Tribal Block Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025>NewsThe 2025 MagicCon and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>96810626>TQWhat are your favorite keyword abilities?
>>96820387>tqAdventure cards
People don't expect much from the Ninja Turtles.
>>96820407Jeezus
>>96820407Kawabummer
>>96820407Was there a poll for 2025?
>>96820387>state of nu MTGthat's itI'M GOING TO CAST ITYES, IT
Rat Demon Guide2BBCreature - Rat DemonWhen this creature enters, each opponent discards a card, and you lose that much life.Exile this card from your hand: Add B and you lose 2 life1/1
>>96820825Make it MR and you can cut the cost to 1B.
>>96820823
How about we make Elves but they are caveman almost ape like uga buga living in caves and using sticks to fight?While we are at that we may as well make Slivers with 4 limbs and humanoid face and Kavus that are scientists and artifices!How about we also make Cephalids that looks like humans except they are blue?We can also Dragons without wings walking on foot and without a "breath weapon"!Contract me WotC!
>>96820866He's a common.
>>96820407That's not very pizzariffic.
>>96820387>tqKICKER like Kavu Titan
SLOP FOR THE SLOP GOD
>>96820607This but unironicallySF is so gay it could make Mcdonalds worse
>>96821050But is it gayer than Bolas?
>>96820407>people are still that excited for more Marvelslop in 2025>even after the Spidercuck setJesus. It's like a religion.
>>96821053Nothing is gayer than Bolas.
If we all are pigs… Where is the ATLA slop?
>>96820407>the most expected UB set of 2026 is this absolute shit>not a single UB set overcomes the 10% of hypeMmmm, mister Nosewater? I thought the whole majority of players accepted and were fairly enthusiastic about foreign IPs into Magic and sell the game like the cheapest whore in town? maybe there is more than pigs into this playerbase?also Marvel subhumans deserve to be erased.
We're gonna eat good
https://newsroom.hasbro.com/news-releases/news-release-details/hasbro-reports-third-quarter-2025-financial-results>Hasbro revenue grew 8%>WotC revenue grew 55%BASED WotC dabbing on chuds who want the game to die! UB enjoyers won!
>>96821809>we're currently mapping out the early 2030's
>>96821809>20302030>20302030>20302030>20302030>2030 with UB shits and K-pop, Twilight novel or SpongeBob real set all of them in the realm of possibilities for future of Magic.Never, NEVER more cooked that currently, the game will become Cummander paradise at the cost of real Magic dying.
>>96821809>mapping 2030
>>96821809how many sets a year we will have in 2030 anons? maybe 1 each month? more than one? pigs need slop
>arrive at my LGS>big dude crying outside>his friend hugs him and tries to calm him down telling him it will be alright>listen in>I..I can't take it anymore. Week after week I get focused out first for playing Korvold. My deck is not even that strong, it's just not fair!Is there a positive correlation between playing EDH and being gay?
>>96821867New set every week generated by AI
>>96821809say something nice about Mr. Mark Rosewater, the man that will control your game for the next decade, UB IPs included.
>>96821874Unironically this, except it'll be once a month. They'll try to market it as serialized expansions of the card pool while the cards and mechanics will all be bland and trivial, yet still pushed enough that you'll have to purchase from it to stay competitive in various formats. All objections will be overridden with data demonstrating that the line went up and that this clearly shows what the players really want.
>>96821809>KPop Demon Hunters>WWE>Harry Potter>Family Guy>Game of Thrones>Godfather>Hello Kitty>Kingdom Hearts>Lord of the Rings (again)>The Muppet Show>Stranger Things>Sailor Moon>Roblox>Skyrim>Star Wars>World of WarcraftMy dad works at wotc, this is the roadmap up to 2030
>>96821986>16 UBs over 5 yearsThis is a lie because there's no way it will be fewer than 5 per year
>>96821809>support all five colorsI feel like we dodged a bullet there
>>96822001Worry not, they are in negotiations with Nintendo for various IPs such as Zelda and Disney for Pirates of the Caribbean
>>96822033Wasn't there a vaacum cleaner fifth character?
>>96821874you copy my post fucker >>96817231 i demand royalties
>>96821809
>>96822001It's 4 years, we already know what's on the platter for 26 (Slop). You only need 20 and even less when you consider the shoo-in repeats.>>96821986More or less. I would substitute a few of the more out of place ideas for Warhammer or something like that, if I was betting my money.>>96822056Yes but a vacuum would be Colorless
>>96821986>Roblox>Hello Kitty>WarcraftBASED now i will become a PIG!
>>96821809>mapping out early 2030's
>>96822114He's clearly blue. UB colors are not representative of the personality of the characters, it's all about matching the color palette of the character design not to confuse new players.I'd personally like Warhammer Fantasy, but it's hard to get a license for anything else than 40k.
>>96821986My card
>>96821809>2030 WILL have UB garbage too>6+ sets a year non stopping>More UB than actual Magic sets>We have AT LEAST 5 more years worth of shitty IPs to keep prostituting Magic:The GatheringNo salvation.
>>96821809I'm going to find this mans shareholders and hold them hostage, because god knows he won't care more about his family than the precious fucking shareholders. MaRo, you're DONE.
Just call the game Universes Beyond now. Magic is dead.
>>96822322I really hope Fractured Reality will be about Jace closing the omenpath, marking an end of the hat sets. It would be hilariously sad if we kept getting hat sets in between the UB madness.
>>96822377Even WotC has to realize that the omenpath approach is a complete failure at this point, right?
>>96822377It's going to mark the start of the gay romance arc between Ugin and Bolas.
>>96821809>We've got so many IPs left to exploit!
4chan Universes Beyond.Stat her.
