KILL THE SOUTHERNERS edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>96793070>TQ:Which kits are you hoping are redone next?
>>96800657High Elf archers and spearmen are awful and need to be redone yesterday.
Estalia could NEVER work as an army! They have nothing unique about them, no interesting troops. Prove me wrong. You can't!
>TQI mean, Tomb King infantry should've gotten the refresh from the start, as well as knights of the realm for Bretonnia, but seeing as WoC already got scammed, then might as well right?My personal hope is empire state troops and imperial kngiths though.
>>96800657
>>96800657>TQHonestly anything from orcs and goblins would probably do pretty well with an update. You could probably pick anything that isn’t a character and it be justified
>>96800724>Boxes are in complete disarray>Weapons just left there without a care>Didn't even bother to clean up the skull on the barrel, or at least hang it with the othersGod dammit Aelfric, just look how tidy the neighbor's front lawn looks in comparison!
>>96800724Where does the smoke from the firepit go? Maybe that's why some of them are black
>>96800657>TQCentigors, pestigors (I'll take any mono-god beastmen stuff, honestly), Settra, chofts, big 'uns, anvil of doom, imperial dwarfs/ogres, Bugman's cart, and Juan Diaz's daemonettes[/spoilers]. I'd be happy to see any one of those.
>>96798707People like you are so fucking annoying because you live in an uninformed pocket of anti-reality, making brainheaded impossible observations.GW kits are designed multiple years in advance of release. They go into physical production like ~1 year before release. These are reality.If "the design direction has shifted for TOW" that shift occurred literally years ago. BEFORE ANY OF THE PRODUCTS YOU'RE COMPARING THE MARAUDERS TO EVEN RELEASED.Get a brain, moran.
>>96800792It was actually pretty common in the Middle Ages and even up until the modern period in some remote parts of northern Europe like rural Scandinavia and the Scottish Highlands, people just let the smoke fill up thier homes.
I think this new release is the best chance we've had to get Fimir, it feels a very Cottrell release.
>>96800821It helped them sleep :)
Would it have been so hard to make the models like this instead?
>>96800821>my ancestors gave me brain damage
>>96800685they should just make it fantasy Spain, give them a strong centralised goverment but have them all hate eachother. Then give them pikes and less guns to differentiate them from the empire.desu they could work as their own list but not their own army and I dont believe GW capable of making a Tercio kit.
>>96800657Thread Themehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdxRdriRCbw&list=RDLdxRdriRCbw&start_radio=1
>>96800792Norsemen haven't invented fire yet
>>96800856Naked nordic barbarians is a retarded concept, the revamp is perfect.
>>96800792usually in triangular abodes like this there's a triangular hole at the back of the hut for smoke to escape
>>96800724It almost looks cozy but it's probably like living in an attic with those slanted walls. Can't wear your horns indoors.
>>96800856>>96800904The old look still fits the kurgan.
>primed up and painted a bunch of foot knights>realised they looked like ass when done, left them in stripper to clean off>ended up having to put on new arms and bases because they warped when cleaning>don't even like these models but need them to be officialtmI fucking hate these models man why can't they just look like the Bretonnian BSB and Paladin hero they made?
>>96800904The revamp is boring and doesnt allow for any personalization.>retarded concept You are a weak, weak man.
>>96800968"Personalization" is old fag untalented code for twisting arms up and down along their single axis to fake the feeling you're "being creative."
>>96800904Leave the Cimmerians alone ...
>>96801004Cimmerians are based on celts, Norscans literally live in an arctic peninsula.
>>96800987Hard truth nukeIf you aren't chopping and gluing you aren't really customizing
>>96801004They look like leather Daddy queers.Probably just left Stonewall after fighting the cops
>>96800813You act like designing a kit is a Manhattan Project level undertaking. You could turn around kits in a month. It’s also been almost 2 years since TOW launched. Completely possible that the foot knights they designed 5+ years ago were done with a different vision in mind that they had 1-2 years ago.
>>96801056We are not the same.
>>96800987>>96801056You’re both retarded. With those minis there’s nothing to be done, cant stick animal bits onto them to represent their primal chaos gods, or kitbash their weapons, or turn them into something entirely different like forsaken. It’s one thing if they were keeping the current marauders but they’re replacing them with some Adidas project instead, which is fucked. I guarantee you that they’re gonna push these Marauders to completely outclass the current chaos warriors so that people can sideline them entirely, and change the factions identity with something more trade marketable, and if they do that with chaos, the most imaginative faction in the setting, it’s not long for the rest to follow suit.
>>96801206Sounds like you just suck at hobbying
>>96801056Black orc kit forces you to do a lot of chopping and trimming and gluing to get shields on.
>>96801219Perry anon was right. The degradation of the hobby will come for fantasy.
>>96801206This is either schizo level delusion or weak attempts to demoralize. Chaos warriors aren’t going anywhere anon.
>>96801228Go away perrynigger
>it’s just Perrynigger false flagging Imagine spending all day doing this. Sincerely pathetic behaviour.
>>96801241>Chaos warriors aren’t going anywhere anon.No, they’ll stagnate. In a ip that only wishes to go on, leaving them behind.
>>96801155You could "turn kits around in a month" if your task was to take a company with GW's capacity from an improbable static posture to producing a single kit.You cannot turn kits around in a month when they're part of a massive company that's working on 100 kits simultaneously that are slotted into production and release order for the next five years with the potential involvement of overseas partners for printing, packaging materials etc.You have a very jobless opinion. Could they hypothetically intrude on their rigorously planned release order to make arbitrary changes? Sure. Do they? Fuck no, not unless something has gone very wrong. We actually just saw a rare example of this with them recalling a Necromunda product (and we will see how long it takes to get the replacements produced and what changes about the product/packaging).
>>96801247>>96801248>PERRYS
Why do people hate perrys so much in this thread? They basically sculpted all of soulful Warhammer minis we love.
I fucking hate this bastard but on a fundamental level I agree with him.
>>96800865Kino
Don’t get me wrong the marauders are great but I really want to see the mammoth. Earlier people were discussing a marauder chieftain sculpt. My theory is that the Mammoth kit is going to come with the option to build a mounted chieftain riding a Mammoth that comes with the option to assemble him on foot. Like the necrosphinx kit that lets you build a foot slogging king.
>>96801266I mean I was using that as an extreme contrasting example. I wasn’t saying that the turnaround for a kit is 1 month. I think your estimates of 2+ years for kits is simply too far of an extreme on the other end.
>>96801371If they drop a mammoth I'm going balls deep into the army
>>96800657>tqState troops, but just to make sure they all have shoes.
>>96801392It's not an estimate, it's the informed conclusion the most checked-in participants of the hobby have reached (from a combination of sources, the most important of which are ex-GW employees who have done interviews on youtube and in print).One of the most telling pieces of evidence is something you can on occasion confirm for yourself -- when you buy a brand new kit, look at the year stamped on the sprue. Oftentimes it'll be the previous year (or even 2 years earlier) meaning that the sprues were physically produced up to a year before the actual release.
>>96800731They better not touch black orcs, those sculpts are perfect.>no verification required
>>96801405I am certain a mammoth is coming. The rumour said marauders+mammoth. If you don’t value rumours, today on the Old World Facebook page under the announcement post a guy asked about Mammoths and they said “ possibly in the future “ as a response. The official account responding in the positive is basically a confirmation. It’s when and not if. Check out the Facebook announcement yourself if you don’t believe me.
>>96800657Fimir.
Rate my twist for the party dungeon-diving,Dwarves call for an audit because the dungeon was technically Dwarven property, a tense legal battle ensues in Grenzstadt where the PCs learn the legal proceedings are for more than just counting coins.
>>96801329Perry refers to a very specific anon who doesn't own GW models, only Perry Miniatures historical models. He is used as a bogeyman whenever there is a post or opinion someone doesn't like.
>>96801519*obligatory nod*
>settra and frydaal get miniatures and a new book to advance their narratives>mfw we'll probably get morghur or new plastics for beastmen
>>96801596Beastmen are being squatted and moved to Horus Heresy.
>>96800657How do people defend female minis at this point? We finally get a kit that's all male and it looks better than anything GW has released in a while. No one looks at a female marauder, chaos warrior, bretonnian, cathayan, whatever and thinks it looks capable or badass. Plus the people who actually want them are always really embarrassing and cringe coomers, really awkward people that you can't bring anywhere.The only female minis that are good are the ones that make sense like elves, mages, maybe artillery crew like cathay has. Frontline non-elf fighters though nah thats shite
>>96801605Finally I can play them in a proper narrative game
>>96801605thats old news, they're being moved to middle earth now
>>96800864I think sword and buckler men and mounted ginetes but with crossbow pistols would be cool.
