Fat Lads edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous Thread:>>96832612>TQ:What is your favorite piece of Warhammer Fantasy art?
Some would call it The GOAT.
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>>96845826why does /wfg/ always make Beastmen seem like the gigachads of WHFB? why was this not a sentiment back in the day?
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>>96845872There's a few very dedicated beastfags in the general and that's the entire reason really.
>>96845872Beastmen are the gigachads of WFB THOUGH?
>>96845872They arrived too late to matter and due to "the story" at the time didn't have anything to do. Then they were underpowered on average at an army level. And then on top of that, none of their heroes had the cool factor of the other races due to edition history.Mostly just straight bad luck and GW fumbling essentially.
So the old world is basically HRE, Russia and Normandy, China to the right, then India, Araby and Japan even further right, Ulthuan is the Brits, the new world is Aztecs in the south and Canadians in the north, and Africa is Spain? Are there any other nations based on real ones?
>>96845872/tg/ is not a big place anymore, if it ever truly was, and we happen to have a few anons who started beastmen relatively recently, accomplice the fact that they got booted out by aos while still having some active players and a number of plastic kitstotal war also gave them fresh memes and notoriety, compared to the pastbut despite that they're still a faction ultimately plagued by being the stepchild of chaos, misbegotten in terms of the depth and width of their fluff, number of releases and the strength of rules, maybe tow is finally giving them a chance to change and be more, but as of now, I'm still not sure that's the case
>>96845872Beastman have always been the protagonists of Warhammer.
>>96845919>Ulthuan is the BritsNot really, Albion is the UK
>>96845872In the late 1990's folk horror really fell out of vogue compared to its big bumps in pop culture in the 70's and 2020's. So they were lumped in by people that didn't know the term as "generic background fodder" or at best "cringe fairy tale stuff".
>>96845919>and Africa is SpainNo, Spain is Estalia Italy is Tilea, they are both in the old world. There is also Araby down south. There are also Border Princess which are balkan stand in and are open pvp zone where you can set up your own kingdom.
>>96845919>>96845934Ulthuan is supposed to be the UK, with the HE being a play on British aristocrats (well intentioned but extremely arrogant to a fault).
>>96845955Ulthuan looks like a comet that hit earth fucking it up like, 20k years ago.
>>96845808This is the ideal Warlord body. You may not like it, but this is what peak Chaos looks like.
>>96845919Ulthuan is Atlantean.
>>96845919>and Canadiansdark elves are the united states, not canadiansdark elves are slavers that split to north america after allestalia is spain, tilea is italy, nehekara is egypt, kuresh is southeast asia, norsca is scandinavia, bretonnia is france, chaos dwarfs are mesopotamian, ogres and hobgoglins are mongols, they've added the name "khosun" northeast of cathay, which would be korea given the namethe plain of tuskers would have subsharan africans
>>96845826I love Beastmen, but I never understood why a race so fundamentally opposed to civilization and order would fight in a structured rank and file system like the civilized races. Is there a lore explanation for this, or is it just one of those things that gets hand-waved away in the name of playability?
>>96845977>the ideal Warlord bodyNaw.Peak Chaos I'll give you tho.
>5 GW 40mm squares for $8>100 ebay 40mm squares shipped for $15Are the margins on bases really that insane?
>>96846031yes, the chinks are also ripping you off, by the wayit's fucking plastic
>>96845977Not too shabby.Personally, I prefer this look.
>>96846031Please do not feed modern GW
>>96846010>dark elves are the united states, not canadians>dark elves are slavers that split to north america after allAmericans didn't go get the slaves, we just bought them from the Dutch. Canada is War Crimes: The County.
>>96846021Gors, Ungors, Centigors, and Harpies are skirmish and all their beasts can be 1+. The dogs make sense to form into groups, the minotaurs are trying to outdo each other so fight close together, and the bestigors are smart enough to understand power of arms. Wildherd and Warped gors not having skirmish is the only glaring mistake.
>>96846031>Are the margins on bases really that insane?100 for 15 is even too high. fucking amazon has 100 of the same size for $13 and i could have it tomorrow..
>>96846021They are hypocrites. By nature. They are just enough man to recognise they are beasts and will never have a place in mans world but just enough beast to recognise they are not men and could never live like them. They have language, culture, civilisation of a sort. But they do not have society, education, continuity. Each like animals is a fresh wipe every third generation or so. But they are still human enough to understand this and hate it. Hating what the humans have all the more in turn. So they dedicate themselves to burning it all down so everyone lives as shitty lives as they do.Goat maga basically.
Lads, I require your counsel.We're playing WFRP 4ed with 2 friends, I GM and play a Warrior Priest of Sigmar, mostly as a tank to not overshadow the players.They play a human engineer and a wood elf hunter.We are not super good at social tasks just yet. They would like to play an adventure with a little bit of brains usage next time, since we have done several fighting adventures back to back. Is there one such adventures already existing? Happy to take an older edition adventure and adapt of course.I was thinking about The Lock-In from the One Shots of Reikland supplement.Thanks!
>>96846069I should have specified that my prices are in CAD
>>96845924I have started beastmen 3 times in the past 25 years but it never went anywhere.And I am going to do it again.
My Beastmen batallion arrives tomorrow brøthers.
>>96846212Cygor or gorgan?
>>96846256Gorgon.
>>96845872Because the people posting now didn't play back in the day where they were forgotten army losing a shitty rulebook multiple editions out of date. Like Bretonia.but worse.
Omw to pop some prime bretussy
>>96846263wrong answer
>>96846288They're starting to look really cool, anon
>>96846293Sell me on Cygor. I love their fluff, but jesus have they always fucking sucked in my matches.
>>96846308beauty is in the eye of the beholder and they be holding a big rock
>>96846319If herdstones had another ability that let a cygor throw it before turn 1 that would kick fucking ass, and make cygors great.
>>96846293literally nothing stopping you from putting the other 2 arms on a cygor and running it as either.
>>96846256Gorgon always. Cyclops probably the worst unit in the roster
I'm gonna die trying to paint this thing to completion
>>96846368except good taste
>>96846305Thanks hombre.Happy with the small modifications/ green stuffery I've done.Very keen to have them finished and based and move onto some ungors
>>96846418What's your vision bro?If you put that on the table I would assume it's finished.
