Previous: >>96772666Shitty Commander Kill Spells Edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-april-22-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Make custom cardshttps://magicseteditor.boards.nethttps://mtg.designhttps://mtgcardsmith.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed) (embed) (embed) (embed)>How to proxy using any printerhttps://mtgprint.cardtrader.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: What is your favorite non-staple removal spell?
>>96779569>TQ: What is your favorite non-staple removal spell?Bounce is removal, yeah? Cuz this bad boy has gone in every blue deck I've made going back like a decade
>TQif countering counts as "removal" in a general sense (which is how I usually use it), I think my favorite is when it's color-hosing and strapped to a body. Stromgald Cabal and Order of the Sacred Torch both tickle my ass in the best way possible. If you mean explicitly instants/sorceries, I'm a huge fan of Desynchronization.
>>96779591>color-hosing and strapped to a bodyBefore I even read your examples I had this bad motherfucker in my head. GodDAMN I love him so much
>That Secret Lair Demonic Tutor is now selling for 100 dollarsscalper chads keep winning
>>96779102I cannot stress enough how fucking awesome I find this idea. best 5c hoser commander??? Only really the Niv-Mizzets care about colors like that, but not in a hosing way
i am here to save edh with my genius original card designi forgot the flavor text but it should say: "just run interaction bro"
>>96779605You know what's even better? This isn't even the only mono-white Knight who hoses colors. Northern, Southern, and Pentarch Paladin all destroy permanents, but there's something so snazzy about the ability to shut down a spell or make people ask to cast things.
Objective colour power rankings:Blue > black > green >red >>>>>>>>>white
>>96779675>there's something so snazzy about the ability to shut down a spell or make people ask to cast thingsthis is WHY people play blue
>he’s back and putting SLs in the fucking OP again
>>96779605Might have to brew an incredibly jank control list. The ultimate rube Goldberg machine, color shifting every turn, way too many untaps for one person complete domination.
>>96779772I am sure it has nothing to do with your uncontrollable seethe about literally nothing.
>>96779860>heh didn’t you know I make decisions based on what will annoy complete strangers the most?Not the own you think it is
>>96779877cry
Got 2 Spiderman gift bundles I forgot I ordered. Pulled maybe $50 in value from both of them combined.What a garbage fucking set.
>TQI just think it's neat
What makes a deck a pubstomp deck?
>>96779948if I lose to it
UB posting will continue as long as anon seethes about it like a toddler.
>>96779948Something that consistently requires either a high amount/very niche interaction to answer (e.g., hosed by blood moon but nobody runs blood moon), or that oppresses standard midrange play but typically in a more subtle way than outright staxBasically something that rapes generic value piles without getting you immediately kicked from the table.
>>96780002At least post good UB if you're gonna do that
>>96780016If posted a bad bolas citadel on a stick. you clearly have no idea about the quality of cards.
>>96780016FF sucks
>>96780016you forgot your trip, golbezfaggot
>>96780030nigga golbez is one of the most popular FF villains
>>96780002God she's so hot it's a shame shes slop for hogs.
>>96780056She slops my hogs nawmsayin
>>96779569>Shitty Commander Kill Spells EditionLethal Scheme is premium interaction, Ill have you know
>>96780016I still wish ExDeath had gotten a better card.
this is my next commander say something nice about him
>>96780375He'll be cool once you find you're Blade Of Selves and start turning everything into lizards.
>>96780374His card is perfectly fine, pretty decent even. Golbez has too much going on and makes you build two different decks at once.
>>96779591>both tickle my ass in the best way possible.This nigga zesty
>>96780407Yeah I'm not saying he's completely unplayable. And I mean, at least he transforms. There's a game plan there. I just would have at least hoped he did something with exile what with the void and all. Or at least didn't have 3 toughness when transformed too. But maybe it is for the best he's focused. Golbez is open ended enough that I don't participial feel a pull in any particular direction to want to build him myself.
>>96779569Not sure if this exactly counts but I love this in my mono white deck. So often people tap out for some big game ending play only for it to surprise and shut that down in colors players rarely expect.
Just ordered 4 wish spells in anticipation of them being legal next year. Hope you guys are buying them while they're cheap because they're all going to become staples the moment they're legal>inb4 "WISHES DON'T WORK COS THERE'S NO SIDEBOARD!!!!"Did an influencer tell you that?Read the fucking rules, pic related. Sideboards have never been a requirement for wishes. Wishes only do not work in Commander because the Rules Committee thought 100 cards was already more than enough. WotC has always had the stance that they should work, and the ONLY hypothetical rule in the entire comprehensive rules explains how wishes WOULD work in Commander if you Rule 0 out the RC's opinion on them
>>96780002>being annoying for attention is the height of comedy for me!So what age did your parents divorce?
>>96780489>I get upset over people discussing cards I dislike the art ofSo at what age did your uncle molest you?
>>96780494Not how I said "annoy" and you immediately exaggerate it to "upset"? You have legitimate issues you need to work through
>>96780489Its time we made UW piggies pay up
>>96780504AHHHHH THAT'S NOT SCRIMBLO BIMBLO
>>96780520Is scrimblo brimblo the worst WotC op of all time?>nooooo you're supposed to by product no matter what!!!! If scrimblo brimblo didn't matter why would WotC need to put 3rd party IP scrimblos on cards in the first place? Clearly their position is that people DO care what's on a card
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96780546NO IT ISN'T
>>96780546>>96780548It would fix cEDH
>>96780573Learn how to aggro instead of crying like a bitchBesides, cEDH isn't winning through reducing life totals to 0 and wins consistently occur turn 3-4
>>96780484desu none of the wish cards are even that good so I wouldn't personally care if they became playable
>>96779897yes, I will continue to post about UB bad every thread for years to come
Banned when?
>>96780652Never and it would be retarded to do so
>>96780660Your fire cards will never be real magic cards.
>>96780652GC when?
>>96780615It's pretty much a Demonic Tutor in every color, but okay
>>96780692>JUDGES? JUDGES?? MY GAME HAS BEEN CHANGED!!!! I THOUGHT I WAS PLAYING SOLITAIRE BUT THIS CHUD BROUGHT INTERACTION!
>>96780707they only let you search for a card with specific type, not even remotely comparable to DT lmaoonly exception are wish and mastermind's acquisition which are 3 and 4 mana respectively so they're really not that good
>>96780710>Crop rotation is game changing>exiling everything is notI don't get it
>>96780710Fine don't complain when I start looping Worldpurge.
>>96780796>being retarded is funYou are having fun... right? You're not being intentionally obtuse for no reason, right?
>>96780804What the fuck are you even talking about, retard?
>>96780857I'm asking if you're being stupid on purpose for the sake of amusement and don't have such a stupid opinion.>1 mana instant speed tutor-to-battlefield >vs one of a billion board wipeslmao yeah one of them is actually GOOD and there's a reason it's a GC
>>96780710>mfw my deck has basically every "fuck off" card>mfw counterspell, mana Drain, Deflecting Swat, Force of Will, and Fierce Guardianship getting slapped down>mfw people have actually gotten upset because I interacted with their little game of solitaireYou WILL be countered.You WILL NOT counter my stuff.
>>96780909Free counter spells quash more interaction than they bring to the table.
>>96780408>he doesn't know the details about the Furry Faggot lmaoSomeone drop the image.
