: >>96764348Universes Beyond is Dead Edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Make custom cardshttps://magicseteditor.boards.nethttps://mtg.designhttps://mtgcardsmith.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed) (embed) (embed)>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Easy mode, what you brewing?
Played my Ghyrson deck for the first time tonight. This is my first EDH deck. Everyone killed me first because they thought I would be a threat, which is a good thing right? It was very fun but I definitely need to make some changes.Cards in sideboard are cards I plan on buying. Open to suggestions.https://moxfield.com/decks/jHuqpuG7Dk6tGiYOU-c2lQ
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96772666>Satan is Anti-UB
Alt TQ
>In the future I'm going to do this too, until all these troons and middle aged geezers are blacklisted by Hasbro.WotC will just Pinkerton anyone who isn't toeing the party-line and all the remaining channels will be nothing but shilling the latest slop
>ze Professor is hiding under your floorboards, isn't he?
What do you know about Spider-Man?
>>96772697Oop, for >>96772681
>>96772697Good. This is the dream.
>TQSo right now I've pretty much decided I'm going to put away Golbez. I LOVE the way the deck plays, I love the mix of self-mill/graveyard and Artifact tokens, and I even adore how many fun little cards take on a nice life there. As is, my pile appears to be struggling, and it can't seem to close out a game if I can't get a combo rolling so it just sputters and dies while drawing a fair bit of attention because people know how strong the intent is.I'm debating splitting it into halves, more or less. One half, the artifact token half, focused on making a huge pile of tokens and either comboing off with that or just punching the shit out of people with it. The other half being mill/self-mill, focused on crushing my own deck into the graveyard for some kind of payoff. Right now, the two commanders I have in mind are Syr Konrad (Self-Mill/Mill) and Cayth (Artifact Tokens). Cayth being Jeskai means I can put all of my good black cards towards Konrad or a different mono-black deck if I decide on something else without fearing splitting up the good resources.>>96772138Pretty much as above. A mix of being sorta broke after not being able to do anything for a few months and not being sure what to do to build what I want to build.>>96772684I answered that I love magic, and I do. I had a lot of less than stellar things to say about the inclusion of Spider-Man, Marvel, and the way the release schedule has picked up so much that we never get to really enjoy any place/release too much before we're off to the races.
>>96772704Source on this? It's hilarious.But also show it to that faggot that keeps trying to deflect WotC changing Raphael's sais for cultural sensitivity reasons by saying they just did it as a "cute touch"Whether real or not, this shit seriously is the level of detail that goes into IP license contracts
>>96772721>I answered that I love magic, and I do. I had a lot of less than stellar things to say about the inclusion of Spider-Man, Marvel, and the way the release schedule has picked up so much that we never get to really enjoy any place/release too much before we're off to the races.I don't think that will matter. They ask so many fucking questions and they're nested so people can have completely different experiences answering them.I think all your answers amount to in the boardroom is>despite some hesitancy about UB and release schedules, player approval is at an all time high!I don't know what the right answer is though. I went with "like" because I assumed if I was negative about Magic they would convey it as me having a low degree of interest in the product and therefore my opinions are worth less
I want the soifessor to post a video about how WotC is hunting Magic content creators by name
>>96772704>we will never get Universe 42069 Spider Man where everything is the same except Peter always takes a deep drag and a shot before he goes out to beat the unmerciful shit out of whatever costume wearing faggot is trying to rob a bank that doesn't even have currency on hand anymore anyways
>>96772723I guess either Nickelodeon was on board with the change or they did not care to put it in the contract.
>>96772723>Source on this? It's hilarious.Leaked 2011 contract between Marvel and Sony Pictures Entertainment.
>>96772703Prof wasn't as negative as most
>>96772697based
>>96772756Well he still negatively influenced me, as I made sure to emphasize several times in the survey.
>>96772704>He gains his powers while attending either middle school or college.Why not high school? Is there a lore reason in Spiderman?
>>96772749>or they did not care to put it in the contract.Yeah bro, in their IP where the only distinguishing features of their 4 main characters are the color of their masks and what weapons they're holding, they just "forgot" to include that Raphael wields sais.I don't know how this is so fucking difficult for some people.I can tell you with almost absolute certainty that Nickelodeon signed an agreement to be bound by WotC's cultural sensitivity policy, among other things, and by the time anyone realized that WotC is so fucking cucked they can't even depict a sai anymore, it was so late in production that Nick let it go, especially since WotC made the jitte look practically indistinguishable
I said Papameat negatively influenced me
>>96772759Hey anon, I don't have time to be filling out surveys. Could you let WotC know I was also personally influenced by the individual who goes by the name "The Professor" on the channel "Tolarian Community College" on www.youtube.com?I just want to make sure they hear about this
>>96772760Whatever it is it's not applying to all Peter Parkers anyway. The first series of movies had him get his powers in highschool and that decent Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man show had him get them in highschool too. I wonder what it is supposed to be fore.
>>96772764>>96772723>this literally makes a man well over the age of 12 lose their minds
>>96772774Yes, it does. I for one am shocked that WotC wishes to erase the cultural contributions of the Ryukyu people and their proud history of martial arts by refusing the depict the sai. Instead they have replaced it with the Japanese jitte despite historic oppression from Japan towards the Ryukyu people.Do they not have consultants for this sort of thing?
>>96772773If it's from 2011 it's probably just some gay-ass market research where Marvel decided they already had the high school demographic and either needed to hit middle schoolers or college kids to make number go up
What's the best Green-White Deck for every format? My brother got married and I got his cards, I played like a few times back in Kamigawa, haven't really caught up with the game up in 20 years.
>>96772838>What's the best Green-White Deck for every format?>green-whiteWhy don't you ask your boyfriend?
>>96772849He only seemingly had green and white cards, and one or two red cards. If I can build something okay for a few games out of this, I'll buy more.
>>96772874>He only seemingly had green and white cards,So your brother married a man huh? What’s that like?
I am ashamed I'm gonna buy the TMNT set. But who cares no of this matters.
>>96772921I am gonna buy TMNT and I am not ashamed. It's RADICAL
Do you think Hasbro is gonna sue Prof?
> Alternate TQPost current edh deck lineup> Currently building Betor, Ancestor's Voice
>>96772975It's very bad optics. I don't expect it, but with big companies I wouldn't be surprised if they did.
>>96772921WotC couldn’t pay me to buy TMNT, unlike you
>>96772975lol why would they?
>>96772975Fuck I wish a nigga would.Tortious interference by the way, Hasbro execs, that’s what I’d go with
>>96773008Wait...I could pay you to buy TMNT?
>>96773012>he is pro-hasbrokek
>>967729750% chanceOn what grounds could they even do it
Can you give me an update on the latest drama? The Prof is a streamer and is getting sued by Wotc?
>>96773031prof is some magic creator who's been shitting on UB setswotc recently put out a survey about spiderman, and if you answer that you don't like it (and that you heard about it from a content creator) the survey asks you to specifically name what creator that was.Everyone has thus gone to the inevitable conclusion, which is that Hasbro is planning to lean on/blacklist/sue/whatever creators who don't toe the criticism line
>>96773049You don't need to hear it from a content creator to figure out that Spiderman is shit.
>>96772838>for every formatGreen is only playable in EDH. There aren't any Selesnya decks in other formats. If it's a present, you can buy him a borderless temple garden.
Friendly reminder that Crop Rotation should NOT be a game changer.
>>96773093but.... tutor a land, anon? OP, anon!
>>96772704>Is not a homosexual
>>96773101but he CAN be homosexual while wearing the black suit that turns you evil
>>96772838>my brother got married and I got his cardsGrim. I remember an old mate of mine inherited an incredible collection (conplete set of Revised dual lands, many other reserve list cards) from another mate because he was about to he divorced. He knew that his ex-missus would come after him financially, so he gave away his entire collection which was valued at just below 40,000 dollarydoos.
>>96773031Prof is the biggest magic youtuber. Only reason people are specifying him. He wasn't in the top 10 most negative youtuber faggots
>>96773104That condition was hilarious.
>>96772981My current decks (all bracket 3 unless specified)>Bhaal >Yawgmoth (b4)>Thrun the last troll>Sokrates >Bosh Iron Golem>Hearthhull>Blex>Flubs (b4)>Emiel
>>96773156Post Bosh.
>>96773156>flubs>gay unicornYour commander choices were kino until these 2
>>96773156>Sokrates Really want to make him work but he is just so shit unless you build him as group hug which is the ultimate reddit archetype
Are there any decent MtG lore youtube channels? Aetherhub does good work, but his voice is so annoying.
>>96773089I'll buy the card, but I doubt the woman will let him keep any stuff like this. They're having a child and she's been fucking pissy over anything. So I'll just keep the cards, so, mono Green it is, then, already not feeling this will be good. >>96773113Yeah, I've pretty much got all his stuff that is "creepy dweeb incel shit", I'll drink to my brother's freedom and miss the old days
>>96773199Treat his collection well, anon. Maybe someday you can play cards with him again.
>watching Lorwyn lore run down>"Lorwyn takes inspiration from the British Isles: England, Scotland, Wales, and Ireland"Oh no no no noooo
>>96773225What exactly do you mean?
>>96773214I will. Guess this is his chance to join society, act like a plywood McHouse is the apex of civilization, and buying shitty porcelain dishes means something. So, as someone who was out of the game, what's EDH, what's Commander, what's all this Spider-Man garbage.
>>96772981No major updates except getting nicer treatments for some cards. Xavier is nearly together; just missing basic lands. Vihaan is nowhere close though.Still ironing out lower-power Cat Tribal; Jetmir is still looking to be commander for R cat jank.Also toying with the idea of Legendary Matters Aristocrats with Ratadrabik of Urborg as secret commander and finding a home for B Yshtola and my shiny Starfield Vocalist, which could be with Rats if I can find an Esper commander that plays nice.I've also started collecting random red burn spells I like, so I'm gonna need to work out a proper spellslinging deck sometime.
