Previous: >>96839875Hasbro Edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQ:Should basic lands be free?
>>96846537Tq: When I build budget decks I always consider basics to be free
>>96846550>prevents the free removal spells which are a pox on the formatStill one of the worst design decisions the format has ever seen. All the "cast for free if you control your commander" cards need to be banned and forgotten to history
>deflecting swat is weaker than fierce guardianship...for some reason
>>96846357>>96846631can you mix it up with edicts, or are they counterproductive for his style?
>>96846616>can counter way more thingsyes
>>96846643deflecting swat can change abilities. they're not 1:1 but not effecting creatures at all versus any targetted effect is hard to say swat is definitively worse
>>96846616>deflecting swat can only change the target of single target spells>fierce guardianship can stop literally any noncreature spellare you dumb?
>>96846658>Single target spellsIt's any spell or any ability
>>96846658hmm would i rather have a card that is both protection and removal and hits abilities or have a card that does nothing to creatures and does nothing off the stack and nothing to abilities.
Had edh night yesterday. I won every game.
W>Will of Ricky RetardoEnchantment Only one replacement effect may affect a player at a time.A player can only have one ability trigger a turn.RWhirlwind of triggersInstantEach player takes 1 damage for each triggered ability that they control that triggered this turnBorinkoRWCreatureHaste, trample, cock punch 3Forgery - you may pay 0 instead of sacrificing a permanent or paying a cost an opponent would have you pay or sacrifice.
>>96846674>hmm would i rather have a card that stops the game winning combo (in a stronger color!!) or a card that does nothing to stop the game winning combo (in a shittier color!!)
>>96846697>borinko with fetchlandsJesus chris what have you done
>>96846637If they're like torment of hailfire as it'll help you push damage.
>>96846705>the game winning combo is a creatureaw shucks
>>96846697>Each player takes 1 damage for each triggered ability that they control that triggered this turnMy Narci sagas/summons deck cries at the thought of this
>>96846726Torment
>>96846727>the game winning combo is a creatureaw shucks swat doesn't do shit to that either
brackets good
>>96846674>swat doesn't stop the boogeyman of the format, Rhystic StudyI have much to teach you.
>>96846709>an opponent would have you sacrifice
>Opponent casts Cometstorm X = 4000000, kicked twice>Cast FG>Game continues like nothing happened>Cast Swat instead>Win the game
Maro chirps in on the Hybrid debate.
>>96846765>even mark is shilling hybrid mana for commanderOh yeah, it may as well be confirmed.
>>96846765>mechanics>game design>over a purity of color and the one drop rulenot an argument
>>96846765remember, it's already been decided
>>96846774>Also retardanon:>"Why can't I put this banned card in my deck? It's just one card that's not even that good!!!"
>>96846537>Should basic lands be free?Yeah my old FLGS had them for 50 for a dollar so 2 cents each. Basically free. Wizards of the Coast must be selling them to FLGS as part of some special store support pack, but they must be under NDA cause they'll NEVER talk about how they get basic lands. I have 87 kitchen table decks of the 60-card variety, just to make stuff for fun like jank enchantment decks, or block-constructed decks around mechanics, or stupid combos like token drop + cavalcade of calamity + chandra's spitfire.
>>96846658Deflecting Swat can affect multi-target spells/abilities too.>>96846670Only relevant for targeted spells/abilities. Deflecting Swat on Farewell, while legal, doesn't do anything.
>>96846744It's worded clumsily. The opponent qualifier should lead the text. The or implies the first section applies to any sacrifice.
>>96846765The first sentence is logically incorrect, therefore everything after is worthless. Classic jewish tactic.
>>96846537>>>TQ:>Should basic lands be free?They are free, just take them from your LGS's land station. That's what I do.
>>96846765Hybrid mana and any planeswalker as a commander are all but confirmed to be done with the next sets
>>96846791He deserves to be a game changer, not banned.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96846765God the way he talks is so fucking exhausting.
>>96846841is there any red deck where he's not an auto-include?
As a Garland and fan of chaos what’s some good jank to toss in with this? >>96846777Trips of truth. It was never up to debate. What are the standouts we buy before shitters hoard them?
>>96846765Deck diversity isnt the issue here, but thanks for farting out your opinion about a format you don't understand, Maro.I wonder if hes still salty that edh basically cucked his gay pet mechanic a decade before he was allowed to present it.
>>96846859Guttural Response, Vexing Shusher
what would you guys say is the most anti-midrange pile deck archetype? my pod has a TON of these sorts of engine barfing decks like atla palani, hakbal, multiple hearthull decks, muldrotha, etc.i'd like something to pull out both to try to shift the meta a bit but also to punish people playing solitaire until they win. thoughts? many of these decks are quite strong and can win fast enough, but i am tired of playing against big value midrange stuff
>>96846765This is such a straw that broke the camel's back moment for me. It's barely even a big deal mechanically buy it shows they have no idea how important color identity is to edhI knew something like this was coming when the RC sold us out but I didnt want to believe it would happen so soon
>>96846841No, get fucked. You actually have to play the game, sorry.
>>96846880combo.
>>96846678admit it anon, your decks power levels are disingenuously matched to your pod
>>96846880I find rule of law effects and ratchet bomb do a pretty good job
>>96846859Ghostly FlickerThassa, Deep-DwellingNephalia SmugglerDeadeye Navigatormaybe Kaya's Ghostformmaybe Synod SanctumThere's probably funny things you can do with not being able to sacrifice creatures, but these cards all jump out to me as ways to keep the stolen creatures longer than you are supposed to.Ghostly Flicker in particular can keep another guy and ETB Garland again to steal another guy.
There are times youd prefer a swat and times you'd prefer a fierce. Arguing that one is innately better than the other is silly. And largely irrelevant to the actual issue.
>>96846806You might be stupid.You don't hear about it because you can buy the land station boxes on amazon for about $20 if you googled mtg land station.400 lands at about $0.05 each.https://a.co/d/iCzixWp
>>96846967Duh. The bracket update shit the bed. This isn't news.
>>96846830>any planeswalker as a commandergavin specifically shot that down in the twitch livestream, correctly pointing out that they all just devolve into boardwipe.decthey will still print "this planeswalker can be used as your commander" cards though
>>96846999>correctly pointing out that they all just devolve into boardwipe.decAnd how is that any different from what we already have??? Every planeswalker commander deck plays exactly like that already
>>96847016gavin doesn't want to make it worse basically
>>96847025Any sentence involving what Gavin wants makes me irrationally angry.
>you shouldn't be able to run cards in a color that the card was designed for because I don't like it!!I'm loving these commandertrannies go off
>>96846765>#2Gee, if only you were on the design team or something, and could design strong cards for mono-color decks!
>>96847095>color identity (despite being a core rule) is stupid because O-OTHER FORMATS
Consider the following
>>96847119me first
What mono white and/or mono black commander is best impacted by getting Lurrus as a companion?
>>96847139monowhite stax is my first thought
>>96847119Honestly? I'm down for "the backside is a legendary creature so it can be your commander" rule. I've wanted to run these two for so many years
>>96847148land in the command zone is absurd and would actually be the death of the format
>>96847157
>>96847166since it wasn't immediately obvious i meant from a flavor perspective, not a power one
>>96847170
>>96847183Why's this in the butterfly set? I thought it took place in a haunted house.
>>96847192wouldn't you be scared to know that the ground you're on is actually a sea monster's backside that could submerge anytime and drown you?
>>96847192It's from the commander decks not the actual set, which pretty much just include whatever they want
>>96847192it's in a duskmourne commander deck
>>96847183you know what, just kill yourself dude. this is where i'm at with you people who are so smug and intentionally retarded
>>96847204lol he's so mad
>BEHOLD! I, A POWERFUL PLANESWALKER, HAVE SUMMONED THE MIGHTY COMMANDER OF MY ARMY
>>96847223A lot more immersive than someone casting spongebob or captain america
Are there some cards that duplicate counters (not necessarily +1/+1) unto another creature, while keeping it also on the original counter source?