>>96780594Bizarre post> learn to aggro!!> but actually aggro isnt viable in cEDH!!Yes thats why you make it viable by making life 30
>>96780967please do tell how you plan on dealing 90 damage before turn 4
>>96780909>Yeah I bring EVERYTHING to the table>Lists the most basic bitch wannabe wallet warrior interactionImagine not even mentioning Spell Pierce or Mana Leak because you have such brainrot you don't even know the full depths of what's available.>B-But they could have mana open...Sounds like a skill issue if you let your opponents get that much tempo over you that you need your little $40 card to bail you out only to get mogged by a Vexing Bauble.
>>96780973Only need to do 60, theyll do 10 to themselves with lands amd shit
>>96780985Why the fuck are your opponents doming themselves for 10 before turn 4? Are they ALL opening with Tarnished Citadel like idiots?
>>96780984Not him, but Swat and Guardianship are really good for mind games.>leave yourself with no mana open>idiots assume they're safe to do risky things >surpriseI once stole a Super State from an opponent with Swat, and we had to go into a time out session to explain to the guy that because auras can be applied to ANY creature, redirecting an aura is a legal move. Mind you this is the same guy who claimed using Swat to redirect a counterspell to target Swat was illegal.
>>96781004The instant someone proves they're degen enough to run free interaction is the moment I assume they always have it. It's the kind of bullshit you only get to do once. You're not clever. You're carried and you bought the ability to tap out irresponsibly.
>>96780407>mill (built in)>recur specific milled thingsYour brain is actually broken if Golbez is asking too much
>>96781018>you bought the ability toIsn't that mtg in general? It's like the difference between playing basic lands eith those shitty 3 color landscape fetches versus a full set of shocks and fetches.
>>96780484>hmm commander is a casual format>people rule 0 things all the time>most of these cases are covered by rules already>here's how this would play it>OMG WOTC HAS NEVER WRITTEN RULES FOR THINGS THAT ARENT IN THE GAME BEFORE!!! (Incorrect and illogical conclusion)How long you gunna keep this up?
>>96780494>snarky response>>96780502>thoroughly shut down>ignored>>96780504>>96780520>gay circle jerk>instant replyHonestly a pretty shameful display.
>>96780573>>96780967Even with 20 life aggro isnt doing anything in cedh outside of combo "aggro". You dont have to have opinions about things anon. Its not a requirement.
>>96780799Pretty dogshit spell to loop lmao
>>96781004If you actually want to catch people with this you'll run Daze because it works on anything and isn't telegraphed nearly as much.
Is there a way to calculate the chance of drawing a certain type of card within X turns, given a variable amount of those cards? I want to run a creature-based deck, but I'm wondering how many cards it should have to protect them (especially counterspells).
>>96781004Yes anon your busted cards are obviously very strong no one is impressed.
>>96780484why would I play a wish tutor over the card I will inevitable wish tutor for every single time
>>96781004>I am so clever for running these two cards everyone and their mother knows are goodthrilling
>>96780967It’s almost as if they were two unconnected statements.1. Instead of bitxhing about life totals you should play aggro, here’s a fucking Commander that will solve all your bitching and crying2. Your statement about “fixing” cEDH with lower life totals is retarded because the fastest ways to win the game don’t involve life at all.You could make life totals 10 and youre still not going to burn/combat faster than a turn 1 Thoracle
>>96781108Are you serious?
>>96781004>auras can be applied to ANY creatureLiterally no? Auras are very specific about what they can enchant. Super state can enchant a creature you (THE CASTER) controls. Youre a cheater.Youre a dogshit player who thought he could buy skill and uses them to literally just cheat and act smug about it.
>>96781125Yes, but he's also stupid because he doesn't understand either statistics or how bad most wishes are.
>>96780484commander WILL be over 100 card formatyour pack of slleves WILL not be enough
>>96781038The comprehensive rules don’t even mention “rule 0” it is a complete fiction made up by the Rules CommitteePoint me to any other rule in the comprehensive rules that works on a hypothetical basis. You can’t.
I could never get into magic outside of arena.My only option would be going to card stores and playing against sweaty strangers.
>>96781138>you cantI dont need to? We are literally talking about it. There doesnt need to be a precedent. >rule 0Is enshrined and upheld by the company saying>we are changing nothing unless statedAnd it wasnt stated.
>>96781135>your pack of slleves WILL not be enoughWhy the fuck would you sleeve a card in the same color as any particular deck that has a wish in it?Just bring a binder of cards youre likely to wish for
>>96781153Cool. When wishes are legal next year I hope you attain prostate orgasm with an especially long-needled cactus
>>96781004>Mind you this is the same guy who claimed using Swat to redirect a counterspell to target Swat was illegal.It is tho, retard. Swat isnt a legal target while targets are declared.
>>96781154and what if the card you wished for gets chaos warped or even countered/discarded and then your grave gets shuffled to deck?
>>96781174Tough titties? You could say the same about people who sleeve their commander in a different color in case they accidentally shuffle them inCasual format. You’re gonna be okay buddy.
>>96781183okay I'll just stack my deck real quick then
>>96781188If you’re playing with people you don’t trust not to cheat why are you playing at all?
>>96781196if you are cheating why are you playing at all?
>>96781154anon I don't think anyone will let you flip through your binder for 10 minutes every game looking for a wish tutor target regardless of whether Wizards says it's legal or not
>>96781205I’m not cheating, you chose to get upset about card sleeves and have a melty
>>96781183Funny you mention this. It's actually still in the rules that a commander's position is known at all times, even if it's moved to a hidden information zone like the deck.
>>96781207Yeah cos that’s a realistic scenario. A guy casts a wish with no idea of what he wants and then just sits there with his binder for 10 minutes having a good ol’ thinkYou people get so fucking histrionic any time youre exposed to something you dislike
>>96781212exactly what a cheating cheater would say
>>96781220Apply the same to cards you wished for and scrimblo’s your brimblo
>>96781222Yes, it is a realistic scenario. You see it happen all the fucking time with normal tutors and that's just looking at cards in their deck, why wouldn't it happen with wish tutors? Fucking retard.
>>96781188Hey anon you may not like to hear this but you're actually allowed to put your sideboard in different sleeves during 60-card tournaments, specifically to make it easier to take them out after you wished for them and are going to game 2/3.
>>96781228Why the fuck would you announce that you play with literal toddlers?
>>96781226It would be a bit weird but honestly the chance a wished card ends up back in the library is already extremely unlikely so I have no reason to care.
>>96781231that's bullshit but I believe it
what other rules can we "bend" to piss people off while we are at it? graveyard shuffling? mana weaving? you got something new?
>>96781250Using mechanically unique UB cards
>>96781250Proxying in unsanctioned games.
>>96781290>tfw I use Chang's bootlegs in all games, even WOTC sanctioned shit>tfw no one has noticed, not even people in their 50s who claim they know everything and started playing in the 90sI've found that as long as you don't do anything egregiously dumb like use a brand new looking foil grim monolith, no one will ever catch you.
>>96779936You could have pulled a mortgage payment from both and it would still suckThey have spiderman on them, anon
>>96779948Lying about powerlevel, especially when pretending to be a smol beanMy group hug deck is a good example
>>96780484The top reason why I sperged out so hard when the limp wristed RC folded like a lawn chair to the slightest bit of negative feedback was that the culture of "if its not broke, don't fix it" was never going to transfer to wotc. This is one of those instances
>>96781108Silver bulletsSuddenly riftsweeper and the white one arent so cumbersome
>>96781126
>>96781373seems a bit gay
>>96781381relevance?
