No Kill Like Overkill EditionPrevious Heresy: >>96766169>Legacies:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Thread Question:If your legion could get a named character model made in plastic, who hasn't already had one in FW resin - who would you pick?
>>96780109Omegon. I mean it's the last primarch without a model.
>>96780116Interesting choice. Wonder if someone like Sindri would've been active around this time, though.
>>96780109Malchador.
>>96780109I would use my choice to instead get a resin upgrade pack for use on all characters, because special characters are gay and no one of good moral character uses them. One of the best things 3rd did was turn them all into varieties of beatstick so there's no incentive to run them anymore.
>>96780120There's also Ingo Pech. Sindri being in HH would only enable ALfags even more in their constant memes.
Where horse
>>96780109nykona sharrowkyn
>>96780142I mean, I like to imagine Carron was a Tactical who got PTSD'd from a Rhino rush, so that's a fair observation.
>TQRevuel Arvida
Regardless of their official height being 7', do you like pretending marines are 8' tall? Should Primarch be 3 meters tall??
>>96780150No horses, Will.
>>96780142Armilus Dynat works because he's one of the guys who specifically doesn't look like Alpharius. As if "old bald guy" was somehow unique. Same for the Exodus personaBoth Ingo and Herzog would pretty much be Alpharius without his helmet of spear, wielding a bolter and gladius
>>96780150GoldSiege Tyrant
>>96780166Give me a horse, man
>>96780165No, because being ridiculously large is an increasing disadvantage in combat, specially ranged combat. Not to mention that having an assault being significantly slowed down because the marines would have to awkwardly bend down, or even worse crawl on their knees, to fit through corridors made for regular humans, is just laughable.
>>96780116...You know, I wonder about that. You think we'll ever get a rule where we can deploy both AL Primarchs on the field?Anyway I'm personally hoping for a God-Emperor model so he can lead the Talons. You know GW will do it at some point.
yestarday I came back home today, after 3 months working abroad and found out that my mother decided that my "toys", books etc took up too much spet and threw them out. Not even sold or given to someone. Just trashed them. And now I am not sure what to do. I don't think I want to rebuy my army , not even sure If I want to buy a new one. And two days ago I was spending a ton of time thinking what I want to buy for christmas. Anyone had something like that happen to them? Like someone stole your army etc and suddenly something you cared a lot about, suddenly stopped to matter.
>>96780241When I was a kid, my religious grandmother destroyed the Heroquest box I bought with my measly allowance because her church told her fantasy games were satanic.30 years later I'm still mad about it, and you should be mad at your mother too.You should take the opportunity to throw away her "toys" too, and teach her a lesson about fucking around with valuable personal items, and lack of respect.
>>96780241Let me guess, eastern europe?
>>96780109Azkaellon mite be fun, though you'd have to introduce SG properly to use him which would just blur the 40k/30k lines moreDahka Berus? Nassir Amit? Servius?
>>96780241Can you take her to small claims court?
>>96780261Yes. >>96780259I don't think that others doing bad stuff or stuff you don't like, gives me a pass to do that in return. Otherwise what am I suppose to go go "hunt" GW execs for removing Legion of the Damned after I build the army and doing to Death Wing the stuff they did post 8th ed?But thanks for sharing. Maybe I never liked the hobby. I don't think I remember why I got in to it. I know my friends played the game, but non of them plays for years. And I mean like decades. Well to makes things funny. I have an order on 30 tacticals incoming, because 0 of those and they seem to be crucial this edition lol. Have a good weekend anons.
>>96780280Not really. Mostly because here you wait years for the court to go in session .I know someone who has been trying to get divorced for 7 years, wife constantly is sick, her lawyer is sick, she changes the laywer, the judge changes etc And you have to pay for each month of civil case running. After 2 months it would cost more (bribes and lawyer salary not included) then buying a 3000pts army.
>>96780193Why haven't more non-imperial factions forced the Spess Mehreens to fight in cramped spaces only suited for people 6 ft and under?
>>96780300that is easy. The "door ways" aren't build with humans or space marines in mind. They are build in mind with smallest high efficency portable power generator, which is mass produced, in mind. And those mother fuckers post golden age are the size of small modern car. And as you can imagine this means you can fit a space marine, terminator etc in to such doorway too.
>>96780300heavy flamers
>>96780300Same reason they never fight them on large flights of stairs which would kill them if they fall down I guess.
>>96780288>Yes.Every time, fucking kek. At least she didn't throw it into the fireplace like some other anon's mom did, and give half the neighbourhood lung cancer by burning resin and plastic models.
>>96780342There actually is one 40k novel in which a Deathwing terminator falls through a wooden floor into the basement, and gets stuck there because the rickety wooden stairs don't support his weight. He gets left behind and told they'll send a crane to hoist him out, lmao.
>>96780351...I remember we made jokes about things like that in the beginnings of /tg/ I never actually knew it was real.
>>96780346well it was not a fire place.
>>96780351There was also another one where IG were getting assaulted by csm, they pew pew, then terminators deep strike and start running at the IG line, only for the asphalt that made the road to be too soft for a multi ton bi pedal mini dreadnought and some of them start sliping and go to their knees.
>>96780357Holy shit, it was even worse than I remembered
>>96780342>>96780351>>96780356
>>96780288>Yes.>Why can't you be like your dad and be a man and watch football, get blackout drunk and beat me every week?The only solution to the Eastern European parenting is to cut them off. Or up.
>>96780109where is she anon
>>96780395Anon I live on a farm that belonged to my family since XVIth century. I can "kick my" parents as in order to take over the farm, I had to sign an "eternal care" (legal term here). My parents (rather my mom, my dad moved out 4 years ago to live on his parents farm, after his brother died) are immovable from here, and if I treat them bad I could be taken to court, by state and the state, unlike civilians, takes stuff through court at an expert speed. 6-9 months and I would have to buy my mom a house or flat. Which I can't afford. I already have to work in UK to not be in the red at the end of the year.
Just bought Legion Imperialis; pretty fuckin happy>Be australian>probably 1 other person plays it here
>>96780459An injection of insulin is undetectable and the death looks like a heart attack.>fucked by his own parents>lives with it
>>96780545A man that rises his hands against his parent will be damned to deepest depths of hell. Vide example of Horus and his corrupted traitor brothers. Filial piety is the most important of virtues.
>>96780583WRONG! CRIME MUST BE PUNISHED HARSHLY, NO MATTER THE PERPETRATOR!
>>96780592Big words from a guy that led to his whole families death and was quartered with 4 chariots. For transgresing against the natural order of things.
FYI Yuropoor anon sometimes sentimental value is greater than family relations.>Oh hey this stuff my son use to rave about from a young age to young adult, im going to throw it out>I SHOULD TELL HIM (because I need the attention) I THREW IT OUT INSTEAD OF SAYING I'M LOOKING FOR IT DURING THE MOVE OR SOME OTHER EXCUSE>Complete woman moment when I go ballistic at her; dad has to restrain me>surprised that I crack the shits with her and don't talk to her for 12 monthsI empathize anon cause it happened to me. Fun fact my rental I'm living in contains half of my dads stuff because my mum tries to throw out anything that isnt nailed to the floor
Finally got my basecoats down, except for the patterns which I'm going to try and brave soon. Question about shading/weathering these guys; should I do an agrax/nuln wash on the red trim and recess in the shoulderpads, or leave it to the oils to do the work?Also, should I do a pinwash grey for all the white first, then do some more dirty weathering, or just say fuck it and go straight into the dirty?
>>96780668looking great anon. I found out that for my low skill ass the best way for my WS armour, is base coat light grey, dry brush the living hell out of the model with white. Then put a watered down mix of light grey and light blue in the crack. and the red diagonal stripes only done with masking tape. Looks good enough. Yours are looking great
>>96780682There's a bunch of layers of airbrushing on them, they look more blue/grey tinged underneath than the pic shows off - the light makes them look super fucking stark but it is there in real life
>>96780688Look very professional. I like it. For all that it matters online etc.
>>96780109>TQFor NL, I think Flaymaster Mawdrym would be a cool get.For RG... I dunno, Agapito Nev, maybe?
Things will get better, right?
>>96780887
>>96780887Wait for 4.0 or you could just make a system of your own. What other way is there? On a side note, I hate how Legions draws Marines. They're just uncanny.
How many more years until the Battlefleet Heresy launch?
>>96780948would plap
>>96780950But anon, she's Jovian!
>>96780921I hope that bike armies are going to be fun in 4.0. Till then I am saving money for more models. Maybe buy enough skyhunters to have 21 with all types of heavy weapons.
>>96780962Anon, I am tatar. we plap all women.
>>96780950Far from the most outlandish "Would" I've heard in here
>>96781072Sanguinius dies forever from this fight - even though he has the fastest wings in the imperium and a long magical spear against a short 1h sword. Blood Angels kinda suck.
>>96781072>watermarks
>>96781092>the fastest wings in the imperiumYeah because there are so many other dudes with giant ass bird wings growing out of their back.
>>96781058anon that thing has no hair. how can a woman be seen in public without a wig?>>96781092yeah, but that was a trap build specificaly for him. That is like leaving a basket full of pistachio chalka with poison, and say that men fall for it, especialy if they are made in moms, or better yet grans style. He was done in by something specificaly made to do him in.
>>96780459Ah, I'm also getting fucked by my parents, or rather my mom. I fucked up in school and it took me some years to get shit in order but now I have a job and renting a flat. But my mother has no savings left and no job, won't get a pension either except the basic one everyone is guaranteed in my country. I will inherit nothing of value and she's living with me, also paying for all her expenses. I also want a family but she's been gaslighting me my entire life that families are bad and that I can only trust her. Considering kicking her out even though that means she kills herself and her dog (which I do love and have been paying for entirely the last few years). My life went to shit when my gf I was living with at the time decided to moved back to her home country with or without me, did this in the middle of my trade education and I was lucky to even find a new place to rent. At the same time my mum fucked up her plans and had to move in with me. The last few years I have had no life, just go to work and do nothing yet I have been unable to save money due to helping my mother with some large expenses. I would have preferred never being born.