>>96847269Yes
>>96847139Maybe?
>>96847139Teshar is a likely candidate
>>96847223Not so fast bucko.
>>96847326Your life ends 12 turns from now.
>Should basic lands be free?I feel like if I wrote a letter to WotC about why I need a bunch of lands, they'd probably just give me a bunch of lands.
>>96847354Have fun paying that commander tax buddy.
>>96847316Shirei can run Lurrus but it can't use its companion ability.>702.139b. If a companion ability refers to your starting deck, it refers to your deck after you've set aside any sideboard cards. In a Commander game, this is also before you've set aside your commander.
>>96847354i hate this card so much. if i had to pick a single card to represent bracket 2 retard timmy players, it's dark depths
>>96847378I'll never pay the tax.
Ronald Reagan, Imperial Scholar>W U B RLegendary Creature - Phantom Menace4/4Defender, Death Touch, Flying, First StrikeWhenever a player casts a spell, any other player may give them a treasure, if they do, they copy that spell after the original resolves.>'I'd buy that for a dollar!'
>>96847413That has to be a game changer ASAP.
>>96847390Oh.
Lurrus is so fucking funny when you remember Black Lotus is a 0 cost card. Legacy a meme.
>>96847585I think you mean Vintage anon.
Lurrus is so fucking funny when you remember Jeweled Lotus is a 0 cost card. Commander a meme.
>>96847628fyi you can't run lurrus as companion because you're too busy running the all powerful Rhystic Study
what's a rakdos commander that doesn't get removed on sight
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>>96847681I now regret how I formulated my question
>>96847681They did Patrick so dirty, he’s unplayable slop.
>>96847681To this day I am stunned that WotC could be so lazy. There's something like 3000 legal commanders out there, and they went with this one "cos no ability xD" despite the colors not matching the character at all.Whats the point of having SL and UB slop if the cards aren't even going to reflect the characters? Isn't that the entire point?
>>96846962>>96846859Garland has you choose Monarch every time he enters. So I don't think you can flicker him to steal more then one creature because you will be re choosing Monarch each time.
>>96847777I'm glad Jack didn't get a card in FF because that would have tempted me to consooom
>>96847763patrick is chaotic stupid and selfish, which makes him objectively evil. he is a textbook retard goon, a sidekick of a cartoon villain.>b-b-but spongebob is not a vil-everyone in this cartoon show is a villain. especially spongobob, the sociopath that constantly tortures everyone around him, often to near death.
>>96847810>Patrick>selfishHave you even watched the show?
>>96847912partly, because my little siblings used to watch it. patrick is an extremely selfish character from what I saw - refuses to share things with friends, cares only about what he wants, stubborn and only does literally anything if he gets manipulated by spongobob, which ate usually unproductive or dangerous activities. he is a goon.
>>96847936What does he goon to?
Anybody have good experiences playing picrel? The mob boss version seems way too powerful, but this little fella seems like he might be fun. He's really low on thr charts of most played commanders so he might be too weak regardless of how I build the deck.
How do I play this bitch without it boiling down to searching for protean hulk and bringing some dumb combo pile or drawing out the game until I slowly drain everyone with zullaport?
>>96847944for his boss of course
>>96847954Don't put protean hulk in your deck. It's really that easy.
>>96847960Yes but then the second part of the sentence happens.
>>96847954>how do I play this reanimator deck with the prime colors for the best creature tutors, graveyard tutors and reanimate spells?more tutors.>b-b-but I want to play bracket 2I recommend building a different commander with her in the 99, because any deck with a hint of interaction will fart in her direction and destroy your entire game plan.
>>96847354T1 Waste Sol Ring Mind Stone Fountainport BellT2 Ugin's Labyrinth Forsaken MonumentT3 Dark Depths, 3 Counters OffT4 Wastes Thran Dynamo 3 Counters Off Liquimetal TorqueT5 Wastes 5 Counters OffT6 Get buck fucking wild
Dune standard is coming /mtg/. What do you think the best deck will be?Ornithopters matterGrixis BijazPrincess Irulan prison deckRed aggro
>>96847936Why are zoomers like this its genuinely painful watching them interact
>>96848072I cast Long Live The Fighters! does it resolve?
>>96848072if wotc weren't run by faggot boomers we might actually get this instead of STAR TREK and fucking ninja turtles holy shit dude i'm gonna burst a blood vessel throw mark rosewater into a volcano already
>>96848101zoomers like spongebob because they enjoy watching someone in pain. the most popular spongebob episodes are all about suffering, torture and humiliation.
>>96846765Oh fuck. If he's already going up to bat for this "potential" change then it's happening, isn't it?
>>96847956No when I said gooner I meant chronic porn addict
>>96846859Considering Garland's effect you could probably just run all the mono black creature stealing cards, like Ghonti, and have a buffed stolen creatures board.
>>96846841it will be unbanned. if not in the next year the next five as the game creeps towards it.
>it'll increase deck diversity!>it'll give colors answers they might not have!>it wont be game breaking!>no it will be gamebreakingAll this seems like its there to confuse everyone. This is a core rule of the game, whether or not the cards added to certain colors will be broken is irrelevant. The rule needs to be argued away for its sake. Which I have seen no one do and thats annoying, even maro just talks about deck diversity. A format innately will restrict diversity to a degree.
>>96847777You don’t flicker Garland, you flicker what you jacked to keep it.
>>96848188Yeah I’m already confused l, would this be legal in a mono blue deck or no because it has a white pip?
>>96848170the boss said you need to stop thinking about porn, you better do what he says or else
>>96848200Under current rules with only allowing hybrid mana to count as either constituent mana, it would be illegal in mono white or mono blue because it has W and B identity in addition to the hybrid symbols.
which neglected mechanic will profit the most from the rule change?
>>96846975yeah so then why was the FLGS selling them for 2 cents each?
>>96848215Selling your collection
>>96846859This guy seems like a good fit. If the stolen thing dies just copy it anyways.
>>96848192I see. I was to focuses on Garland and didn't think about using flicker to steal the princess away for keeps. Clever.
Had this been played against me in the store with no wincon. Assblastery for the sake of it
>>96847951Battle tricks and xtra combats.
>>96847115>>color identity (despite being a core rule) is stupid because O-OTHER FORMATSThe original rule for Elder Dragon Highlander, years before "Commander" even existed, was that you could only generate mana in the colors of your legendary. Hybrid mana didn't exist until 2007, and "Commander" as a format did not exist until 2011. Using the original rules for Commander color identity, you WOULD be able to play hybrid mana cards in a monocolor deck, because only being able to generate White mana in Akroma doesn't stop you from playing Waves of Aggression.The original rules also only considered CMC. If your card had mana symbols or costs in its rules text that was irrelevant. Bosh the Iron Golem was not a mono-red commander, he was a colorless artifact. I am actually in favor of this rule returning. Fuck WUBRG slop commanders who are actually mono-colored permanents like Kenrith. If you want a 5-color commander, you gotta pay at least 5 mana to play them like Child of Alara or Progenitus. You can already do shit like pic related which is a much bigger "color identity" issue than hybrid
>>96848270my collection is draft chaff from my friends that I use as backbone for my proxies
>special art foil Kuja is $5>card shop looked at the wrong price and sold it to me for $1.25Any small victories you guys scored lately?
>>96847170>since it wasn't immediately obvious i meant from a flavor perspective, not a power onehow the fuck would an Ormendahl commander deck be the "death of the format" in flavor? If anything it's cool and flavorful as fuck, your commander is literally trapped and you're working to free him so he can lead your army to glory. It's basically roleplaying as every classical "dark lord" in fantasy stories who's sealed or trapped and has underlings working to free him so he can destroy the world. also having an actual land as your commander is still more interaction than Eminence abilities like Ur-Dragon or Edgar Markov. Anything that destroys or exiles permanents can hit it
>>96848242Probably because they're able to subsidize it with draft and other sales profit. It's referred to as a "loss leader".I mean just look. If you're going to your locals to get the lands, it's working. People are being attracted to the store, and someone (not necessarily you) may buy something else while they're there for lands like paticipate in a draft or buying other stuff.
