katara edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>96769199>TQfavorite creature type to build a deck around?
>It is impossible to miss triggers on mtgo.Whoops, missed a trigger.Lolgg
>>96777248How did you miss a trigger? they pop up EVERY time an ability triggers.
Triggers? Ah, yes, anyway too late to backtrack now i attack for game ggNo, i'm not going to wait for a judge, niggergg
>>96777260You don't know what you're talking about but go ahead and keep digging that hole deeper
>>96777209Goblins. Always goblins. Sometimes elves. Extended elfball was sick.
Hole? Sorry bro, i missed the triggerYou should think about the ecosystem. I am honest.
>>96776881Reposting SMR (simultaneous multi-round) auction draft idea from end of last thread.
>>96777209>TQfish was the only real tribal deck i ever likedsometimes i wonder if its still playable
Rat Demon Guide2BCreature - RatExile Rat Demon Guide from your hand: Add BWhen this creature enters, target opponent discards a card1/1
>tqI love creatures allowing me to steal and play opponent's cards.
>Card is called "How to Start a Riot" >Doesn't use the Riot mechanic al all
>>96777209>TQNinjas.I like splashing them in to activate sneak- i mean ninjutsu to bring back creatures to my hand so i can recast them for the etbI really like this card
>>96777351others u might like
>>96777367Not Pioneer legal unfortunately.
>>96777351
>>96777209custom card thread?
>>96772156Uncle update
>slop analogy
>>96777393>food analogy>FAST food analogy
>>96777248modo physically cannot miss triggers, the problem with mtgo is that the shitty timer means everyone plays mono red to increase EV because control takes too long to play five rounds
>>96777209>>TQ>favorite creature type to build a deck around?elementals, because I can still pretend I'm a master sorcerer conjuring beings to fight my foes
>>96777351heres another theft creature>>96777394
>>96777392Tell unc that magic is booming in nebraska and that there is so much to live forMtG might be honestly flourishing
>>96777406i've cheesed games against lands before by F6ing and timing them out while they swing with a 1/1 over and over, modo is a fucking joke let's go back to talking about how this card game is designed by satanic negro idolaters
>>96777409>>96777415illegal
>>96772156>>96777392I understand your uncles pain
>>96777392stop tormenting your poor uncle
>>96777385>Not Pioneer legal unfortunately.>>96777386>>96777428Oh you need them to be legal in that format.. that kinda limits things.but there's some weird stuff thats legal in pioneerhttps://scryfall.com/card/sld/1180/minds-dilation
>>96777391 not at all!
>>96777442i realized it doesnt really fit the TQ since they aren't creatures tho
>>96777442I actually have a dilation (!) brew in progress. It involves the Nest and Spira.Nest allows me to both engineer graveyard for desired Spira hits, and also makes mana to play big things from hand.
>>96777462how do those combo with minds dilatioN?
>>96777462ok, I'm curious, how are you planning to survive long enough to resolve titan's nest?
https://scryfall.com/card/mkm/247/flotsam-jetsam
>>96777462Did you know that if Sin gets killed on its ETB it can copy itself?
>>96777209I hate the "triggers an additional time" shit, its so uncreative and annoying. Lazy ass commander style game design>TQTribal decks are for bracket 3 commanderfags.Back when this game was worth playing and I thought tribal was a good idea, zombies were the goat. the gravecrawler phyrexian altar combo is just solid. (you have no need for more than one other zombie to make it happen)
>>96777485There's no combo in itself. Just a form of ramp/reanimation package in one.>>96777491It's a shitbrew. My plans end there.>>96777498Yes!
>>96777496I could not believe it when my buddy cast jetsam, I thought he was reading it wrong for sure. Such a sleeper card, stronger than most of the cards in the MKM. when youre at an edh table of 4 or 5 it can be a game ender
>stores only get more product and more control of their product by being in good standing>stores can only keep their good standing by saying they run standard tournaments>thus, stores are incentivized to lie so they can maintain their good standing, and often times run things like draft as labeled as standard>When people point to 60 card formats dying, wizards points to data fabricated from stores who have to lie due to the good boy system they developed>This is not yet counting the data fabrication that their own internal analysts do like throwing out too negative surveys, because the analysts have incentives to keep their jobs and not get fired for pointing out problems>Wizards PR team intentionally misrepresents questions and subtly shifting goalposts (such as including arena popularity in discussions about paper) and has for over a decade>It's all nothing but smoke, mirrors, and deflectionThis all feels very soviet coded.
>>96777637Lying? In OUR ECOSYSTEM?!?!Why don't you tell me your name and address? We don't plan to do anything. We are honest and holistic and we FEEL you.
>>96774941He said it was the worst selling set of the year but it sold more than Brothers' War and the customer based increased.
>>96777637>capitalist data exploitation and survey p-hacking to reinforce brand image to boost market optimism and attract interest in product and brand>WHAT ARE WE A BUNCHA GOMMIES?
You better start believing in ECOSYSTEM histories, miss Turner, you may be in one!! (In Nebraska)
Nebraska is a... FLOURISHING ECOSYSTEM!Do you FEEL it?
nebraska can't kill this game fast enough
>>96777385Not pioneer legal but it gives free casts for 4 mana:https://scryfall.com/card/woc/23/court-of-locthwain
>>96777722the purpose of a system is what it doescard sales are down, interracial sex is upif wizards wanted to make a fun game, they would
https://scryfall.com/card/dsc/130/arvinox-the-mind-flailIs this any good in casual games? or does being 7 cmc kill it?
>>96777722>MaRo is honest and incredibly empathetic
>>96777721>You must give us data to reinforce the party lie, failure to comply will result in becoming a lower class citizen>Severe drop in quality and forced unification "for the greater good" Yes unironically soviet behavior.
>>96777722What compels a man to post this kind of shit?
You joke, but I took the redeye to Omaha after the news broke yesterday, and it took two hours to tow the plane to the gate because all the tarmac workers and gate agents were busy with an impromptu standard round robin. They gave me a free playset of Vivi to compensate, though, so I’m not too mad.
The ecosystem!It's beautiful!
>>96777440>Some uncle's prefer being euthanized.In Canada the MAiD ecosystem is flourishing.