>>96781381WOW ANON IT'S ALMOST LIKE ANON'S POINT WAS THAT AURAS SOMETIMES HAVE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS AND TRYING TO USE DEFLECTING SWAT TO STEAL SUPER STATE FOR ONE OF YOUR OWN CREATURES IS AN ILLEGAL GAME ACTION DUE TO THE ADDITIONAL CONDITION ON SUPER STATE
exile is gonna be another graveyard isn't it
>>96781369Part of the problem with the RC is that shit absolutely was broke and they refused to do anything for 5 years so it normalized tons of atrocious play patterns.
>>96780484have a lot of wishes started moving between insiders like other cards prior to every unban announcement?
>>96781164The only spell that's illegal to target is the spell itself. Deflecting swat is a spell like any other while resolving and thus can be used as target for counterspell.
>>96781435TMNT has revealed the first wish card in however many yearsWotC always intended wishes to work in Commander, only the RC stood in their wayThey made Legendary Vehicles legal commanders in anticipation of Star TrekThey printed a Heroes of the Realm card for LotR which has the keyword Precious which lets you have a Legendary noncreature artifact as a second commander, might be an ability printed for HobbitThey're fucking with the rules and wishes have always been on their list
>>96781532MOM wasn't that long ago
Why aren't YOU playing a card that basically reads>for 1 mana counter a commander
>>96781532gosh, I can't wait 'til magic 2 destroys this game universes beyond recognition
>>96781554Two and a half years. Almost as long as the gap between RC decisions
>>96781584Bold of you to assume I don't have such a card. I absolutely love this one and Eldritch Immunity in my colorless Eldrazo deck.
>>96781584Because I'd rather use that 1 mana developing my board rather than stopping someone from resolving their do-nothing scrimblo.
>>96780374This is what I wanted out of an Exdeath card.
>>96781532>the first wish card in however many yearsUnironically the same amount of time since we last had DFCs.
>>96780374>>96781721sorry bros he had to be a draft Uncommon because he was in a standard set with 90 other legendary creatures
>>96780504>Now you've done it you freak shit. You've fucked up. You're being tracked by the grid. The eye in the sky is watching. We're coming for you. Prepare to die.
>tqBeen running it since ORI. It's been powercrept by Farewell, but it costs less mana and choosing what your opponents keep is fun. I also like to run Mythos of Snapdax in my Mardu decks because it's the same thing for 4 mana.
>>96781863Fuck I forgot the pic.
>>96781420Imo it was broken in a "this is edh" way and not a "problem that will kill the format" way. Hands off is 100% what made edh good and it reinforces the fact that the format is casual first and foremost.
>>96781381Do you see some words on super state not on this entirely different card? You cheated.
>>96781885I didnt read the post entirelyDont text and drive, kids
>>96781870Based. This card is awesome. Looking back on it ori was a good time to be a player, even if I didnt appreciate it much at the timeIt even gave us my little buddy here
>>96781870if you want to talk about powercrept by Farewell, look no further
>>96781863>powercrept by FarewellThey are different spells, there are decks id want TA over farewell namely ones where I commit expensive cards to the board
I remember when the biggest thread-wide argument we had was whether we liked foils or not...
>>96781655This is one of the best removal spells in the game, and I'm tired of pretending it's not.
Convince me this isn't an amazing piece of removal (it is)
>>96781996Only in monoblue. There are much better options in other colors
>>96781958Its fantastic for commanders but I think you'll find most permanents in most decks are actually mono color.
>TQ:Definitely pic related, you can run him in the command zone and nobody respects him until he wipes the board repeatedlyOn a side note: Does anyone have that pic about social media which goes like "I have opinion A which is contrary to opinion B"? It gets posted here a lot.
>>96781947That's true. I guess Farewell is more of a blank slate hate whereas TA is comparable to a traditional one-sided wipe.>>96781930Lmao I remember this thing being a terror. How time flies.
>thought i had 39 lands in this deck>get screwed several times in a night>count them>34never cut lands bros
>>96781880It's not functional when the entire format starts revolving around who can crybully the other players the best.
>>96782080Seems like a pretty pod specific problem... that is a human element wotc can only do so much to control anon
I really hate how one of the best mass flicker spells has fucking spiderman in it
>>96782080I'm willing to hear you out before calling this a skill issueWhat exact situation are you referring to?
>>96782080just stop caring about crybullies, they're bullies they'll get the message that their tack doesn't work on you soon enough
>>96782079>having anything besides 37-39I refuse to listen to people who claim less is fine.
>>96782104Post list with 39 lands
>>96782116aesi landfallslop
>>96782116Mine are all 38, but I've been told 37-39 is the sweet spot. Anything less and you're just asking to be mana screwed.
>>96780016Wizards, swerve. Big dick orzov coming thruu
>>96782094This but the fucking Super State aura. The ONE fucking aura I've been dreaming of for over a decade and it has that goddamned art
>>96782079I have 33 lands including MDFCs and this is okay because I have like 16 draw spells
>>96782170every time i run 40-42 it feels amazing, but it feels miserable during build.
>>96782190>7 draw spells in hand>not enough lands to cast themMany such cases!
>>96781140Why does everyone assume magic players are sweaty? In most cases they are just not pleasant individuals.
>>96782190I *will* mulligan dow to four.I *will* proceed to be manaflooded for six turns.
>>96782079If anyone learns anything from this board, its this. And run more removal
my personal sin is i yap too much trying to guess what other decks are doing next and hyping up the fact they could win if they draw so-so or have it in their hand.
>>96782250At least you talk, i hate playing with shy autistic's
>>96782104I thought I was ok with 36 in two color. I mulliganed down to 3 before I found 3 lands in a hand. 37 or bust
>>96782250out-loud discussion of exactly what card is needed to win is a fun part of the game as well as teaching a genuinely useful magic skill in the form of card knowledge
How's Liliana, Dreadhorde General these days? I was thinking of slapping her onto my zombie tribal deck as a generic value piece since the card's a ton cheaper than it used to be and it used to be considered a powerhouse than could take over a game by itself but does that remain true? Or is she outclassed in the 6 mana slots these days?
>nobody posted their high landcount meme decklistsWew
>>96782385the UB newbies don't know what the fuck to do when a Planeswalker hits the board these days so they have a tendency to run away with things again
>>96782394I rarely play outside of my friend group these days, and most of them are experienced players so I doubt they'll let it run wild. But it's good to know that things that were considered very scary and powerful a few years ago are now being underestimated by new players.
>>96782391I run almost 50 lands with this deck if that counts
>>96782409Ok fair enough, this is a lands deck though Unless I'm mistaken people are talking about putting almost 40 lands in every deck>96782104Like this post here
>>96780424It's also really funny to cuck someone's T1 Sol Ring, especially if the hand relied on having that Sol Ring to be playable.
>>96782543I run natures claim for the same reason but theres nothing like a mana tithe
Mana leak is almost always better than arcane denial
Familiar's Ruse is almost always better than counterspell
>>96781870Tragic arrogance and mythos of snapdax are super fun. Making a guy who has Avacyn out sac everything except a shitty token is always peak.
>>96782583mana leak is bad in the lategame
>>96782104I have a treasure deck that runs 35. This is after a lot of tweaking and actual playtesting. But yeah, most non-cEDH decks should run 37 at the floor.