>>96846791>>96846537How much would things change if certain cards were given the "once per game" limitation? Extortionist isnt especially terrible if it gets it's ETB once. It's when you loop shit that it ruins future proofing. Or is this too limiting?
>>96847912>Have you even watched the show?have you?>YOU ATE MY ONLY FOOD, NOW I'M GONNA *STARVE*!rakdos retard for sure
>OMG that deck is bracket 4 and is playing mean stax pieces>OMG your deck isn't bracket 3 you were able to win the game with a 4 card combo on turn 6>Oh i have 25 flying damage i could deal, but instead im just gonna hit someone with a 4/4 teeheeI am tired of you dumb ass fuck commander players. Am i supposed to play the game poorly cause you subhumans don't understand simple things like threat assessment?I swear this format has the worst players out there, there is no point in a bracket system when the players in edh don't understand how the fucking game works.There should be a requirement to play 100 hours in arena before you get to play edh, atleast then people would understand that having a board full of timmy creature with 0 value and not attack is a bad fucking play.
>>96848418>arenaWew
>>96848418>I swear this format has the worst players out therduhit's a non-competitive multiplayer mode played mostly by casuals embarrassed to even attempt 60 card constructed or draft/limited. People will scream about how it's unfair to target them if you try to kill them before their solitaire combo is ready, but will also get mad if you run a faster solitaire than them. only play this shit with personal friends you also play other /tg/ shit with like D&D or actual Magic
>>96848211W and U.I don't know how I keep getting that wrong.
>>96848418Let me guess, you still lost.
What's the consensus on gemstone caverns? Is it worth including? You've got a 7/99 chance of getting it at the start, and then you can't go first.
>>96848445You take mulligans after turn order is decided and yes it's good.
>>96848442No faggot, the problem is i win these games because its like stealing candy from kids, and then i have to deal with the feeling that i either bullied a retarded child or just play a deck 2 levels weaker than everyone else cause im the only one who seems to understand how the game works.
>>96848418>you were able to win the game with a 4 card combo on turn 6this is allowed in bracket 3 btwsomeone CLEARLY didn't read gavin's latest bracket article
>>96848456You seem awfully mad for someone who's winningYou didn't come to edh night expecting a competitive format, did you?
Just watched someone spend 4 hours arguing about this custom card design.
>>96848445>you have a 50% chance of going 2nd in 1v1>you have a 75% chance of not going 1st in EDHit's ~$40 for a reason
Post a hybrid card you'll run once WotC actually makes the change. Pic related would be great in Wayta.
>>96848473Eminence was already cancer ain't no way am I ever fucking playing against this trash
>>96848473What the hell could you even argue about other than pointing out how satirically overpowered it is?
>>96848418>outsider comes in >starts telling everyone what they are doing is wrongbadfun>posts angrily online about it
>>96848467When i play monopoly i expect people to make me bankrupt when i land on boardwalk with a hotel, i don't want someone to tell me "Umm you bought the yellow properties and thats clearly a pro player strategy, we don't buy matching properties in this bracket".If it is hard for you to understand what i mean, this isn't a casual format of magic, EDH is 4 faggots pretending to play magic while they show everyone their collection of shiny toys.
>>96848473what's to argue about it?it's boring and it will still be curbstomped by the usual suspects
>>96848481They're arguing that this is needed to stop izzet players from comboing off turn 0.
>>96848479
>>96848484It's ok if you don't get the appeal of a casual format. There are other pods to play with who are probably better skilled and other formats if that fails. I suggest you don't let it bother you too much.
>>96848491>turn 0Surely you meant turn 1 because ain't no way are they ritualing their way past freebie instant/flash spells, which they'll run out of immediately
>>96848500No, that's what they're arguing.
>>96846537I met a friend who plays paper magicif he plays commander should I just use his decks? Or buy a precon
>>96848484Oh also could you post your deck, I'd like to see what you are working with. It might shed light on this situation.
>>96847951Bracket 1 version of a bracket 2 card.
>>96848506I would recommend spending nothing for as long as possible.
>>96848479Might try and find room in Flubs for this guy
>>96848504They are fucking retarded. Ignore them
>>96848519I figured as much
>>96848479mono-white angel waifu tribal
>>96848366It would be a big pain rules wise. In mtg, cards count as new versions of themselves when they change zones, so you could reuse the effect if you blinked it. I'm not even sure if the rules as is make it possible to have a card with a once per game ability that avoids zone change resets.
>>96848366>>96848550isn't exhaust exactly that?
>>96848555No, because like >>96848550 said, if a card changes zones it becomes a new instance, hence why you can blink nuLoot and abuse his abilities.Only way to really have a "once per game" effect in MtG would be to create an emblem that would prevent the ability from activating/triggering again.
>>96848507I am the point where i only use precons, if i used anything stronger the games feel stupidly one sided.People don't know how cards work, they don't know how priority works, they don't know how the stack works. If i explain to them things im like "playing the game for them" If i don't i am try harding and abusing them...
>>96848445>7/99That doesnt sound right to me
>>96848479This is solid in almost any mono-green deck, which always has lots of mana and is always starved for cards
>>96848322Note that many flicker effects return things to the battlefield under their owner's control. The cards in >>96846962 all return the cards under your control.And a warning on Kaya's Ghostform: because it has to be attached to a creature you control, it will fall of if you don't crack it fast enough and lose control of the creature.>704.5m. If an Aura is attached to an illegal object or player, or is not attached to an object or player, that Aura is put into its owner's graveyard.
>>96848366they've already made "once per game" rules that are legit once per game even if changing zones/new copies in arena, a keyword that is the same for paper would not be that hard. Even if it was just "The first time per game you X enters the battlefield, Y" or a new keyword that makes clear it's only ever one instance. They've flirted with it kind of with stuff like Miracle (only the first card drawn on a given turn) or Epic (you do this big thing once and then the rest of the game can ONLY do it)
>>96848566>I only use preconsYes but you had decks! Can you post one please.
>>96848479Seems real good in Ghyrson as well
>>96846765>letting every colour do the same things is variety!it's LITERALLY homogenisation you retarded jewish fuck how the hell do people fail to understand something they've dedicated their whole lives to it's insane
>>96848583well, it is. so
>>96848629Name a color that can't spend 2 mana to kill a creature at instant speed.
>>96848641Blue, though they can bounce for 1.
>>96848641RedIts creature destruction affects are either limited to walls only or limited by toughness, it has no unconditional destroy/exile target creature effects.
>>96848641can't only white and black do that?
>>96846889No, they're fairly even
>>96848629>it's LITERALLY homogenisation you retarded jewish fuckhybrid mana cards are given a weaker power budget since they need to fully be 100% in both colors.It's not "homogenization" for both green and white to have Kitchen Finks you fuckhead. Gold cards with multiple separate colored mana requirements are given a higher power budget for the inverse reason. Everybody's favorite Siege Rhino can be a 4/5 with multiple upsides for 4 mana because it's only playable with the full Abzan mana available. Gold cards are intentionally meant to be HARDER to cast and given an INCREASE in power budget. Hybrid mana is intentionally meant to be EASIER to cast and is given a LOWER budget. >omg everyone's gonna play the same shitnigger shut the fuck up, WUBRG slop commanders can already play every single card in the entire game, and 4-color Partner decks can play 80% of them.Letting mono-white decks play Double Cleave and Kitchen Finks and Rhys the Redeemed is not what's gonna break the format. Bring back the old restriction on only generating mana of your commander's color while we're at it, that leaves hybrid mana unchanged and WOULD actually cut down on multicolored slop like kenrith
>>96848655blue can do it with pongify/rapid hybridisation/resculpt/reality shiftred and green can only do it with restrictions.>>96848661>hurr durr bad thing exist so why not more bad thing? by not killing yourself you implicitly agreed with bad thing!castrate yourself with rusty shears you gorilla nigger retard
>>96848636Realistically you'll take your free mull if you didn't have it in your opening hand, so your odds are actually 7.07% multiplied by the number of London Mulligans you take. However you're going to start running into the risk of pitching necessary cards after your free mulligan, so anything beyond your expected value of 0.14 starts to be a risk.To wit; you'll get your hand or on the mull roughly one in seven games; if you mulligan again after that, your rate improves to a little better than one in 5. It's never going to be consistent; if you're going to fish for leylines you probably ought to run more than one leyline.