>>96777762Enshittification and corporate doublethink speak isn’t gonna go away if you keep invoking the spooky specter of communism
>>96777776i have an ideabut i'll flourish for a bit
>>96777785appeasing the powerful while the ship sinks looks the same regardless of political system
>>96777637>>96777762Why do you compare Hasbro making monetization focused decisions to communism.They are a public company. TICKER: HAS
>mtgo>in omenpath draft queue for 25 min >on a friday nightspider sisters... not like this....
Pick two. Hours to play the draft.
>>96777809Because I researched the soviet union recently and the comparison is there regardless of which economic system it was using.
>>96777831>I researched the soviet union recentlyDid you go on a Wikipedia binge or did you start reading the fountainhead on your lunch break
>>96777848fiat currency is communism which is government run by the papacy
>>96777908So close but it’s actually run by opus dei
Cowabunga!
Cowabummer...
>pro level Elo in Legacy and Vintage>take surveyYOU CAN'T FIRE ME! I QUIT
>>96778817>Are you a scalper?>No>You are not part of our target audienceHAPPINESS IS RISINGNEBRASKA IS BOOMING
>>96778870https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwcJNsoY50E
spider sisters...the secret lair hasnt sold out yet...
>>96777534I had a thing going a couple years ago with an Orzhov Phyrexians deck, using Phyrexian Arena to draw and Realmbreaker to ramp into picrel, usually using it to fish out ONE Kaya on my end, so I could steal a bomb from their grave AND the battlefield.>Surprise! It's not a mill deck, it's a steals your shit deck!
>Michelangelo gets compleated>Raphael gets raped by an eldrazi>spiderman puts on the black suit and grooms a minorIf I told you this was the plot of mtg you'd be shocked...
>>96777315Not in any format at the moment. Fish was killed off a long time ago.
>>96779010
I miss Magic.
>>96779010ngl BtM is a good card>costs a lot>requires to mill>also mills opp deck>gets only one card from each gy>it doesn't win you the game on the spot unless you're building around it
>>96779052Is over anon…Is just over….
>>96777312Maybe ask draftmancer to support it so people can try it out. I feel bad writing this anon because anything constructive about making the game better is rare at this point, but I don't think it would make for good gameplay. The structure that extracts the most value from participants is not necessarily the one that creates the most fun.This seems like an angle to give the savviest bidder an advantage in the matches while reducing variance and adding a bunch of complication and time as well as the bidding currency. You know some of the players are going to bust their load in the first few packs and not be able to get to the end of the draft. It's like hyper-turbo rochester, and regular rochester is already a tedious and inaccessible format.pic related: drafters in this format
>>96779052thats not a happy ecosystem
>>96779052Too many white guys, ugh.
>>96777209>tqChangelingsOh yeah
>>96779010Grixis control sometimes would play big dumb sorceries as finishersLooks like this qualifies
>>96777209This is AI.
>>96779166dont matterit wont sell anyway
SO TELL ME PLAY WHAT INFLUENCER MADE YOU HATE SPIDERMAN
>>96777209Who is the best ELF?
>>96779222oppsswrong pix
>>96779211Theres some guy that goes by Maro, I read his blog.
>>96779233
>>96777209>TQI haven't given up, I'm just taking a break. Still unsure whether I should try building around pic related, wait until the Vivi ban to see if they actually try to fix standard, or just wait for Lorwyn Eclipse and hope they print a 5c-slop changeling that the insects can ramp out turn 3 or 4.
>>96778817You get this screen if you say you aren't familiar with the Spider-Man set, and it's a survey for the Spider-Man set. Why would they bother with you if you don't know anything about the set.
>>96779341>to see if they actually try to fix standardNot while they keep that release cadence up. I've taken to just building 60-card draft archetypes and passing them around at my LGS.
>>96779222the original mtg waifu
>>96777721i appreciate the sentiment but that's not what p-hacking is
oink oinkfive collector packs of TMNT please
>>96779211I've hated spider man ever since those Tobey Maguire movies came out
>>96779375she can wreck me
>>96779375Hello there Wednesday Addamshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3jnymeJof4
>>96777315It's still fringe playable in legacy it isn't great or anything but you can steal more games than you should simply because no one expects it
>>96779243uh, are there more full art cards like this?They should make more like these instead of the "borderless" crap.
>>96779383I know what p-hacking is. I’m not referring to the LGS’s being forced to fudge the numbers but the broader issues with what MaRo and such report when it comes to ostensible consumer sentiment.
>>96779383>>96779458To elaborate, just look at how many iterations of “what is your opinion on UB” are asked in that spider-man poll with different wordings and how many caveats are baked in to permit those coalescing the data sets to massage the final sets and visualizations to back a pre-conceived set of correlations. Then also look at the nutso claims MaRo makes that “horror themes” are less popular than UB. It smacks of “eating chocolate makes you lose weight” and “ice cream sales cause homicides” when you understand just how the data is being presented.
Remember when people complained that the 8th edition frame "didn't look like a magic card"
>>96777637I promise you, all the data from Nebraska is genuine!
>>96779536>secret lairThat's the point. Post the Atherdrift bonus sheet next time.
>>96779549It's a tournament legal magic card
>>96779536I remember I intentionally bought white bordered cards where I could because everyone said they hated them so much, sleeved them up, and nobody gave a shit.
>>96779554So is this. Now, you want to go on about all the ways Secret Lair as a business model has ruined itself and the game, we can do that. But you're crying about "oh, the limited run funni art reprint set looks different".
>who made you hate our product!>tell us and nobody gets hurt>just say the name
>>96779052Magic is dead.If you want magic, you will have to make it yourself.
>>96779582>equating full art cryptic command to SL slopBegine zoomy
>no new spoilers I want to see my waifu already!
>>96779601>my slop goodAnd this is why they're releasing more UB than not.
