Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to TSR-era D&D, derived systems, and compatible content.Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity to early Dungeons & Dragons - less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching meta-plots and a greater emphasis on player agency.If you are new to the OSR, welcome! Ask us whatever you're curious about. We'll be happy to help you get started on this playstyle.>Troves, Resources, Blogs, etc:http://pastebin.com/9fzM6128>Need a starter dungeon? Here's a curated collection:https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/80674659/#80722465>Previous thread:>>96907893beautiful ruined towers edition, post ruined towers
I commend OP for keeping the old, established Pastebin, but exhort him to conform to its content in the future. Useful links:Questions about AD&D 2e? Dedicated general here: >>96893030Questions about NSR/ NuSR? Dedicated general here: >>96829321
>>96938365This thread is the thread that champions the old OP textthe other thread is the hijacking revisionist threadproofhttps://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/text/from%201974%20to%201983/type/opit only started this Julyglad I could clear this up for you
>>96938642>This thread is the thread that champions the old OP textNo, it doesn't. You've removed the "first decade" part that has been there for many years.
>>96938642>>96938649Proof: The /osrg/ OP has had the "first decade" qualifier since March 2019https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/osrg/text/first%20decade/page/30/You're the one who's removing it.Put "first decade back" like it has been non-stop since 2019.
>>96938668I second the motion.OP, you have no right to remove the first decade bit from our established general. Please stop doing this.
>>96938649>>96938668>>96938718I will carefully consider your suggestion
>>96938742Thanks for admitting that you have in fact changed the OP by removing "first decade", and are trying to hijack the thread and lying about this >championing the old OP textYour admission will remain in the archives.
>>96938601Troll thread, jannies please remove. There is already an /osrg/ up at >>96925707 whereas this one is made by an asshurt troll trying to slide the general.
>>96938668Reminder to not feed the trolls. Leave them to jannies. Anyone got tips for running birthright?
>>96938742Glad to see you made this just ignore any trolling and report it.
>>96938601How good of a megadungeon is undermountain? Does it ckmpare to stuff like gunderholfen?
>>96939263whatever they say about 2e it sure had amazing art
>>96938742>those three postsLMAObrosrg goes from anger (rage-spamming) to bargaining in one week good to know
>one-line bumpfagging questions with no substantial replies>obvious samefagCome on, jannies.
>>96938641Please fuck off forever, you worthless troll.
>>96938641>splitting the OSR, an already slow general, into three even slower generals, and all just so you can force your bullshit narrow definition of what you think OSR isIgnore this PVRITY troll.
>>96939263Undermountain is easily one of the coolest dungeons. It feels like a "mature" dungeon, a dungeon in a world where things have been allowed to develop, and not just plopped into existence.
>>96938601Next time, it's probably best to switch over to a new pastebin.https://pastebin.com/q8VUJt7XThe old one has been corrupted. We need to return to a version more in line with the original /osrg/, one that uses a definition of the OSR that exists outside of the minds of a few dedicated trolls.
>>96940100>switch over to a new pastebinAbsolutely not, we should keep the old pastebin. http://pastebin.com/9fzM6128You have no right to remove the references to the first decade, that have been used non-stop since 2019 in 750 threads:https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/osrg/text/first%20decade/If you want to do change the topic of the general so radically that's fair enough, but you have to use another name than /osrg/>The old one has been corrupted.False, it only has a minor rewording that keeps the focus identical, since it revolves around the first decade condition that was always there. You're a hypocrite. You're just looking for excuses to topic shift this general.
>>96940076>utterly unable to simulate a conversation on games, probably because he's never had oneYeah, that Undermountain post above yours is hilarious because it shows he can't possibly have ever read the box set.
>>96940100Absolutely not. We have no reason to trust your pastebin. Who are you? How do we know you won't bait and switch to spam or other bullshit?Imagine if everybody started doing what you are doing now to other generals, creating copycat threads and switching up their pastebins.Make a new general instead of trying to steal an existing one.
>>96940168>How do we know you won't bait and switch to spam or other bullshit?Why would you even bother to ask this question in a thread that's nothing but an obvious troll hijacking attempt? This thread is motivated by literally nothing other than that the 2efag discovered that the mods aren't deleting duplicate OPs anymore for whatever reason. His previous attempts were shit like /todd/ because he thought he wouldn't get away with something this blatant, now he thinks he will, that's all.