>>96848661there are certain tells in this post that inform me that you're a new player and your opinion can be safely disregarded and thrown in the trash.all i'll say in response, and this isn't even a response to you, it's for the audience: WOTC is making this change so they can push overtuned hybrid cards in lorwyn eclipsed. that's it. "creativity in deckbuilding" is burying the lede, which is that it allows them to print powerful multicolored hybrid cards that can fit into more commander decks, which is the format they develop cards for primarily. prepare yourselves for a card like jeska's will in hybrid red/black or some shit.
>>96848665>>hurr durr bad thing exist so why not more bad thing?explain why akroma running double cleave is a bad thing without using buzzwords
Of course the faggot mage would be the only faggot to speak against Hybrid mana rule.At this point ill just do all the opposite he says
>>96848698>that inform me that you're a new player and your opinionincorrect, I've been playing since before hybrid mana existed with lorwyn/shadowmoor block which means I was literally THERE in 2008 when people were having this same fucking discussion for EDH (Commander did not even exist back then); and I have always been on the side of running shadowmoor/lorwyn hybrid mana cards in monocolor because that's literally what they fucking exist for. Sheldon telling everyone "No, it's too confusing for Magic players! We can't have White getting access to Debtor's Knell!" was retarded almost 20 years ago and it' retarded now. Rest in piss you dumb motherfucker
>>96847954Be a shame if she and azlack were out at the same time and some scions died...
>>96848072Zensunni tribal
>>96848704multicoloured cardboard in monocolour decks is visually ugly and ruins the purity of it. people who support the hybrid mana change worship ugliness, like all leftists.
>>96848723>multicoloured cardboard in monocolour decks is visually ugly and ruins the purity of itthere have been cards that make multicolored or different color cardboard for longer than you've probably been alive you stupid faggot. use an alter or proxy with changed borders if it bothers you so badly.do you also seethe about people playing artifacts in monocolor decks? how do you feel when someone has an old brown bordered artifact alongside silver ones?
>>96848661>>96848704>>96848712Hi wotc employee
>>96848072I want to run Bene Gesserit/Honored Maitre tribal with a tantric sex keyword that lets them tap to goad non-artifact creatures
>>96848712>with lorwynBut hybrid mana existed before lorwyn
>>96848712sure man yeah i believe you
>>96848736If I worked for WOTC I would make it so you can only generate mana of your commander's CMC (get fucked WUBRG slop) once more, and also ban every single Universe's Beyond card from the format (including Lord of the Rings, no exceptions faggots) The fact Mark Rosewater happens to be right on this issue, and that Sheldon was fucking retarded, is just the case of a broken clock being right twice a day.
>>96848730>bwuhh bwuhh bwuhhh why don't you worship ugliness like me?!11?!1Silence leftoid, keep your mental filth away from me. Coloured pips determine colour identity, the rule is simple and simplicity is beautiful.
>>96848756genuinely based post. according to the rules, hybrid mana cards count as both colors. My mono colored deck should not be able to have a multicolored card in it. it's as shrimple as that
>>96848756>Coloured pips determine colour identity,what color identity does this card have?
>>96848756>Coloured pips determine colour identity,but a hybrid color pip is OR, not ANDif you're playing white you can play a white OR green card, but not a white AND green card
>>96848719Hayt needs to be a fucking gamechanger
>>96848761You cant see the entire card anon so we cant see if that's all the pips. What kind of retard gotcha is this>>96848765>we see in logical notationAdurrrrdururrudurudurur fucking retarded. When determining color identity youre looking for the pips you can see. In a hybrid gruul card you can see a red and a blue pip.
>>96848765>OR OR AND AND OR AND OR ANDliterally nobody talked like this before that faggot gavin's livestream last week. Do you people ever think for yourselves or do you just float along the cultural seafoam
>>96848756Based
>>96848774>You cant see the entire card anon so we cant see if that's all the pips.you can see it's mana cost which is what determines its colors though
>>96848765No, it's AND when it comes to determining what colour a card is.Rhys the Redeemed is a White AND a Green card. It can be destroyed by both the Western and Eastern Paladins.
>>96848774Red and green or izzet instead
>>96848780Good thing color is not color identity. I repeat, what kind of retard gotcha is this?
>>96848788this kind
>>96848781sure, but that argument is irrelevant in relation to color identity.Kenrith is a mono-white permanent who cannot be destroyed by cards like Null Elemental Blast, but his "color identity" is WUBRG five color. Why is it okay that Kenrith can be a WUBRG mono-color permanent immune to multi-color hate, but not okay for a mono-white deck to run Rhys and just accept it dies to multi-color hate?if the people against allowing hybrid mana were also in favor of reversing the change to count all colored pips and NOT just CMC cost, I'd be at least sympathetic to their reasoning. But none of you are doing that. You're all okay with cards like kenrith being five-color slop despite LITERALLY being a mono-white creature, but are mad that someone wants to run Waves of Aggression in a deck with 40 plains playing pure mono-white. That's retarded and shows you're disingenuous.
>>96848780>you can see it's mana cost which is what determines its colors thoughlmfaosame guy who has been "playing since 2008" and "debated the color identity rules with sheldon" btw
>>96848788>color is not color identity.if color is not color identity, explain why it's bad for hybrid cards to have X or Y color identity while being multicolored?you've just admitted they're not the same....
>>96848796The point is to emphasize color=/= color identity.you fags are okay with mono-red spells generating hybrid blue/white cards under the current system, this outrage is purely performative
>>96848794Dogs have legs but not everything with legs is a dog.Everything that is multicoloured has a multicoloured identity, but not everything with a multicoloured identity is multicoloured.
>>96848797Color identity is determined by the visible pips. Hybrid has multiple visible pips. Not complicated.
>>96848801>Everything that is multicoloured has a multicoloured identity,This isn't true though. There's literally monocolored cards that count as multicolored that are even playable in commander, and there's colored cards that count as no-colored due to shit like Devoid.
>>96848803the hybrid mana symbol is explicitly one pip
>>96848813Devoid does not interact with color identity, you are dumb.
why are the defenders of the hybrid mana change the biggest faggots in the world? literally all of them. they feel so unbelievably strongly about it and they're so aggressive, it's very offputting. just based on how they argue, i feel like i'm arguing with UB fans again. they're probably the same people.
>>96848803>Color identity is determined by the visible pips. Hybrid has multiple visible pips. Not complicated.You're right, it's not complicated.....yet you are unable to differentiate between these two things despite them being different.
>>96848813Yes, COUNTS as multicoloured due to a special ability, but IS NOT multicoloured.And devoid is just another case of a thing which is not multicoloured having a multicoloured identity; another thing with legs that is not a dog.
>>96848799>zero replies to this postlmaoclassic /tg/
>>96848821i think you're trying to start a semantic argument and nitpicking word usage because instinctually you know that you'll get intellectually raped if the argument goes any deeper
>>96848822"color identity" counting all pips that appear on a card instead of just mana cost is a specific rules change; I don't think anyone who's okay with Bosh counting as a Red color identity commander and not Colorless but is seething about Hybrid mana has a leg to stand on. If you wanan OLD GOOD NEW BAD then let's go all the way back, not this half-assed shit you're trying to pull
there's ONE guy in here that LOVES to CAPITALIZE words in his POST for EMPHASIS and its SO obvious its HIM because he's REALLY fucking ANNOYING and somehow ALWAYS wrong
>>96848831You are definitely a leftist lmao
>>96848814I dunno maybe you need to get your eyes checked i can see two in them.>>96848821When it comes to color identity they are in fact not different.