>ai sloppahot because woman but cringe because slop
>>96779592MonoBlueTron
>>96779592>start listing all the channels wich are on wotcs payrollthey genuinely made me hate the game tho
>>96779601I'm not equating, I'm saying it's worse on the grounds of being literally fucking unplayable without external knowledge. Again, you want to screech about how SL has murdered itself through oversaturation, be my guest, but "the promo card looks different and that's bad (unless I like it)" is shitty grounds to stand on.
okay guys hear me out
>>96779592Years ago I had something like this happen to me. It's a long story related to a misunderstanding about fake cards, but WotC contracted lawyers where I live to visit the LGS I was playing at and speak to me. I later recieved an email from DCI demanding that I share the personal information of people I was in contact with - including but not limited to real name, screenname, phone number, email address, home address, etc - and that I would be DCI banned if I didn't reply with the information within 48 hours. Not only did I not have the information they demanded, but I wouldn't have shared it even if I did. I told them this and sure enough my name was placed on the DCI banlist, expiring in 2049.Since the DCI dissolved the only place you can see it is on Waybackmachine. I played under a fake name at a different LGS for a month or two after, their contractors informing my usual LGS, but lost interest. I came back a couple of years ago and am sad that I missed out on a golden era of Legacy.
>>96779640>it's worse on the grounds of being literally fucking unplayable without external knowledgeYou'd know what Cryptic Command did off top of your head if you actually played magic when it was still Magic, zoomshit.
>>96779694concession accepted
>>96779640>full art cryptic is worse than slop lair!>i'm not a zoomer!>but I need external knowledge to know what crytpic does
>>96779710concession accepted
Guys i just had a great idea for my 30+ year old business. Im going to push my new experimental product on an huge section of my customer base and make it my only product. I'm planning on doing this for at least the next two years I have it all planned out I will still offer my original product but like only 20% of it will be the original stuff. This seems like a pretty safe bet for the next two years right?
>cards that don't have any game rules on them are good... because you should memorize them!Idk boomer-sama, that's a weird hill to die on
I know what cryptic command does because I was playing standard during Lorwyn block and can remember things I learn
>>96779443>flavortext implies mountains are non basicfail
>>96779742wow, as a sloppiggie I have a hard time remembering things I am told, and continuity is practically a magical power.
>>96779742>"this card requires external knowledge to play">"NU UH I USE EXTERNAL KNOWLEDGE"ConcessionAccepted
if textless cards are ok then i might as well just draw something on a piece of paper and make up my own effectsi hope for your sake you're only pretending to be retarded
choose two:counter target spellreturn target permanent to its controller's handtap all creatures target player controlsdraw a carddid I get it from memory?
>>96779755>external knowledge>it's literally in their headare you ok
shhh it's hot elf time
snu snu with elvish ranger
>>96779765elves aren't hot
>>96779760External to the card. If a printing requires you to already know what the card does in order to use it, it is a bad printing, full stop. No amount of "but it's okay because I already know how to use it" will change that.
>>96779640>I'm saying it's worse on the grounds of being literally fucking unplayable without external knowledgeYou realize alternate language cards have been tournament legal since forever, right? I don't need to know russian to be allowed to play picrel.
>>96779710NTA but full art cryptic has always been sort of a joke for how it’s a textless version of (what was once considered) a wordy card
>>96779759its actually each opponent controls otherwise yes
>>96779783the text explaining the card is still there and they're cards meant to be distributed in the country they're made forit's such a midwit equivalence holy shit
>>96779786I know, everyone knows, but he doesn't. This "person" never experience flying without TSA and doesn't have a soul, he exists to dance for my pleasure.
w-where... WHERE is the RULES TEXT?!?! I... I can't tell what this card does! You need external knowledge to play this, this is a bad printing, full stop!
>basic land>he wants rules for itbasics are a game mechanicAll these boomers here playing mtg for 45 years but they don't even know what basics arelmao
>If a printing requires you to already know what the card does in order to use it, it is a bad printing, full stop
>>96779778have fun with granny elf anon, I'm off to get nurtured
>>96779796Unless you know russian it's still external knowledge. External knowledge has always been a part of the game retard-kun.>what is regeneration? it has a lot of hard rules how can you be expected to have them memorized?
>>96779759I think it's 'tap all creatures your opponents control'.You would also bounce the permanent to its owner's hand. No effect ever puts a card in its controller's hand.
>>96779834Damn, you need external knowledge to know what Haste and Regenerate do. That means this is a bad printing, full stop. I sure hope someone got fired for that blunder!
>he tries to compare a base game mechanic with optional game pieces
>>96779782So you believe that foreign cards should not be allowed in tournament play?>>96779796>meant to be distributed in the country they're made forSo you are in favor of them only being legal in the regions they are distributed in?
I'm in favor that cards should have text on them that can be verified without having to go out of your way to look up the card elsewhere
>introduce new keyword>don't explain it>"uuuuhm akshually you should just know what it does">wonders why mtg gets no new players
>>96779866Ok but what's a land?
>>96779789>>96779839damn that anon must be right then, things did start to go to shit when textless cryptic came out. I did not get close enough
ENTER
>>96779866Yes, this is clearly the superior form of card, one that expressly eliminates all necessity of external knowled->>96779866>Ok but what's a land?S H I T
>>96779839>No effect ever puts a card in its controller's hand.Surprised they haven't done something like this for digital cards yet, seems like an easy move and they can avoid the main reasons it's not done in paper.
>>96779884This card kills the zoomy
>>96779814Yes, that is a less playable printing than a normal Plains, which features the mana symbol for correlation with casting costs. You slap a deck full of those down in front of a fresh player, and he is going to have a harder time than the one who got the deck of >>96779849. We allow WotC to get away with it because it is THE most foundational element of the game. Go ahead and tell me about how there's 20 Cryptic Commands in every single deck on earth.>>96779854Legality's got nothing to do with it. You drop that card into an English booster pack, and it's going to cause problems at prerelease night.
>whats a land?You didn't READ the game manual?Anon, in what kind of illiterate ecosystem did you grow up?How are you even posting?
>You slap a deck full of those down in front of a fresh player, and he is going to have a harder timegood, go and stay go UB zoomy
>>96779886The right answer is to have the entire game rules printed on every card.
Are we really gonna pretend needing to know basic game mechanics is the same as a textless spell that has 4 modes? It's gay for the same reason playing cards in foreign languages is, you gotta whip out your phone or call a judge over to make sure you're not getting scammed.
