Welcome to the New School Revolution General, the thread dedicated to games derived from the OSR movement.>What is the NSR?the NSR is a subcategory of the OSR, it mostly follows the same play style but experiments further with the mechanics and settings*broadly NSR games**have* a gm, a interesting setting, living world*are* rules light, deadly*and focus on* emergent narrative, external interaction and exploration>What is this thread for?This thread is for system, adventure, setting, mechanics, ongoing campaigns, anything that related to the *actual* gamePOST ART ALSO, inspiration and for the tg threads>What is this thread NOT for?Meta discussions or drama of the games and its creators aka shadowboxing with twitter, reddit and the OSRG (frens with osrbros)>stay on topic>gamesShadowdark, into the odd, mausritter, cairn, mörk borg (and its hacks), dungeon crawl classics, mothership, knave, troika!, whitehack, blackhack, old school essentials (we know this is just a retroclone)>links, resources, more games!, etc:https://pastebin.com/0W8WmbCk>previous thread:>>96803352>thread questionWhat are the best games with large, interesting worlds that aren't inherently hostile to the player? Is a world without constant enemies boring?
>>96829321>TQ>What are the best games with large, interesting worlds that aren't inherently hostile to the player?Is there one? I mean there are great nohostile worlds and great games by i cant think of a single combination of the two>Is a world without constant enemies boring?Not really. It is more the domain of espionage, shadow deals, underground cults, merchant feuding, piracy etcAll perfectly fine things to explore in the NSR mindset/with NSR tulesets
>thread on page 7>literally one reply in 5 hoursCould it be any more obvious that this general was created by that one sperg and while he has his troll version of /osrg/ up he no longer cares about this one?
Anyone play Monolith? I didn't realize it was a Cairn hack when I bought it. I really only bought it as reference because Retro Sci-Fi Rules & Traveller aren't playable out of the box and lack a lot of rules.
>>96829321>Is a world without constant enemies boring?It depends on how much of an emasculated faggot you are.
>>96830727Not heard of this. Very good artwork. Will investigate and report back.
>>96830727>Traveller>not playable out of the box>lacks a lot of rulesSubstantiate this claim.
>>96831704In particular I'm referring to MG2E and Zozer games. Classic might be different. I can't substantiate because I can't remember but we distinctly had more than a few conversations that ended with "huh that's weird this thing is referenced but there is literally no rules here for it".>>96831636I got it PoD from Lulu for real cheap. It's a nice book but I haven't sat down to give it a try yet.
Can I talk about AD&D here?
>>96835546sure. Which edition are you interested n?
>>96829321Games for your pic's feel?>thread questionConflict is necessary, but not necessarily with enemies. Races are always a change of pace for me, and pursuits too.
>>96835860>Games for your pic's feel?none that i'm aware of. something like Ace Combat, Black Lagoon, and Michiko & Hatchin rolled into onemore of the guy here: https://bsky.app/profile/dofresh.bsky.social
>>96835546Assume this is good faith and not bait.You CAN talk about it here, but it's not necessarily the place where you will get the most or best answers.If you want to talk about Gygax's AD&D ("1e") played the Gygax way, you might have better luck asking on the real /osrg/ thread, which is very much focused on that style: >>96815749If you want to talk about AD&D 2e, you might try on the 2e thread that is posing as an /osrg/ thread in a pathetic attempt to hijack it: >>96815556 The second one is also the thread if you want to talk about AD&D 1e but played in the narrativist / railroading / Hickman style, which is what lies at the core of the AD&D 2e game philosophy. However, you're not very likely to get useful answers there because the thread wasn't really created to discuss games, just to troll the real /osrg/.
>>96830719>Could it be any more obvious that this general was created by that one sperg and while he has his troll version of /osrg/ up he no longer cares about this one?You lads are always welcome back in the real /osrg/ while he's not there if you want to come hang out.It's funny really, I remember that you'd get shit for liking something like, say, Shadowdark, but no one ever told you not to talk about it over there. Which means this thread doesn't need to exist and is just a divide & conquer attempt.
>>96837444>no one ever told you not to talk about it over thereJust because saying it's shit was almost always enough to get people to stop talking about it, unlike 2e, which is an obsession of one particular psychotic individual who's been trying to use it to torment /osrg/ for years at this point.>Which means this thread doesn't need to exist and is just a divide & conquer attempt.I disagree. There's definitely multiple games that are off-topic on /osrg/ but deserve a place where they can be discussed. Shadowdark, Mork Borg, Cairn, Knave, Mauritter, and so on. So /nsrg/ does serve a purpose.