>>96801607Almost all my mages are female, but I have little time for women with 2 handed weapons.
>>96801607I think Frydaal looks pretty good. Reminds me of Justine from Gotrek and Felix. The problem with AoS models isn’t that there are women, it’s that they are half women, half black,have HR haircuts and are fat.
>>96801607Is issue isn’t female minis, the issue is buck ugly sculpts
>>96801607You're male and you're not capable or badass.I look at the ugly inbred woman you posted and think "cool model for the inbred uglies army."There are like 6 or 7 women models in the Slaves to Darkness range and 50 or 60 male models. You're a weak guy, obsessed.
>>96801719nta, but lel. Untrained, weak men demolish trained women in nearly anything physical. Unless they're chaos mutated or magical, women do not belong on the battlefield.
>>96801741This is why I like Frydaal too. Seeing regular human women are frontline CC soldiers is jarring. Having a woman who has been granted chaos gifts as a leader/great warrior is plausible and doesn’t require suspension of disbelief. It’s about the logical consistency within the world.
>>96801741Wouldn’t that make more sense why they’re chaff
>>96801206Chaos warriors have already been sidelined, anon. Go look at the lists people bring to tournaments. Nary a warrior to be seen! But forsaken and dragons and gigantic chaos spawn, oh my! It's a shame, really. I love my warriors, I really do. I wish they were good, but they just aren't.
>>96801771You don't use those who can make more warriors in human wave tactics.
>>96801788Well that’s why you kidnap them then right?
>>96801607Stfu grognard fag. No one cares about what you think
Question, getting my first OW game in soon, and need to know something before I finalize my list. Does a unit fleeing because of Terror trigger panic tests for units within 6”, like if they lost combat? My opponent is bringing a Chaos Lord on Dragon and I don’t want to auto-lose with Yeoman Guard fleeing and breaking everyone around them besides Knights.
>>96801741That's weak man cope lolI'm not gonna go through the Darkoath units exhaustively, but at a cursory glace:- 2 of the women models are standard bearers (the most protected position in a unit)- 1 is a horse archer (a role that depends on skill over strength)- 1 uses a spear (a weapon that overcomes mismatches in strength)- 1 or 2 are leader models that probably have chaotic blessingsThat leaves only 2-3 that "don't make sense" (and those still make sense if you go to the effort of imagining them as trained and skilled anomalies)
>>96801788As already presented to you, fewer than 10 out of 60 models in the specific range being discussed are women.
I’m convinced this dude is false flagging for yous
That marauder cav is wild. And I like the current marauder cav a lot. The old foot marauders are probably the sculpt that shows its age the most in any game system other than catachans in 40k, great call to refresh them. I am also hyped for learning about how they worship in Norsca.
>>96801843>Sure, but it still makes no sense>you have never ridden a horse if you believe it isn't physically taxing, let alone archery where upper body strength is the name of the game>50lb draw weight bow lelelelel>women aren't just weaker, they are slower, smaller, lighter and less coordinated>sure, that one is fineI don't know what we're arguing about here. Women are inferior to men in combat, that doesn't mean I hate them. They just don't belong in a game that's simulating war unless there are fantastic circumstances. >>96801852Refer to first reply. It's fine if it's justified, but there's a fine line between including exceptional women and just shoving them in for politics or diversity. Every woman that's put in has to be fantastical, and that makes it both harder to suspend disbelief and takes away from those that are blessed by chaos or the winds of magic.
>>96800821I think that only works with straw roofs, but I don't know for sure.
>>96800657Great new 1 wound models with a shitton of useless crap on them to paint, this is just like the 8th ed State troops...can't we just have simple models that will rank well and look good?
>>96801945You can just use contrast paint if you’re too lazy to give them your full attention unc
>>96801903Do you complain about "old" models?Once someone is in their 50's they are inferior combatants.
>>96801957Good look up a guide on how to paint up gene stealer cults. Because that’s what these models are going to be like to paint.
>>96801961Eh 30 arguably, for some at least. 40 max.
>>96801974These guys are each minimum 50% fur texture, which is the single easiest thing to paint in all of miniaturedom.
>>96801957contrasts paints are bad
>>96801961Dude, I'm not complaining. I don't play AoS. It's an observation and I justified why I think it's dumb. You're free to like whatever you do. And nope, especially in the case of Norsca. Their lives revolve around war.
>>96801992Anon look at their clothing again.
>>96801961Dwarves shouldn’t have any melee units if we’re doing realism. They’d have so little reach compared to humans or elves it’d put them at an instant disadvantage
>>96802021I mean this IS true, I don’t get why they don’t have spears, it’s fucking retarded.
>>96801890>I am also hyped for learning about how they worship in Norsca.If you're not deathly allergic to the 4th edition of the roleplaying game, Sea of Claws goes into some depth about how the different tribes treat chaos worship, and at least those portions don't contain the controversial stuff that might turn people off.
This forced DEI push to strengthwash white grampas needs to end!!
>>96802068Why does gw love old men so much
>>96802068>AoS>AoS>witch hunterJust take your lumps and shut up, you simpering faggot.
>>96802078Grizzled old veterans are cool, shame they’re as unrealistic as women.
>>96802068Kill yourself perrynigger and stop posting AoS. >>96802087Eh. We have steroids that can keep old men strong and fit, I’m sure they have some ways to boost test as well.
>>96801719The projection:
>>96802095I'd guess it's more necessity than anything like that. There's constant warfare, even in our world old men are drafted when things get bad enough.
>>96802095Women can take steroids, retard. In fact it makes them look ugly and butch like the models you dislike.
>>96802108Old men are recruited at the same time as 12 year olds. GW better starting putting children into the new Empire Volksturm box
>>96802127Wouldnt mind one at all, genuinely makes more sense than female soldiers
>>96802132Women were in it too
>>96802108I wonder who else might be called upon to fight in times of desperation.
>>96802147Man cmon, there are better historical instances of women joining men on the forefront. Like uhh fuck the Scythians? Use that as your basis man cmon.
>>96802155Full auto weapons are not common in warhammer plus these women couldnt aim and were seen as a hindrance/liability
I guess he’s educating himself on Scythians now, lol.
I cant make Cathay work. I refuse to buy the lantern due to wanting to actually look and feel like an army, yet I lose to getting shot at before I can do anything despite stacking defensive spells. Do I really have to resort to cancerous cloak of jet spam?
>>96801719Funny to hear this while i actively train muay thai at the same gym as gsp lol, believe it or not not every warhammer enjoyer is as out of shape like you
>>96802316What’s your local meta like?
>>96802345Balanced armies with 2 units of skirmishers on the flanks
>>96802316Can’t help you much as I don’t play Cathay but those are gorgeous models anon.
>>96801607Basedcucks are beyond any help. Deep down they know those diversity models look retarded but at this point they can't back down.
>>96802087They're nowhere near as unrealistic as women. There are plenty of older men who are in shape. Sure they wouldn't win a boxing match against a 20 years old but they would demolish a bunch of women without any problem
>>96802123and they're still much weaker than men when they do, which is hilarious
Does anyone know any decent graveyard terrain kits? I tried for looking something sizeable to accent my morr warband but nothing much is coming up. Ideally it would be crypts like what the garden of morr/ /Cursed Sepulchre from aos has.
>>96801788>instead you just use your prime male breeding material
>>96801974GSC aren't even hard tho?
>>96802489gave me a laugh
I don't get why it's such a hurdle to get over the idea of female warriors, female warriors are an old ass fantasy trope that goes all the way to Greek mythology.
>>96802501You kind of just sound like a paintlet anon. I don't think anyone should be making models with making them easy to paint in mind. Just git gud
>>96802509I’m not opposed to the idea. The problem is that the models look like shit and are over designed. I hate the Frydaal mini. I wish the new Old World models were less busy. The new Beastmen were good, but Cathay is so over-designed.
>>96802433In terms of gw graveyard themed stuff there's the aos "Sand & Bone Gaming Pack" that has some unique scenery that could be usable Other than that skullforge scenics (etsy) is by a white dwarf contributor who handsculpts and casts some graveyard stuff in traditional resin, doesnt 3d print, good quality
>>96802509They're gay as fuck just like the greeks were Miss me with that faggot shitHowever they are fine in factions and roles that make sense
>>96802509Because people want the original setting respected instead of mutilated to fit your current year politics of mandatory inclusion. Also the more gender specific shit they put on the sprues the less overall options you end up with when it comes to bits swapping and/or conversion.
>>96800821Chimneyless saunas are still used occasionally in Finland. Typically there is a small ventilation hole in the wall though.
>>96802509I hate female soldiers. Heroines I like though.