Chromatic Orrery is always better than Arcane Signet!
>>96782079Bro 34 lands is plenty. Run more draw. Skill issue
>>96782289You dont need 3 fucking lands retard. 2 is fine
>>96782658just got done in a game where three people mulled to fivethey all said they were running 34 landsmy first hand had 3 lands, hit all my land drops and still had things to cast because you can run lands AND draw spells
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>>96782630Buy an ad
guy thought rule of law was b3
>>96782728running stax against timmy is CRUEL even if legal
>>96782764there is literally NO reason you need two spells per turn
>>96782764timmy is casting only 1 fatty at the time anyway so nothing changes for him
I really dislike all the UB cards that are their own thing rather than just a renamed/alt-art pre-existing cards.Anyways, do you like infinite combos?>>967827701984
>>96782666Ah yes with my two mana I will play... Demonic Tutor and search for another mana
my entire edh group disbanded. i'm now back to grinding spelltable and visiting the lgs.
>>967826662 is gambling.
>>96782817>Anyways, do you like infinite combos?Depends on how long it takes to resolve them. If you take a minute or two to explain why we've now lost the game, fine and dandy. If you take 10+ minutes nondeterministaclly you are a NIGGER and should be hanged by the neck until dead.
>>96782875>lost the gameheh
>>96781956I only like foil if they enhance the artwork. 99% of them dont.
Why are people playing vampiric tutor over demonic tutor in bracket 3 decklists?
>>96782907Because it's a better card
>>96782907Instant Speed
>>96782630If you wanted me to post it again, you only had to ask
>>96782826Or maybe play a draw 2 spell in UB
>>96782940>mana rocks are... bad!?I didnt know edhtubers had good takes.
>>96781721Yeah this really does have everything I'd have wanted for him.
I fucking love mana octahedrons
>>96782951Mana rocks are an autoinclude in every deck and anyone who thinks this isn't the case has a dented cranium
>>96782940if these faggots at least tried what the advertise but no, that would actually take effort.lets instead>talk about hot takes without backing them up with data or trying them out>talk about the latest revealed cards and how broken they are (they are not)>shit on wotccongrats. you are a mtg "content creator"
>>96782954Just make an alter, anon
>>96782948Read the Bones is 3 mana anon
>>96782964they're not a good choice for green decks since they can just land ramp instead and not get their mana pool fucked by a Farewell or Vandalblast. Also kind of pointless in low-CMC decks.
>>96783017>they're not a good choice for green decks since they can just land ramp insteadYou can do both.>Also kind of pointless in low-CMC decks.Wrong. More mana means more spells cast per turn, especially in low CMC decks
>>96782983I'm getting more and more tempted every time something like this happens. Considering getting a small cheap printer for stickers that I can put over basics or bulk throwaway cards for something new.
>>96783044>greenwhy would I run a more fragile form of ramp over more gas>low-CMCwhy would I run things replacing actual early game plays and are just dead draws late gameMana rocks certainly have their place, especially in more battlecruisery decks, but they're certainly not auto-include in every single deck ever.
>>96782053
>>96782959>mfw I'm about to shit out a big spaghetti monster fueled by snorting a bunch of hedrons in my mana vaultGetting a pure bullshit turn where all the stars align thanks to mana vault, eye of ugin, conduit of ruin, and ugin himself is absolute bliss.
>>96783044>More mana means more spells cast per turnNTA, would also mention you would need ways to keep drawing cards to keep up with you constantly casting spells, but that goes without saying I suppose
>>96783068It can depend on the playgroup. If you have one of those monsters like me who likes to do silly shit like Enchanted Evening/Opalescence or the artifact one, mana rocks can be a crucial way to stay in the game.
>>96782940MDFCs don't always enter tapped though
>>96783068>why would I run things replacing actual early game plays and are just dead draws late gameBecause they literally let you cast more spells per turn. I know math is hard when you're brain damaged, but taking a hit to ramp one turn means being able to cast more on the next turn
>>96783081>he draws cards>he PAYS mana to cast his spellsLol. Lmao even. Gimme a second to shit my entire deck onto the table for 4 mana.
>>96783069Stop posting the backwards one
>>96783112>cast spells I want in the early turns>actually do things to advance my game stateor>play mana rocks in the early turns>forego the advantage of early momentum that my deck is specifically built to give mehmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
>>96783115>slivers
>>96783123Give me one reason why I shouldn't play as the best hive mind.
>>96783128It's expensive
>>96783119Yes, retard, unless your plan is to win on turn 3, you're actually gimping yourself by """advancing your board state""" playing your shitty one drops. If you spend the opening turns ramping instead, by turn 3 you can easily have access to 6+ mana instead of fucking 3 mana and your shitty 1 drops
>>96783115*blocks ur path*
>>96782964>any deckIf i have green im retarded to include them. And honestly unless you got ~10 rocks in your deck they are random draws and wasted slots. Stop paying for land drops.>>96783044>you can do bothGenuinely, you are a terrible deckbuilder.
Favourite card category?
>>96783112>have 3 mana>could cast 1/2 spells>instead cast a rock (wasted 3 mana to go up one)>next turn >have 4 mana (i missed my land drop of course gotta have my ramp spells)>can now spend 4 mana on real spellsVs no ramp>have 3 mana>spend if well>next turn have 4 mana>spend it allWow in 2 turns with 0 rocks i was able to do more impactful plays. How do the rocks help?
>>96783176>(i missed my land drop of course gotta have my ramp spells)This didn't happen by the way.
>>96783190If youre foregoing lands for rocks and ramp that will almost always happen. Post your deck list anon. Let me goldfish and see how often I have 4 lands on turn 4
>>96783211>If youre foregoing lands for rocks and ramp that will almost always happen.36-38 lands is fineYou also don't have to cut lands for rocks.You're a histrionic little faggot who needs to make up lies to win internet arguments. Sad!
>>96783211> I have 4 lands on turn 4There's nothing interesting about timewalking yourself
>>96783211>Post your deck list anon. Let me goldfish and see how often I have 4 lands on turn 4By all meanshttps://archidekt.com/decks/5280254/jlks_alela_game_knights_64
>>96783226I assumed you were at least a someone competent deckbuilder who isnt devoting ~50 of his deck to mana sources lmao my mistake! I hope you enjoy your games buddy>>96783239I have no idea what this post is supposed to be saying.
>>96783263Do you think posting someone else's deck somehow bolsters your position?>>96783270Somewhat*
>>96783270>>96783276Test it. Go ahead. >>96783263
>over 300 euro cost
>>96782630>$40What the helly?
If you are playing with someone who thinks they are smart for running clearly busted shit you are playing with the wrong peopleIf you are playing with someone whose idea of fun and strong magic is stopping other people from playing magic you are playing with the wrong peopleIf you are playing with someone who gets excited when cards that do what is stated above get revealed you are playing with the wrong peopleIf you are playing with people whose main priority is to win the game you are playing with the wrong people
if you are playing with people, you are playing with wrong people
>>96783303Extremely easy to cheat out, and it says>You may spend mana as though it were mana of any color.Which immediately fixes any and all mana problems
Every time I play this card and copy it 2-3 times(without copying it more), it results in massive asshurt. I have huge spells in my deck, and each time it's stack shenanigans about how 'slow it is' when the reason it's slow is because they argue over the rules at every fucking point and eventually concede they are wrong. There's no loops or infinites. I just don't get how this is different than cascade. I have to cut it from my deck because people keep kvetching over it.
