Multiple traitors Edition>Previous Heresy:>>96857967>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread question:At what point has spite gone too far?
ligma builder in OP, can't believe it finally happened
>>96869294>At what point has spite gone too far?No such thing.
Have anons been playing 3.0? I peak in here from time to time but I can never follow your convos to tell.
>>96869371no too much vanguard scoring hundreds of points from tactical spammers. plus bikes can't even score
You are a SDS designer. You have been charged with making a new edition in 3 years for HH. What are your plans for making a beloved edition of HH?
>>96869426Kill myself
>>96869371Yes, way better than 2.0. There’s so many fucking people talking out their ass about it that it’s hard to even appear to have a consensus just like 2.0 though
>>96869403wait were anons right with infantry spam being a thing? I guess anyone could tell bikes were going to be shit from the get go tho.
>>96869371I'm having fun
>>96869426I scribble some changes on the current edition and then jerk off for three years.
>get sucked into a learning game because the one who was supposed to teach the new guy flaked>just had my mech on me>new guy wants to do 1000 pts>his army is just a praetor, 5 varagyr in a land raider and 10 grey slayers in a rhino>I have 14 thallax, 2 vultarax, and a couple of kitted out magi for points>my vultarax just immediately give his land raider 3 statuses >he has to walk his terminators across the table>they only get into combat bc I kinda felt bad and moved my thallax forward>he's lost 3 of the 5 before he makes a charge>he challenges my archmagos with his praetor to learn challenges>doesn't read any of the gambits, just picks the SW one even though I tell him there are better options>he whiffs all his attacks>my archmagos has a chainfist and pastes him>his remaining varagyr also whiff against my thallax of all things>somehow 7 thallax punch out a terminator>opponent is getting visibly flustered as the other thallax and vultarax murder his grey slayersI think I've turned off another person off 3rd
>>96869514>plays 1000pts>takes a deathstar in a battlebuswhat was he expecting?
>>96869444Surprised one of the Emperor's Children engages in something as mundane as magos tipping.
>>96869192I thought Vulkan was the tallest primarch
>>96869371Never got the chance, all the groups within easy travel of me have either collapsed and vanished, stuck with 2.0, or are trying to go back to 1.0. Also don't really have any desire to - if I look at a plate and see a big stinking turd, I don't need to sample the shit to know I won't enjoy eating it.
Where the FUCK is the AT posting
>>96869716Maybe you should play it and post games
>drilling barrels on Mk2 tacticals>forget that their boltguns also have some smaller holes on themFuck, what drill bit size do I need? The smallest pin vise I can buy locally only fits 0.6mm at smallest, as well.
>>96869842No Anon, you're not supposed to drill in the holes on the barrel shroud, don't be retarded
>>96869438Tacticals are really good generally but are a noob trap that players who know how to pilot vanguard units can eat up. Despoilers stink but some legions like wb buff them enough to be worth it, inductii depends entirely on the legion some are great, some are sidegrades of existing units
>>96869855Citadel seems adamant on it, but it's the same company who also doesn't drill on occasion.
>>96869430I also choose killing this guy>>96869426I'll kill all of you
>>96869884>Despoilers stinkDespoilers can teleport in, steal an objective with Interdiction Cadres and even Charge and completely block off the shooting and charge benefits for an enemy unit. Tacticals can do it too but you'd only ever do that to shit them onto the objective right before the other guy gets fully into range.
>>96869904why do chain bayonets look like this man
>>96869294>At what point has spite gone too far?By eastern europe and asian proverbs, such a point does not exist. At least not for humans. >>96869426Bikes and jetbikes do ap3 hits on charge. ap2 if they moved max. They get a +4 jinx save (not cover) all the time, if they moved regular speed +3 and +2 jinx for going full out. Land speeders other then the Proteus also get that rule. lances if used mounted gain +1AP and +2STR. RETURN TO THE NAME STATES HAD FOR 40 YEARS. fuck those AM, IM, SM etc
>>96869433The terrain, LoS and movment rules disqualify 3.0 from being better then 2.0. Not saying that 2.0 was perfect, but 3.0 is an abomination.
A couple more dudes are picking up 30k at my local I might actually be able to get a game in before the year ends
>>96870094I can't tell if this is Polish white scars retard or some false flagging as him
>>96870098Oh no, things you can fix with five seconds of discussion before the game, the horror. That’s way worse than having half of the factions in the game along with half the units in playable factions be unplayable. Woe, may you be cursed to only play 2.0 shattered legion for the rest of time with no edits
>>96869371Yes, but it's just me (AL + whatever I'm in the mood for trying) vs another guy (TS)
any militia anons willing to share their experience? hows it been?
More objective markers
>>96869294when someone from /tg suicide bombs nottingham
>>96869426female space marines. then log into /tg with a bucket of popcorn
Can world eaters or word bearers ally/summon Khorne demons here? Don’t care about blood thirsters but skull canons or blood crushers are my goal.
>>96870481This would make me do this >>96870471
>>96870484read the rule
Anyone try veteran tacticals? I have 5 marines built with shotguns that I want to make use of somehow, maybe add a few more with special weapons or disintegrators to blast at close range and bring the squad up to 10 man.
>>96870633If you're going with short range shotguns maybe go for two meltaguns
anyone got a pdf or even just blurry pictures of the forges of saturn supplement?
>>96869294I've been away from this general for a while. What's the deal with the Blood Angels(?) character on OP's pic?
>>96869371I haven't yet. I'm still at work painting a new army after 3.0 completely ruined my list and made it so I couldn't run it at all.
>>96870700Yeah that makes sense and it would look cool too. They have BS5 so they're well placed to make use of a meltagun or two.
>>96869904>>96869842Nu-bolter is so ugly, at least the nu-beakie came with a proper design
>>96870829Meltagun is bascially an uber- shotgun in Space Marine 1, dunno if you've played it
>>96870736He is our king, and his queens livery can be seen on the Questoris knight in the background
>>96870066I want to say it was probably to make them reusable between each and every armor mark GW puts out, but they're on the same sprue as the marines and bolters themselves than the dedicated upgrade ones they include in each kit.
reccommendations for how to paint word bearers?i've seen both matte and metallic schemeswould something like a maroon basecoat and red highlights be a good start?
>>96871201Wouldn't go metallic, since metallic red has more strong associations with TS for most people.
>>96871201This may sound obvious, but gal vorbak red is an excellent basecoat. For quick basecoats on a word bearer, spray the model grey, use gal vorback red on all the armour panels you want red, and black legion contrast on every other part, then go in and pain the silver bits silver, and gold bits balthazar. After that you can do your choice of washes and highlights, some just use nuln oil all over but I've seen success in using the bezerker bloodshade on the red and nuln, agrax and medium mixed 1:1:2 on all the metal. After that highlight/layer on your choosing of red (ibthink khorne red is great), and paint eye lenses green or blue
Sometimes I feel as though I'm overcomplicating my concepts for the various specialists. I saw this earlier, which made me realize that.
I have a retarded question, I never bothered to watch the Horus Heresy announcement trailer from earlier this year until now. It has Jenetia Krole (that is her, right?) in it signing to Valdor, and she says "the gilded lie". What is she talking about and if she's talking about the Emperor why would she? I get that Valdor hates the Emperor, but why would Jenetia?
>>96871405It's just supposed to convey to the audience that there were cracks in the foundation. It's meant to be vague and ominous.
we better get the faq today or I swear to god
>>96871405Its clearly not the emperor, all of them (krole, valdor, malcador) are religiously devoted to the guys cock. The gilded lie is probably "the imperium", the vision of utopian progress and unity it offered. Maybe the primarchs and their infallibility.
>>96871491It ain't happening.
>>96870066RTB01
>>96870242How do I "Fix" a squad of 5 jetbikes being blown up just, because my opponent sees 1mm of a dorsal fin of one?
>>96871491Why ?FAQ is probably going to be an anemic document that specify rules that were non problematic and questions that nobody asked.I'd love to be proven wrong, but Heresy isn't known for its superbs errata/FAQ that adresses imbalances or badly written rules.Hell they even said they were happy about the state of the game during 2.0 despite all of its glaring issues.Hope is the first step on the road to disappointement.
>>96871643
Wait where the fuck are the Destroyers in 3.0?
>>96871616By checking sight lines pregame and not moving them like a retard
>>96871673Legacies rules document. Yes, a very schizo decision by GW, they even still have the destroyer models up on their webstore. The rules are peak though, might be the best destroyers have ever been.
>>96871201Mine is>basecoat krylon gray primer>flesh tearers contrast for red>2 coats ratling grime contrast for shoulder pads (I like how matte it is)>leadbelcher for trim (steel seems more fitting than silver)Granted my WB contingent is just 1 HQ + 4 faturnines right now but I like how it's turning out
>>96871729Thought this was an emperor's children for a sec
>>96871699They were definitely meant to go into a journal tactica
>>96871674Anon you know very well that on no GW table can you hide 21, never mind 30+jetbikes+land speeders. Same goes for being hit in to lances because you decided to model you golden keshig as advancing and not charging.
