Previous: >>96846537NEW SECRET LAIR ALERT Edition!>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQ:What Playstation Secret lair are you getting today?
>TQI'm waiting for the Encyclopedia drop next week, the Playstation cards don't thrill me, not least because there's no Crash Bandicoot
Hybrid sisters forgot to dilate it appears. Probably already carving messages in bullets for when the hybrid change doesn't happen lmao.
>>96850745>TQNone seem worth it. Maybe the horizon zero dawn one because blightsteel? None of the unique commanders are all that thrilling. Maybe Father and Son Kratos. Aloy or whatever the zero dawn chick also looks kind of fun but it is just generic simic artifact shit.I also have no attachment to the characters as I have never played any of the games in any of these series. Except the first God of War decades ago.
>>96850796>carving messages in bulletsNow now anon. They aren't Chuds.
>>96850796Trinket Mage ended up self-reporting that people who oppose hybrid have massive autism.
>>96850785>Crash BandicootWhat color would he ve? RG?
>>96850834>everyone who disagrees with fundamental rule changes has autismit must be easy when you write off all dissenting opinions
>>96850845Because the only person who opposes it is polschizo.
>cast chaos warp >has hexproof from x>well shit, I cast it>target the least threatening thing another opponent has>guy gets super pissed off that he lost gis card draw to a misplay>months later, few games>always targets me and my permanents>start running more protection and interaction >return the favor archon of cruelty when he targets me>tidebinder it when he attacks me with it, block it because no flying>reanimate it, he scoops>argues that the spell fizzles because the target is invalid>other players say he scooped midcast, and hes not in the game anymore>sits there for 20 minutes seething and shuffling his urza deck>leaveThat was my sunday, I’m starting to have more and more regulars I dont want to play with at my lgs
>>96850745>TQNone. The only time I ever care about secret lair is for kawaii anime shit like the Miku stuff.
>>96850859I oppose it on color identity grounds.
>>96850859Dont forget Swordfag. Its hilarious that those two ended up teaming up to radiate cosmic autism into the thread over this.
>>96850859>because [[headcanon]]it wouldn't be a topic of discussion if only one person cared.
>>96850861Yeo, mtg attracts some interesting characters. We have a guy who refuses to admit he's ever lost a game in legacy. It was a funny joke at first but when legacy stopped being supported at our store he started saying it unironically.
>>96850861When you bounce you gotta tell people the reason why is that you don't want to play that guy.
>>96850870>>96850873Classic polschizo phonepost samefag.
>>96850859I oppose it because fuck maro and fuck companions
>>96850864>kawaii anime shit like the Miku stuff.Why not Kratos god of war?
>>96850859I know this is bait, but I also think it's a very stupid change.
>>96850907Because I have no interest in GODS.
>>96850872>Dont forget Swordfag.where is he when you need him?
>>96850921>>96850909
>>96850823Holy gaslighting>>96850834>opposing anarchosloppa is autism now
>>96850936>WTF WHY AREN'T YOU AGREEINGlol erytime
>>96850861>>argues that the spell fizzles because the target is invalidimo if you cast a spell and declare an invalid target you should just put that shit back in your hand.Idk what tournaments do though.
>>96850907Why am I meant to like Kratos?
>wake up>reminded wotc controls the formatWhat a depressing note to start the workweek on
>>96850939I'm just fucking with you comrade. I think color identity itself should be done away with.
>>96850952we need a rules committee apology form stat
>>96850861>>96850890I had a guy crash out on me as well this weekend, and I feel bad but also I don't give a shit. >pregame talk about high powered decks, cyc rifts, etc>30 minutes, turn 8, nothing happening>end the game with mana geyser+crackle+flare of duplication>guy tells me I always do this, packs up and leaves
>>96850864The miku one was horrible because most of the art was 3dpd.
>TQNone. Where's Crash? Jak? Ratchet? Shit, I'd take the guy from fucking Infamous or a Feisar AGV. But no, it's all these fucking garbage boring ass movie "games".
>>96850945>Why am I meant to like Kratos?Yeah, whats not to love? Also this card will be worth big bucks in a few years!
>>96851004I have played commanders like this. You either win and knock people all out early or you run out of steam and do jack shit. I don't find that very fun.And he'll never reach the price of shit like 14th Doctor.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96851004The fact that it's slop, and from a terrible and butchered video game series about an emasculated onions boy?
Wtf I love scrylands
>>96851020>i didnt play those games but i can parrot retards about themok
>>96850816>generic simicNoob here. What do people mean when they say generic simic x ? It seems like this term is used to describe anything and everything in that color pair.
>>96851002Who cares, it's all equally shit
>>96851031why?
>>96850861>>96850995Everyone at my LGS is chill.>play with people there>everyone has a jolly time>if someone makes a mistake or a misplay or whatever, someone will explain how to do it right and let people "undo" stuff like a miscast >no sweats, no fuss>get funny shit happening sometimes like a guy who is absurdly good and has multiple cedh wins under his belt do stuff like play a Flubs deck for memes>guy once played Mr Foxglove and didn't just pack his deck with huge monsters, just to throw everyone offOverall it's been fun. We regularly get 15-20 people each time on commander days too.
>>96851002>Crash Bandicoot>Jak and Daxter>Ratchet and ClankNow that's some prime fucking taste. I'd also like Spyro, but only circa Spyro 1-2.
>>96851028mostly generic ramp and card draw, both at no downsides having cards and being able to play them no matter what means you can do just about anything well
>>96851036Not magicMostly dogshit narrative games and outdated platformers I like crash more than the average guy but come on, it would make for a shit lair
>>96851071Kratos and son as well as the Samurai man fit in the magic better than anything in EOE, Aethershit, Karlov manner, or Duskmourn>dude from Greece>dude from JapanYou cannot argue "THIS IS SO OUT OF PLACE" with historical style guys from civilizations magic decided to copy.
>>96851078>hating on EoEFuck outta here.
>>96850861Well you did remove his thing with an illegal play to begin with.
>>96851098the fact it was used as a gateway for Star Trek retroactively makes me hate it
>>96851004desu should have been 4 red manabut I like the idea of a mono-red deck that's all about combat phasesI always wanted to make a deck that's built around Kharn the Betrayer with Assault Suit
>>96851024I don't need to play the games to see that they made Kratos into a basedchugger.
>>96851150You do realize not a single person has any idea what that means, right?>i didnt play the gamesconcession accepted
>>96851028the funny thing about simic is that not only do they naturally go over the top of whatever shit casuals run, the people simic stomps on don't like running fast combos or optimizing their decks which leads to simic having a high win percentage relative to other colors
>>96851028as with izzet, wotc has zero creativity with simic design so 90% of their cards are "draw a card and get an extra land". Thus most simic decks tend to be pretty generic because they don't need deck-specific value engines.
the pushed playstation franchises are absolute laughable, uncool dogshit. I fail to grasp who those people are, who unironically like retarded characters like the last of us tranny, cuck of soi, literally who redhead lesbian or generic adventure guy getting beaten up by random woke characters.what absolute cancer, manufatured by corpos to be gobbled up by pigs.
>>96851157Anyone who says 'concession accepted' is generally too stupid to make a point, which is perfectly in line with how you are talking.>>96851028>>96851162Simic is just generically good at basically everything. Best draw, best ramp, best removal (counterspells), it's just a braindead easy color combo to play. It doesn't help that WOTC keeps printing broken cards for it, because blue is the favorite color of the designers.
>96851199ragebait
>>96851199Just look at the retarded anon trying to claim Sony did not emasculate Kratos, lol >>96851157
>More than an hour waitIs it over for me bros?
>>96851199I couldn't have said it better myselfGod of war has fallen so far from the ps2 era, hell ps has in generalAnd even if they were still cool, its still a dated cross over when crossovers are already played out
>>96851200simic notably has no wraths - much less spot removal for creatures - but as i said, it effectively doesn't need to, as casuals don't know (and refuse to) pressure the simic player, and whatever silly 5 card combo they have is easily negated
>all right boys lemme see them cards!>wow you guys sure have some nice cards, powerful and good looking too these must've been expensive!>I'll just put them in a single pile over here don't worry my sleeves are similarly colored to yours but I'll know what's which>of course I washed my hands after eating that big mac earlier anon don't be so paranoid!>oh snap this is a double faced card let me just slide it out here to see what the other side is...
>>96851209>>96851199>>96851200>samefagging>admits he has no familiarity with the media he is angry about
>>96851199it's funny how aloy is a lot prettier in card form when her appearance in her actual game is shit lol
>>96851251>no way theft decks exist!!!lmao
>>96851157If I was you, I would unironically kill myself. I could never stand to be such a miserable failure of a man that unironically likes nu-kratos. what a sad, worthless life this would be. I hope you die soon.
>>96851249Simic doesn't need wraths when it has Cyclonic Rift, Aetherize, Aetherspouts, Desynchronization, and so many other 'bounce everything I dislike' cards, as well as a handful of green cards that can sort of work like wraths, like Bane of Progress.>>96851254lol>>96851270Yeah same, I have no idea how people can like estrogen Kratos, let alone be excited to use him in MTG
>>96851249>simic notably has no wraths It has all the blue mass bounce spells and stuff like aetherspouts.>much less spot removal for creaturesPongify, Rapid Hybridisation, Resculpt, Reality Shift
>>96851254glad that little faggots like you are getting called out. always remember: people like you are not wanted or needed around here. go suck corporate cock somewhere else you homosexual retard.
>>96851275You also have green land removal, as well as good ol Beast Within. Simic is genuinely a color combo with almost no weaknesses at all, or the weaknesses rarely matter in most play.
>>96851231I fully believe no one is actually let in until a minimum of 30 minutes. Have ytou ever heard of a single person being super lucky and getting an early spot in line? No. It never happens. Best I have seen someone get is 40 minutes. So I don't even believe the store is fucking open. When it begins notifying you shit sold out is when it actually opens
>>96851278>>96851273Dude calm down, I'm sorry that you didn't play video games but get mad at them anyway because some youtuber told you to.
>>96851251One of the least interesting of the uniques. Grixis theft isn't a new idea. The only reason to run this is that you like evil Indiana Jones a lot.
>>96851249>no wrathsOop sorry you attacked while I had blue open return all your stuff to your hand tee hee>no spot removalDon't worry fren of course I'm not going to counterspell your commander! Anyways it's a colorless forest now.
>>96851249Nevs disc? O stone? All is dust?
>>96851249Peak Cunningham's Law content.
>>96851297>I'm sorry that you didn't play video gamesthis is one of the most laughable comments I have ever read from a failed nu-male. like I said before: I hope death finds you soon, so your miserable existence stops fueling woke corpo-slop. you disgusting little vermin.
>>96851302The fact that simic gets to run both of the incredibly obnoxious 'turned into a land' enchantments is quite vile. So many people will scoop in response to their commander being turned into a land, with no way to remove the enchantments or kill their creature in response.>>96851297Anon, you aren't impressing anyone, and you probably aren't being paid well enough to be a shill, so why get this mad?
I am sooooo fucking sick of this “teehee I’m so evil” content. It’s all new players too, this shit is how they cope with losing. It’s all wish fulfillment fantasizing about how they’d totally own the “cEDH” (see: bracket 3) deck they lost to last week>DUUUDE THIS IS SOOO EVIL>I KNOW RIGHT YOU SHOULD CHECK OUT A LITTLE CARD CALLED “STRIP MINE”
>>96851322Embarrassing.
>>96851287I got let in and checked out 8 minutes ago
>>96851342Prove it.
>>96851344
>>96851361Looks fake
>>96851339liking dogshit video games and then feeling sorry about people not playing those dogshit video games is extremely embarrassing, yes. no wonder people like you commit suicide in droves.
>>96851361good move to cover up that order number, I would’ve called them to cancel it
>>96851342Congrats!
>>96851333>NOOOO STOP DESTROYING MY LANDS! NOOOOOOOOO
>>96851245>uh no one likes crossoversNo economic data shows this, really. Crossovers always sell the best.
>>96851333>No one in this image is calling it evil>no one is talking about brackets>none of what anon is projecting is contained in his visual evidence he brought
>>96851231>estimated wait: 14 minutes>suddenly fucking DOUBLESFucking theme park line tier piece of shit
>>96851287i was insanely lucky and got in instantly, only 2min wait but then PayPal shat itself at checkout. now im back in the queue with over an hour. oh well
>>96851403don’t piss me off
>>96851418Ok? Fact remains it wasn't in your original image. Thanks for getting the evidence we requested
>>96850973Apology for what? Saying Dockside self-selects for 5 years?
>>96851381th-this isn't from a Magic card, is it?
>MLD is evilYou gonna learn today, son
>>96851472>>96851418My favorite card in red, goes in every deck. Fuck your game plan it's time for bullshit
>>96851452No it is from a random picture of Poison from Final Fight ass raping Spider-Man. I found it on /aco/ and thought Spider-Man's face was fucking hilarious.
I think kratos and Boi looks fun
>>96851444for not appreciating what we had more while we still had it
>>96851482I think you look fun
>>96851472MLD is just kind of the ultimate Timmy spell. big, retarded, flashy play that doesn’t even win the game. it’s super oppressive at low power tables, and unplayably bad at high power tables. My least favorite kind of card. Like eldrazi, or Edgar markov, or ur dragon. the ceiling for these cards is bracket 3
>>96851500you can absolutely build a B4 Markov, but I agree otherwise.
>>96851500MLD is extremely funny and should be played more often.
>>96851472you are a pale imitation of me
>>96851491The worst thing WotC did was un-GC Kinnan and guess which entity didn't do anything about him to begin with for 5 years?
>>96851509I guess if all you want to do is ensure the game goes on forever.
>>96851513lmao
>>96851533
>>96851472I love how high mana cost red is always just "nah we starting over"
>>96851549It's legit hey you're having fun?? Hold my beer
>>96851119>Well you did remove his thing with an illegal play to begin with.Not necessarily. Its possible anon tapped the mana, revealed the card, said he cast it, and then realized that his intended target was not legal so he had to declare another one.