>>96783285But its not your deck? Why would I care about JLKs decks im not talking to him.
>>96783303>>96783318also only been printed twice, at mythic
>>96783332Also generating infinite generic mana is piss easy, which then can be used on literally anything else in Magic
>>96783328>NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO POST A BAD DEEEEEECK!!!!34 lands in that deck, 36 with MDFCs. Go ahead and run the numbers. Why not give it a little playtest and see how valuable the mana rock ramp is while you're at it.
>format about casual play with jank fun stuff>uhhh if you dont use 75% of your deck space for auto includes that have nothing to do with your decks theme than youre shit at deck building bucko
>>96783355Mana rocks give you more mana per game, which means you get to cast more spells. If that isn't fun for you, then it sounds like you don't like casting spells
>>96783305>If you are playing with someone whose idea of fun and strong magic is stopping other people from playing magic you are playing with the wrong peopleHi, it's me, the wrong people
If you are yeeple, you are playing with the right people.
>>96783372>casting spellscouldn't be me
>>96783352>ask for his deck>he claims I ask for a bad deckYou were supposed to post yours yes thank you for admitting your deck is bad.
How does shroud work?Will the creature be able to target itself with it's own ability or not?
>>96783518reading the card explains the card
>>96783518reading the card explains the cardif the ability targets, then it cannot target something with shroud
>>96783518carding the explain reads the explain
>>96783542>>96783544I can't readDecided to ask after I saw some retarded "combo" using greaves' haste to have Whisper, Blood Liturgist sac herself upon entering the battlefield.
>>96783518it's an ability. it targets. it can't be the target of abilities.so no it can't target itself with its own ability if it has shroud. you would think that even if someone had shroud they could still figure out their own location and target themselves with abilities, but this is not d&d and rules exceptions are not made in instances where the flavor makes no sense
>>96783555that works just finesacrificing a creature isn't targeted
>>96783582seriously?what the fuck
>>96782964Id rather play rampant growth
>>96783270You are time walking yourself because 4 mana on turn 3 is dead simple to do.
>>96783594unless it says "target" it doesn't target
>>96783594yes newfriend if it doesn't say target then it doesn't target.The first ability of this card doesn't target either, so it can enter as hexproof/shroud creatures. Effects that say "choose" instead of target also go through shroud.
The only rocks I sometimes include are:Sol/signet for obvious reasons. Not in every deck but if I do have rocks they are there.Springleaf drum: paying more than 1 for a rock is bad most of the time. Signet gets a pass for being premiere at what it does.Very specific on theme 3 drop rocks ie: wand of the worldsoul in my tokenshit deck.The real problem is rocks (and land ramp to a degree but less so) is that you need a critical mass of them in order to be able to reliably factor them in to your game plan. Unless you have 10-15 additional sources of non land mana then you are likely to see one or two a game, if that. So you just flood your deck with cards that really only shine in the early game, and every other turn are not impactful.>but more mana next turn!You could have two turns in a row where you cast two splashy spells, instead with rocks you will cast one.
>>96783634>>96783635I see, thank you
>>96783305Well, I play with family so I roll with the punches>hey anon look! My new deck came in the mail! Yeah I just took edh rec and smashed it together with combos I saw on youtube shorts>also my shadow the hedgehog just came in >dude Ive been saying for months they need to print more split second>plus its sonic dudeGreat guy outside of mtg, no idea why magic makes him into a drooling grug
>>96783594Yes, seriously. Targeting is always signified by the word "target" or a keyword defined to use targets (e.g. "equip"). In this case no effect is targeting that creature- "sacrifice" does not use targets because ruleswise it's the permanent's controller sacrificing it rather than the effect directly targeting the creature. That's why edict effects like picrel are worded the way they are. If the PLAYER had hexproof or shroud then a spell like diabloic edict couldn't target them, but even that wouldn't stop Whisper's ability from activating because Whisper's effect isn't targeting you, you're sacrificing the creatures as an additional cost to activate Whisper's ability, and paying costs is different to being targeted by an effect ruleswise.
"Reading the card explains the card" is a simple yet powerful phrase often used in games like Magic: The Gathering. It emphasizes that most of the rules or effects a card has are written directly on it—so if you're unsure what it does, just read it carefully. This encourages players to rely on the text rather than assumptions or memory. It promotes clarity, self-sufficiency, and better understanding of gameplay. Many card games are designed with this philosophy to reduce confusion. In essence, reading the card often resolves most questions about it—because the card literally tells you what it does.
>>96783443You were going to put a deck into goldfish to prove to me that mana rocks make you miss land drops. If that's your thesis, you can prove it with a deck that isn't mine. So do it.Unless of course, it wasn't about proving me wrong with math and you were just fishing for something to nitpick. But you wouldn't do that, would you anon?
I've gone the opposite direction and lean into 3cmc rampWorn powerstone is exactly the bellcurve meme
>>96783624I dont really think you grasp the conversation anon and thats okay ^.^>>96783675No i was asking for your deck anon. And its okay if you are ashamed of it and dont want to share it i wont push it, I suspected it was a pile of rubbish to begin with. I haven't even looked at JLKs deck because its not relevant to my question.
>>96783684>^.^Oh, it's this retard. I take back all my (You)s
>>96783674you are a pig and you like slop
>>96783684I grasp the conversationYou dont understand tempo
>>96783674Totally—“reading the card explains the card” is a great starting norm, but it breaks down fast in real play. Here’s the counterpoint, anchored in the real complexity that cards and the rules engine impose:Cards are mini-instruction manuals. Modern text boxes often run multiple sentences or full paragraphs; even in casual play it’s common for a single card to take 10–30 seconds to parse. Multiply that by a board of permanents and you’re past “quick clarity.”Keywords are shorthand, not full rules. “Ward,” “protection,” “trample,” “deathtouch,” “daybound/nightbound,” etc., compress pages of rules into a single word. The reminder text (if present) is not exhaustive and won’t cover edge cases—so reading the card alone won’t resolve many interactions.Triggers vs. replacement effects behave differently.Triggers (“when/whenever/at”) use the stack and timing; intervening-if triggers (“At the beginning of your upkeep, if…”) only trigger if the condition is true then, and they check again on resolution. That nuance isn’t obvious from the face of the card.Replacement/prevention effects (“instead,” “as,” “with,” “can’t”) don’t use the stack and change events before they happen—e.g., “If it would die, exile it instead” quietly turns off “dies” triggers. You also need to know who chooses the order when multiple replacements apply.“As this enters” isn’t a trigger. Choices like naming a card or a creature type, entering with counters, or entering tapped happen without players getting priority. The text doesn’t scream “no one can respond to this choice,” but that’s how it works.-
>>96783729>>96783674State-based actions (SBAs) aren’t printed anywhere. Lethal damage, 0 toughness, the legend rule, etc., are checked automatically before anyone can act. Many “why did that die now?” moments aren’t explained on the cards themselves.Zone changes create new objects. “Blink”/“flicker,” dying and returning, or copying effects reset memory, links, and counters unless specifically preserved by rules. The card won’t tell you that its previous “chosen card,” exiled link, or counters are gone now.Linked abilities and last known information exist. Oblivion-Ring-style pairs, “imprint,” or “exile-then-cast” effects rely on links and the game tracking info the card doesn’t restate every time. Reading one side doesn’t fully explain the other.Wording nuance matters. “Can’t be countered” ≠ “can’t be countered by spells or abilities.” “Destroy” ≠ “sacrifice” ≠ “exile.” “Target” vs. “each” vs. “choose” changes what protection/hexproof can stop. These are rule-level distinctions, not just English.Net: Reading the card usually explains the intent, but actual outcomes often hinge on triggers vs. replacements, layers/timestamps, SBAs, zone-change rules, and keyword definitions—none of which fit cleanly in a crowded text box. A more accurate mantra is:Read the card, then check the rules it points to.
