ACPA Edition>Cyberpunk 2020 vs. Cyberpunk RED?Cyberpunk 2020 is the second edition of the Cyberpunk TTRPG that focuses on simulation gameplay and has a black trenchcoat aesthetic.Cyberpunk RED is the fourth edition of the Cyberpunk TTRPG that is set after Cyberpunk 2020 following the Fourth Corporate War, focuses on more balanced gameplay and is more streamlined but has less content.>Cyberpunk Rulesets (The Vault) (May not have all updated rulebooks, check official sources for updates):bit<dot>ly/2Y1w4Md>Resources for RED:https://datapool2045.net/>RED free-DLC and extra content:https://rtalsoriangames.com/downloads/>RED Easy Mode is available for FREE:https://rtalsoriangames.com/cyberpunk/>Errata Pages:https://rtalsoriangames.com/errata/>Character Sheets:https://rtalsoriangames.com/downloads/>Previous Thread:>>96646182>Thread Question:What's the highest tech you've ever got a hold of in a game?
Going into the zone to steal a PDF of an old prototype MiliTech Air Fryer
>There is no way it is even slightly worth paying 18 of your frankly limited pickup skills just to get Russian language or AV tech at +6I agree, it somewhat makes sense to tax difficult skills at chargen, but 2020 is so stingy with points, it's just shitty.
It's literally just a pistol with some extras on it how is it not concealable? Literally the only smg you cannot stuff under a long coat it's such bullshit I hate israel
>>96855090Because it has a heckin grenade launcher and extended mag. Giving it concealability would make it too overpowered!But seriously I don't get concealability mechanics in both 2020 and Red. You've already got conceal/reveal as a skill, why not just give compact weapons a bonus to that and stop being so arbitrary and granular about it?
>>96856591I don't know how autistic they are about it in 2020, but in RED concealability is one of the most interesting tools a Ref has. It creates multiple lanes on equipment based on the environment you're in and how you navigate these challenges can be an interesting complication or even scenario on its own.Realistically there are actually three kinds of personal concealability: Things you can't hide on your person, things you can't, and things that you shouldn't be able to but manage anyways. Not being able to take a full sized assault rifle or a tsunami arms helix into somewhere and then having to make do with what you can stuff in your jacket or bag. Things like the Towa Pocket Launcher provide interesting solutions to that problem (and interesting challenges, because the rockets themselves don't fold down). Techs being able to make equipment fold down or things like cyberware that let you hide gear without a check similarly round out the space.NPC behavior should generally be based on appearance and what they can see you packing is a big factor into that. Applying interesting world dynamics makes the setting similarly more interesting to interact with.
>>96854272I'm recently new to cyberpunk red as a GM, i've played dnd before but none of my player have played any TTRPG before.I really want to get them interested in cyberpunk red, what's a good way to get them involved?also does anyone have any advice on making a story or a cool one shot that's interesting and not that boring?everything i seem to think of is kinda average. So far, i've done one one shot about rescuing an arasaka VIP from a gangI've written a second one shot that's a heist from the police evidence locker that has 400kg of cocaine in it.
>>96856722Molre often than not, I see Referees forget and so not realise the players are packing armour and big guns until they are partway through a shootout.Not helped by the book being vague on what rarity actually means in game for aquiring and being caught with weapons.At least Shadowrun had a Legal Rating.Night City swings between a world where everyone has AP-rounds and Ronin-Assault Rifles.And one where a large pistol is the highest form of combat between people in leather jackets and Armourjackets at best.
>get group finally out of dnd to play cyberpunk>they keep trying to fight the top dogs instead of people on their same leveli see
>>96854846I never applied the improvement point multiplier because it makes no sense that muay thair is more difficult to learn than karate.
What is a daytimer chip?
>>96859651Lean into it, have people call them out for their balls, let them die in a glorious fireworks display. If this becomes a repeating pattern you are playing peak cyberpunk.
>>96861779isnt there a difference between being retarded and suicidal, and being ballsy though
>>96862330>One is retardedly suicidal>The other is suicidally retarded. >*Cut to a few scenes of one liners and explosions as they rip through night city in a classic sports car with neither seatbelts nor air bags*Sounds like we have a good buddy criminal show on our hands.