>>96851500>Worldfire doesn't win you the game
>>96851533>I guess if all you want to do is ensure the game goes on forever.but that's the whole rationale of MLD being a boogeyman - because it drags the game downif you use worldfire correctly the MLD part of it is an afterthought
>>96851564I always find it weird that the assumption is the guy who uses MLD cannot possibly have any ability to capitalize on it and is as unprepared as the people who never expected it.
how do you make a mistfolk tribal edh deck?We need all the changelings, possibly shapeshifters? Definitely mistfolk. Tons of blue.
>>96851572>I always find it weird that the assumption is the guy who uses MLD cannot possibly have any ability to capitalize on it and is as unprepared as the people who never expected it.because that actually is the caseMLD people often have no idea about erhnamgeddon principles and what normally happens is that they blow up their own lands with no threat at all
>Cast decree of annihilation with pic rel out>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO>can't be attacked, kill my opponents with it
I quite like EOE
>>96851472>someone cast worldfire? Guess I gotta get cast from the command zone now
>get hammered down all game long by 3 people>down to 5 life, two people at 30-40, one at 60>doing pretty much nothing at this point, tutor up a lifelink equipment and put it on a 10/10 construct>swing at 40 life hylda because he's the only one that can't block>phases out>60 life player next, goes up to 100 and has 2 40/40 angels now>30 life player next, swings at me to finish me off>UW player scoops>100 life player finishes last guyI have no idea what I just witnessed. They must have had a serious grudge against me.
>>96851605I kinda wanna use this as a board wipe in Golbez and just make everyone, including me, mill half
>>96851606redpill me on this guy. what exactly is his plan?
>>96851595No, it's a fucking meme.
>>96851606I mean obviously MLD doesn’t matter if you’re using it to immediately win the game as part of a combo. Then it’s no different than any other 2 card combo. Unfortunately in real life these cards are played by redditors who love trolling the table and the end goal is just to piss people off
>>96851617>make everyone, including me, mill halfreal
>>96851375I would have to someone else too
>>96851643I have never seen someone play worldfire or sway of the stars and not immediately end the game
Help me bros. I need a commander for 5c Humans and Bant tokens and can't make a decision.
>>96851682Najeela and Brenard>>96851645hell yeah
Ask a guy who spent $421 on this secret lair anything?
>>96851411>successfully order>my card company then texts me to say my card is declined>wotc let it go through though>no notice from wotc to me>wotc does not allow you to change payment methods if there is an issueOh well guess I ain't getting shit. I didn't want them that much as is.
>>96851694lole
>>96851631>No, it's a fucking meme.demand wotc unban upheaval then lol
The devil is telling me to make a shrine deck
>>96851803I'm going to do you, and consequently Sliver players all the biggest favor I can. Google a Shrine (or Sliver if you so choose) deck. Look at it, check other decks (they're all the same with extremely mild variation and mostly that's in land base)Now goldfish that deck a few times online. Congratulations you've played literally every Shrine (Sliver) deck in the history of Magic and saved yourself a huge amount of money and time building one of the lowest creativity, sameiest deck concepts ever constructed.
>>96851825I see
>>96851643no you can win the turn mld comes down and people will still be pissed off even if its functionally the same as comboing off
>>96851833There's virtually nothing unique to do with the cards and almost no reason to even build them. I'm sorry, anon. May I recommend if you're deadset on 5 colors going for using that new silly space station and focusing on tokens or something? It has no specific buildpath so you can use whatever you like.
>>96851825>>96851856Just because you have no creativity doesnt mean others do.
>>96851833The main problem is that there isn't enough shrines for there to be any choice involved, and the nature of the shrine mechanic is such that even if there were, the optimal path would be to play the goodstuffiest shrines possible because the synergy is entirely artificial. And as anon correctly says, the same is true of Slivers.
>>96851865Your bait is boring and childishGo hug your mother, she won't be around forever
>>96851472You post this in every thread but you don't even own the card.
>>96851885Yano acting this way doesn't change reality
>>96851856>May I recommend if you're deadset on 5 colors going for using that new silly space station and focusing on tokens or something?I unironically bought it alongside door to nothingness and legacy weapon for some WUBRG siliness
>>96851694>foilWhy? If you're a player, the foils curl and become obvious in your deck.If you're an investor, you'd know that now over 70% of secret lairs with foil/nonfoil options have higher secondary market value as nonfoiled.If you just plan on framing them, then you're a retard anyway for being a sony fanboy
>>96851916he's telling the truth.
My hobby? Posting fake greentexts on edhg for (You)s.
>when playing home console Playstation Sony was always my go to>therefore i must buy up everything WotC puts out with Sony charactersnot even Patapon, Parappa or Loco Roco, stupid fucking retards my wallet stays SHUT
>at LGS>pull out deck>guy says “sorry I don’t want to play against blue, can you pick a different deck?”Genuinely what the fuck do you say to this
ghost of tsushima ubslop is practically unredeemable beyond Jin right, i don't remember any of those cards bar path (that isn't even moderately difficult to get anymore like 2015)
>>96852036>"Can you pick a different deck"This is my grandfather's deck
>>96852036"no"
>guy shipped the foil mossborn hydra that he (probably accidentally) put up for 2€YESSSSS
>>96852055it's a chinese print. he made 1€ by selling this to you.
>>96852036Tell her you identify as black and she should stop assuming your color, then call her a racist.Unrelated, thinking about building a reanimate Zur, anything out of the box I should include other than "put creature in grave", "take creature from grave" enchantments?
>>96851926>If you're a player, the foils curl and become obvious in your deck.Dude,Foils always sell for more. Kratos will be worth lots of money in a few years so I can flip him.
>>96852036as of the most recent bracket release his request is as valid as not wanting to play against urza in bracket 2.
>shortform Magic influencers received their orders to shill the Avatar set today
>>96852067Idk all the other stuff on his account was normally priced so i doubt that
>>96852036>Genuinely what the fuck do you say to thisI ask people not to play blue all the time and they admit that they were wrong for pubstomping and switch decks
>something old>something new>something aggro>something bluedo you agree with Rachel Weeks, the hidden mastermind behind the current commander format, about the 4 decks to bring to a mtg event?
> Sick of TCG player cards just not arriving sometimes and the weird 4.99 shipping BS and optimizer sketchiness> Dont want to pay double price to Card Kingdom> LGS has dogshit selection
>>96852139>>something aggroYes but it has to have red>>something blueYes but it has to be Izzet
>>96852139No. What a pointless question.
>>96852140>not just building decks with cards you already own
>>96852036Sorry bud, all my decks have blue in them. Here's the one that's the least focused on control>plays a decent game with a bant counters or jeskai aggro deck
>>96852149the only pointless thing in this thread is your existence.
>>96852158Did that sound cooler in your head?
>>96852139i tend to bring more decks but i don't think this is the best stance, esp knowing that some of them won't be played at all during a single evening either due to pod power mismatch or just being in certain mood after a game or two
>>96852139>by sheer coincidence, every culture on Earth for 100,000 years of human history decided that the opinions of women are not worth listening to and they need to be kept from positions of influence>20th century is the first time this tradition is globally rejectedSays a lot really
>>96851893Yes I do.
I don't give a fuck about GayStation and Transvatar, when the FUCK are we getting Trek and Hobbit spoilers?
>>96852237>Yes I do.
>>96852237Izzet is BY FAR the most fun and dynamic color pairing and Im tired of pretending its not> B..but its just spell slinging!RB have PLENTY of solid creatures. You can play artifacts. You can spam goblins and then transform them all into fucking Purphoros. Other color pairing are fucking dogshit when compared to the dynamic power and complementary enlightenment that UR provides.
By the time I get paid the Dad of War secret lair will be sold out won't it?
>>96852291I'm confused? Are you just shitposting because you dislike the deck or saying the card isn't there?
>>96852079That's just blatantly untrue. It hasn't been true for years.
>>96852332Not always untrue. Just often untrue and even when the foils are more they are rarely more than 5 or so dollars more.
>>96852139Sometimes Rachel turns me on, then I remember she's 33, and then I start worrying if I've aged that poorly too
>>96852331>I'm confused? Are you just shitposting because you dislike the deck or saying the card isn't there?I legit thought you either didnt have the card or were just running it as a meme.
Extra combat steps are like extra turn for aggressive decks, but they are fair at any bracket because aggressive decks are bad
>>96852359No it really is the deck wincon
>>96852139If we accept pretty broad definitions of "aggro" and "blue" for the sake of fitting the rhyme then sure, sounds reasonable enough if someone really can't decide what to bring.
>>96852369is this like how lifegain is extra turns for white?
>>96852139>Rachel WeeksFrom the limited exposure I have had with her, she seems like she actually plays the game>the hidden mastermind behind the current commander formatIf that is the case she is really shitting the bed. man this format is in a terrible place.
Why can't I run Dark Ritual in my Mono White Deck? Magic rules are you can run any cards you want to. That's the intention of the game.
>>96852389Nah, that's just retarded
>>96852402I unironically expect monocolour decks to be able to just straight up run two-colour cards within 5 years if the hybrid mana change happens (it will).
>>96852402In every format but this one you can, you're just probably not going to be able to play it.
>>968524272 more weeks
>>96852402Every deck can run Exotic Orchard and City of Brass so I don't see why not
>>96852140>buy from Chinaman>my cards are piss cheap>get all the fancy art with foils>dude ships near immediately for free>always arrives about 1 week after shipping>every time it's just some random Chinese guy in a civic that puts the package in my mailbox>Chinaman gives me a few free cards for the hell of it>end up making $2000+ decks for like $100 at most>cards are literally identical in color, feel, thickness, and size to the real thing>only thing that differentiates them is that they don't pass the green orb testExplain to me why you would ever actually pay for cards (besides stuff that's under a dollar).
>>96852513>Explain to me why you would ever actually pay for cards (besides stuff that's under a dollar).this confuses me too but I am an old man now and the kids do things differently. The majority of my collection comes from drafting and trading. I've been proxying since my LGS stopping regularly firing FNM drafts in 2022.
>>96852389For everyone. And yes that is what having more life does.>>96852513My decks dont even cost 100 bucks so there's that.
if allowing hybrid in mono is SUCH a small deal then might aswell not do it since it doesn't better the format in any significant way ^.^ this way they can keep printing more hybrid cards without it being broken in commander
>>96850901but it's happening exactly for that reason
>>96852513> I am a pig and I like instant noodles.
>>96850859>Dude let this dying company continue to rape the game because kids don't buy toys anymore.Reminder the hybrid mana change is only happening because of Hasbro shareholders and this lets them push more product with stuff like Lorwyn.
>>96852537It's not a small change, it's just an unambigously positive change.>this way they can keep printing more hybrid cards without it being broken in commanderHybrid cards are near universally weaker then their monocolored versions and none of them are going to be broken in commander. Vivi getting storm count+1 isn't what is going to tip it over the edge.
>>96852550>here's how you can build any deck for pennies on the dollar>SLOP SLOP SLOPAre you suggesting people should instead pay $50 per card?
>>96852570>Gets blown out so hard in /mtg/ he comes back to /edhg/
>>96852572>Are you suggesting people should instead pay $50 per card?Yes. Either buy the card, or find something to run that isn't a value pile
>>96851803this but etali food chainit's a non-deterministic combo so it doesn't count as a 2 card win game
>>96852571>unambigously positive change.Minor spelling error = you lose. Sorry.
>>96852571>it's not a small changeSo it shouldn't happen, glad you agree
>>96852571You are applying mechanical reasoning to a thematic problem.
>>96852611No, big changes aren't inerently bad. Damage in the stack being remover is a big change but it's obviously good. The change to how state based actions worked (all the time rather then inbetween phases) is huge and it's obviously good. Retard.
Posting it again just for polschizo.
>>96852624>the colour black in a white deck makes no senseYes that's correct. A mono white deck should only be able to play white or colourless cards.
>>96852638Yes, believe what your masters tell you, goyim.
>>96852624>implying anyone plays vintage in 2025uh oh looks like the top image is missing some restrictions!
>>96852651Reminder text isnt rules text you disingenuous faggot.
>>96852036people who ask this are pubstompers who want to combo off uninterrupted
>>96852651Are you ok, retard?
>>96852663>Color black appears in white deck
>>96852660Sorry I forgot to mention real formats have a real banlist that correctly recognizes Emrakul as weaker than Sol Ring.
There's a lot of shit flinging back and forth when all that needs to be said is:Restriction breeds creativity.
>>96852673But the colour black hasn't appeared. The card isn't black and there is no black in the rules text.
>>96852237incredibly based
>>96852687trvth nvke
>>96852673>If I use this incredibly hyperspecific and bad faith argument, I am correct.You sure got me, anon.
>>96852091nice catch. I once got myself an og foil mortal combat for under 1€. and a playset of galadriel's dismissals for a tenner
>>96852687SHUT UP! LACK OF RESTRICTION BREEDS DECK DIVERSITY I KNOW BECAUSE MARO SAID SO!
>>96852709What really made me laugh was when he wrote something like "what will mono white do with extra combats? I'm excited to find out!"It will attack people, maro.
Restriction breeds creativity. Which is why you should not be able to generate mana outside your commander's identity.
>>96852687I just don't understand how your average person can't see that the change would 100% let Hasbro make incredibly pushed retarded shit hybrid to sell packs.We literally just saw it with Spiderman and the Soul Stone. The entire set was a hot steaming pile of shit EVwisenand people still cracked boosters because they printed a new AutoInclude black card.
>>96852725you're saying this to be snarky but your terms are acceptable
>>96852624>DesignersThis is kind of the thing for me. Gold cards are intended to be both colors. Hybrid cards are intended to be either color. That was always the intention of hybrid cards. Commander for some reason doesn't see them that way because for some reason commander precedent must necessarily be extremely draconian about a rule to the point of breaking the intent of hybrid cards.
>>96852735i could give a shit what the designers who raped this game to death intended dude. i intend for the designers to fall into a volcano. what now anon. does my "intent" matter?
>>96852735Please explain to me how this is acceptable in an Orzhov deck. I'd love to hear it.
>>96850745>What Playstation Secret lair are you getting today?None. None of the commanders look mechanically interesting, and I have no attachment to any of the IPs involved.
>>96852748You're right. It should be monoU.
>>96852703Lol nice, he must've put the mortal combat up for the non-foil price on accident
>>96852762Read the card you fucking retard are you stupid.