>>96846418Just paint the base anon you’re done
>>96845808>TQ
>>96846109excluding big stuff like TEW you could go Rough Nights at the three feathers
>>96846431>>96846444I haven't finished the rear of the howdah. Plus the patina and shading on the inlays. After that, it's the base...
>>96845977This is what true peak looks like.
>>96846478I'll finish your rear, howdaht?
>>96846512Where is his axe?
>>96845808>TQThis was one of the first bits of Warhammer art I ever saw, and it's really stuck with me. It might be the green cloth against the white snow, or the mountains and buried statues hinting at this collapsing people, but it holds a special place in my heart either way.>>96846109I really like Colbesfeld's bane. Its about a lord's son leading a hunt for a gigantic boar, but has a really nice mix of investigation types, as the boar can show up, wreck shop and get out before the players have a chance to respond, so they have to actively think smart rather than just wander from combat to combat.
>>96845808Any of the boxart I grew up with, loved this phase of box.
>>96845808The cover art from the 6th ed starter box. It's what got me into Warhammer back in the day and still one of the most defining pieces of the setting for me.
>>96846790Oh god yes, the Karl Kopinski box art was all fantastic.
>>96845808Peepee Poopoo
>TQThe Warmaster cover was also good
Is ambushing any good? I want to make a beastman army and I saw that they have units that can ambush but rolling for them appearing seems kind of bad. Like a shitty deep strike
>>96845934And Bretonnia.Almost as if the setting created by British people doesn't compartmentalize references to and aspects of British history to a single faction. But no, that's impossible.
>>96845808>TQThe lighting in this pic always stuck out to me, always painted the picture that this warrior is engaged in a war completely underground, which is a part of the dwarf lore I think should be expanded more.
>>96846821Its not great, usually only vaguely worth it if its free. Scouts is way better.
>>96845808>TQI can't even name my top 10 WHF artworks. A lot of it is so fucking good.
>>96846821A Beastlord has an ability where you reroll ambush rolls because hes yelling them to battle.
>>96846451Always loved the unnatural sky/haze color in this piece, makes the environment seem weird and magical without being insanely so.
>>96846797luv'eet
>>96846821Ambush wins me games constantly. 2 units 10 ungors, 8 centigors, and sometimes a preyton. It forces so much disorder. And at worst, you ambush next to your own guys.
>>96846811Am I right in guessing that's a Blanche work?
>>96845808definitely my favourite army book cover
>>96845808Tough call it's either pic related or >>96846862Ultimately I started with Bretonnia after GW took WHFB outback and shot it but so many of the 8th edition army books pulled me in. Dwarfs, WoC, and VC had some of the coolest army books from that edition.
>>96846886I was going to joke and say that John Blanche doesn't own blue paint but apparently he really doesn't and it's by Geoff Taylor
>>96846821Ambush can be good depending on your opponent. If they have lot of skirmishers who can easily respond to an ambush, probably not worth it.If they're all close-order units and you want to disrupt their backline? Ambush is great.Are you playing a scenario where you need to capture an objective like the Baggage Train? Ambush is great.Just remember if you try to hit the backline of Dorfs or Empire: cannons CAN spin on their axis and still fire. So just be aware before your ambushers suck some grapeshot to the face.At the very least, forcing your opponent to pull some big expensive unit back to deal with 60-points of your army is never a bad deal.
>>96846797>>96846881I always loved the ugly mugs on those dudes. Weathered. Intense grimaces. Full of wrinkles and scars. You could tell they were tough bastards.
>>96845977>>96846738>>96846790>>96846794>>96846797>>96846811>>96846862>>96846881classic warhammer art hits hard and good. We aren't seeing the likes of these pieces ever again.Now I wonder what has become of the originals. I hope they're hanging from the wall of somebody who can appreciate them>>96846418hang in there, anon. It's looking really really good
>>96846418Looks finished bro. Really good looking. Maybe just a drybrush on the base.
So I just found out about Age of Sigmar (and the old world, but ok)Why did somebody working for GW ever think half-arsedly wiping half of the named characters and all the geography from the setting was a good idea? And why was everybody else too retarded to fire that guy?
Maybe I'm just dreaming here, but why would Norsca be on the table as a new sub-faction, or model range? Now I'm not saying Norsca shouldn't or couldn't be added, but to me it would feel like like a missed opportunity. When Archaon was the head honcho it made sense to have Norsca, but in the Old World the Everchosen is Asavar Kul of the Kurgan. Why not explore that instead of doing a repeat of what is to come in the future at some point (again) anyway?Obviously ideally we'd get both but for now I'm just interested in the what-if scenario where James comes and personally asks us what we'd rather have if we had to choose one.
>>96845808>TQChampions of Chaos is my jam. Even have the book.
Aren't the Bretonnians good little boys for being so kind to their Elven betters?
>>96847030Warhammer Fantasy was selling extremely poorly. There is a lot of debate and arguments as to why at that point in time, but GW needed some sort of shake up. People inside GW have said that completely blowing up the setting was a last minute descision and GW were toying between that and keeping the world but massively changing the setting. Ultimately having a blank slate to work with was seen as preferable
>>96847030Because the previous CEO had run the game into the ground and it wasn't selling but took up minimum a third of the storefronts and warehouse storage. TWW really revived interest in the IP and thats why it was brought back. Should it have died? no. Did it need a break and a reinvention? yes. At the end of the day we have AoS for fantasy style 40k and TOW for rank and flank so really the legends stuff is the only issue in the long run but thats an issue thats easily solveable now its shown the game is profitable as a specialist game rather than trying to make it a core pillar.
>>96846418very on brand
>>96847083>>96847085It was a while ago but I think it was a Rick Priestley interview where he said that the Warhammer World getting blown up by Chaos was something that was always planned, although his vision for it was very different. He wanted the Warhammer World just get flipped into a Chaosified version of it where all the human, dwarf and elf empires were entirely corrupted. Not sure who would've been the "good guys" in such a state, but it was definitely an aspect of the setting that was thought of well before AoS was even a design document.Think it might've been a Jordan Sorcery interview video, but I can't remember for sure.
Thanks to the anons who were helping me understand the rules better and how I might deal with Wood Elves. This was the map layout by the way. If it seems weird it's because it was already set up in the shop and we just thought it looked cool to play on. Looking at it now I definitely could have used the terrain better. I started on the bottom half of the board.
>>96847067>Ulthuan is, how you zay, our greatezt ally
>>96847110Oh! Light green is hills, dark green was forests, blue was a river, brown was a road, red was walls.