>>96821809>mapping out early 2030’s
There's universe somewhere where:>OG frames are still used>blocks exist>you can buy only draft boosters and 60card precons>no commander products, not even precons>MTGA doesnt exist>foils dont curl>Terese and Seb are still making art for MTG>SL doesnt exist>Modern Horizons don't exist>Maro died in car crash
>>96821809How can he say this shit when they are already running back to LOTRLying sack of shit
>>96821913His stepmother is a nice lady that I know personally. She's scared of him. I think that says enough.
>>96822462I mean they could do a FF set dedicated to each single game except for maybe the very first.
>>96822462Because Lotr was best selling set ever after FF. And Hasbro wants the line to go up.
>>96821986Kingdom Hearts is a legal nightmare. Getting Sora in smash was difficult as hell, don't see MTG touching it while lorcana exists
>only once per turn>nonland permanent >(tap) only as a sorcery>finality counter>after casting, exile this fardAll gay artifical handbrakes
>>96822616>Whenever you cast your second spell each turn
>>96822626>if this card would be put into a graveyard from anywhere, shuffle it into your library
>>96822647>Artifact - Vehicle
>>96820407>the hobbit this lowwhat happened? lotr was a smash hit
>>96822739ub fatigue
>>96821809ah a clear message ppl can drop this game for the next 6 years at least, straight from the source
>>96822452Even better>MaRo was fired instead of put back into design after the Weatherlight expansion.>TSR doesn't go belly up, we get Pete Venters MTG rpg instead. >WotC lost the bid for Pokemon to Ironcrown Games or White Wolf, never bought out by Hasbro. >No Hasbro, no new card frame.>No SL, NO MH or Masters sets. Also:>No Maro. no free mechanic from Urza's>No MaRo, no dredge>No MaRo, no Cumpanions>No MaRo, no scifi sets (including Mirrodin)>No MaRo, no sabotage of Saviors of Kamigawa.>No Raffinity>no JTMS
I don't give a fuck. I've not played paper Magic since og Zendikar. I only play on Arena, and casually playing make enough gold to buy 50 packs with every set release.
>>96822387Omenpaths are fine. It's literally just "There's planar portals around. Some are stable, some are random". You can do a ton of stuff with that. Shithole planes spilling out refugees/monsters onto less fucked planes, interplanar wars, races encountering their counterparts from other planes. The problem is just that WotC chose to do fucking nothing with it except having some non-planeswalker named characters show up somewhere else. Where the fuck is my interplanar vampire cartel? Where is my set about Thalia leading her people across the planes to the promised land? Where is my Kamigawa-Kaladesh planar war?>Sorry, best we can do is gay cowboys and a spooky mansion>How about some Spider-Man instead? :^)
>>96822739People like LOTR. People just kinda... Know the Hobbit. It doesn't help that the LOTR movies are great, and the Hobbit movies... Exist.
>>96821809Mapping out doesn't actually mean they have sets planned for that far ahead, it's more they have concepts for what might be there. UB sets take about 4-ish years to actually be made overall so nothing's set in stone after about 2028.
Cute Summer of Magic art that got made for Australia for some reason. Who let Tezzeret in the car.
>>96823214>lootit's shit
>>96820387My favorite precon deck.Really liked Coldsnap and in general 2000s mtg art. 90's also had good stuff, but some of it was too zany for me in style.
What will Magic get for spookyween?
>>96822153>I'd personally like Warhammer Fantasy,That might be one UB I would like, provided they do not pozz it, somehow. Warhammer Invasion had some cool art and sexy dark elf ladies.
>>96822387>>96823087If they make planes too mushed up and bland (truly, globohomo) then they are boring and bad. If they are used sparingly, then they are ok.
>>96822420Yotsuba, Queen of 4chanG1/1When Yotsuba enters, you gain 4 lifeFortune - {T}: create a treasure tokenSummon Anons - {T}, Exert Yotsuba: Create two 1/1 white Human creature tokens
>>96823293Well the intent seems to be to have only occasional cameo appearances outside of big 'crossover-y' sets. Like for example Lorwyn's only Omenpath visitors will be the Strixhaven students (and there'll be a Planeswalker I'm sure). Reality Fracture will presumably be the next one of that ilk, though unlike OTJ and DFT there's at least more of a clear 'reason' for why that'd be a thing.
>>96822420Old 4chan would have made a set like that themselves. >>96822795Anyone play on xMage, Forge? Dare I ask, MTGO?
>>96821809>currently mapping out the early 2030'sthe "five Marvel sets" theory was correctit is literally so over
>>96822153>it's all about matching the color palette of the character design not to confuse new players.so I'm not the only one who noticed that the Fire Nation shouldn't be red lol
>>96823087>It's literally just "There's planar portals around. Some are stable, some are random".no it's NOT fine, the coolest thing about magic from lorwyn onward is that the planes existed independently of each other, that's why they went through so much trouble to contrive a lore retcon with the Mending
>>96823214Oh shit it's loot. Imagine being a mascot and then disappearing from your game for like a whole year.
>>96823335I played MTGO waay back when, when they gave you like a free deck to fuck around with. Not sure if they do it anymore. I also tried those card lending schemes. I don't know man, I am not doing it anymore.Never tried any of the emulators truth to be told. I don't have much free time to play games anymore, so I appreciate that Arena is just click go, you don't have fun alt+f4 and nobody cares.
>>96823360The Fire Nation's Red/Black which very much fits with an aggressive imperialist nation?
>>96821500>ATLAI only care about 3 things for them. If they make good looking cards for Azula, Suki and June. No more, no less.
>>96823293I think it can be used radically. In fact, my problem is that WotC isn't using it radically enough. If you're not going to use it in a radical way, then why bother at all? Just for fucking cameos? Fuck off.
Meng for me.
>>96823520I'm sure "X Plane vs Y Plane" sets are at least being concepted. Kamigawa vs Ikoria for example, mechs vs monsters.