>>96781148sounds like you need a job that requires you to be away from home for several months at a time and pays wellhit the oil rig.
>Lorgar lost in that sweet moment of spiritual fulfillment after learning his dad is suffering eternally but before learning that his dad is worshiped by the entire human species and it's all his fault
>>96781197Yes, that was a self-own by Lorgar.
Shit pic again, but made some progress.
>>96780241Wtf, demand she pays you back for the things she threw out, that is messed up. You should look for another place to live, your mom isn't trustworthy. Do you do her any favours until she repays you and apologizes.
>>96781148I understand you anon. My parents when I was 25 told me "you are staying here to run the farm". All 3 of my sister got to go to collage, move out abroad. They never had to come and stay for harvest etc. but don't say it would be better not to live. Be is better, then not be.
>>96781148How old is your mom? She needs to get a job and you need to move from her so you can live your life. She will ruin your life if you let it go on. What about your dad?
>>96781375NTA, but you have a choice to not be a serf or slave to your parents, you are not their property. You are free to do what you want. Wow some families are so toxic.
>>96781375True, but I'm turning 30 next year and I don't feel alive. I remember reading your posts months ago when they burned your minis. That's horrible man.>>9678138662, and she's living with my in my rental flat. She doesn't pay rent, doesn't cook but does clean now and then. It's odd because she went to university and got a good degree, though it wasn't her choice, then she struggled with trying ro please her parents and doing what she wanted. She did get rich once due to investments but she just lived off it instead of growing her fortune. I actually tried killing myself once due to her constant verbal assaults on my competence, pretty sure she's the reason I grew up with a crippling lack of confidence. But she has done some good things for me, otherwise it would have been simple to let her die. Just worried I'm giving up my life for her, just like she gave hers up for her parents.
>>96781434>Just worried I'm giving up my life for herYou are. Try to sit down and have a serious conversation with her about this. Ask if she really wants you to sacrifice your entire life supporting her just to end up dying alone yourself. If she has even a shred of maternal instinct left, that should mean something to her. Speaking from experience here. Don't put this off for too long and end up with nothing but regret. It's your life, and people living in the same house should respect that.
>>96781434Women do not fight with fists, they fight with words and manipulation. Have you spoken to her about her verbal abuse? You should tell her about your suicide attempt, I'm so sorry about that and I'm glad you are alive. Verbal abuse is awful to do to your own child, beating them down like that. Let her die? No her life is her responsibility, her actions are not your fault. Very manipulative behavior. Do not waste your life for abusive parents. If you haven't heard of him, check out Stefan Molyneux and his call in shows podcasts, he offers very good insights on abusive parents. He was abused himself by a single mom and a neglectful father.freedomain.com Take care of yourself.
>>96780134literally who?
>>96781629I think anon misspelled Maloghurst
>>96781629>He doesn't know
>>96781434Anon, when life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade! Make life take the lemons back! Get mad! I don't want your damn lemons! What am I supposed to do with these? Demand to see life's manager!Make life rue the day it thought it could give you lemons! Do you know who I am? I'm the man whose gonna burn your house down - with the lemons!Fuck your mom, she's a parasite hurting you. That's not what a good parent does, she's the one being a moral failure. You need to find a way to get on with you own life.
>>96781681I love 30k / 40k and this guy is barely mentioned, not surprised most people don't know who he is despite being very relevant plot-wise.
>>96780150>>96780191
>>96780887There's nothing too get better, you got off scot free. Literally one of the best melee output armies in the game if you can figure out delivery
Took my militia out for a swing yesterday. Their maiden match. Normally In don't play with an unfinished army, but Inindulged myself. Still made for great pics.My Malc landed a interceptor snapshot on a Steagle when it entered play. My force commander died after a hopeless charge against Crimson Paladins, but he did so with glory.After the match we had some AI slop written about the highlights of the match.
Poor sods.
Ogryns died to a man, my discipline master lost his head. We managed to kill two indomitus terminators though.
Seconds before disaster.
The moment I got a lucky shot on the flyer.
I eventually lost the match with only a few VP difference. Once you mentally pull yourself over losing many, many units, Militia plays surprisingly well.Scoring despite of suffering statuses. Go to ground reactions, T6 ogryns due to shield wall. Discipline masters removing statuses by whacking a fellow soldier.
>TQSurprised he doesn't have anything yet.
>>96780921>, I hate how Legions draws Marines. They're just uncanny.What's wrong with them? Most of them were literally HH Black book illustrations edited into action poses. Like how Torgaddon was the vanilla SoH officer from Betrayal.They just had no other pics to use lmao. The scavenging was real
>>96781960I like dual wielding marines. Aeonid Thiel appears in some novels but has no mini. Armilus Dynat appears as a mini, but not in novels lol
>>96781834>After the match we had some AI slop written about the highlights of the match.Better tell me the slop about who your OCs are and how they came to end up fighting each other that day
>>96780362That's really fucking corny. fantasy authors randomly deciding to apply realism as a gotcha when they're already handwaving everything and running on pure rule of cool.like no shit, ludicrously large vehicles and mechs and power armor are impractical because of ground pressure? you don't say! except this was magically never a problem until the plot demanded it.
>>96782023Some highly autistic person did rough calculations way back in the day, and a warhound would actually have less ground pressure than regular cars today.It also makes the oversized armoured boots of marines make some kind of sense. Larger area of contact means less pressure per square inch.
>>96782038has he factored in that warhounds can run ?
>>96781960>>96780109ooh you know what? not Thiel, but Orfeo Cassandar now that theoretically he could have a Gambit or whatever that allows him to 1v1 Kharn or even Angron for a round without dying instantly
Leak the epub.
>>96781884thanks for the battle report anon, gives me the strength to keep working on my own militia. were there any units you had that felt kind of underwhelming?
>>96780668Just absolutely rawdogged mine by applying the AK Dark Brown Wash formulated for green vehicles.This is what they look like cleaning up the dried wash with cotton buds and mineral spirits.
>>96782259That would require someone to buy bl slop, one written by the pissboy no less
>>96782334Fucking wicked.
>>96781834Looks awesome anon. How did you find the militia's ability to actually kill stuff? Any standout units?
>>96780583>A man that rises his hands against his parent will be damned to deepest depths of hell. Vide example of Horus and his corrupted traitor brothers. Filial piety is the most important of virtues.getting rid of the abuser will never bring back what's lost, outside of that i think they kinda had it coming
>>96781798>scot freeWhere's my jump pack Rampagers from last edition? I don't even want falax blade spam to return, I just would like my Rampagers that were perfectly legal to be usable as themselves instead of proxies. Every other legion's elite melee got their jump packs back in Legacies.
>>96782413In Legacies, under Red Hand Destroyers
>>96782334Love those anon, thanks for the input
>>96780150What if instead of SM on horses, there's a marine with a cybernetic centaur lower body? We know there's marines with mechanical lower bodies that aren't just two legs.
>>96782334Fuck those look great anon, nice stuff.
>>96782427Missing the entire point of the unit in question. Try again.
>>96782554The point of the unit varies depending on the rules it getsIn 3.0, the point of "jump pack rampagers" aka red hand destroyers is to get vanguard points
>>96782431Not a problem. Feel free to shoot questions and stuff into the aether of the /hhg/ threads.Here is a WIP picture of the same squad, this is them waiting for the wash to dry.
>>96782662I really wish they hadn't made HH heads smaller. I think with the the old scale heads look fine on the new bodies. Only thing my autism doesn't like is the old pads having a thicker rim than the new ones. But at least it's consistently on the left, so something-something extra reinforced.
>>96782427this anon is so retarded he thinks a S4 WS4 1 wound unit is the same thing as a S5 WS5 2 wound unit. They're not even vaguely related.
>>96782723It's much more pronounced on the MKIII pads. It is what it is with the difference in machined steel molds for HIPS and silicone molds for resin.If something looks a bit off, at least it's applied consistently through all line mooks. Consistency is key I guess.
>>96782723Yeah the small brainlet heads are so ugly and retarded, I might swap all my nu-beakie heads
>>96780357>>96780346What the fuck
>>96782786I do not like nu-sculpts but I do like your paint jobs anon
>>96782910see>>96780898
How did you choose your legion? I know two/three threads ago the suggestion of choosing a legion based on personal mental illness but I ended up split between these four:Imperial FistsIron HandsEmperor's ChildrenSlamanders
>>96783096Yeah lmao. Very well, now you gotta try them. You wouldn't buy shoes without first trying them on, right?Make lists for each of them and try them out. Either use count as, or Roll20 or TTS or whatever. You'll see how your lists play and what they're missing, so you can refine them. Choose the list you enjoyed the most, but keep note of all the gamesCongrats, you've both chosen your legion, and fluffed a war theatre with enemies you can identify with, so it's not one-sided either
>>96783096>How did you choose your legion?I paid a Gypsy lady to parse it from chicken bones.
>>96783096I read the Horus Heresy books and fell in love with Ahriman. Also I guess I always thought of myself as some kind of nerd. Also having collected Tomb Kings back in the day helped me. Maybe Egyptian themes are my weak spot since I was a kid, watching The Mummy and other movies set there and playing Age of Empires 1 since i was like 3-5 years old.
>>96783087Thanks!