>>96847117Honestly? The Empire needs to send another $10bn to Marienberg as our bulwark against Chaos and greatest ally
>>96847085>AoS for fantasy style 40kIsn't 40k just 40k style WFB? I get that Sci-Fi != fantasy, but GW put the work in to make the aesthetic of 40k as medieval as possible.Is the switch to squad geometry really that big of a deal to begin with?
>>96847103>Warhammer World just get flipped into a Chaosified version of it where all the human, dwarf and elf empires were entirely corrupted.That's also turbo-gay.
>>96847163Compare the art of AOS 1st edition to Warhammer Fantasy and you can see how big the change in aesthetics was
>>96847163WHFB and TOW are frank and flank games. 40K and AoS are games where a unit is individual models on round bases with simplified concepts e.g taking musicians or standards or whatever is free.
>>96847179kino...
>>96847179>>96847201God I remember seeing the new art from AoS 1st ed, absolute dogshit. They've gotten better, but nowhere near the levels that WHFB hit.
>>96846451I usually like round chinned or chinless goblins but I’m really coming around to these guys
>>96847032>why would Norsca be on the table as a new sub-faction, or model range?So far it's just an excuse to release new models for Marauders and Horse Marauders, I think. maybe some new plastic models for characters (like those boxes for empire or helfs with one guy on horse and one on foot)>the Everchosen is Asavar Kul of the Kurganthey'll get there eventually, probably. I think to remember the current lore is just after the Three Emperors and Von Carstein war, so the next huge step lorewise is the Great Chaos War, Asavar, Magnus the Pious and the colleges of magic
>>96847032remind me how the story on the siege of kislev goes again? my own opinion is that they're going to lower the levels for all the factions around and keep it relatively low fantasy until then
When is GW going to update their damned Old World map on the site? It still doesn't have Cathay on it.
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>>96847254I dont expect that popping up anytime soon. Miao is too busy saving Marine burger rn
>>96847179Vermin's folly... Home.
>>96847265some other art I enjoy
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>>96847085>>96847179>>96847187No, I mean, why pick up Age of Smigmar if I want 40k-style, when 40k exists?Why would I want to have an army of Balthasar-face when even regular Ultrasmurfs look just fine?
>>96847299On release AOS was marketed as an extremely simple and much quicker game, with rules that all fit on one page. It was being positioned as a much more beginner/kid friendly version of 40k with models that looked like Space Marines
>>96847267They haven't even done much with the wood elves either though....
>>96847299because 40k is GW's flagship and translating its format into a fantasy setting would allow them to sell all those warhammer boxes catching dust in their storehouses while opening and new franchise to replace the seemingly exhausted Warhammer setting
>>96847299because you've realized you dont like getting half your army blown off the table at the first turn or that melee kinda sucks or that your game has no magic or l shaped ruins dont really cut it or that the entire game is designed and warped around killing marines or that knights and custodes introduced another issue to the game I dont even play 40k anymore but there are/were a lot of issues with 40k that would make me want to look for another game. Simplified but not simple still rings in my head.
>impotently seething about AoS general
>>96847317The storm casts models existed before the end times?
>>96847314wood elves and their "rivalry" with beastmen is forever gay and I dont care a fucking lick about it.
>>96847335>>96847317Ok, so 40k mechanics, but without 2 decades of jank&cheese.Why the new models though? And specifically the stormcasts?>>96847311And did that simplicity last?
>>96847372Space Marines as a product exist as /yourdudes/ bait. They are smooth armored blank canvases to make your donut steel ocs. Plus an easily recognisable iconic marketing mascot.They wanted stormcast to be that for fantasy. Only it became very clear very quick AoS by its high fantasy nature is a freakbeast game where people want wierd sicko characters. Which is why shit like Flesh Eater Courts are far, far more popular than regular vampires.
>>96847372No it was a complete shitshow and they had to introduce a "general's handbook" after a few months to add in a shit ton of rules and make the game actually playable
>>96847372>And did that simplicity last?lol no.A similar thing happened when 40k went to 8th edition. GW tried dumb the game down to "reduce bloat", but that ended up just making the game boring.
I had an idea for a story:A particularly hot-headed young Wood Elf sneaks out of Athel Loren and joins a Bretonnian Tournament as a mystery knightIs there anything in the lore that would make this 100% impossible?
>>96847372>Why the new models though? And specifically the stormcasts?Easy to paint, easy to appeal to timmy. All I remember watching from an interview is that stuff like the steam punk dwarves and the fish people all were pet projects and were ideas that people wanted to explore before fantasy imploded, but the setting was already warry about fleshing a faction like cathay out beyond some vauge texts. Beyond this point you're gonna have to ask the aos general. >>96847408unironically wish these were the rules for 10th 40k instead of the mess that game was for the first 4-5 months or however long until pariah nexus hit. Rerolls and eldar were fucking cancer, doubly so when the core rules aren't even pretending to be ironed out.
>>96847449His gangly unnatural freak movements and beady black animal eyes would give him away.
>>96847449>Is there anything in the lore that would make this 100% impossible?>Why does this knight have long ass ears?
>>96847432Its because they got a lot of american shareholders buying in after Hasbro and WoTC were starting to decline and pushed a "T-Sports" idea to make their core games competitive waacshit.
>>96847449Yeah, it was mentioned in the original WD version of Full Tilt even
>>96847458>>96847460I know it's improbable but those are things I think you could write around (like you don't see his weird eyes or ears because he had a big helmet on), I mean is there anything it would be breaking/contradicting
WIP on my Carroburg Greatswords. I am quite enjoying the processo of painting them as a Household guard for my Reikland General
>>96847481>I mean is there anything it would be breaking/contradictingMaybe asked about his lineage could be something? I think Brets keep pretty good records on that. Related to that, how often do Bret knights have bastard children?
>>96845955No, they're just a mix of Tolkien elves and Melniboneans
>>96847513>tolkein elves Uh huh.
>>96847340We already won. It is only a question of time until the monkey paw curls and GW releases WHFB 9h edition; totaly butchering it in doing so.
>>96847513>MelniboneansYou mean the waifer-thin critique of the British empire?
How painful is it going to be playing pike and shotte Empire?State troops - spearmen+handgun detachments, greatswords, cannons, some knights. Maybe some flagellants or free company.
>>96846086sounds like leftists, not magadont delude yourself
>>96847449Bretonnian and Elves have jousted against each other in lore, why would he need to pretend to be a human knight ?