>>96802652Mutilated like their bottom surgery
>>96802087We've historical documents that prove that men in their fifties fought in the wars of the roses as men at arms.
>>96802509Not every army needs to have women in them. It's also cancerous because they're doing it for girlboss/DEI reasons. It's not organic; it's forced.
>>96802718isnt that the fake war
You guys notice there’s a dragon silhouette on the new AJ?
>>96802943>two heads Galruch?
>>96802957Perhaps…perhaps not
>>96800657Why is GW fucking allergic to ranged infantry. Give them goddamn bows or throwing axes or javelins, or fucking something. These look good, but releasing like 1/3 of a range and telling people to play the army is fucking stupid.
>>96803054go play elves
>>96803054I agree, javelins and throwing axes would be a good fit for marauders. Warbows even.
>>96803054>chaos >range I guess you have your horsemen. Unless they removed the weapon options from them?
>>96803054>why did GW not give WoC marauders ranged weapons!!!!?!!?!How new are you that you’re even asking such a silly question? That’s like one of the WoC core aspects, no ranged outside magic (and the hellcannon but even that is a mercenary weapon made and crewed by dwarfs)
If they do actually give Chaos infantry range like in twwh then >>96801206 is onto something.
>>96803063Nah marauder horse have option to buy javelins or throwing axes.
>>96802316Haven't looked into TOW since before Cathay released. What makes the lanterns so good you can't win without them?
>>96803068They didn’t give WoC ranged weapon infantry they gave javelin throwing infantry to Norsca.
>>96803075
Was there a leak or something tangible about ogres leaving aos or is it speculation?
>>96803087Just a complete refresh
>>96802316are you playing with objectives? jade warrior should be able to hold them against shooting. play the sentinel as granite. you can hide the shugengan behind your infantry since its not a large target.
>>96803066I know this, but that doesn't make it any less stupid. Javelins would be so goddamn perfect here. Trying to pretend that just not letting certain factions use an entire phase of the game is somehow thematic is moronic. There is literally no reason they wouldn't have bows.
>>96803054Arent they just updated marauder models? Not a new army.
>>96803109Norsca might slowly end up becoming the face of Chaos (warriors). we dont really know.
>>96803109They are literally just updated marauders >>96803113 is perrynigger most likely trying to demoralize. He’s the one who brought up this “ theory “ in the last thread and has been bringing it up since then as if others have said anything about it.
>>96803109That's fair, though I had the same reaction for Darkoath. It's pretty funny to me that in the vidya, companies have to make up units to round out rosters and make factions playable, but GW themselves just won't for some reason. Obviously, everyone doesn't need to have everything, but just arbitrarily deciding that WoC don't get to throw shit will never not be dumb.
I like the old night goblins so I will add a box to my to-do pile in case they get replaced.
>>96803126It’s not arbitrary it’s a conscious design choice they stuck with. It’s what keeps armies varied and interesting. No one would play or care if every army was able to do everything equally well. It’s an asymmetrical game by design.
>>96803137Good job ignoring half my post. It is arbitrary. I'm not saying I want them to get a full artillery battery, or even that I want chaos warriors to do much at a distance. But the goddamn marauders should get shitty bows at least.
>>96803156whats next, we give green skins gunpowder units?
>>96803165No, the next thing is another irrelevant fallacy that refuses to engage with my actual point.
>>96803156Nah bows don’t fit their aesthetic or theme at all. Javelins I could understand because you have the image of them hunting mammoths for meat throwing javelins but bows don’t fit. You probably aren’t aware but using a bow in an arctic environment is extremely difficult. Borderline impossible for primitive bows made of natural components that stiffen and freeze over. Javelins make sense for an arctic environment like they live in. Bows don’t.
>>96803137couldn't you ally ungor bowmen?
>>96803179Yes you can
>>96803176Yeah, I was thinking of the old marauders when I said bows, because yeah, chaos marauders used to have bows. But I agree, javelins feel best.
>>96803196Throwing axes would also fit their Viking aesthetic but a 9 inch ranged weapon is basically useless on infantry
>>96803210I mean, realistically they were a line destabilizing weapon. You could have them get the throw off right before a charge. That would be thematic and fun, so never ever.
>>96800792Firewood is scarce in Norsca
>>96801719Seething tranny kek
>>96802316Fooken nice paintjobs. Maybe get another Sentinel instead
>>96801695It also helps that she's on foot in an interesting duel pose and not riding a 100x100mm CADslop dildo monster centerpiece
>>96803271Do you always think of dildos? I mean, im not one to judge man. We all have our tastes.
>>96803280You're a greasy AoS playing Reddit tranny with zero friends for a reason, and this puerile faggot humor is really not helping your case
>>96803296erm, based?
>>96803054>Chaos>Rangedlol
>>96803271>dildo monsterI think its more accurate to say that they're almost all some kind of boxy lizard.
>>96802068>50-60 something grizzled oldfag vampire/witch hunter on his last and greatest hunt before his aging body fails himThis is a kino trope, don't pretend otherwise. I don't know what that Renaissance Faire larper in the middle is supposed to be though.
Progress on the Tomb King, almost done with him, then I can finish the howdah
>>96803405Looks fantastic so far.
>>96803214Such weapons could be represented by furious charge or some other charge bonus.
>>96800724Norsca terrain could be cool
>>96803405very nice
>>96800856you can use the spare helmets to improve the aos marauders>but womenwomen with helmets are hot
>>96802943there's a dragon in the other cover too, it means jack shit
I’m going to paint up some Wissenlanders. They don’t get enough love in a world dominated by Averlanders, Stirlanders and Talabheimers. Any tips or ideas to make them stand out?
>>96803499yeah, change the color scheme
>>96803528Fuck you. Castle grey, clean white and crisp reds rule.
Cool or silly undead army idea: Frankenstein-themed zombie armyNecromancer riding a big rotting rat with bat wings grafted on. His cloak is man of skins stitched together (like the one on the 40k haemonculus)Instead of crypt horrors, big frankenstein zombies with several bodies merged together crudely with implements for handsLots of zombies for baseline troops, some converted to be amalgams of parts stitched together.Banners would feature lightning motifs striking a zombified head with bolts at the neck, and glowing eyesCorpse carts would feature necromantic acolytes with butcher cleavers and lots of surgical looking implements on their waist
>>96803547>Frankenstein-themed>doesn't have a Frankenstein
>>96803547too silly, even for AoS, imo
>>96803553Dr Frankenstein is the head necromancer
>>96800685They're literally just empire with Morion hats and perhaps more involvement with Araby and the New WorldYou could do an Estalian army right now by kitbashing WGA conquistadors with Empire kits if you wanted a shortcut
>>96803579But no Frankenstein's monster? You could easily make it work with a Strigoi Ghoul King
>>96803607>kitbashing WGA conquistadors with Empire kits if you wanted a shortcutWouldn't work. The WGA kit is not heroic scale.
>>96803547Frankenstein kind of is a necromancer archetype. Sounds very on brand to me. Plus there are tons of really cool minis from all sorts of different companies and genres for undead horrors to proxy pretty much anything you could include in an army like that.Sounds like a great army concept.
>>96800856I really hate the aesthetic of being shirtless with fuck huge pauldrons
>>96802509You're a bit stupidWhere female warriors existed as a trope, the fact that they were female was the unique thematic element - amazons, scythians, valkyries etc. - the stand out, unique thing was precisely the fact that they were fighting-women, in a man's domain (war). Take for example the Sisters of Sigmar, or Amazons in Lustria, or Valkia the Bloody for old GW examplesModern GWs idea of female warriors is to pretend there is no difference between men and women, women should occupy any possible position in a a factions army at random and basically to gaslight you until Karl Franz himself is a black womanIf you can't tell the difference between the two approaches you are a certified smoothbrain mcsmoothy
>>96803547depending on how hard you go on the electric elements, it fits aos more than whfbotherwise you have to bend backwards a little bit to make this faction somehow connected with the other electric frankenstein subfaction that already exists in the setting
>>96803135Of all the old plastic kits, I think the Night Goblins are probably on the safer end, GW replacing TK skeletons or Slayers are more likely than Night Goblins
>>96800657I would love for them to do some genuine old world chorfsThe new ones from AoS are convertible but it's a still fair bit of effort to get a modernised version of the traditional bighatsI'll probably use the hobgrots tho for hobgoblins and shave off the armour bits
>>9680196170 year old men are more dangerous than women in their prime, commie retard.
>>96800657>>TQ:>Which kits are you hoping are redone next?tomb kings skeletons desperately need the upgrade
Im happy for the new marauder kit but I might alos use the old one with some conversions for model variety. I hope they do Kislev soon. Purely so I can run them as traitor Kislev and use the models for more marauders.