>>96783149>GypsyYou mean Indian
>>96780583Horus heresy isn't real man you can kill your parents if you want
>>96783238No those are different guys
>>96783273No gypsies are originally from north india
>>96783321Oh ok
>>96783143>Make lists for each of them and try them out.I might sound retarded but I suppose once that compliment the legion both in playstyle and fluff? >>96783203I'll try that, so far the reason the Emperor's Children are in that list is because of Saul Tarvitz and because they share a similar insecurity to the Iron Hands
>>96783096Flow chart it.Is there a Primarch you like: Pick that legionIs there a Primarch you hate: Pick that legion OR their rival legionAre there legion specific units you like: Pick that legionAre there legion specific units you like but they are from multiple different legions: Alpha LegionDo you like bikes/jetbikes: Reaper of Lives BlackshieldsDo you have a favorite color/colour: Pick that legionDid you reach this point: Iron Warriors (You are posting here, so you're probably a bitter autist.)
>>96780241Take some of her jewelry and sell it, buy new army.Also stop living with your fucking mom
>>96783096what chapter you used to like/hate in 40k?
>>96780545Jesus it's some models and you want this dude to MURDER HIS PARENTS.Jesus Christ man. Seek help or just kill yourself, you are ending up in hell either way
>>96783439>Iron Warriors (You are posting here, so you're probably a bitter autist.)I don't think I am but I who knows
>>96781834Two FULLY PAINTED ARMIES and 90% fully painted terrain? In /hhg/????Did hell just freeze over
>>96780545Bro how you gonna inject someone against their will without leaving evidence of struggling? Even if you inject them on the navel whilst sleeping idk, something's going to happen
>>96783476Executioners, Flesh Eaters, Exorcists and Nova Marines
>>96783096Index Astartes - Alpha Legion
>>96783321and you're still from african descent in all this if we go back thousand years or soi blame USA for the retarded ancestry tests
>>96783563>you're still from african descent in all this if we go back thousand years or sodeboonked
>>96783096salamanders were my first pickthen dark angels (for a small time)then the blood angels; i think i have enough for apocalypse now (pic not related)
>>96783573bunch of apes around the globe went "oh we have fire now" around the same time ?what then ? you wanna brag about your nordic neanderthal ancestry then ?
>>96783496;__;Honestly what could Perturabo do? That anon dismissed it too quickly, but his intelect is on par with the Reductor Mechanicum, and he does have skills similar to Vulkan and Ferrus, but with logistics like Guilliman, which those guys don't have all at onceLike, he literally creates a time-slowing machine to fight Hrud on his terms, which no one else was able to do. The only two other times people have fought Hrud was Tau (drones & remote battle suits) and massed Dreadnoughts (won but perished after what felt like thousands of years for them)Horus and Erebus actively sabotaged Perturabo, but he was able to fight an Ork empire that not even the SW and WS together were able to defeat. And yet Perty is merely called "some comrade in arms"
>>96783606That guy really is saying "I'm not African, I'm neanderthal instead" lmao
>>96783606>you wanna brag about your nordic neanderthal ancestry then ?For them?Yes, they do.There is an intense fear and fragility that comes with the mindset.
>>96783628he was spiteful from the beginninghe's the nerdy version of konrad; who couldn't imagine the sky was blue, because his visions didn't tell him so
>>96783549>ExecutionersThen play fist and make a list with focus in ships boarding and power axes. It is better to use phalanx warders models as veteran breachers.
>>96783628>Honestly what could Perturabo do?He decimated his legion both when he met them and after he took control of them. Him and Angron can eat a dick
>>96783642i don't care about what percentage of whatever bullshit ancestry corps can make upi'm me; i'm here and now and no the 5%mongol blood is not relevant to anything in my life. more retarded bullshit so muricans can feel safe around native genocide
>>96783628>Honestly what could Perturabo do?Not being shit would have been a start.
>>96783606>>96783642>>96783714>>96783643>bring up disproved science>get told it's disproved>"WHY SO TRIGGERED SNOWFLAKE HUH WHY YOU SO FRAGILE YTBOI"Totally natural reaction to being wrong btw
>>96783749i don't know anymore; i don't care atm; i have 5L of beer inside; i'm just dumb overall
>>96783479Someone is touchy about parental abuse. Let me guess, your kids hate you.
>>96782916>>96782723What clicked for me in regards to the scale of the new sculpts is comparing them side by side to the marinelets and regular mook humans.Also with my legion-specific MKII resin helmets, I had to roll a little ball of green stuff to attach them to the torsos due to clearance between the helm and gorget/trim.
>>96782294Ogryns for the most part. They distract, perhaps tie up a tactical squad. But they are far less a scary unit than they seem at first glance.Also, my discipline masters were pretty useless for all the points I put into them.
>>96781834>>96781884Anon this is lovely, well done to you and your hobby group. Fully painted is for closers!
Hilarity ensued.
>>96784128>perhaps tie up a tactical squadDid you not give them power mauls? Seems like they should be able to kill a tactical squad in a couple of turns with them
>>96783096I wanna pick thousand sons but I have no idea how I’m gonna do this without a printer and with adamant refusal to buy 40K or forge world stuff.
>>96781243these are going to look great with a wash or some oil like weathering anon.I did a basic grey wash through mine but if I did it again I would probably also give them a mostly brown oiling as well. \>>96782334Dirty scars are lovely scars!
>>96780241
>>96783096>How did you choose your legion?I liked the metal night lord chaos lord from back in the day.
>>96783628anon you have to accept the fact after a while some people become bitter.
How many kratos is too many?
>>96783799Why would he try that? Just fake your death
>>96784581There's always a chance.
>>96784558Aesthetically, one is too manyRules wise, the melta weapon seems really good but unless the opponent has land raiders or something like that I think you are going to struggle to make your points back.In general I think you are shooting yourself in the foot bringing more than one compared to other things like predators if you just want lass canons
>>96785061your retarded comparison misses that predators are made of absolute paper and constantly dmg1 while kratos is not worth shooting with most antitank in game and stable means all its lascannons deal 100% more damage while moving.
>>96785061>Aesthetically, one is too manyIt (and the sicaran) are the best looking marine tanks by a literal mile. Super chuffed 3e made them finally usable
>>96785061Three predators with full lascannons is what, 12 lascannon shots? A kratos is 4 lascannon shots + 2 melta gun shots. However if the predators move they have half effectiveness, so effectively 6 lascannons. Plus the S9 vs S10 is quite big. (as is Av14 vs AV13)I think if you need a dedicated At tank the best option is a laser vindicator, that shit smacks. Laser predators are however better utilitarians since lascannons are still pretty decent for poking at heavy infantry and shit.
>>96785123It's pretty ridiculous that a lasmaxxed pred can't even kill a rhino without staying stationary or having a multimelta
>>96785083Your retarded counterpoint misses that you don't need to move with 48" range weapons, that the kratos moves a whooping 7" with stable and that any kratos can also kill your kratos in one round of shooting
>>96785123kratos is 8 lascannons worth of damage because of stable. Predators are an especially stupid purchase because it costs +20 to get lascannon sponsons that do dmg1 on predators that die turn 1 or +20 points to get lascannon sponsons on the kratos that do dmg2 because stable while able to survive all 4 game turns.The kratos isn't "2 melta shots" it's 2 predator-one-shotting shots with Melta24" instead of Melta8", stable so it moves and stays Strength10+armourbane (easily one-shotting predator with dmg8 and kills on 3+ with 2 shots) 10 multimeltas in melta-range are less scary if they had to move than the kratos melta while zooming with 32" threat range stable.The difference between 13/12/10 armor and 14/14/14 armor is monumental. Particularly for melee and deepstrike and jetpack and jetbike units where predators' 10 armor gets it dead instantly to even S8 powerfists that are nearly 100% harmless to the kratos.Laser vindicators also suck compared to kratos, but not as badly as predator sucks. The laser vindicator is still an easily dead on turn 1 glass cannon that is 10x easier to counter and kill than kratos, and it's still a joke if it's not standing still (2 shots only dmg3 instead of dmg8 of kratos), but at least when it is stationary its guns are actually scary to AV14 spartans trying to drive onto the center objective unlike the predator's toy guns. So while Kratos is S-tier broken, Laser vindicators are roughly B-tier to Predators D-tier performance. The downside of Laser vindicators is they're far inferior at fighting non-tanks. A 160 point laser vindicator with only 1 gun is essentially nothing against enemy terminators, jump elites and other non-tanks, since it gets 2 shots to the kratos 6 shots (which hit identically hard against terminators but 3x more times) The killer is how bad 13-13-10 armor is. Any random hammers/fists or meltabombs or DS and vind pops instantly.
>>96785214Breaking News, in RETARD's WORLD: Buildings do not exist in the game of Warhammer. 48" gunlines can sit stationary and will always see any enemy unit they want to.Literally the IQ of a 5 year old.
>>96785123If you are even bothering with a predator in 3.0 it's with a heavy conversion beamer as an artillery piece to blow holes in blobs on objectives or vanguard units in the open after they charge something.
>>96785290I'm still amazed the Lernaeans get the full-fat variant of the conversion beamer and as such can do the same thing. 3" blast is less effective than the Predator's 5" blast, but getting 2/3 of a predator thrown in with your objective-holding elite TEQ squad is a hell of a deal. Someone squished up an entire Astartes army into a soup-like homogenate and made terminators out of the mix.
Almost done with the Kratos. I was apprehensive about the airbrush blue but I think it turned out fine.
>>96781851Do you happen to have any frontal shots of those Ogryn, Anon? I have been looking for armored Ogres and those look great.
>>96780109LUC SEDIRAE
>>96780459>XVIth centuryChad eastern euro historic legacy. American "patriots" could never. As an eastern myself i am kind of jelly. My apartment was built in 1915.On topic, do you think you feel that way because you did not notice when you fell out of love with the hobby? And the models were keeping you tethered to it like some subconscious sunk cost fallacy? Did you "force" yourself to finish whatever hobby related thing you did previously? Maybe give it a month or two to figure out how you will feel later and then decide if you want to continue.