>>96848827>instinctually you know that you'll get intellectually raped if the argument goes any deeperinstinctually I know that obviously hybrid mana and multicolored costs are not the same because I actually play real magic the gathering (draft and constructed) alongside EDH, so I've never once had an issue with believing hybrid mana fits into multicolored decks because that's literally its purpose for existing.
>>96848825nobody is replying to you because you're only interested in playing retarded gotcha games and not actually having a discussion. for some weird reason you've pinned your own self worth onto your stance on this hybrid mana issue and we can all tell that you're getting really worked up about it and honestly it's not very fun to participate in
I still haven't seen a compelling argument against changing the hybrid rule.
>>96848780Are you the same colossal dipshit that tried saying lands are colored? And was using Wash Out to bounce people's entire manabase?
>>96848832There definitely isn't one guy cause I do this but im not doing it currently. You need to get your test levels checked my friend.>>96848836>real magicCool so EDH isnt real magic and one of the ways it differs is color identity ^.^ its not very complicated. What kind of retadd would apply 60 card format rules to non magic EDH rules?
color identity literally only matters in commander so yes it actually does matter that the rule has been established in a certain way for a long time, and no amount of "let people enjoy things" posting from you retarded trannies will change that
>>96848842>muh purity>spirit of the formatAre the two, and only two. Fwiw I both completely agree and completely disagree with both sides, if that is allowed. I cannot care any less if the change happens or not
>>96848832YES that's ME what are you going to DO about it you colossal FAGGOT perhaps you will CRY some MORE?
>>96848848i'm in favor of allowing us to use pokemon cards in our decks. here are my arguments1. why do you care so much?2. this increases creativity in deckbuilding3. the original intent of the pokemon cards is to be used in a deck, which i am doing4. let people enjoy things5. who cares about the spirit of the format?
>>96848818
>>96848849just wanted to call attention to it so that you think about this post every single time you write a post with a capitalized word in it from now on:)
>>96848851Terrible bait. Apply yourself.
>>96848852*destroys your so-called red card*
>>96848815>Devoid does not interact with color identityExactly. A card literally having colored mana can be colorless on some cards. A card literally being monocolored doesn't interact with color identity depending on the abilities. why is this any different? do you want a new keyword or reminder text on every hybrid mana card saying "a hybrid mana card's color identity is either X or Y"? They've already made cards like that
>>96846537Is Codie fun?
>we should have this rule>UMMM WHAT ABOUT THIS 0.1% EDGE CASE SCENARIO WHERE YOUR GENERAL PRINCIPLE DOESN'T PERFECTLY APPLY? IT'D BE EASIER TO JUST HAVE NO RULES INSTEAD, HUH? YEAH. READ MARO'S BLOG
>>96848860You let it resolve? For shame, anon.
it's aesthetically unpleasing and thematically unsettling if some mono blue deck pulls an izzet hybrid card with a bunch of red lightning flying everywhere
>>96848862Because dogs have legs but not everything with legs is a dog.Everything that is multicoloured has a multicoloured identity, but not everything with a multicoloured identity is multicoloured.It's really not that complex, anon. In fact, it's simple. And simplicity is beautiful.
>>96848849You know we spend so much energy analyzing each others posting patterns and accusing peoole of samefagging.Maybe we should all use trips so we cam spend that time discussing edh
>>96848848the way I look at it, the change literally doesn't affect 5-color goodstuff shit, it has almost negative impact on 4-color decks and Partners, and it's a somewhat sizeable boost to mono-color decks, including the weakest mono-color options like White. I don't feel 1% as strongly about this as I do shit like Universes Beyond or them printing seven fucking sets a year though.
>>96848864>is codie fun?
>>96848872For many years I have said that all boards should have IDs.
>>96848873>I don't feel 1% as strongly about this as I do shit like Universes Beyond or them printing seven fucking sets a year though.Fucking preach, brother.
instead of being weasel-wording faggots back in 2011 they should have bit the bullet then and there
>>96848860*destroys your five-color commander* it's all arbitrary, anon
>>96848887>but my horse has legs, surely it's a dog?!!Nope.
>>96848870>Everything that is multicoloured has a multicoloured identity,except that's not true.....
>>96848892Felonius rage isn't multicoloured, anon. You can't counter it with null elemental blast.
>>96848893Correct, buy you CAN destroy the Detective with one....
>>96848882It was the correct decision then and it remains correct today, but I do see where you're coming from. Reminder text is not a part of the card and never has been, hybrid mana is
>>96848870Okay anon, as a compromise we'll just print a version of the Fallaji Wayfarer text onto every hybrid card so spergs like you can be reminded that its color identity when deckbuilding can be monocolored even if it's a two color card for other effects.
>>96848887is this gonna be the melty for today? i wasn't here earlier did we meet our daily quota with this one?
>>96848898when shit like this exists I can't be assed to care about monogreen decks running bogles
the reason why this hybrid mana change is divided along party lines again, like everything, is because it's primarily between:>men who uphold the law even when it doesn't benefit them>manchildren who think there should be no rules or restrictions or bedtimes
>>96848874I don't understand this reply...
>>96848904>>manchildren who think there should be no rules or restrictions or bedtimesI'm in favor of harsher restrictions, just not for hybrid mana. >no more "able to spend all mana to cast stolen spells" unless it's explicitly part of card text>color identity is determined purely by converted mana cost, not ability text>no universes beyond cards period, only in-universe magic >you can only generate mana of your commander's colors, all other mana you make otherwise becomes colorless the fact I agree with rosewater on this one issue doesn't mean I don't think he's a worthless shill the other 95% of the timeI'm also against sets being made explicitly for the format as well and commander-specific mechanics like eminence. Imagine if WOTC started printing a bunch of pushed commons that only came in $100 "PAUPER HORIZONS" boxes.
>>96848898Sorry kiddo, colour identity is determined by coloured pips. Doesn't matter what ability you give it, the pips of both colours are already on the card.
>>96848916>the pips of both colourswell, now you've circled back to the core of the issue. Side A says that a hybrid mana symbol is not a red and white symbol, it's red or white. Side B says that it's red and white. If you accept the former argument, the pips are not actually on the card.
>>96848920They are literally physically on the card, I can see them with my eyes. Denying the evidence of your eyes and ears in favour of individualist fantasy is complete trannycore.
>>96848921>They are literally physically on the card, I can see them with my eyes.A hybrid mana pip is on the card. That's not the same as a colored pip. You can't spend two kinds of mana for colored mana pips.
>>96848907it's just funny because the last 100 replies are all fighting and then there's you trying to start a different innocent conversation
>>96848921>There's orange on the card, this is exactly the same as yellow and red being on the card next to each other!
>>96848923The hybrid mana pip is literally physically red and white. I can see both the red and the white mana symbols in those pips. The spell it casts is both red and white, therefore these mana pips are also both red and white. This is all logically consistent, and only a leftist would try to argue against it.
>>96848818its because they personally annoy you and you have a negative theory of mind so you come up with bizarre rationalizations that dont really make sense even as you have come up with them
>>96848931>The hybrid mana pip is literally physically red and white. I can see both the red and the white mana symbols in those pipsThis also applies to Extort :^)
>>96848935Nope, reminder text. Sorry, but you lose there too :)
>>96848834>I dunno maybe you need to get your eyes checked i can see two in them.If you see two separate pips in a single pip then maybe you need the opthalmologist appointment.
>>96848931>. The spell it casts is both red and whitebut you can cast it using only red mana. and the color symbols exist to tell you what mana a spell can be cast with.it's almost like it's a hybrid.......
some autistic anon is going to CRY SO HARD in 2026 and I can't wait for the meltdown
when i talk to fans of the hybrid mana change, it feels like i'm back in high school talking to one of those "objective morality doesn't exist" nerds. you know what i mean? like in the sense that, they're probably right, and all of the logic points to them being right, but they're just so fucking annoying about it that you just don't want them to win. Like fuck you dude, objective morality DOES exist, and it's what feels right to me. That's where i'm at on hybrid mana. Sorry dude. It doesn't feel right for a card with red on it to fit into my monowhite deck>inb4 the biggest nerd in the whole fucking world replies with a monowhite card with red in the artwork
>>96848834>I dunno maybe you need to get your eyes checked i can see two in them.how many pips does this card have?