>>96821809Yum
>>96823394They have more marketable mascots from other companies now Wait till the star wars set with baby yoda
>>96823214I want to run loot over with that car I hate that little stupid fucking beast.
>>96823573Probably at least one set, but it's shocking to me that it would take so long when this kind of shit seems like one of your first ideas when you introduce the concept of easy interplanar travel. Instead we got Kellan dicking around and a bunch of villains doing a gay cowboy LARP party. Somehow in these past few years, the only remotely impactful use of the omenpaths was fucking whacky races.Fucking whacky races.Jesus.
>>96823381I always thought the most interesting thing was when a plane had some oddity that was a result of some oldwalker fucking around. Like slivers or, hell, the entirety of Mirrodin.
>>96823426in descending order they should be white then black then red. black first if you want to emphasis the invasion aspect. zuko's cards have him literally malding about his jealousy and ambitions which is the most black thing ever but nope they're red because fire and also he wears redZuko's in Mardu colors for his Rare but let's be honest they only did that so he could have more color identity for coommanderthe only Fire Nayshun character we see on a white card is uncle Iroh in this card because he's standing in front of the WHITE lotus (get it?? it's a white card because the lotus is WHITE)
Hellsing UB when? What colors they would be? Alucard would be Rakdos, Seras would be Boros, Integra Izzet and Walther Azorius.
>>96822795Is buying packs on Arena worth it at all?Me personally, I save all my gold for drafts. (I don't even pay for the Mastery Pass, it is too stingy).
>>96824010I play only Pioneer so I don't have the push to collect all the chase cards. But I also play shitbrews exclusively, so I like to have a lot of cards to pick from. 50 packs give you enough in the form of cards, and wildcards, to build what you generally want.
>>96823986Anderson should be WWWWW and have Regenerate and Hexproof.
>>96823214Fake news i don't see Spiderman, Cloud or even future Magic characters like Spock.
>>96824317But the cards I want banned are the expensive cards
Ive been enjoying this game so much lately by just putting on blinders to new stuff and just playing pauper and premodern. I recommend you all do the same.
>>96823956I'd argue they're Black first, then Red, then White. They want conquest for control's sake, but also a lot of it is just for power's sake on the part of the Fire Lord. Ozai doesn't really care about controlling the world, he just wants to have the power that comes from that, hence him being Black.
>>96824347>rule34's first page searching for both charactersmy mistake, I checked xxx and not paheal
>>96824347Speaking of that, Magic's rule34 is surprisingly lacking in numbers.
>>96824395no it's not. magic is super small specially these days and no amount of shilling or pr marketing lies will change that especially now that ub is making enfranchised players leave
>>96823956They've got a strong notion of discipline, which you could place as White, but I wouldn't put it as their defining trait. For all of Zuko's talk about honor, the society as a whole doesn't put much emphasis on it. I don't think we see a single honest Agni Kai duel in the whole show. Zuko seems to be the only person who takes the concept seriously. The leadership is almost gleeful to use underhanded tactics and use sacrificial pawns. Aggression and ambition tends to be rewarded over teamwork or morality.The Fire Nation is Black first, then Red, and then a little White.
>>96824317are you saying i must be forced to play against Vivi, Cutter, Mice package, Nemesis or ? Fuck that man.
>>96821809Whats MaRos goal, he already made cash, does he really wants to achieve Richard Garfield Status?He is doing the opposite, he is only going to be remember as the corpo shill that ran magic into the ground
>>96823986I think Walter would have to have two cards, or a transforming one. I'd be considering Dimir for him, or at least nearer to the end.Heck, with that, you could have most of the rest the rest be able to transform for what they become. Though I'm not certain what Integra would flip to be.
>>96824478magic's already been run to the ground thanks to this idiot's design "philosophy" where everything is doubledouble tokens, double effects, double cards, dfc, flashback, modal, etc etcthis fucking retard and his autism has poluted this game beyond salvation
>>96824505>hating flashback>hating charmsSilence, low intelligence tripfag
My favourite planeswalker is Gideon Jura. I know he died in War of the Spark, but will we ever see him again? Maybe resurrected? Maybe as a zombie? Maybe as a callback? I hope so.
Any Premodern tournament players?What's up with Goblins suddenly crushing events.
>>96824881The Fractured Reality will adopt the Boom comics timeline, so in a way.
>>96824881I get angry every time I see Liliana, Gideon dies for her sins and she'll do some stupid shit and not learn
>>96825012
>>96825012I always hate how they had her be this evil, vile, angel-killing, demon cocksucking whore of a cunt, and then try to force some redemption arc after Gideon white knights himself for her. Just look at the reprint art of LOTV where the artist depicts her as all mopey sad looking and “uwu I’m so shy now, peas forgive me?”Nah, Garruk should have finished choking that bitch to death.
They've announced yet another of their Untold Stories comics, this time about Jace. Unclear what ABOUT Jace, but apparently more during his Consortium years.
>>96825113It's gonna be about the time he walked in on Ugin and Bolas having sex and it gave him so much brain damage it explains his actions from OTJ onward.
>>96825113It might also just be sort of an overview of his whole life story because one of the covers has Vraska, Tajic... I'm not sure who the minotaur is and also Adeliz is there for some reason.
>>96825113>but apparently more during his Consortium years.That cover is clearly him chilling on Ixalan though.
>>96825152Yeah, could be meant to be what the fuck he was up to between Zendikar Rising and All Will Be One, he was just sort of not around for that period.
>>96820407>People don't expect much from the Ninja Turtles.Cause it looks like shit.>>96821514They will point to Final Fantasy and truly unfortunately Lord of the Rings sales so show people want them even if their current wave will flop. Which I expect all upcoming ones will with the exception of *maybe* Avatar.At least FF was actually faithful and a well done set. Avatar seems like it will be similar in that regard.>>96822739Hopefully they realized that LotR was a bastardization and now they expect The Hobbit to be similar.