I like these better for barbarians in winterclothes.
>>96803874How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man
>>96803874The hammers cool
>>96803738Just say you hate warhammer
>>96803903I hate warhammer
>>96803915Bold.
>>96803874>"barbarian" vikings>having the resources and metallurgy to make zweihanders>but still running around in mailleNo.Also>metal-rimmed shield-50 points from Gryffindor, fagmeister
>>96790551Did a template for whoever wants it.
>>96803874These look like barely better than warlord (not a compliment), very 2002
>>96803934They stole it
>>96803947https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oC__JxLj6-8
We must manifest Kislev into existence
>>96803054Ironically Chaos Warriors would make some of the greatest bowmen in the whole world, simply because since they are so much stronger than most other races they could take bows with heavier draw strengths, and fire stronger arrows.Add the fact that they could have ensorcelled bows, and each Chaos Warrior with a bow could be the equivalent of a walking scorpio.
>>96803947Bless anon. If not for it bring 4am and the sleeping pills kicking in I would be repping Stirland
>>96803874I think the new frostgrave cultists 3 kit would be better, with headswaps. The sculpts are of higher quality and they've got pretty neat polearms.
>>96804005I think it's hard to use bows while wearing a plate harness with such massive pauldrons, but you are correct when you say that they are fine physical specimens for archers.
>>96804005This is fucking retarded
>>96804005Chaos is all about raw power, brutality, and proving your supremacy over your enemy to the dark gods. Hard to convey that with a bow and arrow. At most they should have throwing axes and javelins.
>>96803491>dragon on the cover>single headclearly the Warpfire dragon that got rereleased with and has rules in the book, you stupid fuck
>>96803491Wtf is with that stupid dnd tiefling with the midget arm ? How is that even relevant to the guys below that tranny character ?
These sets are the only set they have made that's interested me at all in 20 years and I'm not being hyperbolic.
>>96804154Well those guys aren’t really relevant now either
Finally assembled this monster. It was quite a hassle to remove all the joints that formed when gluing the parts, especially considering that they are all located on the skin and are not hidden by clothing or armor.(Bret knight for size comparison)
>>96804193Crop your pics to avoid Australia anon
>WFRP 5ehttps://www.wargamer.com/warhammer-fantasy-roleplay/fifth-edition-announced
>>96804200That makes sense. Next year will be the WFRP 40th anniversary, and a new edition will get way more money than just a revised 4th edition core rulebook.
>>96800657The models are too busy. For example, it seems every horseman has a skull on the chest. That said, overall this is a huge win. Apparently the kits are modular in the old school way which is a great sign for things to come. Also importantly the horses are actually properly proportional. Not tiny ponies, nor the super long limbed freaks on stilts that every new AoS mount has, seriously look at goblins on wolfs and horses etc they are sitting like 7 feet up in the air
>>96804200Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh I’ll pass personally. Covers better than tow at least.
>>96804193Second try
>>96804210Looking at the article, it seems it's mostly a 4.5 edition update since all the previous books from 4e will be cross-compatible stats.The main things seem to be trimming some of the more unnecessary side mechanics since 4e was very crunchy at times
Shielded gors are on the way. Did a little kitbashing>>96804197Thank you, anon
>>96804225Best of luck with your Warherd Anon, but the most important question is, do you have any lore for your dudes yet?
>>96804211>NAH, HE JUST LOOKS BIG!>WE'LL SHOW HIM!
>>96804225>>96804211Beasts is a long ways off for me. I need to finish my current army, and then TK are next but damn, can't wait. I got a herdstone built and it's way more massive than I expected, kinda like that Gorgon appears to be
>>96804225
>>96804211>>96804225>>96804237holy mold lines batman
>Beastmen of Chaos written in the manner of the Horus Heresy:>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yA5lujNlkn8
>>96804250Third time this has been posted this week
>>96804122the second head might be hidden in the scenebesides the design of the head is different from the warpfire dragon and it's not even spewing warpfire
>>96804209Thought the same. There's way too many trinkets on them.
>>96804230Thank you. I did not develop any particular lore, but they surely hate wood elves a lot>>96804245There are no moldlines on my Ghorgon, Gors are WIP, I'll clean them all
>>96804250>written in the manner of the Horus Heresynofuck off
>>96804263Slightly overdoing it with the Wood Elf shit on the bases. The shield and the sword are too much, particularly because they're both fully intact without a scratch. Otherwise looks sick, I love the champion.
>>96804200Nice. Still sticking with 2e thoughbeit
>>96804281Good point, I think I'll stick the axe in the shield. Also the banner will stand on top of it
I am not at all happy with the colour of my beastmen skin its too orange. i think i should aim for more of a nutty brown kind of like diablo 3's beastmen.
>>96804295I agree, they look too orange.
>>96804295Insert unfunny purple Ork joke here, followed by Bud Dwyer-style exit
>>96802480You don't need a lot of men to breed a lot of women.
>>96804330Shit you dont even need the men, the women can get pregnant themselves
>>96804262I am currently painting the 6th ed metal Dwarf Longbeards and am basically suffering from PTSD from the trinkets.>small dagger>short sword>mug/tankard>2-3 pouches>gems everywhere>trinkets in beardsI love the models but will literally celebrate when I am done w/ this unit of 20
>>96803054Are you smoking meth? Go look at the unit profile for marauder horsemen. They can have javelins and throwing axes. That's supposed to be the limit for non-magical chaos shooting, it's a game balance thing. Seriously, do any of you even play chaos? You should know this.
>>96802480Women are the bottleneck for human (and humanoid) reproduction, not men. Fewer men means your labor output and military capacity is fucked up for a generation, fewer women means your population's fucked for several generations if not totally wiped out.
>>96804209>Apparently the kits are modular in the old school wayThey're not. Each body has two heads to choose from, probably helmet or helmetless, and a choice of flail, great weapon, or hand weapon and shield. They're pretty much monopose.
>>96804388expect them to be like the Jade Warrior kits in how they are structured
>>96804388the shields and hand weapons are interchangeable, the article sayswhich probably means the hands are, instead of the armsso yeah, quite monopose
>>96804433the elbows it seems
>>96800365>if [Ogres] come back sooner than dark Elves or Vampires (including iteration in form of Vampire Coast) I'm gonna be really pissedI expect any factions that comeback are going to be done in groups, at least 2 at a time. The only reason Cathay released solo, as will Kislev, is because they required an entire line to built up (or maybe half, for Kislev).
>>96804462Not very different from the men at arms it seems, but we'll havevto wait and see to be sure.
>>96804462>building 50 using a sprue like pic relatedchaos indeed
Is there a collated list of dogs of war units?
>>96800821>people just let the smoke fill up thier homesMe when I lie.
>>96804494https://whfb.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Dogs_of_War_units
>>96804491Not optimal, but bodies are 4 parts, and once they are assembled, the arms should be easy to put on whatever body you want
>>96804504TOW specifically. This is missing some
>>96804433Seems they copied the system from the old chaos warriors.
>>96803874Frostgrave Barbarians are great, kitbash them with their cultist line and you've got some real chaos followers. You could also use Oathmark humans with some modification, or if you wanted a little more advanced/civilized guys for your Marauders, like a Border Prince petty kingdom/chiefdom.
>>96804200art in a larger size, I don't get why Wargamer makes their image files so small
>>96804527
>>96804536Oh and they kitbash well enough with Oathmark human cav (heavy human cav soon)
>>96804527They are great models, but I dislike the crossbows.
>>96804427>expect them to be like the Jade Warrior kits in how they are structuredI wouldn't bet on it. Heads are tied to torsos, and the whole capes and furs thing restricts arm placement.
>>96804536>>96804537these look like shit
>>96804558But we already know there are multiple head options per model so I'm not sure that would work with the torso being attached to the head
>>96802095>>96803118>PERRYS
>>96804545There's 1 crossbow and 1 regular bow per male barbarian sprue, and the female sprue has 2 bows and 0 crossbows (both have 5 bodies per sprue), so you could build up a bow-only group. Though I'd honestly advise you just see if you can find some oathmark human bow arms and used them since they come 5 a sprue so oathmark players end up with dozens spare.
>>96804570>But we already know there are multiple head options per modelThere are specifically two, though maybe the champions will have more. That implies there is no common join between bodies and heads, but that each body will have a specific join that matches with two heads.
>>96804584they might be easily interchangeable with very minor cutting requiredthey probably have to phrase it that way because the beards or curves of the horns simply cannot be made to match well with some bodies
>>96803547Actually had a thought for TOW’s distinct VC could be Necrarchs, and they get up to this stuff. They have patchwork men, which are basically flesh golems.Could be fun.