>>96780583>Reaping Time
The good news is, I'm singlehandedly shifting the meta of my playgroup by making them reconsider taking nothing but Tacticals, command squads, and AV14 vehicles after I've demonstrated the effectiveness of "statuses out the wazoo" with my mechanicum, they're now talking about taking veteran assault squads, sicarans, and of all things Chaplains since voxes can't protect against getting hit three statuses a turnThe bad news is,they're already talking about restricting me, by imposing a 1/1k limit on domitars, krios lightning cannons, and vultarax
>>96786561Can't believe people are genuinely falling for the "nothing but tacticals" meme. Nothing easier than killing some tactical squad standing on an objective, and when you put your stronger unit on the objective after there is absolutely nothing the remaining tactical squads can do about it. The times I've played against tactical squad spam they score objectives in the first turn and never again.
>>96786561buncha slack-jawwed astartesian faggots
Saw this at my local, assuming it's intact is it worth picking up? Is it even in scale with other HH shit? I'd basically be picking it up for spare stuff for my 40k army but I figured I would ask here.
>>96786916it is the same scale as the firsborn tactical squad so smaller than nu models, the terminators are still used as the current plastic kit and only the contemptor is actually shit.
>>96786925Thanks for the heads up - I'm used to the HH marines being a bit short so I'll just use a little cork or something to prop them up.What makes the Contemptor out of this shit?
>>96786958NTA the contemptor is quite low detail and monopose. It's servicable enough, but especially compared to the resin contemptor models from FW at the time it looked really bad.
>>96786994Fair enough, if it's serviceable I'll just use it with legends rules whenever. I'm more into the other models anyways, seems like if the box is cheap I'd be getting a pretty good set of stuff.
>>96787065That box set is -amazing- value, locally it caused a large HH playing community to explode into existence pretty much overnight.
Mech bros, what are y'all doing for anti terminator? I've been coasting so far at massacring 3+ saves with krioses and domitars, but I haven't really come up with a solution for cataphractii other than "pin their transport and run away", and I fear that might not be enough once people finish painting their tartaros Terminators they totally always loved and weren't stuffed in a closet all of 2nd.
>>96783096I chose my legion because in 4th edition iron hands could run 6 dreadnoughts and give sergeant terminator armor, and I've played iron hands ever since.
>>96783096I picked my legion (White Scars), because my people, the Tatar, always fought on horse back and back pre 8th ed White Scars could play an army made out of only bike mounted units.
>>96783563Out of america has been debunked
>>96783916Oh really, the nu-heads sit lower down as well on the torso? That explains why they look even smaller.
>>96786994It's easy to repose the gingerbread contemptor, just cut off the torso and twist it, you can also cut off one of the legs and repose.
>>96786916How much is the price? The Calth box was the best deal for Horus heresy back in the day.
>>96782662>>96782786>>96784262Thanks lads. My wash is on, much filthier than I'd normally do but I think the white will benefit from it. Gonna finish modelling my bikes with extra bits in a sec and give them a spray.
>>96787422Aw yeah custom bits anon, those will look sick. I got around to base shading my IH stuff today, the airbrush was being recalcitrant as fk.
>>96783096>nonce artist
>>96787451My airbrush has been misbehaving lately too, fucking thing. I've got some haidate for the thighs on my bikers and some banners and topknots to add on before I get the rattle cans back out
Why use Space Marines as tank operators and as pilots? It feel weird that a super soldier would be used for something that a regular human could preform just as well
>>96787534Except a regular human can't because Space Marines have far superior sight, reflexes and mental acuity, and coordination than a normal human.
>>96780109>If your legion could get a named character model made in plastic, who hasn't already had one in FW resin - who would you pick?Kelbor-hal. He needs tabletop presence.
>>96780288>Otherwise what am I suppose to go go "hunt" GW execs for removing Legion of the Damned after I build the army and doing to Death Wing the stuff they did post 8th ed?Not a bad idea, honestly.
>>96780165Is their official height 7'? I thought it was 7' in armor, and like 6'6" out of it. At a certain point making them taller is just stupid. Primarchs shouldn't have been so tall either.
>>96780109Could the dude who makes the thread put legionbuilder.app in the links? I think it would help a lot of people who are getting into LI.
>>96780535Sweet, are you gonna do Astartes or Aux?
>>96787534Space marines can withstand higher G-forces before passing out, so that already makes them superior pilots for aircraft.
I heard something about a pdf of all the 2nd ed missions converted for 3.0, can anyone hook a brother up?
>>96787534a space marine in an armoured vehicle is actually a lot better than a normal human:>better handling of heavy ammo and parts, maintenance work>better spatial awareness, connects its helmet HUD to the vehicle sensors>better multitasking: comms, driving and shooting several weapons at once>better protection thanks to power armour. Less chance of penetrating hits wounding or killing them, unless something explodes or they're in the path of the attack. They should be impervious to most small fragments and shock. (crew stunned has never made sense for Astartes, IMO)
>>96787671astartes power armor IS the extra armor rule.and another point for your list>astartes vehicle pilots dont count towards codex limits
>>96787625They have artificial gravity in spaceships, I think they have ways to compensate for inertia. It's not like when a voidship accelerates everyone is pinned to the floor like in a rocket.
>>96787671I don't think you understand how destructive anti-armor fire can be to the things inside. Lascannons cause explosions at the point of impact, they'll fuck up an Astartes in a tank.
I painted 40 DG tacticals with both shoulder pads green. But now I noticed that some people only have one of the pouldrons in green and the other in bone. Did I do big error, if both are green?
>>96787683>astartes power armor IS the extra armor ruleeeh, nope. That rule was for the old upgrade kits like pic related>>96787695anon, thanks to recent wars there's a lot of videos out there showing what happens when a tank/APC is hit. Unless ammo or fuel explodes, the crew usually is not killed instantly. And that's just baseline human meatbags.Anyway, vehicle combat in the game is gamey and abstracted to hell. Like, if you actually look at a Predator it should have better AV in the sides than in the front. LRs shouldn't be AV14 in all sides, and so on. Ideally the custom damage tables from 2e should come back to makes things a bit more simulationist and spicy.
>>96787688>Aircraft
>>96787705No, that's the actual DG standard. There are variations like bone with green trim, but mixing them is not an issue.
>>96787711>gamey and abstractedI mean that's impossible to avoid when you have a D6 game system that has a scale range from untrained drafted civilians up to a fucking warlord titan.
So what's actually rusting on the DG power armor?
Last one
>>96787683>astartes vehicle pilots dont count towards codex limitsDepends on the vehicle. Many vehicles (bikes, speeders, rhinos) are piloted by regular company marines. It's often more sophisticated vehicles that have techmarines and adepts piloting them.
>>96787725Plasteel.
>>96787783Why did the DG want their equipment to rust? That'll lead to equipment failure really fast. Unless it's something like corten steel where it's just the outer layer that rusts without damaging the rest.
>>96787790Considering how much they handle all sorts of chemicals, maybe the latter is the case?
>>96787711The protection afforded by sealed armor (whether Astartes power armor or Auxilia void armor) is going to matter much more than an astartes vs. regular human. In other words, a human wearing Auxilia armor would be more durable to this kind of fire than a naked Astartes. >>96787714Many of the aircraft in 30k/40k are spacecraft as well, and regardless the technology could be used for both. Or the pilots could be cybernetically enhanced.
>>96787671Question is, is it (always) worth it? We can put tank crews through a decade of training in all possible ways and cram their tanks full of everything that squeezes every ounce of performance out of them, but is it worth it if you only improve the performance by 10% in certain conditions while doubling the cost of each vehicle? We can't even fall back on "they're space marines, they get the best, no expenses spared" when the fluff is full of stuff how the Imperium has to keep inventing simpler equipment and faster training regimes to keep up with demand. Legions swapping non-essential roles from marines to servitors/auxilia would not be beyond them. In earlier books some Legion vehicles had Space Marine Crew as an upgrade, meaning they didn't have marines operating them stock.>>96787838Another question is, how much does wearing a heavy protective gear inside a cramped tank hinder you operating said vehicle? Everything is a trade-off.
>>96787797Man, the DG are such posers.
>>96787790>>96787797>>96787881They fought with nasty chemicals and in dirty haz zone mortalis war zones. DG were fine with superficial rust, it's in the first black book lore.
>>96787881when your handling toxic stuff you don't have time to clean stuff. your life is already short enough.
>>96787715Thanks. New to HH and DG. Got drawn to them because of the blue eyes and white armour.
>>96787881All space marines are. The obsession with pageantry and narrativization is ubiquitous among them.
Gonna use TTC Omega Blue for AL. Would a black wash work fine or would something else work better to accentuate metallic blue?
>>96788206Would use either a dark blue or purple wash. Save the black wash for the metallic bits.
Damn, White Scars got really popular. I'll have to find more hipster Legion for myself.
>>96788252but anon, they can't score! they can't score, anon! how can they be popular if they can't even score!
>>96788258People who think all WS are joined at the hip to a bike are faggots.
>>96787996Nothing wrong with narrativization. That's the most human thing you could do in that time period.
>>96788225Suppose I could try that. Considered Drakenhof Nightshade for giving silver a bluish tint at one stage but never got to it, thinking that kind of dark blue? Some manner of purple sounds interesting though, will try on a test model as well.
Anyone got a pdf of the forges of saturn book?
>>96788529No.
>>96788529If all you want is the rules then I can find pics of them.
>>96787996this, that's why i love them. stupid stupid guys
>>96787957>DG. Got drawn to them because of the blue eyes and white armour.DG have red eyes . . .