>>96871699Yep. Been loving my ashen circle and moritats. It feels like they gave every destroyer adjacent unit a meth enema this ed. 30-50 flamer shots a turn HOLY
>>96871758That's the ashen circle, right? Jesus Christ.
>>96871755Anon, I can hide 18 castellax, 4 domitars, and 6 blood slaughterers from being shot at first turn, yes you can you just need to not play on planet bowling ball and not be a retard who thinks calvary can't go into area terrain, which I know is hard for the polish but try your best.
>>96871752Am convinced that is the plan yes. Won't surprise me if we see a destroyers themed tactica journal with plastic destroyer models/weapons upgrade released alongside it soon-ish.
>>96871201Color forge reliquary red >mephiston red highlight>black washEshin gray>highlight by adding more white to eshinVallejo metal color aluminum for metallics
>>96871755Tourneyfags managed to do it at some of the most barren tables I've ever seen in 9th edition with harlequins and eldar with nearly identical terrain rules, this is purely a skill issue
>>96871755If you can't properly hide 5 jetbikes in LOS blocking: the edition that's unironically a skill issue on your part.
>>96871767Yes lmao, doubles base flamer shots on a volley, and if the unit retreats you can gun down which is also considered a volley attack. Don’t forget they also get phosphex bombs lmao
>>96871668Pattern recognition is truly a curse. Also, people wouldn't be fucking negative if they did a good fucking job
>>96871491Got your wish.https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/wqjq3xrc/new-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-faqs-and-erratas-released/
All the DA retards can stop crying about how their legion trait doesent apply to combat resolution now.
Wait, what the fuck?
>>96871887The mechanicum "subfactions" work like marine legions. So since theyre essentially a different faction you can include them as allies.
>>96871880Personally I'm gonna miss being able to brag about beating someone despite not having a functional legion rule.
>>96871849Actually a decent FAQ. Lots of minor fixes, like the TS special bolters no longer being assault. And no major changes that break the game, like the first FAQ of HH 2.0 changing Return Fire to happen before the unit actually shooting got to fire.
Moritats have Bitter Duty again
>>96871880>>96871908What changed?
>>96871908>Gets buffed>ComplainsTypical
>>96871986The modifier for losing close combat now modifies the leadership of units that lost, not the roll. Meaning DA will now pass their routed check on a 6 despite getting their asses beat, use Disengage and turn around to blast your melee unit in the face.
>the comptroller + vanguard debate will continue
>no FAQ or Errata for BlackshieldsOh great
>asphyx bolters lost pistolG O O D
>>96871849>Glancing hits during reactions now do no damage because they can't apply tactical statusesThanks, James, very cool and totally the effect intended I'm sure
>>96871976OOOoooohh, yeah
>>96872006Thanks
>>96872065They fixed the wording on the assault destroyers so they can actually take special weapons
>>96872062>Rulebook clearly states that reactions may never induce status effects on a unit>Literal buttfuck retards try to argue that glances get around this>GW calls them buttfuck retarded and say they don'tDangerously based change, GW should just start telling the people asking these stupid questions to kill themselves
>>96872083Cool, but now because glances can't inflict statuses, they can't do damage on account of the shitty wording of glancing hits during return fire, which is retarded, and anyone who argues otherwise is retarded.
>>96872099get pwned retard.
>>96872099Anything that nerfs return fire is a win in my book. Get fucked.
>>96871574Valdor hates the Emperor, man. He just isn't allowed to hate him. Instead he does this neat trick of negotiating with the blockers the Emperor put on what he can and cannot do. A good example of what I mean is Valdor intentionally slow rolling helping when the vaults beneath the palace were under attack by the Chaos gods. He specifically wanted an outcome that would result in them being destroyed, as well as the Space Marines whose gene seed was down there. Valdor also repeats the phrase "that there will be no new generals" in his book because he feels he should be the only general that the Emperor uses given what he's sacrificed, and he can see how the Emperor operates having been there since the start. At the end of the book, when Valdor seemingly laments that there will be no new generals to Malcador, Malcador coyly says that the Emperor has begun to locate the Primarchs. He also discusses what a great loss it is that the gene seed was destroyed by Astartes that she bombs. Except you know he doesn't mean a word of it. When he is fighting Ushotan he mentions that the Space Marines will replace the Thunder Warriors and that Ushotan should have seen this coming from what he knew of the Emperor and how he treated the Thunder Warriors. Ushotan mentions he doesn't like the Space Marines, and Valdor admits he doesn't like them either. This conforms with the idea that he knows the Emperor's long-term plan will result in the Primarchs replacing him, just as the Space Marines replaced the Thunder Warriors. Valdor realized that, and so every bit of inaction he takes is an attempt make the plan fail. So when Malcador talks to Valdor and he tells Valdor that not only have the Primarchs been located, but also the Space Marine gene seed has been copied and sent the moon well ahead of time, he does so in a way that is meant to mock Valdor for thinking his plan of doing nothing was going to work.
>Arms of The Omnissiah now gives irregulars Implacable Advance>Imperial Provosts (webber) gives irregulars +2 combat resolution points against status'd enemieshmn
>>96872099Yes, obviously,if you can't inflict a status during return fire you can't inflict a duplicate status during return fire so you can't cause additional hull points lost. No shit retard.
>NOOOO YOU CAN'T INTERACT WITH ME DURING MY TURN, YOU HAVE TO LAY THERE LIKE A DEAD CORPSE WHILE I PLAY SOLITAIREIt's stupidly telling that this was a bad call when these are the kind of players defending the glancing hit faq
>>96872120Draigo can't slaughter that retard soon enough
>>96872127Uh oh retard has a melty
Just return fire with armorbane weapons, glances are for pussies.
>>96872125I understand the logical reasoning of 'statuses can't be applied to ALL models during RF,' I'm saying that's retarded because it ignores the simple reality that inflicting statuses on vehicles workd differently from other models, functioning as a damage substitute rather than an annoying check that can trip you up in addition to taking damage. This faq basically reads for vehicles as 'if return fire doesn't pen armor, you automatically pass all saves,' making it effectively worthless for everything but lascannons and meltas (and encouraging the spam of both) They pretty clearly didn't think this one through and forgot to add in a clarification substituting damage for statuses. Simple as
>>96872161>Just encourage armourbane spam instead of interesting shit like grav gunsThat's part of why this I don't like this
It'a shame they didn't do anything to the Mechanicum transport jank, so the Macrocarid is still a brick, but overall I like this.You can Special Assignment in additional High Commands, which means you can have multiple Archmagi but not multiple Apexes. Scoria can now go in a Command slot and run around as the beatstick he is without impairing your ability to take a decent Apex detachment, which is a big improvement.>>96871887I guess I get a free allied detachment for the prime HQ slot now? Incredibly confusing change but sure, I'll take a fake Warlord detachment for Scoria on his own.
>>96872201Grav guns are for applying statuses with shock/pinning on your turn.
why have the still not made clear if vehicles can move into terrain?
>>96871849Desperately needed Militia Nerf
>>96872216Tech-thrall chads stay winning!
>>96872210And now they'll be skipped because they're doubly less useful than armourbane since they essentially do nothing in return fire to vehicles
>>96872234You dont take graviton weapons to deal damage to vehicles. You take them to apply pinning to units (vehicles or otherwise). Theyre a status application weapon, like all the other status weapons (they also dont apply statuses on return fire)
>>96871849>Kratos, seekers and vulkan untouched.>Salamanders gets multiple buffs on their units despite being already top tier.At least we got an FAQ.
>>96871589yes but why did HE make his chain bayonet look that way
>>96872245>t. only owns one grav gun on a leviathan On a squad equipped with them they pretty consistently chip at vehicles. But that was just my example- my main point is why the hell not just take less ranged weapons that can only glance vehicles, when you'll inevitably run into vehicles that blow them off the board with no chance of a counter? Might as well just skip any unit with any special ranged weapon thats not armourbane or under str 9 because a vehicle can now shoot at them with absolutely no chance of a clap back.All this does is encourage armour 14 vehicle/anti tank spam because they're now more all-rounders than they already were, which is bad because that's already pretty strong and potentially might have needed tuning.
>>96872285Kratos actually got buffed because glancing hits no longer inflict damage/statuses to it during return fire.
>>96872195>>96872201>encouraging armorbane spam >literally everyone has been pointing out that armorbane is a dogshit rule because most AV14 vehicles aren't possible to kill in one turn even with AT weapons and armorbane just prevents you from disabling them so they just automatically heal up with a fire lord and you spent half your turn do nothing >but now that you can just do the same thing on your turn instead, suddenly now armorbane is OMG RODLSTOMP OP and there's no point in glancing (just don't spend a reaction on returning fire retard)Are you intentionally this retarded?