>now scrambling to delete every post i have ever made calling UB slop in fear of being sued by WotC
>>96773253EDH (also known as commander) is a 100-card singleton 4-player FFA format. It has the rule that you must set 1 legendary creature card in your deck (or a planeswalker who has the "can be your commander" text line) as your "commander". This means you can cast them at any time from the "command zone", and if they enter a zone that is not the battlefield or the command zone you may return them to the command zone. If they are in the command zone, they cost {2} more for each time they have been previously cast from the command zone.Also, cards in your deck must match the colour identity of the card you set as your commander.As for spiderman, that's the latest instalment in what wotc calls universes beyond, which are crossover sets featuring stuff from non-magic IPs.
>>96773177Lorebrarians is good, but he doesn't cover MtG a whole lot these days.
>>96773293Thank you for the answer, I'll be honest in not liking how it sounds, so I'll stick to normal duels, maybe I'll buy some set today.
>>96773049I didn't come to that conclusion because it is retarded
>>96772981Only two aren't UB so it'd derail the thread
>>96773199There's an amulet titan deck in modern format if you want to go mono Green. It would be a bit tricky to play for a newcommer. I also took a quick look at the meta and there's a selesnya angel deck in pioneer, although it has a very small percentage of the meta. You probably won't play either of them unless you live in a metropolis. Game stores rarely fire modern and pioneer events these days.
>>96772666>brewingA soulful non-m15 border deck its been a kong process so far and I barely have narrowed down what I wantAlso the pw izzet artifacts precon but I can only change cards when I lose. This deck has not changed much because my playgroup is that bad>buildingI made a 50 dollar intruder alarm deck a month or two ago to prove a point in this thread, i liked it enough to build it but im still looking through bulk to put the pieces together.>tuningMy boomer 5c basic land deck, losing ruination or forcing it to go to bracket 4 is making it hard to figure out what to do. I tried swapping the commander but I didnt like the result.
>>96772666>TQ: Easy mode, what you brewing?Waiting For Lorwyn so I can put the -1/-1 coubter cards in my Scorpion God deck. The precon commander is likely to be better, so I might end up moving hin to the 99.>>96772684lollmao
>>96772684I love magic the gathering! The brewing potential in edh and modern is basically unlimited. It genuinely is my second favorite hobby next to disc golf.
>>96772774Its not a virtue to not care about anything zoomer.
>>96773605I care about fun.
More anime cards. That's all.
Fewer extended art cardsMore retro borders
>>96772764WOTC doesn't have a day over these things. The IP holder does. No one considers a sai offensive and anyone who does would not suddenly consider a jitte non offensive when bother are asian weapons and are very similar.The primary difference is one is a stabbing weapon
>>96772981Is Jetmir fun? I'm planning to build him with a hatebears theme but i'm fearing that the table will nuke it as soon as he enters the battlefield.
>>96773656>The "WotC didn't want this, Viacom demanded it for this tie-in product and this tie-in product only" retard is back>Toski gets posted shortly after
Commander for this feel?
>>96772666>TQThis, I saw it and was taken by a fey mood. Ships n' skeletons for crewing them, it's absolutely a casual deck. Every boat I could get is in there, I have no idea if it even functions. There's some minor -1/-1 stuff , some untap, and some proliferate, no infect because that mechanic is a mistake. Wincons are boat damage (very unlikely), Darksteel Reactor, Mechanized Production, and Revel in Riches. There's theft (Thada, Praetor's Grasp, Dazzling Sphinx) if my own wincons aren't going to work and I need someone else's. Can any anon help a man out with any ocean or ship themed cards in dimir? They do not have to be good.
>>96773631But what anime?FF was probably the last best chance for anime cards.
>>96774020The next one will be a Solo Leveling Secret Lair
>>96774020>assuming Hasbro won't do another FF set
>>96774019whelming wave, engulf the shore, river's rebukeMaybe you also want flood counter cards so your ships can attack people who don't control islands, so aquitect's will, eluge, etc
>>96773631This. I will buy anime UB. Make it happen wotc. I know you shameless, money grubbing, big nosed, crooked back, hand rubbing, nationless, matriarchal, beady eyed, snagletoothed, rootless, international, socialist, Jesus killing, God hating, "chosen" people want my goy bux. Well here's your chance. Make it and I will buy it.
>>96773980Golos
>chairith isnt the participation promo of rcq eventsThose Bastards Lied to Me
>Politicked player into making horrible decision that let me winGenuinely zero satisfaction from this shit. Why do people insist this is the peak of EDH?
>>96774206why didnt you go full stonewall?
>>96774081>whelming wave, engulf the shore, river's rebukeI have these in the sea monsters deck, can't believe I forgot them. They'll bounce the skeletons, but most of them are very cheap or they'll be dead by then.>aquitect's will, eluge, etcI remembered spreading seas, but not quicksilver fountain. Big fish is another brain fart from me since he's in the other ocean themed deck. Thanks anon.
>>96774206Any time somebody tries to politic at my table I do the same thing: Tell the other two players that if they don't interfere with me killing them, I will concede immediately after doing so.After a while, people at my lgs learned not to politic when playing with me.
>>96774304you sound like a faggot it's meant to be a 4 player game, not a 2 player game where you immediately concede after killing someone
>>96774230
>>96774304This would not discourage me in the slightest
>>96772672Everyone probably killed you first because that commander is for giga faggots.
>>96772666>tqMono blue Enchantress. Mostly auras, but not all. What I really like is that I can include multiples of unblockable/hexproof and not feel bad because she's still getting buffed by devotion.
>>96774019Hullbreaker horror is really overpowered but an obvious choice. Most of the sea monster related cards should be a good fit, as long as they aren't the ones that bounce all non-sea monsters.
>>96774304I would ignore this. Not because I don't believe you, but because I believe you're not good enough to succeed.
>>96772666>TQDimir clues/artifacts/mill. I want to sneak in cool damage effects with lazav.
>>96772372why would being mana flooded be worse than screwed if you have draw spells? are you one of those pusnuts who considers a cantrip to be a draw spell?
>TQCurrently brewing: Ian Malcolm group hug, Jadzi maze's end, waiting to see whether Dragon's Approach gets a reprint in Strixhaven to build out Firesong and Sunspeaker >>96772981>current 8
>>96772666>TQ: Easy mode, what you brewing?Copycat. It started as a Gogo deck but I decided since copying permanent spells becomes tokens, I could do better.
>>96772704> race not mentioned
>>96774019>it's absolutely a casual deckNo shit.> 5 CMC> no haste> -1 countersLet me guess, you gonna prolif them
>>96774576>Peter Parker is Caucasian
I got some friends to play with me on tts but they're new to the game and turns take forever because we gotta do math and look up rules and shit. Whats the best client with rules enforcement, mtgo/xmage/forge/cockatrice?
>>96774576>he is Caucasian and heterosexual.
>>96773253>act like a plywood McHouse is the apex of civilization,If you don't own a house, you need to stop consooming cardboard.
>>96774576>text says that he is Caucasian>Anon for some reason thinks this doesn't mention race.
>>96774595>>96774603>>96774628Plz dont bully me, I saw heterosexual not caucasian
>>96773980
r8 my commanders :)
Going to my first fnm in monthsWhat am I in for?What's popular right now?
Need to find the image of Trinket Mage begging for MLD when he has a hand full of non-MLD answers to land ramp.
>>96774776>What's popular?Being bad at deck building, bring literally any shitpile, you will do fine
>>96774352I have a sea monsters deck but the overlapping themes are inevitable. It does need more blue.>>96774593Slowly and badly with a whole two cards, absolutely. I could run Horobi or Dismiss into Dream to actually kill things, or Maha but my group got *really* asshurt the last time I did that.
>>96774791Found it>>96774447Tangentially related.
>>96774598Just learn the rules numbnutsIt's not that complex
>>96772981Rakdos, Lord of RiotsBaral, Chief of ComplianceArdbert, Warrior of Darkness
>>96774842swords doesn't stop azusa. they can immediately slam more lands and by then it's already too latecrucible does nothing in pic rel and there are way more and better versions of it those effects these days where they get at least that one land play out of it before you can respondjust like that enchantment for example and if you run all these cheap one offs against 2 other opponents you will lose. no, the others don't have it (removal)
Posted a while back about contemplating this deck. I'm slowly acquiring pieces for it, but I'm at a bit of an impasse about how to actually make everything gel.>Earthcraft/Cryptolith Rite effects to turn your archers into mana on everyone's turn>Virdian Longbow effects to ping and draw every turnBut the equipments that let you do what viridian longbow does are few and far between, and the payoffs seem weak. There aren't very many enchantments that you can take advantage of that are tap: do thing.I don't really want to win with accrue guys + Craterhoof, and I'm not a combo player. So the actual end result of generating card advantage and mana is still a bit up in the air.
>>96774905Fetches need to go on the stack and you can only play a land when the stack is empty.
>>96774842This is only a problem in bracket 3.What a nothing.
>>96772981Currently building Azlask and Kroxa.
>>96774914they still got an extra land drop out of it. congratulations, you have stopped nothing
>>96774948No they don't?>Play fetch (1 land)>Crack fetch>Explode extra land card>Can't replay fetch
>>96774948>play fetch >+1 land>Crack fetch >-1land>put land onto battlefield >+1 landIf RiP is on the board it's a bust but removing a land based players ability to reuse fetches is a net positive.