>>96788633I read a store about a DG dude who is totaly mutated and sick save for one perfect blue eye. Visors are blue too. I assume all their eyes are blue.
>>96788715Anon, you may be colorblind. DG eye lenses have always been red
>>96788762Anon, I think he means eye color, as in actual eyes
>>96787422Hit my dreads with wash yesterday.This is what the wash should look like before cleanup.Trust the process.
Not a download, but a pretty good description of what is in the latest paywall. https://www.nunciovox.com/posts/the-forges-of-saturn-new-journal-tactica-leaks
>>96789067>description Buy an ad retard, we already had all the relevant pages leaked
>>96787534If you are puting John Matrix, John Rambo, John McClane and John Wick on a metal box, you want Dominic Toretto on the wheel, not some pencilneck redshirt that will crash into the first 10 mins of the movie.
Post your praetors please.
>>96789258
>>96789263Thanks anon, very cool.
>>96789270Also this guy
>>96789366Hows a praetor with a power axe been working for you? or is it a paragon blade in practice
>>96789391It was a Paragon Blade in 2.0. He's got a combi melta slung over his back. Haven't used him at all this ed because my opponents and I keep cancelling on each other
Played my first game against Vulkan and his gang today. Whoever wrote his rules deserves to be questioned by the Ordo.I knew Salamanders were already top tier, but once they’ve got four Prime troops with FNP and what’s basically a better version of the Iron Warriors’ Rite of War for turn one, even a simple leggionary became hard to kill or status. It felt to me the game was over turn 1 since I was struggling to deal significant damage before they went on an objective (they had 1st turn)That will teach me to play with our guy who says primarchs are "balanced". I now know where all the playtesting went.
I am not looking forwards to painting 20 Tech-Thralls but here are my Mechanicum forces so far.
>>96789726>20 Tech-Thralls
>>96789766It's what I have right now okay.I have 20 thralls and 10 hoplites to do, more thralls may come later.
Would you ever get a Warhammer tattoo?
>>96789852Nah, impossible to pick something without it being kind of cringe.
>>96789852>heretical Baalite tribal juju>mutant primarch>literally a whole extra fortress to lock up the unclean and debased death company lol@IX
>>96789852Depends, is it tasteful or is it like your picture?Although frankly im too paranoid about decisions to get a permanent tatoo
>>96789852I try not the be publicly embarrassing
>>96789895>hypocrisy by imperials>in MY warhammer!???no fucking way
>>96789852It is all cringe, but maybe check the work of darkwizard_berserker
>>96789852No. Dedicating my very flesh to a franchise that can lose my interest as easily as so many others have would be stupid.
>>96787080Domitars don't cut it? If you boost them to BS5 with cybertheurgy, fire and then volley fire you should melt quite a few termies with all that Breaching 5+ D2 grav, and then you get to fire half of it again for free if they charge you. I'm waiting for a squad of three to arrive at the moment, they're great models but they were just miserable for 1st and 2nd so it's nice to have a reason to run some.I've mostly been chipping Cataphractii down with Krioae of both types and sometimes Vultarax rockets if I have no more vehicles to plink, although I haven't been fighting any big termie deathstars that haven't immediately eaten shit from Karacnos Pinning (3) or allied unit anti-TEQ. Turns out Death Guard tacsups with 10 alchem-flamers do a surprising amount of damage to termies just with weight of saves.>>96786561The Krios gun is a wonderful thing, I love that pie plate. Currently running 2x Venator 1x stock, but I'm tempted to round that out to 2 and 2.Are your Domitars terrorising people that badly? They're mean area denial, but their range is short compared to the other two units mentioned.
>>96789852I'm just saying there were an awful lot of people with Lost Prophets tattoos out there about 15 years ago
>>96789852I wouldn't get a tattoo in general, but I sure as hell wouldn't get any form of Space Marine tattoo.
>>96790576Kek, forgot about that story.
>>96790576it sounds like bloodbro won here>>96790384yesterday i saw someone with a freshly sanitized dominos (pizza) tattoo in full color covering his entire cheek. grim shit
>>96789852I have a shitty one of the Blood Angels Insignia done by a friend I don't talk to anymore after they chose to be a shitbag. I still like it because the Blood Angels will always be awesome, and anyone who disagrees is a faggot.
Are Jump Packs as interchangeable as a Bolter, or are the individual patterns only for specific Armor marks?
>>96790651>Are Jump Packs as interchangeableYes. Backpacks too, as they're not beholden to an armour mark, but their own patterns (pic related). We know of at least Serpha-V/Sol-Harrier ("MkII"), Phaeton pattern heavy lift ("MkIV"), and Mark 7 Mars/Valkyris/Type 12 ("40k"). "MkV" jump packs and the various legion specific unit ones have not been given names. We've seen different marks using different jump packs and even backpacks (MkIV used to come with Phaeton backpacks until they were given upgrade 2e backpacks (identified as Mark IV in 3e rulebook). Various heavy weapons used to come with their own backpacks, interchangeable across all marks.
>>96789852>That one porn actress who has a Tyranid womb tattoo.
>>96790651Pretty much. Anvillus pattern power pack can be added to any armor, I think.>upscaled mkV never ever>no idea how mkV jump packs are even supposed to look
>>96790753Wait the what now
>>96790787OF chick who does giant monster dildo insertion has a tyranid themed womb tat. Yazzkul I think.
>>96790787https://coomer.st/onlyfans/user/pinkhivequeen
>>96790651>>96790750While the socket used by space marine backpacks is supposed to be compatible all the way to primaris, the backpacks were also released along certain armour marks. Like the original Mars one used by MkII and MKIII.The mkIV backpack was the default model used in MkIV onwards until M36-7 when it began to be replaced with the one currently seen in 40k tacticals.Phaeton was an offshot backpack used mostly in mkV and MKI suits, also based in MKVI tech themselves The jump packs are another matter, but they usually were modified or based in the regualr backpack models. There's pretty much a jp variant for each one.>no idea how mkV jump packs are even supposed to looklike pic related, it's based in the same Phaeton design
>>96790781Anon you could probably find someone willing to make you some MKV from 3d Printing.
>>96790797>>96790853
>>96790781>>96790898https://gofile.io/d/2uRzvpbreachers, tactical and assault
>tfw 30k has looped back around to parking lots
>>96791924No wonder with that terrain, Jesus I understand wamting to play with the new toy but you couldn't put down a building or ruin in the middle?
>>96791924Those gun lines seem awfully open.
>>96791924preferred enemy (unpainted)
>>96792158friggin cool dude
>>96791924is there even a SoH tank there that the fellblade won't onebang?nice retro bunkers tho
>>96789852on me? noon your face? don't fall asleepdon't fall asleep
>>96789067Retard. We already had those leaks. Unless you actually managed to get your hands on the actual book shut yo bitch ass upIt doesn't matter it is a bunch of screenshots taken with your iphone 4, but wait until you have actual content. Your dumb ass is giving false positives to my poor scrapper bots
>>96792712yeah, a fellblade doesnt even come close to killing a kratos at all.
>>96789258I still run mine equipped with both a power fist and paragon blade
>>96792801what a handsome lad
Currently have most of a Death Guard army painted up, 2k out of 3k. I've got 40 tacticals, 20 HSS marines (10 autocannons, 5 lascannon, 5 missile launcher), a Preator and command squad in land raider, a contemptor, and some apothecaries + a tech marine.Think I'm going to add 2 Inductii squads in Mk6 armour with rhinos. Have it so the -true- great crusade era legionaries march in 15-20 man squads while the new guys get the usually eschewed vehicles. Should I get some Sabres and Javelins to add more damage into my list? Or should I just lean even heavier into infantry?
>>96793419You might enjoy a ten-alchem-flamer squad of some kind, either regular TSS or the DG unique destroyers. They're fairly cheap and they can absolutely murder people when 10-12 Poison 2+ flamer templates pop out of a rhino and score 50+ hits on a squad. Otherwise, I think you definitely need some anti-tank, probably of larger caliber than Sabres and Javelins can provide. Multimelta squads in transports are pretty good for DG because you can disembark, fire while benefitting from Heavy and then React back into the box, as are Dreads that can shoot and scoot their heavy guns, but there are also always Rapiers.
>>96789258Forever and always
>>96793419>You might enjoy a ten-alchem-flamer squad of some kindYee, that's what the Inductii are for. Not as potent as a full squad, but 3 Alchem flamers (1 per 5 dudes and a combi on the sgt) coming out of a Rhino and having line sounds fun.>I think you definitely need some anti-tankThis is what I am worried about. 10 man auto cannon squad has a siege breaker for sunder (worth mentioning my group is still using 2nd ed) which can kill a vehicle per turn a lot of the time. Was going to use my fast attack slots for 2 Javelins w/ lascannons and meltas in separate units, and then a squadron of 2 Sabres with an undecided loadout. Pic rel is the big brother to my 10 man Autocannon squad, he protects them from enterprising melee units (and has an autocannon to match their own fire)
>>96791924> Playing in a GWYikes
>>96793505Oh, you're in second edition, never mind, most of that advice was irrelevant. Javelins probably do adequately, then. I still like the full wall of flamers, since a full squad of 10+ can force so many saves that Terminator units will evaporate before they reach you just from eating a full round of fire and then Overwatch, but the Inductii aren't bad.
>>96793590>most of that advice was irrelevant.Don't worry anon, I do plan to move to 3rd eventually. I am saving the advice regardless with keen interest.
>>96787739I think I've seen you using those Grand Cathay bits before. How well do the weapons and stuff fit on space marines? Been thinking about ways to customize a WS force, but I don't have access to a 3D printer. The GC stuff looks pretty cool though and similar enough thematically.