Hey anons Do you recommend getting into Shadowdark?our group is a bit tired of current 5e direction and we are interestedalso we think it looks cool AFPScrosspostwhat's up with two generals?
>>96939142Birthright is pretty great. I don't love all of its ideas, but it does have its excellent domain systems and tools to work with them. Sometimes I wish its politics systems didn't feel so "gamey" at times, but most of its big abstractions are pretty useful big abstractions, so I can't really hold those against it. You might want to simplify the war rules if you plan to use them, since they can get a bit complicated.You can also just ignore all the domain/politics stuff, or at least not have your players get involved in it. I tend to find that players go in-and-out of moods, and sometimes they want to do a lot of plotting and scheming, and sometimes they just want to hunt down a monster.
>>96940200>our group is a bit tired of current 5e direction and we are interestedalso we think it looks cool AFThe marketing works.
>>96940168>How do we know you won't bait and switch to spam or other bullshit?Better to trust someone who hasn't yet baited and switched than someone who has. You've lost the trust of this board. You changed the pastebin despite protest, and now you're saying "Oh, dear, what if someone else were to change the pastebin?">Make a new general instead of trying to steal an existing one.You don't understand how 4chan works. This general is not your secret or private club.In the OSR general, people will discuss OSR games, and that includes 2e. If you don't like it, you need to make a "Bitchy Retards Old School General" or something similar, and leave the rest of us alone.
>want to run a game again after a long hiatus>muse isn't inspiring me>none of other people's stuff is clicking for meIt's over>>96940200Not a fan of the mechanics and astroturfed to hell and back but still better than MORT BORT
>>96940200Shadowdark is basically built exactly to try and get people like your group to play it. It's "old school style" for people for people familiar with but tired of 5e. It's pretty far from being something like B/X or AD&D, but it contains a lot of the "old school tropes" like Gold as XP, Race as Class, and WHOATHISISHARDCOREPEOPLEAREGONNADIE. As for the quality of its rules, it's not a bad game, but it's not a particularly great one.I wouldn't personally recommend it, but I'm not gonna judge people in your exact position if they want to play it. People with 5e experience are probably going to fall into it pretty easily.As for the two generals, a small group of trolls is trying to redefine OSR to exclude 2e, and been raging and trolling for years now about it. So, the /osrg/ has been split into people who want a more narrow definition of OSR that is generally rejected by the larger OSR community, and people who just want to discuss OSR games without all the trolling about what is and isn't OSR.
>>96940245any game is an osr game if you play it like an osr game
>>96940306>and people who just want to discuss OSR games without all the trolling about what is and isn't OSRthat explains why they lashed out to my crosspost>t's pretty far from being something like B/X or AD&Din what way exactly?and what is B/X?
>>96940282>2019Oh, little bitch troll, that's how far your Appeal to Tradition goes?You are arguing with an older and greater tradition, that goes back to the very origins of the general. No need to try and gaslight the board into imagining the /osrg/ started in 2019, or that the earlier /osrg/ threads contained your "first decade" nonsense or that it excluded 2e. The Archive proves you wrong.More importantly, this is not a matter that could have been settled by an Appeal to Tradition anyway (though you lost on that count, just for the record). The OSR general is for OSR discussion, and nothing any of us can do or say will ever be able to change that. And, 2e is OSR. Basic simple logic, that no fallacy can even attempt to undo.
>>96940306>a small group of trolls is trying to redefine OSR to exclude 2eLiar. The /osrg/ OP has had the "first decade" rule, which excludes 2e, for 750 threads non-stop since 2019. Proof:https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/search/subject/osrg/text/first%20decade/
>>96940312true true, WoD is classic osr
>>96940348>2e is OSRSorry, no, this is incorrect. 2e is not an OSR game, and for this reason is off-topic in any OSR general.
>>96940348The /osrg/ OP has had the "first decade" rule, which excludes 2e, for 750 threads non-stop since 2019. If you had a problem with it, you should have said so back then.You can't show up six years later and create copycat troll threads just because you don't like a general's established rules. Make your own general.