>>96774020>Yu-Gi-OhWith accompanying Planeswalker archetype and set of Land continuous spells
>I will do anything to win>Except run removal or protection
>>96774956you are banking on them being an idiot and not playing their normal land drop before casting an extra land enabler, or baiting
>>967749863 mana for an Explore that doesn't cantrip is very bad value anon and this is their best-case scenario where you're not mogging their GY.
>>96774020Nier/dragkengard fans are the insane enough to buy blinged cards
>>96774979RIP is the only actual answer, yeah. but that is IF they are playing only fetches and not just slamming from handcounterspells work better but those are single uses too for that low cmc
>>96774995yeah? you are -1 in removal and then they play her out again next turn since it's always available and they got that extra fetch ala golosI'd say not in the command zone it's not. man, sometimes it feels people have not played against her at all
We killed another format sisters!who is next?
>>96775007Most land fall decks are GY decks because it's the most efficient way to get land drops. Playing grave hate will clip the wings of any land playing deck.
>>96775042collectors can't turn this game in to a non-game product fast enough
>>96775034>Uh actually if you remove the terrorist they win
>>96775061sure, but it needs to be a constant effect. doing it once against a full suite of fetches is not gonna do much
>>96774020>>96774093I actually meant anime artstyle cards like those ones in Foundations
>>96775042Pioneer still alive in Arena, which is where all formats outside commander are played anyway
>>96774947Hey, I have a Simic tournament tomorrow and I am running Kraj
grixis spellsingerwhich way white man
>>96774983>poop poop>butt buttWow thanks for contributing to this thread anon
>>96775204The only way is jeleva storm
>>96775230Are you implying this isn't the average EDH player's thought process?
>>96775246Its mine that's for sure
>>96775250>my response
>>96775042Who's left? >Pioneer>Tiny leaders>Oathbreaker>BrawlI never see these played. I have never heard of anyone playing Oathbreaker.>Modern/legacy/vintageI never see these locally, but hear about them.>PauperI make pauper decks, but nobody else plays locally.
Yes, I play tier onehttps://archidekt.com/decks/12524328/bill_ferny_we_sell_horses_here
>>96775276Out if curiosity how would this stack up to bracket 2
>>96775246>i would do anything to winAlready wrong right hereWaacfags are a very small portion of the player base mr poopbutt man
>>96775339Add Counterspell
>>96775364Thats not what i asked at all lol
>>96775367Either you’re ESL or I am
>>96775376Definition 2, in this case.
>>96775391Ahh. Well it does good against the bloomburrow and tarkir precons, but I rarely win. I just become incredibly annoying
This shit is so weird. They print this cool ass artwork of Ikoria's monsters, but for supreme verdict. A WU creature boardwipe. Meaning decks that run these cool creatures, and by extent people who like these cool creatures, are most likely never going to run this card. Why not have this be a reprint of Triumph of the Hordes? Finale of Devastation? Overrun? It's so bizarre
>>96773063>>96773435They’re covering their ass because they owe Disney money. They need an excuse for the flop
>tq brudiclad funny token man>>96772981
>>96775274pentagram bros...
>>96775522That Hogaak deck sounds fun.
>>96775549Nta but can confirm
>>96775549very fun. put whole deck in grave and pray
>table is quiet as a funeralCommander is a social game, autists. You can make quips without the fear of being kicked
Any better Artwork for this?
>>96775276I'm such fucking dumbass I cannot believe I spent all this time not realizing you just pack it full off giant fucking timmy spells now I feel compelled to build him
>>96772981I'm almost certain there's more decks but I grow tired of making this image
>>96775760>a cat as a wife.dekFurfags are so disgusting.
>>96775479It is a strange choice. Wouldn't have fit better on some random green thing. Maybe Overwhelming Stampede.
>>96772981all bracket 2>airxmethes, lucea and xenagos my timmy decks. no matter how often I rebuild them, their power is always above average, and they all allow for a lot of variety>betor does a bit of everything and needs optimizing. haven't tested him enough with friends yet, only ~5 games so far.>gut<$100 rakdos aristocrats tokens - has probably the most wins because people never see the mass sac coming. downside is, winning with it feels empty and boring>norinartifacts + token groupslug = retard alert in sector stupid>hyldamy most boring deck that's reserved for games with too little interaction so I can keep multiple aggro timmies in check and assume the role of the big bad that everyone has to team up against
>>96775765no, dipshit, it's my wife's deck.both of the wife.deks are hers
>>96775794>no, dipshit, it's my wife's deck.I get that you find the cat attractive but you should know people find it disgusting.
>>96775803being willfully ignorant was funny a few years ago but now it's really overplayed.
>>96772735I wanna believe that they may start to slow down set production and maybe get better about choosing what UBs to include. 1-2 UB sets per year, with it being highly compatible with Magic wouldn't bother me. But seeing the schedule for next year where it's just.... not good, makes me sad.
>>96775779Norin leaves
>>96775779forgot one>inspirittoken with focus on constructs, very defensive timmy deck, has won a game once where everyone teamed up against it from the start
do you design your decks by maths or feels?
>playing a strictly bracket two game>been behind the the whole time with my mana rocks getting blown up, but the two people with the best board states are whittled down>me and the remaining guy have under five life each, his creatures have no flying and I send my two double-strike dragons at him >he cheers as he holds up a Teferi’s protectionFucking bracket liars
>>96775909I use a loose template to make version 1.0 then use feel for any changes I needthe template starts with 35 lands, 10 ramp, 10 draw, 10 removal, 10 smoothing 25 cards that do something related to my plan.
>>96775779>>96775893On the subject of inspirit, this "flagship" being 3cmc is just SADDamn power creep
>>96775909Feels, mostly. My rough drafts (with lands) tend to end up somewhere around 130-150 cards, and then I edit it down while adding in better card draw. I'll only really care about mana curve when I'm down to the final ~110 cards, but I've never had issues with curve anyway
>>96775909Play it by ear mostly. Focus on a bunch of synergistic to the commander and theme stuff then test in games or in test hands to get a feel for how much more removal or mana options and other stuff I need.
>>96775924How strictly bracket 2 was the game, I could see giving him a gameloss in some situations.
>>96775909>all those lands>a standardized curve for???? Reasons!!>absolutely no spells the same cmc as my commanderWhew is this supposed to be as bad as it can possibly be or we just lucky today?
>>96775948Everyone there had plenty of decks to choose from, we said before starting that we’d lower the power level to bracket 2. Teferi’s condom isn't 2, simple as
>>96775909>ever going lower than 10 mana rocksThis is how you know mtg content creators are actually stupid. A mana rock is there to support your average curve. Your average curve does not change game to game, therefor you are always incentivized to bring enough rocks to see them on curve every game or not include them at all. The cost of the rocks may change based on higher or lower average cmc, worn powerstone getting you from 3-5 is a big deal for someone like karametra for example.
>>96775959Game loss/he concedes on the spot, nothing to see here.
>>96775949>>all those landsmana rocks a shit. lands are free real estate.>>a standardized curve for???? Reasons!!to achieve the highest chance of curving out perfectly>>absolutely no spells the same cmc as my commanderwhy would you need a spell with the same cmc as your commander to perfectly curve out?>>96775965To play a mana rock, you pay mana, but it doesn’t immediately generate value in the metric (because it’s not counted). In early turns, spending your mana on artifacts that don’t “count” is less efficient than putting that mana into spells that do count (i.e. your curve).
>>96775909Apart from my 36 land limit, I go by gut.
>>96775971>To play a mana rock, you pay mana, but it doesn’t immediately generate value in the metric (because it’s not counted). In early turns, spending your mana on artifacts that don’t “count” is less efficient than putting that mana into spells that do count (i.e. your curve).none of this drivel would explain why you would include less than critical mass of a card type that your deck wants to see every game. If you dont want to see it every game, then your deck does not need any. Its a 10 (honestly more like 12) or 0 situation. Including 7 mana rocks is just asking for a deck that plays inconsistently for no real reason.
>>96775983bottom or upper limit?
>>96774447Lands are dead draws if you already have enough, spells always give you more options. Even if you were a literal retard and kept a 1 land hand, theres no end of spells that will draw you cards for 1 mana. Shit like Esper Sentinel and Mystic Remora might even draw you a bunch
>>96774803I lost both games! Had fun and sold some cards though
>>96776033>sold some cardsbased, I gotta start trading more cards in instead of just buying them.
>>96775522Link me your Roxanne deck? I built her once as a rock tribal deck (every card has to be related to rocks in some way) and then as a token spam deck to get as many meteors in play as possible.I'm curious how other people build her.
>>96776012There are lots of lands with abilities attached to them and the only downsides to them are two enchantments that nobody runs and maybe someone will bring strip mine but even that's not much of a downside if you're running mostly nonbasics.
That one anon who said the star trek set should be 4c matters really got to me and I think wotc should focus in on the most retarded possible mechanics for 4c matters for the flavor. So behold: 4c monarch matters support Did anyone ask for this? No. Did I post it anyway? Yes.
>>96775936True, this thing brings insane value early into the game. The fact that it stays an artifact for the first few turns is also crazy.
>>96776054>There are lots of lands with abilities attached to themTo my knowledge, not a single fucking one of them says "draw a card"Land abilities are nothing like spell abilities, don't start this retarded shit
>>96776068I like it. good artwork choice.
>>96772666>TQFlipping between a bunch of things and stonewalled on all of themI haven't actually made a playable deck in about 2 years
>>96776086>no lands draw you a cardare you for rizzle at the momentizzle? my retardizzle?
>>96776086
>>96775971>mana rocks a shit. lands are free real estateGetting to 4-6 mana is a crucial threshold in edh, pretending like each additional land is equally valuable is a noob/math nerd trap.you want to get there asap and lets say lands 6-8, for the most part, are less valuable and continue to decrease in value as you accumulate more of them. for casual edh, it is best to be able to generate 4 mana on turn 3 somehow. with 4 mana you can generally begin to either gain tempo against your opponents or start to generate significant card advantage.