>>96793625I haven't got a lot of DG games in this edition but I am eagerly eying up 3e transports for them. Remounting with reactions means you can make a shooty squad in something like an outflanking LR sans Assault Ramp absurdly sticky with good placement, since you can use the transport itself as a giant LOS blocker and if they move close to you to shoot/charge you just hit Reposition and get back in the box. Makes your HSS way more durable, and DG are basically the only army that can use Heavy weapons that way.
>>96789258Needs some minor touch ups but leviathan to make up for it
Anyone got a link to the Black Books? Other than those Beta Garmon is the only real source of blackshield images right?
>>96793824FAITHFVL
>>96793808>DG>transportsYou stand fucking terran?
>>96793672I think they will fit just fine, also those plumes would look cool on cataphractii
>>96793920Why aren't you plumemaxxing anon?
>>96793913Amazingly, they're 3e's best mechanised infantry, which is about as out-of-character as White Scars buffs working best on Terminators and other slow things because bikes don't need it. My army is Istvaan III Traitors, so I'm going off the pile of land raiders they squished the Choral City with.
Quarter of the way through, it's okay so far.
>>96793936Any big changes from established fluff apart from all the Saturnine present?
>>96789852No tattoos are cringe
>>96793981commas are important
If I mostly have a Centurion around just to provide the two extra detachments, what should he actually do in-game if there's nothing like an extra melee unit for him to join? Babysitting a ranged unit at the back? Just trying to decide how to kit mine out or if he should be replaced with two HQs who might provide more use.
>>96793959100 pages in and so far nope. Horus having a call with Alpharius while Omegon is in the room has been the standout moment. They keep continuing each others sentences and using hand signals to communicate while Horus thinks he's just talking to Alpharius.Omegon says the phrase "realm of chaos" too
>>96793984I haz no, grammar?? Also you no big letter first.
>>96794001Wait what, is this the first time that's officially confirmed the existence of omegon outside of alpha legion bullshit "maybe he's real, maybe it's a false flag?"
God damn, why are Ebon Keshig STLs so hard to find? Best I've managed is a half cataphractii set or a set that's the same model just with different arm poses.
>>96794001Gib more spoilers llease!
You lied to me. The Russ's fight with Horus at Trisolian did matter.
>>96794082Source on that pic?
>>96794139Liber Astartes 3.0.
His name is Torg.
>>96794162Thanks, it looked much older to me but I haven't read liber 3.0
>>96794167I also finished a bunch of RG recently.
Built a unit of thallax, 4 praetorians and 2 multi meltas to give me a nice 4 full 9 man units with 3 special wespons and a praetorian each. Now I only have one more box of ursarax to build to have built all of the models for my mechanicum. Painting on the other hand...
>>96791546What proonter do you use? 3dpg guide is outdated by now
>>96794017Alpharius dies in Paetorian of Dorn
>>96794167What clan is Torg? :)
>>96793672NTA, but the cav spears, shields, and flags are usable- the plumes are too big except for use on dreadnoughts.The infantry plumes are much better scaled.
>>96794082it affected the war so unfathomably that we still can't fathom how it mattered
>>96794048Opens with Dorn, Malcador, Valdor and Krole seeing Horus declare his rebellion and them deciding to immediately retaliate.We see a Raven Guard astropath deliver the message from Terra directly to Corax. He wants to believe it is a false message but quickly realises it's true. He sends a reconnaissance ship to the Isstvan system and they are the ones that discover the traitors are still on Isstvan V.We follow Kharn recovering from death on Isstvan III. His teeth clack regularly and his right side is often numb. He doesn't wear power armour because he can't, following his deaththe nerves in his body won't connect to the neural connections in the armour. Angron is stalking around being a loner as usual. Kharn summons him to a meeting with all four primarchs. As Fulgrim explains the plan for the other legions tobackstab the loyal three Angron bursts out that it is a vile betrayal. He wants them to all announce their loyalties and fight head on with honour. He moves to attack Fulgrim after Fulgrim mocks him but Mortarion tanks the charge without moving and gets Angron to stand still. Horus interjects to calm them by agreeing with Angron to placate himbut of course backing Fulgrim's plan. Angron storms out of the meeting and the rest drift away after that. Maloghurst gets a nod from Horus to take care of the situation. Mal gets Abbadon to go talk with Kharn in the hope Kharn can keep Angron from any communication equipment. Once the room only has Mal and Horus left they have a talk. Mal is quick to tell Horus that the group is falling apart, he recommends that the forces be split up but Horus is quick to shut the idea down.Following their talk Horus arranges to talk with Alpharius through the Davinite priests. They use an astropath who gets possessed to talk with Alpharius.
>>96794255Ingo Pech is in the room with Alpharius and Omegon when their astropath is possessed so that Horus can talk with them. Horus believes he is just talking to Alpharius but Omegon is able to continue speaking right after Alpharius without Horus noticing. The three-way conversation continues with the silent primarch using hand signals to communicate with the speaking one while Horus asks them to begin manipulating Ferrus into attacking as soon as possible. The primarchs give the task to Pech to arrange and Omegon name drops, 'it is a realm of chaos out there now...'.An Alpha Legion remembrancer agent sabotages a void harbour with a toxic gas that makes every person who inhales it go into an uncontrollable psychic blowout.Vulkan sends out a message urging the loyalists to not act in haste but is ignored and everyone that can is told to gather at Beta Garmon. Ferrus and Corax have a series of messages back and forth where Corax keeps wondering why Horus has turned. Ferrus doesn't care, he only wants to go kill him as quick as possible.Abbadon goes to meet Kharn in a duelling ring without his terminator armour. Kharn is still in awful shape so Abbadon beats him handily while talking about how Kharn isn't his usual self. Abbadon tells Kharn he must stop Angron from doing anything to disrupt their plans. Kharn is angry since he's feeling so useless and gets a burst of rage leading to him pouncing on Abbadon and puncing him a lot. Abbadon pushes him off and they have a stare down. Then Kharn grins and says they can now talk properly. Kharn at first says he can't help but Abbadon does convince him that restraining Angron is the best course of action.Next we see Kharn searching for Angron and come across Kargos setting red butchers into the ground inside of pods. Laying a trap for the coming battle. He is told to search for Angron near the Emperor's Children zone of control.
>>96794260Mal and Abbadon have a talk and even Abbadon can see things are straining between the legions already.We cut to an Emperor's Children legionnaire who has cut up a World Eater during the night and is dragging his corpse to Fabius Bile as payment. The guy is already lost to noise sensations.Kharn finds what is left of the cut up marine and wants to feel rage but still only feels numb. He worries Angron will find out and want to deal with this himself.Mal takes a walk around the bases and goes from the Sons of Horus base to the World Eaters base. The lack of a sentry in the WE base doesn't surprise him. He goes from the WE base into a medial zone where all the normal humans stay. They have locked the door to the WE base and pointed weapon servitors at it because of past 'troubles'. Then Mal receives a message from Fulgrim to meet him as he has prepared a weapon to gift to Horus.(will continue later)
>>96793672Swords and shields and things work well, banners, accessories all hang nicely
>>96794263Thanks. Will be waiting.
>>96794263Quite interesting stuff, might actually get the ebup when somebody posts it :^)
>>96794260I'm glad that Angron remains a tard
Getting my Aux infantry on bases for LI. The Deathless scheme stands out great against lava rock.
>>96794253I hope FW will describe it in later books.
>>96783096What mental illness do the Salamanders, Blood Angels and Imperial Fists have?
>>96794431>Salamanders Pyromania>Blood AngelsAnger issues>Imperial Fists Masochism, autism
>>96794431Imperial Fists are high-functioning psychopaths, Blood Angels are psychotic/schizotypal, and Salamanders have anger issues combined with the worst cases of psoriasis I've ever seen.
>>96780109Hey fa/tg/guys, hel me understand this rule.How can a weapon be shock(pinned) rule? You shock and pin a target on a 6? Or you can only shock a pinned enemy?Is the graviton shredder still good against vehicles?
>>96794444>>Salamanders>PyromaniaEh feels a little too surface level. Because from reading the Black Books they seem like the most well adjusted legion with the Ultramarines in close second
How to pick a legionWant to be a brutal loyalist combined arms but leaning shooty legionStuck between Dark Angels, Imperial Fists, & Iron Hands
>>96794528In 2.0 Imperial Fists are probably the best shooty army, but yellow is a bitch to paint.
My favorite part of LI is when the game goes to round 5 and it's still up in the air, and you're both fighting for points with a fraction of what you had at the start.
>>96794528Imperial Fists have too much of a noble streak to them, so that already narrows it down to 2. Also painting yellow sucks. So, would you prefer>Angry cyborg marines outraged their dad got himself killed, and making it everybody's problemor>Angry medieval knight marines who autistically hyper-focus on completely eradicating their enemies
>>96794633actually 4 turns game are superior. 4th edition will have 3 turn games I can't wait!
>>96794685Actually, I would say the game needs to be only 2 turns. Since HH 1.0 every game has been decided at the end of turn 2, either because one side is entirely dead or because of the VP difference. There is never a reason to play beyond those two turns.
>>96794602I was leaning Imperial Fists already as they seem the least gimmicky with their theme but yeah, painting yellow is putting me off.I've seen some schemes that look awesome with lots of heraldry but don't trust myself to pull that off.>>96794643Iron Hands seems more the vibe I want in terms of how they fight & their rules but feel like I'm not really doing them justice unless I get a lot of cybernitc/bionic bits to deck them out & already built a lot of my army.If it helps I've already decided on the core of my force & built half of it.We have:>20 tactical beaky marines>20 Seekers (might also run them as Tactical Veterans)>10 Cataphractii w/ Powerfists + a Spartan>5 Tartaros Siege terminators w/ Plasma Blasters + a Warmonger to deepstrike>Mortificator + 3 Contemptor dreads>Master of Signals + Command and Control SquadGonna add some kind of turrets, either Quad, Tarantula, or Rapier
>>96794218Why the crests?