>>96837444That's a strange take, anon. In 2022 we had a lot of people trying to force NSR stuff in /osrg (backed by yet another mod) and a lot of yelling for them to take it elsewhere, because it's fundamentally a different sort of game. It's been mostly quiet since then, but if anything the boundaries between OSR and NSR have only solidified, as NSR has more and more come into its own. I think it definitely deserves its own thread: I just don't know if there's enough NSR fans on /tg to keep it alive. I hope it thrives, though.
>>96837605>>96838134Shadowdark specifically is clearly an OSR game, come on. It's basically just another shoddy B/X knockoff. Yeah, sure, the way it was turbohyped during the Kickstarter was distasteful, but I don't think that was even the girl's fault – she just happened to be lined up to crowdfund at the moment the OGL debacle broke out, and obviously the kind of queermos who still play 5e were primed to hop on "a simpler system written by a lesbian!"So yeah, while I agree that Cairn and the Borgs need to fuck off out of /osrg/ I think Shadowdark is clearly on topic. It's in the same niche as BFRPG: no real reason to play it, but of course it's OSR. OSR isn't a stamp of quality, people just think it is because 2e is both not OSR and far and away the worst edition of D&D ever published.
>>96838295>It's basically just another shoddy B/X knockoffFalse. It makes radical changes to the system, for example to how magic and advancement work.
>>96838134It was obviously the same people as those complaining about 2e now, but using a different excuse. It's quite clear that don't actually care care about 2e or have anything to say about it, just look at their general now. Literally zero actual content apart from bumps saying inane stuff, like that they like the art.
>>96838639Not sure what you're on about, currently the "We love 2e crowd" is talking about scat porn and spelljammer in their tantrum thread while /osrg/ is continuing on as usual.
>>96838753Based on the rest of his post, I think he meant to say "complaining that 2e should be included now".
>>96838831Good point, I'm retarded.
Who are ACKShills such retarded assholes?They can't even leave this thread alone, and are treating it as their "Place to shit when they're not shitting in the real /osrg/ that infuriates them."Shoo, shoo. Stay in your containment thread.
Oh goodie, fishfag has been let out of the hospital again.
>Has 2 entire threads basically to himself>Has been left alone in both of them>No mention of ACKS in either>Still isn't happyBut Fishfag had been created with a hole in his heart, an (ass)hole that no possession, power, or knowledge could fill. And in his infinite greed, fishfag dreamed of expanding his dominion over the entire earth.
>>96830727I played it with a GM who ran it without aliens and without psionics, so I can't really call it a "pure" experience, but it worked fine, with just a heavier emphasis on tech/augmentations. Can't say I loved it. I did appreciate the Group Debt thing that made it feel like Cowboy Bebop right from the start.>>96840137They're desperate to "control the narrative."ie. Lie their balls off and hope people fall for it.Just ignore their shitposts in this and any other thread.
>>96840137You're literally the first to bring ACKS up in this thread.
>>96840372ACKShills is just the name for the handful of anti-2e/Pro-ACKS trolls that plague the /osrg/ (and this thread too). Don't ask me why they're anti-2e/Pro-ACKs, the only reason we know those are their obsessions is because they tried to make a bogeyman out of both and then ended up combining them into one because that's the kind of retards they are.
>>96840417>Criticizing 2e means shilling ACKS.Meds.
>>96840417>maybe if I spell it bogeyman nobody will notice it's meLMAO
>>96840417Look, I don't like ACKS, and hate the ACKS shills, but this is schizoposting.
>>96840738If you mean it's posting about schizos, you're right.Back when they were getting banned and ban-evading, they even tried to say that the janny also was their bogeyman. I don't think they actually care how crazy they look, or expect people to see any sanity in what they do.But, let's not actually fall for their bait and turn yet another thread into a discussion about their drama.
To whoever posted the Overland Travel substack last thread: thank you! It's exactly the kind of legwork I was looking for when I came to /osrg/ but got blackballed.I'll go with the Simulacrum approach by dropping the miles pretention, assigning a Movement Points pool to animals and vehicules, a Movement Cost to hexes and voilà. It's apparently how 0D&D started and as a former hex and shit wargamer it's what makes the most sense to me because you can fiddle with a lot of details with this kind of design and the maths stay super easy.I'll get the guide to check for orientation in the morning with an Int check, the look-out to check for random encouter at night with a Wis check, the leader to roll any reaction with a Cha check and maybe a Dex check for the occasional hunter so everybody is involved and happy. Hex will be treated as containers so anything obvious is described while travelling but any hidden sites requires a whole day searching the hex itself.Rancourt wrote something really sensitive at the end of his long study and it made quite an impression on me: if I'm using curated dungeons and not proceduraly generated ones, why would I use proceduraly generated overland and not curated one?
>>96841084>dropping the miles pretention, assigning a Movement Points pool to animals and vehicules, a Movement Cost to hexes and voilàWhat do you mean? That's exactly the same as what you call the "miles pretention": The "movement pool" is the number of miles you can travel in a day.