>>96847340We got our game, we got our returning kits, we even got new kits. Oh yeah, and we got Christian Hardy. Enjoy your trans goblins and slide into a gayer version of warmahordes
>>96847408Those rules sound fun and fluffy.
>>96847696>and fluffy.The player is not part of the fluff, nor are IRL items and events.
>>96847753You are the autism and what is wrong with warhammer.
>>96847753>I want to play my dwarf vs goblin beer and pretzel grog game like a sober accountant filing a tax return>why won't anyone play with me
Imagine being the High Elf ambassador to Naggaroth
>>96847179I still dont really get what is being fought over in aos. The factions have clear motivation, but all the realms being so abstract and how explicitly magical everything is kind of ruins the vibe. I know what nuln is and I get why it's strategically important. I understand why cadia was important and strategically necessary. Aos is just sort of airy in comparison. Nothing really has any weight because it's all equally magical and reliant on divine connection if that makes sense. I dont know if I'm just not giving aos a fair shake or being a retard, but the lore really bugs me.
>>96847691It's gonna get gayed up, mark my words. There are already black imperials on official releases and woman knights.
>>96847813>ambassadorThey're clearly spies. Probably seething Naggarythian Shadow Warrior types. Alith Anar himself once played this role.
>>96847340Don't you have obese black trannies to "paint"?
>>96847571Probably fun as fuck but not particularly competitive. Two or three units of knights and a cannon or two will level the playing field
>>96847893I can see the vision here…the sovl filter vision…and it’s working…
>>96847813>when you are forced to bed with and to skin alive humans to not blow your cover
>>96847903Squares... SQUARES and PAINT
>>96847926the paints optional.
>>96845872Beastmen are team chaos' redshirts, even more so than cultists and marauders, it's cope.
>>96847840It'll be slow, they learned from Lords of the Lance. Even then, it won't be as bad as the game marketed to tranny's.
one thing i've noticed with AoS is that it's popular....but also notit constantly is top 5 of miniature kits sold in those quarterly sales infographics online, but could half of that be due to other game systems using the models?anyone wanting any form of daemons is an AoS sale, dark elves are currently an AoS sale, CSM daemon princes are an AoS sale, and not to forget some TOW players using some AoS models to give their army some more varietybut online, outside of the tabletop...you just NEVER hear about AoS as a settingit's very strange, I was at a con on the weekend and there was easily 50+ people in 40k cosplays, 2 in fantasy cosplays...but AoS? just nothingnot denying its existence, ive seen 2 in my life but one was online and one was at a warhammer world event
Do you guys know what edition these skellies are from? I want to track down more, and would a narrower search field.
>>968481907th. Good luck finding more, the boxes are going for well over a hundred bucks.
>>96848214Damn really? I got these 20 guys for 30, though they were already assembled and I had to glue some of the swords back together, Truthfully I bought them for AoS but then I got a kit of the new skellies and I just didn’t have fun painting them to the point I didn’t finish them. These guys were super fun though, to the point I wanted to check out TOW.
The ogres are on their way lads. Less than a week.
>>96847513https://youtu.be/vO308oQ3yIA?si=GmGKHrZeF04J2GYR&t=2317
>>96847541High Elves...>live on an island>used to have a big empire spanning the globe>lost it all due to hubris>sit on island and sulk about past glories>biggest offshoot is a bunch of degenerates in the New WorldChecks out.
>>96847816I think it’s correct enough that it’s an issue for the setting. Locations and their importance are important in lore for a war game.
>>96846293>BS1Lmao go on and shoot
>>96846308Cygor is pretty horrible 215 pts stone thrower. Ghorgon isn't the best either. It's kinda lame that the best monsters for beastmen are from WoC.
>>96848178Dude nobody even knew warhammer other than 40k existed before a popular franchise made a wfb reskin of their established title
Rolled 4 (1d6)>>96849060
So is there really no way for Bretonnia to deal with Wood Elf Wardancers, other than shoot them? That seems frustrating if I don't want to run bowmen/ranged units. Are there no Bretonnia units and can at least equal them in melee?
>>96849173This is a self-report more than anything.>Be UKfag>Older cousin gave me some of his spare metal Dryads, and shadow of the horned rat, and dark omen for PC in the 90's
>>96849510>>96849173you're both arguing like third worlders. can barely fucking understand you.
>>96849516Ne undergeist thu aenglisc?Sceamu for the.All my senpaitachi at the moot agree; English is whatever the English are speaking.Very parochially minded we are.
https://youtu.be/rlzx9pH4kqc?si
>>96849544too soon
>>96849544He's right tho'. End Times provided plenty of cool content. I had a blast playing games during that time. The problem was what happened after it.
TOW could do with ripping off one of AoS 2nd editions events, the only time that game was considered great not just good, like Malign Portents. Narratively Nagash was up to some bullshit, as usual, and signs of his dark magic was spreading over the land. Fields of corn that grew ears of teeth not kernels, demons of nurgle being weakened as life itself began to wane, ghosts rising up in their thousands to roam across the countryside. The selling point of this was giving each major faction a new hero unit tied into the narrative, not unlike the old albion event for WHFB.Just imagine a narrative event for TOW where its like the beastmen and orcs assaulting brettonia and the wood elves ride to their aid and all four get a new on foot hero or something and worldwide victories or losses decide the result of the event. That feels like what we are missing.
>>96846010>dark elves are the united states, not canadians>dark elves are slavers that split to north america after allNo they're Canadians, they stayed loyal to their King.
>>96849645I honestly couldn't give less of a shit about big narratives, gw should just churn out plastic kits and limit the fluff of events and characters to evocative small paragraphs in the timeline of an armybook, that's where the best stuff has always been
>>96846086>tranny behavior>actually this is what my enemies do
>>96849645>Just imagine a narrative eventI'd rather not imagine any kind of event planned and hosted by James, thanks. The worst games I've ever played were always within their events because they did nothing to police their customers.
I have a quick lore question: does the concept of divinely protected holy ground exist in WHF? Like, if a daemon were to walk into or manifest in a temple of Shallya or Sigmar or whoever, would the deity's power prevent it from doing so?
>>96849800Sure why not. It’s still a fantasy setting, basic tropes like that should work regardless.
Guys look at this wierd dog the Ungors brought home.
>>96849800yes, grounds can protected with divine magic from demons and spirits, but it's never quite as failproof as that, and it's arguably very rare
>>96849809that's just a beastman vargheist
>>96849816haha no its just a funny dog, look at him wag his tail and slobber what a silly guy staring at the does like that.