>>96824661block and do not interact. this dude has to be a plant so there is something more toxic than hasbro in this thread.
>>96821913As a pig I have to admit: Nosewater makes some delicious slop.
>>96821913I do actually like how communicative he is. I like going through the design docs he posts, these are always very interesting reads
>>96821913He is the lighting rod for WOTC and Hasbro. He doesn't deserve much of the shit he's getting.
>>96824505based. fuck doubling every fucking set
>>96825563now THIS is a plant if I've ever seen one
>>96825580Shit on Cocks, people who are actually making decisions.
why
>>96823255This is what Commander wanted to be but was never able to. Iconic art, deck with personality, Something simple that people want to buy. I wish WotC wasn't as retarded as they are. Brawl had a good chance of being good but wotc fucked it.The sad thing is: they saw how good the guild kits did but they were unable to do 1+1...
>>96825631Was confused what you meant at first, but yeah. The oversaturation of the colors kinda saps some of the "horror" vibes from the card.
>>96825583no-one has ever said anything positive about cocks but that doesn't mean MaNo should get a break either
>>96825631they think new players get confused and put a counter on every Stromkirk Noble in play instead of only the one that did the damage
>>96825631>>96825674Because Foundations isn't an Innistrad set. To be visually cohesive with Foundations means removing the beige filter of Innistrad.
>>96825724misreplied but who cares
Arena Vintage Cube is going to have no Alchemy Cards and no Initiative Cards.It's essentially just Vintage Cube.How can Arena get a win that big?
>>96825376Trans hands typed this>>96825571ty fuck doubling indeed it's for severe low iq morons
MUST CONSOOOOOOOOOM SLOOOOOOP
>>96823986Stuff like this pisses me off because as much as I want wotc to stop pumping out so many UBs if they did Hellsing they would have me lapping that shit up like a good little piggy.
>>96826025kek
>>96826092Its not that hardHell im a TNG superfan, and Im I'm limiting myself to JLP and the enterprise D
>>96823956Do note that, while color identity is primarily tied to ethos, it's also tied to the literal magical abilities a character uses. Regardless of personality, a pyromancer is red because fire is tied to red mana.
>>96826092I'm a huge fan of Final Fantasy, but I haven't picked up a single card from the UB. It helps that they absolutely butchered my favorite character and my favorite FF games got shafted in favor of more fellation of the most popular entries.
>>96820387>TQIslandwalk
>>96826092>literal Nazis>fanatical Catholics>no black peopleProblematic. Maybe there were some blacks in Wild Geese, I cannot remember.
Nebraska boomin
>>96826933>Nebraska boominWizards of the Coast?More like Wizards of the Corn xD
>>96826933>are all at record levels.Literally fucking where. In what universe. At what LGS. WHERE IS THIS THE CASE LITERALLY ANYWHERE IN THE FUCKING WORLD.
>>96826933NEBRASKA CHADS RISEEEEE
>>96826933i don't believe a single corpo faggot lie.
>>96826933> sales in new channels like MassThe fuck is that?
>>96826933>2030 UB shit already decided>The suits tell every investor game is doing "good">The revenues of Hasbro and WotC in particulary growIs a good time to leave this game, bros?
>>96827100>Is a good time to leave this game, bros?A good time to leave the game was fucking ten years ago.A better question is:For what reason have you kept wading through this shit swamp?
>>96827095They sell MTG packs at Catholic Mass across continental Europe now. The Catholic church was hoping to get more kids interested in the religion.
>>96821913>say something nice about Mr. Mark RosewaterOne day he will die.
>>96827137You have problems dude.
>>96827042It's called "fudging the numbers before the inevitable"
>>96827042the market works like the WAAAGH in Warhammer.You're not allowed to do anything that might cause the investors to think the game is doing badly because that would have dire economic consequences
>>96823986All I see is "OINKOINKOINK"
>lived long enough to see your hobby turn into smash brothershow do you call this curse?
>>96827567The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
>>96826933I just don't get it. They keep telling me that Magic is doing better than ever. More Magic cards are being sold than ever. More people playing than ever. More people attending events than ever. More enthusiasm than ever. Every record ever is broken every time. But everything I see with my eyes indicates decline. The content creators are tired. The stores are empty. The metas are stagnant.How much can they blatantly lie to investors? When does this cross the threshold into fraud?
>>96827651But anon! Think about the revenue!!! Hasbro is increasing! WotC is increasing!! The wheel keeps turning! The line goes up!!! So all things considered the current policies including UB sets must continue until the line goes so up you can’t see it!
It's absolutely true.
pigs won, deal with it, or leave.
>>96827697n-no they're just lying to all their investors trust me anon I alone know the truth!
>>96824317Finally someone who agrees that all formats should be abolished with a single eternal format with 60 cards, no copy limit, and no bans. I want to see what the abolute best strategy is with all the gloves off.
I disagree.
>>96827771They're not lying.Gutting the future of a company is extremely profitable short-term
>>96827651Scalpers are the only customers they care about right now
Retarded newfag with a question. Do counters negate each other? Specifically talking about persist, I'm thinking of adding a card with it to my deck. Theory crafting so far but...if I have to add a -1/-1 counter, can I add a +1/+1 to remove it or will it have both and thus die for good next time it dies?
>>96827842Specifically those two counters do negate each other, yes.
>>96827842Yes, those two have a specific interaction where they'll actually remove each other, not just cancel out. So if you add one of each you'll end up with a creature that has no counters. It's a pretty common way to abuse persist creatures.
>>96827842They do if it's an equal amount of each. It'll be like the creature has no counters at all.