>>96776114I lost to this card on mtgo oncedawg that game took 2 hours, we both almost timed out
>>96776092If you need help, I'm all ears. I was in that situation last winter, it sucks.
>>96776099On ETB? No.We're talking about the difference between being mana screwed and mana flooded, in case you need reminding.My point is that with very little mana you can draw into more cards and dig your way out of being screwedIf you are flooded you have no spells to cast and more lands are just dead drawsCase in point:>>96776114>I CAN SPEND 5 MANA TO DRAW 1 WHOLE CARD, IF AND ONLY IF I CONTROLLED 10 PERMANENTS AT ONE POINT IN THE GAME!!!!!That's shit. If you have 5 fucking mana to spare, you have mana to spend on actual spells.>>96776126>>96776128Ohhhh okay now the faggot is just going to keep spamming irrelevant cards because he didn't read the conversation he jumped into. Great.
>>96776086Bait or mental retardation? Call it.>34 cards where the card types include “land” and the text includes “draw a card” and the cards aren't double-sided and it’s legal in Commander
>>96775990the model used wants to hit the curve perfectly with valueable spells because it assumes games are usually won by whoever spends the most mana over the course of a game. a mana rock isnt considered a valueable spell because it doesnt generate some kind of advantage or value towards your board state.the model revealed that if that is your premises and playing a cmc 4 commander you will more likely hit a perfect curve if you play 7 cmc 2 mana rocks as the delicate balance between hitting it in your first 9 cards (respecting the free mulligan) and not hit any further rocks.
>>96776133>war room>irrelevant cardnigga wat?
>>96776133>gets unequivocally proven wrong>shitposts in responseMany such cases!
>>96775909all card games are maths games
>>96776133you're flooded dog what else are you spending the mana on you fucking idiot
>>96776133Ironic shitposting is still shitposting
>>96776136>>96776148>>96776154>>96776156>>96776158Actual mouth-breathing retards. Delete your Wizards Play Network accounts but irl
>>96776133>Say some dumb shit>Get proven wrong easily by multiple people>"noooo actually that doesn't count! You don't actually have any mana to spare when you're flooded!"
>>96776133>moving goalposts.jpgIt really is that hard for some people to admit when they were wrong, isn't it?
>>96775971>curving out perfectlyLooks different for every deck:) you are bad at magic!>why!See above. Playing your commander on curve is not always the right move. I feel like youre bad and new and trying to compensate>mana rocks badI suspect you picked that up from me but you went to far.
>>96776164Absolutely mindbroken
>>96776164>caught in 4k>n-no you're all retardedahahahahaha you fucking faggot
>>96775993Limit, motherfucker. No more, no less.
>>96776133>>96776164Over 20 years later, still the truest thing to ever get posted.
>>96776164>>96776146Anon you missed one
>>96776169>>96776170>>96776178>>96776180>>96776182You're actually the ones moving the fucking goal posts.It was a conversation about screwed vs flooded. Point being lands are dead draws. You would always prefer to be screwed and have draw spells than be flooded.It was obvious I was referring to draw on ETB since I was making a comparison to spells.You faggots then started posting land spells that make you jump through a billion hoops and only work several turns into the game by which time you'll already have a fucking draw engine in this formatAct retarded all you want.You are wrong. You know you are. You have no real life accomplishments and this compels you to overvalue semantic victories on an image boardkys yourselves
>>96776211>SHITCOCK
>>96772666Gabriel Lure Tribal.
>>96776211>resorting to "no u"lol. fucking lmao, perhaps
>>96776116the model assumes playing a cmc 2 spell which is not a mana rock and developing your board gives you more advantage over your opponents who are "wasting" their turn 2 by playing a do nothing artifact.if you dont follow this mindset the model becomes irrelevant to you.should your deck be able to use said mana rocks in some kind of commander synergy this also changes things.>>96776175your are arguing against a model projecting it claims to be the truth to the ramp discussion when its a narrow math model working under strict assumptions by its author to be used as a general guideline and inspiration for your own deck building.
>>96776211>I'm NOT OWNED! YOU'RE OWNED!
>>96776211>You would always prefer to be screwed and have draw spells than be flooded.hahahahahahahahahaha>be mana screwed>have 6 draw spells in hand>not enough lands to cast any of them>5 turns later still no lands>concedegg no re
>>96776211If you can cast draw spells you weren't screwed. You're too stupid to consider what happens when you have lands and draw spells (you can dig for no lands). Running less lands makes your draw spells less effective at finding lands. 1 draw is not enough dig to justify a one land hand. All multiplied by the number of colors you need. You're bad at math.
>>96776250>>be mana screwed>>have 6 draw spells in hand>>not enough lands to cast any of themWhat 6 draw spells do you have in hand that you can't cast?Go ahead, name them. You didn't keep a 0 land hand, did you? So you have at least 1 or 2 mana. So you filled your deck with 3+ mana draw spells? Why did you do that anon?
>>96776211>You faggots then started posting land spells that make you jump through a billion hoops>land spell>playing a land and spending 3 mana on its activated ability is jumping through a hoopAnon, go touch grass.
>>96776239>I just posted it i dont agree with itWorm.
Being flooded wouldn't be so bad if there was some kind of legendary creature you could build your deck to take advantage of and if you could cast that even if it wasn't in your hand or something.
>>96776262You're so carried by brainstorm and fish it's crazy. Blue players have a massive handicap.
>>96776262>You would always prefer to be screwed and have draw spells than be flooded.so...>claims to have draw spells in hand>can't name them himself>demands other people name his spells in his hypothetical situation in his hand that he can or cannot playHm.
>>96776211>it was obvious I was referring to etbBut thats retarded anon? No one can respond to a land being played (unless it triggers something but youre responding to the triggers not the land drop itself), they would only be able to respond to you using its activated ability. An activated ability on a land to draw cards is in essence the EXACT SAME as playing a spell to draw cards, except better because almost no one runs stifle effects, whereas your draw spell could (and should) be countered.
>>96776276>IM TOO GOOD TO PLAY GOOD CARDSAaaaand there it fucking is. Thank you for acknowledging that this game is full of low cost draw spells that completely justify running fewer than 42 lands.It's not just blue by the way, but you knew that, it just hurts to admit.
>>96776289Esper and Ragavan yes we know you're a retard who gets farmed in limited because you can't edhrec up a deck list in that environment.
>all these contrarians seriously dogpiling someone to defend a faggot e-celeb saying all decks need to run 42 lands instead of mana rocksNew thread can't come soon enough, we're already in the shitposting phase.
>>96776302capaldi.jpg
>>96776310That's not the filename I use
>>96776302>loses in spectacular fashion>resorts to samefagging and third-person defending himselfThis is almost as pathetic as that guy that defended himself complaining about basic lands costing 5 whole cents
last night i played magic in a dream and Brainstorm was a draw 2 discard 1 without the scry
>>96776262nta but missing your third and fourth land drops is back breaking. most draw spells used these days are repeatable draw engines around mv 3 & 4 and require additional cards to function. when your start to play a 2 drop on turn 4 to trigger an enduring innocence to hopefully draw your fourth land you are already falling behind.
>>96776322Yeah anon you're completely right, everyone who disagrees with you and no one is allowed to comment on you defending something stupid
>>96776335>most draw spells used these days are repeatable draw engines around mv 3 & 4 and require additional cards to functionAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAhttps://scryfall.com/search?q=f%3Acommander+o%3Adraw&unique=cards&as=grid&order=edhrec&dir=asc
>>96776362what are you trying to proof with this lazy shitlist?
>>96776362Most of the repeatable engines here are mv 3 or 4 anon
>>96776362>1 – 60 of 2,186 cards where it’s legal in Commander and the text includes “draw” and the mana value > 2>2186/3181 cards over 2cmc>more than 68%yes, you just proved him right.
>>96776362>provides the proof for anon>laughs at himWhat a bizarre post. Most of these engines are 3-4 mana and the ones that arent are shitty cantrips
Certainly one of the weirder melties we've had, lately
>>96776145I ran the assumes through a hypergeometric calculator and it also seems to assume you are incapable of taking mulligans. >whoever spends the most manathis is one of those Command Zonesims that is just patently wrong. Not every deck uses mana as efficiently as each other, take your average artifact deck as an extreme example. >because it doesnt generate some kind of advantagehitting a significant threshold a turn early is a huge advantage, the power gap between 3 drops and 4 drops specifically and getting to 6 drops as well. > 7 cmc 2 mana rocks as the delicate balance between hitting it in your first 9 cards (respecting the free mulligan) ((your model doesn't respect the mulligan but I repeat myself)) and not hit any further rocks.it also increases your chances of basically time walking yourself relative to the rest of the table. In no reality is land-go and holding up single target removal or a cantrip for 4 turns a winning move. It's just too much of a tempo loss. With only 7 rocks you are dooming yourself to this gameplan from deckbuilding at least 25% of the time. Theorycrafts like this are the EXACT reasons why you cannot rely solely on a hypergeometric calculator and actually have to play the game.
>>96776373>lazy shitlistBack to "I'm too good to play good cards" again so soon?>>96776377>Most of the repeatable enginesAnd most of them aren't "repeatable draw engines">Faithless Looting>Thrill of Possibility>Sign in Blood>Nights Whisper>Village Rites>Deadly Dispute>ExploreBlue obviously doesn't need mentioning.The only color without 2 mana draw is fucking white.>>96776378Gee I wonder if there's some significance to the order in which these cards are listed...I dunno it's a real head-scratcher!
>>96776145Thats a very poor assumption to make.