>>96840785>Fishfag desperately trying to deflect and create confusion around having been caught out as also being 2etard as well as Night Land fag.
>>96841452It's funny, all he had to do when somebody suggested he resembled the NLfag was to ignore it. But nope, not only did he flip his shit, which is evidence enough, but then he actually gave himself away in the middle of doing said shit-flipping! Now that's comedy!
>>96841452>>96841625Okay, you guys can shut up too. This is /nsrg/, not fishfag drama general. That was a thread or two ago, when one of you faggots did your thing.
>>96841644Yeah, my bad, didn't notice which tab this was.
>>96841644>you guys can shut up tooaye aye sir
>>96841084>To whoever posted the Overland Travel substack last thread: thank you! It's exactly the kind of legwork I was looking for when I came to /osrg/ but got blackballed.What? They're talking about it in /osrg/ *right now*, how were you blackballed over that blog post?
>>96841899>legworkThis is like the fren card game autist, he makes these threads, refuses to engage posters and still expects them to go further than some other schizo engaging.
>>96841385It keeps the maths simple. You don't think "48/2 -6 -6 -6 -6" but "8/2 -1 -1 -1 -1". Also you can bump up your abstracted base Movement Points to higher values without anyone batting an eye if you need more granularity, like when going from a D6 to a D12 or D100. This way you can account for more modifiers for weather or whatnot, without resorting to a -33% on top of a +50% as OSE handles it. Or you can go the 0D&D way and keep these abstracted numbers and modifiers really low.Really, that's it. Easier math. Might be unworthy to most but as a Referee learning a new system I don't want to wrangle it for the first few sessions. Not in the ease and comfort of 2025, with so much knowledge just a few clics away. So movement points and ascending armor class it is for me.>>96841899I made a lengthy post about homebrewing OSE class system to something more fitting to my young table, like removing infravision for the dwarf and elf but giving them something else instead like maybe 2 in 6 chance of gem appraisal for the dwarf and 2 in 6 chance of animal empathy for the elf. Plus my players are kids so I wanted really bright and red neons pointing at the thief class by making the first encounter a high pitch voiced goblin in a jail so everyone understand we're talking backstabbing bastard here.I was told absolutely all my shit is retarded, which I can stomach; but also how B/X is sacro-sainct design and I should not mess with the delicate balance of it, which is absolute bullshit since OSE encourage you to homebrew it from it's very first pages. I fucked off and came here and Io and Behold, someone helped my retard self instead of smelling its own farts.>>96841951Are you okay buddy? I used the terms legwork and hex as containers because they come from this very sustack article so I'm happy to borrow it and make it my own because as you can tell I'm a uncalled for wordy moffo that really struggle to encapsulate concept in clear words and make small posts.
>>96840417oh yeah also you forgot about>>96841452>Fishfag>2etard>Night Land fagthis shitfor some reason the ackshill is very defensive of some literaly-who pulp book from the early 20th century>>96840738it's all trueliterally just check out the post I linked above
>>96842683>I was told how B/X is sacro-sainct designThat's not how things went, buddy. And, more importantly, nobody gives a shit about your grievances, this is not a women's studies discussion forum.You might instead try sharing your ideas here again and see if you get different feedback.
>>96842935>ackshill is very defensive of some literaly-who pulp book from the early 20th centuryI don't give a fuck about ACKS and I've never read Night Lands.Anons have pointed out it's obviously always (You) throwing psychotic tantrums whenever somebody mentions one of those topics and starting autistic jihads to shit up whole threads in the process. The evidence was already convincing, and (You)r reaction confirmed it definitely.The whole board has had enough of (You). Do the world a favour and jump off a bridge.
>>96840137The fuck is your problem? Where did ACKS touch you to cause you flip out like that? Take your pills schizo. You're the only one mention ACKS at the moment. Keep it up and I buy and try out ACKS just to piss you off.
>>96843000As one of his supposed ACKShills (aka: Someone that plays ACKS and occasionally discusses it or even, heaven forbid, dares to recommend it to people), I'd like people to remember this going forward whenever he insists it's everyone else that's the problem.No one had mentioned ACKS.No one was talking about ACKS.And yet here he is, trying to pick a fight over ACKS, making conspiracies about ACKS and demanding you humour his dogshit takes about ACKS or else you're the ACKShill.I sincerely hope he leaves your thread alone rather than stirring up more trouble, but we all know he won't.