>>96827818>They definitely are only getting short-term profits from this and literally no new players are sticking around
Even if JOTC went bankrupt they would still never apologize or admit fault. Straight out of you-know-who’s playbook
>>96827894They will say that the company was destroyed by antisemitism and anti-scientific crowd (and they have internal data to show)
>>96827888>They definitely are only getting short-term profits from this definitely outweighs mid and long term in the decision chain. >and literally no new players are sticking aroundsome players are sticking around, but the damage being done to the game is structural and no realistic amount of new blood can fix that
>>96821809>5 years planned of total slop-pocalyseI didn't have much hope of MtG becoming playable anytime soon, but now I have none.
>>96827771No, seriously, who the fuck are these people who were apparently buying tons of EOE and SPM? Where do they buy Magic? Where do they play Magic? How do they play Magic?The only rational explanation I can come up with is some massive invisible majority of normalfags that exclusively buys from Amazon or big-box stores and then just sits on their cards at home except for the occasion that they can coerce a relative or friend into playing some kitchen table with them. That, or there's some critical underestimation of just how many pure collectors and speculators are out there.
>>96827935>play>MagicBros scalpers are the target audience ... Magic isn't a game anymore. It is a collector hobby.Forget about your Johnny Timmy Spike.
>>96827922>some players are sticking aroundI'll believe it when I see it. I'll be curious to see the numbers 5 or 10 years from now. Call me a cynic, but I think if the only reason you got into Magic was the LotR set or Spiderman or whatever, in that amount of time a new shiny product will probably distract the goyims mind and they'll throw money at something new because it features (X thing they like and hopeless throw money at).
>>96827945what should we call him? bibi? rudy? jordan?
>>96827953reminds me when Nintendo when all in on casual gamers turns out casual gamers are fickle
>>96827957Jessica (commander creature)Shekelberg (scalper)Cuck (collector)
>>96827922>>96827953I'd love to see data on player retention from UB sets, but realistically WotC is the only people capable of collecting the data on a statistically significant scale and their word can't be trusted for shit.
>>96827971These people don't care about player retention. They care about the churn. If a set causes 25% playerbase to disappear but they gain 26% from scalpers and collectors it shows up as growth on the sheet.
Vorthos players in shambles
>>96827971The current data they've said is that on average, people who get into the game and actually play it because of UB tend to stick around more than people who play it on a whim. Which I'd believe, honestly, because the attachment of UB means they develop a bit more an interest in trying the game out more thoroughly than just "cards seem fun". It's definitely not pushing away that many players either, despite what you idiots here are saying. SPM flopped mostly on the basis of being just a bad set (and we still don't REALLY know how badly it did, if it just did poorly at LGSes for example, it definitely did better than DFT). The biggest buyers of UB (after already-enfranchised players which, of course) are apparently lapsed players, and then new players.Whether or not you believe this data is another thing, but market research data can be misinformed or biased but it's usually not completely 100% wrong.
>>96827988I like that we're getting comics and a novel.
>>96827988I liked Tarkir, Duskmourn, Bloomburrow, and Eternities, but all the others seemed bad. And UB is too much of a blatant cashgrab to take seriously.
>>96827997There have been comics and novels in the past and I guarantee you they are all better than whatever shit we're about to get.
>>96827988i honestly dont believe they were even real in the first place
>>96828025The first Elspeth comic issue was pretty good.
>>96828029Probably because we aren't generally interested in being competitive. If I randomly have an opportunity to reenact some shit from the lore during a game, you bet I'm going to do that, practicality be damned.
>>96828029i mean, in a world without FIRE i wouldn't mind making a thematic deck with less than ideal meta options like a Boros deck that actually felt like the Ravnica Boros guild and not a pile of goodstuff from 5 disconnected sets
AHHHH WotC banned this card! It is referencing a no-no card!
I don't get it.
>>96828015>Duskmourn>EternitiesI'm taking your card away
>>96826092I am a goy and I eat pigs
>>96821809I come back to check on /mtg/ maybe once a week now since quitting the game when they announced next years sets/pig slop meme happened. I sometimes think "maybe I was overreacting a bit." Then I see this. If you continue to buy this game you are KEKED you are getting FUCKED Maybe there's someone here who needs to read this.IT IS TIME TO QUIT. IT WILL NEVER GET BETTER. YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME AND MONEY.
>>96821913The secret lair when he gets cancer and dies will be awesome I hope they reprint Ghazban Ogress
>>96828134The only bad thing about Duskmourn was the survivor designs and the story they tried to tell. As a setting it was amazing.
>>96828177>The only bad thing about Duskmourn was the survivor designs and the story they tried to tell.gee anon, anything else?
>>96828177Even the side stories were pretty good, it was just the main story that was shit.
>>96828177>if you ignore all the modern day stuff like cheerleaders, cameras, televisions, chainsaws which were designed to set up for the New York UBs
>>96828177I dont unsderstand if they wanted to make a horror set instead of going 80's movie house set they didn't go D&D demiplane of terror
>>96828177if you also denounce the SAW/Ghostbuster references and the awful retrotech I MIGHT reconsider
Ayy lmao
>>96828177It's easier to just say the only good thing about Duskmourn was the monsters. And even then you need the caveat of not including the ones that were lame references.