The more games I play with a deck the more ramp I remove as I realize land passing and sandbagging until enemies exhaust themselves is the optimal way to FFA and you just hold removal to stop the wins when needed. Vipers are actually crazy good.
>>96776418maybe give the suggested results a try with a new deck and see what happens
>>96776362oh the retard is backdamn it was so nice without you
>>96776416Explore...in a deck with a low land count...
>>96776419>Vipers are actually crazy good.I like them too
You can tell someone's a blue user when they jump to explore and not bushwhack, dig up, analyze the pollen, or even abundant harvest.
>>96776437Sybau humiliation fetish anon
>>96776460>post list specifically of cards that say "draw" to make a point>"heh clearly you didn't consider these cards that don't fucking say draw"Stunning insight anon
>>96776419The more I play, the more I'd rather have a ponder or a preordain than a 36th or 37th land.Hell even a faithless looting, even though it's card disadvantage.
Land count? 30 of course, I have lots of draw spells.
Do you guys count brainstorm, ponder, preordain etc as draw spells?
>>96776463way to tell on yourself, lol.
>>96776484>no u
>>96776402>hypergeometric calculatorauthor used monte carlo simulation.
>>96776471>he thinks draw spells have to literally say "draw"
>>96776471NTA, but he's right. Abundant Harvest is a card that should be proving your point (I think... I honestly can't tell because you're sperging), but you left it out since you don't even know what you're looking for.
>>96776471lol. lmfao. are you a lorcana refugee or something?
>>96776502No "he" doesn't think that. "He" was countering some faggot (probably you) saying that the most popular draw spells are "repeatable draw engines around mv 3 & 4 and require additional cards to function". So "he" put "draw" into scryfall and sorted by EDHREC rank to prove the other "he" wrong>>96776505See above, that wasn't my fucking point you inbred ape
>>96776483I put them in their own category, I call it smoothing. I put stuff like cantrips, repeatable scrying effects and stuff like courser of kruphix or crucible of worlds. and also the forbidden technique of counting stuff like karoo lands as minor card advantage. I have also in the past counted them as half a card draw spell but I didn't like that method anymore.
State of UB: Highest ranking UB commander in each color combo on EDHREC>Mono:>white[9th] Cloud, Midgar Mercenary [FF]>blue[12th] Leonardo Da Vinci [Ass. Creed]>black[2nd] Sephiroth, fabled soldier [FF]>red[7th] Slicer, Hired Muscle [Transformers]>green[4th] Tifa Lockhart [FF]
>>96776532Red staying soulful
>>96776521Scry gets better the more you have honestly, a repeatable psuedo-scry like picrel is surprisingly good source of effective card advantage
>>96776540I love that card I also have been known to sleeve up pic related
>>96776553That was one of the recent includes in my Asuza deck, very nice for playing lands off the top (usually!)
>>96776499I am not as familiar with that method, but I can't imagine it's findings would be much different than my methods because we are just looking for probability within a sample size.
>>96776569https://github.com/frankkarsten/MTG-Math/blob/master/optimal_curve_commander.py
>>96776576interesting but again, if it spits out an answer much different from a hypergeometric calculator I would question it's efficacy because at the end of the day all we care about is probability.Factors like cmc of commander are irrelevant as they can fill different roles on the curve. I'm not casting numot the devastator on curve basically ever.
State of UB: Highest ranking UB commander in each color combo on EDHREC>2 Color:>Azorius[6th] Hope Estheim [FF]>Dimir:[6th] Lord of the Nazgul [LotR]>Rakdos[2nd] Prosper, Tome-bound [DnD]>Gruul[5th] Wolverine, Best there is [Marvel]>Selesnya[5th] Gluntch, the Bestower [DnD]>Orzhov [12th] Astarion, the Decadent [DnD]>Izzet[1st] Vivi Ornitier [FF]>Golgari[5th] Shelob, Child of Ungoliant [LotR]>Boros[7th] Lightning. Army of One [FF]>Simic[6th] Volo, Guide to Monsters [DnD]
>>96776483If it only draws 1 card i call it card advantage. Along with stuff like scry surveil etc. Card draw is also card advantage obviously just a better form. But for the most part I try to hit a certain amount of "card advantage" over strictly draw.
>>96776640>D&D>UBit's a plane and it's owned by the same company
>>96776662Dungeons and Dragons is not magic the gathering therefore it is Universes Beyond. Hasbro owns My Little Pony and Transformers does that mean those arent UB too
>>96776677I found myself asking the dnd question to myself the other dayI landed on not UB because magic and dnd obviously have influenced eachother both in public and behind the scenes at wotc over the years. even if they are both IPs acquired from other parties.
>>96776677The actual distinction on the cards is the presence of the UB triangle on the center bottom of the card. D&D sets dont have this.
>>96776696they got rid of this IIRC
>TQTrying to brew up a Jeskai Tempo. I want to have that 2010 to 2015 legacy feel. Having trouble with the last few cuts of if I am missing stuff.https://moxfield.com/decks/Kk_T7mtpXUK2N2Z0iIS6XQ
>>96776699Yeah, Final Fantasy and the Sonic Secret Lair are the last cards/set to use the UB border.
>>96776710>no divining top + miracles
>>96776688you're objectively wrong because it's an already existing IP that's being translated into MTG instead of being made as a part of MTG. That is the definition of UB regardless of whether the specific IP fits well into MTG thematically or not. If DnD isnt UB than LotR can't be UB because LotR inspired DnD. Do you see how this logic works>>96776696>>96776699These haven't been a thing for quite a few sets on this point so there isnt a point in acting like their exclusion somehow makes DnD: Magic the Gathering edition not UB
>>96776699Yeah wow it would seem Spiderman doesnt have them. Still, it held true while it was a thing, and D&D were printed during that time.
>>96776699They did starting with Spiderman so people couldn't make a distinction of "actual" or "real" Magic cards. Most UBfags are seriously pathetic but I've met some good ones, having played against a Vivi player last night (he said it was combat based but the fucker still won with a resolved Mizzix's Mastery)
>>96776723>>967767221. Spiderman is the first2. Read the last sentence it absolutely does make D&D that use your fucking head. Wotc at the time when they were printing distinctions between UB and nonUB on cards, made the distinction that D&D was not UB.
>>96774837Your playgroup is a bunch of fagsCaptcha: V Onions
>>96776662>it's a planeD&D planes are not MtG planes. Toril is not swaddled in the Blind Eternities. You cannot reach Zendikar with a Plane Shift spell.
>>96776740>Wotc says another IP in MTG isnt UB despite that being the whole point of UB because it doesnt have le magic triangles>They get rid of le magic triangles for UB anywayIf they come out tomorrow and say none of the UB sets are actually UB and are as canonic as Ravnica does that make none of them UB to you.You know since Wotc said so
>>96773605It is to not care about stupid irrelevant shit, eg the art on cards in a trading card game.
>>96776640>>Orzhov>[12th] Astarion, the Decadent [DnD]Burakos bros....
>>96776722>you're objectively wrongonly in the most pedantic of senses. MTG is and has always been a side game for TTRPGS players/convention goers. These things are so closely tied as to almost be indistinguishable from one another in a way that transformers or final fantasy can never be. It's not really a universes beyond because they share so much DNA and personnel. not to mention the other crossover material.
>>96776483>>96776644No, that is filtering/smoothing. People often say "card draw" when they mean "card advantage". Card advantage is when one card spent returns you more than one card. Night's Whisper always does this, Phyrexian Arena takes two turns to do this, etc.You could fill your deck with Ponders and Brainstorms and still come out behind, because those spells only increase the number of cards you see, not the number of cards you play.
>>96776640>>Azorius>[6th] Hope Estheim [FF]is life gain even good? or are you just trying to gain 50 at once and deck everyone
>>96772975I made sure to point out all the bigger influencers who gave Spider Man a bad rap in my survey, and added others were referencing them in online forums to form their opinions. I can't wait for one of these faggots to get their shit pushes in by Hasbro.
>>96776483Kind of
>>96776729>so people couldn't make a distinction of "actual" or "real" Magic cardsthey did something similar with the last un set. Honestly that shit still fucking bugs me, edh legal un cards that is.
>>96776781>You could fill your deck with Ponders and Brainstorms and still come out behindI flew too close to the sun on this a few times, it's honestly painful to spin your wheels this hard.
>>96776791I would be more butthurt to see an unfunity commander than a spooderman
>>96772704This nigga lookin' ZESTY, this nigga lookin' MOIST, he's got sugar in his tank, he's light on his feet, he's a Ill bit fruity, he plays for the other team, he dances at the other end of the ballroom, this nigga theatrical, this nigga good with colors, this nigga gonna coordinate yo curtains wit you cushions and that shit gonna look good! This nigga lifts shirts, this nigga on the down low, this nigga be a tollet trader, this nigga gardens uphill, this nigga packs fudge, he's a friend of Dorothy, he feels the love that dare not speak Its name, he loves to dance, he's of the Uranian brotherhood, he indulges in the French vice, he has an antipathic sexual Instinct, he's fluent in Polari, he's a refugee from Sodom, he's on the wrong bus, he bats for the other team, he's temperamental, he's 'one of if you catch my drift.
>>96776483>short answer yes>long answer no, these cards are not run solely because they "draw", it's usually because they something else (they let me manipulate the top of the deck or are cheap spells, for example) and provide utility at the same time. So it depends what engine and deck I am building. In a prowess deck, they're technically "Pump" cards with utility, or in Cascade-eque decks they are "Unbrick" or "Setup" cards I use to set up for a combo play. They don't provide enough card advantage to use as my main draw caeds, so they get used for their other synergies instead, but I will lazily tag them as draw in some cases.