>>96843000>I don't give a fuck about ACKS, here are three wordy posts about someone picking on ACKS to prove I don't give a fuck about itlol ok
>>96842958Well first don't pretend I'm acting like a woman if you're to post some David Beckham sith according to your picture's name. Why do you even a picture like that in stock or know where to google it? Sounds gay to me desu, not gonna lie.Second don't bring /osrg/ toxic behavior here. You can very much go and be a dick there with the others. I read enough "fishfag this schizo that" to bother with your false pretense at David Beckham admirer machismo. It's already stale to me anon, try and be better than yet another shitposter in a flamewar crusade.Third I've been here for two threads and it's been two threads with an idiot asking for /nsrg/ to "come back home" to /osrg/. I didn't bother to answer so obviously I'm not on a mission or even butthurt. But I think there's a chance you might be that very specific poster that keeps collecting rebutals threads after threads for a weird reason so I'm done with (you).I came here to ask about abstracted positioning during encounters and a bit more involved overland travel system then I got my answers. So, once again, I thank the anon that posted that substack link, it was really on point. You lecturing me is just bad taste anon.
>>96843033You're one of the ACKShills because you're a troll who only knows how to lie and spam. You liking ACKS is incidental. It's not that you like ACKS that people hate you, it's because you try and troll and brigade like you imagine this entire board is too stupid to understand what's going on. Even now, look what you're doing. This is supposed to be the /nsrg/ but you immediately started flooding it with shitposts like >>96830719 >>96836571 >>96837605 about your personal war against anyone that likes 2e, doesn't like ACKS, and now apparently also anyone who likes Night Lands, because you keep trying to do the same thing where you try to make everyone you disagree with into a single entity. You can't leave this board alone. You have your "I hate 2e" containment thread, but you keep showing up in the real /osrg/ to samefag shitpost, because you're just a few trolls who can only operate via shameless shitposting.Just shut up already. I'm shocked you think you can call what everyone's seen with their own eyes a conspiracy, like you think posts like >>96840785 just disappear when they reveal the kind of people you are.
>>96843599>you think posts like >>96840785 just disappear when they reveal the kind of people you are.Not sure what you believe that is supposed to reveal.All that it's showing is that for a period of several months fishfag = 2etard = NightLandsFag was receiving so much blatant, ridiculous, and unfair support for his trolling that people picked up on it and started calling it out.Whether he was actually personally a janny or his boyfriend was is an unknowable and a distinction without a difference.
>>96843599Look, we get it, there's nothing anyone could ever do to convince you that you're wrong, you jam-legged psychotic.Can you at least stop raving like a homeless man any time anyone triggers your fucking autism? There was no mention of ACKS until you brought it up you fucking lunatic.
>>96843662>Not sure what you believe that is supposed to reveal.Yes, you do. You like to lie a lot, and you don't care how ridiculous you sound when you do so.Even this post about "We were getting "unfairly" banned, just for trolling nonstop for hundreds of posts, an activity we continue to this day, derailing threads to be about our drama bullshit while acting like the worst kind of trolls imaginable! How unfair!" is where it's starting to become evident that you don't even believe your own lies, you just have some kind of compulsion to lie.Now please, shut the fuck up.
>>96843711You really are a fascinating psychiatric case
>>96831808MG2E is perfectly playable out of the box. The only thing it doesn't really have is rules for aliens.
>>96843991>The only thing it doesn't really have is rules for aliens.CT doesn't have them either. Or do you mean rules for procedurally generating animals?
>>96843991Yeah, I know it's off topic, but can't help by wonder what kind of blue-moon ass rule anon thinks is vital that MG2E is missing.
>>96844869He sounded like just another moron who has no idea what he's talking about. Not the kind of thing that is worth investigating further.
Now that the fake /osrg/ is on its last legs I guess I'd better remind the rest of you anons to brace for a torrential wave of shitposting ITT.
>>96842683>Are you okay buddy?Gee HR lady, keep your struggle to yourself, I'm not your analrapist.
>>96829321>What are the best games with large, interesting worlds that aren't inherently hostile to the playerMost properly designed settings have a mixture of conflict and nonviolent contact. If you've somehow made >constant enemies you're making a very boring game yes. Nusr using variations on reaction rolls and negotiation is key, if its skipped that its not even really adjacent anymore.
>>96829321what's the OP pic? is it a game?
I ran Death in Space a few days ago.I'm not seeing how this is a horror system, but I did realize how Mork Borg it is when creating chareacts. Rolling 2d4 and substracting the later from the first is miles better than the comparison table every other MB uses.I was a bit surprised by the "how you were meant do die" table. I didn't understand it at all, but used it anyway because I was testing the system and wanted to do it in good fatih. The conclusion we reached, and it kinda worked, is that the table is the shitty death you were destined to have as a regular joe, but instead you had a cool death doing stuff and living life. I'm not entirely sure if that's the point. If anyone can confirm or has another ake let me know.
I just played Pirate Borg.I have no clue why you people said it didn't feel like a Mork Borg at all, it was super Mork Borg.We ended up in an aztek tomb, two players being turned into skelletons plus a sorcerer that could make more skelletons. We took our aztek skelleton crew to take over Spain, kinda woke.