>opp goes fully cryptic deck because he think he's being witty>ask him to explain the card every single time he uses it
>>96779910>UB reaction image
>>96779915>mfw I print murder on a stick in the same set as a god card that can reanimate at instant speed
>>96779907JUST MEMORIZE THE CARD BABBY BOY
>numtg players have been so conditioned at playing solitaire with their metaslop that they think they don't have to let the opponent know what their cards do
>>96779917>Cbamdra Dalaar
>AKSHUALLY my opponent doesn't have to know what my cards do since he already lost the moment i cast my first spellDo mtgplayers in nebraska play only cryptics?It's not like anyone else is playing this game
>>96779917that's post-2015 secret lair slop, so that's bad
I don't even trust my opponents to know their own cards when they're printed in fucking English.
>>96779933No, bro, they're honest. I feel you though! Just trust the ecosystem
>>96779598I think that's the answer and then I see that the /ccg/ threads are dead or never catch-up.
For my first turn, I cast all 5 of my bird cards, face up for free, as they have no mana valueyour go
>>96779921>newfag trying to flip it so that not catering to newfags is the slop choiceNice try.
>boomertard who funded this game and the current state of it think he has the moral superiority>"WAAAAH STOP MAKING FUN OF ME UR FLIPPING IT"
I am inherently more suspicious of people who use foreign/no text cards that they're trying to escape some downside or mandatory clause they might not want to do and hope nobody wants a translation, banking that the opponent knows it "well enough" to forget specific wordings. Good thing cards don't have downsides anymore!
>>96779954i can this card wich is in dyslexia languageshe says if my opponent cast 5 birds i can cast this card for free destroy target player card and each player has to give me 5 dollar by paying 1 lifei can repeat this effect any time i want
I feel like there can be an argument made for cards that have extensive amounts of competitive play. Things get messy when it's extremely fringe at best cards that nobody in their right mind would have memorized other than the person playing it.
That's the point.But we're just ecosysteming here, Anon.
>>96779979>Magic Booming in Arabs countries be like:
>>96779979If phyrexian was easy to learn and broadly known, most players wouldn't have issues with that
>>96779971This will be a real Chandra card in 2 years.
I like MTGO because the game log uses the universes within names whenever someone plays the final fantasy or lotr versions of cardsI don't know what endwalker does but I know what brainstorm doesthanks MTGO ur my friend
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chen_Sheng_and_Wu_Guang_uprisingWotC is experiencing a modern-day version of this with content creators.>Penalty for not glazing Spider-Man: Pinkertons>Penalty for denouncing entire company and blasting them nonstop: PinkertonsSo now content creators are going all-out on blasting them because they know they have nothing to lose now.
>>96779940Nobody said it would be easy
>>96780042>wotc>allows boobs on Chandra
end of next year, the amount of cringe flavour text will be embarrassing
>>96780042>>96780091the joke was basically that it would have been called a fake card because it has boobsMaybe i should have written it in the card
>Mark Rosewater, designer of affinity and companion, now says another set he's the lead designer of has something "fans have requested for a long time"Reality Fracture is going to rotate Vintage, won't it?
>>96780127My money would be on a big in-universe crossover set, if they hadn't already done MOM and OTJ. Trying to sell that as something new seems like a stretch even for Mark. I think I'll put my money on Planar Chaos 2.0, because what we REALLY need is more blue dorks.
2010 to 2014 was the best period of magic and it's not just because that was my main period of play, I also played from 2018 to 2020
>>96777393do mtg trannoids really compare promo images o menus with killing the entire integrity of the game?
how do i make this less wordy?
>>96779052Just build a cube nigga.>curate your own ecosystem>unlimited draft fun>low budget if you want, sky's the limit if you wanna splurge>immune to money grabs, power creep, forced rotations
>>96780216>Landfall - Choose in order> - Waterbending costs (1) less this turn> - Earthbend 2> - Add RRR whenever you Firebend this turn> - Airbend 4 nonland permanents> - Kill Mark Rosewater
>>96780239Eratta: >Choose in order each turn
>>96780239>>96780244No, that still implies "trigger all in order on one land drop". Fuck me, this card is a disaster.>Landfall - Choose the topmost ability that has not been triggered this turn
>>96780264>Fuck me, this card is a disaster.thanks! I try.
Ngl i like mtg since it taught me what kind of designs to absolutely avoid when i'll decide to wake the fuck up and do my own tcg
>>96780127Maybe it's in-pie color shifts.
>>96780216i had an inspiration
For the love of fuck, get the Beleren fonts.
>>96780306>>96780216please stop
>>96780306To make it less wordy remove the flavor text words.
Mark confirms more reprints for RDW.
>>96780222I have. The issue is that everyone in my Legacy playgroup takes off immediately after Legacy finishes, and the dedicated cube group in my city are all shades of insufferable.
>win on turn 17 with 13 seconds left against azorius control in modern with boomer jundgreenboy011 i am so sorry
>>96780147>>96780294Red now gets prowess creatures that cantrip on EtB.
>>96780334>le quirk chungus questions instead of addressing all the other current problems
>>96780449Unironically rare example of Mark making the correct choice and taking softball questions instead of digging the hole deeper like he usually does.
is the full avatar set list out yet?
Rate my new card idea:>Spaghetti and Meatballs>2>Artifact - Food>When this artifact enters, you may discard a card. If you do, draw two cards.>2, T, Sacrifice this artifact: You gain 3 life.
>>96780526Nope
>>96780528"oh, that's a spicy one"
>>96780147>Blue gets mana dorks>Red gets hard removal>Black gets counter magicMeanwhile white gets key words like meanie/ haste/ trample and green gets access to understated fliers. This is 100% how it'll play out of they do more planar chaos stuff
>>96780550The loot draw is like spinning a fork in the spaghetti. I thought it was truly visionary design.