>>96940343B/X is "Basic/Expert", an early D&D made because D&D was getting a bit too complicated. It started with Basic D&D, and then Basic was expanded to Basic/Expert.It's simpler and more straightforward than AD&D, and pretty popular on this board and used as the underlying structure for a number of different retroclones.
>>96940348>Oh, little bitch troll, that's how far your Appeal to Tradition goes?That anon is indeed mistaken. 2e has literally never been allowed in /osrg/, going back to its very first beginnings.
>>96940355I can imagine VDA being played in OSR style> Make your own generalwell we did and now you are as salty as the day you had sand in your tranny vagina (poophole)>"first decade" rule, which excludes 2eIs that the wording in your picrel?>encourage a tonal fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons as it was played in the first decade?how the fuck does it exclude any ruleset as long as it can be played with the tonal fidelity of first decade of D&D?
>>96940362>The /osrg/ OP has had the "first decade" rule, which excludes 2e, for 750 threads non-stop since 2019Based and correct. Delete this thread.
>>96940282>non-stop for over 750 threads since 2019Who gives a shit? It was there for all the threads before 2019.Retvrn to tradition
>>96940362>first decade ruleNot a rule, you troll. It was a broad indication of style, and never forget that 2e still remains a compatible system, and that trying to enforce a strict "first decade" clause would omit considerable amounts of OSR material. No one had a problem with it, because no one paid much attention to it or treated it as you do, and continued to discuss 2e freely in the threads, as they did well before 2019. Really, it was only when you tried to claim "YOU MUST ABIDE BY MY PERSONAL INTERPRETATION OF THE OP TEXT" that people began to have a problem with it, and that problem has now fully manifested.When you decided to recently try and change the OP text to explicitly exclude 2e, it was largely rejected and that's why there's not two generals. It's weird how you want to Appeal to Tradition despite not even following the tradition you are hoping to use as a replacement for your argument. And, your tradition is still a young one compared to the Original /osrg/, so you lose on all counts.
>>96940377got it so B/X is like a rules light version of D&D?we like more crunch so I think Shadowdark is more fitting for us
>>96940412>Who gives a shit?You do, when you lie about the true /osrg/ having done a bait and switch about the OP. The truth, instead, is that "first decade" has been a non-stop consensus for 6 years and 750 posts until you came along and started whining and shitting up the whole general about it.
>>96940450>excluded by the "first decade" ruleIs that the wording in your picrel?>encourage a tonal fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons as it was played in the first decade?how the fuck does it exclude any ruleset as long as it can be played with the tonal fidelity of first decade of D&D?
>>96940427I wouldn't go so far as to call it rules-lite, especially because it went from Basic to Basic/Expert to BECMI (Basic/Expert/Companions/Masters/Immortals), getting crunchier with each step. It's not something like a 1-page system, just an effort to try and refine D&D down before it slowly got fatter again.I do think it's probably not a bad idea to start with SD for your group though, because it much more modern with its rules and presentation, and less of a culture shock for people who are used to more modern design.
>>96940420>trying to enforce a strict "first decade" clause would omit considerable amounts of OSR material.It would actually omit no old-school material at all, and the revival material which was made after 2006 or thereabouts obviously isn't included in that classification but in the compatible content.
>>96940463Why do you want to remove "first decade" from the OP?
Please, ignore the trolls.2e is on-topic. Let the trolls seethe in their powerlessness.
>>96940477Because he wants to steal the general and use it for spamming his own DTRPG products.
>>96940260>>muse isn't inspiring meRead through some adventures.Inspiration is really just a matter of allowing ideas to enter into you and bounce around a bit. It's like a nuclear chain reaction.
>>96940493>2e is on-topic.I'm afraid not. 2e is not an OSR game, so it's off-topic in this thread.
>>96940200Shadowdark looks nice but it's kind of amateur as a rule set. Its more "casual", though that might be a good thing. A lot of OSR is way too focused on being as groggy as it can be.
>>96940470got it now thanks anon
>>96940524>Shadowdark looks nice but it's kind of amateur as a rule setcare to give some examples?
>>96940493lol they are MAD>>96939263It's sick as fuck. High recommend.