>>96852735>rules being consistent is "extremely draconian" That anon yesterday was on to something when he said the hybrid mana debate was a debate between men who uphold the law even when it doesn't benefit them and manchildren who think there should be no rules or bedtimes
>>96852750>I have no attachment to any of the IPs involved.it's actually so bleak how raped the PS lineup is now. Nu god of war? Fucking horizon zero dawn? A single bandicoot or bloodborne commander would print more money than all of the 2025H2 sets combined but Wizards is allergic to accepting money from anybody but the gayest people in the world
>>96852730Why do people think WotC even NEEDS a sinister sneaky trojan horse rule change to print a bunch of chase cards that everyone's gonna buy? Were you all asleep for the one ring? Did you just wake up from a years long coma where WotC hadn't been changing the de facto rules of commander by fiat by printing mechanics like partner and ikoria free spells for the last decade?
>>96852725Yeah that change was stupid and only there to support theft. The new cards always allow for the use of any color to cast opponents cards anyway.
>>96852783>why do people think wotc would make a retarded new rule to make certain cards more desirable when they have a long-established history of making up retarded new rules to make certain cards more desirable.Truly, a mystery.
My group plays with only consistent rules. So we won't be adapting this hybrid change (inconsistent change)>Damage still uses the stack>Tuck rule still exists>You can't generate mana outside your color ID>If someone controls the same legendary as the one you want to cast, you can't cast it>SBAs are only checked at end of phase>Basic lands are not exempt from the singleton rule>Time Walk and Black Lotus are still legal
>>96852783>Why do people think WotC even NEEDS a sinister sneaky trojan horse rule change to print a bunch of chase cards that everyone's gonna buy?Are you really asking why making a subset of cards more rules accessible in the games most popular format won't print more money because the new Busted Rakdos Hybrid Mythic "goes great in my Boros deck!"
>>96852778I mean, the only PS console I had was the PS2, and every single game I got for it was either a Square Enix game or fightan.
>>96852799When exactly have they done this? They don't need it, retard, that's what I'm saying. If they want to print chase cards they can print chase cards as much as they want. The chase cards they print aren't even hybrids, they're all-colors or colorless value engines. Hybrids are 97% chaff for limited. If they want to print that shit, they don't need to change the rules for hybrids. They can staple "you can play this card in any deck" into any card and it'll sell billions.
>>96852806>Busted Rakdos Hybrid MythicAs opposed to printing the new busted monored mythic who will go great in that deck as well?
>>96852783here's howimagine jeska's willnow it's hybrid R/Wnow they can sell it to more people
>>96852825You literally just gave two examples of them making new rules for commander in order to sell chase cardsI can only assume this is some limp attempt at trolling because otherwise your carer needs to restrict your internet time more
>no Dark Souls UB>no Dragon Ball UB>no Yugioh UB>no Nintendo UB>no Pokemon UB (this would print trillions)>Genshin UBWhy does WotC hate money?You can't honestly tell me that Söy Drek was a better choice than any of these.>th-they can't get the rightsBuuuullshit, i'm sure execs at Konami or Shueisha could easily be persuaded to make this happen as long as royalties or a reverse-crossover are involved.
>>96852840I, in-fact, do not need to imagine WotC printing an extremely pushed card to all decks.Because hybrid mana is not the thing stopping them from doing this.
>>96852766I was 100% sure he wouldn't send it but he didn't even try and message methere is the smallest bend on the upper left corner but other than that it's pretty good
>>96852839Yes anon, if a rakdos hybrid card can go in any deck that has red or black then it will be more desirable than the same card that can only be played in redI hope this helps
>>96852748I dont know anon but Orzhov decks in other formats are able to run this card without issue if they really wanted to. Is commander really going to take a principled stance about white not having access to extra combats? Combat and combat accessories are GOOD for the format.
>>96852845Genuinely why would Konami want to cross over with MtG? They're not doing the same brandwhoring with YGO so why would they start with a game that's less popular than theirs by a mile?
>>96852845>(this would print trillions)And Nintendo would stipulate 99.99999999% of funds go to them. Never get into bed with Nintendo. Also Pokemon is a pain thanks to it being joint owned>yugiohCard games aren't going to cross over
Imagine if the hybrid rule was changed, WotC could print extremely busted cards that can go in any deck!
>>96852839Because at the end of the day the Busted Mono Red Mythic has the limited scope of only doing Red Things.The Busted Rakdos Hybrid Mythic lets you put Rakdos/Black mechanics in any deck that has red.Suddenly you have something like creature reanimation in Izzet, Mono Red, etc.Come on, anon, use your fucking noodle.
>>96852875WTF why did nobody tell me there was a card stronger than Mox Jasper!
>not putting commander product in my decks>not putting UB in my decks>not using vehicles as a commander>adhering to color identity when it comes to hybrid cardssimple as.
>>96852845because they hate white beautiful women more
>>96852857>I'm going to completely ignore your point because it doesnt benefit my argument.Alright fuck it then, why don't we just completely fucking scrap the color identity rules and play glorified Canadian Highlander and everyone can just run 5C goodstuff piles since nothing matters to you bootlicking stooges.
>>96852858>with a game that's less popular than theirs by a mile?As of Q3 2025 Magic is literally the #1 selling TCG in the world while many stores don't even stock YGO anymore, what world do you live in?>>96852873I think even a Pokemon crossover where Wizards keeps very little of the revenue would absolutely be worth it, it would easily be their best selling product of all time by literal orders of magnitude and drive far more new interest to the game than FF ever could have.I also don't see why card games can't do crossovers, it would make a lot of sense from a brand perspective as cross-promotion and it would sell very well.
AIEEEE NOT THE MONOR REANIMATION!!!
>>96852911According to who? WotC? We already know the figures on MtG VS YGO VS Pkmn and it's Pkmn in the lead by a huge fucking mile, with YGO like in 3rd/4th, and a huge dropoff until you eventually reach MtG.
>>96852911>while many stores don't even stock YGO anymoreCan confirm my LGS got rid of most of its yugioh product and no longer puts any Yugioh singles in the showcase. It is all magic and Pokemans. With Pokemon having the more expensive shit by a mile.
>>96852875Yes, wotc has done this with colourless cards for years, well rememberedNow they want to do it with coloured cards too
>>96852875Mox Amber was a 10 dollar meme mythic on release that fucking sucked until years later.>>96852915>White symbols bottom left, card is clearly BorosHey rabbi, whatcha doing?
>>96852880>The Busted Rakdos Hybrid Mythic lets you put Rakdos/Black mechanics in any deck that has red.This is not what hybrids do. Hybrids do what BOTH COLORS can already do you fucking retard.
>>96852907>>I'm going to completely ignore your point because it doesnt benefit my argument.??? Why is an extra combat spell unacceptable in Orzhov. It sounds like you have an issue with the idea that a MTG card exists which a mono white deck could cast to get an extra combat.Im sorry that WotC broke the color pie and that offends you.
>>96852937Do I need to spend white mana to cast that card? No? Hmm...
>>96852939>>96852748Show me a mono white card that gives you extra combats you piece of shit.Come on, if you're so fucking smart, share with the rest of us.>inb4 Genji Glove
>the rules don't make sense in this 0.1% edge case scenario so therefore we should have no rules at allif you think like this you should actually kill yourself and get off my board
>>96852959Genji Glove.
>>96852925pokemon is just TC (trading cards)>because nobody plays that gametherefore mtg being the #1 TCG (trading card game) is technically correct
>>96852959Woe be me, the color pie break happened. Call me back when you've banned beast within, chaos warp, harmonize, mana tithe, pongify/rapid hybridization, withering boon, darkness, on and on and on.
>>96852947>903.4d The back face of a double-faced card (see rule 712) is included when determining a card’s color identity. This is an exception to rule 712.8a.>903.4. The Commander variant uses color identity to determine what cards can be in a deck with a certain commander. The color identity of a card is the color or colors of any mana symbols in that card’s mana cost or rules text, plus any colors defined by its characteristic-defining abilities (see rule 604.3) or color indicator (see rule 204).It's a Boros card. White has access to Reanimation. You lose. Fuck off.
>>96852976Nobody plays Magic either. If we go just by players, YGO mogs.
>>96852571How is in "unambiguously positive"?
>>96852985If I only have red mana, can I still cast it?If yes, there is no problem.
>>96852959>Show me a mono white card that gives you extra combats you piece of shit.lmao every color has it now, dipshit
>>96852982>HYBRID CARDS ONLY DO WHAT BOTH COLORS CAN DO>Actually no, lol. Here's literal proof you are wrong.>YEAH WHATEVER, WHO CARES, IT DOESNT MATTER, THIS ARGUMENT IS DUMB ANYWAY>whataboutismLmao get absolutely mogged you retard.
>>96852987i just asked grok, mtg blows ygo out of the water
>>96852947I hate these bitchy, faggoty, arguments that are intentionally obtuse. Imagining a guy typing that out, arguing like a woman by feigning outrage that artifacts can be cast with generic mana, as if anyone is arguing about mana being used generically and it's not the symbols/colors themselves. I don't even give a shit, but being around women all day parroting retarded shit this way aggravates me.
>>96852990Because:>the design goals of hybrid cards are for them to be played in either color freely; so this is aligning commander with the game as it is meant to be played>this is giving monocolor decks, which are under a lot of pressure and aren't very good, extra deckbuilding space>it barely brings any issues; color identity is not a system that new players understand intuitively or even know exists most of the time
>>96853018YGO attendance is up both online and at events. MtG is consistently trending down everywhere but Nebraska.
>>96852939see >>96852959There are already hybrid cards which do what monocolours in their combination cannot doAnd this only gets more egregious for 3+ colour hybrid cards.
>>96853004>>96852970>>96852982>8 mana artifact tax, requires creature, and attack trigger, untaps one creaturevs>5 mana sorcery, can be cast from graveyard, untaps allIt's very clearly red/white in it's color borders. Same reason Tamiyo is green/blue.
>>96850973the guy who thought Biorhythm was a MUST BAN card for 20 years straight was fucking retarded too
>>96853035that's not what grok says
>>96853035>attendanceThis is like "OUR NEW VIDEO GAME HAS 10 MILLION PLAYERS" rather than "sold"
>>96853033that's not what unambigiously means because in so doing you run up against the color identity rules. Which, imo, are more important than design intentions as design intentions get broken all the time.
>>96853056Yeah sorry we should only count phantom players in Nebraska that buy product but never play.
>>96853059No, the design intentions of this game are by far less important then changing the workings of color identity, which is already disconnected from color in several massive ways.
>>96853048Not an argument. MonoW gets extra combats with it.
>>96853065Yes. That's what matters in business. SALES.
>>96853068yes that is what I said.
>>96853082Then Magic still loses to both Pokemon (#1) and YGO (#3)Magic is a distant #8.
>>96853053I checked with grokthe resultstheir inyou aren't going to like them
>>96853048>moving_goalposts.jpeg
>>96853035>Online?
>>96853075>limited, overpriced as per artifact balancingvs>It's not 'red' despite it's border, color pips, mechanical theme and art theme
>>96853118MonoW extra combats. Not an argument.
>>96853106I'm not the same guy, I just read your arguments, saw a goblin spell thats half red giving extra combats and going 'teehee see!!! It totally goes in any non-red deck :)'
>>96853107Now let's see Arena's numbers.
>>96853118Waves of Aggression is a color pie break but there's tons of these among all other types of cards too. The majority of hybrid cards are things both colors can do, and they're also universally weaker then their monocolor counterparts.
>>96853118You know you can just take the L, anon. You were wrong about what effects hybrid cards can have, and that's okay. The world won't end because you were wrong on the internet, and have been arguing furiously for hours on a premise that was flawed from the start. It's really okay.
>>96853135Irrelevant since the argument was "attendance up" when it would be down compared to a year ago here.
>>96851333With Landfall being an intentionally pushed archetype by WOTC I have basically zero sympathy for people who get mad about land destruction. If everyone was playing with basic forests and plains and the spiciest shit you saw was snow lands and shit I could understand, but when there's 100 cars decks running zero to like five basic lands in the entire deck there's absolutely no reason to not just run as many blood moon effects and land destruction as possible to cuck greedy faggots wanting to play solitaire while hiding behind "dude you can't touch my lands that's not cool!"
>>96853118>he's still goingBait or mental retardation? Call it.
>>96853139UH-OH. MAGIC LOSING AGAIN.
>>96853137>2nd reply>hoursI don't give a shit about hybrids, it's a clearly red/white card. If someone plays this offcolor, I'll have the same distaste I have when some dude drops a stupid ass spiderman or spongebob card.
>>96853160classic poopdickschizo post
> Having a melty because a card exists which gives mono W an extra combat.Reminder: in literally ever other format, the card is intended to be playable in any white deck. If it offends you in commander than you are in fact taking a stance against the design of a particular card. You are essentially wishing that it were banned or errata'd. You are using the hybrid debate as a shield from the fact that you dislike the design of one particular card which happens to be a hybrid card. To you, enforcing red on this card essentially lifting your leg and peeing on the designers and the card because it hurt your fee-fees.
>>96853160>I'll have the same distaste I have when some dude drops a stupid ass spiderman or spongebob card.I'm still casting Avacyn on turn 4.
I'm for the change solely because it allows me to build a deck with 4 commanders
>>96851627He either wants to come into play after a worldfire to instantly win or etb, resolve his triggers, and return to the command zone over and over with infinite RBORCreate an oppressive board stage where everyone is forced to top deck and pound face with your 6/6 giant who wont stay dead and bolts your opponents for not discarding
>>96853141I’m with you in principle but wizards has clearly not fleshed out land destruction as a real answer to green land ramp. “Blood moon effects” don’t exist when there’s literally just one card that does that, blood moon itself. If it was intended from a design standpoint there would be a whole archetype of those kinds of cards>inb4 magus of the moonShut up
>>96853141The decktype most capable of recovering from MLD is a lands deck. So it isn't even an amazing counter to them.
>>96853008Nigger, I don't wanna hear about specific hybrid cards that bend the pie too much because there are plenty of non hybrid cards that do this too - but we don't fucking throw the entire pie out the window because of singular instances of cards that shouldn't have been a specific color. Neither should we throw away this because of singular hybrid cards that shouldn't have been hybrid
>>96853178>“Blood moon effects” don’t exist when there’s literally just one card that does that, blood moon itself."nonbasic lands are mountains" only has two cards, but "nonbasic hate" as a category has a good amount of support
>>96853185I've had very good results of mld vs landfallThey don't tend to play THAT many recursion effects and their pieces don't do much without their engines. Keep in mind I also play a fair bit of graveyard hate and other hate pieces so that might be part of it.