>>96862330Normally yes but in cyberpunk no. Raging against the machine and being squashed is the most pop cultural relevant thing to cyberpunk in this era. As long as you are making sure the "top dogs" are actually top dog, and the players welcome the challenge, then there's no issue. But a large corporation fields armies, and armoured vehicles impenetrable to small arms, and will arrest you and execute you on trumped up charges. If you are putting that in front of them, you make good on the threat and give them a VTOL with rocketpods to contend with. If, however, you are putting big fat villains in front of them, and not corporations. Then you have a more nuanced problem that's also good. Play into retaliations, branching consequences, and reward them with attention for being ballsy. Being the biggest dick is what cyberpunk is about, and it's fun to play. This all hinges on the players actually accepting death, if they want to take on Arasaka because they saw it on TV, and will be mad if they die in the attempt; then you need to talk to them and tell them this is not that kind of game. But if they're happy to die and want to get back at the local fat cat who disrespected them? Then there's no issue, ride the edge.It's easy to get caught up in the idea that cyberpunk is about being street trash, but it's really about ramping a motorcycle into a helicopter. Remember that the kind of person who becomes a runner is someone who has bought into the idea that life is so cheap, it is worth risking it in pursuit of becoming middle-class.
>>96861350Its an internal scheduling computer
>Pit Viper ACPA (No Helmet) (Autodoc is full of morphine)>HK MP-2013 (With M203 Grenade Launcher)>Crowbar (Club; Free)Yep, it's cyberpunk time
>check october dlc>its vidya gaems instead of something for halloween>if you want something for halloween, check the other tabletop systemhttps://rtalsoriangames.com/2025/10/29/cyberpunk-red-october-2025-dlc-release-segotari-power-your-official-source/
>>96867817"James Hutt had to be held back in this one, as the original planned size of this DLC dwarfed the others in scope!">more elfinesgrim
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>>96867817The halloween mission by both Pondsmiths kids is more cyberpunk orientated with some changes than the fucking video games dlc by James.
>>96867817>>96867850>>96867881Wow, this was a truly scary Halloween post. It sent shivers down my spine! Great trick! But now we get a treat in form of the real DLC, right?>It is the time of year for this joke again
>Pondsmith still working on Blackhand's metaplot, we haven't got a single sourcebook related to that>2077's sourcebook is gonna be ANOTHER FUCKING ADVENTURE BOOK, instead of a proper supplement>Rusted Chrome delayed until the End Times>RED's release schedule is glaciar-paced compared to OG 2020, despite the fact that 90s RTalsorian had fewer resources compared to post-CDPR RTalsorian>A sea of starving artists with good skills, RTas keeps hiring faggots with not even a shitty deviant-art page to their name>MORE FUCKING ELFLINES SHITJames Hutt, I know you lurk hereYOU'RE A FUCKING FAGGOT! RED could very well be more successful than any other release by RTas, but you keep shooting this damn game line in the foot with useless shilt like this. And fuck your spreadsheet "game balance"
>>96869155>2077's sourcebook is gonna be ANOTHER FUCKING ADVENTURE BOOK, instead of a proper supplementWhen and where did they say this?
>>96869155Sounds rough man
>>96854272God damn I love ACPA in cyberpunk, it's like rolling up to a knife fight but you brought Godzilla. Whoever did that homebrew for Red, I live in Nevada dude, if I ever get the chance I'll buy you a whore, we have those here.
>>96867817holy shit mike please slap the faggot james on the face>>96869155>>A sea of starving artists with good skills, RTas keeps hiring faggots with not even a shitty deviant-art page to their namethe pondsmith daughter can draw well if you check the halloween mission on the same page so im not sure why they keep hiring absolute shit instead their own staff member or the one who did the dickgirl in the hello kitty dlc if they dont want the realistic style
>>96867817Man this year we really got just the solo play book and an interface paid DLC. I think our only reasonable hope is for Solo of Fortune 2045 maybe before year end. That seems like a low bar. >>96869155I don't have exact numbers but over 40% of 2020 content was officially licensed 3rd party stuff. Just imagine they could get Paid (free revenue) to let other people make content, please fans and generate interest. But then we wouldn't get lesbian grandmas like in the sasquatch adventure we might get good storytelling.
>>96869983>But then we wouldn't get lesbian grandmas like in the sasquatch adventurewat
>>96869163At Gen Conhttps://rtalsoriangames.com/2025/07/31/gen-con-2025-cyberpunk-red-2077-announcements/
>>96869155>>96869253Someone wished upon a shooting star for cyberpunk to have a new edition, and the monkey paw curled. The next 2 years are looking grim, samurais.
>>96870271Goddamit
>>96870271Well, at least there will be proper rules. On an unrelated note, I suppose we can give up on a 2025 release for NC45, right?
whats the ratio of gameplay to roleplay in red or 2020?
>>96870930What kind of question is that? You control the horizontal, you control the vertical. If you want to play Cabin Fever and touch dice once every three hours, do so. If you want to throw Maximum Metal statblocks at each other for a while, do so.
>>96871098Yup. Anon's question is senseless. Which probably answers it.
Q&A livestream with Mike.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_HsIlaqMkc