>>96848923>>96848928At least get your phone out so your messages aren't always >1min apart from one another, anonI demand higher quality trolling from my dancing monkey!
>>96848920if hybrid mana pips were x and y then you would need to pay 2 mana per hybrid pip - one of each color. but obviously this doesn't pass the sniff test. its ok to acknowledge sheldon fucked up some calls, god knows biorhythm didnt need to be a banned card.
>>96848941There's a line in Dune, at the beginning of one of the chapters, which goes: "Truth suffers from too much analysis."I think about that a LOT.
>>96848936Would you be okay with hybrid mana cards having their hybrid costs moved to reminder text but staying mechanically identical?serious question. If you're okay with hybrid symbols being in reminder text while gameplay wise they still cost hybrid mana, can we fix this issue for you by moving it to reminder text?
>>96848941objective morality doesn't exist; the best you can do are guidelines and you can't take away some appeal to appetites, not to mention stumbling blocks like the is-ought problembut i'm not going to be smug about it, because it's a shit truthit's like saying we all take a shit, is that something to be proud of?fucking redditors i swear>anyways, i'm whatever on hybrid, nothing to be crying over
>>96848941>>96848947except the "truth" is just a rule that existed when you were new to the game and didn't question things. objective morality exists but thats got nothing to do with this - man put this specific rule into place.
>>96848941I'm on the opposite end of the spectrum where I play more draft and constructed than edh, so it feels completely natural to consider a hybrid card as a natural fit in a monocolor deck and it's always annoyed me I need to be playing multiple mana types to play them when the reason they're good in formats like limited is flexibility
>>96848948No, because you'd have to come up with a new keyword for each combination and that would just be retarded overcomplication for the sake of pushing through a change that doesn't need to happen anyway. I am opposed to bad design decisions, not just this specific bad design decision. Hope that clears things up for you.
>>96848955Especially since EDH is the premiere format for reusing draft chaff. It's well within the spirit of the format as it was conceived instead of the ghoulish effigy it's become since 2019 or whatever
>>96848957You wouldn't, it would just be printed as a token or something like how the Monarch or City's Blessing has an indicator card
>>96848955How much did WorC pay you
>>96848960Reminder text is for keywords. If you want to put a hundred different hybrid casting costs in reminder text, you need a hundred different keywords.
>>96848965lol as if wotc give a fuck about limited players in 2025spiderman as a standard set basically killed the entire format, nobody wants to draft fucking spiderman
>>96848969my LGS is still drafting Tarkir every friday
>>96848967You just need a keyword for "This card can be cast with either mana type, choose only one for color identity in deckbuilding" and print that onto existing hybrid cards
>>96848976>my LGS is still drafting Tarkir every fridaybased
>>96848967>reminder text is for keywordsIncorrect. Reminder text commonly follows a keyword but can be used to remind players of any ability which may be confusing or counterintuitive; the most notable example of this is the enchantment Reconnaissance.
>>96848978Either of what mana type though? You still need a keyword for each and every potential hybrid mana combination. What do you think the keyword for 3cmc izzet/azorius/selesnya should be?
>>96848967>>96848982yeah they even did reminder text like pic related for the Omo precon to explain to new players how her ability works with urza lands.
>>96848991you don't thoughsee >>96848991there's no keyword for how urza lands work
>>96848989You don't need a keyword for reminder text, retard. >207.2a Reminder text is italicized text within parentheses that summarizes a rule that applies to that card. It usually appears on the same line as the ability it’s relevant to, but it may appear on its own line if it applies to an aspect of the card other than an ability.
>>96848479the realest nigga in every single deck that is red or blue
>>96848937I mean if you couldnt see both a red and a blue, or whatever the combo is, you wouldn't be able to cast them the way you want dingus. Either the red pip is there signifying you can pay red mana or its not. And if its there, then its contributing to identity.
>>96846765>>96846870I know exactly why he's all for it.Notice a very common theme with picrel and its kin? He wants this shit to be expanded upon everywhere. From Grixis to Naya.Prepare yourselves.
>>96848941>concern trolling that pro-hybrid-change “people” are right and not just contrarian shitposters
>>96849035The fact that there are two colors in it doesn't make it two pips
>>96849040It has... TWO colours, you say? Not one? It's a... multicoloured card?
>>96848873How does it affect monocolor decks anon? Oh right, by making them not fucking monocolored anymore
>>96849047>It's a... multicoloured card?nobody has ever denied they're multicolored. color and color identity are completely different things
>>96849047Color != Color Identity, thanks for playing
>>96849040I see two pips and I see a dual color identity.
>>96846765MaRo is fascinating to me because he seems obsessed with Magic being his legacy, but at the same time shows no interest in preserving it and wants to change what Magic is.Influencers are way too nice about him, I suspect if you have to work with him he’s a little tyrant
>>96848723>>96848833>>96848931for a retard that hates leftists you sure are defending gender identity>oops i mean color identity!!really really hard lol
>>96846765>be in complete control of deck diversity and monocolor power>could at any time choose to print cards that advance your proclaimed goals>just change the rules instead
>>96849072Interesting attempt, but not good enough
>>96846774>>96846870no-one cares about flavor since universes beyond became a thing. it's all just game mechanics and people would keep playing even if all cards lost all art and changed names to a string of numbers and they would be HAPPY
>>96848646Pongify.
>>96849077hybrid cards now identify as mono color sexual
>>96848151they gotta try and influence the predh format somehow. if they can't print cards to it they might as well try to ruin it with rules changes
>>96849075>>could at any time choose to print cards that advance your proclaimed goals"if your devotion to white is at least ten, the other players need to give you a blowjob or draw 10 cards" would help but they seem to hate devotion
>>96846765finally, I can built a deck with 4 commanders
>>96849075~below average cmc~Legendary Enchantment~pushed shit~WOTC please save monocolor (you can have a legendary creature that's exactly one color as a second commander)¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>96849103A Companion with "if every permanent in your deck is monocolored, X/Y/Z" would have been a little on the nose but they've already printed shit like Eminence so fuck it. >If every creature card in your deck is monocolored and depicts a conventionally attractive woman, creature spells you play cost (2) less to cast fund it, make waifu tribal competitive
>>96848925I just want to talk about edh ;_;
>>96849103making companions for existing legends
>>96849129would be a nice edh spin on the legendary sorcery thing back in dominaria
>>96849136legendary sorceries should get an errata/mechanics change to just... not be retarded
>>96849123Companion is already kept more in check than a partner would be by it's once per game nature so it may honestly not be so bad. I feel like they struck a good balance with Backgrounds that one set. A secondary commander that's actually a buff to your actual commander and that the backgrounds and commanders that can have a background were mono color. I could maybe see them trying to work in a background but for mono color commanders only system.
Guild Receptionist 2Legendary Enchantment - BackgroundBefore the game begins, choose two colors. This enchantment is those colors.Commander creatures you own have "whenever this enters the battlefield or attacks, scry 1"
Final Fantasy and Lord of the Rings are Universes Beyond DONE RIGHT
>>96849169here's your (you)
>>96849169You forgot Baldurs Gate, Dr. Who and DND
>>96849216D&S is in a separate category from even lotr or ff in that it's literally a wizards of the coast IP. If they want to reprint all those cards at any time they can just do it, there's no licensing deals or anything, and crossover between the two has been a thing for a really long time; a forgotten realms magic set is the same as the Theros D&D campaign setting they released years ago.