>>96872290???>why did an IRON WARRIOR have HAZARD STRIPES>why would a 40k nostalgia mini have HAZARD STRIPESuf you mean why does it have the wedge shape, because that means you can hook the back corner over and do damage in the withdrawal, but the wider leading edge from the wedge vs a trad bayonet is better because a trad bayonet is just a piercing weapon, not a ripping your face off weapon
>>96872285Kratos is shit anyway, every time I've faced one I just ignore it because it does inconsequential damage to infantry.Seekers die like tactical marines yet cost twice the points, at best they get to do their thing once before getting lit the fuck up by return fire.Primarchs should never be included without agreement beforehand.
>>96872311>Nuh uh armourbane bad cause it doesn't kill AR 14 goodDid I not say in the EXACT SAME FUCKING SENTENCE that this change comes out as another buff for AR 14 vehicles you nut-munching, numbskulled, niggerfaggot?
>>96872006beast mode
>>96872057They just got released you're two months early
Not being able to glance in a reaction literally only changes things if you're retarded The only thing an AV14 vehicle is targeting is other vehicles because all they have is anti tank weapons If you're a vehicle without anti tank weapons being targeted by one that does, then why the fuck are you returning fire hoping for a lucky glance instead of smokescreening for a 1/3 chance to negate a fuckton of damage When the developer removes a trap option for retards, that's called "quality of life changes"
>>96870066Stripes are omegalulz
>>96872372It isn't even a change, but a clarification. People who were playing with return fire causing glacing hits were doing it wrong. For people who can read and have been playing it right from the get go, absolutely nothing changed.
>>96872372Because sometimes causing a vehicle to have a condition is better than damage if it’s a good points trade. Problem is the rule never worked like that and people were just stupid
>>96872376
>>96872372>The only thing an AV14 vehicle is targeting is other vehicles because all they have is anti tank weapons>laughs in vanquisher spam
>>96869761No one around me plays anymore....I could stage pictures and pretend but that seems too pathetic
>>96869371Yes, way better than 2e. We grandfathered in all old options so it's been fine.
>>96869761I will post my titans as I start painting them up
>>96870736Tranime faggot who was spamming his extremely mid praetor every fucking thread had a meltie when called out, now of he doesn't get to make the thread and stick his faggot shit in there he whines and complains.
>>96872326>Kratos is shit anyway, every time I've faced one I just ignore it because it does inconsequential damage to infantry.My Kratos has helped me open Land raider and their cargo 1st turn, then proceeded to Block access and LoS to objectives held by my scoring units. I don't know how on earth you consider them shit.>Seekers die like tactical marines yet cost twice the points, at best they get to do their thing once before getting lit the fuck up by return fire.Seekers are amazing. People keep talking about the breach (4+) ammo, but the panic (1) amunition coupled with precision to pick out a tactical sargent has been performing amazingly in my games.>Primarchs should never be included without agreement beforehand.Absolutely, but that doesn't mean they should be free from the notion of balance. Vulkan is not simply amongst the better primarchs : he outshines and outperform the rest of them by a huge margin.
>>96870736It all started with a different Anon shopping gold ship into OP pics(better) to troll one of his irl friends who hates the horse game. Then he started adding this termi character. Then a different Anon picked up the mantle and uses mspaint level skill to shop them in, which is hilarious.
>>96872316i was asking about the wedge shape and really did not expect an actual explanation of why it's like that (a wedge)i still think it looks very stupid but i like the idea more now. thanks anon
>>96872372>The only thing an AV14 vehicle is targeting is other vehiclesTell me you only play against space marine players with land raiders without telling me you only play against space marine players with land raiders
Oh and vehicles don't proc vanguard anymore so why not just spam AR 14 to body block points now that they can't even get chipped in return fire?
To all the fucking retards arguing that DA's dogshit trait works in combat: You were fucking wrong, but it does now that it's been explicitly FAQ'd
>>96872490Were people not already doing that?
>>96872490They never did. You always had to score or contest to proc vanguard. This is part of what makes blackshield reaper allies so good.
>>96871791remove the hair
A single shooting attack means a single activation/election of the unit to shoot with as normal right? It's not literally 1d6 of 1 weapon right?
>>96872508They were, my point is this simply exacerbates the issue
>>96872522Golden retriever ; (
>>96872506it went from shit to simply bad
>>96872418Well I rarely have a land raider, and if I bring one it's well hidden and can't get shot until after it delivered its cargo. And since I have units that are fast enough to move around it, or have anti-grav to move over it, blocking hasn't been an issue either. People locally stopped bringing their kratos after a few tries.
>>96872546I thought I told you to trim those sideburns
>>96872550It is very useful in the right situation. Being able to pass Ld checks on a 6 regardless of how bad you lost allows that unit to use Disengage and means they won't have the Routed status. Yes, situational, but it can have a big impact.
>>96872506so were you doing it the retard way where you autistically applied the modifier to the result of the check, not to the Leadership Characteristic of the unit taking the check as though all units that lost a combat were getting a special prize for doing sobecause that is literally what the change is herelike did you think if a unit lost by 3 points it got to subtract 3 from the result of the roll and pass its fucking test
>>96872585>if you were playing the rules as they are explicitly written you're dumbIt's nice that the retards essentially announce themselves in these threads
>>96872285How on earth did the salamanders get 3 buffs with no changes to the OP profile of Vulkan ?
>>96872083>>96872062I dont have the rule book in front of me but here is the thing i would like to know. and how i would play it in the game. You cant apply a status effect from a reaction however, that does not stop the process of calculating glacning hits. For example, lets say i glance you 4 times. I still roll on that glance table, its just a matter of the statuses never actaully stay applied they just go away, but for the purpose of removing wounds, it can can still wound you. So say for glance 1 i roll a 1, on 2 i roll a 3, and on 3 i roll another 1, and on 4 i roll a 1 again. I applied 2 statuses but because i rolled the same status twice it does 2 HP but then at the end of that reaction the statuses just go away. Anyone with half a brain would easily be able to interpret that this is how it should work.
I have 20 nu-mk3I have 20 old mk3 armsI play alpha legionwhat should I make?
>>96869514>dude why did my strong shooty army obliterate this painfully barebones adhoc meq dredge list which I hardcounter
>>96872406>>96872422>>96872806>You cant apply a status effect from a reaction>I applied 2 statusesNo you didn't retard, it was clear before and now it's been spelled out for the cheating faggots who tried to argue around it: there are no statuses inflicted in reactions, and thus you can't apply a status again to trigger a hull point loss
>>96871849I really want to know what fucking rules lawyering bullshit necessitated the inclusion of this in the FAQ
>>96872775Probably because relative Primarch punching power is not actually that important? It's only relevant if they're dueling their brothers, they can all kill essentially anything else unless they get very unlucky against Scoria, Valdor, a Tribune or an Arcuitor, they're usually not going to die otherwise and the things that counter them (Headhunter bomb, seeker spam, stranding them in the middle of nowhere and statusing them until they cry becuase they don't have nuncio-voxes) work fine on Vulkan.
>>96872894Nothing surprises me any more after GW had to clarify through FAQ that if you concede the game you lose.
>>96872906Wait what?
>>96872870>strong shooting army that consists of 14 lightning guns and a couple of missile launchers
>>96872964No shit? Wonder how that would play out, like maybe there's a greentext about it in this very thread
>>96872894>>96872906I'll take this timeline any day over terrible wording and math that makes no sense.
>>96872944If I remember right, it was a guy at a tournament who managed to max out his score to the point his opponent couldn't possibly beat him. The opponent wanted to play it out and score what he could to improve his matchmaking, the guy who had the high score wanted to just end the game.
>>96872973bro sees 10 heavy bolters and probably thinks that's a busted army
>>96872884This is why i said i dont have my rule book but it deptends on when the statuses are applied. or rather not applied for exmaple When you fire your weapons and roll all your glances, you might roll various results like shaken or what ever, but those statuses dont get applied till after you are finished shooting which means you being able to take a hull point off of a vehicle happens BEFORE you would apply statuses and therefore not apply them because its a reaction. Vehicle damage happens at a step before status application is my point.
>>96872894Retarded 40k players who cant understand the game is meant to be a wargame an thus meant to be narrative, because of retarded like this who will rule argue that glances cant do damage. >>96872884and need to have friendly and enemy spelled the fuck out for them.
>>96872944Tournament players were repeatedly conceding the game when they were ahead in victory points, and then claim they won the game because it ended when they were ahead in points.>>96872988Sadly, it wasn't just one guy. It was somewhat of a notorious move pulled by scumbags throughout multiple editions.