>>96853185ideally you want graveyard hate as well, which is a much much easier condition to get but of course then anyone playing reanimate will get mad at you for exiling graveyards even if it cucks the landfall guy's recursion
>>96853185not anymore yeah because they have been printing the "you can play lands from your grave" text on every other card recentlycheap land exiling instants can't come fast enough
>>96853211nta but I have grave hate in all my decks since most decks have accidental graveyard value in themthat being said. having 2 cards against one (destroy land and exile grave) is not feasible in a 4 player game
>>96853045If you think they will use the hybrid mana rules change to print busted hybrid mana cards that give colors access to effects outside their pie, you're just retarded.A hybrid card that's not in pie for one of its colours is just a straight up colour pie break, wotc designers have said this over and over again. If you believe they'll just deliberately print color pie breaks to sell packs, then why the fuck would they need hybrid mana to do it? They own the damn game, they could print mana tithe 2 or beast within 2 any time they liked if they really didn't give a shit about the colour pie, why soft-launch this elaborate trojan horse format rules change?
>>96853170Stupid as hell. 1. Spiderman doesnt belong in magic. 2. How the fuck is this spiderman in anyway? 3. I don't give a shit what you cast or how powerful your deck is. If the card is half red, it has red mana symbols, it's red. wotc clearly have already printed the cards and are just priming people for the change. this discourse is irrelevant.Can I just have one thing in my life that isn't just one disappointing change after another? Even mountain biking is shitty now.
fuck hybrid manaLegalize UNcards
What does “damage on the stack” means and when did this “changed”?Youre telling me that onde upon a time the Classic stack explanation of “you attack me with your 3/3, i declare blocker with my 2/2, in response you Giant Growth, in response i Bolt your monster and he dies” wasn’t a thing?? Genuine, irony-free question.
>>968532571. Neither does Greece2. Cause it is.
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>>96853269What does this meme have anything to do with what I said?
>>96853266Damage on the stack was something that happened in combat. In most cases, it functioned similar to current rules, with the big exception of sacrifice effects. Damage happened, went on the stack, and then it could be prevented during the damage prevention step (this is where regenerate happened, for one). It was possible to assign combat damage AND sacrifice a creature (with the damage on the stack), for one, meaning that the damage went through and the creature was sacrificed still.
>>96853257>Polschizo unironically has autism so bad he can't handle not just his cards having the wrong color, but ANYONE's cards having the wrong color.
>>96853266back in the day sakura tribe elder could block and kill an X/1 + search a land
>>96853257>Even mountain biking is shitty now.How did they ruin mountain biking?
>>96853297Mountain DLC
>>96853297He saw a black person sharing his hobby.
>>96853266Basically damage went on the stack and could be answered, meaning a creature could hit and THEN be sacrificed or saved. Mogg Fanatic could hit for 1, sacrifice itself, deal 1 more and kill a 2/2 Grizzly Bears, for one.You could swing Szadek as a 20/20, put his combat damage on the stack and then bounce/remove him to have the damage be dealt normally because his replacement effect was no longer present when the damage on the stack resolved.
>>96853305that'll do it
>>96853176>return to the command zone over and over with infinite RBoh god of course>everyone is forced to top deck and pound face with your 6/6 giant who wont stay deadperfect for a fun night with friends who always focus me for no reason
>>96853287>can't tell posters apart with incoherent babble>calls other schizo k>>96853297>go to place to ride bike in nature>littering foreigners leaving trash and literal shit everywhere>homeless colonizing parks and leaving drug needles and literal shit everywhere>oh did some cunts wild pitbull decide to attack you? teehee he's such a good doggy!Oh you don't like hitting some random fucking plastic chair half embedded in the ground and then having a meth needle stab you? racist. no recourse and nothing you can do, so you just have to go somewhere else. Then that also gets covered in shit.
>>96853333>It was polschizoYep, there it is.
>>96853284>>96853292Oh, got it now. Well, glad this doesnt exists anymore, i already of think that the “sacrificing a creature before combat damage makes the combat fizzles” stupid enough, specially in a flavor/thematic way:>i declare that my mighty 10/10 non-trampling creature is attacking thy, adversary mage!!>”huh, very well, my 1/1 shit ass zombie is stoping him then!!”>but when the almighty monster went for the strike, the zombie simple perished on the spot, making the 10/10 monster very confused!!! So the owner of the zombie takes zero damage, since the humongous 10/10 is thinking “dammit! I was unable to strike the other powerful Planeswalker cause his zombie simply disapeared from thin air!!”It’s just stupid if you really think about it. Saccing shoulndt cancel non-trampling damage.
>>96853366It's more like the creature attacked another and it teleported away or died before the attack hit, so the attack hit thin air and was wasted.Meanwhile a trampling creature just keeps on going because it's charging directly at the enemy, who gives a shit.
Every format restricts its cardpool. Most do it with bans and set release restrictions some do it with rarity restrictions, EDH does it with a concept called color identity. An attack on that is an attack on the format, it makes the format less the community format it was and more thoroughly cements it as wotcs game. Very gay to argue for this especially when you can just make friends and have a pod that allows hybrid. I suspect a large part of the support for wotc comes from zoomies who are unable to build a community so wotc must shape it to their liking.
>>96853390But “creature attacked another” is non-existing in Magic, this aint Hearthstone. In theory, all creatures are looking to hit the opposite player/planeswalker, if the assigned blocker is no more, then the attacking creature should automatically strikes the owner of said creature.
>>96853168>rare cards exist>ermmm pauper players rare cards are intended to be played please fix your formats rules
>>96853408No matter how many times you say this, I crack up at you defending your gend- I mean color identity like something sacred.
>>96853421
>>96853366It works the same way chump blockers do, when a blocker goes out he's meeting the enemy attacker in the middle of the field, if you don't have trample even if the zombie explodes your attacker has already come to a stop and can't keep charging in time to hit the enemy.This is basically just arguing "all my Timmy shit should get trample for free"; a 10/10 non trample can also be fully blocked by a 1/1 squirrel. Once you've been assigned as attackers/blockers you're no longer swinging for the face, "Trample" is the big green stompy creature literally charging and trampling over and through the little creature without even stopping to attack so it never loses momentum to also hit face.pretend saccing is your creature getting distracted by a suicide bomber if that helps your immersion
https://moxfield.com/decks/ZsmwWi_5REOaCUL6FlvvkA
>>96853410No, when I assign a blocker, the creature is now blocked, it's distracted from attacking me. Essentially:>enemy soldier is charging at me>my own soldier clashes swords with them>before they can strike at each other, my soldier suddenly drops dead>enemy soldier has no time to attack me anymore, because the skirmish is already over Meanwhile, with trample:>ememy elephant is charging at me>send soldier to block its advance>soldier sets himself in front of the elephant and attracts its attention, but suddenly dies of plague>elephant keeps going and rams me
>>96853430>pretend saccing is your creature getting distracted by a suicide bomber if that helps your immersionI understand all about you said about Trample. I don’t think the rules are bad or unbalanced in that sense. It’s just that autistic me always tought of the “sacc on block fizzles combat” thing dumb. Turbonitipicking, don’t mind me much.
>>96853425Yes sport i like the rules of the game. Do you think by trying to erroneously equate this to trannyism you will bother me?
>>96853441meant to post this as well..3rd time my transformers deck was called overpowered. I think this is a 3 at most? I'm trying to be very on theme even with invoke justice, the worst card is annie joins up and leyline thematically >moonlit meditation omega and stun each land my opponents control for 10 turns2nd game>optimus prime won't die>golbez keeps bringing things back>mechtitan dodges a farewell and wins me the game
>>96853455Your fake format that affirms your "color identity" is not Magic.
>accidently buy a "the list" printing thinking it was an original AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
>>96853471ah fuck, it's nonland permanents
>>96853455>you're gay for attacking color identity>you're a chud for attacking gender identity>you're the leftie not meholy retard lmao
>>96853475Correct! So why are you trying to force magics rules on it? A tad self defeating there on your part im afraid. Curious what place you even have in this discussion
>It actually was just one guy the whole timeAhahaha holy shit
>>96853475>fake format wew
>>96853504Many such cases!
>>96853496You use the Magic cards you get the Magic rules.
>>96853496because only color is real and color identity is fanfiction
>>96853516damn son, you really are going to die on that extremely retarded hill aren't you?Well, at least you are dead.
>>96853521So a card that is red and white can't go in a mono white deck? Good to know!
>>96853516Why? The community made a format with the magic cards. What kind of weird corpodystopia were you brainwashed into lmao>>96853521Correct color identity is a concept made up for the fan made format EDH. It is not a real thing wotc made up which is why they want to change it.
>>96853533a hybrid card can indeed go into a mono color deck because wotc owns the game and what they say goes because they have word of god
>>96853536The guys who made Commander handed it over to WotC, so now WotC gets to make shit up.
>>96853549Ah so it really is a zoomer who as usual knows nothing about the things he engages with. No, Sheldon (or the RC) did not make EDH. Nor did he, or anyone involved with its creation for that matter, hand it over to WOTC. You dont have to have opinions on things ^.^
>>96853266>attack with mogg fanatic>opponent blocks with 1/1>damage is now on the stack>sac mogg to deal 1 damage to face>damage happens and the 1/1 blocker still dies
>>96853571wotc owns EDH now chud, get used to itor buy hasbro lol
Finally thought of a new magic color and a card that fits the forward thinking statements we've been seeing. >BrownThe melting pot color, brown is all colors mixed together. Brown is distinct from colorless because not seeing color is racist. Brown is all colors and also no colors, and mono colored. Jeremy, Will of Boronko>Brown Brown Brown You may change the color of any card, permanent or spell to Brown at anytime. (This doesn't end at the end of the turn)First Strike, Trample, Haste, Annihilator 6Whenever an opponent or anon makes fun of you, draw a card. If you do, that player becomes brown(50% chance indian, 40% black, 10% chance mexican). (This effect doesn't end at the end of the game)As long as an opponent has a brown permanent, or has played a brown spell, you may cast spells from a booster pack without paying their mana cost. (All cards come from booster packs)
> actually my color identify as 5-color and my pronouns are WU / BRGkeeeek
is it possible to make a decent tribal deck that utilizes -no- members of the actual tribe?
>>96853496nobody here is forcing anything.it was a rules change to count colored pips in abilities as part of color identity instead of just CMC. this lets people play a monocolored commander while also having access to every single color in the entire game; you can play Kenrith and not actually add a single Black mana source in the game or Swamp but still have him give you black color identity and run cards like Dismember and pay using phyrexian mana or treasure tokens despite having zero swamps or black mana sources in your whole deck. In my opinion the existence of multicolored commanders who are actually monocolored casting cost is far more problematic and has done orders of magnitude more damage to the "Spirit of the Format".If "restrictions breed creativity!" was meant to be the case, cards like Sisay and Kenrith wouldn't be among the most commonly played commanders in the format and if they were playable would count as mono-white and require you use shit like treasure tokens to pay for their abilities since you'd only be allowed to run mono white cards
>>96853533>So a card that is red and white can't go in a mono white deck? Good to know!yeah, you've never been allowed to play Aurelia in mono-white because she's a red and white gold card that requires separate sources of different colored mana.on the other hand you've always been able to play boros reckoner in mono-white because it's not a red and white gold card and can be played with purely white mana
>>96853673it's hilarious how lgbt coded color identity really is and how it folds like a wet rag when put under scrutinythanks sheldon!
>>96853707yeah make a regular deck but then put coat of arms and Arcane Adaptation
>>96853712>nobody here is forcing anythingStopped reading right here. A proposed rules change is indeed forcing.
To me, the actual purpose colour identity serves is to tie in the format's focus on your commander to one of magic's fundamental building blocks, the colour pie. 60-card formats are about you, the planeswalker, but EDH is about your commander. if your commander is green, you get to do 'green things', because those are the things in their wheelhouse.Creatures like ghalta or arasta or azusa are creatures of green mana, and so their decks can channel spells of green mana, do the things that green mana does. and (with the exception of a few colour pie breaks--which, in the format that already lets these decks play sylvan library and beast within, cannot possibly be a deal breaker), hybrid green cards 'do green things', they are 'cards that do the things green mana does', and so if colour identity is to tie the color pie to the commander, which I think it should, it should clearly allow for hybrid cards to be played as either of their colours.
>>96853752You're forcing your color identity on the public LGS.
>>96853608>>96853673>get no (you) and seethe>>96853728Then reply to yourself, embarrassing display. You seem to think anything arbitrary is "tranny/LGBT coded" but everything is arbitrary... we as thinking creatures choose where to draw lines. Answer, why does pauper exist anon?
>>96853760No im not anyone who got into magic after what 2014 accepted that was the rule of the game they learned. Heck realistically before that because rhe rule prior to the official CI one was not really different. Youre very bad at this.
>>96853770Pauper lets you play rares and uncommons that also qualify as commons, so clearly EDH should let you play "monoblack cards" that also qualify as "monowhite cards".
>>96853770>why does pauper exist anon?pauper exists because there are too many bulk commons not being used and they need a format, duh>everyone that's against me is just one guyholy projection
>player who uses +1+1 counters to mark static buffs
>>96853793>pauper exists because there are too many bulk commons not being used and they need a format, duhWell bulk commons aren't seeing Pauper play, then, because it's all shit like balaustrade spy, tolarian terror, brainstorm and the like.