>>96849809I also got the same dog, but I think he has autism, still love em
>>96849804>>96849812Okay, thanks anons! Was thinking about an RPG scenario about a Shallyan monastery/clinic that got so chock-full of horribly sick people during an epidemic that Nurgle's influence started spreading there, but then I thought that it is a holy place after all and the sisters probably have some precautions against this sort of thing
>>96849809>>96849874What the fuck am i looking at?
Chaos warriors are a joy to assemble, paint and play
>>96849950A dog.
>>96849950>he's never seen a dogWhere the fuck are you from? Mauritius?
>>96849950Its a dog mate.
How many models a unit of Chosen is a good amount to take? The special Chosen models are kind of pricey but I think I'd like to take them since they do fit the Chosen aesthetic rather than just repurposing the basic Warriors as Chosen.
Got my dog primed, now to mull over paintjob. I like the blue in the official photos but a brown might seem more natural, but then its a chaos mutant so maybe human skin colours and a ton of red, pink and purple glazes to look like a man twisted in shape maybe?
>>96850318Also did my Cockatrice. I just didnt have the heart to destroy the fancy base i made when it was an aos project.
>>96850281Zero.Believe me anon I tried to make a big unit of 21 chosen work. I tried making a small unit of 10 work. I tried everything. I stuffed in sorcerers, a BSB, a chaos lord with the most meta magic items possible.It didn't work. It won't work. Chosen were already bad before the 1.5 errata, they're somehow even worse now.
>>96850281Honestly, foot Chosen aren't great despite the perks. They are very expensive for very minor buffs compared to standard warriors.That said, 15 is ok.
Couldn't sleep so I (somewhat) refreshed my old Nurgle chaos warriors.PS. is army of 2 chariots, hellcannon, BSB, chaos warriors, 5 chosen knights and daemon prince still a viable option or without a dragon or manticore I can go fuck myself?
>>96850476The one uber competitive player in my area swears that daemon princes are actually better than dragon lords. From personal experience, chosen knights are good, warriors and chariots are kinda bad. As for the hellcannon, I don't have one myself but I've been told it's absolutely worthless.
>>96850607Is he telling the truth tho'? Also I have seen people running 10 (or 9+sorcerer on chaos steed) chosen and I have only 5; I don't want to expand my chaos collection desu.
>>96850607>Daemon princes are actually better than dragon lordsIIRC this is due to the matched play rules restricting characters to 500pts so if you take a Chaos Lord its like 490 pts before magic items so everyone went over to using the DP.
>>96850607>DP better than DragonlordWhat kit is he giving the DP? Only 4 wounds and unstable alone is horrifying.
How to use hexwraiths marching column or in a single line? What's the strat?
>>96850703>>96850788I don't know the scientific explanation for it, all he said was that the best player in Canada always runs a DP and that said DP has Fly (9), is a level 4 sorcerer of Nurgle (daemonology), has the ogre blade, the armour of meteoric iron, 1 favour of the gods, and the extra arm gift of chaos. Old World Rankings seems to corroborate his tale, so I'm inclined to believe him, but I don't have a daemon prince so I can't know for sure.>>96850674I run 5 chosen knights and they get the job done... most of the time, when they don't get shot off the board.
>>96850338>>96850347I don't know whether I should be disappointed or relieved. On one hand I'm disappointed that Chosen are difficult justify putting on the table. On the other hand I also do not mind to just sit and wait for them to make a new proper plastic Chosen kit for TOW and possibly change their profile, as they are doing to the marauders now. The AoS Chosen aren't to my taste and I'm trying to avoid metal since I've entire armies of metal figs and want to make an "easy" army of pure plastic as possible.But for now I have no idea what to field though. I wasn't really interested in the big monsters.
I'm still trapped in assembly mold line hell, but my zeal for ze lady does not wane. Soon I start on my men at arms and "brigand" pavisiers. Claymore Castings makes wonderful archers and crossbowmen, highly recommend to any fellow long-cocked BretonniGODS.>inb4 PERRYS
Leaks were right, new models revealed next week.
>>96851180is TOW confirmed to show up?
>>96851180weird of them to show the marauders then, what could they show that's a more important release? kislev
>>96851191Mammoths, Norca character options maybe
>>96851184Yes!>>96851191Val made a good point that they tend to release Monday reveal stuff a month or so afterwards so its likely they did the Marauder and AJ reveal so they could release it before the end of the year and show the early 2026 stuff at this show.
>>96851180It's 100% Kislev
>>96851203On the TOW Facebook group, GW confirmed the new Marauder models will be on 30mm bases
>>96851191Gotta be Kislev, the new Marauders are a really great refresh, I feel like only brand new stuff would be worth showing off.
>>96850969It's not really a question of modifying their profile. I don't think Chosen would be good even if they got a ton of special rules. Their statline can't really be improved either without fundamentally changing what they are as a unit. WS5 S4 T4 A2 Ld9 is crazy good, but why would you pay points out of your special allocation for a statline like that on an infantry unit with M4? Infantry is only "good" now because of the CR changes and because they fight in an extra rank when they get charged. I'm sure you can figure out why Chosen and even regular chaos warriors didn't benefit from these changes.I wanted to fill out the rest of this post with complaints about the absolute state of the chaos rules in TOW, but I can't be bothered. Just go look at the lists people are bringing to tournaments. Things are dire.
>>96851256If they're confirming it, seems like its gotta be coming soon.
Soon.
I heard from multiple sources but I'm not so originates from but I've heard a few times the Elves The Swordmasters of Hoeth do take into account the weight of the eyelashes when they are fighting with the swords that they take that much into account with the training.Does anyone know the source of this achievement and if it's canonical?
>>96851191rumours have been saying Kislev early 2026 for a long time now but it's surprising we'e not had substantial rumours/leaks since last year on that front. Then again no one suspected the marauders either so TOW seems far more locked down than usual for GW.
Fatties are deluded. Will be another arcane journal with nothing exciting in it.
>>96851680The new TK and Marauder stuff has been pretty exciting, so I think the good AJ trend will continue.
>>96851180>>96851191>>96851203If I keep wishing, it will become true.
>>96851776What about settras fury was good
>>96851827The Boarder Prince rules are fun.