>>96802943Also maybe a mammoth?
>>96804680that's reaching
>>96804680>that'll be $300 sirdream on GW
>>96804263>casual banner conversion with mengil's manflayers standardThat's old GW tier kitbashing, very nice but I hate you unless it's a print.
>>96802718These men couldnt swing and were seen as a hindrance/liability.
>>96804200Bit confused as to why. They mention themselves they want to consolidate some things, which I can understand. You use the Core rulebook, plus Up in Arms for weapons and Critical Wounds, plus Archives 3 for armor, plus Winds of Magic for any solid magic experience. With these you are already golden.Just a bit unfortunate that wood elves definitely won't get their book in 4ed then. Although I understand from veterans they have not gotten ANY book since the 1st edition.
I'm so fucked up, lads. I had a wild dream that the Old World was destroyed. Can someone tell me who the new Everchosen is? What's it at now, 14?
>>96804734Sure, but speculating is fun
>>96804797>Can someone tell me who the new Everchosen is?Rob the Honest Wargamer
>>96804797>having nightmares about a setting you know nothing aboutSecondaries are mentally ill. The current Everchosen is Asavar Kul and he's #4
>>96804830Well he's #12 but we don't know who the fuck 8 of them were
>>96800987>>96801056>I want my kits more expensive with less models that are harder to modify>No, I'm NOT kidding
>>96804761It's a recast. Might use more bits from that kit for this particular gor
>looking for 7th edition fanatics because sigmar ones are shit >see more offers for that one fanatic promo mini and almost nothing for the ones im looking for Fucking how
>>96804749Is that suppose to be a lot of money?I'll take two, I will easily get 600 bucks worth of enjoyment from building, painting, and playing with two war mammoths that look cool, and not like the gross shit you posted
>>96801056That just qualifies as a kit bash.If you aren't sculpting you are not converting, simple as.Chopping, glueing, and bits swapping is just kit bashing
>>96804830>>96804835I find it intensely gay that there were somehow 8 Everchosen who just jobbed and died absolutely unknown to the world somehow. They obviously did that just to pad the numbers to make Archaon #13. In canon I guess it shows the fickle nature of the Chaos gods, sure, but to have the Everchosen randomly keel over in obscurity eight fucking times, killed by a mammoth or a toad dragon or something? Fucking silly.
>>96804862my gook recaster has the metal ones
>tfw *the* Bret recaster refuses to ship to the JewSACUT MY LYS INTO PIECES
>>96804882Thats 4th edition ones right? Im specifically looking for the 7th edition ones because they are the best looking ones in my opinion, 5th edition fanatics are nice too
>>96804881just because we don't know about them it doesn't mean they died ignominiously
>>96804945I would rather they just have there only have been 4 Everchosens prior to Archaon, who would thus be #5. It diminishes the impact of being the Everchosen to have them die off-screen fuckin twice as often as the ones who did anything meaningful, all just so Archaon can be #13 for the meme. Fuck off with that shit, it was just as stupid in 40gay with the failed Black Crusades.
>>96804857Alright recasts are also acceptable. Remembering some of the bullshit that went on in the white dwarfs, like using multiple Morathi hair bits for dwarf beards. Fucking UK troll bitz service privilege.
>>96804983>using multiple Morathi hair bits for dwarf beardsGigachad move
>>96804976the black crusades are shit because they're all about the same faggot, here we're talking about a history of chaos invasions that stretches for 8000 yearsyou want to make the setting smaller just because you can't picture 8 other large chaos invasions happening over the course of history without gw holding your hand for each of them?
>>96804863>Why of course I'll spend $300 on a model worse than the one that came out 20 years ago! In fact I'll take two of these identical models!
>>96804990It really was, but also a sign of the times of plenty we once had. Chopping up limited edition metal models? Many people these days wouldn't dream of harming their precious OOP models they hunted ebay for. Bit of a shame really.
>Flicking through all the 28 style zines for ideas>Absolutely no beastmen stuff its always homebrew freakbash mutants or 40ksad
>>96805134I've seen some nice AoS stuff kitbashing warcry untamed Beasts and Khorne blood warriors Personally I would just throw weapon hands on the kill team
>>96804838Actually, I want better looking models above anything else. One way to enormously improve the appearance of models is to eliminate the cartoonish seams and poses of turret-like arms and waists.You want the fantasy of creativity above anything else. You will happily accept primitive, cartoonish sculpture as long as it offers you an illusory input of choices during the assembly process.Price doesn't come into it on either side. They'll charge the same whether they're making archaic, chopped hand-sculpted models or ridiculously gaudy digitally-sculpted models. Because they're a market-leader and borderline monopoly.
>>96804876This is simply untrue, 2020's newfag. The ur-form of conversion is cutting and gluing plasticard products, no sculpting involved.
>>96805180*plasticard and other polystyrene products, I should say
>>96804863dude you don't need two mammoths, just ask your mother to go to games with you.
>>96804863>This message was sponsored by Games Workshop.
C7 is doing a quick Q&A for WFRP5e( or Anniversary Edition maybe) looks like Wreckers point, Marianburg splat and a Dark elf Black Ark book were moved over to 5ehttps://cubicle7games.com/en_GB/blog/warhammer-fantasy-roleplay-fifth-edition-in-house-interview
Added some rats to the pile
>>96800724Wouldn't be surprised if most of the actual domicile was underground, and the stuff above ground is basically just the roof
>>96800683I'd be all over new Helf core infantry. Seems weird to me they didn't get an update during 8th like the Dark Elves got. I don't even mind static poses, I just don't like the hands being bigger than their heads.
>>96805241>We’ve reduced ‘special case’ rules where the impact wasn’t worth the additional effort, reworked combat to flow better and be easier to keep track of, and made the game a little more deadly. There are fewer ways to deflect critical hits now, for example, so combat feels more dangerous.Dave: We’ve done a lot of work in the details of the system. Talents now apply to specific areas and do that one thing well, avoiding the problem of overlapping bonuses. We’ve merged Resilience and Resolve into Fate and Fortune to reduce tracking those resources. The magic system takes cues from Winds of Magic and integrates that material more tightly into the core rules.Well this just sounds like an improvement all around
Next in line
>>96805418Well spank my ass and call me Shirley, it's like they actually played the game and listened to feedback, crazy these days
>>96805598>Visibly confused 40K devs.
Is Renegade Crowns a good fit for (soon to be squatted) Fyreslayers?
>>96805687C7 did fix the original release of WanG that Ulisses Spiele released
>>96805740no
>>96805010>history of chaos invasions that stretches for 8000 years2500morkar was retconned into being the first and attacking the empire in its first yearso we can assume that all everchosen arise between the year 0 and the end times (save time traveling shenanigans).looking up the major chaos events that already exist in the world's timeline we could point to a few of said events as having had an everchosen, especially if they're spaced apart by more or less 2 centuries and involve some other corner or faction of the world>0001: morkar>?????: vangel, second everchosen, defeated by dwarfs, likely in the old world >0211: dark elves complete their defensive system of towers and defeat an invasion >0500: chaos manifestation in the darklands, lets say greenskins deal with it>0666: morrslieb goes crazy, tomb kings and high elves stop a chaos force south>0955: The Battle of Ostwald Moor. men Hochland, Nordland and Ostland defeat a chaos incursion of unprecedented size>1237: chaos returns to lustria from the ruins of the temple-city of Xahutec >1310: earthquakes breach the great bastion, cathay gets its largest invasion>1610: wanna give something to nippon, this is the date of the battle of sekigahara>1690: cathay loses its fleet, the east sea is unguarded for a century (add chaos 'ere)>1999: belakor crashes in mordheim and lures an everchosen, khaardun, dies a bitch>2300: good old great war against chaos with asavar kul and magnus the pious>2500: the TRVE everchosen arises and ruins everything for everyone sounds good enough?
>>96805241>a Dark elf Black Ark bookNeat, but I wish I could see them giving the Lustria treatment to Naggaroth some day. I know it is a very unappealing area since it has essentially zero non-elf presence for players, on top of being a barren shithole, but I find it a waste that such a vast continent is reduced to a handful of evil cities then thousands upon thousands of miles of "literally nothing happens nor will ever happen here". Fucking flyover country.At the very least I'd like to see more of the underworld sea.
>>96804749>bonesthat gummy shit plastic is worth getting the gw one
>>96805777>0666: morrslieb goes crazy, tomb kings and high elves stop a chaos force southWould be sick as fuck if the Everchosen of the time was a mega-powerful sorcerer lord ripping the Chaos Gates open to summon Great Catastrophe levels of daemons for a time, ATLA Sozin's Comet style. Considering how much crazy shit happens on an average Geheimnisnacht I could see this feasibly being done.