>>96853776>we must always cater to the newfags!!no, they've been catered far too much already
>>96853805tbf that's because wotc has acknowledged pauper as a format, just like edhyou should see the shit people played back in the early 2000s
>>96853752>A proposed rules change is indeed forcing.do you think anyone in this thread is a wotc employee? nobody here is forcing anything, and the developers of a card game making rules changes isn't what I'd describe as "forcing"; unless you think Dockside Extortionist being banned was WOTC ""forcing" the card out of play. When the old EDH rules committee banned Biorhythm that wasn't"forcing" either, they just did it because of one guy's personal dislike of the card. Anyways, even if you think WOTC is forcing the change by proposing a rules amendment, nobody here is forcing shit besides a justified hatred of universe's beyond
>>96853805Cards like novice investigator and thraben inspector are like the definition of bulk commons and actually see play in white weenie decks. The new draft chaff common Spiderman also sees play since a vanilla 1 mana 3/3 is actually good in pauper and his webslinging lets you trigger more etbshttps://www.mtggoldfish.com/archetype/pauper-mono-white-aggro-6b67ea64-5bde-42ea-8d1a-93578d3e3f3c#paperthis deck went 8-1-2 at a tournament recently I hate standard but pauper is actually a pretty fun format right now with lots of variety. Like this deck is actually running Steadfast Unicorn to help finish out games that's dope as shit
Havent played a game in a month
>>96850745>What Playstation Secret lair are you getting today?None.
>>96853832>do you think anyone in this thread is a wotc employee?No. I KNOW they are here. Do you really think they post on X, Tumblr, Reddit, etc, but not here? People are absolutely paid to come here and argue things such as the hybrid mana change. If you don't see this, then you are blind or more likely a paid operative
>>96853997>everyone that disagrees with me is a paid shillmindbroken
Blizzard secret lair fans....is it over for us?James Raynor2(R/W)(R/W)Legendary Creature - Human Rebel AllyRaiders Roll - The first time each turn one or more creatures you control attack, untap all creatures you control. There is an additional combat after this phase. Target attacking creature you control gains first strike and vigilance until the end of the turn.
>>96853997x and reddit are significantly more popular than here.
>making wizard deck>operation bring it to 99: begin
>>96854099using that awful printing of the FF version of the card? Why?
>>96854099what is that dark ritual
>>96854142Because I have it>>96854165some rakdos tournament winning deck I bought at books a million when I was little, clowned on my friends with blazing specter and rishadan
>>96853997>thread is a wotc employee?>No. I KNOW they are here. Do you really think they post on X, Tumblr, Reddit, etc, but not hereyeah actually considering how fucking dead traffic to /tg/ is I have zero problem believing wotc ignores this place, if anything they would actively want to spite the people posting here to own the grognards.If you want credible and proven leaks for shit because the people at the company are actual chan-dwellers you have to look at Warhammer 40k, and even then the leaks are sparse and 95% of claims are fake. But the average employee at games workshop in fucking Nottingham is not the average employee at WOTC in Seattle
>>96854251Shut the fuck up Nosewater, we know useful idiots if not employees are here spreading "the good word". Take your UB and Hybrid Mana and fuck right off.
lol he's SO MAD
>>96854266This general has less frequent posters than the bluesky MTG community
>>96854294There's more Nitrogen than Oxygen in the air you breathe.
>>96854304Do you think they go to rando discords as well? Is WOTC in my LGS Discord?
>>96854307Yes 4chan is imbetween major social networks and those places you harass mtf dudes for dates, you cracked the code!
What the fuck is with the 3-4 schizos that shit up this general every time?>>96854099Random encounter and signet can be cut easiest
>>96854319>will someone please think of the MTFs!!the leftoid finally revealed itself
>secret lair not sold off as soon as it got outplease tell me it would be the same for the dadan deck
>>96854381the fuck even is that dadan shit?
>>96854384It's a format with one fixed decklist, where both players draw from the same deck, and the only wincon in the deck is hitting the other guy with dandan. It's basically bluemaxxing.
>>96854423*doesn't play an island*
>>96854423dandan is serious business
>>96854423Dandan should be a black card. The art is primarily black.
>>96854485It's actually just very dark blue
>>96854423Well that's stupid
>>96854384It's ____________________fun________________It's basically an entirely different game, but there's a lot of back and forth and a surprising amount of strategy, especially if the deck contains cards that put cards from grave back into the deck so you have to keep track of what cards your opponent is likely to have, almost like card counting.
>>96854523It's fun, until you realize you can play no Islands to render yourself immune to Dandan, and then it's fun again once your opponent realizes that's retarded and they can just drown you in mana advantage and you both play like normal again.
>>96854426A curious game. The only winning move is not to play.
>>96854426See >>96854532
>>96854426>>96854532The original decklist has a couple copies of picrel, and they can be recurred. So, even if you no-island to block dandan you can still lose.
>>96854367>calling them dudes makes me a leftoidOof, making the "rightoid" side look bad will all these Ls.
Reading this thread I've been convinced on what side of the hybrid debate I fall onThank you for your service
>>96854773You're on my side, obviously.
>>96854773Don't thank me, thank Tumblr blog blogatog that swayed me to the right side of the debate.
I, too, have come to the correct decision about hybrid mana. It's very obvious when you think about it.
It’s so reassuring to see that if you go anywhere on Magic social media the response to the hybrid change is overwhelmingly negative. It’s only these threads where we’re cursed with some retard who thinks it’s the funniest thing in the world to argue in favor of that change 24/7
Ive decided Im gonna do Taii Wakeen for my next commander
>>96854893Consider the following:>if hybrid doesnt change, i shrug my shoulders and you dont cry>if hybrid does change, i shrug my shoulders and you and a lot of people will cry. A lot.So i really dont care about hybrid but if hybrid changing will give me a bucketload of schadenfreude then holy fuck let's gooooooooo
>>96854893"I 100% agree with trinket mage on this issue!" is never something you want to admit bro
>>96854922Buy an ad
>>96854927nigger you're the one sucking off cringetubers and reddit and whatever by smugly announcing how you agree with them..
>>96854927>>96854941
>>96854954This isn't any different than quoting the latter anon and typing >thisYou fucking mongoloid.
>>96854960You seem mad. Good.
>>96854893Weird. Everywhere I see online is people making fun of you.
>Panoptic mirror>has show and tell>opponent destroys itwhy
what's the worst thing that could happen with the hybrid change? some forgotten mechanics getting access to some new tools? what amn't I seeing here?
anyone have any suggestions for fun gimmick mono-white decks? I like shenanigans, and I've been trying to get at least one of each for monocolor that I want to playCurrently I have>Ashling the pilgrim - monored pipe bomb>Yedora, Grave Gardener - monogreen morph creatures>Ghoulcaller Gisa - monoblack zombie spamand then two and three colour decks of a variety of colours.
>>96855150It's just wizards ruining shit, edh is an alien/thematic/non competitive format, so they are going to keep making changes like this. Commander damage is going to be codified as a trackable rule soon.
>>96855177>Commander damageCommander damage is now a counter and may be proliferated
>>96855150List of arguments:>I can see the broccoli on my fire card and it triggers me>Hybrid mana rule is the only thing stopping WotC from printing overpowered generic staples>There's already a broken hybrid mana card nobody actually knows about>New players will be too stupid to figure out this rule>The RC knows better than the actual card designers when it comes to the color pie>Actually everyone agrees with me
>>96852840imagine jeska's willnow it's all generic mananow they can sell it to more people
>>96855193mother of god
>>96855150Sanctity of the color pool is violated
>>96855214The color is on the card
AIEEEE YOU CAN'T JUST TUTOR ENCHANTMENT REMOVAL IN YOUR MONO RED DECK!!! MY COLOR PIE!!!!
>>96855217>bitchout class argument
>>96855193now THIS is podracing
>>96855150>what's the worst thing that could happen with the hybrid changemono-color decks get better and people playing 4-color partner or WUBRG mixed slop might have to deal with opponents having access to cards they already could use themselves but chose not to. mono-white finally has an extra combat phase so voltron can tutor for waves of aggression and get x4 damage with double-strike into extra combat.
>>96855193>Commander damage is now a counter and may be proliferatedokay you say this as a joke but that's unironically based and I'm all for it. anything to encourage less stalled board states. infect isn't even good but it instantly gets treated like archenemy and 3v1d because people hate the idea of not turtling until they combo infinite for a win
>>96855330>mono-white finally has an extra combat phaseIt already had that since Finaly Fantasy.
>>96855200>>Hybrid mana rule is the only thing stopping WotC from printing overpowered generic stapleswe kinda passed that point years ago though. hell, this is the format where people claim Sol Ring is "ICONIC" and "PART OF THE SPIRIT OF THE FORMAT" and its sole job is being an overpowered generic staple in every deck.
>theres hope for a metal gear crossover>expropriate reprint>revengeance cards
>>96855348true but artifact/permanent hate is more common than counterspells, although white has easy ways to cheat out artifacts and equip them at instant speed. Ideally you run both in a proper voltron list
>>96855355>theres hope for a metal gear crossoverIs there? Was there a hint of it or something? I thought what with us getting Turtles soon that we'd sooner see 80's cartoons like He-Man or ThunderCats before long.
>mono white voltron will now have waves of aggression? think of the simic players wotc!!
>>96855217EDH unironically needs a sideboard and it's retarded there hasn't been one yet. Even the "SPIRIT OF THE FORMAT" argument is bullshit, since the "spirit of the format" for casual/kitchen table magic has been that "outside the game" means you can literally just reach into your collection and play any shit you had. "outside the game" being limited to sideboards is a competitive format for 60 cards to prevent people asspulling the perfect silver bullet answer out of thousands of options and hauling your whole collection everywhere.but EDH is not a competitive format, doesn't have Bo3s, and doesn't have a sideboard. "Outside the game" means "outside the game", it's just the rules committee decided "Uh, actually, "outside the game" in EDH means from your Sideboard still! except this format doesn't have a sideboard lmao. So it does fucking nothing." which is just dumb.
>>96855345>hit each person for 1 with skulk/fear/unblockable/whatever>immediately infinite combo proliferate to beat everyone at onceIt's funny because this is literally just infect but counting to 21 instead of 10
>>96855382This rhetoric is spouted by retards that think more cards in your library is an upside when this isn't true in literally any game ever.>B-But they're tutors!Bad tutors for cards not in your 99>But you can get a combo with them!You would always rather have the combo in your 99 because drawing it means you don't have to spend the resources tutoring it>But they can mill it if it's in my 99!They can also mill your wish>But everyone at my LGS is always mulliganing for Turn 1 Extract to take combos away from someone's deck and if we allow wishes then he can just run 4 wishes to protect his combo that he never runs redundancy for and can't figure out what Leyline of Sanctity does!Then I'm sorry you live in a strawman universe>But then everyone will be forced to run a wishboard!You mean like you run a sticker deck, an attraction deck, and a companion?
>>96855410>>But then everyone will be forced to run a wishboard!I can't take anyone saying this seriously when you're ACTUALLY forced to pay attention to and track shit like the four different possible Dungeons someone can venture into, who has The Initiative if one of those Dungeons is the Undercity, THE RING TEMPTS YOU (TM) as well as who's the Monarch and who's most recently attacked them. meanwhile a sideboard is a fucking sideboard. it sits there and does nothing until something pulls from outside the game. For extra bullshit they already technically have a sideboard in edh, it's just exclusively for fucking Companions which are way more controversial than Wishing which is 30 years old
>>96855330>mono-color decks get betterthat's legit, mono red token decks now have access to buffing all tokens with double strike
You can tell who is a commanderpig vs losers that want to make this a highly technical and defined format to be competitive. Stop trying to optimize mario party or super smash
>>96855455which one are you, the pig or the loser?
>>96855465I don't play commander
>>96848536WAves of Aggression is the poster child for people being understandably upset with this change
Among the hordes of ugly trannoid characters, I want to rise above and create a gooning EDH deck. Which color combination will allow me to put together a viable deck of hot babes, curvy, thin, loli, mature, you name it. Which commander will be able to, not give me a boner, but at least make me play with a half chub.
>>96853048>requires creature,What are you planning on doing in your extra combat phase without any creatures>>96853908>2/3rds of the price is the sideboardlmao
>>96853793Not everyone anon just those particular posts.>pauper exists because...Retard actually answered lol
>>96853832What a retarded post please never reply to me again I will from here on out sign all my posts with-Floopl
>>96855200Zoomers are so embarrassing. Corpohellscape is coming thanks to them
>>96855200>not a single mention of color identityAt least shitpost correctly
>>96855615>noooo the broccoli is in the mono fire deck!!!
>>96855618Still no mentionYou lose again
>>96855471>WAves of Aggression is the poster child for people being understandably upset with this changeit's the poster child for people being retardedhttps://gatherer.wizards.com/search?rules=additional&rules=combat&rules=phase
>>96855623I'm not the who's going to cry in 2026 though
>>96855625>I don't care about the gameis this supposed to be an own?
>>96855636>is this supposed to be an ownYes because i dont cry when things dont go my way in a children's card game
>>96855647>i dont care about my hobbiesYeah, I feel so owned by how aloof and disinterested you are in the activities you spend your time on.
>>96855650>I feel so ownedGood.
>>96855382Just get rid of lands. This is the change everyone really wants even if they refuse to admit it. There's never been a game in the history of magic that was made funner or more exciting by a player having too much/too little lands. Even hyper degenerate cEDH decks have to devote a third of their deck to faggy little lands. You won't need sideboards or wish faggotry if you had an additional 30-45 extra cards to include.
>>96855662Damn we've got the whole tardsquad tonightget back in your cave, freak!
thanks gavin for completely raping EDH discourse for the next 4 months with this retarded and random hybrid mana change that literally not a single soul on this planet earth was asking for
The color is on the card
sharks are blue
>>96855650if cards from 2006 being playable in monocolor decks that they always had the mana to cast is what makes you upset about the """""hobby being ruined""""", and you haven't quit already because of universe's beyond, the lore being absolutely gutted, the MCU-ification of planeswalkers, or the relentless push of fat and ugly characters in card art I have basically zero sympathy for you.playing Ravnica: City of Guilds cards from 2006 in mono-red is not why magic is going downhill.
>>96855662>Just get rid of lands.rofl sorry retard-kun, you know what all of the other (less successful) MtG knockoffs do first thing? Get rid of lands.Know WHY they aren't successful? They get rid of lands.
>>96855662>made funner
>>96855660>>96855682This habit of replying to the same post multiple times is really embarrassing, anonYou know everyone can tell, right?
>>96855684>you know what all of the other (less successful) MtG knockoffs do first thing?yugioh doesnt have lands idk how the pokemon tcg works but I think it has energy or some shit. I hate shit like Mana in hearthstone where its just a linear increase each turn but there's card games without lands that are still successful
>>96855682at least do us the courtesy of trying to engage in a discussion with us instead of just calling us stupid for caring about this gamealso your example card can't be played in a mono deck because of the multiple pips in the activated abilities
>>96855699energy is just lands basically
>>96855682>>things are already bad so why do you care if they get worse!!!