>>96872817How many melee weapons, combis, hand flamers, and/or boarding shields do you have?
>>96872894If your opponent gets models from your army under his control (via psychic or Cybertheurgy stuff), they're treated by the rest of your army and the units they're in as enemies and can react to them in the same way as to normal enemy models/units (reactions, volley shots, can't use their Ld or Cl... whatever). Simple as that.
I drunk ordered a bunch of bullshit off ebay and forgot to order the mkiv marines I actually needed...
>>96873078i can obtain all but own command squad upgrade, melee weapon upgrade and special weapon upgrade boxes
>>96873190For rewards of treachery:>Jorlund hunters. Fun unit, I run mine with a champ for back-up>DG Inductii. Good line + fury + nice chunk of status weapons>DA Inductii. The volkite is a major threat to other tacs and MEQ
>>96872988>The opponent wanted to play it out and score what he could to improve his matchmaking, the guy who had the high score wanted to just end the game."Argh, this is so frustrating. Y'see, this is what I don't get about you bad guys. You know the hero's gonna win, but you just don't die quickly. Example: this one guy in New Haven, right? City's burning, people are dying left and right, yadda yadda yadda. This jackhole rushes me with a spoon. A fricking spoon! And I'm dying laughing, right? So I scoop out his stupid little eyeballs with it, and his kids are all, waaahh!, and, he can't see where he's going, he's bumping in to stuff, and ah... I don't know, maybe you had to be there. The moral is: you're a total bitch."
>>96872902Doesn't answer why the top tier legion deserved 3 buffs but let's talk about Vulkan's impact and power if you want.>Probably because relative Primarch punching power is not actually that important?I was talking about Vulkan in general and sorry, but Primarchs power IS imprtant. They already are impactfull models and unit, Vulkan's absurd ruleset isn't needed. 7 wounds with T7 and the Salies trait already puts him in a very respectable position. But being abble to bring 4 easy prime slots (which aren't unit locked), on top of a great 1st turn sire rule, a great shooting gun and hands down the best gambit in the game isn't exactly "not that important".There is no reason Vulkan deserves to be miles better than any of his brothers, especially when the faction is already very powerfull without him.This isn't to mention that primarchs duels are fun and very rarely one sided ... except when Vulkan is showing up.Facing Vulkan in 3.0 is as interesting as facing Ferrus last edition.
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>>96872884You replied to me by accident but FUCK YOU regardless
>>96873415What buffs you fucking schizo
>>96873462lies or post proof
>>96873537scroll through the files and look for blue like i did.i saw a at least one in emperor's talons and then one example from astartes was terranic swords for DA
>>96872326>best tank in game and best shooting unit in game are bad because I say soAll this tells us is you're a complete and utter retard who has never played the game. If you ignore a kratos that's 8 damage of stable lascannons per turn and 16 damage of stable 24" overpowered melta each turn. The 6 stable super shots means it's worth it against any elites, any terminators, any transports, any tanks. If it only had the melta and autocannon, it would be ignorable. Actual kratos users instead add 4 lascannons letting it get 24 super shots from lascannon+melta per game so ignoring it just means all your transports, terminators, vehicles and 2+ armor squads get wiped. Seekers, kratos, corvidae and vulkan are the top 4 things in the needs-urgent-nerf to become anything resembling a normal unit category. It's not even at the level of needing debate - anyone claiming otherwise is automatically nogames.
What could Journal Tactica: The Isstvan V Dropsite Massacre – Part Two possibly feature in terms of new unit profiles?
any 3d prints or conversion guides for combi-bolters on power armoured men in a side-by-side configuration? (i.e NOT the headhunters top-down configuration)I could swap the grip out for a power armoured hand, but how would the other hand grip the weapon? (i.e imagine a marine holding a boltgun but it's a combi-bolter instead)
>>96873587Well, it's important to remember that Sloptica limits itself to kitbashes, so nothing too weird will be made.That said I can see>Cataphractii Siege Squad>proto-Razorbacks made from combining whirlwinds with other Tarantula guns >a "Master of Ambushes" that can do infiltrate shenaningans
>>96873587Some kind of Despoiler/Destroyer shit I suppose.
>>96872656when has it ever been the case that losing combat gives you a bonus to Ld when you take your morale checkis this your first game
>>96873649You just start sawing the fist off. I used old mk7 arms to hold the handle then a mix of melee upgrade open hands and other old bits.
>>96873584>kills 6 of my 80 infantry a turn>assuming perfect rolls for the kratosCouldn't care less. Cope harder lmao.
Let me purchase Ravens Talons on all sqaud leaders GW, you cowards!
>>96873584>>96873799Volkite Kratos is real and it rapes
>>96872775Vulkan was also buffed, as before only 'Command' types had protection from wound allocation and if a precision weapon wounded vulkan, every random lightning claw attack from the non-precision guys had to be put on wounded vulkan before his 10 bodyguards according to the rulebook.>>96873462>GW acknowledging that Terranic greatswords are so shit they're cheaper than Powerfists, unlike every other legion's ultimate-weapon upgrade.
>>96873825>ap5No it's not
>>96873584I would like to thank my 100pt Vulturax for singlehandedly turning two unassisted Kratos into useless bricks for the entire game because they have no autorepair. The annoying part is that there's not much you can do about them if they have a bunch of techmarines sitting on top of them, and Mech isn't the best at shooting through AV14.Never really had a problem with Seekers, although Magi don't give a fuck about S4 sniper fire and can often heal themselves. They're definitely not the best shooting units in the game unless all you're fielding is medium infantry that can be easily sniped, they can't hit above S4 and die when breathed on.Corvidae I agree on.
>>96873584If you think those are bonkers bro the felblade fucks shit up.
>>96873584>Seekers, kratos, corvidae and vulkan are the top 4 things in the needs-urgent-nerfBeen playing the same Seekers, literally the same models, since 1e and wow are they bonkers in 3e. There's really no reason not to run them. Even at 1w they guarantee maiming things if all they do is return fire once. Breaching should be a flat value of 5+ with a modified AP value in parenthesis. Eg Breaching (3) is on a 5+ to wound, change the AP value to 3.Corvidae is a symptom of bad plasma and breaching being flat AP2. Autocannosn should be Breaching (3) while plasma is Breaching (2), get rid of this maximal bs.Kratos need weaker rear armor and to lose stable. Still scary on return fire but less scary.Vulkan is busted but personally I don't think Primarchs should even have rules. He needs a nerf, I just personally wish the beef was deletion of al Primarch sheets.
>>96873847As marines you can now throw (veteran) breachers with lascutters at AV 14 vehicles and pretty much guaranteed destroy them in one turn.Genuinely don't get people being upset about kratos. Maybe they're throwing a fit because it can destroy their precious spartan partybus holding all their thunder hammer terminators.
>>96873903This is why i have been saying since the start of 2.0.Breaching needs to change to Breaching(x/y) a to wound roll of a x sets the AP of that wound to Y.
>>96873903>while plasma is Breaching (2)And always overload 1 if that wasn't obvious. No dual profiles. Plasma is dangerous both ways.
>>96873903Plasma just needs to stop being second fiddle to D guns which in reality is more like 3rd fiddle since D guns are shit. Plasma should be Base AP4, breaching 5+ on normal. if you over charge it, it should be AP3 base, Breaching 5+. plasma should be the anti MEQ weaponD guns should be AP3 breaching 5+ but do 2 damage and cost more and be the anti Vet unit and possible anti TEQ weaponsWhile melta should out right be the fuck you Anti anything in range unit. Kratos needs to lose stable, that shit is bonkers when you consider thins like the LR and spartan dont even have it.
>>96873415Salamanders in general beefy, but I wouldn't say they're too nuts. Salamander troops take some shifting but even with FNP6+ and their legion rule they're only Tacticals, they will melt to anything that usually melts tacs. I definitely don't think they're strong enough to leave them out of the generic fixes that came in for precision-wounded characters and similar just on those grounds or the grounds that their primarch is above the curve for slapping other primarchs.
>>96873959I would rather the Kratos loses armour, it being unusually indestructible is the annoying part. It's not shaped like every other 14/14/14 tank, it has the visual language of the high-front-armour gun platforms like the Saber and the Sicaran, so it should follow that.>>96873911Even mech can handle it in melee with thinks like Moiraxes or meltabomb Thallax, the main issue is that it has no reason to get anywhere near you so it's relatively hard to do so.
>>96873999Dunno how it is for mech, but as marines it has never been easier to get into melee range. And I'm not even abusing charging out of dreadclaws yet.
>>96873999>hard to do so.Just stuff 10 vet breachers with 4 las cutters into a drill.Drills gonna run you 85 points, and you will be able to jump out and unload those 4 shots into it, which is gonna do enough damage to fuck it up. Sure you cant charge it but its gonna need to scoot away, and you can charge it next turn. Or do the same thing with a Melta support squad.