>>96805933real Gs look no further
>>96804534That art is fucking rough, it reminds me of the old world rpg starter set. Otherwise it looks like a 4.5 disguised into some new edition
>>96805971That looks insipid.
>>96805266These are Legacy. You shouldn't have them.
>>96805971>sidecut dykeWhat the fuck is GW's problem with this shit? Some disgusting little faggot art director has a fetish, clearly.
>>96805971I think the new edition cover is by Ralph Horsley, it looks like his style at least.seems Slayers must be on every WFRP cover at this point.
>>96805985Indeed, the Rat-Catchers' Guild will hear of th—>ACKKKKK!
>>96806051>seems Slayers must be on every WFRP cover at this pointI can't blame them to use the most recognizable dwarf archetype across all fantasy
Played a few 1000 point games the other day. It's always fun shoving a few big blocks of boys up the table. Any units I hit generally vanished in short order, but it's tricky handling lots of ambushers, fliers and magic with this list. I'm tempted to pick up some light cav to go up to 1500, and maybe a rock lobba or similar.>>96800657>TQI'd like to see new basic trolls. The metal sculpts are lovely, but pretty limited, and both river and stone trolls outdo them pretty heavily. New wolf riders that match the Warhammer Underworlds wolf sculpts would be ideal as well, but that's never happening.>>96805266Nice rats anon.
>>96806106>Grumlok and GazbagFucking based. Pick up some Night Goblins next
>>96805740Aren't they slated to get a bunch of new stuff
>>96806016where is the sidecut? she just has an unfortunate hairline
Cool box!
>>96806193It's either a sidecut or her hair is pulled back in a bizarre way that looks identical to a modern west coast American faggot ass sidecut. Either way, I'm tired of it.
>>96806286And it's content. I think this might be the rarest mini I have currently.
>>96806286>>96806332Fuck yeah, seen a few Harrys on ebay recently.
>>96806351It's an amazing sculpt, I just wish it fit on a 60x30 base properly. It's gonna be a pain to rank up with infantry.
>>96800724Somehow i'm more interested in buying a house like this as a terrain piece than the actual minis
>>96806381>not putting Harry the Hammer in the front rankI shiggy diggy
>>96806510>buying
>>96806511Where else are you supposed to put a hero, dummy?
>>96803547
>>96806520Is he too wide or something? I thought you could easily fit him on a 30x60. If not just go for a 60x60 and give him a sick as fuck elevated scenic base on a hill of bones.
>>96806541Yeah, he's 40mm wide, while the infantry is 30mm. I'll be fine if I go two ranks deep, but anything more than that is fucked. He could fit on a 60x30, but the scenic base is a bit too wide for that.
>>96806565Yeah no, no chance he'd fit on a 30x30. 60x60 seems like the way to go then, good chance to get creative with a cool base for him.
>>96806579I might have to do that.
Yeah those marauders are on 30s, they’re gonna mog the fuck out of warriors.
>>96801843Archery requires a whole lotta strength dingus
He never did take up my Scythian pity gib. Wonder why.
the still superior marauder sculpts
>>96800724>>96805272
>>96806825ngl if they rereleased these Id immediately buy somefrom my recaster
>>96806825I agree >>96806847I wish my country wasnt retarded with its tarrifs
>>96806106Zog me, that's mint!>footslogging warbossDIS ORC KNOWZ HOW TER WAAAAAGH!!!!
>>96806786Yeah but scythians cut their tits off to be able to shoot. So where are my one titted models?
>>96803653wrong.
>>96806834Where do they sleep?
Is there anywhere one can get foundry modules for wfrp without cashing out on all of them? Couldn't find anything in the share thread or in the wfrp pastebin other than pdfs...
>>96806914...slaanesh?
Other than the lack of girls and nogs the new sculpts are very AoS-y with action poses and a gorillion trinkets.
>>96807009Get your eyes checked
AAAAAAAAAAA I DONT KNOW WHAT COLOUR TO DO THE SKIN ON MY GORS IM SO TORN FFFFFUCK
>>96807029He’s not wrong at all. That shit is busy as fuck. Those aren’t made for gaming.
>>96807050>Secondaries that only visit /tg/ to bitch about stuff they know from /v/ pretending they even play games againlol, lmao.
>>96807038Use them all. Why would they all be the exact same color?
>>96806767No it doesn't. Your ability as an archer does not scale with your strength. You just need a minimum amount of strength to be able to do it at all. Women can attain the amount required.
>>96807038Paint some test models. Always helps to see stuff in person.
>>96807038This might help?>https://youtu.be/faXcTQfU2us?si=EWFq2bfbgmpz9xb_
>>96806937On their TEMPUR-Material™ Tempur-Pedic® mattresses
>>96807038>scat brown>wood brown>dried blood brownThe choices aaaagh I'm going insaaaane!
>>96807107You are wrong. To use a bow at all you have to be strong. To use it with precision you have to keep it steady, i.e. you have to be strong enough not start shaking. To sustain using it you have to be really fucking strong, because you have to draw the bow over and over. In medieval battles they'd rotate archers in and out cause they couldn't keep firing. Looking at the skeletons of english archers that were by law required to start training at ~14 years you can see the deformation of their skeletons from the physical strain. They had to start that young so they'd be physically able to use the thing.You are so wrong it's not worth arguing about. It's a fantasy setting. If you want female archers okay, but any drawstrength used in a historical context with comparable arms and armor (english longbow if that wasn't clear) is unrealistic and pointless to argue about anyway. NTA, btw. Just saying it's a silly thing to argue about.
>>96805968SOVL
I heard Slaanesh is getting the squats treatment in AoS. Is that true? If so, Holy shit am I glad ToW is back
>Gors in art all have black head and white body>GW has always painted them basic bitch cadian fleshtone.This isn't even a recent thing and even back in the old days they were given uniform paint jobs just more red than beige. Maybe they thought your average mouth breather could never blend black and beige?
>>96807107>Your ability as an archerDoesn't matter if you can't draw a 120+ lb draw weight warbow. But you're an obese retarded slob talking out of your ass, so you wouldn't know.
>>96807227>I heard Slaanesh is getting the squats treatment in AoS. Is that true?You're like a decade late anon slaanesh has its own model range in AOS with new sculpts
>>96807227Man you really are the Internet Explorer of Warhammer news cuz that never happened.
>Flicking through all the Beastmen books for paint job ideas>Get to the first AoS Battletome>Flick through the rules and remember all the fun stuff like the Gavespawn or going all in on a chaos god.>Read some of the character stuff>Identical names but entirely different functions>Eg: Bray Shaman Cast Devolve and it causes enemy units to flee 2D6 inches away from all their alliesI'll be honest i don't think any of the games came up with a good idea for a devolution magic spell but its odd they kept the name and just used it for entirely different mechanics.Also funny even then there was set up for Morghur to be a greater chaos undivided demon like what was planned for "The Era of the Beast" before they scrapped all that in favour of crackhead orcs nobody bought.
What edition is this? $6 each
>>96807306Lizerdmen in 5th editionOrcs are 6th edition
>>96807278>Also funny even then there was set up for Morghur to be a greater chaosthere still isand not undivided
>>96807227Anon chaos demons aren’t slated to come back in tow at all
>>96807071What? Anon stop pretending like these aren’t a pain in the ass to paint.
>>96807319>Formless Distortion>Even as Daemons manifest as obscene parodies of mortal forms, the true essence of Chaos is endlessly shifting and unknowable, twisting, changing and perverting everything it touches. Some Daemons who crossed the veil into realspace embodied this ceaseless distortion to its fullest extent, shaping themselves into roiling agglomerations of immaterial flesh and bone, for whom death was simply one component of the eternal metamorphosis they would inflict upon the material world
>>96807071>saying this as if TOW wasn't brought back largely thanks TWW and Vermintide>also ignoring >>96806825, which look less busy
>>96805241>>96805418>new edition will be compatible with 4e books>less meta currencies>combat is less retardedly crunchy and clunky>4th magic revision (kek)>everything andy law wrote will be squatted>it will MAYBE have a non retarded layoutthere's a catch isn't it?
>>96807175To be fair, that's just one particular style of archery. Mass Longbow or warbow blocks did require just raw strength, but for recurves or horse bows that level of strength simply isn't required.
>>96807355Who is Andy Law - except being homo, since for some reason every Andy is a homo?
>>96807355 Careers are now extra broken and money is also bugged
>>96807364Yeah, absolutely. My point was just that raw strengh does matter a lot with archery, because it's purely operated by muscle power.Once you get to crossbows that are reloaded with levelers and winches that gets mitigated.