>>96779884i prefer my Dryad Arbors with the futuresight frame
To add to the outrage about the text less ( -counter Target spell ; -draw a card ; -return target permanent ; -tap all creatures you don't control) card:The text less cards from the player rewards were chosen among cards that saw lots of play in standard. Why don't you complain about the text less lighting bolts? Well because you played against or with it lots of times to the point that you remember what it does. Also CC full art was expensive back in the day and now. Someone would have a copy for people to see and just like foreign language cards: internet exists and you can search the card on gatherer.
>>96780551>>96780560Add Cycling, so you can spill it too.
>>96780566>just use an internet connection to play your card game
>>96779052Back when compbvllz ran the game it was good.Now, that the living feces elementals known as casuals run it, it is dogshit.HOW FUCKING CURIOUS.WAAC are superior humans is the ultimate, mindbreaking trvth nvke that /troonygoyim/ cannot handle because they know what they are, shit elementals.
Now that the game is a joke we should put stickers into actual real formats.
>>96780551Give white ramp
>>96780449He's too cowardly to take on the question about Island though
>>96780566>just anons fagging around>outrageLook man, textless cards can be excused if they're simple cards that don't do a lot and that everyone knows.Otherwise it's simply anti-game design and bad game design as well.Stop with the fucking baiting, we get it, you get a lot of upvotes and raging autists arguing you on r*eddit while you pull another epic witty one liner to disagree.The more you try to be unreasonable about it the more it makes you look like you're genuinely and actually retarded.
>>96780845You don't understand. If you don't remember all the text on this staple card from 10 years ago you're a fucking moron.
>>96780874bet there are some saying it unironically
>>96777393>actually comparing the game to a slop factoryHOLY PIGGY
>>96777209>Not Boom in Nebraska EditionAbsolute fucking shame on you, OP.
How do you get into magic?Im 30 years old and it feels inappropriate to talk to players at the local card shops because its mostly teens or kids.I dont want to look like a pedophile because I decided to buy physical cards.
>>96781199>How do you get into magic?Why would you want to?It is the worst game currently available on the entire planet.The only value Magic can provide is as a slow motion clown car crash to laugh at.
>>96781208honestly I think I just want an excuse to start a collection I can blow my brains over once I finish.
>>96781216Warhammer is the game you want, in that case. Giblets look great on a fresh paint job.
>>96781199What the fuck are you on about? The average age of mtg players is like 30-40.
This game is reaching slop levels shouldn’t even be possible… but we have to think about sane ecosystems LMAO
>96780711The containment thread is leaking again
>>96781287
>>96781199>it feels inappropriate to talk to players at the local card shops because its mostly teens or kids.really?I went to a draft and I was one of the younger people there. I'm thirty lol. I think there was one teenager
>>96781311Is that MaRo? Crying about the truth and deflecting with historic references? Classic Kike.
I hate that I really wanna like "colorless matters" in concept cause I hate ugin and I hate eldrazi but sometimes I'll see something like pic related and even if it is UBslop I just feel a twinge in my heart begging me to build around it
>>96779798>This "person" never experience flying without TSA and doesn't have a soulYou know that describes almost everyone under 30 at this point right
>>96781449'colorless matters" would be alright without colorless also being the designated "useless therefore easier to get" mana type (see also Urza's lands, Coulpost, Pain lands, and colorless utility lands). But, as long as it's treated as the designated "useless and plentiful" color it can't be allowed to also suddenly be useful and start mattering, that's the kinda shit that breaks formats (see also Affinity, Eldrazi Winter, to a certain extent 12post in Modern)
>>96781362I've literally only ever seen two people under the age of 20 playing Magic at my LGS. One teenager and one kid who came to play with his dad.
>>96781449This guy seems pretty cool. I want to try to turn all of my opponent's lands into wastes one day.
>>96781449>>96781553a part of me feels like "turn into Wastes" would be a good compromise on wotc's hatred for land destruction but I'm sure they'd still say it's still too feel baderino
>>96781449*snap*This one is going right into my wastes compilation.
>>96781311>If you're comparing humans to animals, you are historically in very bad company.I really just have to stress again how fucking retarded this is. Simile is one of the most common language devices IN ALL LANGUAGES and animal comparisons are among the most common comparisons IN ALL LANGUAGE.This fucking moron is so stupid he is attempting to make the assertion that every human being that has ever lived, INCLUDING HIMSELF, deserves to be subjected to their own personal Nuremberg trial. (Everyone can identify he is referring to Nazis and the adjacent when he says "bad company")What a fucking joke of a person. He is beyond delusional to not realize how simply insane a statement like that is.>"If you use language at its most basic to communicate with others, you deserve to be ousted from society."What an unfathomable idiot.
oink oink mr. piggles
>>96781593There’s also just a very obvious difference between animal comparisons contingent on behavior and animal comparisons contingent on perceived racial inferiority. Nobody would call you racist for calling a cop a pig.
>>96781610>There’s also just a very obvious difference between animal comparisons contingent on behavior and animal comparisons contingent on perceived racial inferiority. Nobody would call you racist for calling a cop a pig.Apparently he's too idiotic, dogmatic, or perhaps too disingenuous, to realize the difference. I am not speaking in hyperbole when I say that is one of the dumbest things I have ever read. Sure, there's some stupid shit, but that statement has LAYERS of stupid. It's a boner fried idiot parfait.
>>96781593>(In a derogatory manner)
>>96781625Yes, and?
>>96781625>using greentext in a derogatory mannerbiggot
>>96781495Tron strategies are a classic staple of multiple formats and the game wouldn't be the same without them.
MTG is literally a card game about colors being opposed to each other. its core game mechanic is segregation. no shit crazy race communists can't design cards
>>96781644true, i like the balance of "colorless mana is easier to get but does less than colored mana"
>>96781570>on-curve counterspells are feels bad>decent ramp for green is feels bad>lightning bolt is feels bad somehow >but a billion creatures with multiple etbs and ward? Fine by meWotc just hates spellslinger style gameplay and it's so clear to me now. They want the game to become Pokemon: The Advertising
>>96781734Given the current state of instant speed interaction I wouldn't be surprised if by 2026 Standard decks run zero instants.
>>96781625yes, anon. when people are compared to animals, it's rarely as a compliment, you fucking donkey.
>>96781625Odd that they'd do multiple return sets to a plane with such "bad company".