>>96873903>>96873936I like that breaching. Allows for a variety of weapons to have it while not being instant AP2 deleters for Corvidae. Even Disintigrator rifles could benefit.
>>96874030Hell honestly i would even be so bold as to put it on thing like say a chain sword or chain axeChain sword: Breaching (6/3)Chain axe: Breaching (5/3)
>>96874042I'm on the "shred should be old brutal" train myself. Much more threatening to 1w targets.
>>96874061>old brutalAbsolutely fucking not. Brutal was a horribly busted rule in 2.0If brutal was applied AFTER you failed a save? Sure fine, but forcing double saves? fuck that, its why TH were the king of 2.0 because you payed 15 points and effectively doubled your damage output on what ever model you put it on which is fucking insane.
>>96874030Why not change Corvidae which is causing the issue, instead of making breaching even more useless for everyone else
>>96874027Mech has no assault transports and no transport flyers, so we're stuck with Termites and disordered charging. Thallax aren't bad at getting into meltabomb range while doing useful things on the way at least, they all have very large guns.>>96874028Marines are fine, little bit harder with an Armiger or nine dipshits with 10" move, meltabombs and a dream. Luckily, statusing it with the Vulturax's effectively guaranteed Suppression and deep striking a termite or thallax squad to assassinate the techmarine if any has worked great so far.
>>96874113Brother just ally in some space marines. Siege master, 10 vet breachers in a drill and call it a day.
>>96873501It's ok Anon I'll help you count.1) Special snowflake heavy flamer buffed to ap4.2) Inductii now get to benefit from the ld8 of the sergent, essecially giving the unit +1 ld.3) Cassian now gets paired gravis fist for +1 attack on an already top tier unit.
>>96874113Even with disordered charges you can get over halfway across the board before even rolling the charge. Can't imagine triaros have less than 10" movement.
>>96874113Add a master of decent, turn 1 those thallax
>>96874134To be fair though, im NTA, but flamer going to AP4 means fuck all except against enemies that are already not going to be getting an armor save from weapons far more threatening.
So, unless you Intercept using a Lascannon (armourbane), you might as well do nothing?
>>96873936the other big thing needing removal is there's no reason crits or rending should apply breaching, it's the #1 thing ruining the entire 3rd edition's game balance. And GW already knows, they don't allow skipping the wound roll in other games to automatically proc every ultra-wound ability (because obviously that's turbo retarded game design)If our goal is to treat breach/shred as buffs, so we can't simply miss them, then the simple solution is just rolling for them anyway during crit/rend.Each attack that procs could simply roll a pseudo-wound on a separate fire group to see if any activate breaching(X) or shred(X). Then breaching(6+) would not double-dip with rend/crit to ruin their shitty playtested balance. 9 corvid plasma guns avoiding overcharge to use basic breaching6+ would have 6/18 hits rend and of those 6 rending hits they only breach 2x instead of the overpowered 6x. That would instantly make breaching(6+) as normal as it's meant to be. Only weapons which are actually AP2 or Breaching4+ should be drowning in low AP hits.It also makes the game more granular rather than all-or-nothing. Currently there's too many situations you roll a 5 to hit and don't even need to bother as it's dmg1 saved on 2+ for 0.17 wounds average or you roll 6 it's immediately 2-3 damage (crit/shred/breach). It's best if there's less skew each roll (charges do this when they have you do 2d6 and pick highest).
>>96874157Correct here is the fucked up part.>React against a vehicle>Get a 9 glances>Nothing happens. vs>React against a super heavy>get 9 glances>Do 9 hull points since glances do HP agaisnt Super havies. So ill let you figure that one out how and why super heavies which are massive fucking tanks, can be wounded by a glance in a reaction but a rhino cant lol.
>>96874166>the #1 thing ruining the entire 3rd edition's game balance.ehhhhhhhhhh i would not agree with it being the number 1 things. The number one thing is honestly scoring at the end of turns, and detachment spamming/abusing.
>>96874149the math has already been done, master of descent thallax multimelta deepstrike is a fuckton of points and doesnt even scratch a kratos.
>>96874134>1) Standard heavy flamers are AP 4 too. The upgraded heavy flamer having lower AP was a clear oversight. Also complaining about AP 4 LMAO>2) Oh no, a basic troops unit has Ld. 8, shaking in my boots right now>3) Model got the same benefit from wargear of similar equipped dreadnoughts. Another obvious oversight that got fixed.Two of these are fixes, the third barely means anything. All are so niche that calling them buffs is quite the stretch. What's next, are you gonna cry about how the TS special bolters no longer having the assault trait makes TS literally unplayable?
>>96874157Yes, because as we all know it is literally impossible to score a penetrating hit when doing return fire.
>>96874171>Ramming absolutely gutted (Death or Glory obsolete as a result)>Glancing / Pens ass backwards when all they needed to do was tone down Explodes (not even actually remove it)>No more Vehicle speed>Dedicated Transports are bought separately, like it was a "Master of Transports" chaperone CenturionAll the vehicle rules of 3.0 are a Big Fat Mess. Disordered charges from non-Assault vehicles are the single good thing of this edition
>>96872775>>96873415>>96874134They're only buffs by technicality. Really, they're things that should have been that way from the start.>1) Special snowflake heavy flamer buffed to ap4.This was clearly a copy/paste oversight.>2) Inductii now get to benefit from the ld8 of the sergent, essecially giving the unit +1 ld.This isn't new either. Last edition their special Inductii also had a sergeant model who represented an OG legion veteran. They put the Inductii Master into the 3.0 version of the unit, but forgot to give him the Sergeant keyword.>3) Cassian now gets paired gravis fist for +1 attack on an already top tier unit.He has the same number of base attacks as a Contemptor, which also gets +1A for having paired gravis fists.
>>96874182you're right, this edition really has too many bad game design items at once. End of turn scoring is worse, and the stupid WS chart, and the godawful useless terrain rules, the stupid line/vanguard dancing, the fucking abysmal line-of-sight rules (your tank can see the toe of one guy 24" away with a 24" gun then place the template 35" away in the middle of a unit behind a building outside of the firing arc, etc.)
>>96874166>it's the #1 thing ruining the entire 3rd edition's game balanceHoly hyperbole batman. If you asked HH players about issues they have with 3.0, for 99% of them this wouldn't even be on their list.
>>96872894its for 40k retards who don't know what the fuck a dice looks like
>>96874216Using anything less than S9? It kinda is. There's scant few things lighter than a Predator, and unless it's got armourbane, S8 needs a 6 to do anything to AV13Good luck with 8" multimelta armourbane range
>>96874216for most units in the game, that is a true statement against AV14. You cannot argue that 10 krak missiles (specifically for anti-tank purposes) must have a 0% chance to even do very minor damage to a landraider. We wouldn't be able to hear you over the sound of GW's cock blocking your entire throat.
>>96873987Salllamanders are above the curve on a lot of things.Primarch, reaction, wargear, prime advantage, legion trait and spécial units: all of those are already top tier or at least high tier. Add those together and the legion screams rule favoritism.Sallies are the most powerfull legion. Reading their rule, TS could be a contender but I've never played them so I don't know.
>>96874273When doing return fire nothing should be effective. The fact that return fire is at full BS and with stationary bonus is fucking retard. That you motherfuckers are whining about an aspect of return fire not being strong enough shows that you're nothing more than inbred keyboard warrior nogames.
>>96874288Well you haven't played against Salamanders either because you're painfully obviously a nogames lmfao.
>>96874288>TS could be a contenderThe difference is TS need to lean heavily into covidae. Salis are far less one note.
>>96874291>stationary bonusThis is my biggest issue with return fire.Hell 2.0 return fire would have been far less abusive if lascannons where snapshoting
>>96874328Return fire should have been snap shots always from the start, period. The higher amount of LOS blocking and reduced access to reactions of 3.0 has reigned it in a lot, but return fire is still just stupid.
>>96874139Triaros have 10" move exactly, although you have to get out of the side ports and the damn thing is so long that you're a surprising way back because of it. Still a pretty decent transport, hoping the 30k Skitarii are solid so we can have good blocks of infantry to put in them for less than the cost of a Myrmidon squad that size. I need to try throwing 16 Scyllax and an Arcuitor out of one and just rushing, since you can still cast cybertheurgy before a disordered charge.>>96874149Tempted to do so with my DG allies, although in their case I think giving them the termite assault duties might be more sensible. Multimeltas getting out of DG transports are mean little things.