>>96855699Yugioh is one of the worst games in existence.
I just dont get who actually wants the changes. These quirk chungus content creators will say "Reading the card explains the card!" then support a change that is directly counterintuitive to reading the card.Then they rationalize it by saying Wizards will be able to make more interesting cards if the change happens, but they're the same ones who piss and shit themselves over WOTC asserting any control on commander or pushing powercrept cards to sell sets.
>>96855694>two people dont agree with me?>it must be the same personLol
>>96855700Anon, he's trolling (or severely mentally ill, haven't ruled that out yet)has been for nearly two days straight at this pointIt is LITERALLY just one determined schizo retard who presumably is gay for gavin or something
>>96855700>instead of just calling us stupid for caring about this gameI'm calling you stupid for performatively caring so much about a non-issue, while you have greedily swallowed pure slop for the last decade prior to this.playing 20 year old hybrid cards in monocolor decks is not a problem compared to THREE ENTIRE SETS visiting REAL LIFE NEW YORK CITY between Spider-Man, Teenage Ninja Mutant Turtles, and Marvel Heroes, all of which are gonna be fucking Standard legal.you put up with black aragorn, shut the fuck up about Gleancrawler in monoblack
>>96855719You're not nearly as clever as you think you aren, anon. It's really, REALLY obvious.
>>96855724>you supported black aragorn artwork?>heh, then you should support green cards in monoblack decks :^)
>>96855724>gleancrawler in mono blackI'm sure the fabled insectfag in wotc has something to do with this!!
Oh.My.Garfield.How DARE they give direct damage to mono W. This card needs to be a R/W hybrid card and banned in all mono W decks,.
>>96855738It's REALLY obvious you're crying right now
>>96855705if the hybrid mana change means I see more cards from 15-20 years ago and less slop from the last five to ten years I'm absolutely in favor of it.every lorwyn/shadowmoor/ravnica card in somebody's deck is one less opportunity to play spider-man, dr. who, fallout, 40k, walking dead, assassin's creed, or lord of the rings
>>96855694that's not me, if I was samefagging I'd make it obvious by replying to the same post multiple times with different cards to show how dumb it is to whine about this shit vs whats in the game. don't you love official rules text being NOSHING on a BAGEL AND SHMEAR
>>96855740>they ramped up the game with FIRE, but i kept quiet, because i'm not a tryhard>they blacked aragorn, but i kept quiet, because i'm not a chud>now they came for my color identity, but they're all laughing at me for some reason
>>96855684Magic is big because it was first. That's it. Nerds are hyper conservative and rarely ever branch out into other systems. That's why despite being almost universally agreed upon as being dogshit D&D is still the most played TTRPG system despite the actual investment/sunk cost fallacy of TTRPGs being MUCH lower than TCGs. Because it was first.If the first major TCG didn't have lands and MtG came out after it nobody would play MtG. It's only popular because nerds are extremely dull people.
>>96855740more like "you are a pig who eats slop, I want to use cards from before the slop era, many of those cards are hybrid"*mindrapes you*give me a blowjob, slave
>>96855712how many teenage mutant ninja turtles and homosexual PlayStation moviegame characters does yugioh have in it?
>>96855754The hybrid mana change means there'll be eight months of explaining to casuals why there's randomly dozens of cards that dont follow the rules and don't make logical sense before everything gets reverted to what it was
>>96855724>while you have greedily swallowed pure slop for the last decade prior to thisyou have a bad habit of inventing a person, pinning everything you don't like onto this imagined person, and then projecting that onto the person you're arguing with. you don't know me. i hate this change, and I hate universes beyond. i did not "put up" with black aragorn. i love this game, i want it to improve. you're implying that my refusal to quit the game over these accumulating grievances is approval of them, when it simply isn't. praying for you anon. be kind
>>96855175I'm about to turn my 8 1/2 Tails deck into a cycling one, that'll be fun. It used to be a Sensei Golden Tail deck, but building specifically around Bushido meant I got 0 wins.
>>96855794>there'll be eight months of explaining to casuals why there's randomly dozens of cards that dont follow the rulesmost casuals are confused why they can't play hybrid cards with mono white mana based when that's how they're explained the game works learning it. it's no more confusing than "Hi this is my five color slop commander Sisay, she's a mono-white permanent immune to any multicolored removal but she gives me a WUBRG color identity allowing me to cast every single card in the game that's ever been printed, I don't even put all 5 kinds of basic lands in my deck since I can just use treasure tokens and mana rocks and command tower/etc to make all the mana I need."
>>96855792I cant decide if I want to run Aloy or if I want to put her into the 99 of Lara Croft
>>96855754That's not how things work irl. You'll see the same couple of hybrid cards in the same types of decks as the game continues to homogenize due to power creep FIRE cards and the faggots that rely on them as a crutch to win forcing out jank.
>>96855794Won't someone PLEASE think of the casuals!
>>96855812You started out immediately wrong then wasted your time typing more. Seek help, retard
>>96855812>>96855818It's really obvious, anon. Just stop, you're embarrassing yourself.
>>96855816do people actually think this dogshit is good?
>>96855093>mechanical explanation for a flavor issue
>>96855824>do people actually thinkno
>>96855773Damn. It really do be like that.
>>96855792It doesn't matter if Yugioh art has swastikas and every monster has 1488 attack points if the game fucking blows.
>>96855816I mean that sounds like a personal issue on your part more than anything. There's already like 10 to 15 cards I'd put into my mono white deck right away once the change is made. anything with Persist goes in my reanimate loop deck as well which normally can't use most of them due to being hybrid with the wrong mana colors. will it affect 5-color slop or 4-color partners? no but Idgaf about those fags they already have access to every single card in the game they want.
>>96855824No, but it's become the poster child for "dude look how creative Wizards COULD be!!" People rightfully blast Wizards constantly yet suddenly they think they're design geniuses.
>>96855795>my refusal to quit the game over these accumulating grievances is approval of themnta but they're right. If you don't like something but you continually support it you're giving it your approval no matter how much mental gymnastics you engage in to cope. Just own up to being a weak willed consoomtard, you're not tricking anyone in this thread.
>>96855816Oh no. One extra attack round for white.
>>96855848If you play this at my pod, I will ignore it. Rule 0 is no woke, no UB and no WOTC BS.
>>96855853
>>96855822again, not me bro. the fact hybrid mana in EDH of all things is what makes you piss your pants and declare Magic is dead and not the last decade of humiliation is endlessly hilarious to me though. seriously, if THIS is what you get mad about the "PIGS EAT SLOP" shit about EDH players is true to a T. >I CAN ACCEPT BLACK ARAGORN>I CAN ACCEPT CONSTANT CENSORSHIP>I CAN ACCEPT EVERY WOMAN HAVING ARTIST INSTRUCTIONS TO BE DRAWN FAT AND UGLY>I CAN ACCEPT SPIDERMAN AND NINJA TURTLES>BUT I CANNOT! ACCEPT! RAVNICA AND LORWYN CARDS IN MY MAGIC DECKS!!!!!!!lol
I just like playing the game with my friends personally
>>96855859wow you can inspect element so coolfooling nobody btw
>>96855853The color is on the card.
>>96855869THERE ARE TWOCOLOURS
>>96855795>i hate this change, and I hate universes beyond. i did not "put up" with black aragorn. yes you did because you still play it and are emotionally invested in it>i love this game, i want it to improve.That means you put up with it. Stop talking like a fucking battered housewife you spineless cuckold. >you're implying that my refusal to quit the game over these accumulating grievances is approval of them,when a wife beater comes home and beats his wife, every day she stays with him out of hope "he'll get better" or "normally he's so sweet!!" is approval of his behavior. Did your dad beat the shit out of you and your mother, and that's why you talk like a retarded coping battered housewife?
>>96855875You can pay with one color.
>>96855865The only fool here is (You).
>>96855877yeah? so why are you here then? why do you still play?
>>96855888True, but your deck must be at least both or you're going to give up that mana for nothing, zoomer.
>DRAW US A GAY LOOKING OVERWEIGHT FIFTEEN YEAR OLD BOY WITH A FULL POKEDEX!oink for your slop
>>96855875This is a good post
>>96855901>yeah? so why are you here then? why do you still play?I openly loathe 99.9% of modern magic cards and only want to play with cards and art from shit like 10+ years ago, none of which I give a single cent to WOTC for. I do not "love this game" and do not believe improvement is possible. I'm here because I occasionally play the game with people I've known for years in real life, and I enjoy watching fucking retards like you cope and seethe over how a dying game can still be saved.
>>96855915I hear premodern is pretty good if you can manage to find a store that plays it
>>96855875THERE IS ONE COLORRRRRRRRRRRRR
>>96855905>he's got to be overweight!>rest of the shit don't matter>makes him the most disgusting ugly MTG card everPretty based, ngl.
Why is this the only borderless art for this
I'm not giving this dumbass (you)s but I went to look through hybrid mana cards the day after they started talking about it and there's a very short list of valid hybrid mana costs that would really transform decks; most of them would just let you slam into the 99 a card that otherwise needed to be jacked into the commander zone.Lets see, I have Balan Wandering Knight in Mono W, that could now run:Arcanist's Owl as an expensive artifact filterBoros combat tricks, mostly Master Warcraft gets special noticePortal Manipulator for shenanigansPrivileged Position for expensive protectionSun Spider for equipment tutoring at a fucking stupid priceFlickers, lots of azorius flickersWaves of Aggression if I want to pay full price for something I only run Genji Glove for because I can cheat the equip costAnd Neerdiv Devious Diver in Mono U, who could run:Ashiok, Dream Render for more mill and graveyard hateCall the Skybreaker as a way to cast from graveyard some bodiesFlotsam//Jetsam for shenanigans (and maybe the silliest example of 'but it counts as U' for being B and G hybrids both)Memory Sluice for more millSymbiote Spiderman as the most underwhelming Scavenged Brawler to ever be printedEither could run Worldpurge if I wanted to pay a lot of mana to hate myself and the entire table as I struggle to break parity on it.Maro's justification as always is half-cocked, a bit arrogant and clearly driven to justify an already made high-level decision, but a lot of the crying feels performative. I haven't seen any examples of cards that aren't 'do what you already do in your colors with minor tweaks for more mana'. Find me something that goes fucking off and breaks some 2-color (simic maybe, I feel like that's where something disgusting might show) or 3-color commander and maybe I'd change my mind; but mostly I see mono gameplans having more options within their own gameplans.
>>96855922>"So what's your CMC?">"Well, I identify as WUBRG. I can play every card that's ever been made.">"Okay, but what's your permanent type? Can I Null Elemental Blast you?" >"I identify as WUBRG. I don't talk about what color I was assigned at printing, you bigot.">"Okay, but can you get Ultimate Priced or not? WHAT MANA DOES IT COST TO PLAY YOU? What's in your pants?">"I IDENTIFY AS FIVE COLORED!"it really is like arguing with trannies
https://moxfield.com/decks/fDdYAKNEG02izfpJ-M8N_Qthinking of replacing crackle with power with pic relThis card seems like a way weaker version, shouldn't be a big deal?
>>96855960>xyz mana>blue border card>red manaFucking kek. I miss WOTC being based.
>>96855939>still assuming this is a mechanical issueDawg you have the tism
>>96855904The boxes are already printing.
>>96855939Powercreep is bad even if it's just a bit of powercreep. But it's not a powerlevel argument; it's a rules consistency argument. Colour identity is such a huge part of why commander DOESN'T suck, and wotc's attitude is nothing if not "give me an inch and I'll take a mile". Them getting comfortable with eroding colour identity is a bad thing by any metric, because where does it stop? All their arguments for the hybrid change boil down to "it lessens restrictions!" and that applies to any rollback of colour identity.That aside, it's not really possible to make a judgement now on the powerlevel impact of the change based just on the existing hybrid pool, since the next two sets are both going to have a bunch of hybrid cards.
>>96855960Hello there, fellow red card!
>>96855997It stops at hybrids.
>>96855997>getting comfortable with eroding colour identitythe largest erosion of color identity was counting pips in rules text instead of just cmcif we're doing homebrew edh rulesets to spite wotc the number one should be reverting to only cmc costs, not ability costs.
>>96856013t. "only wanted to get married"
>>96856018t. "im voluntary celibate"
>>96856013You're stopping absolutely nothing
>>96856040Weirdly enough I'm not a designer nor an employee but feel free to scream at your nearest wall while you're at it
>>96855997>I can see the broccoli in his fire deck and it triggers me
>>96856047You'll be the one screaming at the wall come next year bwahaha
>>96856086The boxes are still printing
>>96855997You're right about the powerlevel issue; Lorywn is obviously coming with a bunch of hybrid bullshit otherwise they wouldn't (pretend to) consider it like this.That being said at most what I see is decks getting another handlful of cards to do what they already do more often with mild tweaks. For example, Azorius Flickers into white or blue get only 3 additional cards. Boros combat tricks that are opened up by this are 4 more for white, and only 3 more for red. Waves of Aggression would be a real prize, but that brings mono white to a total of 2 extra combat cards compared to 27 in red; 1 in bant and 1 blue gets to force on other players.I'm going to watch spoilers closely when they come around, but the existing library is mostly looking like opening up cards to decks that want them, not because they're great, but because they're more on theme.
>>96855946I swear it's s impossible for americanized individuals to have a conversation without mentioning trannies
>>96855935>he's got to be overweight!They just wanted to better align with the playerbase.
>>96856061> wrong Symblo Bymblo on the card
>>96855905>special relationship with monsters>here let me put all of my overweight mass on your noseI'm not entirely convinced this art wasn't a shitpost
>>96852840Now of its effects are in white.
>>96855905> we definitely want him to be overweight and have sone wild dyed hair> all sassOh no no no ha ha ha ha
who do I build next?
>>96856126he's not wrong though and you know it
So why have color identity at all?
>>96856126In a few days, you'll hear about trannies and immigrants taking away all the food amidst the civil unrest.