>>96851827Official small games rules.Tomb King IncantationsRenegade Crown RulesFlavorful (if bad) Slayer listReally only thing disappointing were the Tomb King horse rules and Winged WarSphinx
>>96851849No pikes tho'.
>>96851870Yeah it was only really disappointing if you were expecting a full DoW list which is understandable.
It already leaked its the Ogres arcane journal and the old gorgers come back but the maneaters havent.
>>96851910
>>96851910Shut it, stop lying.
High elf spearman & archers need a update bad, they look so bad in comparison to something like seaguard.
>>96852075then buy seaguards>but they cost moooreupdated spearmen and archers won't cost less
>>96851180Finally the Brets and TK battalions, it is obvious.
>>96852075Eh I don’t fucking care about elves. I need more humans.
PLACE YOUR BETS FUNKY DEALERS ITS PREDICTION TIME, WHAT ARE THEY REVEALING?
>>96852194Something that I absolutely won’t care for. Dogs of war or bust.
>>96852194>Brettonian and Tomb King Battalion boxes>Ogre Arcane Journal to coincide with AoS reveal of Ogre line revamp>Kislev model reveals with no release date outside of coming next year>Dogs of War coming next year>Something hero or command for existing army gets a resin revamp.
>>96852194Ogres
>>96852194Kislev Models, Ogre Journal, some new on foot heroes now they have farted out the wizards.
>>96852194whatever it is, it will be cold, I won't like it I dream for the tropical factions
>>96852194Plastic centigors!
>>96852194Disappointment. It'll be something that no one asked for, possibly a model for a unit that is virtually unusable. Like a new Slayer.
>>96852194>Last reveal show: Expected Beastmen and Wood Elves (confirmed since the game launched).>Got that and a full Cathay reveal.>This reveal show: Expect Kislev and Ogres>Will get a look at the Razing of the Westerland AJ and nothing else.
>>96852320Ogres will suddenly and unceremoniously get axed from GayoS and get added to TOW mid-2e
>>96852381>>96852320>>96852257>>96852230>>96852222Sounds like cope.Show one - ONE - reliable source that ogres are coming back to TOW. Not that Ogres are going to be removed from AoS - but that they actually get a TOW release. I dare you. I double dare you.
>>96852472You think they are just going to destroy all the current WHFB models because of a line revamp when they can rebox them and sell them to TOW grogs? You think GW will choose the option that doesn't let them double dip and milk wallets?
>>96852472>Ogres will be removed from AoS and then… thrown in the trash with the molds destroyedLOL AoStranny cope gets more pathetic and hopeless by the day
>>96852494>>96852506Wishful thinking. Remember when savage orcs were removed from AoS? Have you seen them since?>AoStrannyI'm not your mom.
>>96850281I use 20 and have the opposite opnion io this Anon >>96850338 I find them fucking great with greatweapons.
>>96852194Savage Orcs
>>96852494I doubt that legacy factions will get touched purely because it will set a precedent they probably don't want to commit to THIS edition, and they also wouldn't have developed any models for them since the 'confined to legacies' decision will have prevented any development from at least two years ago. They only shat out Cathay so fast because it was ready to go, Kislev will be the same.
>>96852529>but muh savage orcslol, lmao.
>All the guys with in's at GW are working on Ogre armies right nowYeah buddo, its everyone getting hyped for legend rules from two years ago.
>>96851127nice stuff. I've been looking at claymore casting myself. How is the quality of the cast?
>>96852662Unless they’re adding more models why does anyone actually care about an arcane journal. Armies of infamy have almost all been terrible so what, it a couple new magic items It’s not like you can’t play them right now
>>96852194
>>96852194Dark elf refresh, I can feel it coming
>>96852662The cryptic bullshit leak for AoS suggested the Ogors would start worshipping The Great Maw again, would be wild if it was cryptic bullshit about them getting sent back to TOW.
Did fantasy ever do tomb Kings novels?
>>96852194I bought the beastmen battallion box so they are remaking gors and ungors
>>96852194>WHAT ARE THEY REVEALING?Some fine lads just lookin' for a bite to eat.
>>96852968Grom the Paunch of Misty Mountains?
>>96852951there's the Nagash trilogy which is very in depth on their origins but some of it is sort of retconned now. Other than that you have the Gotrek and Felix story about Khalida.
>>96852951the books about nagash and neferata, I guessthere was also one with gotrek & felix where they meet khalida, and I don't know if it's true or not either khalida or one of khalida's mummified guards say felix wouldn't have survived a night of sex with them when they were alive
>>96851180>a leak for the anouncement of the anouncementthe absolute state of consoom
>>96852951Lords of the Lance technically, but the TK get basically zero characterisation in that book besides being cruel and authoritarian when alive.The Negash Trilogy and that one Gotrtek and Felix story are the only other ones I can think of
>>96852739I imagine its a Cathay style one of "this is what would be in the forces of fantasy book but it wasnt out yet" but for Ravening Hordes over a Beastmen journal since Beastmen were in the RH book.
>>96852692Claymore Castings stuff is fantastic. I have quite a lot of their figures (but not really for Warhammer related things), mostly for generic fantasy stuff. I would say they are slighter than GW figures (not really shorter, just finer) but I don't really have a photo that has a real comparison. Here's a force for Dragon Rampant that has a mix of msotly Claymore and Fireforge, with a few GW bits here and there.
What's coming lads? IMO we are getting the mammoth.
>>96852992Jesus the old minis are so characterful!
>>96853123
>>96853260I have ogres coming in the mail, so believe me when I say I wish what you were saying was true. But I think it's just going to be the mammoth for Old World. Maybe I am reading too much into the " seismic " and tying it to Old World needlessly.
>>96853271>Maybe I am reading too much into the " seismic "most probably
>>96853123I mean seismic isn't referring to just Old World so I doubt there is a connection unless you think 40k is getting a new ironclad dreadnought with seismic hammer, AoS is getting warp grinders and horus heresy is getting the termite siege drills or something.
>>96852968>>96853260I'd be surprised if it was anything ogre. Not because I think they won't come back, but it seems weird to announce them before the aos revamp. Could be that they announce both at the same time of course, but aos show is probably going to be centered around nurgle and maybe cities of sigmar to coincide with darkwater. Their new dwarfs are probably more of an end of edition thing, to avoid overlap with chorfs who just released. That leaves ogres in the middle, maybe this time next year?>>96853123I'm guessing mammoths yeah, that's like the one longstanding tow rumour for a while now. Kislev if we're lucky.