>>96823255NOSTALGIA DOPAMINE HIT.The Darien starter deck was the first magic product I ever bought. I started magic in coldsnap
>>96828149Don't eat me bro. I just wanna do some commander and chill with my trans gf (male).
i just want snow lands reprints, dont care if they are shaped like dildos and pizzas
>>96828177They hated him because he told the truth. Duskmourn went way harder than it had any right to.>>96828204That's exactly what they did>demon is bound to the house>so it made the house bigger>every now and then, somebody taking an omenpath just never arrives, they end up in Duskmourn>nobody actually lives here, you just haven't died yet
>>96827988>Vorthos players in shambles>>96828029>i honestly dont believe they were even real in the first placeI guess I'll bite and say I was definitely one. I got into magic gathering almost exclusively for the pretty card art and flavor text and flavorful mechanics. I played kitchen table mtg with friends during lunch when I was in middle and high school, then when I went to college I dabbled in standard and some EDH (where I played Angel Tribal because I thought they were the prettiest)95% of my enjoyment of magic the gathering is pretty art and cool flavor text, and those old narrative short stories they'd upload on their website. Eldritch Moon was probably the last time I really liked a set for its flavor, although one Ajani short story from Kaladesh was really nice but I think I just have a soft spot for the catman because I started in Lorwyn/Shadowmoor. I'm one of the people who actually liked shit like the unofficial PlaneShift material they made for D&D and used shit like the Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica. Especially the last ~5 or so years I've played way more TTRPGs than I have MTG, but even when I barely kept up with MTG sets I'd still look at card art and use it for character art and such. I never seriously cared about competitive magic, the only real competitive format I really liked was Sealed/Draft since opening packs and playing with random stuff you get to keep is fun. https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/saint-traft-and-flight-nightmares-2016-07-13Universes Beyond means we don't get in depth explorations of a plane's culture and inhabitants and quirks anymore, we don't even get actual blocks with multiple sets within a plane, it's one-and-done tourism in between more fortnite crossovers. I don't even play in-universe magic the gathering cards if I think the art is ugly or the flavor text sucks, why the fuck would I care about ninja turtles or avatar the last airbender?
>>96828249you could Use stablished non LMAO 80's sets like Barovia or the circus
>A FUCKING BASEBALL BAT!
>>96827988>Vorthos players in shambleswait what happened now?I just opened the thread.>>96828029>i honestly dont believe they were even real in the first placei'm kinda a vorthos guy. I really like some of the art and the idea of the 5 color pie and shit.https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=WkXAAHDIN7U
>>96828208Saw references were fine; I can totally buy that some razorkin got a hardon for psychologically tormenting their victims before killing them. Ghostbusters was ridiculous, and the retrotech is covered in "survivor design".Someone succinctly summarized the problems as along the lines of "A great horror set held back by silly references that create unwanted levity."
>>96828255>I'm one of the people who actually liked shit like the unofficial PlaneShift material they made for D&D and used shit like the Guildmaster's Guide to Ravnica. Especially the last ~5 or so years I've played way more TTRPGs than I have MTG, but even when I barely kept up with MTG sets I'd still look at card art and use it for character art and such. I never seriously cared about competitive magic, the only real competitive format I really liked was Sealed/Draft since opening packs and playing with random stuff you get to keep is fun.>https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/saint-traft-and-flight-nightmares-2016-07-13one thing i dislike about it is that the magic system in MtG is so different from D&D that its feels weird to stat things in that system. i say this as someone who like D&D as well.I understand that they probably didnt want to create a whole new mana system or something, but it still feels weird to me.
>>96828261Yeah, bridge too far, but when they're not being >>96828269 THAT overt about it, it does land pretty well.
>>96826025stop posting my pictures, bro
>>96823956>>96824450what colors would you say iroh is? White/blue (and maybe red)?
>>96828269no anon, it's not only a basesball bat... it's a baseball bat for {G}{W}!
>>96828286UB confirmed into 2030 at least.
>>96828296Yeah stuff doesn't translate 1:1, there's not "mana" in D&D and the color pie vs alignments are different, but stuff like the Theros book was still really interesting and had a lot of neat mechanics and stuff that was useful even if you didn't like Magic much, like Mythic monsters, boons, the patronage system, etc. I'll certainly take that kind of crossover over Dr. Who or Star Trek
>>96828269>tap up to one target creatureseriously wasted opportunity to not make this use Stun counters, you're gonna add a fucking bat to the game and not even let it bonk people on the head?
>>96828307UW, yeah. He's big on family, stability, and honor. But he's also pretty sneaky and the whole reason he's so strong is because he's adaptable and studies traits of all elements.
>>96828333The draft archetype was for tapping your own creatures. But that archetype is "highschoolers", so fuck 'em.
>>96828335i mentioned blue because he's also about wisdom (there's also the deception and uncover aspects)
>>96828307>what colors would you say iroh is? White/blue (and maybe red)?White/Blue/Red/Jeskai. He's calm and collected but not emotionally detached like Azorius, and his past as the Dragon of the West is firmly Red. His grief and intense guilt over the death of his son is also Red; the reason he goes so far for Zuko is to try and do for him what he couldn't his own child, and later in the series when he gets serious he shows that he's still got that "dragon" inside him when he gets fucking shredded in prison and breaks out.
>>96828307White/Red. He's an old-school honorable warrior serving an increasingly dishonorable regime, and he personifies the internal resistance of the Fire Nation's old values toward the Fire Lord's crazed ambitions.
is this tree floating?
>>96828382no it's one of those weird trees with freestanding roots just exaggerated for fantasy's sake.
>>96828387what species do that?
>>96828382>the mountain fell>Boseiju enduresno clue if that's canon or not, but it sounds cool.
>>96828395i dont know what it grew on before, but i assumed thats similar to the vibe they were going for
>>96828394nta but I know mangroves can look like that, if the water level goes down
>>96828307Green
>>96824913AhoyGoblins is a popular nostalgic deck that is actually good, and it isn't ridiculously expensive to build. One component of it doing well is just being played a lot. There are like 10 fucking players that have Goblins in my ~40 person tournaments.Another is mental load. Goblins plan is straight forward, easy to sideboard for, and not mentally taxing to play. In a 8+ round tournament, that can be a huge blessing, especially for less experienced players. Games usually don't go to time on Goblins either, so you have more mental unload time and can even get food or go outside between rounds.Lastly, Goblins is well positioned in the meta right now. Oath (while being hard for Goblins) is also running defense for Goblins by pushing out most midrange strategies. Parallax Tide also pushes out a lot of midrange. For individual match ups, Goblins is also great at beating up on a lot of cheap "meta" decks that format tourists or beginners will flock to, like UW Control, BW Control, Madness, The Rock, most the Survival decks
>>96827988Been in shambles for more than a decade now.