>>96849169Only if they unfuck my boi Smaug and give him good token art
>>968467651) objectively true2) objectively true3) ermmm ok4) ok so extra attack phase in huwhite, sure5) bro companions were a huge design mistake and should be banned across all formats6) so basically fuck color identity. Ok lmao
>>96849231>4) ok so extra attack phase in huwhite, sureThere's actually already a Bant extra attack phase card that only has it because of the White identity as well https://gatherer.wizards.com/ARB/en-us/126/finest-hour
aight, since the whining of hybrid fags suddenly seemed to get their way. what ELSE can we start yelling about on repeat until wotc caves in and makes it a thing? bonus points if it kills the game subtlyI'll get the obvious out of the way30 starting life over 40all palneswalkers can be commandersa working sideboard for wishes
>>96849258rework the banlist now that Sheldon's dead and his personal autism can't keep harmless shit like Biorhythm out.
>>96848550yugioh also works like that, changing the zone resets a card, but effects that say "you can use this effect of [cardname] once per turn/duel" apply to all cards with that name. otherwise it would say "this card". i guess mtg could already make something like that by writing "this ability of any card named [cardname] can resolve only once per game".
ban every card and whitelist them back in starting without island
How many decks should i run in a landfall deck that also has some land recursion?
>>96849449How many lands***
>>96849449Keep it around 50 and make sure you have every sac and fetch land you can fit in there.
>>96848941I've never met someone who argued that "objective morality doesn't exist" who also wasn't a weak selfish degenerate with nothing going on in their lives. It's the same with the pro-hybrid people, who are no different from the people who supported UB when it first started dropping. We can't fight the rising tide of retardation but we don't need to pretend like the retards aren't retarded.
>>96849490The elites who hate you and want you to be their slave also doesn't believe in objective morality, you fucking idiot. Even if it did exist, those more powerful and hate you don't follow it, so why shouldn't you, especially in defense for you life, your liberty? Anything else is pathetic weakness.
Reminder the Hybrid rule change is due to MaRo and co finally acknowledging after decades that the color pie is a mess and always has been and that colors shouldn't be locked out of basic game mechanics like draw ramp counterspelling etc and they're tired of Band-Aiding the problem with 3 color/WURBG commanders and now want to make more fundamental mechanics available to more colors. The Hybrid rule will change and there'll be some gnashing of the teeth but nerds will eventually accept it and in 2+ years once the concept of every color having access to essential gameplay mechanics has been accept they'll start to create monocolored cards that allow each color efficient ramp draw counterspelling etc.
>>96849509This is true only of western elites, who are currently losing to their morally superior Eastern rivals.
>>96849511>magic is going to get worse and lose and and all identitythank you, divinationbro
>>96849513The ones in the east don't have objective morals either, they just believe in the will and power of the state, to the point of, once again, disregarding morality. Or are you really going to argue that the average China-man is in fact, moral?
>>96849513Nta, chinese elites are secular post-marxists, they don't believe in objective morality either.The concept only makes sense if you're religious.
Powercreep: The Card
>>96849511rather than this schizophrenia, it's public knowledge that the actual changes are due to 1: return to Lorwyn is happening, which is a plane that heavily features hybrid mana. Now that Standard is dead, Modern kinds sucks, and EDH is the most popular paper format, they want these hybrid cards usable in their most popular format 2: long before EDH was the most popular format, back when it wasn't even officially supported by WOTC, people on the design team personally thought the unofficial edh rules committee's ruling on it was dumb and have wanted to change it. A card that costs GGWW is given a much higher power budget for being multi-colored, is allowed to have higher base power and toughness, and can access more effects and parts of the color pie than a card that costs just 3W or 3G. A hybrid card costing W/G W/G W/G W/G is not given a higher power budget, better base stats, or a larger slice of the color pie, and in fact is given a weaker budget to make up for the fact it's more flexible to cast. So seeing WWGG and W/G W/G W/G treated exactly the same by the EDH rules committee, to the point there's almost never reason to play the vast majority of hybrid cards because multicolored ones are simply better, triggered the autism of Rosewater and other people on the design team who didn't like that hybrid mana made things easier to cast in exchange for being weaker in every single other format but got treated exactly like gold cards in edh. Side note to your schizo theory, every color has already been able to access ang effect that they want regardless of color pie; Artifacts have existed since the game's inception and Eldrazi as dedicated "colorless matters" cards and spells have further cemented that position. Colorless mana can do LITERALLY anything it wants, even things that actual slices of the color pie are horrible at (lol lmao enchantment removal in red vs enchantment removal in eldrazi decks)
>>96849568It really is ridiculous how much this creature does for 4 mana.
>>96849604I think the theory is being a creature means it's easier to remove so you can give it a big effect, since if it was a 4 mana enchantment it'd be harder to remove, but being a 2/4 blocker is still good and lots of premium removal these days can hit multiple permanent types and he's still a body for various effects that care about creature count so ehh
>>96846765Another step closer to UWH! Now with Crypt, Dockside, and no stupid fucking Hybrid rule.
>>96846537>Should basic lands be free?They are at any shop I have been to. I feel sorry for this general that apparently all your LGS' are charging 25 centers or some shit for basics? I'd just steal em.Do you also pay for your basics at draft/sealed?
>>96849568ramunap excavator bros...
>>96849568Not worth the cost. And I don't feel a need to proxy it>4 manaAlso iffy.
Are any of the sony commanders even worth getting? They all seem really boring except maybe Dad and Son combo, maybe
>>96849731My LGS has a giant box of basics you can take from, as long as you're not being a dick and stealing the entire box. Full art and foil basics cost money though.
>>96849826which makes sense
>>96849568yeah, the moment this hits the field it's too late. counter on sight is really becoming a thing
>>96849797I like the mono red kratos i think he could be a fun bracket 2 commander
>>96849932Seems one dimensional and very "You win very fast or do nothing." Which means everyone hates you or you don't have fun
>>96849742>muh not worth the cost>in colors that practically slashes any mana costs in half by having the best and most consistent ramp>it can discount its own cost by 25% immediatly by hitting your second land >has a textbox seen only on 3 separate cretures beforejust say right away you dont play the game and/or are just an absolute shitter
>>96849967>costs more than other mana doublers>mill aspect isn't useful and a detrimentI'm not running this shit in my landfall deck. Get over it. If you want an actual powerful land based creature from recent times: Traveling Chocobo.>BUT ANON YOU CAN MAKE EXTRA LAND DROPS AND PLAY CARDS FROM YOUR GRAVEYARDI already could. On cards that don't cost 4 mana.
>>96849977yeah, just the average drooling landfalltard
>>96849568>Like 13 dollarsClearly not that strong.
>>96849977>calls it a "mana doubler" >not running both the Tiller and Choconever gonna make it
>>96849977He combines the effects of multiple 3 mana cards, that's absolutely worth a single mana extra.The mill also is great because it gives you more lands to recur, which good landfall decks want to do anyway.
>>96849992For a rare from a set that just came out that's pretty high.
>>96850014Not really.
>>96849216I don't like those IPs. LOTR and FF I like.
>>96850018Kinda is. Only times new rares immediately go much higher is if they're universal staples instead of only serving one casual archetype
>brew deck>realize I misread the commander>have to redo the entire deck
>>96849570>IT IS BECAUSE LORWYNK then why did they wait until the last minute to do the change?
>>96848484Its much closer to showing up to a cheap golf course with a caddy, a range finder and getting mad that the 4 sum behind you is teeing off like happy gilmore. Then going online and complaining about how bad their form is.
>>96848484Expect no logic from bracket fags>>96850062I would get mad in this situation if it is fully within the rules set for that cheap golf course.
>>96848566>People don't know how cards workHow many different pods have you played in, this is a pretty extreme outlier. Frankly it sounds like bullshit
>>96850117NTA but it is extremely common in my experience. I've had to yell at people to do shit clearly printed on their card because they don't understand it after 5 explanations.
What's that one Commander you want to build but just can't seem to do it or keep a cohesive idea?
>>96850139The deck does nothing if she gets removed. It is so dependent on her that it just isn't worth it even though she is interesting.
>>96850125>I've had to yell at people to do shit clearly printed on their card because they don't understand it after 5 explanationsGotta love those precon tourists, anon. It's even wilder when you find out someone has put all the sample booster cards into the 99 deck that comes in the package.Player was able to play mono white card with Fellwar Stone, but precon face commander's color profile was Gruul.