>>96853271they called the last reveals seismic too, it's either just a word whoever manages the social media pages is weirdly fixated on, or he asked some bot to paraphrase the text instead of writing 3 genuine new lines of text
Valrak literally JUST brought up that he's heard Kislev is slated for very soon
>>96853325>*burps greasily* a'woight youns, 'ave 'eard from thuh lads down't pub that geedobs is like well proper re'leesun' kisluv some tahm in twenny twenny sigz innit? sound *drains can of stella and sharts loudly*
>>96853325Where? Link?
>>96845955That's like saying the Badlands are based on the UK because the orcs are a play on British hooligans. It's a fucking British game, most of the factions are influenced by British stuff. Ulthuan is not based on Britain in the same way the Empire is based on the HRE or Kislev on eastern Europe.
>>96853340he's live right now
>>96853373Timestamp on the stream? I am not watching 30+ mins of Valrak for something that may not even be in there
>>96853383>I am not watching 30+ mins of Valrak for something that may not even be in thereYou are so close to catching on to the point of the bait
>>96853383about 12:00 in
>>96853325no, he said he's only heard about dogs of war
>>96853401>>96853423About 14 mins in, he does actually say " a little birdie told me they have heard whispers of Kislev " but then he also brings up Dogs of War so it's probably dogshit and not an accurate rumor.He does say that he thinks something large is coming for TOW otherwise they would have just kept the marauders in their pocket for the show.
>>96845808I love this art so much. Perfect amount of realism to sell the grimdark. Really shows how shitty it would be to have to live in this world.
>>96853442why ask about it if you don't think Valrak is creditable anyway retard?
>>96853447The models make em look like slightly thick gorilla but these things are fucking massive jeez
>>96853474It's called journalism FAGGOT
>>96853494Despite the Troll Slayers and such, they are stronger than ogres individually and far, far more dangerous. Even in-game, strength 5 vs 4 for an ogre. Plus the acidic vomit which would cripple even an ogre.
>>96852529>Remember when savage orcs were removed from AoS before TOW existed? Checkmate chuddieKys, last reply you get out of me
Welp looks like people in the know are saving Kislev vs Ogres is the next TOW deal. Its snownigga time.
>>96853529>removal of bonesplitters from aos: announced july 2024, effective January 2025>arcane journal orcs & goblins tribes: April 2024
>>96853613
People in the know have leaked a teaser poster for the upcoming slayer versus vampire count campaign that’s coming soon.
>>96853613Many people are saying that your maw sells Avon.Is there any substance to this? - I have been unable to verify independently as she won't stop slobbering on my dick to answer questions but as we all know there's no smoke without fire.
>>96853613>@Gork>IS DIS TROO?!
On a scale of 1-10 how mad will you be if Ogres are actually coming to TOW before any other legends faction?
>>96853813but I haven't had breakfast this morning
>>96853813Ogres will only come back with dogs of war. I wont accept anything else.
>>96853852I mean have you seen the stuff in the Setra book? if thats not setting up DoW i dont know what is.
>>96853813ogres aren't getting their aos makeover until late next year, give it a rest, bro
>>96853123>Seismic newsTHE RETVRN!
>>96853716No, it's not even a rumor, it's just wishful thinking.
>>96853613I mean they DID go out of their way to say Kislev's territory includes the northern parts of the mountains of mourn...
>>96854038only because they're writing kislev as pals with cathay with a road for them
>>96854079Kislev & CathyThe dream team that will stop the End Times.
What's your favourite Empire color scheme?https://files.catbox.moe/7jtpq8.pdf
>>96854148Currently painting Carroburg Greatswords.
...and then, out of nowhere Slambo.
>>96854148Do have a soft spot for Stirland desu.
>>96853447Love the pics, wish i never gave the book to my brother who trashed it
>>96854148Reikland and Nordland are underrated
>>96851127>pavisiersMan I love pavises. I am tempted to do a renegade army just so I can do nothing but pavise Crowsbowmen.
>>96854148Hochland and Averland are my favorite. They're just very visually striking. How about you, anon?
>>96853613Don't get my hopes up anon.Kislev vs Ogres would be too kino for modern GW to do.
>>96850318What the dog doing?
>>96854148They are all equally mid
>>96854318I'm a touch fearful that they'd fuck up the Kislev range by making it 90% ice magic bullshit and warrior women. Don't get me wrong, ice magic can be very cool, but should be relegated to one or two units (other than wizard characters) tops. And blades of ice is not the way to make ice magic cool.
If they ever redo the Phoenix Guard kit they need to go back to the old desing. These look 10x cooler than the current plastics. It's really just the cape over the shoulder looks so fucking cool.
Any Ogre Kingdomsfantasy books ?
>>96854148STIRLAND BESTLAND
>>96854390>>96845808>The use of Magic by specific people has long been accepted by its people, Kislev was founded by a Ice Witch, is supported and protected by witches, and is currently ruled by a Ice Witch. In Kislev, magic is solely practised by women and consequently seen as a feminine art with any visiting male spellcasters often becoming figures of hatred and/or ridicule, for no sane man would risk his soul by meddling with womanly matters.>The roles of warrior and hunter are traditionally almost exclusive to men in Kislev, and thus so are the priesthoods of Ursun and Tor. The existence of Imperial priestesses of Taal and Ulric are taken by many traditional Kislevite priests as an example of the Empire's decadent ways and the womanly softness of its culture.Just a reminder in the event Kislev comes out and they've trooned it
>>96854410
>>96854410from BL?One called Wild Kingdom would count, but it is not from an Orge's perspective, it just mostly takes place in the Orge Kingdoms
>>96854449Never saw the appeal of these guys. Who wants to paint and field an army of fat retards?
>>96853123Kragnos is coming to fantasy and 40k.That is all.
>>96852662You know, if a big renewal of the ogre range was imminent there'd conversely be an impetus not to build an army of soon to be "deprecated" models.
>>96854477You wouldn’t get it…..
>>96854545Could be a dual range situation like Warriors of Chaos/Slaves to Darkness. AoS gets the refreshed models, and the range they hadn’t touched for a decade gets sent back to TOW.
>>96854477*fat violent retards
I do not see the appeal in thundertusks or whatever the ogre monster is.
>>96854634Ogres should have gotten a mammoth
>>96854634It's a musk ox scaled up with bigger horns and a more protected head
>>96854477They aren't retards thats orcs. They are Mongolian hordes.