>>96779536I used this as a 1/1 token, legit looked like one
>>96781734That's what happen when you give a single color the quasi monopoly of stack interaction. It's not that Wizard hates spellslingler gameplay, it's just they can't make them good because 4 out 5 colors have no way to interact with them and they don't want to change that.
>>96781738>>96781832jeskai black is pretty good in Standard rn
>>96781311>If you're comparing humans to animals (in a derogatory manner), you are historically in very bad companyso... no hells kitchen UB then?
I need the Avatar spoilers...My pigs are starving sacks of skin and bones
>>96781905I really, truly hate that they fucking got me. The one IP they could make a set on that I care about and that I wouldn't have issues with conceptually, the one time I'd overlook my hatred for Universes Beyond. The one thing that would get me to start playing again after I gave up on this game years ago. I have an unironic toxic relationship with this game I swear, the only thing keeping me sane is the cope of "it's ok I only downloaded arena, I'm not spending any actual money on it."
>>96781311btw these are the same people that instantly think of black people when anyone says monkey while they call you a racist for eating white bread
not Magic the Gathering
>>96781933Get a grip, avatar sucks. Even as a kids show.
>>96781905>>96781933The shills are on the clock, boys!Bring out the slop!
>>96777406>shitty timerchess clocks are vastly superior to irl meme standards of play.
skill, deckbuilding and deck quality are all worthlessall must be sacrificed in order to please the rigging and matchmakinggod i hate arena
Leave the ecosystem to me. First Nebraska, then the world.
>>96782129can you fix her face please
>>96781933You need your harddrives checked if youre a grown man who still likes little kid shows this much. I bet you wear diapers while you watch it
>>96782249You need your harddrives checked if youre a grown man who still likes little kid games this much. I bet you wear diapers while you play it
>>96782107Without the rigging you'd never get a win.
I like last airbender, watched it again last year and it really does hold up extremely well for a western cartoon; even holds up compared to anime of the era.But why is a kids show from over a fucking decade ago getting a magic set??????? I'd kinda get it if they were making a new avatar series and they made a set of that to coincide for ~brand synergy ~, but why this and now?
>>96782419Because it was a TMNT + Avatar Nickeleodon package deal.
>>96782429don't forget the spongebob secret lairand they're all owned by the same parent company as paramount which has star trek
>>96782429I wonder which was the IP wotc was clamoring for and which was the freebie
>>96782419>I'd kinda get it if they were making a new avatar series and they made a set of that to coincide for ~brand synergy ~there is a new avatar series coming out
>>96782458But the set is the decade old cartoon. Read what you quoted please.
>>96782466Well you can be sure we will get the new Avatar set if this one does well.
>>96779650>turn 1: torch changeling>turn 3: play vivi>?>win
>>96782207>>96782129
>>96779930Why are combo trannies like this?
>>96781449OINK OINK
OH IT'S LIGHTNING HELIX OH MY GAAWD
Why do standard sloppers keep spamming vivi and rdw? They can lose even to weak decks like this.
>>96779930idk if pic was based on a real event but I saw Kibler vs Holiday on YouTube recently and boy oh boy does it remind me of that. although Nathan Holiday did at least have a full head of hair
>>96782511like what? that art is made by some guy who doesnt know shit about MTG and the whole set is supposed to be a big "gotcha" at all Magic players for being fat sweaty nerds because the artist geniunely can't understand someone being passionaye about something they like doing
>>96782540But this general keeps telling me control is le dead in standard and there is 0 interaction cards, what gives!?
I miss standard. I missed brewing in it and I even liked rotation since I got to play and brew with new cards. I got some good favorites over the years of things that I would otherwise never touch. This won me the game several times and I'll remember it forever now. I played from RTR through DOM, stopped because I didn't have the money for it anymore, and now I can't return because I don't like what the game is now. Thank you for reading my blog
>>96782419>>96782466Making a set for the existing series still serves as advertising for a sequel series, in regards to brand synergy.
>>96782107Maybe play a real game of mtg instead of fake ass BO1 games?
>>96782553The majority of people in this thread are genuinely just bad at this game.
I haven't played Magic in a while, I quit about fifteen years ago. Is it worth getting back in? is it fun to play right now? If I do play, what formats are the most enjoyable?Also, do tourneys care much about card authenticity (i.e. do they police fakes)? I sold my collection: if I do get back in, I don't want to spend too much on cards (I have a family now, cardboard crack habits are no longer safe to have).
>>96782574>I haven't played Magic in a while, I quit about fifteen years ago. Is it worth getting back in?lol> is it fun to play right now?lmao> If I do play, what formats are the most enjoyable?formats lol right
>>96782574Assuming you're not joking this is probably the second-worst time in history to try getting into the game and it's very likely it will never get better.
>>96782553Plenty of interaction. It's just slow compared to the past. Before rotation, especially during the cutter mouse apocalypse, interaction was just too slow. RDW is still slop. But not as bad as it was when it was the mouse deck. Vivi is extremely annoying. But it's something like a 20% chance to get the combo and most games you should be able to stop it. The Kaito deck is still a thing because it can interrupt RDW or Vivi's wins consistently enough to win. But right now standard is just the most annoying slop format. Boring to play thanks to every other rare being some kind of Quirion Dryad variant and with white/green being entirely about token spam. >>96782574Pauper is the only fun format at the moment. >do they police fakesOfficial tournaments generally do not allow proxies. Luckily the vast majority of pauper decks are less than $100. You can 5+ for the price of one standard deck.
>>96782574Standard has the most sets in it and it'll probably get worsePioneer (supposed to be Modern Diet) is dedModern was overrun with Modern Horizons cards rotating the format last I checked, now all the top decks just use them to support whatever the new UBslop made for commander card is at the momentLegacy/Vintage suck so much people are trying to unsuck them by imposing a $30 limit on your decks (it's actually kinda fun)Commander is the only format that's FLOURISHING but only because paypiggies can't get out of the cognitive dissonance of "oh you can play anything you want in Commander you don't have to chase new sets/cards" and "oooh this card from the new set goes well in one of my hundreds of $1000 worth Commander decks, i better spend another $100 on the preorder so i could play with it as soon as it arrives!" and proving once again why anti-gambling laws need to be extended if we want humanity not to dumb itself into extinction within the century
i want to make this work ideas?