>>96776791There's literally nothing in this game as loathsome as UnfinityPeople can bitch about spooderman or bearscape or whatever but literally nothing has UNF's level of egregious corporate condescension
>>96776872>once evey 10 yearsacceptable >once every 2 monthsnot acceptable
State of UB: Highest ranking UB commander in each color combo on EDHREC>3 Color:>Esper[1st] Y'shtola, Night's Blessed [FF]>Grixis[1st] Sauron, the Dark Lord [LotR]>Jund[6th] Indoraptor, the Perfect Hybrid [Jurassic Park]>Naya[7th] Cloud, Ex-SOLDIER [FF]>Bant[3rd] Galadriel, Light of Valinor [LotR]>Abzan[1st] Frodo, Adventurous Hobbit [LotR]>Jeskai[4th] Éowyn, Shieldmaiden [LotR]>Sultai[1st] The Wise Mothman [Fallout]>Mardu[4th] Mr. House, President and CEO [Fallout]>Temur[5th] Magus Lucea Kane [Warhammer]>5 color[6th] Tom Bobadil [LotR]Aragorn, the Uniter is also the most popular ink-treader commander. The data for the other 4 color combos as well as partners in general is kind of hard to parce.Either way as you can clearly see UB is a staple in terms of the most popular commanders and their % share of the top slots will only continue to grow
>>96776882>ever making them legal outside of draftnot acceptable
>>96776888how popular are 4 colour commanders (outside of partners)?
>>96776888>>Mardu>[4th] Mr. House, President and CEO [Fallout]Ngl this one looks fun
>>96776765>hypothetical that has nothing to do with realityAnswer these please as we are dealing with things that actually happened.1. Was WOTC ever printing an indicator on cards to denote that they were UB?2. If yes, do the D&D cards have these?
Is slobad any good as a commander these days or are exile effects too prevalent?
>>96776882No.
>>96776906Rank #3Rank #43Rank #144Rank #220
>96776891Delet this
>>96776781>no thats *semantics*!!Please, and I mean this earnestly, never use the internet again.
>>96776808>>96776872I don't remember if it was real or a fever dream but after unfinity was released I thought they let the cards be legal for like a month or something in edh. I thought that was cool, I could see doing limited time events like that being worth revisiting but blanket making cards, even like sawed in half, legal is dumb
>>96773605Paper skin and a glass ego are not virtues
>>96776936>>96776951
>>96776891Holy heckaroni, is that a 5 year old r/animemes joke? Must...upvote...!
>>96776966seethe
>>96776943>sawed in halfThis one is based but I will only run the furry one
>>96776745Yeah, but they're my fags. I had Maha, Ascendant Evincnar, and Midnight Banshee out and they apparently weren't running any way to solve that problem. So, i'm building boat tribal.
>>96776972Why the fuck is the blade of that cleaver a leaf?
>Ninja turtle's dagger has the wrong number of hand guards!Honestly a pathetic thing to be upset about. Enjoy your UBsloppa I guess.
>finish a deck>sleeving it up>98 sleeves
>>96776957You are not brave or masculine for trying to make yourself a victim
>>96776182bullshit, I'm every normalfag I know is like this without any anonymity
>>96776981>Why the fuck is the blade of that cleaver a leaf?Fun fact in spanish 'hoja' means both leaf and blade
>>96776981
>>96777028that comic probably predates your country having widespread internet access
>>96777056I had internet since the mid 90s
>>96774304>learned not to play with me.ftfy
>>96777081Kek, the internet didn't exist until like 2001Caught the zoomer
>>96776971yes, MaNo. we will point out your old meme card design every time
>>96777092Wat
>>96777092what are you talking about, my country established public internet access around that time, and my father was a software engineer and early adopter. universities were connected in 1990.
>>96776766>It is to not care about stupid irrelevant shit, eg the art on cards in a trading card game.and yet you have proxyfags tripping over themselves printing shit when they can scribble over a basic landthanks for admitting that proxyfags are stupid kekw
>>96777120Son, get off the internet. We ARE your father.
>>96776766Actually no it wouldn't be. If that "stupid irrelevant shit" is something you are invested in then it is absolutely healthy to care about it. What kind of worm are you where you dont care about the things you claim to like? Fuck sakes zoomers are beyond hope
>>96777169This. I care deeply about Magic and the future of the White race, and TMNT is getting in the way of that.
>>96777169Of course he cares about things he likes, rhe problem is he doesn’t like YOU disliking something he either likes or doesn’t care about so he’s attempting to shame you into shutting up about it
>>96776991Why does it have the wrong number anon? Please elaborate as to the reasoning.
>>96777168I wish, I'm an old man now
>>96777191TMNT is a cartoon for literal childrenThe magic set is a slop product for piggiesAnyone who cares about the fucking sai is pathetic
>96777223Anyone unironically piggie posting is a mental child
>>96777236t.
>>96777223this is a general for a children's card game
>>96777250No it isnt
These threads aren't getting any better anytime soon are they?
>>96777250And here you are, offended that WotC slightly changed a fictional character's weapon
>>96777320Hey at least we still talk about the game sometimes, which makes us better than /mtg/
>>96777343I haven't been in there for months now, did it somehow get worse?
>>96777318yes it is>>96777338thanks for conceding that mtg is, indeed, a children's card game so ofc children will defend their turtle cartoons
>>96777338nta but it's the reason *why* and not just the fact that it happened.
>>96772704>spiderman DOES NOT>kill>sell drugs>have sex with men>*unless he's black
>>96777370>did it somehow get worse?4 of 7 sets next year are UB
>>96777370they're mentally broken by Wizards continually bending them over and fucking them in the asswe are too, we just imagine Sisyphus to be happy
>>96777574>Sissyphusuwu
>>967774454 of 7 discussions on here are UB
Do cards with "Whenever an Equipment enters under your control" trigger when this guy is sitting around? I'm assuming so but it could be one of those layering/timestamping things I'm missing.
>>96777395It writes itself almost.
>>96777838Yes. The treasures will trigger every "whenever equipment enters" stuff
>>96777838you control the treasures as they enter so anything looking for equipment will see them as equipment
>>96774986Not who you were talking to but after playing more games with randoms around where I live, banking on them being an idiot is more probable than not.
>>96777810And 3 of those discussions are about how much it sucks. Fuck off Gavin.
TIK TOK TIK TOK >>96778009COPE LMAOOOOO
>>96778037What message is this picture suppose to convey
ok I thought about it for a few days and I think I will make a Mishra, Eminent One deck.Im gonna include the standard etb and ltb cards but also some of my old favorite artifact cards from when I was a teenager like Memnarch. I love Memnarch so much I thought it was the coolest and most busted card ever back then. good times
>>96778050That the amount of non ub legendary creatures will soon be surpassed by the amount of ub legendary creatures, I would think.
I like UB
>>96778050Well you see anon the message may be that despite UB being a concept for 5 years or more like 4 if you only counted when the term was coined, there are almost 800 UB legendary creatures (commanders) vs in 32 years there are about 2350 non UB legendary creatures. meaning despite being around for less than 1/6 of the time non UB magic has been around the total amount of commander options is slightly over 1/3 of the amount of non UB options there are. 800 X 3 = 2400. UB sets have more legends on average and next year has more UB sets than non UB sets. The amount of time it will take for there to be more UB commander options than non UB commander options is much less than you think. Hence the TIK TOK
>>96778050read the file nameas if it wasn't completely obvious that while ub is new it already has 800 new legendary creatures
>>96778089>read the file name>Untitled
>>96778124not my file name you monkey, the file name of the post you are confused about lmao you knowthe subject of the topic holy shit
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>was tempted to buy spooderman pack today>didnt because it was 7 dollarshow do I stop myself from turning gay?
>>96778086Yes i did catch that but... what do i take away from that?>>96778088See above what do i take away from this? All youve done is use more words to explain the picture. Not to explain its message/point.>>96778089See above!Are you samefagging? Or are all 3 of you just similarly retarded. Okay there's more UB legendaries. WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?
>>96778162I know anon don't get your panties in a twist
>>96777169>>96777184>I am emotionally invested in a corporate productUnironically get a fucking life you cringelord autists lmao Say these words aloud. I mean it, stop whatever stupid shit you're doing atm and say this aloud:>I am genuinely upset at the images of ninja turtles and spider man in a casual card game aimed at nerds of all agesDon't you feel fucking ashamed and embarrassed? Of all the stupid, pointless, inconsequential shit to cry about, you've chosen that? Grow up and get some fucking perspective and personal achievements for christ sakes. Waddle your ass into the gym and burn off that misdirected energy making yourself fit and powerful. Go plant some trees and clean up some garbage to make your community look nicer. Go talk to a lonely relative you haven't connected with for awhile. Rescue an unpicked dog from the animal shelter before they put it down. Clean up your room. Just do something constructive and useful with that pissbaby rage energy besides wasting it on the most pathetic nonsense imaginable.This is a game, not a fucking religion you brainlets.
>>96778087
>>96778196There are what, three cards in Spiderman that have a price point above the price of a play booster (assuming no extra-rare treatments).Even if you like Spiderman, buying boosters of it is burning cash
>>9677822512ish, apparently
>>96778201>WHAT DOES THIS MEAN?its a massive amount of product bloat and a significant and growing amount of the options of our format are UB, not mtg. and it all happened in a short time, 5 years (really more like 3). It's not just that UB exists, which is bad enough, it's that it has become a significant part of the card pool very quickly. >>96778203>i knowyour post betrays you
>>96778216Correct I am invested in my hobbies. If you arent youre a worm. No amount of fancy talk will change that.>bunch of retarded whining>ends it with a sentence he thinks is damningThe only religious fervor im seeing here is YOURS. I like the things I like and I would like for them to remain high quality. Anyone who has an issue with these positions is a worm and the perfect globohomo citizen.