>>96874288>PrimarchHe was pretty bad in melee last edition, although that was mainly because Brutal was too impactful of a special rule in melee. He has definitely improved, and other Primarchs have been lowered a peg, resulting in a strange skew.>reactionIt's basically the same as last edition, but the changes to the core rules have made it better.>wargearThe legion of artificers have good wargear? OH NO>prime advantageAHHHH SAVE ME HORUS MAN THEY HAVE FNP (6+)>legion traitI will agree with this - their traits are actually pretty good.>and spécial unitsWhich of their units would you consider top tier? Firedrakes have been nerfed every edition since first, Adherents were nerfed, Pyroclasts were nerfed... Sanctifiers are still really good, but that's about it.
>>96874242I actually quite like it for everything except Corvidae. It makes getting to BS6+ and scoring those crits feel very meaningful for my Mor Deythan, and I'm also intrigued by this sacrificial headhunter play people have supposedly come up with.
aurox only fits 10 idiot humans, but pardlet ultras lube up and slide 14 into a rhino
>>96874364yet it's DA who are called the homo legion...
>>96874121If I really need to crack AV14 I will probably grab some DG breachers to shove in my drill, yeah. Right now I'm just using a Cybernetica techpriest pair + some cheap servo-bots because they score at Line 1, can meltagun rear armour on lighter vehicles for an instant kill and are annoyingly hard to shift when dumped in the backline.>>96874364Hell, play robot blackshields and you can fold 15 tin men in there, for when your despoiler blob wants to rent a coach.
>>96874364No our fault that you put personal space above logistics efficiency
>>96874364Skill issue
>>96874378Different type of gay.Ultras are all oil and naked wrestling.DA are all repression and daddy's little secret.
>>96874472what about IFs? I assume some sort of cuck fetish (which is why they hate the IWs, who prefer chastity cages)
>>96874487Masochists, duh
Anyone who was genuinely expecting this FAQ to be a balance update on not clarifications and fixing stupid mistakes is mentally ill and needs to go back to 40k
>>96874364Superior UM quantum science allows two objects to partially occupy the same space.
are volkite calivers worth the points cost now?is the weapon any good?
>>96874523in a TSS
NL made an ambush night attack and achieved ther tactical obiectives and won 6:3. Mission Dominion.DA rushed to get the objective, but the Night Raptors toyed with them. Even if the initial squad of 6 was ceippled to 2 members, rhey achieved their mission to stop two squads of tacticals to grab the objective.The NL predator did very well by destroying the opponent Predator, surviving three turns of shooting and crippling a Rhino. Terror squad meh as always, made one pinning which was unused, killed a little bit of infantry and died miserably. DA had a strong command squad unit, bur stucked behind a wrecked Rhino so they entered the fight only on turn 4. The contemptors fought valiantly and both perished.The absolut highlight of the game was NL atupid Centurion champion who was rammed by a 1 hp DA rhino and made a one shot death or glory with his plasma pistol. Needed to roll 4, got 3, but was fun he died for the lols.
>>96874548gorgeous!
>>96874487Literal poop eaters and subs if the books are anything to go by
>first major errata in months>gooners discussing degen fetishesdead gamekys
>>96873842nogames sighted, calling in airstrike>>96873847All vehicles have auto-repairs 6+ be default
>>96871849>Knights still hit on rear armor in meleeWe Battletech now.
>>96874620They do, but it is very easy to miss a 6+ four rounds in a row, and that was what happened.
>>96874609Welcome to 4Chan, enjoy your stay.
>>96874609plz help us discuss this major game update, we're all confused and GW didn't include a designers note for some reason?
>>96874548Ave Dominus Nox brother.So Terror squads still shit? I was gonna use 1 five man with bolters, a flamer and a rotor cannon, but for 125 points it's so damn expensive for 1 wound each, they don't even get ws 5, and now only hatred, preferred enemy is gone. Also your army is dope (An the DA too).
>>96874548>>96874561>>96874571>>96874589I really need to paint the 2 rhinos i have been sitting on for months that are primed but like fuck me if i dont have any motivation
>>96874561AveThanks :) I am playing 2.0 so they are a little bit better, but still pretty meh
>Primarchs were a mistake.
>>96874344>Return fire should have been snap shotsI'm not going to use my one shooting reaction on useless snapshots. If this is to be my ONE fight-back even before the enemy resumes using his entire army while I can only watch, it damn well better be momentous.I had a Land Raider be intercepted by 20 imperial fist autocannons. And it was destroyed... they better do?500 pts vs 240 pts? Yeah they better fucking kill it, it's basically a quarter of an army to kill a single model. Still won.And that was back when autocannons could rend vehicles.And that was back when augury scanner Intercept was oppressive.Back when it was three shooting reactions MINIMUM, plus any intercepts. Now you're lucky to afford three reactions of any kind at all.It is a bubblewrap edition this time around, where nothing kills each other, where a sarge with a fist is no longer a threat to a hammer IC, where there's no more sweeps.Literally drowning in a glass of water you guys.
>>96874378>yet it's DA who are called the homo legion...That's just because it makes the DA players angryWe UltraFaggots have long embraced it
>>96874929>>The primarchs were a mistake.>13>My last loyal son, my pride, my greatest triumph >Ny last tool>My last hopeAll but one
>can no longer attach a moritat to a unit of sanctifiers to give them firestormRIPanyway, how do I convince my salamanders friend to try out new units? he keeps on losinglegacies stuff mostly, I want him to try veteran breachers for oncewhat about the salamander specific stuff like adherents?
>>96875088Kinda based
>>96875134>ultrafaggot wank writingyou know black library sucks when a writefag done by a redditor had a better dialogue between the emperor and girlyman then the official "writers" of these slop books.>what are you talking aboutonly in death does duty end.
>>96875134>The only primarch to grow up with a well adjusted mother and father ends up being the most functional oneReally makes you think huh.
>>96875164Skill issue, try not being an NPC next time
>>96875134God I wish either of his models had a head like the art, even if I know there's no way I could paint it well.
>my assault cannon predator is still fuckedthanks for nothing GW, IF can take Iliastus on heavy weapon guys, sponsons and pintle mounts but not in the predator turret nor in dreads.
>>96875175I'd like to think anyone would turn out well if they had a mom that survived telling Konrad Curze to kill himself
>>96874523>>96874534They are deffinitely more playable at least. TSS with calivers would have more wounds than the same points of HSS with culverins tho the damage output is significantly lower. They don't have Support Unit so you can have them on a home objective that is worth more than 1VP in the missions that have them, or you can give them Line 1 with a MoS/DamoclesI think I'd rather go with the culverins or chargers on a TSS tho
>>96875205>a mom that survived telling Konrad Curze to kill himselfUnfathomably based.
>>96875134>the emperor is definitely telling the truth to a valuable asset appearing out of nowhere
The falconets aren't as long as I thought they'd be but with some cutting I can just about smack them right on the shoulders if I can't make a proper mount.
>>96875398>The emperor definitely had the mental facilities to lie in that situation
>>96869371Fuck no. 2.5 group going strong.
>>96875776You can tell the emperor is lying by the fact hes saying things.
>>96874080>If brutal was applied AFTER you failed a saveThats shred now, but worse because its a chance. Shred on chainswords is useless. Shred sucks. >>96874109because breaching is still an issue. Plasma sucks yet seekers are OP.
>>96876311WEll thats because they got rid of ID and added damage characteristic. which was a mistake.
>>96876311>yet seekers are OPNo they aren't. A guy in my group has been having 0 success despite bringing seekers every game because, surprise surprise, there's basically no situation where a unit is foot slogging, in line of sight, and not in combat with the current line of sight and transport rules. He'll, I deliberately ran a myrmidon list against him and their total output has been...2 wounds against 1 tech priest, and holding my backfield objective for a turn before dying to to a critical twin grav gun blast.
>>96876342>No they aren't. A guy in my group has been having 0 success despite bringing seekers every game because, surprise surprise, there's basically no situation where a unit is foot slogging, Anon you can give a retarded person a million dollars and they will still end up poor. seekers are very powerful in terms of points cost.
what ARE seekers meant to be anyway?lore wisethey're not recon marines, are they meant to be stealthy or just act similar to special weapon squads?
>>96876362to infiltrate enemy lines for shenanigans and for targeting officers/command
>>96876366MK3 wouldnt suit them then, hmmmm
>>96876362Spec ops.Think Navy Seals to the muhrines. That's why they're getting special issue bolters and the sergeant was one of the few guys who could get a disintegrator when they were important.
>>96869294Can whoever does the new OP put this in there for Legions Imperialis:>Army Builder and Unit Referencehttps://legionbuilder.app/>>96870471It'd be worth it to get alternating activations in 11th edition
>>96876346They're nice little units, but I think if you're mounting them up and using them as general efficient-murder-marines I actually prefer Headhunters. Those banestrikes are mean as hell for only 30pts more per 10-man, they get free knives and the 18" range isn't too bad when you're infiltrating or mechanised. Seekers are great, but I wouldn't say they are uncontested, especially if you include legion-specifics.