>>96782708Who fucking cares. Nothing left in this game is salvageable.
>>96782629>White green entirely about token spamHey sometimes they do +1/+1 counters too!
>>96782708Oink oink oink oink oink
seems green is moving away from pure "fight" effects as removal
>>96782763I'm so glad we can continue to erode the color pie at every turn.
>>96782763bite was always green
>>96782763Rabid bite effects have been greens default removal for a while now
did bite exist before the post-modern frame?
>>96782774>>96782790You say this like it should be the case.Things can be present and be wrong at the same time.
>>96782574legacy is cool, lots of format diversity, little UB shit
>>967827084 mana add +1 to the damage your sources deal is a bad dealsame for 5 mana +2 damage or mana +3 damageif you can proliferate it to hell and back it might be worth it but at that point just do something with poison counters instead
>>96782574You're better off just going to your LGS and asking if someone can lend you a deck to whatever format and trying it out for yourself. Or just install Arena or whatever. There's literally nothing anyone can tell you that'll answer your question without just trying current meta out yourself and seeing if you're into it, least of all here. This thread is mostly just people who have stopped playing the game years ago anyway and just like to doompost about it because they haven't found anything to fill the void after quitting the game.
>>96782708no idea how to make it work in standard but in other formats you have this
>open a Pauper room in Spelltable>nobody ever joins for 1+ hoursIt’s so tiresome man, i just wanna play 60 card duel with low power cards.
>>96782574I'm in a similar situation and wondering if I should try out arena.
>>96783040Arena is good, you can literally just play for freeIn casual you get matched up against similarly powerful decks to yours for whatever you play so you can play whatever you want, have fun and not lose every match
>>96783120I really need to build a sliver deck in arena one of these days
I was going to play my 4c DnT brew at legacy today but I went to bed very late and am too tired to play any kind of decision making deckOf the initative variants should I play RW, Naya or Winota
arena is still missing some core slivers like galerider
>>96783146those weird shitty humanoid slivers from m14 don't count>but his ability is impor-don't count
Seek medical attention if this looks humanoid for you.
>>96781832>black>red>whiteOnly green has this problem which is supposed to be balanced by having the best creatures... but every other color has pushed creatures too now.
>>96783144>I went to bed very late and am too tired to play any kind of decision making deckplay oops
>>96783171making sliver abilities only apply to your slivers was pure slop design
>>96781832Red had tons of anti-blue stack manipulationCards like orim's chant and grand abolisher restrict the amount of control over the stackCavern of souls exists that auto-stops counters for creatures all while refusing to give blue any boomerangs or land control requiring that if a creature deck ran caverns the blue deck would have to run one of the wasteland variantsGreen used to have xantid swarm which prevents opponents from playing spells on your turn after they attacked allowing green decks to push spells past blue and nu green has some green creatures that can't be counters. Autumn's veil also exists. Black can directly remove stack control from hands.You just need to stop being lazy and get good.
>>96783290the only,ONLY time old slivers giving abilities to opponents came up was in draft and in mirror matchesyou didn't just jam a random sliver in your deck hoping your opponent would also play a random sliver and you get to take advantage of his abilities. so they removed it, like the functional appendix it is.
>>96783425learn sliver history before posting
>>96783425>functional appendixIt doesn't matter that this drawback was only situational. It was one of the features of slivers according to the lore that they shared abilities. With being player exclusive now that flavor is gone.
>>96782496yeah well... sometimes they don't have it right
>>96783187You'd be surprised at the decision making that goes into playing it. However I played it recently and don't like to play it too often.
>>96782825>>96782763welcome to uhh 2016?
>>96783034I'm not sure if there are any strong pauper communities online outside of MTGO.
>>96783425changeling, faggot.
>>96783425>>96783473The only Pro Tour where slivers were relevant they won, and it only worked because slivers have a global effect> Chris Lachmann and Jacob Van Lunen came to Pro Tour-San Diego with a Sliver plan that flew in the face of nearly every other established draft strategy. But who’s telling these first-time Pro Tour players they’re crazy now? The New Jersey duo steamrolled through the Top 4 with their Sliver-rific concoction in record time, dispatching Kentaro Yamamoto and Yuuta Takahashi in five rounds in the finals after besting semifinal opponents Genki Taru and Masami Kaneko in four rounds.
>>96782774bite is just a sidegrade of fling
This game is so cooked...
>>96782763Green has had these for at least 10 years. But i agree, pure fight speels are way more flavorful card design.
>>96782429It's not just Nickelodeon, It's mainly Paramount taking over Magic.Star Trek and Nickelodeon are owned by Paramount.
>gather around pigs, i have buckets full of slop
>>96784207PIGGY SLOPPIGGY SLOPTIME FOR PIGGY SLOP
sideboarding is a trapwhy am i boarding in 1 card to stop my opponents 1 card that hoses my strategythe scenarios are either:>I draw my hate card and opponent doesnt draw theirs, my card has no effect>They draw their hate card and I dont draw mine, my card has no effect>Neither of us draw the hate card, it has no effect>We both draw the hate card, it has an effectwhy am I making my deck less consistent for the off chance we both draw the card
>>96784240um sometimes the opponent has more than 1 card that you're boarding againstalso sometimes you draw / dig more than your opponent so there's that
DUEL DECKS: BOSS HOG VERSUS BLM"Now we know why the Prophet told us to avoid pork." Mohammed bin Tamar, last words
i have come to terms that liliana of the veil is too slow for modern, and wrenn is mid at best with no wasteland value, inb4 boseiju, you're dead by theni think a better gameplan is a low to the ground rakdos 'midrange' top end being seasoned pyro and kolgahansthanks for reading my blogpost from someone playing boomer jund in leagues getting stomped by everything faster than control
>>96784240>how can changing up to a quarter of my deck realistically affect the game?Yes yes, you're so clever seeing through the grift.Anyway I T0 Leyline of the Void with Lantern in reserve to hose your reanimator strat.