>>96828222>The Darien starter deckI have that one too. I wish I had all Coldsnap decks. But I can play them on Forge anyway.
>>96827935I have no idea who the hell was picking up SPM but EOE did very well and plenty of cards from the set see play.
>>96828395The lore is that the tree got pissed off that modern skyscrapers were bigger than it so it started growing again to show everyone who's boss.
>>96829026>The lore is that the tree got pissed off that modern skyscrapers were bigger than it so it started growing again to show everyone who's boss.really?
>>96829041That's what I read, yeah.
>>96827697>Final Fantasy Set Sold wellOh, really?Why is this news even a thing? Everyone knew it did.Good UB does sell. LotR, FF did sell well.Spooderman did not.ATLA will sell good too.TMNT will probably not sell well.Marvel Slop will probably not sell well.
>>96829065>>96829041The original card was also "Boseiju, who shelters all" so if he's going to shelter everyone in a place full of giant skyscrapers he's gotta get big enough to match
>>96825583>Shit on Cockshehe
playpremodern
>>96829081>ATLA will sell good too.honestly I'm kind of curious whether this will be the case. a 20 year old children's cartoon with a poorly handled sequel that kind of shat all over it is not remotely comparable to fucking FINAL FANTASY or THE LORD OF THE RINGS, two of the most highly influential pieces of fantasy to ever exist, that both predate Magic the Gathering to begin with.Are there enough aging millenials with disposable income to buy huge amounts of Avatar the Last Airbender cards? the MCU and Spiderverse movies are also really popular with dumb millenials and this set was a total flop, is a 20 year old children's cartoon really gonna fare better?Avatar is popular, but it's not more popular than fucking Spider-Man and even that couldn't carry a set. If this shit was coming out in 2012 yeah I bet it'd do really well, but the people who watched ATLA as a ten year old and Korra as a teenager are now in their 30's
>played the new phoenix dredge variant in today's modern LGS weekly>turn 2 ox into turn 3 lethal because I managed to flip 3 arclights, 2 creeping chills a conflagrate and 2 lava dartsWent 3-1, but this is the most fun Ive had playing this format in a long time. Only lost to neobrand, which I cant be too mad at because I play a degenerate deck too
>>96821913>say something nice about Mr. Mark Rosewater, the man that will control your game for the next decade, UB IPs included.he's right about hybrid mana in edh, it's been retarded you couldn't use Boros Reckoner in an Akroma deck from day 1. Sheldon's a retard and the EDH rules committee were insufferable faggots. That said, EDH should go back to only being able to generate types of mana in your commander's converted mana cost, and color identity should only count mana symbols in CMC. No more WUBRG commanders that are fucking monocolored permanents like kenrith. The only WUBRG commanders need to cost 5+ mana like progenitus.
>>96828242You rang?https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=released&q=%21%22Snow-Covered+Wastes%22+include%3Aextras&unique=prints
>>96829107>Boseiju, Who is Going to Shelter All Dammit
>>96828242>i just want snow lands reprintsThey're going to be reprinted in the Candy Crush UB as icing sugar frosted slop lands.
>>96829041>>96829107Basically, the lore of NEO was absolute fucking shit. It was a bunch of fabricated nonsense for sole purpose of propping up a boring MacGuffin plot.I do not know why anyone thinks it was a good set.
>>96829368It played well. I personally hate what they did to Kamigawa as a setting and the lore of it but Wizards fucking hates the plane.
ban amulet ban amulet ban amulet
>>96829443it's really funny that thanks to edh resulting in hundreds of legendaries every few years that a Betrayers of Kamigawa card from 20 years ago is now considered an absolute staple when it was famously dunked on as a weak set inferior to mirrodin at the time
>>9682944311% is fine. Most people playing it in lower levels fuck up the lines anyway so you don't see it as much. I see way more slickshots at the moment.
>>96829443>Samwise Gangee combo
>>96829477Kamigawa being a weak useless set has always been wrong anyway. Old modern had a load more cards from it that saw active use than a lot of other blocks>Kataki>pithing needle>Breach>Kiki>Minamo>jitte>lantern of insight
>>96829443Does anyone else miss when decks had weird names like Pickles or the Rock?
>>96829574'if you'd do a full tuned on vs affinity block kamigawa block deck, and put a mirrodin affinity standard deck against it i don't think you'd exceed 30% win rate
>>96829604Well yeah Mirrodin was retarded. But that wasn't the point, the point was that it has way more cards in it that were played heavily across formats than people think.
>>96829618ok, but soulshift was absolute shit, the commons were extremely overcosted, the hand size matter card managed to give us shit like Kitsune Bonesetter, and the flavor was too confusing for average player then, just imagine what would happen if current slopgoys would get a set like that
>>96829657ok but ninjutsu fucking rocks and arcane has some neat stuff
>>9682965713 year old me fucking loved Soulshift.
>>96825631>>96825719And any intelligent player would be able to remember how any card that's referencing itself by name works after being corrected once, but this game isn't simply designed for newbies, which would be bad enough, it's designed for "everyone," and "everyone" includes chronic retards who can't imagine how they'd feel if they didn't have breakfast this morning, but it doesn't include you. If you don't like where the game is right now, WotC doesn't think you're a person.