AI slop was here
>>96783736>>96783729kill yourself nigger
>>96783721No you really dont because im not wondering whether you can get 4 mana before turn 3. Im wondering whether the decks anon is boasting which is full of land ramp and rocks will get 4 lands in play by turn 4. So yeah you are just completely lost here anon>>96783696>post YOUR deck listMe when I've lost. I asked for your deck specifically. You are free to share it and you can try to come out of this looking like a man at the very least or we can just let you wriggle away like the worm you are.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HZxWNoyTJY
>>96783774Its really insane how illiterate you are.
>>96783772>wizard rule and keyword bloat slop>cant even slop up a real argument>has to use word slop obscenities and curses >emotional slop>probably has sloppy hair and sloppy clothes>life is sloppy>probably hasnt even eaten a sloppy joe, despite being a sloppig
>>96783729>>96783736Reading the card does in fact explain the card. Reading the card *does not* and no one has ever claimed that it would, explain the comprehensive rules.>read car manual>ERMMMM OKAY BUT HOW DOES MY ENGINE WORK!?!?!?!?Entirely different questions here. How do you use the thing vs how do the things I use actually function on a mechanical levelThis thread is full of fucking retards it is just a miserable place now
>>96783736Absolutely—Magic is a complex game, and you're right that many deeper interactions hinge on rules not spelled out on the cards. But here's the rebuttal:The phrase *"reading the card explains the card"* isn't meant to deny the existence of state-based actions, layers, or rules minutiae. Rather, it's a shorthand emphasizing that a *vast majority* of confusion in casual or even competitive play stems from players *not fully reading or parsing the actual words* printed on the card. Missed "may," skipped "each," misunderstood timing language—these cause far more errors than obscure zone-change interactions.Of course, the rules engine goes deeper. But that's true of any complex system—reading your car's dashboard doesn’t explain the engine, but it tells you what you need *most of the time* to drive effectively. Likewise, reading the card won't explain the legend rule, but it'll prevent misplays 80% of the time.Yes, effects like blinking, linked abilities, or LKI aren't spelled out—but the card still gives a *clear pointer* toward what’s happening. A card saying “return it under your control” or “that player may cast that card” gives players enough of a lead to ask *relevant* questions, rather than wildly guessing.So no, reading the card isn’t the whole story. But it’s the *first step*—and often, the missing one.A better mantra than yours might be:**“First, read the card. Then, if it’s still weird—check the rules.”**
>>96783305>If you are playing with people whose main priority is to win the game you are playing with the wrong peopleThis reads like a fucking parody of EDH players lmao.
>>96783800This is such embarrassing cope anon. You are free to elaborate i could use a laugh. Tempo is not relevant to this conversation, at all.
>>96783817The fact of the matter is that edh is a broken format and if your main priority is winning you can do that in a very efficient fashionHowever you also miss out on some of the fun of the format by approaching the game this way
Finally broke down all my old decks and precons and got everything organizedI feel so clean
>anons replying to chatgpt posts
>>96783832>broken formatBased on?>and if you just wanna win... efficientWhy? I dont need to be efficient to win or to have fun.>miss outSounds like you miss out cause youre a spiritual like obsessed with minmaxxing life and finding the most "efficient" way to do everything like a bitchmade little faggot goycattle.
>>96783817It is a social game the main purpose of the game is to hang out with the people around you and share a good time. the most optimal way to play commander is to have engaging enough games that have enough decisions and interaction to be engaging but not being so sweaty that you can't shoot the shit over it. The main point of commander games is to talk to your friends while playing a game that has funny or tense moments not to play with people you dont like and hopefully get to shit on them by comboing off with your netdecked value pile
>>96783821Ive explained it twice now in as many days, you literally can't read and thats not okIm not getting baiting into this circular feigned ignorance with you again
>>96783809Alright, riddle me this batman rules lawyer. I have leyline of anticipation, hive mind, mirari on the battlefieldI cast turnabout, paying the 3. I resolve my mirari turnabout, untapping my landsI cast narsets reversal on turnabout, paying the 3I cast display of power before narsets resolveI use my copies of narset to copy/bounce their narset/turnabutI cast sorceress schemes to retrieve display of power, letting mirari copy resolve before casting narset and turnabout againinfinite manaDoes this work?
>>96783853>twice in as many days>first day ive ever had this conversation >can only assume hes talking about tempo>tempo has literally no relation to my questionWhew
>>96783857>answer me thisNot even gunna read this because a complicated interaction doesnt mean anything. Reading the card explains the card. Reading the comprehensive rules explains the game.
>>96783883>pussies out from a legitimate question after being asked if this is done rightok chief
>>96783857No because the other players can tap all your lands with their turnabouts before you can try to resolve sorceress's schemes
>>96783844>hopefully get to shit on them by comboing off with your netdecked value pileeven $30 wotc precons are meant to win games on 4 or 5 now the format is truly dead due to the attention it got
>>96783898>even $30 wotc precons are meant to win games on 4 or 5Name all the precons where this is even remotely possible. Spoilers: you can't.
>>96783931the jeskai and abzan precons are both capablesource: i did itthere are probably others. i think the ff tidus deck can ballista kill on turn 2 or 3
>>967838961. I can tap the lands for mana before their spells resolve2. Their spells never resolve, I steal them all with copies of narset and display of power
The best aspect of Universes Beyond is that it brings out themes and card designs that wotc would have never done in a million years. They both play card design so ridiculously safe and push powercreep at the same time. For them every blue and red card had to act like an izzet card, every green and black card had to act like a golgari card. Selesnya is probably the worst case of this. if you dont like what selesnya does youll be hard pressed to find many interesting options for a white green commander.They are much more experimental usually with UB. THIS HOWEVER is not a postive of UB really but a knock on wotc for not fucking doing that with in universe magic
>>96783842Its about priorities If winning is your main priority I recommend a format better suited to competitive play
This thing is ridiculously underplayed
>>96783868I don't believe you considering this exact conversation was had yesterday with someone who said the exact same things as you and was equally unwilling to engage in concepts too far from a dogmatic stance on land count.You aren't fooling me. Go back to whatever youtuber's colon you came from.
>>96783832I'm not saying that you should act like every table is a cEDH table, but within the confines of the brackets (or whatever other criteria you use) you're playing in a deck should have a gameplan that aims towards ending the game.
>>96782607lategame?
>>96784069you know, where the game goes when you're not playing with FAGGOTS
>>96784040Because you can create infinite mana just by sneezing, nowadays. If it was printed like 25 years ago then yeah it'd be the greatest thing since sliced bread
>>96784065The phase sheldon't that was used in the past was build casually play competitively. I like that mantra, it is an example of a mindset where winning is not the main priority.