>>96940507I feel like I've read through all the good ones though. I guess I could check Arden Vul.>>96940494>>96940501>>96940477>>96940523Just use the other thread bro
>>96938601Reminder: >>96886347
>>96940076hey-hey people! OP hereyou know what I actually like that wording>encourage a tonal fidelity to Dungeons & Dragons as it was played in the first decadeit sure as hell goes against the hall monitor/mall guard attitude the revisionists are trying to force on everyone
Starting to make a new setting for a B/X game Hasram -- Starter townBrandywater -- Halfling/hobbit townMousehole -- fishing villageSkara Brea -- small villageOakheart -- fronteir villageWayrest -- River trade town.Whiteop -- Dwarven hallElves live in the nice woods to the west, the idea being that the Western side is safer and more civilized then the eastern side of the river, help players guage dangerdoing a 3 mile hex so players have a idea what next to them unless they are in the darkest forests and I don't feel compelled to make something in EVERY hex. Might put a dungeon complex in the eastern side of the river
>>96940537Torches last for 1 hour real time. People die almost comically easily. Lots of random generation popping off constantly. Just lots of little stuff that makes it sometimes feel almost like a parody/pastiche. Not Munchkin or Hackmaster level though, but I can't really see it being used for a really serious campaign and not just for jumping in dungeons, getting loot, dying.
>>96940577Tonal AND MECHANICAL fidelity.
>>96940640If we cared about mechanical fidelity then OSE, LOTFP, and ACKS 1 would all be off-topic.
>>96940579That mountain is looking pretty lonely.
>>96940660>OSE is not mechanically faithful to B/XIn case anybody needed any additional proof that fishfag has no clue about OSR and is only here to troll and spam.
>>96939142I haven't played in a Birthright campaign in some 25 years but I enjoyed it a lot.Tips? Pick players who like politics and administration.That's all I can say at the moment.
>>96940640>AND MECHANICALsee now you are trying to force changes to the traditional 2019 OP pastebin and you have NO RIGHT to include things you personally want to astroturf on others so fuck off
>>96940762The troll's obvious hypocrisy and efforts to gaslight everyone are pretty amazing. They're not even in the ballpark of sanity or reality.
>>96940664That why the local dwarves colonized it. , there more mountains off map
>>96940798...it'd be a real...shame... to not... give those dwarves... a visit.
>>96940828There is always a risk of Thermoberix the dragon visiting :)
>>96938601>beautiful ruined towers edition, post ruined towersIs this the Zdzislaw Beksinski thread?
>>96940619>Torches last for 1 hour real time.Does this even matter? Just carry eight torches.
>>96940312A friend of mine has been converting lots of old modules into 5e for his group. According to him, it works without any major problems, though there's lots of little things like a few 5e spells he's removed because he doesn't think they feel right (Healing Word, Goodberry, etc.) and he also had to fuck around with the resting rules. The whole "5e OSR" scene is actually pretty big, because 5e is what more than half of all roleplayers are playing at the moment, and it's why so much new stuff is labeled "OSR/5E" compatible.
>>96940619>Torches last for 1 hour real time.and that's bad because...>and not just for jumping in dungeons, getting loot, dying.wait? you need more?
>>96941590At least one more thing.
>>96940200Been in a group running SD for about 8 months and I've really loved it. There aren't a trillion little rules you need to memorize and the torch system is memorable. There's also a quickstart guide your group can try if you wanna see if it's your thing.
>>96940360>t. stupid fag who is wrong and smelly.
>>96940553Thanks for the reminder that you you hear voices in your head and need help
>>96940200Actually I recommend you kill yourself instead
>>96940343Yeah how about you literally kill yourself instead of posting this bullshit
>>96940427Please genuinely kill yourself with the nearest violent method available
>>96940470>Welcome to osrg where we recommend people play shadowdark!Literally kill yourself as well you piece of shit troll troll
>>96942688Good thing your dad trained you to love dirty smelly cock, now open up here comes your dinner
>>96942850That just your family, retard.
>>96942886Good job figuring out how to look in the mirror, ESL retard. Going to start throwing a fit again if I use the language you can't understand?
>>96942961What a novel idea, I'm surprised it hasn't been tried before!
>>96942980Yes, you found yourself and your family. You retard fag
>>96942886>>96942989Why are you bothering to bite at his bait. Just let him tire himself out.
>>96942989Rich coming from a retard faggot who's the most retarded and most faggot retard faggot in the whole retarded faggoting universe.