You can play whatever commander you want but your deck is mono coloredYou can play whatever commander you want but your deck is two colors and your commander costs 1 moreYou can play whatever commander you want but your deck is three colors and your commander costs 2 moreYou can play whatever commander you want but your deck is four colors and your commander costs 3 moreYou can play whatever commander you want but your deck is five colors and your commander costs 4 more
>>96856181colors now identify as wotcfluid
>>96856209t.
One day, one day soon, this will be mono redprepare yourselves
https://moxfield.com/decks/fDdYAKNEG02izfpJ-M8N_Qdown to 25 cuts..
>>96856181>So why have color identity at all?the entire reason "color identity" exists instead of using commander colors to restrict what mana you can generate is to enable dumb shit like Najeela letting you play every single card in the game.If we got rid of "color identity" as it currently exists and went back to "your commander determines what mana you can make, if it's not needed to cast your commander you can't make that mana" color identity wouldnt be needed and the "muh limitations breed creativity" would actually be massively increased since to run cards like najeela you'd need to be playing Child of Alara or Progenitus or some shit."players will have too easy access to colorless mana!" is a retarded and hilarious concern in hindsight but eldrazi were hard pushed and shilled everywhere by wotc for a while. now in 2025 it seems retarded
>>96856265there's a couple commanders that would hurt pretty badly by this change thoughwhile it's a rarity, Urtet genuinely has a good reason to be designed the way it is, since myr themselves are (almost entirely) colorless but under commander rules, you wouldn't be able to play the 5 most famous myr in the supposed myr deck needing 5 colors to activate it's ability also makes thematic sense
>>96856238You're doing some real dipshit stuff like Arcane Bombardment, Wand of Wonder and running Vesuvan Duplimancy with exactly 3 flicker spells. You're better off with actual Kuja or Black Waltz since Inalla just wants you to spam wizards spells. Your spell slinger synergies work against the tribal aspect despite the tribe being wizard. Things like Keen Duelist and Parker Luck will just lose you games. Thoracle makes me think you pulled this from edhrec with no thought. You're not even close to ever winning with that design mistake.
>want to play edh >you cannot just buy decks you must brew them>everybody clowns on you for looking for high-quality listsI just want to play the game and have fun. I work too much to have the time to brew my own decks. Looking up cards for days, planning ratios of different effects, optimising the mana curve are not fun for me and I don't have timeWhy does it feel like edh is gatekept by NEETs?The closest thing I found was deck lists by "content creators" from YouTube or random decks on edhrec with no way of telling a good deck from a bad one.
>>96856306>muh workget a life
>>96856306>you cannot just buy decks you must brew themDo you have any idea how many casual players come to my LGS rocking precons? Not even upgraded, just straight out of the box. One dude even brings a briefcase of 8 of them for people to try out at his table
>>96856306Like >>96856313says, just get some precons then.The only thing that's super shitty at a table is some guy marching in with a bunch of proxied netdecks, and then driving it drunk across the table and crying when they wrap it around the metaphorical telephone pole.
>>96856306Soulless germans created multiplayer solitaire board games decades ago for your kind. Try /bgg/
>>96856313Seto Kaiba finally quit YGO? Damn that shit must be dead dead.
>>96856310See what I mean? >>96856313Sadly, that's not common here. I have a few precons actually, but they feel purposefully bad at times.
>>96856297>but under commander rules, you wouldn't be able to play the 5 most famous myr in the supposed myr deckthe concept of a "secret commander" is already established, nothing stops you from putting Urtet into an actual WUBRG deck and having him be the real focus of the deck.
>>96856326>I have a few precons actually, but they feel purposefully bad at times.Then upgrade them. Costs like 10-20bux, at most, to chuck in a bunch of great cards
>>96856326>he lives to work
>>96856306>can't buy a deck out of the box>*stares at my Squirrels precon with a few additions, my Felothar defender creatures precon, my Cloud Strife Precon, my Terra Precon, and my Necrons precon*y-yeah, imagine being able to just play decks out of a box...
>>96856326>they feel purposefully bad at times.for a guy so busy at work you don't realize how it makes business sense for wotc to design them that way
>>96856328which will only help decks become even more generic if you're forced to use one of the few 5c commanders that actually support secret commander stuff where you can reliably get your actual commander outor more aggressively push people to fill up half their decks with tutor slopcurrent situation is far healthier than everyone using the same commander and tutors
>>96856306this is a non-competitive format played mostly by spergs too bad at actual magic the gathering to ever consider draft/constructed/pauper/whatever.if you just want to jump in and play without brewing, one of the better ways to play Commander (that also mostly avoids said spergs who are bad at the game) is to just pick up an official precon and play against other people using precons. you can even trade precons between games if you're playing with friends, then it becomes a matter of piloting the deck rather than deck building if you don't feel like following the meta. if you like final fantasy shit there's three ff6/ff10/ff14 precons, I think the ff6 one is the most interesting and it's like less than 40 bucks on amazon. if you want an in-universe magic one I think the Merfolk one is one of the better received precons
>>96856338>Felothar>tfw love Abzan in theory but hate every commander except Ghave who I got bored with a decade agoBig butts is boring. Why do Nosewater and Gavin hate Abzan so much?
>>96856362I honestly bought it kind of by mistake. I was hoping to get some of the DnD dragons for my Mr. House deck, and thought they'd be in the precons since the whole set was advertising dragons.As it is though, I like dumb fucking gimmicks, so a deck of big asses that suddenly swings for lethal is fun for me.
>>96856366Sometimes I wish for blissful newfaggotry desu
>>96856371>Doesn't let creatures with Defender attack
"Restrictions breed creativity" mfs when you ask them for their opinion on the Golos ban and why they put Rhystic Study in every deck
>>96856375>is symmetricalLook anon we can both do this. The point was that another Abzan butts commander was a waste of my specific time in returning to Tarkir.
>>96856334Yeah, sucks to be me, I know. I can't change it for the foreseeable future though. Doesn't mean I shouldn't be able to play magic. I can't change find the time to play.>>96856350Realising doesn't mean endorsing it. Also, I never said that I'm looking for a WotC product to maximise my engagement with the capitalist shit system. It could well be a hobby project that tries to collect good/playable decks. Not algorithmically averaged decks like edhrec, and not random decks that might be a list by some crayon eater or something the author never tested and is just ass.>>96856352Honestly, I think playing standard would fit my current life a bit more. "The meta has shifted? Ok I buy 8 new cards and keep playing the deck". But it's a bit too sweaty at my LGS. I like the relaxed atmosphere with the spergs and I don't mind that some of them are bad at actual magic. I'm bad at edh deck building, so what? Or maybe I just refuse to put in the time necessary to build a good 100 card singleton deck, but I think it's also that I'm bad which is why it takes me too long.
>>96856389>It could well be a hobby project that tries to collect good/playable decks.try gunpla/model kits, you 100% get a "good" product even doing a straight build and it'll wait for you no matter how busy you arethe thing with mtg as a hobby though that it's ultimately a pvp game (funny how mtg is never described this way) so "good" is entirely depending on how competent your opponents are and there's no way for wotc to account for that
>>96856379I'm just saying it's a better abzan butts commander. >>96856389either get a preconstructed deck(I can almost guarantee there's one for your playstyle) or just netdeck something based on a commander you like. That's how I ended up with my Mr House deck. I saw some youtube short showing off it was all about dice rolling, thought it was a fun gimmick, found the cheapest decklist I could find, found out the deck was literally unplayable once I playtested it, found another deck list, and merged the two decks together. Is the deck good? No, it's hella vulnerable to nukes and doesn't really have a significant wincon, but it's still fun as hell as a bracket 2-3 deck.
>>96856389>Honestly, I think playing standard would fit my current life a bit morenormally I would agree but standard has been fucking awful for a long time and until Vivi is banned it'll continue to be trash. If you want a 60 card format with a diverse/fun metagame right now the cheapest option is Pauper (or maybe Penny Dreadful if you like MTGO); Pioneer has kinda been left to rot by WOTC so the meta is stale but its still way better off than Standard is right now.
>>96856389Then play in precon only pods or similar power level. As much as we shitfling around here, deck building and personal expression in deckbuilding is an inherent part of the format. Precon pods can be a lot of fun. But if that is untenable for you and you still want something where you don't have to build your own deck, play board games, pick up a meta deck in standard, modern, legacy/vintage, or something good like premodern or just play a fighting game or whatever the fotm shooter or moba is these days. We all make sacrifices in our lives for our hobbies. >muh job is a fake and gay excuse. If that or raising a family are more important to you then let them be more important to you.
>>96856414Seconding Pauper, it is the best format in the game right now, and has been for a while. Competative decks can be built for 25-30 bucks while high dollar pauper deck still runs under 100 bucks unless you're doing something like 5 land spy and need a playset of lotus petals.
pauper formats have aggressive banlists
>>96856414the problem with pioneer is that using rav 2.0 as the starting point is way too early and way too similar to modern as a resultthey should've held back pioneer until 2027 and it should've had throne of eldraine as the starting point and make it a bona fide FIRE format
>>96856408Better is debatable. Felothar is more pushed but Doran's symmetry leans to a more control playstyle and isn't a tranny. Many of the defenders the former turns on have tap abilities anyway.
>>96856434I mean return to ravnica is 2012, I think you're underselling how big a difference no pre-2012 cards is. Even Historic vs Pioneer on Arena is a huge difference in power, and historic is missing a ton of the cards that make Modern into Modern. >throne of eldraine starting pointew, throne was so shit I'd rather we skip it entirely and start at Theros at that point
>>96856443>I think you're underselling how big a difference no pre-2012 cardswith how aggressive wotc is at printing staples it really doesn't make a differencei just chose throne of eldraine because war of the spark was an ending to the gatewatch shit and pretty much an ending to "old" modern as a whole, much like 8th edition being the start of new border
>>96856459>with how aggressive wotc is at printing staples it really doesn't make a differencecan they hurry up and reprint kor spiritdancer so my auras deck can faceroll pioneer like it does historic
Nasty piece of work, when you have haste on all your creatures. Ureni had fun tonight
>>96856362>Why do Nosewater and Gavin hate Abzan so much?anything with black in it is "boring" as it's by design an "uncreative" color
>>96856306Nigga it’s literally as easy as pulling up EDHREC and picking the cards within your budget that fit to a recommended distribution of card types.If you have time to play the game you have time to fucking brew. Shit, brewing is what I do in this hobby when I DON’T have time to play
>>96856265Rosewater hands typed this post
Why is it that Angels and Bulls are Boros' creature identity
>>96856265>"players will have too easy access to colorless mana!" is a retarded and hilarious concern in hindsightThey do though?
>>96851472worldfire is based and actually moves the game forward tho
>>96851694soooie sooooooooie
>>96856565>Rosewater hands typed this postthere's 0% chance rosewater wants to go back to commander-CMC-only and colored mana getting "washed out" to colorless if you didn't have it in-color like I do. side note it would also fix treasure tokens and make the whining about Beseech the Queen a nonissue.
>>96854381most of the playstation ip lairs haven't been relevant for years
>>96856578>They do though?yes anon, that's the joke, colorless mana is utterly trivial to generate in EDH; the "fear" that colored mana not of your commander's colors becoming colorless would be "too good" is retarded (especially since 4 color and 5 color lists are so common, again because it's the format with the most fast mana and mana fixing outside legacy)
>>96851472out of curiosity, does the "no MLD" bracket shit count mass permanent destruction as MLD, or is "all permanents" broad enough its allowedI've seen some people bitch about even vindicate being used on lands
>>96856674>it's ANOTHER episode of the MLD fag can't read and needs shit explained to himAre you denying people a ton of lands? if so, yes.
>>96856678just let me LOOOP the spell
>>96856678>Are you denying people a ton of lands? if so, yes.if somebody's casting worldfire no lands is the least of their worries. there's precons with mass permanent removal in them to further muddle things
>>96856687>still pretending to be illiterate
>a perfectly good format. people are having fun>wotc sees healthy community>oh we know what is best for you guys! let's change the rules and try balancing cards for it ourselves>no-one talks about decks anymore. it's just endless tourists successfully baiting and other seethingpeople can't adopt "magic 2" fast enough
>>96856696the entire magic discord has effectively broken down into people even making meme decks about the hybrid change. wotc REALLY fucked up this time, I'm genuinely considering cashing out because we're reaching the point where even the core rules don't matter.
>>96856705>check>swordfag talking about itlmao
>>96856716Let me guess, he's come around and is now slurping up a slop rule change?
>>96856718Apparently if you say "Hybrid" the server makes a bot respond saying to point a quarter in the jar like it's a swear jar.
>>96856705Uh, do you mean the core rules where spells with hybrid mana can be cast with either type of mana?Like don't be a fucking retard. Whether it was the rules or not, hybrid mana has always been a fucking weird cut out in color identity-- a spell that is {W/U} is Azorius because it is white and blue, but it's neither a white spell or a blue spell and neither a white nor a blue commander can have it in their deck, but the Azorius commander only needs a W or a U mana to cast it, not both.I'm still waiting for someone to bring out the horribly degenerate tech that supposedly treating hybrid mana as exclusive is preventing. Closest we've got is a second combat step in white, doubling the number of cards that they have for that (to 2).Find me the hybrid mana gamechangers anon. I'm sure they're out there somewhere.
>>96856751>swordqueer actually trying to gatekeep>openly>in the jews of the coast serverban incoming>>96856755>can be cast by either colorDoes this make them multicolor? Or do you not know that in the FORMAT of Commander/EDH, color IDENTITY is determined by the symbols on the card? Oh wait, you're just being intentionally disingenuous. Again.
>>96856751>OTHER FORMATS DON'T HAVE COLOR IDENTITYokay, great, since we agree color identity is so important, make color identity only determined from the card's actual colors and mana the way it used to be>WAIT NO NOT LIKE THAT I NEED MY WUBRG SLOP!!!!!!! oh so it's apparently not important at all, given that these faggots are desperate to have every single magic card ever printed available with the barest inconvenience.....
>>96856755>I'm still waiting for someone to bring out the horribly degenerate tech that supposedly treating hybrid mana as exclusive is preventing. Closest we've got is a second combat step in white, doubling the number of cards that they have for thatWhy do the cards have to be good to justify not changing the rule?>>96856762>color identity is determined by the symbols on the cardsHow is this a problem? Or is this some stupid retardshit about how you dislike the 5-color ability thing?
at this point I actually want the change to happen just to see people have an aneurhysm
>>96856762>make color identity only determined from the card's actual colors and mana the way it used to beWhy?