>>96876456LOOKLOOK WITH YOUR SPECIAL EYES
>>96876342If they can't figure out BS5 30" breaching 4+ precision guns with 2 shots and infiltrate they're a terrible player. I don't know what to tell you. Seekers are crazy strong.
>>96876468>Headhunters better than seekers>Headhunters good
>>96876497My bad, the site was wigging out and stuff wasn't loading. Thanks OP
What are the pouches in the Disintegrator weapon sprue meant to be for?
>>96876579vinyls
>>96876531Headhunters great, they blast basically anything Seekers can and they can precision fire with cooler guns than Kraken bolters. The knives are a bit useless, but hey, can't have everything.
>>96876579spare power pack wheels for the little ones
>>96876653I see. Noticed GW skipped on Bolt Pistol pouches for veterans specifically
How blasphemous would it be to play Alone and Forgotten but ally in a centurion or mortifactor with some legion rules so you can run a couple dreads alongside the HQ wave? Not necessarily because of balance but because dreadnoughts are characters too.
>>96876782I am personally kind of hoping the journals add generic Venerable Dreadnought characters that don't go into the War Engine slot for this exact purpose.
>>96876817What we need are prime dreadnoughts and some prime bonuses that actually work for them.
>>96876782That sounds like you should drop the stupid blade of the Just because it's broken and just fun alone and forgotten as allies.
>>96876827>blade of the justI'm really thinking about xenos taint.A centurion with a halo blade and melta bombs is exactly 100 points. With the various bonuses you can go absolutely bonkers on some dudes. Like a paragon of battle can be walking around at WS6, S7, I6, A5 with AP2.But a dude wants to play with his robots too
Might as well post Gonk while I'm at it.
>>96876851>m really thinking about xenos taintAnother 40k coomer...
>>96876894Hey now, there's plenty of xenos taint to go around in 30k. Hell, if anything this is the most canonically accurate period for Eldar poon: craftworlders aren't murder fucking anymore but haven't gotten the paths yet so they're not massive tightwads either.
>>96876851Feels rough not to take +1W on the line centurions, makes you a little more proof to fumbling a couple of saves, but yeah, they're monsters. Jetpacks all round, have random chumps with Praetor statlines or Paragons doing even better than that.I should probably consider +1I more, at least on the hammer boys, but I'm basically operating on the assumption that if one of my centurions hits melee I'll be satisfied with them exploding into victory points.
i picked up the HH books starting at the Solar War, through the End and the death 3. And i just came across a bunch of the older books and so i'm starting there. Horus Rising, seeing loken and the the dudes in the mornivale before they get all chaosy and pissy was neat. Was it always eberus though?
>>96873987NTA, but out of curiosity : if you don't consider sallies top tier this edition, which ones would it be ?
>>96876822I want those too. Among all the other dreadnought nerfs that were deserved, the logistics for running them in 3.0 are also kinda fucked.
>>96877221Minor spoilers but the Word Bearers got corrupted like 50 years before the events of Horus Rising so pretty much yes
>>96877223Don't think anon meant to say Salamanders aren't top tier, just that they aren't as outrageously above the other legions as a lot of nogames people on /hhg/ make them out to be. They certainly are nowhere near the level of IF and DA were in 2.0, or TS in 1.0
>>96877293like i said, i skipped everything before the solar war and the siege of terra, is it in any of the early books why and what they did, or is it just mentioned like samus till the end and the death 3 why it's always loken dealing with him.
>>96877324The First Heretic is the Word Bearers origin book then they're in Know No Fear and Betrayer
>>96877328Ahh, so it skips around chronologically at the start, and then flows into one through - line. I was wondering why they started so far back at murder and showing off the interex in the first book.
>>96877337Only the first 5 are more or less in chronological order then it starts skipping around
>>96877340tch. I know besides the end and the death the siege of terra pretty much flowed through. oh well, i'm still having fun seeing where they started vs what they become.Quick question: the ones ones in the primarch series, and the short stories. how important are they to the whole outside of just another book/story about your dudes?
>>96876851The legend!
>>96877357Heavyarms Endless Waltz, my beloved.
>>96877300Were DA really that strong or is it an other hhg cliche ? I'm a SW at heart and I'll be completely honest: I'd say SW, IF and Ultras were the top dogs of 2.0. DA had some gimmicks that needed to be learned, but once figured out: I don't think DA were the monsters people describe here.
>>96876427This is beautiful. Love to see older models instead of nu marines
>>96877413Have you played against an ironwing DA lascannon HSS with cognis-signum techmarine?Re-rolling all hits and penetrating hits when shooting vehicles? Marduk in a spartan hading out Preferred Enemy to the entire army? That's only some of the bullshit combo's DA could pull off. They might not be on the same level as IF (no one was) but certainly in second place.
>>96876579Tacticl Pocket Pussies.
>>96876579Those hold their CD walkman
>>96877502So, what does /hhg/'s choice of legion listen to?
>>96877504>Alpha Legion>Masters of Disguise - Alpha_Omega
>>96877355Siege is in chronological order and the HH series likely was intended to be but got bloated and all over the place after the massive success of the first few booksIt was originally meant to be ~10 books which is why the Martian civil war is a single book early on then barely mentioned again
>>96877424I have played against the sedras & friends list.They were oppressive for sure, but was that better than IH Ferrus + dread lists ? Or even an optimised Sw + Russ list ?My contemptors were WS6 str10 on the charge with brutal 3 fists for less than 200 points a piece.DA were in a great place for sure. But I wouldn't rate them higher than IH, Ultras or my SW if I had to be honest.
Can someone explain to me how Destroyers refusing charge works? I don't understand it, but people were saying you can do the normal shooting, then charge/volley and then choose to fail a charge or something? Sounds like WAACfaggotry to me.
Spoiler anon if you are here. Can you post screens of Lion's and Russ' conversation with Dorn? Please.
Anons I'm sick of needing to go to an LGS to play 30k. Would it be feasible to get a tables worth of terrain for around 200 usd? If so, where to get it? Kickstarter? Etsy? I'm not really a fan of MDF stuff (though the Bandua sets aren't bad).The LGS nearest to me only has the smelliest ogres possible as customers and it actively detracts from my enjoyment of the game.
>>96877685Why not get an FDM printer for that?
>>96877685Instead of LGSs, find a nearby time cafe aimed at normie boardgames, make friends with them, ask them to get some terrain. It's ridiculous how different the clientele is. LGSs are full of unwashed obese degenerate ponylovers, time cafes are usually full of normies to the point where I'm going to one for a Halloween party later tonight. And there will be women who will not look disgusted and horrified by the rest of the public.
>>96877675Basically you get to decide to simply not roll for your charge.
>>96877675Maybe you should try reading the rules. Start with the Firestorm special rule.
>>96877685If you don't mind doing a little work, you can create your own terrain for dirt cheap using leftover cardboard, texture paint, ice sticks, random bits of wire you got laying around, you name it. Get some cheap spraycans and you can get like over three tables of terrain painted in half a day.
>>96877697>>96877698Oh, that's where that rule is! Thanks, guys, I didn't know it was hidden within the Firestorm rule.
>>96877693I wouldn't really have a use for it beyond printing the one terrain set, though I guess I could start printing firearms or the like.>>96877695I'll see if I can do that, there's a few decent boardgame cafés around but non of them have tables big enough for 30k iirc. Funny you mention women because one of the key reasons I want to be freed of relying on LGS is that I'm teaching my wife to play and she felt uncomfortable being stared at like she had three heads. A fatass magic player even came up to us midgame to ask if we were together and if she wanted to learn how to play magic.It's crazy how real the stereotypes Round autistic neckbeards are.
>>96877462Do WS mount them on their belts sideways?
>>96877709That sounds doable, do you have any reference pics? I heard that GW used to make guides for DIY terrain, do you know where one might find them?I appreciate the advice anon :)
>>96877715A bud of mine actually runs that time cafe I'm going to. And yes, he and his wife had a LOT of the same experiences like you're describing, hence them being open to wargames in their space too. I even brought all the terrain I had lying around to their cafe just for that.And usually boardgame cafes have enough table space to accommodate 10-12 people groups, so it really shouldn't be a problem. Talk to them, they are usually open to moving two tables together or something.Also the closest parcel delivery point to my house is located in the LGS and I can see women brace before they go in there.God, I hate LGSs so much.
>>96877724Must still have some of those guides saved in a backup hard drive somewhere, but no idea which one. It should be very straight forward to figure out yourself though, even with only a little practical insight and creativity.>Cut cardboard into ruined walls shapes>Attach together and cover sides with painters tape>Cut rocks and hills out of Styrofoam>Throw on bits to taste>Lather it all in texture paintJust give it a try, there's not really a wrong way of doing it, it's the end result that counts.