>>96943007Yeah why bite my bait when you both can suck my cock.
>>96943007Why don't you bother biting at my cock?
>>96943020>>96943216It looks more like you bit your own bait, which was a cock.
The /trosrg/ thread coming along swimmingly I see.
>>96943216You want me to bite your cock? I can do that, 2e stud!>>96943239Nice.
>>96943015Yes, that is you, Sir Fagalot the Retarded.
>>96942541SD is supposed to be pretty tracking-intensive for what it is. I kinda look down on games that try to slim down rules but can't simplify bookkeeping.
>>96943369No, that's you.
>>96943380No u and your dumb faggot face.
>>96943376>pretty tracking intensive >having a time keeping device that automatically counts for you is tracking intensive lmao
>>96943393But enough you.
>>96943411Eat my shit, faggatron.
>>96943418Rich, coming from a fagdroid.
>>96943446Rich, coming from a cyberfag.
>>96943411Yes, we heard enough from you and smells
>>96943449Rich, coming from a BrOSR fag rapist.
These puppet shows you keep trying are not working, you can stop.
im a little hesitant to ask due the rampant retardation at display here, but here goes.im in the process of making a megadungeon.so far i have two distinct groups (a band of thieves and a community of myconids) and two specific npcs (a construct and a good witch) that are spread across 5 layers, which can be either be attacked, left or befriended.not counting potential other groups which could set up a short distance from the dungeon.is this enough to satisfy the social pillar of the game or do i need to add more?
>>96943454Then cut your ears off and fill them up with shit.
>>96943460>BrOSRYou and your boogeymen
>>96943471But no one wants to be like you.
>>96943480You're a booger man, ACKShill.
>>96943487I learnt everything I know from you.
>>96943495Go back to twitter BrOSR
>>96943506Show me on the doll where the BrOSR touched you.
>>96943509It touched you in the gay club, ACKShill
>>96943517You need to pick one Boogeyman you can't have both.
>>96943524Like there's a difference>>96943517
>>96943535>All the BrOSR bros, ACKS fans are the same person, and /osrg/ posters are the same person.Classic fishfag.
>>96943470I'd say start off with that, but leave room for things to further develop. The best megadungeons are far from static, and can be influenced by the players. If the players decide to wage war on the Myconids, and the Myconids corpse-clearing activities are left undone, a necromancer that was keeping to himself in some corner of the dungeon might rise in power.
>>96943543There's no fishfag you BrOSRetard
>>96943554Is this "BroSRetard" in the room with us?
>>96943560Yeah sticking his tongue up ACKShit's ass
>>96943566But enough sharing your gay fantasies.
>>96943573They're your gay fantasies, faggabot
>>96943573You're the one who shared them
>>96943470>2 Specific NPCSDefinitely add a few more. It's a megadungeon. And, making a few more tailored NPCs lets them share rumors about each other.
>>96943588They're your gay fantasies now. I gave them to you. Now you're a gay faggot.
>>96943602Rich, coming from a gay faggot cocksucker.
>>96943609Rich, coming from a homofaggadroid
>>96943613But enough about your mother.
>>96943616But enough about your father.
>>96943554If you are a genuine person, please stop replying to the troll.If you continue, we will all assume you are just the troll falseflagging to shit up the thread.
>>96943627But enough about your sister.
>>96943631But enough about your family
>>96943643But enough about your inlaws
>>96943549noted.any advice on keeping the dungeon open to change by the players or pitfalls to avoid leaving it static?that seems to rely a good deal on skill and intuition.
>>96943643But enough about your neighborhood
>>96943656But enough about your gayborhood
>>96943661But enough about your gaybothood
>>96943666But enough about the homofaggatron factory in which you were manufactured
>>96943672But enough you BrOSRfag go back to xitter
>>96943690>BrOSR everywhereMeds
>>96943594i should probably have said four (the two groups each have their "face"/leader)but ill think about what other colorful characters i can put in.in case you may want to weigh in with ideas, the overall design for the layers are:OvergrowthRuinsCaves (bandits)Fungal (myconids and witch)City (construct)Chaos
>>96943695You need to take meds homofag
>>96943709Okay. You win at retardation, fishfag. I can't top you. Enjoy your victory.