>>96849809>>96849874>dogMy Ungors found a weird bird.
>>96854634All the non-rhinox animals for ogres have been shit.
>>96854701The stonehorn is ok as this weird mineral eating thing, the thundertusk is inexcusable tho
>>96854701I like the Yhetee, and it makes sense for them to be in the mountains of mourn but i still don't think they make sense for Ogres. Carrion birds are fine though
>>96854504And Kremlo!
>>96854716>weird mineral eating thing,It always can't across as a "I didn't really know what this is supposed to be" sorta monster especially since it's just another monster with a head swap..>>96854722I agree. I don't really include yhetee or gorgers in with the animals.
So we got 5 armies last year>Brettonia, TK, Orcs & Gobbos, Chaos warriors and Dwarfs5 armies this year>Empire, High Elves, Wood Elves, Beastmen and CathayWhat are the odds we get another 5 armies next year now that they've caught up to the original 9 confirmed factions?Kislev is pretty likely obvious and Skaven and Vampire Counts have both been squatted out of AoS but would that be it? Or would we have to wait for a 2nd edition for more armies beyond Kislev.
>>96854853I guess Ogres are the next one to get squatted seeing as AoS chaos dwarves replaced Gnoblars with Hobgrots and Dark Elves may as well be squatted.
>>96854853I think it’s HH time to get some toys instead of tow
>>96854853>What are the odds we get another 5 armies next year nowlow
>>96854874They got saturnine and the Fellblade since ToW got Cathay.
>>96854148Averland, easily.
>>96854874but HH is a dead system and GW know it
>>96854477Hits to close to home huh?
>>96854698Thanks for reminding me that I don't have good harpies for my beastmen.
>>96847802>so what if GW made these rules explicitly to mock the game I like, me, and their whole customer base?>I LIKE prancing about like a nonce in a nursery with zero dignity or self-respect 'cos I'm a huge attention seeking faggot, SO THERE!
>>96848214Man your secondary market is fucked. There's loads of boxes for 30-40 quid on bongbay.
>>96849576This has to be bait. I refuse to believe God would create a creature with so little taste.
>>96851571Probably because TOW is one bloke in a shed writing rules and another bloke in a basement cupboard doing the sculpts. Hard to spill any secrets when you're the only possible target of corporate retribution, even if you were so inclined.
>>96855057you are either being obtuse or actually know jack shit about the production of GW products to even suggest this, but nearly all leaks at GW come from the promotional department, third party playtesters or distribution.
>>96852692Thanks brother. CC has really excellent stuff like the other anon said, all in all their range is fantastic.
>>96855023>>I LIKE prancing about like a nonce in a nursery with zero dignity or self-respectYes, I am literally /mydoods/ general when I'm playing and I will act accordingly. Lumberfoot.
I have a bunch of metal orc/gobbo artillery coming in the mail and I am nervous. I haven’t worked with metal since I was a teenager well over a decade ago.
>>96855430What's there to be nervous about? Trim the mold lines, glue the pieces together, pin them if they're big pieces/liable to fall apart
>>96855046DURING the end times people were very excited and I remember all the books going out of stock immediately I think most of us (I certainly did) believed it to be just a one time event. I don't think anyone could imagine the game would literally be discontinued and announced finished soon after.
>>96855452Most younger gamers have been victimized by the rather insistent fear mongering about metal models being impossible to work with.
>>96855148That's gay as fuck my guy. Post your army tiny prancing man.
>>96855480I remember it being like storm of chaos but with less hype.
>>96855480I’ve seen it described as a “cool moments in a real dumb plot” by others, sort of like how people like the Horus Heresy, when they really mean they like 10-12 books out of 50+. People had soured on it because that real dumb plot led to the end of the setting.
>>96855538I never understood why people are convinced that since the lore had a world ending event; it meant that the game also was meant to be commercially ended.The fact that GW actually did that is mind-boggling though.
>>96855495>he doesn't prance, frolic, and caperngmi
>>96855148Half the fun of making an army is getting into your games like that. Good stuff, Anon.
i was showing my fwends this is my painted night goblins so far what do u think?5 more night gobbo spears some snotlings a few more archers and 5 squig hoppers is that enough to play a game or
>>96845808Vampire Counts question.Do you miss having Bloodlines as mechanically defined things? Or do you prefer the freedom of nothing being locked behind a bloodline? If you had to bring Bloodlines back to TOW, either as part of a VC full army list, or just a facelift to their legacy army, or as an arcane journal, how would you go about doing it?
>>96854912Nothing wrong with you being an ogre anon. He just finds them repulsive enough to not waste his time painting an army of them
>>96855785Love it
>>96856186I like the idea of Bloodlines, but sometimes it could be too restrictive in practice. A middle ground between 6th and 8th would be ideal. As for doing Bloodlines in TOW, I'd basically treat it like how the arcane journal handled Knightly Orders. Stat modifiers to existing units. von Carstein>+1 Leadership and +1 to their Indomitable rating, no other modifiers, Carsteins are the default.Blood Dragon>+2 Weapon Skill. Can take full plate armor and cast in armor if not using the Renegade Legacy Pack. Can only buy a single wizard level, Dark Acolyte can take them to level 2. Lahmian>-1 WS, +2 I, can only wear Light Armor. Can take a warbow with the Arrows of Asaph Rule. Necrarch>-2 WS, can't wear armor. +1 Wizard level. Strigoi are already represented with Ghoul Kings, give them a thrall equivalent that can pull BSB duty. That's the clean way without adding a bunch of new vampire powers that could fuck with game balance. I would appreciate more vampire powers, but we don't need them. Could maybe add a new unit per bloodline but not necessary.
>>96855785It's beautiful
Does anyone have any ideas how to make chaos knights dual wield weapons?
>>96856694get cheap chaos warriors from second hand, cut them at the torso (they all have a belt so it wouldn't look weird) and glue them to the knight's legs
>>96856694instead of gluing the shield to the left arm you stick a weapon onto that onethe chaos warriors sprue should have enough of left hands holding weapons, it's just a matter of minor cutting for those to fitif I were you I'd use both the left arms and the right arms, and unhelmeted heads of the basic chaos for these dual wielding knights (perhaps even replacing the heavy pauldrons with something else), so you free all the knights' heads, weapons and shields to turn normal chaos warriors bodies (or blood warriors) into cooler sets of marked warriors or chosen
>>96856805>(or blood warriors)
>>96856857>>96856857