Is Frydaal a fakeout and they are setting up Morghur returning as the big bad?
>>96807510Frydall is a minor Lieutenant to some other Chaos Lord, so she doesn't matter that much outside of being the first WoC incursion to the Empire in a good couple of centuries at least.
>>96807510>Yfw Morghur returns as an AoS style 120mm square centerpiece model thats been sitting in the AoS cad vault for 4 years.
>>96807510>Is Frydaal a fakeoutYes, she's resin.Import guys for the old world will be plastic.Like asavar kul and engra deathswordI'm not sure morghur will get a new model, or an important player, they might just reuse its old model.If I were GW I'd put the budget into a dragon ogre shaggoth kit.
Who is Morghur and why do people think hes a big bad evil guy on the way?
>>96807567>Who is Morghurbeastmen special characterhe's relatively important because it's implied he is a god of some kind
Do you want Mordheim to return like necromunda
>>96807605sure
>>96807595That miniature is so shitty
>>96807605I dont care
>>96807227Daemons aren't around basically at all narratively at the moment and are hard Legends'd for the foreseeable future anon. And considering 40gay doubled down on EC and Slaanesh, I doubt they would axe Slaanesh from any setting.
>>96807567Morghur is, pun only partially intended, the GOAT of Beastmen. He is somewhat a blend of 40ks Lucius the Eternal and AoS's Horticulus on steroids.For one thing he is a mortal that functions like a demon. You killed him? good job. Now hes been reborn somewhere else and when you are old and grey and weak hes going to show up and break you down for fun because he remembers you. Death is just a temporary banishment to the realm of chaos and for him its a fucking vacation.He has eaten multiple demigods and divinities. He almost ate the Lady of the Lake and in Bret culture he is the analogue for Satan. Ariel and Orion are fucking terrified of him. He is everything an Everchosen wants to be without needing the patronage of the chaos gods. His reputation spreads the breadth of the world and beyond.Every time he is born the entire planet suffers. Crops are worse, mutation and birth deformities skyrocket. He is effectively a walking 40k warp storm and he doesn't do this as a grand end goal. This occurs because he simply exists at the time.In current TOW lore he has been killed but he saved a blind gor and took him under his wing and called him Krawlmaw and he is basically his prophet. With some thinking his creepy little minion is in fact Morghurs infant aged current incarnation waiting for a growth spurt.In an age where The Old World is more lax and the people have forgotten the true threat and scale of chaos Morghur returning would be disastrous. Like starting the equivalent of WW3.
>>96807605Yes please. Second hand Mordheim minis are super expensive.
>>96807605I wouldn't mind, but I do think 95% of the current playerbase would prefer it not to
>>96805266Cute rats anon
>>96806981Fair enuff. Thought the daemonettes had 8 udders tho.
>>96807605Yeah, I think they did a pretty good job with Necromunda, but I dont have time or space to build a tables-worth of Mordheim terrain after my necromunda stuff, and I cant just spray some mdf and call it a day either.
>>96807319>formless distortionBe'lakor>malevolent artificeHashut>ravenous dissolutionHorned Rat>encroaching ruinMorghurWas I right?
>>96807567Morghur is a Warhammer 40,000 character in power scale terms in the Warhammer Fantasy setting. He is like a demon posessed chaos space marine dropped in the war of the roses. He isn't fair. He's HIM.
>>96807683Its kind of implied malevolent artifice doesn't exist yet and thats what the tech themed demon prince in 40ks end goal is to become.
>>96802509I like female models when they have the proper character or fill an archetype (athletic sexy assassin, wizened old crone, even "big mean bitch"). I just think it's boring when they're merely genderswapped male warriors. It also feels like insincere, ingratiating pandering when it's done thoughtlessly.
>>96807718depends on the army. Nurgle dont give a fuck whats between your legs as long as it can get an infection and necromancers certainly dont give a tinkers fig what makes up their max size zombie murderball.
>>96807385Not true. I know an obese one obsessed with star wars and marvel who is married to a fat woman
>>96807550Morghur does badly need a new model, the original just looks like a not even particularly imposing generic lvl 3 Beastman Shaman when in the lore he makes beings like Ariel and the Fey Enchantress squirt and piss themselves in fear
Morghur is fun because his brand of chaos is more primordial than any of the others. He’s a rabid animal that doesn’t care about rules or restrictions, and him entering the world is often portrayed in the way a feral crackhead would press up against a tent wall, trying to get in but too stupid to use the door.He’s the slasher villain of chaos gods. The Kujo.
>>96803955lol Classic.>>96804008No worries mate, here you go.
>>96807732Sure, yeah, I agree. Being able to point at which armies can have explanations for it is part of not doing it thoughtlessly.
>>96806825What’s with all the boomers in here coping about primitive looking metals being superior to the wild new refresh?
>>96807567Reborn into the world of Mallus almost three centuries ago, some time in the twenty-third century IC, the creature known as Morghur was far from a Human child. With tooth and horn, he ripped his mother apart in his gory entrance to the world, while her features mutated horribly. Her distraught husband reached forwards to strangle the twisted abomination, yet as his hands touched the foul creature, his body also was wracked with hideous mutation.Days later, when a group of travelling adventurers arrived at the small community on the outskirts of the dark Forest of Arden, they found it in absolute chaos. Recorded in the tragic Bretonnian poem Requiem, it is said that men crawled around in the mud like animals, their hands turned to hooves and limbs twisted and rearranged. The livestock walked around on hind legs, speaking in unfathomable tongues as they devoured each other.>>96807631>With some thinking his creepy little minion is in fact Morghurs infantNah, GW refuted this in warcom article called "Old World Almanack – The Children of Chaos"
>>96807690>demon posessed chaos space marineHe corrupts nature across the entire planet just by existing at any given time, he's far worse. One of the few planet-wide threats in the setting with the added annoyance of being unkillable.
>>96807009>>96807050I know I am probably responding to pnigger but this is a nonsensical statement. They are the opposite of AoS. They are grounded and look like guys that come from a frozen shithole. Covered in furs and leathers to keep warm. They look great and are more realistic/grounded than old marauders. Amazing sculpts that are the exact opposite of AoS and what you’d see out of historical sculptors if they had the same talent.
>>96807385Andy can be a fag sometimes but he’s been in the industry so long, and so thoroughly involved with the WHFRP process since 2e, that I can’t treat him as an expert in the lore. I don’t have to agree with him, but his opinions hold weight.
>>96807791Can’t NOT treat him, god damn I need to stop posting on this phone.
>>96807747>Tzeench: Freddy Krueger>Nurgle: Candyman>Khorne: Jason Vorhees>Slaanesh: Pinhead>Great Horned Rat: Leprechaun>Malal: Ghostface>Morghur: Micheal Myers>Hashut: Leatherface>Belakor: Hannibal Lector
>>96807749Ayyyy you’re the best anon
>>96807764Is Morghur a Brettonian?
>>96807789>PERRYSI agree with you though, I like the new sculpts
>>96807812>Nurgle: Candyman>Say his name three times to summon him>"Sweets for the sweet">Tries to charm you into "being my victim">Insect familiars>You have to choose to let him in>Spreads like a thought virusThats actually pretty good.
>>96807829I think his initial incarnation, or at least the first one we see in the lore, was Bretonnian, yes. Kek.
Surely people just 3d print the Morghur model from TWW cleaned up by some hobby autist.
>>96807829No, just one of his many reincarnations.Morghur, known in ancient times as the "Shadowgave," the "Master of Skulls", Gor-Dum among the Dwarfs and to the Wood Elves simply as Cyanathair, "The Corruptor," is an ancient, highly mutated and wholly unkillable Beastlord and Great Bray-Shaman who has terrorised the forested woodlands of the Old World for many millennia.Beastmen revere Morghur, believing that his spirit walked the mortal world even before the birth of their race in the Great Catastrophe; he is the incarnation of disorder and pure Chaos. They set out from thousands of miles away to stand in his presence, drawn to him by urges they do not question; a tainted pilgrimage that often destroys them.>>96807848You're wrong, first one we see in lore is Season of Withering (-1094 to -625 IC)
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>>96807812>>Khorne: Jason VorheesKek that fits so well>STOP HAVING SEX>NOW DIE
>>96807885I wouldn't be shocked if the reason Beastmen look so uniform is that long, long, long ago Mogrhur fucked his way across the old world and like Genghis Khan his bloodline is so widespread and every "random" mutation is just his descendant losing the lottery and having his blood take over.
>>96807886I always thought Master of Skulls was a weird epithet for him. Given his eternal and primordial theme, I would have figured his title would have been something with “ceaseless” or “unending.”