>>96943722Good fuck off BroSRetard
>>96943652The good thing about skill and intuition is that you are free to suck as much as you want in the beginning, because with practice you will almost certainly get better. A big dungeon gives a lot of opportunity to let things grow and develop, just make sure to plant enough potential seeds. If the players don't reach them or interact with them, that's fine, just try to think up some things that might make one activity in the dungeon affect another. If the thieves are exploring, they might be disabling traps and taking treasure, which might in turn be upsetting whoever's been making/resetting the traps in order to protect the treasure. What the players do when encountering the thieves should have consequences, and that could even be something basic like them taking a cursed item from the thieves that needs to be returned to its resting place or something else in the dungeon will awaken.
>>96943630It was just a troll all along. Obvious in retrospect.
>>96943819A good reminder that we don't need to troll or engage with the trolls any more than neccessary, and that engaging in trolling like they do is something only an idiot would think is neccesary.Let them troll, just ignore them, and they will continue to self-destruct as they have been.
>>96943813thanks for the advice, ill try to keep that in mind.also if the other retards here would kill themselves that would be great.
>>96943549That's easy to overdo. Overwhelm the DM and the players.Even small dungeons can get too complicated and be too much to track. Players forget a lot between sessions.I like megadungeons that are simple. Rooms with weird stuff. Solve a problem, forget about the problem, move onto the next problem. Do that for dozens of rooms, and nobodies going to get bored, and it won't feel like work.
>>96944013That's kind of what undermountain is. But I don't know if that's intentional or just the limits of a premade module vs. what a DM can do.
>>96943498You learned everything from yourself and smells
>>96940669>>96942839I don't remember THAC0 in B/X, but I do remember that in 2e.Ascending AC is not mechanically faithful to any TSR edition, that's 3e faggotry.I think that's sufficient to prove my point.
>>96943460It's not rape when you begged me for it *violently fucks your face*
>>96943703You should at least have one big NPC per layer, kinda like how every layer of the Abyss has its demonlord.Ruins should have some tragic figure desperately looking for something, something impossible to find, like a black apple from a tree that has long since died and withered in the center of the ruins.And the Witch will just have one casually sitting on a shelf somewhere.
>>96943731No, just kidding! Illkay ourselfyay maolay
>>96944988Yeah, fishfag is genuinely fucking retarded lmao
>>96943703Every big dungeon needs a wandering merchant.
Does anyone have a pdf of the LotFP spell descriptions sorted by spell level? I hate that they're just alphabetized.
>>96945623I've only got them for levels 1+2.https://talestoastound.wordpress.com/2016/12/19/lamentations-of-the-flame-princess-spell-booklets-for-clerics-and-priests-levels-1-2/
>>96945357Fuck off chuddie rape is not funny
>>96945442Keep banging your head on the keyboard you might get smarter retard
>>96938601Broodmother Skyfortress is the best module
When do all the Dolmenwood books release?
>>96946553>>96946623>having no content and no posters, the fishnigger is once again forced to feign activity by bumpfagging with empty one-sentence posts
>>96946553I don't think I've ever enjoyed any LotFP module and I think that may have been intentional.
>>96944988>You think I'm retarded? That's right, I actually am retarded. Let me prove it to you.Never change, fishfag.
>>96946879I don't understand Lament.The last book I looked in had a moon covered in vaginas.Giant literal vaginas instead of craters.I always feel like I'm being low key pranked.
>>96947405>He doesn't want to explore the inner depths of the vagina moon then never call her backPleb
>>96947405It's edgy. It's about as edgy as it can be.It's very self-aware about this though, not like how Shadows of the Demon Lord is edgy but it ends up coming off as tone-deaf instead of over-the-top.
how is your prep going anons?
>>96939142Hey I just asked in another thread what the best books for TSR settings are. I don't use modules but anything else I am interested in stealing from for my games.
>>96948783What do you prep? All of mines is logistical based on where and how I am playing, I don't prep content.
>>96948852Picking up the intro Box Sets for most settings is the obvious first step, especially because most other books in the line assume you've already read them and will frequently reference them. From there, you can just dive into whatever personally attracts you.I'd generally stay away from the novels, because a lot are just total trash and huge time sinks for little gain. The Mystara Gazetteers are worth a look. These sometimes just feel like off-brand history, but at least they're not like anything in the Stafford library.