>>96784072you are already doing that with counters. especially ones that are designed for early game
https://archidekt.com/decks/16796854/ashnod_deck_about_sacrificing_shit_for_double_the_benefit
>>96782964>Mana rocks are an autoinclude in every deckDumbfuck take. Ignoring green, I'd shoot myself before putting even a sol ring in my hogaak deck with a mana curve that don't go past like 3cmc.
>>96784241Sounds like you're running quite a faggot pile with Phyrexian Altar and the Guildmage
>uuuh no i dont like ramp because im badManarock haters really exposing themselves
She cool?
>>96784372surecard art could do with out the weird gold shoulder pad thingieswotc hates women bodies
if (You)r commander costs less than 4 mana you're a powergaming munchkin queer
>>96784463BASED
>>96784497Post your decklist right now anonI mean, this IS (You)r commander, right?
>>96784463RUDE
>>96784306naturally
>>96783811>Rather, it's a shorthand emphasizing that a *vast majority* of confusion in casual or even competitive play stems from players *not fully reading or parsing the actual words* printed on the card. Missed "may," skipped "each," misunderstood timing language—these cause far more errors than obscure zone-change interactions.Can't believe chatgpt understands this game better than half of you tards
>>96784463mean ;w;
>>96784463nah
>>96784519>>96784541i want these arts in english soooo badwtfwhy does the west get the shit-tranny-arts-------does any anon have experience in making proxies with sticker labels?
>>96784573>sacrifice a creature to create a shitty artifact
>>96784372KOS
>>96784541>>96784519>ramp in the zonenever gonna untap
>>96784519>thought she was showing massive cleavage from the thumbnail
>>96784115>phase sheldon'twhat
i feel like flying is way overused, or reach is way too underused.
>>96784695This is because of pussies who are scared of spiders and wotc having no imagination
Remembered this dude's existence and it's funny how he's still a world beater despite being so simple and straightforward compared to many high power commanders today.
>>96784719keep it simple, stupid
>>96783890>pussies outWas it a question or an attempted gotcha anon? Your choice of words suggests it is the latter. And the fact it was posed at all, nothing I wrote made it out like im some rules guru. Just that the adage>reading the card explains the cardIs true. And that it never claims to explain the rules.
>people who actually care whether you use a randomized d20 versus spindown for player ordersurely if you can slightly predict the result of a spindown you can do the same for a d20, am i missing something. is this not pure autistic ritual?
>>96784846Well you could practice rolling and roll in a certain way to slightly (slightly.) increase your chance at getting a higher roll with a spin down ano!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>96784846This post is how I learn what a spindown is
>>96784866>66gotcha
>>96784866more infocontemplate the sides ...d20 side will add to 21 with the number from the opposite side.
>>96784846spindowns are less likely to be balanced, as they weren't designed to be rolled to provide a random value
>>96784846It's autism.
>>96784463Behold my power gaming commander
>>96779948lying or misrepresenting its strength to gain an advantage pregamein reality though it usually just means someone playing something you dont like
>>96784497Wow. A not-terrible legend from that set
>>96784040Extremely solid tap enabler in Peter Parker/Spider-Man decks.
>>96782940Not all MDFC enter tapped. There's a bunch that enter untapped if you pay 3 life.
FUCK YEEEEAH
>>96781996Doesn't work on cards with a backside which are becoming extremely common
>>96785029they're not extremely common, just slightly more common than they used to be
>>96785039I'm not going to bother counting how many we had between spooder-mon and FF. It was a shit ton.
Need some help, I wanna make sure I didn't make an illegal play here>playing vampire tribal with like 15 vamps out on the field, because of Bolas’s Citadel I go from 5 life to 3, casting a 2 mana vamp with 2 life>The second I hit 3 life, opponent lightning bolts me down to zero >in response I tap five vamps and take control of my opponents untapped Zacama, and then I pay 3 mana to gain three life, putting me back at 3 life>tap five more vamps and take control of my opponents blazing archon (at which point my table begins arguing whether or not I am a piece of shit for using theft cards)Is all that successfully on the stack or what? Or would I have gone to zero life and died?
>>96785048It is all successfully on the stack; your play was legallightning bolt went onto the stack, and you reacted to it with stuff that was all instant speed.Activated abilities are all instant speed unless specified otherwise.
>>96784996To be fair this guy goes nuts if you hit something like Morophon or Sixth Doctor on turn 3. Or even turn 2 is possible if you dropped a mana dork turn 1.
>>9678504632 between themor! Less than what SOI had.
>>96782094It sucks more because the Through the Omenpaths has so much better flavor!
>>96785048>>tap five more vamps and take control of my opponents blazing archon (at which point my table begins arguing whether or not I am a piece of shit for using theft cards)Your table sound like faggots.You have to tap a huge amount of specific typed creatures for that shit. It's not Expropriate
>>96782094Just proxy the omenpath version? If everyone hates UB as this thread claims then I am sure no one will really take issue with you wanting less UB in your deck.
>>96785086I would love to, only problem is kikes of the coast won't release the omenpaths art in high enough resolution to be used for printing
>>96785076Sometimes I feel that way. They also thought I was a dick for playing eldrazi conscription on my commander and swinging, even though I had a horse (Orvar the All-Form) I was willing to sell them
>>96785024Best spell in red fucking fight me
>>96785093Yeah they seem extremely unfun.
>>96785093>complaining about an 8 mana timmy enchantmentdo they just not like it when cards do things or what
>>96785095I cannot fight you. Because you are objectively correct.
>>96785110They’re playing Atla Palani and Pantlaza and just don't like when I interact with their stuff
>>96785126Ah the>LET>ME>DO>THE>THINGTypes
>>96785126eldrazi conscription is not fucking interaction please wedgie ur gayass playgroup for me
>>96785095Too bad it causes omega seethe.I've now had 2 people scream bloody murder when I suspended this.
>>96785141The seethe is half the reason it's so good.
Saccing 2 permanents= “azorious stax garbage”
>>96785141Jhoira? I gotta see this list
>>9678516210th Doctor/Adric.I prefer the top deck manipulation style to Jhoira's style. I also like being able to manipulate suspend.
>>96784915>>96784933Really I'm just retarded and thought d20s were d20s whereas spindowns referred to things like this (because y'know it spins)
>allows me to play Azorius millWhy am I supposed to hate UB again?
>>96785191cause art
>>96784463N-nu uh
>>96785245>chains in shothahahaha
>>96785245Show decklist
>>96785260You know that shit is proxy chink crap
>>96785260EVERYFUCKINGTIME
>>96785245>>96785271stop samefagging swordtard
>>96785282classic poopdickschizo post
>>96785191I use him for azorious mill in my Persistent Petitioners deck. Allows me to stall from big combat damage and giving card draw with it
>>96784463And I almost got away with my sinister cedh plot, I can't believe I was given away.
>>96785245You really love showing off that Chains
>>96785282Ok you post deck
>>96785291you wish retard
>>96785260Oops~ did I do that?>>96785271Here you go, did some changesI like it, I just wish it was more consistent to get combos running>>96785306It's probably one of my favorite card I own, up there with Tundra, Gaea's Avenger, Lake of the Dead, Survival of the Fittest, and Tolarian Academy
>>96785075who is this lady and why does she have antlers?
>>96785369Is that a lady? Looks like a femboy elf
Post commanders you wanted to build until you realized the deck doesn't function if the commander is ever removed.