>>96856769Amen, it would be glorious
>>96856759>Does this make them multicolor?This is an appeal to the card's colors, not it's color identity. A card's mechanical colors has nothing to do with color identity. The most popular mono-white commanders are actual WUBRG slop five color color identity cards, for example. It also goes the other way around, too. Pic related has the COLOR IDENTITY of mono-green, despite being ALL FIVE COLORS mechanically. There's mono-color cards with WUBRG identity and WUBRG colored cards with mono-color identity. They're completely divorced mechanics. So every time people say "well, hybrid cards are multicolored!" the response is "Yeah, so?" because the question about Color Identity is separate from being mono/multicolored. Right now a GW multicolored card and G/W G/W card are treated identically for purposes of color identity, but there's no actual reason G/W G/W can't have "choose a color identity" the same way they have "choose a color to cast".
>>96856774Currently, their color identity is determined by the card's symbols. A hybrid symbol is both, and for no reason other than to muddy the waters and make the game worse would you change that.
>>96856771because color matters and restriction breeds creativity
>>96856776>A hybrid symbol is bothhow much mana does it cost to cast a G/W card? do I pay both?it's not "both", it's "or">Currently, their color identity is determined by the card's symbols.if the symbol is "or" shouldn't the identity be "or" too? Its COLORS are both, but we've already established that color=/=color identity
>>96856772I wonder if it would be enough to fuel a format split. knowing how gutless edhg is nothing will ever happen
>>96856781>its colors are bothThey are not, and your argument is extremely verbose but completely lacking in substance. No one said you had to pay both colors, but it's clearly a multi-color card with multiple color symbols on it. Fusing them into one slot does not remove a red card's redness.
>>96856781>>96856774>>96856762Do you just not understand color identity or is this some kind of falseflag?
>>96856759Well that depends on whether or not you think generic mana costs are multicolor because you can pay for them with W, U, B, R, or G. In that case, Sol Ring is WUBRG. In fact it's even worse, because it can be paid for with explicit colorless. That means Sol Ring only goes in Ulalek, Fused Atrocity decks.Alternatively, you could say "that's way too fucking retarded" and "Simic hybrid mana clearly can be paid with Green or Blue; not half a Green Mana and half a Blue Mana; making it more like a generic cost, not less. Restricting the color identity because of a color that it doesn't need to be played is weirdly backwards."And again, I've yet to hear a case on what stands to be broken by the change except for some grogs stomping on their own testicles over the change.
>>96856788You're literally agreeing with me, I think you need to re-read the post.A card's casting cost, mechanical color(s), and color identity are all separate mechanics with no inherent overlap.A hybrid card's mechanical colors are multicolored, but its casting cost is "or" and can be mono-colored. There's no reason its color identity can't also be "or" like its casting cost.
>>96856793>Well that depends on whether or not you think generic mana costs are multicolor because you can pay for them with W, U, B, R, or G. In that case, Sol Ring is WUBRG. In fact it's even worse, because it can be paid for with explicit colorless. That means Sol Ring only goes in Ulalek, Fused Atrocity decks.Oh so you ARE being disingenuous intentionally.
>>96856793>I've yet to hear a case on what stands to be broken by the changethe core rule "Color identity", no amount of coping or talking around it changes that.>>96856797>color identity should be orName any other card that has a "variable" color identity except for like the 3 Partners where you declare colors. A red and white card is always red and white. A blue card is always blue. >Nah we should make a brand new rule to make this small batch of cards available to everyone despite none of them being denied to anyone except for the same reason you can't run Counterspell in a mono-red deckDo you hear yourself?
>>96856798So that's a no? You're doing a shit job of keeping up with this.Hybrid mana is intentionally easier to cast than regular mana which means its more available-- in all formats except for Commander where {W/B}{W/B} is somehow the same as {W}{B}; but just when you're putting the deck together. When you put it on the table you can cast it for {W}{W}, {W}{B} or {B}{B}, but don't let me dare catch you acting like it's anything but the CORRECT {W}{B} when you're sleeving up.>>96856800Well then when the rule changes I hope you won't be too upset. It's pretty obvious they're not gauging reception, they're preparing damage control.
>>96856751>click on the cat fag>tranny flag>fagflag>"she/her"Trannies don't like color identity confirmed, all identity needs to be liquid.
>>96856803I'm probably gonna take a prolonged break since Commander is slowly becoming less and less Commander and more and more just every other format (which are all dead for a reason).
I got the solution. Since the deck represents your capabilities as a planeswalker, let hybrid mana influence color identity depending on the kind of mana that the specific deck is capable of generating through lands to fuel/pay the cost of the card.
>>96856813>all decks with City of Brass are WUBRGYeah didn't think about this before you posted it, huh?
>>96856816They would still be restricted by the identity of their commander, retard.
So where's the new RC to replace the old one and steward the format? There's no reason to allow it to remain in WotC's hands as they've made it clear they're just going to change rules to sell product and don't actually care about the format past it.
So much of this argument feels like people talking past one another, or using "colored" to refer to multiple separate things. Pic related is what the change will result in, whether or not you agree or disagree with the change, a card's mechanical colors vs color identity vs actual CMC/casting pips are three separate things already. The hybrid change is only impacting one of these three things. Pic related would be the state of how the game works post-change; whether you think that's good or bad is a matter of taste, but at least get on the same page when talking about it.
>>96856821Why does any of this have to change at all? Who is being denied anything here? A few spells that are easier to cast in their respective colors is a good thing.
>>96856829>wanting the rules to not be needlessly inconsistent is a matter of tasteyeah, good taste.
>>96856832right now the rules are also needlessly inconsistent, just in different ways. even if the change is rejected the rules will still be inconsistent
>>96856837The rules currently make perfect sense.>Symbols on the card = identityThat's it, there are a few specific exceptions and I agree that they could be considered a little annoying, but why add another massive glaring one?
I haven't seen this much seething in a thread since the last time someone talked about mill
>>96856840who in the year of our lord 2025 is still mad about mill when we're basically at yugioh levels of the graveyard being a second hand. The only way to get mad about it is if you're being milled to 0 in a single turn, but at that point "milling" is irrelevant, it could be any combo victory, whether you mill everyone for 2 cards infinitely vs maze's end vs generate infinite mana and burn everyone for 1000 damage vs flicker infinite etb/ltb drains is just cosmetic with an identical end result, either they can stop the combo or not. if anything mill is among the easiest combos to cuck since there's shit like gaea's blessing that works automatically against it
>>96856853>we're basically at yugioh levels of the graveyard being a second handWe're not even close to that.
>>96856877this card would be considered tier 0 instant ban overpowered in yugiohwe're totally at yugioh bullshit levels of design
>>96856887YGO doesn't have casting costs. A lot of shit would be broken in Magic too if it were free.
How long until the new rule is you can run a commander and 1 additional color?
>>96857053>How long until the new rule is you can run a commander and 1 additional color?like ten years ago when they first printed partnerall this pearl clutching about colors is hilarious when you look at actual play rates and the most played decks are all 3 to 5 colors lmao based krenko holding the line against multicolored slop
>>96856887>slightly worse snapcaster mage
>>96857057>ke ten years ago when they first printed partnerThat sounds like a specific mechanic
>>96857057>I want to play multicolor cards>so I play a multicolor commanderthis is how it SHOULD be, anon. If people want to run a card that's red and white, why can't they just run a boros or boros+ commander? Why alter the rules for no reason?
>>96856985>YGO doesn't have casting costs.Might as well given that your normal summon is the least relevant part of any real combo.
>>96857057>all this pearl clutching about colors is hilarious when you look at actual play rates and the most played decks are all 3 to 5 colors lmaoYeah, it's almost like we never needed to make hybrid cards more inclusive.
>>96857062>worse
so now anons hate multi color decks? This seems retarded
>>96856839If you can understand why basics are exempt from the 1 card limit rule when originally they weren't then you will understand hybridThe problem is you refuse to because you're letting your autism get the better of you
>>96857359Are you a sneed? Real question.
>>96857363Bwahahaha cry more
>>96857377Knowing it's the same dude who breaks down and screams "CRYING CRYING CRYING" makes this a lot less impactful.
unironically great card
>>96857400he should generate thopters and give them an anthem effect. as is, why clues? that doesn't make sense.
>>96857391>you're the one crying not me!!!Cant wait for next year that's for sure!
>>96856887Outside of cEDH combo shit this card is not that great.
>>96857416>addressing that your argument always devolves to the same place is accusing you of cryingThere's more than crying and not-crying on the spectrum of emotions, but I feel you're on a different spectrum entirely.
>>96857400I like him a lot, can't wait to cut him from the 99
>>96857414well, he didn't invent thopters in the show, he invented airships and glidersif anything he should have been creating vehicles or equipment but that would have been far too clunky
>>96857430Why go on the internet and lie?
>>96857431All the arguments for and against hybrid have already been said, you continuously sperging out isnt endearing anyone to your crusade
>>96857430>Banned in pioneer (lol)>Banned in modern>Banned in legacy>GC in commanderThe only real format that UB isn't restricted in is fucking vintage lmao
>>96857430It's still a great card even if you don't combo with it, there's a reason it's banned in 3 different formats.
>>96856306I'll let you in on a dirty secret about edh. It's not super fun to play. It's a format built around brewing and tuning.It's why cEDH is laughed atIts why 60 card format players don't understand the popularity Its also why most players either rotate through decks often or have a dozen just laying around. >gatekept by neetsNot really. It doesn't take much to put a deck together. It might not be ultra tuned at first but that matters far less in edh than lets say modern. I would even argue that starting with a tuned deck ruins some of the fun. >no way to tell the good from the badAre you complaining that you don't have total mastery of a thing you clearly just started playing? Lol? Wtf is this post?
>>96856306Those all sound like problems that only exist if your goal is to get validation from faggots ITT.
>>96857561>I'll let you in on a dirty secret about edh. It's not super fun to play. It's a format built around brewing and tuning.>i'm incapable of fun so no one else likes the gamewhat the fuck kind of sad world do you live in? go get a hobby you like, retard.
>>96857561>It's not super fun to playI find it fun
>>96857561>edh is all about brewing and tuning>it was never about playing with other people>it's all about piling up dozens of decks to store in your closetNah man if that's your reasoning I'd rather have this
I hope you're ok with your voltron commander never getting to attack again
>>96857618>Voltron commander>Not having hexproof>Not having ward: 1, 2, 3, pay 3 life, sacrifice 17 permanents, and let me fuck your wife in front of youHe was asking for it, desu
>>9685762899% of voltron commanders don't think about protection just take my word for it
>>96857641As if they have to think about it, half of all Voltron pieces just have it stapled on as an afterthought
>>96857618My voltron commander doesn't need the untap step. A pity...for you
I hate the UB cards that just screenshot a moment from the show or game the set is about
>>96857614Funny you say that because that's exactly how a lot of people treat their decks.
>>96857654You already saw that with FF where once they reached the PS1 games the ingame render bonus sheet cards looked terrible. Surely Avatar has some artbooks or whatever they can get some art from, no?
>>96857675Unfortunately basedjacking "superfans" slop that shit up like the pigs they are so they will continue ad infinitum
>>96857664I'm aware thats what some people do but i'd rather go for things that are visually striking instead of... rows upon rows of deck boxes
>bored>search for rakdos commander content>see thisjesus christ I thought the american mutt was just a racist caricature
>>96857699It's just pattern recognition
>>96857614Based fellow gunpla fan. Is that a sazabi or Sinanju?
>>96857699>American>Brown
>>96857711That's sazabi right beside the hi-nu probably because nightingale wont fit inside the display case lol
>>96857593>>96857599>>96857614Let me put it this wayI could play my modern jund deck (pre mh3) forever. Modern is a format that I found to be very fun even with a standardized deck because not only did the format provide a place for mostly good competition but it also had pretty snappy gameplay. Edh is clunkier and trades most of its competitive viability for an open card pool, multiplayer and access to a commander. Overall I still play edh over modern because I enjoy it more, but the brewing process is a larger portion of that enjoyment because edh is a format that incentivizes novelty over skill expression or competition.Also I want to add that the tuning process inherently involves ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME so no this is not a post advocating no-gameism.I am merely suggesting that edh decks become stale faster than 60 card decks but that the deck-building and tuning process more than make up for it.
>>96857736I don't play it for the competitiveness, I play it because I find the game fun and play it with close friends who cares if it's clunky as long as you enjoy the deck that's all that should matter
>>96857654>>96857675that shit always looks so bad on cards. can't even tell you why. I tried various art styles on proxies, and even screenshots from doom look better on a card than show screenshots.
>>96857618tummy
>>96857736I kept my modern tron pre war of the spark in the hopes that there will be a closed format ala premodern down the line, i've retired from tournament grindsI play edh because ending the night with more than a 25% winrate is awesome
>>96851694you spent more on that alone than i have over all the UW sets this year aloneits absolutely joever no, i didnt buy anything UB
>>96856887YGO has HOPTs so this would be useless in 90% of decks, and would be redundant in the 9% that want to play cards from grave are playing cards that play themselves from grave already Exodia is a dog shit strategy thanks to droll and going card negative from your second hand for generic shit like upstart is kinda pointless
>>96851694How much slop do you consume in an average day?
>>96857736Yep. EDH without brewing is meaningless. Most people build uninspired decks, so I just treat them as NPCs and build around the assumption that they'll be playing certain basic strategies.
>>96856200I live in a white country so I wont have to worry about your american problems
>>96857699That's what white supremacists look like in North America, by the way. An entire continent of 30% white "people" shit talking 10% white "people" for being black.
>>96857928>>96857928>>96857928Row on over to the new thread frens.
>>96857193Hybrid cards are mostly good for decks that aren't running 4 color slop.
>>96855794Nah, it'll pass through despite like 75% of players not wanting it, to help sell lorwyn to all the EDH paypigs. WOTC will astroturf all the major social media platforms and EDH will be a little bit worse as they prep to change some more rules to sell packs. At this point, if you actually pay attention to the official rules, you're not playing commander. Most people I play with haven't even read the brackets at this point myself included. Just find a group and ignore everything, just like the original EDH players did.
>>96857618She won't be able to block this chi*unzips dick*