>>96790384Just have it removed.
>>96794740>painting yellow is putting me offIt's a bitch but with practice you'll pull it off. I encourage to get a white primer and a yellow contrast paint since it'll make the process a lot easier
>>96794740>a lot of cybernitc/bionic bitsYou don't need that many, one of the old IH legionary kits from a recaster would be enough to sprinkle throughout a sizeable army. Tactical marines only need one gauntlet to be painted silver remember, it's only high ranking members of the IH that are increasingly covered in bionics. The IH legion trait is also very strong for dreadnoughts, so with three contemptors that would fit very well for the collection you already have.
>>96794263Appius Calpurnius, the EC marine who wanted more surgery from Fabius awakes in his lab. He realises Fabius intends to use him for something else and wants to scream but Fabius has taken away his mouth. Fabius lets Dark Mechanicum tech priests continue the more advanced surgery to Appius. Following the surgery his hearing has been further enhanced but in a way useful to the coming battle.We cut back to Mal still walking around the medial zone, he starts to notice fetishes of crows, serpents and bones amongst the human soldiers. He also sees the spiral symbol and wonders how it spread here when he makes sure the Davinites have no contact with the human troops. He continues his journey into a cavern and stops to stare at the titans of Legio Mortis standing still in the darkness. A princeps called Aruken comes to meet Mal and Mal notices how change has spread quickly, the princeps is a wasted figure almost skeletal whose face is gone, replaced by a crumpled skull with a speaker grill. Cables replace his eyes and connect to servo skulls.Next Mal goes to the EC zone and is met alone by Fulgrim. For the entire walk Mal experiences extreme discomfort being around Fulgrim. Mal comments on how none of the EC marines are around and there have been reports of them not doing their tasks as well as other reports of them doing much viler things. This leads to an argument when Mal asks if the EC are still a viable fighting force, to which Fulgrim counters that Horus should be more worried about the WE and Angron. As Fulgrim calms down he repeatedly tries to convince Mal that Angron is a mad dog who should be killed and knows Horus doesn't have the stomach to do it but if Angron tries to attack him again he tells Mal he will kill him.They reach Fabius' lab and enter to see the new weapon. It is Appius, he has been transformed into a being capable of singlehandedly disrupting the attackers vox network.
>>96794528Either of those can work, but mind that DA don't have a good legion rule in 3.0 and rely more on unique detachments and units to squeeze extra leverage where possible.
>>96794938Next Mal leaves the EC zone to visit the Death Guard zone. It is an entire zone of trenches with almost no elevated fortifications unlike all the other zones. Underneath the zone networks of tunnels have been dug by Mortation's command, just in case the loyalists virus bomb them. As Mal steps into a gun emplacement to survey the Urgall Depression Mortarion appears behind him and confronts him. Mal is shocked and has no idea what to expect but Mortarion blurts out that they are using the Davinites powers too much. Mal explains how they are necessary to enable secret communications and disrupt warp travel. Mortarion tells Mal that he won't allow Horus to become a tyrant, and he tells Mal to reject the Davinites and remove them. Mortarion sees Mal as the string puller responsible for them in Horus' shadow. He threatens Mal that there is nothing he won't do if Mal continues to use them. When Mortarion leaves Mal gazes at the stars and wishes for Ferrus to arrive soon.Next we follow Ferrus and his commanders onboard the Ferrum. Rather than say Horus they use the term Principal Traitor. Ferrus tells how he has taken command of all forces in the area and sent word back to Terra to which Dorn has agreed on behalf of The Emperor. They all watch a holo projection of Isstvan V and Ferrus wonders why Horus is waiting there. Castrmen Orth realises he is expecting their assault and says it to Ferrus to which Ferrus agrees. They use the holo to look at the Urgall Depression and know Horus wants them to attack. They predict that Horus will attack them in the back once they begin their assault and that is why none of the traitor legion fleets are at Isstvan V. When Ferrus asks what his commanders propose to do as a solution, mass bombardment is offered by Ruuman but shot down by Belog as they would have to go down to root out the marines anyway. Orth says to attack as swift as possible, end the fight on the ground and then turn around to fight whatever is behind them.
>>96794949Next we see the galaxy map in this area reveal the nearby forces for Ferrus to command. And then the 'loyal' primarchs engage in astropathic messaging. Lorgar is first to message Ferrus and agrees they must attack as quickly as possible. Ferrus asks Alpharius if he has elements within the traitor legions to which he gets a reply that they have all been 'rooted out'.Corax messages Ferrus that he desperately needs to have a talk with him before they commit to anything. Next Perturabo messages that he is ready to comply with all orders. Lorgar again messages that they can't show restraint and must kill everyone on Isstvan V. Next Alpharius (maybe) messages Corax that Horus is baiting their attack and he recommends that they instead blockade and siege Isstvan V. He knows Corax is closer to Ferrus than him so he asks him to please get Ferrus to stop his rash attack.Following that Alpharius (maybe) messages Ferrus directly telling him that the plan for the direct assault is a terrible idea and he instead recommends blockading and sieging Isstvan V. He tells Ferrus that if they kill Horus it could make him a martyr and lead to further rebellion. Ferrus won't listen, he replies that the direct assault will happen.Corax tries to message Vulkan as he believes he could calm Ferrus somewhat but he can't get a message through to him. Corax tells Alpharius that he can't get a message to Vulkan and asks him if something has befallen Vulkan to which Alpharius tells him that he has heard nothing.Then Corax messages Ferrus asking Vulkan is.Finally the delayed message Vulkan sent earlier is received but the plan is already set and Ferrus won't deviate. Vulkan tries to tell him that even though they are traitors they are still their brothers and Vulkan can't forget that so quickly. Ferrus simply replies he is glad to have Vulkan by his side.
>>96793936Post the dramatis personae of both books. I mean if you went out of your way to grab a copy of Wraight's latest banger from the factory you might as well throw us some teasers, it'd be an actual waste not to.
>>96794969Corax and Vulkan have an exchange where they both wonder if perhaps they are wrong to care so much about not wanting to kill the traitors and maybe they should be more like Ferrus in his pure rage.Next a human fleet and some solar auxila receive word that they will be amongst the first to enter combat at Isstvan V due to how close they are to the system.We see Cassian Draco wake from his slumber and be placed in a dreadnought, he reminisces about a moment he had with Horus then opens his eyes to see Vulkan before him. Vulkan asks him how he would serve the legion now to which he replies he would serve in battle.Aboard the Shadow of the Emperor, Alvarex Maun is in Corax's chamber. He watches a memento mori clock tick before Corax appears in the room. As the legion master of descent Corax asks him if it is possible to drop the entire legion within 100 minutes of arriving at Isstvan V. Maun is shocked and says it's impossible but Corax knows he's thinking about how to accomplish it. Finally Maun says it can be done and he will do it. Also aboard the ship Kades Nex prepares for the coming fight by going against kill-servitors in a training deck. He has no orders and nobody is commanding him, he just knows that Corax wants him to descend and murder the ranking officers of the Sons of Horus.Finally the fleets arrive at Isstvan V and immediately proclaim that they have come to war.
>>96794983I will.>>96794984As the words are spoken we see them repeated at a meeting on the planet as the traitors have access to the loyalist communications thanks to the Alpha Legion. Horus gives a speech about how the moment has finally arrived where they will enlighten their former brothers that the Emperor is the true traitor and Horus and his fellows are simply fighting against a great lie.Just as his speech ends to shouts of 'Lupercal' a Justaerin door guard is sent flying backwards. Angron enters in a rage shouting how he knows Horus is silencing him. He says how his legions astropaths have all been taken to which Mal says they are needed. In a blink Angron is before him and tells him if he says one more word he will die. Horus cuts in to tell Angron that there can be no word to the loyalists and he will not allow Angron to ruin things now. Angron roars that actions are what matter and honour needs no explanation. To this Mortarion says he is the tyrant son of a king. He calls Angron a selfish child. Angron stands transfixed and silent. Mortarion leaves the room, while Horus stands still staring at Angron. Finally Angron leaves quickly and Mal turns to Kharn to tell him to follow him. As Kharn tries to find Angron his mouth clacks open and closed, getting stuck often so he can hardly speak. He finds a trail of meat and body parts leading to the EC command zone. He follows the trail into a trench which has a secret tunnel entrance, he realises that all the time Angron spent outside was not him daydreaming and staring at the sky but finding routes and forming plans on how to get into the central vox station.
>>96795001We cut to the Shadow of the Emperor again with Maun being by Corax's side as he armours. Corax tells him t stay as he wants a witness and then begins a vox communication with Ferrus and Vulkan who appear as holos in the room. Ferrus informs them that the countdown to the attack has begun and only small incremental changes can be made. Vulkan and Corax both try to start a conversation with him but are unsuccessful until Corax asks should they do this which has Ferrus' head shoot up in rage.Kharn descends the tunnel finding dismembered EC marines as he goes, his only weapon is a seax. Kharn finds Angron just outside the blast doors to the vox station, surrounded by hunks of meat that he guesses were EC marines. Kharn struggles to get the words out but tells Angron he can't do this, he is immediately sent flying through the air by a backhand. He lands hard in a bloody heap and raises his seax to the air just in time to meet Angrons chainaxe. Angron shouts at him, insulting him, Kharn realises Angron is holding back as he could easily force his axe right into Kharn.Then Horus enters in full armour wielding Worldbreaker.He tells Angron no message will be sent. Angron tells him this is wrong. Horus simply replies words mean nothing and only actions matter, using Angron's words against him. Angron is surprised and simply says 'Horus...' to which Horus replies 'No more words, brother'. And attacks him.