>>96829574>>lantern of insightI think it's funny that I've also made this mistake in the past but lantern is from 5th dawn
>>96821835Keep your hatred strong, brother. Only its fire can light your path forward through this encroaching darkness.
>>96829774It's because everyone thinks Lantern of Insight is Reito Lantern. They even both have art by a Hildebrandt brother too.
>>96821874Is it bad that their card design sucks so much these days I suspect AI could do a better job?
>>96829774My life has been a lie.
>>96826802>wtf i love hellsing UB now
>>96829576We'll never have that again. Sets release so rapidly now that no one deck sticks around long enough to earn a name.
>>96828249Duskmourn had a few highlights...
>>96829774What the fuck, I thought it came out in Saviors because of the symbol.
>>96823986>I think [characters from the same faction] should have [wildly different colors]
>>96829443>amulet gets banned>field of the dead gets unbannedngl I'm fine with this
Duskmourn was ABSOLUTELY Kino.I would take a whole DSK block over MKM, BLB, OTJ, DFT, MOM, BRO or SNC
>>96829943Modern is so trashy right i wouldnt even be mad with this
All Duskmourne monsters were cool.
>>96829964Redwall>Stranger Things
>>96829964>>96829996But all of the humans are weird and not cool...
>>96829964What I don't get about DSK is the need to shove in all the 20th century technology and references. Like, why can't we have typical MTG wizards, soldiers, etc trapped in the house? There's even great space to address how, say, someone from Theros handles it vs someone from Ravnica handles it.
>>96829964The only thing I disliked about Duskmourn was the artwork of the survivors. They all looked like people who just got a nice shower and a clean set of clothes. It broke the immersion of an otherwise great concept.
>>96830013We gently ignore all the humans.
>>96830021Yeah, they could have made them grizzled, traumatized veterans who've faced down the shit the House can throw at them and emerged alive. Actually play up the horror and desperation of surviving in a surreal realm where everything wants to kill you.
>>96830055any set can look good if you cherrypick enough. I do like the manifestations of fears tho
>>96827615Wow, my favourite achievement name in gaming.
>>96827567Smash Brothers has more creative integrity than MtG.This game has turned into a licensing outlet for Hasbro.
>if you want a format without UBs, you need to start your own format, like muh cummanderhThey surely didn't need this grassroot movement for formats like Planechase, Alchemy, Historic, Pioneer, Archenemy, Brawl, etc. I can't believe the lies Maro says qith a straight face.
>>96830223I don't blame him. Maro is like 10 years away from retirement, now he's just going through the motions. If money were no object he would agree with most anons. We know that because he authored many of the core design principles we know and love about the game. Everything current Mark shills for can be countered by something Mark wrote in his blogatog or design columns years ago.
>>96830326Current Mark is really just a puppet with Chris Cock's hand up his ass making him say all that shit.
>>96830020Because it's the 90s horror plane, and they're committing to the bit, which is based. When you DON'T commit to bit and just have people from other planes vacation there, you end up with Thunder Junction.
"Bestie" is not a 90's term.
>>96830544From the Oxford English Dictionary:>"The earliest known use of the noun bestie is in the 1990s. OED's earliest evidence for bestie is from 1991, in the Observer (London)."
>>96830554
>>96830536It's 80s as fuck anon. Also there was a samurai woman and a ninja guy running around.
>>96830582I think there's a difference between "there's 2-3 guys from other planes here" like usual, and "the plane is literally devoid of natives." One is the baseline of MtG because these people are the connective tissue of the story, and the other is Thunder Junction, the plane composed of Magic characters on holiday with no interesting things of its own.
>>96821825nothing is unexpected, killing the golden goose for meat would increase quarterly revenue but kill long term sustainability
>>96821825Sloppers won.
>>96830608I see your point. I can't name a single character from Cowboyland.
>>96830536And Mirrodin is the artifact plane, but it managed to do interesting things with a bunch of species from other planes living there. DSK by definition gobbles up other planes so even if the survivors weren't from planes we know, having classic wizards, soldiers etc would have been a lot more interesting than cheerleaders and baseball bats
>>96830637We've been saying that for years. When does the goose run out of meat?
>>96830755When the playerbase demonstrates enough self-control to stop buying packs.
>>96830760So never?
>>96830760Why would the playerbase stop buying packs, if they want what's in the packs? You're not making sense.
>>96823310>White
>>96830775Well, brown is not an mtg color...
>>96830755The copers have the same mentality as doomsday cultists or day traders. Just two more weeks, bro. It's all going according to plan, just wait and see and everything will happen as I predicted, because I'm the smart one who noticed things other people were too foolish to see. Once it doesn't happen, I'll point to some new factor that changed the equation, it'll actually be another two weeks from then.
>>96830775>>96830786Considering the sort of people that get printed on "White" cards nowadays, I'd say it's perfectly appropriate
>>96830795It should be white humans with the text "this creature counts as black"
>>96830764Yes and so every time WotC releases another shit set, it's their fault it made a ubillion dollars.
>>96830812But Black creatures are the whitest ones now
>>968308224chan is both the whitest and least white place.
>>96830754Mirrodin's species are basically completely native and original. They never at any point import the culture or the societies from other planes, and the number of people who even REMEMBER being from another plane can be counted on one hand (which is why Scars of Mirrodin was utterly nonsensical).
So how long until Hasbro makes a funny like Valve did and fucks all the investors in the ass?
>>96830878Never, because Valve doesn't gain anything from their secondary market. Hasbro's is built on top of it.
>>96830878>how long until everyone in the Hasbro board of directors decide to put themselves in jailHasbro isn't privately held like Steam was back then (no idea if they still are).
>>96830878Valve is a private company and they aren't beholden to the whims of this very kind of investorfag. Hasbro is
>>96830884Secret Lairs bypass the secondary market though