>>96785417i want to create a laser beam but -1 power effects aren't an archetype.
>>96785417I played against someone who ran this deck, it was hilarious
>>96785417This would be the scariest creature in the world against Golbez
>>96785520Did the deck function or did he get his commander removed and do nothing all game?
>>96785553"please dont kill my commander i just want to do something funny it's all my deck does"
>>96785581Yeah, that's what I mean. If his commander got removed and all he had was scry and surveil stuff and was just doing that all game. Funny. Got to have some kind of back up and if he didn't then he learned that the hard way.
>>96785553He Teferi's Puzzle Box'd us and there was another guy popping off with Feather so we were kind of distracted
>>96785591There isn't a back up for that kind of deck
what commander should I use if Im a girl and want to show my local playgroup that I can win with a non-lame commander?
>In blue>can't protect a commanderCounterspells, nigga. Counterspells.
>>96785417I would literally never remove this anon unless she was somehow absurdly large. Probably trigger this once or twice all game.
>>96785645The first effect can easily combo with a lot of absurd shit.
>>96785653Also these decks tend to focus on tons of targeted land destruction that allows you to grab a basic. Forcing players to decide between damage or just losing the mana
>>96785602girls typically pick non-lame commanders because in my experience they have a weird tendency to pick rakdos.do you like rakdos, anon?
>>96785602Girl (penis) or normal?
>>96785680PINGAS
>>96785681You should hook up with our tripfag
>>96785467I like this guy but the best decks for him to do his big thing feel like they'd want him in the 99 of something else.
>>96785417I've been sitting on Hylda for nearing two years since I pulled her. I've got a rough deck built out of stuff that would work with her that I've pulled over time but I never really play her since I know the moment she's removed a good deal of the deck just stumbles. Rhoda and Timin are a kind of backup strategy at least.
What's a fun and decent (bracket 3) commander with a somewhat nuanced gameplan? Like something that isn't tribal midrange or Light-Paws levels of autopilot
>>96785984walking the tightrope between casting big swingy spells and flying too close to the sun and killing yourself is a lot of fun (for me)
>>96785984Oloro :)
>>96784241>noooooo muh heckin curve is so low I don’t neeeeeed it!MOREMANAMEANSYOU CASTMORESPELLSPER GAME
>playing with some actual newbie players>draw your deck's God HandLife is so cruel sometimes
>>96785671I like white and green and want a cute tribal
>>96786054>>noooooo muh heckin curve is so low I don’t neeeeeed it!Correct
>>96786093>turn 1>land>sol ring>arcane signet>turn 2>land>have 5 mana tow work with>you: NOOOOOOOO I COULD HAVE PLAYED A 1 DROP CREATURE TURN 1!!!!!
>>96786110Why do I need mana in a cheerios deck?
>>96786110colorless mana isn't going to do much in a colored low CMC deck
>>96786112Your deck’s total mana value is 123, it is not all 0 mana spellsAlso, the control player is playing taxes, so congrats your “cheerios” now cost 2 mana each minimum
>>96786118Arcane Signet is any color, but I gotchu, play the color pair signets and filter lands and your mana won’t be colorless
>>96786128>but what about this specific uncommon situation against a single deck archetypeYeah, guess I lose. I don't think I have ever faced one though and the rest of the table is likely to focus that player.
>>96786134>play colorless mana sources to play mana rocks you don't need in the first placeor just play gas instead of fiddling around with rocks
>>96786134I'd much rather just run 18 mana dorks in my Spooder-Mon deck. We need creatures to tap.
>>96786138>but what about this specific uncommon situation against a single deck archetypeI could have said the same to you moving the goalposts and calling it a cheerios deck all of a sudden after it being “low cmc” minutes before>inb4 that wasn’t me!!!!Shouldn’t jump in on other people’s conversations unannounced then should you?>>96786141Refer back to >>96786110 as many times as you need to. More mana per turn means more spells cast per game.I get that youre a massive Timmy and you puss and shit any time your deck isn’t “doing the thing” but playing your shitty 1 and 2 drops on curve isn’t “gas”. The land sol ring signet open has a decent chance of happening every few games, and by the end of turn 3 the player who opens with that will have had 14 mana to work with meanwhile you will have had 3>>96786142Ramp is ramp. The entire reason we’re on this argument is because these retards are defending a guy who said you should run 42 lands instead of any rocks because lands are harder to remove, but whatever~
>>96781070HyperGeometric calc
>>96786170>by the end of turn 3 the player who opens with that will have had 14 mana to work with meanwhile you will have had 3>the mana rock haters were so anally devastated by this post they didn’t even catch that it should say 5 and not 3
FF precons are down to $40 again, are they a good pickup at that price?
>>96786397Fuck off UB tourist
>>96786397Yeah. They're all pretty good and have legendaries that are easy enough to build around.
>>96786397>40the fuck? Weren't they MSRP 75?
>>96786397Yes absolutely but also where the fuck are you finding them for that much because some of them have shit worth more than that
>>96786055>did not mull the god hand awayYou're the cruel one here lmao
are any of the final fantasy precons good?
>>96786599He said draw not start with you dipshit
>>96786762You know he didn't mean that. Touche anyway
>>96786762Are you retarded?
>>96786796Are you?
>>96786802Yes
>>96786804Same
>>96786490Not him, but they're currently going for >$22 for Terra>$40 for Yshtola and Tidus>$55 for Cloud
>>96786901>$40 for YshtolaFuck that's worth it
>>96782964No, the need for ramp is wildly over exaggerated meme in this game and is mostly a relic of old commander when average cmcs were 5-6. Landfind ramp is fine because it's pseudo draw and thins the deck and lands are usually safe, but rocks and other dedicated ramp sources that you put in because you want to generate extra mana are basically dead cards unless they're in your opening hand. Top decking dedicated ramp after turn 3 will not help properly built decks, so you're dedicating several cards to fixing a problem you shouldn't have in the first place and which can't help you when you don't have it. If you replaced every dedicated ramp card with dedicated draw instead your decks would be way better.
>>96784719I moved him into the 99 and promoted Katilda because my group aren't retards and he would get auto removed as soon as he hit the board.
>>96786921>my group arent retardsAnd yet they leave the all creatures are mana dorks with an anthem commander alone. This is very curious to me
What is the best color to add to dimir?Also, what should I build to round out my EDH deck trio? So far I got an Atraxa counters deck (no infect nor superfriends) and Yuriko ninja tribal.
>>96784463>if (You)r commander costs less than 4 mana you're a powergaming munchkin queerMine cost:24 / 24 / 23534Am I based?
>>96787183Red if you wanna go for aggro stuff, white if you wanna go for defensive stuff. Green is meh desu senpai
>>96787183>my commanders are atraxa and yurikoat this point anything is an improvement over these snoozefests
>>96787183green if you need ramp and good noncreature removalwhite if you need protection, sac fodder, or exile
>>96787183>What is the best color to add to dimir?None, clown3 colors are cringier than ub
>>96784719He really can hit high above his weight class if given even a single turn cycle. It's simple and direct power and I really enjoy him for it. He's a little too high mana cost now a days but he's still one I keep around.
>>96787231>>96787231>>96787231
>>96787183>So far I got an Atraxa counters deck (no infect nor superfriends) and Yuriko ninja tribal.Daring today, aren't we?
>>96785467I have built him and you certainly can get enough effects which drop power to do that sort of thing. Pic related is my favourite.