>>96807911>Gavebeasts occur more commonly when Morghur is around because mutation rates are higher due to his presence>But its actually because his presence wakes up dormant genes in his thousands of descendants across the empireThats bullshit but i believe it.
What faction should i start with if i want my army being lead by a spell caster?I always like characters that have good ranged abilities but are weak in melee and maybe have some kind of a henchman that does all the heavy lifting when it comes to close combat. I was thinking vampire counts led by a necromancer but apparently they are legends faction
>>96807911>The shocking horror that deep in a white mans ancestry is a none white manWelcome back Howard Phillips
>>96807938It sounds like you are looking for Tomb Kings. Specifically the Mortuary Cult army which is led only by liche priests (spellcasters)
>>96807938Most armies have the possibility of being led by a spellcaster.
>>96807938Friend let me tell you about Brayshamans.Every few years a Gor is born, often to human parents who abandon them in the woods, who has been touched by the ruinous powers. They are raised up as leaders and prophets due to the powers they possess.They can twist and warp flesh, make men devolve into monsters, cause arrows fired upon them to turn into harmless frogs or make it rain sickly tar that slows and binds their enemies.They are the reason you don't go out into the woods alone, and never into the deeper places out of sight of the road. They are the chaos and raw fury of a natural disaster on two legs.
>>96807938Anyone but Empire or Dwarfs.High elves, WoC or Tomb King are you best bet
NEW WFRP EDITION!!!!ITS ESSENTIALLY THE SAME THEYRE JUST PUTTING ALL THE RULES FROM 4E INTO ONE BOOKAWESOMEEEE
>>96801524Heya Perrynigger how's the wife? >>96801329People don't hate Perry Miniatures, they hate and despise the individual known as Perrynigger because he's the resident troll(I remain suspicious that all the various resident trolls of the various generals are just the same shitposting retard, given how common it is that the toll of one thread goes dormant right as the troll of another begins a fresh tantrum). He doesn't own Warhammer models(note: I didn't say GW models, Perrynigger, just models *for* Warhammer, which you don't have, you rancid historical-posting shiteating poofter), he doesn't play Warhammer games, he has no actual interest in Warhammer. His only purpose is to come in and lay out a big stinky log of shit, giggle at everyone's disgusted reaction, and then leave again.
>>96808000Isn't that what most of the playerbase wanted?
>>96807938If you want what you're describing and only within current Core factions, then either Empire, Bretonnia, or TK. Elite-heavy Empire with lots of Greatswords is probably your best bet for "Glass cannon wizard leading a bunch of tough melee guys/ranged attacking screeners to block an enemy advance"
>>96808000This isn't twitter there is no need to wobble your jhonnies as default reaction here kitten.
>>96808010>>96807991Damn, I didn't even think of WoC or HE. Yeah, they have strong wizards and great melee options too. There's also Wood Elves, you could have a gay level 4 wizard be tucked into a unit of archers and protected by a massive army of trees.
I have bought about £200 in Beastmen this weekend and its your fault. Beastniggers shill game was simply too good.
>>96807988Brayshamans are amazing, but don't match his description, because they can annihilate most of the enemies even in plain melee combat thanks to their impressive statline (physique).
>>96808034Bray Shamans are the jocks of wizards school pushing bright wizards in lockers and giving necromancers swirlys for dissing their flygirl.
>>96807911>>96807925How can he have human descendants if anything that comes near him turns to mutated primordial goo?
>>96807789>Look better sculptedAgreed>Grounded and RealisticCringe, I take it back.
>>96808067>5000 years before the birth of Sigmar>Oh luck over there grug son of krug, one of them chaos spawns in the woods>Yarp so it be>....seven vaginas>W-what?>Imagine.
>>96808033Hell yeah, brother
>>96808033Welcome brØther
>>96808001You're less of a schizo faggot than I thought you were, I'm going to stop Crockerposting now. I, long cocked chad, use HYW Perry models as proxies for Bretonnian levies and am in no way affiliated with Perrynigger, I just don't like my archers and men at arms looking like 5'4 shit-soaked invalids.
>>96808033Soon the Gavebeasts shall own this place.
>>96808125You didn't laugh at my very funny Pointy Bits post and that hurt my feelings. I will now grind your herdstone into dust
>>96808023HE might have specifically what you want actually and it's not swordmasters. Wizard general + white lions their bodyguard rule gives you a unit where any model can accept challenges for your squishy mage. I think the only other army that can pull it off except Brets with damsels but that's a different vibe.
>>96807789If that’s what you need to use as cope be my guest, doesn’t change the fact these are awful to hobby with. But sure, they’re pretty. Not my chaos marauders though, never will be.
>>96808147>*raises two more herdstones*Become ungovernable. Stones are free idiot.
>>96808151KOTR on foot with a damsel/prophetess in the unit has powerful WAACunt deathstar potential, but I just put a comfy level 2 with zero magic items in my unit for fun thematic reasons. You absolutely could run a level 4 Illusion prophetess with a Frontier Axe and wreck tits in combat, but that would be insanely fucking gay and no one would want to play with you again after that.
>>96808086>>96808097beast pls got.Empire
>>96808197no
>>96808197No.
>>96808177>still didn't laugh at my very funny postSTINKING GORFLEGI SCUM
>>96808256i am above your japes and jackanapes tiny man, built like melted candle.
How the fuck are well over 75% of modelposters in this thread beastmen players. I thought they were a fairly low tier popularity army but all of you fucksrs are in here for some reason.
>>96808197I will shit in your pot
>>96808033>he fell for it.
>>96808291cuz beastmen are cool
>>96808291Nigga they squatted us in Age of Sigmar bro. This is all we have.They squatted us!
>>96808316>They squatted usi'm out of the loop and getting back in the hobby, explain.
>>96808291I'm a BretonniGOD but I'm stuck in moldline hell for a very infantry-heavy army with a busy IRL schedule, I don't want to spam the thread with my grey plastic and Szechuan gutter oil resin and bare lead for months on end
>>96808329Games Workshop straight up said "Hey Beasts of Chaos players in Age of Sigmar? yeah you are done. You are now legends shitters and by the end of the year you are thanos snapped".No end times event. No narrative reason at all. Just a whole army deleted from an ongoing game mid edition.
>>96808295>>96808238>>96808218
Alright, give me your best Beastmen memes & images.So far, most of my collection is restricted to tzaangors.
>>96808316You literally got better. Moving them to TOW was the best thing that could happen to beastie boys. Coming home.
>>96807175You want me to look at the skeletons of English horse archers?
>>96808329>i'm out of the loop and getting back in the hobby, explainNta but>Sigmar beastman get fluffy rules and endless spells, people love them >3rd edition sigmar was "the era of the beast" making people think its about beastman and a range refresh >its swamp orcs and beast man get squatted from sigmar
>>96808352
>>96808316Thank goodness, no gor should be forced to fight Inner Cities of Sigmar denizens or San Francisco Stormcasts. Beastmen have standards.
>>96808355Yeah but its the principle of the thing. In the middle of an edition. The absolute audacity of it.
>>96808316>VC (seemingly)>Beastmen>CathayWow, quite a large investment you have there.
>>96808034Orc shamans compete physically toe to toe with brayshamans in a fight, and are very likely better combatants than brayshamans due to orcs being what they are. But yes I mostly agree with you.
>>96808291It's because a desperateness to rape (but only within the context of being protected by your gang of stronger friends) is the defining state of mind of 4chan posters.
>>96808390i'm just doing 500 points of vampires for the new game mode to tric- get friends to try the game.>necromancer acolyte with rod de noir>wight lord with sword of striking>10 ghouls>11 grave guard with standard>30 zambambos>5 dire wolvessimple as, appy days
>>96808397Hmm, maybe I should start a Beastman army after all
>>96808387That was a dick move, sure, but in reality it was a blessing in disguise. This might be the only instance in whole GW history when squating whole faction was actually a GOOD thing.
So lets say i want to maybe just as a joke start a little beastmen army on the side of my empire army, just for laughs ha ha.Where do i start?
>>96808405>497/500 pointsYou give that wight a shield for 3 points and thats impressive points jewery.
>>96808405>rod de noirAyo dis necromantic nigga got black rods on da brain ahahaha, you mean the Sceptre of De Noirot nigga? Shiet, always knew you was fruity like that
>>96808291Find me another army that lets me make shitty kitbash freaks as a legitimate unique unit like its 1993.
>>96808458what the fuck am i looking at.
>>96808476Radical Larry and the Lurgey Lads. Pre greenstuffin'
>>96808476Warped Gors my dude.https://tow.whfb.app/unit/warped-gorsBeastmen have become very kitbash friendly with the warped gors and the herdstone being encouraged to be built by the players