>>96784323>esper tempo (WUG)wat
>>96784323>WUG>esperWotC not sending their best
>>96784323ACKerman
>>96784359>>96784363All their talent is in Nebraska tending to the pigs.Please understand.
>>96784337If my opponent mulled to 4 to turn 0 leyline I have time to play my lands and hardcast shit in reanimatorI'm not going to side in force of vigor and some random green cards because they will lower my decks consistency and I'm boarding in at least 4 cards if I ever want to see them and 8 if I want to see them and use them multiple timessiding in counterhate is the most retarded thing of all time and I'm already playing blue I should already have answers in the deck
>>96784240>sideboarding is a trapJust when you think you've heard it all.
>>96784389>I have time to play my lands and hardcast shit in reanimatorwhat reanimator deck are we talking about here? archon of cruelty costs 8 fucking mana and atraxa needs 4 different colors
>>96784416>archon of cruelty costs 8 fucking manaIf you're playing a reanimator deck without blue, you are playing dark ritualif you are playing a reanimator deck WITH blue, you're also running brazen borrower mainboardreanimator doesn't give a fuck about leyline
>>96784359>>96784363>>96784388the troon may have named it Esper to be funny despite it being WUG, much the same way he calls himself a woman despite being a manit is in their very nature to deceive
>>96784456>If you're playing a reanimator deck without blue, you are playing dark ritualthat's fair>if you are playing a reanimator deck WITH blue, you're also running brazen borrower mainboardso you're not hardcasting them>reanimator doesn't give a fuck about leylineI'm not the one saying that, I was just confused to how a traditional ub reanimator deck would hard cast archon and atraxa, I'm completely fine with not boarding anti-hate in ub reanimator, the deck was built to handle that
>>96784471>nooooo it's not their fault the player tricked us!shut up mark
>>96784496the trannies running the event are keeping the name from the submitted decklist to maintain the facade and build Manufactured Consent and establish the health of the Magic ecosystem via consensus
>>96784240>yeah lemme just keep dead cards in my deck
>>96784502Anon, you seem to have trannies on the brain for some reason. Is there something you're not telling us?
>>96784471Is that a troon? That is just what most white-presenting american women i have met look like
>>96784269how has your matchup against affinity been? I assume dogshit, kappa seems like it would dump on anything too slow.
>>96784323>burgers?
>>96784323What is this from?
>>96784269at least you're beating energy players, right?
>>96784456>If you're playing a reanimator deck without blue, you are playing dark ritualSuch as? Dark Ritual is only legal in like 3 formats and it's not relevant in Pauper and it's not like anyone plays constructed Vintage. So that leaves Legacy, so what is it? You're playing some sort of mono black reanimator brew in legacy with no sideboard? I'm really struggling to think just what specific deck this applies to.
>>96784699beating most everything, losing to mostly affinity and really fucking fast and amu titan when they know how to play it>>96784659terrible
https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%3Azettai-ryoiki&unique=art
>>96784807how long until this gets removed
>>96784750observe this "sultai" reanimator deck that went 5-0 in a legacy league todayhttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/7400510#papernote how it is playing 4x dark ritual, which not only allow its to thoughtseize entomb reanimate on turn 1 with force backup in game 1, but also allows it to hardcast archon on a later turn if it needs to play through graveyard hate, it is additionally running 2 brazen borrowers which can bounce an opposing leyline, and they are running 3 lotus petals, enabling the deck to hard cast atraxa as well.
>>96784834That's actually a pretty cool deck, it's cool that it makes hardcasting stuff more feasible to play around grave hate but since it's at the cost of interaction I don't know if it's worth it. Cool deck for sure though.But I do notice the clear presence of a sideboard there.
>>96784807His old school busty angels and elves with killer figures and barely any clothing contrasted with his modern Final Fantasy Flatties after WotC told him to make his art less Based is all you need to know about the direction of this game.
>>96784832why would it get removed
>>96784698https://www.twitch.tv/videos/25899367651h30m
>>96784856Alisae has boring art because he wasn't interested in making it. But you can sense the soul in his Akroma art, you can feel the passion. It's abundantly obvious that when he drew Akroma he had one hand on his pen, and the other on his cock.
>>96784843It's not my deckI'm saying there's no point in sideboarding and sideboarding especially antihate cards lowers your EV
>>96784878>forgot pic
>>96784891$20 says when they reprint her she'll be black
>>96784878>>96784856this is a tag search, not an artist search
>>96784914Don't care didnt ask give me more women with boobs. Remember when Chandra had breasts?
https://scryfall.com/search?q=art%253Algbtq-plus&unique=art
>>96784924Yes!
Someone remind me why the writers thought Loot should exist in the first place.
>>96785101marketable plush
>>96785080why is the retard looking off to the side
>>96785101You gotta understand that UBs being the mainstay have been the plan for some 5 years now. Before the UBs, they had the Praetors destroy the barriers between planes to set up for UBs eventually becoming part of Magic. Then there are the hat sets like Capenna, Thunder Junction, the racecar sets and the horror sets which normalize everything outside Magic in preparation for the New York blocks. Loot? He was prepping you for the Furby Secret Lairs.
>>96785137adhd. very common in red mages
How is Nebraska ecosystem right now, anons?
>>96785489flourishing
>>96784907I'd take that bet if there was any chance anon would actually pay.
>mtgo draft league>literally everyone has the same deckthis sucks
>>96782763It gets both. Each color gets two types of creature removal for drafting purpose.White gets high cost unconditional removal and oblivion ring.Blue gets aura and tucking.Red gets small damage and 6 damage.Black gets kill small creatures and unconditional removal.
>>96785824>>96785824>>96785824
>>96785101It's to have a connection to the Fomori empire without knowledge or loyalty to the Fomori empire. It also calls to mine the trope of child soldiers being raised to destroy their own people since they have cultural connection and how the ones that raise him are only using him as a tool to further their own means. Loot just a child will not have a lot of knowledge on the implications of his exploitation so he will of a more brand friendly presentation of his own abuse and choose forgiveness and peace as his character arc comes to a close.
>>96785080>green hair "lady">no boobiescheck>red haired gender fluid "girl"checkcan we agree that this woke shit looks bad in fantasy?