>>96778225I made money cracking FF packs. $500+ bucks. Would've been $800 if I had've held on and sold a little later. What a great set.The lesson they're going to take away from Spider Man and any of the other UB sets that fail is going to be players don't want low powered sets. Buckle up for FIRE like you've never seen it before and be prepared to update large parts of your decks every 2-4 months.
>>96778225buying boosters is always a waste, but I do find it fun, maybe I'd crack something that I had seen before but hadn't really considered building until it was in my hands
>>96778248But FF was low power anon there's like maybe 10 strong cards in the set
>>96778248>Buckle up for FIRE like you've never seen it before and be prepared to update large parts of your decks every 2-4 months.
>>96778241>Correct I am invested in my hobbies. If you arent youre a worm. No amount of fancy talk will change that
>>96778259and those cards make you update your decks
>>96778248Even EoE have more cards played in modern, with FF you can gain money for it's collective value
>>96778248so which sets are designed already full and which still under development?Because I can totally see them try and do a bunch of last-minute adjustments to one of the later UB sets that go completely untested and we'll get Nadu 2: electric boogaloo
>>967778105/7 of the next sets are ubUb is being under represented hereWe need reparations
>>96778343I think i put one card from FF in all of my decks. The only exception would be Hope but that was a new deck and even then off the top of my head i can think of 3 FF cards in it (not including Hope). So overall, nah.
>>96778270wow so many black people, very diverse
>>96778248>The lesson they're going to take away from Spider Man and any of the other UB sets that fail is going to be players don't want low powered setincorrect, other than vivi FF was a low powered setthe lesson is that>asian UB > westoid UB
>>96778388>4 out of 7 is 5 out of 7 now
>>96778398I can't believe Wizards made 6 out 7 of the next sets UB7 UB sets in a row, it's unbelievableI don't even know how they managed to make 8 of the next 7 sets UB, but by God they done did it
>>96778248You are, at least in part, misunderstanding why Spiderman failed. Final Fantasy-- other than having an order of magnitude more modern generational appeal from a combined total of 16 separate mainline videogames over almost 40 years-- was a very direct celebration of the games, stories and characters that people loved. While some characters received two or even three cards between commander, promo and standard products, these were some of the most popular and beloved franchise entries. I've talked with players that bought FF because they loved FF7, and others FFX or FFIX; but I also have met a number that bought packs hoping to crack their favorite characters from FFIV. FFXIV was of course another driving factor but water is also wet.Spiderman has ironically middling appeal. While references are included to some of the most modern and liked Spiderman products, the history of Spiderman (Spidermen? Spider-people?) is paradoxically broad and narrow. In spite of decades more history, Spiderman's linear and contentious development does not lend itself to an 'omnibus' type set; which instead of celebrating individual stand-out works is instead a somewhat blended and incoherent mix of references, much like the numerous film adaptations. Even the popular Spiderverse property doesn't lend its, not necessarily original but also not uninteresting, reality-hopping traits well to the set, where alternate spidermen exist in a sort of pile, like figurines on a shelf rather than as any form of referential beat or story arc. Absent are some literal heavy hitters in favor of another obscure (but not too obscure) spiderman.The point is: The appeal existed for spiderman only on a select few cards for the very picky spiderfan; and equally narrow was the appeal for the casual fan that may only have watched films (and even then, maybe only specific films). I expect this will repeat spectacularly with TMNT.
played against pic rel today for the first time.is this cancer tier?
>>96778453Yeah it's super obnoxious with any sort of flicker strategy
>>96778453Well he's an obscene amount of card draw stapled to repeatable discard.If you have to ask you should probably just read the card again. He's an easy 4.
>guy loses>rages>pulls out prosper>hehe its a 3>its a 4 >grins and wins, yeah hehe its kinda powerful
>>96778453Any massive/repeatable discard is cancer to play against. That and sacrifice are the two deck types I will never build because I know people will never want to play against them
>>96778270Me on left
>discard is usually a shit strat especially in commander because the effects are usually costly as fuck for minimal amount of cards discarded>yet people will still bitch if a few options at not shit tier power level are made for the playstyle
>>96778521people bitch because discard strats won't let them assemble their rube goldberg uber casual win con, they'd rather be stomped by lands over and over
>>96778389getting an autoinclude is the definition of what the problem is
>>96778521I think you misunderstand what makes discard suck in commander. Individual duress effects aren't efficient; you're 1 for 1ing something you don't want to happen out of less than a 10th of the cards in the deck. They will literally be pulling off the top a bunch of shit you didn't see, so unless you're snatching THE capital C-A-R-D they need you're spinning your wheels. Then you have 2 other players to worry about.Repeated discard is forcing them to topdeck and spin like a motherfucker to do anything and works just fine. They need to either pull card draw or slam it on the table to have any gas to work with at that point. Getting to rummage and cut their hand down to nothing can be fucking oppressive, and you don't even have to target; you're doing it to them all.
>>96778501I did this. fuck your combo piles
>>96778427I think another big factor for Final Fantasy's success is that the set was just an excellent blend of flavor and mechanics. Job Select on Equipment, Summon spells being Saga Creatures, Sidequest Transforming Enchantments, Tiered Magic and Towns with Adventures were all on point for Final Fantasy and also were fun to play with. Spider-Man had Web-slinging which had some benefits to attacking I guess, Mayhem because villains are evil, Connive because villains are evil and then MDFCs that can also transform. Oh, and some cards that cared about Modified (Which I think some Final Fantasy cards did, too).If the Final Fantasy set had been in universe it still would have done great without the IP pull. Spider-Man would have been regarded as one of the worst sets ever made regardless.
>>96778558>hymn to tourach is so strong it got banned in pauper>therefore fallen empires is a high powered set
>>96778398>nowAlways has beenFractured anus is just rebranded ub cards
>>96778562>Repeated discard is forcing them to topdeck and spin like a motherfucker to do anything and works just fine.>because their decks are rube goldberg machines filled with cards that can't stand on their own merits>this is totally against my casual sensibilities you know?!
>>96778574>Fractured anus is just rebranded ub cardssauce?
>>96778566>is a little bitch that cant play on the same level and needs a pathetic crutch to satisfy his spite
>>96778574Wait the Avatar set was just a mini set inside a larger Nickelodeon Universe set? Is that when TMNT is also coming?
>anon seethes and makes up bullshit on the internet>uuuuh wtf is that true?every fucking time
>>96778593you started it. fuck. your. combos
>>96778389Vivi is literally a tier 0 deck
>>96778586So have you been a retard all your life or did you learn as you go?If you got one card that can win the game on its own, why don't you put that fucker in the command zone and save us all the posturing and bullshit.Players are going to have more trouble playing with 1 card hands than 7 card hands. You don't even need to flicker the clown to have a good chance of a full grip and throwing a bunch of flashback/dredgelike cards away gives you even more options.I didn't even say you couldn't play Kefka, I it's bullshit to call repeated all-opponent discard weak. If you disagree, you're entitled to be wrong, maybe after you play some more you'll start to figure these things out better.
>>96778427FF really doesn't have much appeal. It's very niche. Especially considered to marvel. No clue why you people ever argue otherwise.You are so out of fucking touch
>>96778087Most people do
>>96778558I wouldnt call it an autoinclude. Its a good but niche card. Definitely upper tier for the niche it fits but marginally
>>96778628FF's a very broadly 'liked' series and also, unlike Marvel, it has fans that're very desperate for merch and whatnot. Marvel's entire business in comics is collectibles, there's a lot of market share there with Magic already so there's less likelihood of Marvel fans buying Magic cards because they're already buying comics. FF fans meanwhile don't have a whole lot TO buy. And also FFXIV is obscenely popular and people wanna see their blorbos.
So which is the least gay between Captain Niggasquid, Bruvac, and Nekusar?
>>96778627faggot i myself use all-opponent discard, and i can tell you that lands is much stronger and any goodstuff esper pile will beat discard, not my problem that scrubs continue to use shit decks that are falling apart at the seams>tldr get better and use better decks
>>96778628Is that just the game for today? Pretend to be brain damaged on every topic?WOTC claims it was succesful, the LGSes I go to couldn't keep product on shelves. Secondhand prices for even garbage cards are still floating above normal for popular characters. The chocobo christmas sets on Amazon sold out in 40 fucking minutes (and I'm still fucking mad).Even if they're glazing it to space and back all visible metrics point to it being a wildly popular set.
>>96778598the Nickelodeon set in March is just TMNT, they were keeping it hidden so they could have more crossover slop to announce at NYCC
>>96778660No one cares cEDH boy
>>96778653>FF fans meanwhile don't have a whole lot TO buyyou are a moron that doesn't know how to buy stuff from japan>>96778666>discard is cEDH nowmindbroken
>>96778660Oh sure let me just topdeck all these fucking lands bro and all the draw I need to get unhelbent after you've drawn 4 like three turns in a row.Maybe if you played some games you'd have some bitches on your deck.Comanddiggaaaaaaaaa~
>>96778574Hobbit needs to be like under 100 cards. There isn't enough content.
>>96778685>there isn't enough content>UBsloppers can't comprehend that every creature in a set doesn't have to be legendary
>>96778676>Oh sure let me just topdeck all these fucking lands brobwahahaha skill issue
>>96778694What the fuck are you even talking about?
>>96778660Your opinion is dogshit and wrong. Grixis is much stronger.
>>96778660>all-opponent discardbased>UBsloppagay and retarded. I've always wanted to live the dream of a T1 Dark Ritual - Entomb - Reanimate Sire of Insanity though.