>>96848712Wew
>>96848775That's actually not true. Not that you are wrong for opposing it.
>>96849081Color identity has as much to do with crunch as it does fluff
>>96850139There's so much I could do with her, and she has so many things I want all in one. >Artifact>All the colors I like >ETB Effect (one of my favorite types of trigger)>Makes Artifact tokens>Is a sac outlet>has burn, removal, and lifegain all attached for offense, control, and defense>survives boltGiven the sheer quantity of colors, despite her seemingly very focused but high reward design, I feel like there's so MANY things I want to do or could do and it never feels like 100 cards will ever be enough to do it justice. It feels like the ultimate culmination of the old 60 card deck I used to run back in high school with Master Transmuter, Platinum Angel, and Darksteel Forge with Mirrorworks so I could copy all of my cool artifacts. I'm torn between wanting to go higher power, or if I want to commit to the token bit and just make a billion thopters/karnstructs and just turn them sideways with awesome keyword providers like Depthshaker Titan, Cybermen Squadron, Cyberdrive Awakener, Skorpekh Lord, etc. She's a matter of wanting my cake and wanting to eat it too, as she can be all of the things I want but not cohesively at once.
>>96850125Its pretty obvious when players are extremely new. If anon is raging at that, he has bigger problems than players not knowing their cards
>>96850220You just want to blame him regardless of if he is right. Because he is here and the other people aren't. And you just want to be a prick.
>>96850139was my would-be first 4 color deck and it just felt awful to build. these are so much clunkier to build than just a 5 cmc deck.i settled for a Naya Aggro deck
>>96849511Genuinely retarded. Color identity has very little to do with the color pie.
ALL 1 COLOR LEGENDARIES HAVE PARTNERThere, just made the game 1000x better increased deck diversity and kept all the core rules the same.
>>96850246Mono red goblin decks eating good.
>>96849231>4)They are debating whether to keep it in white or move it to blue since they don't want to print anymore extra turns card in standard so blue needs a flashy substitute.
So I'm building a Lightning deck so she can just go around bonking people with a dozen swords. I've got the full rotation of Sword of X and Y in the deck, as well as Nazahn and Stoneforge Mystic. Are there any other "must have" cards I should be looking for? I was planning to fill the rest of the deck with double strike and extra combats stuff.
>>96849511Hybrid cards have to adhere to more restrictive color.All blue hybrid draw cards have to adhere to it's other color's draw style.
>>96850365Lol. Lmao
>>96850373mono blue lifegain bros let's GO
>>96850373It's one of the 7% hybrid color pie breaks. There are more mono color pie breaks and as they print more hybrid cards the percentage will decrease.
>>96850373Another color pie break it should be mono blue not reprinted.
>>96849568Effortless wincon in landfall. As soon as he hits the board with my green queen deck if no one removes it people usually scoop.
>>96850391>arguing on the marginsDrop it jew. Hybrid mana should never violate color identity rules. Edh isn't a melting pot and your homogenization campaign ends today.
>>96850411Really poor attempt. Seattle should pay you guys more.
>>96850340Puresteel Paladin and Cloud of course
>>96850420I was also replying to someone arguing on the margins.
>>96850391Is this card supposed to be a pie break?
>>96849216Dr who is only enjoyed by pedophiles
>>96850430Got both already. This entire deck will probably get wrecked by aggressive counterspells, but I still want to have some fun (or try to).
Precons with hybrid mana cards inside are already designed and are currently being printed.Stop discussing it.
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>>96850452Nope. You made an absolute assertion and I proved you wrong. I could give less than a quantum of a fuck about percentages. Color identity should not be violated full stop.
>>96850534he cute
>>96848818>why are the defenders of the hybrid mana change the biggest faggots in the world? literally all of them. they feel so unbelievably strongly about itProjecting.Multiple pro-hybrid change posters say its ultimately a small deal and moreorless a nothingburger. Its only (you) who thinks that the MaRo is literally raping the format with this change.
>>96850534Worse Abdel
>>96850534>read the first ability as "you can have 20 more cards than max amount">immediately thought this would solve my cutting autismFUCK
>>96850213You are such a massive, histrionic faggot. It's a card in a card game, just build a deck and change it over time if it isn't working/suited to you.
>>96850566Yeah but I'm a big gay faggot retard monoblue player
Soon I'll be able to run sunspider in my lightpaws deck and there's nothing (you) can do about it
>>96848652Wild Magic Surge
>>96850557The same logic as trannyism unironically.
>>96850577Just play mono U Abdel
>>96850645> acshually youre a troonI accept your concession
>>96850557It is changing a very big rule so it is definitely messing with the format. Any other view is dishonest. Approaching it from a broken or not perspective is wrong. Is the core rule of color identity one worth keeping or not is the discussion needs be happening that isnt
>>96850655I'm trying very hard to make thassa good
>>96850656You're literally a troon
>>96850688He is right. You have conceded.
>>96850661>It is changing a very big rulewhere were you when Sen Triplets broke the format?
>>96850661The color is on the card
>>96850720You conceded when you apologized for the hybrid(tranny) rules change
>>96848711Honestly the whole polycule kinda has issues>Trinket MageDoesn't really understand a lot of core concepts for someone that allegedly idolizes 60-card play. Gives advice that will probably turn you into "that guy" and get you kicked out of your playgroup, because ironically for a control player, he lacks understanding of play patterns and resources. Argues that hand control is a healthier play pattern than spot removing enchantments (ask anyone that gets their hand discarded and it will be a very different story). Thinks the only way to stop a green deck is playing 3v1 against them. Also very autistic.Biggest self-report: Joined table labeled "no infinites" then unironically tried to argue infinitely looping Mindslaver was not an infinite:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvf-pXrSu9s&t=647s>SnailGenuinely doesn't understand a lot of play patterns and why people aren't impressed when your "combo" is "commander + 1 card". Very emblematic of what happens when you let a completely inexperienced player make a deck budgetless before they learn social etiquette, which is to say, their deck is mostly tutors for a wincon and a bunch of random bombs that don't synergize with the deck at all.Biggest self-report: Archeloshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_Z7IuZQqQI>ElkGenuinely does not understand that a low-power deck can not consistently beat a high-power deck. Argued that a deck heavy in stax and removal in B2 can regularly beat a B4 deck while still being fair in B2/B3, which simply isn't true. The amount of resources you need to generate to outclass a deck with access to literally the best cards in the format is far higher than what a B2 deck is capable of, even if you're playing stax. These stax pieces are also absolutely not something B2 doesn't feel. They turn the game into a miserable slog in the name of "punching up" and end most games with a lock.Biggest self-report: Saying punch-up decks are possible.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dE3Ds7dBBpc
>>96850734>the hybrid(tranny) rules change>the sanctity of gender identity... w8 i mean color identity!!... must be preservedyou're still going and it's hilarious
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>>96850747>gender identitynot a real thing but ok
>>96850756>not a real thingneither was the sanctity of color identity retard
>>96850727What does that have to do with anything here?
>>96850881holy newfag
>>96850458It's lifegain in blue which it shouldn't normally get.
>>96850340Lightning Bolt (and Lightning Helix i guess), because even if you kill someone with a 3x2x2x2x2x2 Lightning Bolt, motherfucker still died to Lightning Bolt.
>>96850557if it's such a small deal then might as well not fuck with it since it doesn't affect anyone. this way they can keep printing hybrid cards without thinking about commander ^.^
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>>96850747color identity is also fake there are only two sexesthere are only five colorshybrid cards are futanari
>>96853011hybrid cards are hot bi women
>>96847954Gray merchant. I've had several iterations of Meren throughout the years and actually recently just rebuilt her with a Protean Hulk line since her wins arepretty much the same every game anyways. I think one of Meren's strength is her consistency and lack of variance between games. I pull out Meren when I want that lack of variance. Maybe try
>>96846678who is that legally aged loli?how do I build an EDH inspired in her funny cuteness?