>>96794464Maybe this will help you anon
>>96794722All is going to the point that you meet your opponent, roll off who wins, shake your hands and go drink a beer.
>>96794943People at the LGS are still bitching and moaning about how broken my Deathwing Companions are, my DA have been doing fine. Want to build a squad of knight cenobium and introduce them to volley fire plasma flamers next.
We cut back to the conversation between Corax, Ferrus and Vulkan. Ferrus asks if they think that nothing should be done. Corax simply says that he thinks they should talk about what they are doing. The order from Terra is to end the rebellion and bring Horus back, they are asking Ferrus if committing a massacre is the right way to do that. Vulkan and Corax both recommend restraint. Vulkan recommends to encircle them and blockade them when Ferrus asks what he would do. Ferrus knows it would not work as Horus would never surrender. Corax and Vulkan both believe that the reason Ferrus is so angry is because he has a personal vendetta.Next it cuts back to Kharn feeling transhuman dread as he sees Angron and Horus fight. Horus is a relentless attacker, always putting Angron back. Angron kicks chest eye Horus has and shatters it, Horus smashes Angron with his mace in return. Angron asks why he is never given a choice to which Horus tells him you are never given them, you make them. Angron attacks with his axes but the blows don't land. Horus drops Worldbreaker to grab one of the axes and uses his claws to slice the chain on the other axe letting him twist it out of Angron's hand and use it himself. He shows Angron he could have killed him then and there. As they face each other axe to axe Horus asks him what his choice will be.The three-way conversation continues as Corax explains he does want to kill Horus but not out of shame. They know that Fulgrim tried to recruit Ferrus and that is why he is in such a rage that the traitors thought he was similar to them in any way. Vulkan and Corax both tell him that he has no reason to rage at himself as they know he has always been loyal. He thanks them for their trust and words but still persists with the plan, he explains how the rebellion must be ended now or it will persist and be never ending. He tells them to say if he is wrong but they both agree that with all they know this does seem to be the only choice they have.
>>96794464Have you tried reading the rules?
>>96794969>Alpharius using reverse psychology on Ferrus
>>96795036Angron shouts that he will never submit and goads Horus to kill him and end it. Instead Horus replies no and steps back. He explains to Angron that the only chain on Angron is the one that the Emperor placed around his neck. He says how he wanted to fight the war with honour but because of the Emperor they cannot. He tells Angron all the things Angron wants to hear. He tells him how he won't find freedom in his own death but in the death of the Emperor he will find freedom perhaps. Angron agrees slowly and begins to wind the chains of his axe around his wrist again. He wants to begin.(to be continued)
>>96794984>Cassian Draco>Kades NexDamn, some rarely used characters actually getting mentioned.
>>96795057I don't get why Khârn is getting so much focus in an Isstvan V novel. Is it just because he's the Wolverine of HH?
>>96795083He's been mostly useless for it so far, just to show him being weak I guess? I would really say it's a Maloghurst/Corax/Khârn book so far.
>>96795083Same reason any character is shoehorned anywhere. Fan service. Nerd brains going "hey it's that guy I know, awesome!"
From the sound of it the EC aren't very involved in the story beyond Fabius turning out a new plot device. A little disappointing but I suppose I get it, their part (or really just Fulgrim's) was covered by McNeill.
>>96795022Yeah the unique units look great and/or fun, they'd be the second legion I'd consider building for a future project. Do you take power or terminator armor companions?
>>96794082>bit his dick offclassic russ
>>96795188Unironicaly I want a book about it.
>>96794464>How can a weapon be shock(pinned) rule?Shock(X) means that a weapon applies X status effect on a 5+ to hit (or I guess a singular roll, like with overload, for template weapons). Shock(pinning) means that on a 5+ to hit the vehicle target is automatically pinned besides any other effects and regardless of armor penetration.
>>96795195It exists and it's shite.
>>96795258I've read it. It's filler and nothingburger. I want FW book about thst fight and consequences of Horus' wound.
>>96794984This makes Kaedes Nex look cool, unironically. I could see some Astartes developing their own little techniques to get the drop in close quarters combat.
>>96795508There's a part in Deliverance Lost where an Alpha Legion infiltrator accidentally teaches some Raven Guard CQC techniques
>>96794760Thallax Praetorians, the new optional sergeants
i regret not getting the custodes combat patrol with the sisters of silence in it.
>>96795143Power armour, because you can fit 10 plus characters in a land raider. The terminator companions also only come in squads of five, that's too few attacks to make proper use of terranic greatswords.
>>96795542Looks cool, thanks anon
>>96795752The very mention of SoS annoys me how shafted they got in 3.0
>>96795879Dude, SoS have been getting shafted since they stopped getting models after black book 7. The sheer level of neglect has been criminal.
>>96795907I mean ruleswise, in 2.0 the SoS had quite a lot of addition and wargear options that got squatted in 3.0
>>96795907>stopped >implying they got literally anything other than a character, a transport, and 1 unit
>>96795396There aren't any. Just because someone says something doesn't mean it's true.
>>96795958Shame.
>>96795950Rules wise, yes. They had a few awesome units like melta dogs.
>>96794969All too easy
>>96793925>40k custodes terminators got plumes>30k custodes terminators got plumes>no legion terminators got plumesNot having plumes on terminators should be an automatic forfeit.
>>96795258It's a pretty good book about the Mechanicum that also has Space Wolves in it for some reason, I'll give it that much.
>>96796428I don't even remember the mechanicum in that book, what was their plot?
>>96796442Young Cawl, who is a much better character than old Cawl, is studying for his beepboop PHD when the war breaks out. He helps some Myrmidons and Thallax kill some Night Lords, his boss declares for the traitors, he does assorted sneaky stuff and eventually kills her off + steals her memory core for later use before skipping town in the chaotic aftermath of the Wolves raiding the system.Nothing particularly groundbreaking about it, but it's decently written, includes a couple of incredibly rare Mechanicum Ws and has a lot of fun internal political shuffling.
>>96796474Young Cawl was actually a kind of interesting character. Unlike the mary sue 40k Cawl is.
>>96795057Is there any good saturnine bolter porn?
>>96790797>>96790853YJK
>>96796840No, saturnine didn't officially exist until 3.0 launched. It got retconned in.
>>96796996Ok and? This book was made with 3.0 in mind and includes Saturnine
>>96795057>Ferrus Manus>Castrmen OrthWhere are all the Iron Hands who were supposed to die in the book?
>>96797016NTA, but books take a while to write. Entirely likely the idea of "let's start making tactical journals, starting with going back to istvaan" and "let's reintroduce Saturnine as a new terminator armor" were originally 2 separate projects forcefully merged for a new edition launch.
Plastic Javelin when?
>>96796280Indeed
>>96796474>>96796548Cawl was a mistake, primaris was a mistake.
>>96786176
>>96797521I think even GW has come to that realisation. The latest pr*marines are starting to look increasingly like classic marines, heck the upcoming UM characters are almost exact copies of the old models when it comes to details.
>>96797680They're differentiating them to sell more just like they did with old marines. It's been like 8 years since primaris first came out, they're obviously the new standard.
>>96797521>>96797680The moment I heard that the "reason" they were larger was because primaris in the fluff were a foot taller than standard marines, I knew GW were too stupid to pull this off. I knew it would be a decade of failure and gnashing of teeth. And here we are, just waiting for them to press the inevitable button for an M36/Badab era rulebook with all the classic marine units so primaris can finally be 100% contained to its abandonware moba edition.
>>96796280>No legion terminators got plumes
>>96797790>have to break their topknots to look upWhy are Cthonians like this?
>>96797873looking up is for fags like corax
>>96797873They are springy, dont worry about it
>>96797764yeah, but i think at the moment GW doesn't even know what the hell to do with primaris anymore they can't even make chaos versions of them
>>96797873No need to look up the enemy is in front of you.
>>96797873You think those are bad? You should see what Leraean are rocking...
>>96797918They fucked themselves long term in the pursuit of short term gains per typical corporate idiocy. Hang the C-level executives and form a ruling committee of the biggest nerds still left.
>>96797764>the "reason" they were larger was because primaris in the fluff were a foot taller than standard marinesWhich is retarded. Being taller is not really a good thing in the context of what Astartes do.
>>96798040Fabius has been trying to make Bigger Marines for 10000 years
>>96798157Fabius is definitely gay though, it's a sex thing for him, it's not about practicality.
>>96798278He's looking to create somethung that can fill his stretched out hole, he was last seen taking Hierophant Bio Titan samples
>>96797565Those are amazing! Are they prints? Thanks for the picture, I would love to add them to an army I am building.
>>96798157I don't really understand how he hasn't come up with something at this point, even if it's not very good youd think he'd commit to one project just so he has something to show for it.
>>96798419>I don't understand why -traitor character- is unsuccessful
>>96798419He has the nu-men doesn't he? I haven't kept up with 40k fluff for a lot but I recall seeing a warband of them getting kitbashed in /wip/.
>>96798157Not bigger marines. Better marines.
>>96798419Because the warhammer setting is intentionally retarded and you're not supposed to think deeply about it, the same reason we're supposed to believe the incredibly weakened mechanicus post heresy is the reason why every first founding chapter, the very same organizations who are willing to go up against the high lords of Terra and inquisition, refused to put lascannons in the Predator turrets until the space wolves figured it out again 600 years post heresy.
>>96798419Fabius has made perfect Primarch clones. He probably would have achieved something incredible, if he wasn't such a psychotically insane mad scientist.
>>96798509Bigger is better.
>>96798742>>96798742>>96798742
>>96797790Those are top knots on the helmet, not on the back of the terminator.