>>96778216>I am genuinely upset at the images of ninja turtles and spider man in a casual card game aimed at nerds of all agesI'd say so when their worlds not only don't mesh well with MtG, but explicitly and harshly clash with it. At least when they did FF, LotR, and D&D you could pretty easily look past the alternate IP and see the related undertone of that style of fantasy. Ninja Turtles and Marvel are just a completely different ballgame. This is coming from someone who explicitly likes the idea of UB, and likes a few of them, but finds that the rushing out of faster and faster sets and more and more disconnected subject matter is unhealthy for the game.
>>96778701>how are they going to make a set about the Hobbit? There's only like 15 potential legendary creatures! Every set needs to have at least 50 legendary creatures or it's impossible! I gotta have my commander slop from my favorite IP!
>>96778699>simic playerbarf
>>96778705>red is the worst color in edh>somehow grixis > esperroru rumao
>>96778724>oh fuck now i have to admit that simic is stronger than discard>...uh, barfconcession accepted
>>96778732I'm not that guy, pal. I just think a simic player is gag inducing, which you are.
>>96778733>i barge in on an argument i'm not involved in>get mad when i'm confused with the other guykekw everytime
I'm not even gonna give you the (you)s anymore, you'll spend it on netdecking some other garbage.>"but you see, discard isn't better than mashing all my deck onto the board at once with extra landdrops AND carddraw in my command zone"Its not. It's just not bad, unless the reason you play target all discard is, in fact, because you believe it is bad and you make garbage decks on purpose.
discard should go in mass card denial bracket with the other 4s
>>96778720No one said this. Please shut the fuck up, retard.
>>96778756>I'm not even gonna give you the (you)s anymorehahahaha>Its not. It's just not bad, unless the reason you play target all discard is, in fact, because you believe it is bad and you make garbage decks on purpose.so why are you crying about discard when you know there are worse archetypes out there?all performative outrage, as to be expected from filthy casuals like you
>>96778759Is that the play? Now we're going to pretend to cry about it being overpowered for the rest of the thread to stir up shit?Why don't you fuck off and find a less embarrassing hobby. Maybe trying playing card-games. EDH can be fun.
>>96772981Do you gift people enchantments that makes them lose the game as Zur?
>>96778770Okay. I understand now and I forgive you. We don't need to discuss this any further.
>>96778618>comboI didnt combo retard
>>96778501people claiming their decks are b3 when it's actually b4 are cringei actually don't mind if you want to pubstomp just so you don't go home winless the entire night, just don't lie to me
>>96778720how many non-legendary creatures can the Hobbit have that aren't just a retread of LotR?the Hobbit is just a far smaller story overallif anything they should have gone the complete opposite direction and used the Silmarillion, plenty of option for non-legendary creatures in that too
>>96773273Mutate Xavier sounds sick, may I see?
>you should really swing 9 at the Sephiroth player with 43 life>yea but I want to evenly distribute my attacks haha>go to fucking 14>we're suddenly all held hostage by the aristocrats player's aoe death triggersAnd that's how a w*man cost me the game.
>>96778810No one even mentioned fucking creaturesIt doesn't have enough events, story, anything for a full setIt is fucking 300 pages.
>>967787251. Not true.2. Yes. Grixis is better than esper. Grixis is arguably the best color combo in the game.
>>96778822the post I replied to literally mentioned creatures
>>96778813I made some tweaks here and there and haven't updated it, but the broad strokes are all here.https://archidekt.com/decks/9618639/theyre_more_legendary_guidelines_xavier_sal_infested_captain
>>96776996dragonshields?
>>96778749I'm not mad I just think you're gag-inducing for being a smelly simic player
>>967788291. it is true and you should play more games and do less theorycrafting2. only in cedh and it's hilarious that you bring up cedh when the discussion is about discard and you insisting that in the lower brackets grixis discard is better than esper goodstuff is hilarious
>>967788641. No thanks, come back when youve been playing a few years.2. Im not talking about cedh, just colors in general, how they play together, and their capabilities.
>>96778818>letting a woman play at the table when you want to winthat's your fatal mistake
>>96778880based teenager
>>96778875>doesn't deny what he was called out forhaha>subtly sliding the discussion to another topic because he knows whining about discard is a lost causekekypow
How does this look? I'm playing it this weekendhttps://archidekt.com/decks/16540399/all_about_the_summons_baby
>2 games friday commander night>fuck yeah, fuck work>smoke a little>game is an upper 4, people salty, think I cheated despite doing a play by play>get tricked into playing my thelon fungus deck, an actual bracket 1-2>they run 4 and focus me>path of exiles fungisaur vs braids>get archon of cruelties twice>opposite of fun>leave more stressed than I arrived
>>96772981Eggman2nd Doctor/VislorPeter Parker/Spooder-monGreensleevesZul Ashur14th Doctor/Clara10th Doctor/Adric
>>96778881make cooties bad again
>>96778903How did you cheat anon? Also lack of social skills on your part, sticking around for a game 2 with clearly chapped people isn't the best idea.
>>96778888This is me denying what you called me out for, as I never said anything of that nature. Multiple people are talking to you anon. I am also not "sliding" anything. You made a post, I had contention with it and stated that. Everything else is fantasy to shield your ego.
>>96778954so why is discard bad again?>inb4 picrel
>>96778891>All about the summons>only 9 in the deck...?
>>96778925There was a hivemind on the battlefield, I cast bonus round(each player copies spells +1 until end of turn) and then borne upon a wind(flash), then display of power (cant be copied, copies any number of spells). I copy the stack, layer my bonus round triggere on top of hivemind, my original and their copies never resolve.
>>96776996One of the worst feelings ever.
>>96778969
Has anyone actually made a bracket 1 deck before?
>>96779005There's a Codie book that's just all books.dec, no real synergy/strategy, literally just "cards with books in the art" that someone posted a while ago. That seemed pretty bracket 1
>>96779005all kev walker edhhttps://manabox.app/decks/S9NIAuDLQ9ClanjiUzdZNQ
>>96779005I want to make an Iron Maiden deck using cards that all represent or reference different Iron Maiden songs in some way. Obviously this would be a mish mash of literal jank that does nothing and likely couldn't win a game.
>>96778818I avoid women in Magic at all costs. I have never played one that knows what she's doing.
>>967789651. Red isnt the weakest color2. Grixis is the strongest color comboThese are my statements. Stop being retarded. If you cant keep up with multiple different discussions you shouldn't post.
>>96779005Keene that can only find portal cards. She is sort of playable on low bracket 2 with rule 0 to replace gate cards with portal basics in her texthttps://moxfield.com/decks/BK3hBiMqlkKw6hO4XHLdOA
>>96779073>discussion is about apples>oh but oranges are greatbwahahaha thanks for agreeing with me about discard being just ok and not worth the outrage btwand also:1. red is in fact the weakest color2. 5 color is the strongest color comboboth indisputable facts
>>967790055 color color hoses. Unfortunately it counts as mass land denial sorry guess I have to cast illusory terrain against people playing Food chain loops.
>>96779102not arbitrary btw
>some retard is saying red isn't the weakest colorlooks like someone needs to watch some high quality youtubers
>play a Sliver deck because I'm in the mood to be an ass>deck has all the 5c Slivers, First Sliver as commander>deck also has scroll rack, among other things>friend claims it's cheating if I use rwck each turn to order my hand onto the top of my library, cascade, and then due to how I arranged my top deck, get a perfect (or near perfect) chain of cascades each turnHe says doing this is unfair and takes way too much time with all the draw/shuffling involved.
>>96779120It's a legal card doing a legal thing. Sure it's a bitch of a card in a bitch of a deck, but hey that's Slivers for you
>>96779111Red is certainly the least interesting color, second to green of course.
>>96779073esper and sultai are better than grixis
>>96779102>5 color color hoses>hating everyone equallySounds kinda neat desu
>>96779120How long could it possibly take to just arrange slivers by cmc
>>96778983I think I'm missing a spell here, all I am seeing is copying.
>>96779138
>>96779005Jegantha, the Wellspring and wincon tribal. Just every (or nearly) card that wins the game in an alternative way, no infinites/card draw engines, no Maze's End, no real strategy. Almost all the creatures are demons because of pic rel
>>96779111How old are those videos, because 2013 edh and 2025 edh are very differentLook at the command cycle for example
>>96779157that was the root of the problem, they thought they could also get bonus round and flash, so I ended up casting prisoner's dilemma at instant speed and that killed them.
>>96779152It's more that it keeps happening AND if you're really popping off, yoy have to do multiple series of cascades each turn.
>>96779171I cant read lmaoBut seriously there was a time mono red was super fucking bad
>>96779111Mono black and mono blue are the only good 'mono colors', with green coming in 3rd. white and red are the worst mono colors. Now, is RED the worst COLOR? no, red has insanely awesome cards.
>>96779147Definitely not. Sultai in particular is incredibly easy to shut down.>>96779092I haven't and dont agree with you on anything anon.
>>96779215Grixis has red, the worst color, and white (and arguably green) covers the dimir blindspots better. Red is too much of a premature ejaculator.
>>96779171>how old are these vidoes>literally says 2 months ago in the imagelmao retard you can just find them on youtube>>96779215>I haven't and dont agree with you on anything anon.>so yes i think discard is worth crying over but i'm not going to elaborate further because i can't argue for my life so i'll just slide the conversation to another topic that i'm also dead wrong aboutbwahahaha
I like Mono Red
so this is how we die
>>96779409If you make a new thread this early I will seethe and shitpost for the first 30 posts
>>96779409/edhg/ is dead and Wizards killed it
>>96779419I don't make threads
Time to plan my new deck.Should I go with Inalla, Shorikai or Alela?
>>96778216Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power.
>>96779438Which Alela?
>>96779463Alela, Artful Provocateur
>>96779438I built Inalla and took it apart after just one game, so not that one.
>>96779569>>96779569>>96779569
>>96778241Daily reminder that this clown wrote multiple posts in edhg about how hes quitting mtg because he no longer recognizes the game