>>96877715>I wouldn't really have a use for it beyond printing the one terrain set, though I guess I could start printing firearms or the like.You never know, might get some use out of one for miscellaneous doohickeys, stylized objective markers that blend in with the terrain better, bases, and vehicles or titans, to an extent. Maybe some other weird hobby-related, overengineered solutions that are not worth buying directly.>>96877724NTA but here.https://files.catbox.moe/oo3gsl.pdf
What happened to Forges of Saturn? Did discussion peter out already or are anons holding their breath for scans?
>>96877760That's a good point anon, I'll experiment!>>96877784I hadn't thought about objective markers and tokens anon, that's a good point. What's a good entry level printer? There's a guy selling a lightly used Flashforge 5M printer near me, do you have any experience with that model? Thanks for the files!
>>96877804There wasn't much to discuss, it was a hook with 2 generic units (saturnine command squad fucks, saturnine centurion is mid), one legion specific unit (WB demon saturnine also fuck), and 3 missions (all 3 are good, generally better than base game ones in every way)There you go, that's the whole discussion
>>96877837He would be a Halloween girlie
>>96877836Oh sorry and a new discipline for the thousand sons, which has a good power to heal dreads and a medium power to do damageThere, thats really it
>>96877836>>96877847What about fluff then?
>>96877836Do we not have scans of the missions yet? It's basically the only part I'm interested in
>>96877836Two legion-specific units, TS also had some saturnine unit that I was too lazy to read.
>>96877808Bambu A1 seems to be the general consensus with entry level recommendations. But I'm mostly coasting off a few contacts at a fledgling LGS that sometimes print things, namely terrain and shit like these. Seen some pictures of people using FDM + resin for titans, the former lending the core and the latter for the finer details. /3dpg/ can't seem to agree on which material should be used for bases, so it's probably just preference.
>>96877862NTA but have some 'tube screencaps. It's the best I can provide while waiting for the booklet.
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>>96877889>>96877888Thanks anon!
They do be like this.
>>96877888Am I tripping or is there not a 3rd regular mission? One where defenders replace line with vanguard and score any objective attackers don't control while the objectives move back?Did I hallucinate it??
>>96877928There is a third mission but I only spotted it in a GMG vid and those look like crap.
Speaking of FoS, there's some curious fluff at the end of the War of Bitter Iron.>THE SATURNINE DISTORTION>Having bloodied themselves against the Loyalists for the first time, the Phraetus Anointed would grow in prominence among the armies of Colchis in the months and years to follow, their number and tally of victories multiplying in equal measure. Where the Chapter of the Dark Heart's veteran Terminators served as the elite of the Traitor hosts defending the Colchisian Satrapy, the Phraetus were an elite among even these, and where they were fielded, Loyalist onslaughts transformed into crushing defeats or bitter stalemates. In time, their deployment to a specific warzone would form part of an ever bloodier escalation that would eventually culminate in the invocation of profane rituals and the unleashing of technological horrors of calamitous potency, obliterating armies and shattering worlds.>Of their opposites, the Iron Hands who descended upon Milhand are known to have recovered the broken remains of the handful of Phraetus Anointed felled during the conflict, seemingly unfazed by the heinous practices employed in their fabrication. These were then transported to the archive-vaults of Syban, which had become a local repository of archaeotech, psyarkana and profane artefacts for the Iron Hands' campaign, before the damaged suits disappeared from all known records. In less than a year, distorted Saturnine elements would appear among the Medusans' ranks in turn, the infamous ‘Helwrought’, whose unfathomable resilience was only matched by the array of archaeotech weaponry they brought to bear. Some hypothesise that these nigh-undying juggernauts were one of many secret weapons hoarded by the Xᵗʰ Legion within the Vaults of Mimir long before the Horus Heresy, for few indeed would openly speculate that one of the Emperor's loyal Legions might have turned the accursed makings of the Phraetus to their own ends.So IH likely deployed daemon tech.
>>96876653For all of them. They're power source is disc shaped. The pistols it's just more obvious.
>>96878032It's okay when loyalists do it.
>>96877966here
>>96878032>HelwroughtWell it might have been fucking nice to get rules for the Saturnine units being referred to by name in the book that sells itself as the Saturnine rules expansion.
>still no faq in if stable flyers ignore the snapshot penalty on certain flight missionsWording implies some flyers have a way around this and the only thing that actually does anything is the stable flyer rule because it's a more specific rule. Though unclear if that's intentional.
>>96878129They're saving those for Journal Tactica: Forges of Saturn: Part Two: Too Many Colons: Vulkan's Gift.
>>96878129But anon, then they wouldn't have enough content for the legion specific tactica journals probably going to be codexes in disguise that GW has already been planning!
>>96878032>>96878129Are there any other specific variants named in the booklet? Do EC get one?
>>96878222EC were more interested in "modifying" the saturnine suit pilots, rather than the armour itself. This has to mean EC fucknugget marines are canon
>>96878222Some that come to mind>DA's Naufragia war crimes division were retconned from Cata into Sat>SW called theirs Draugr, basically meaning revenants, for reasons I can't recall>NL didn't have a named variant IIRC but individual officers got bulk orders of Sat armor from Ulan Huda that somehow deviated from the classic pattern (by being lower spec)>IH fielded their Helwrought mentioned above>WE vets couldn't well use Sat armor because of their brain damage, so armor was allotted to inductii with minimal brain damage who formed Sat units called Endurati>WB had their Phraetus Anointed>Sallies didn't so much have a variant as they had a bunch of veteran Pyre Wardens who'd gotten hands-on Sat experience for years before other legions got the blueprints>RG just threw their suits at the Deliverers and let them do their usual thingMight be others but this is just what I remember right now.
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>>96878317Are there any good AL bits in the compilation?
>>96878317can you post at least part of their Lamodeia trip? in summary you mentioned something along the lines of >they get there but everything is already destroyed but they see that it is a cover up do they consider Dorn paranoid retard after that or are they aware that there was something fucky going on there but there's just no evidence now?
>>96878309All of those sound much cooler than WB's shove a daemon into it or TS's we do magic
>>96878411No they don't.
>>96876468The range difference on banestrikes feels significant. Plus theyre only breaching 6+ right?Plus seekers have their potential for status utility on top of it all. I wouldnt say seekers are some massively oppressive unit, but theyre excellent in their role. At 30" you can safely trade fire with many units, at 18" thats less true, and headhunters are not very durable. They do do slightly more damage vs power armor, but that comes at the cost of having to be exposed to do it. Headhunters feel more like suicide melta troops still, while seekers can do that similar job at range and then provide CC as needed.
>>96878424headhunters are outclassed by vets with combi-banestrike anywayideally, you want to give headhunters combi-weapons and multi-meltas because they're good as they infiltrateif you're giving them combi-banestrike, just take vets or seekers instead
>>96878434>headhunters are outclassed by vets with combi-banestrike anywayvets dont have precision (which is a pretty nifty rule), but yea for raw DPS tactical vets are probably better
>>96878442plus vets have 2 wounds
>>96878355They don't feature at all except for one marine Wraight mentions one time as part of the traitor gang and then he never appears again.>>96878401They really say nothing to him and leave.
>>96878454I think headhunters could get bumped to two wounds whilst keeping their current point cost, and still an average unit at best. If only they had 2 attacks so they could actually get some use out of those power daggers and hatred (characters) ...
>>96878466Nothing on the III either then?
>>96878475>Feelgrim
>>96878475Just their leftovers on Terra getting dismantled barehanded by Vulkan.
would love to make some veteran breachersy'know, if GW released that plastic kit
>>96878522Isn't it supposed to be shown this weekend? Or when is that preview thing?
>>968785297th/8th of november
>>96878529they showed off a plastic breacher when they revealed the plastic MK2 assault squadwe have the assault squad, but no breachershell, we still don't have angron who was revealed in FEBUARY
>>96878535Who cares about Angron, it's resin and literally the worst sculpt I've ever seen. I'll bet they're postponing it as much as they can because there's a plastic(with it's own sculpt issues, but still plastic) kit.
>>9687853930k angron looks better than that giant red ork
>>96878562even if that was true. the "red ork" is in plastic. and even the uglies plastic beats resin.
>>96878466they really just leave without saying anything I expected anything, even some short throwaway dialogue. On one hand they are probably a little disapointed and might consider Dorn going a little insane but on the other hand entire fucking moon glassed is also evidence that something happened therethanks for the photos anyways
>>96878562Congratulations on your transition
>>96878562>giant red ork
>>96877889>Traitors didn't deploy faturninesOdd
>>96878808They didn't have many of those in the Dropsite Massacre.
>>96878926>>96878926>>96878926
>>96877357>Venerable Hellfire Dreadnought
>>96874355>Firedrakes have been nerfed every edition since firstWhy do you speak as if Firedrakes weren't a top 2 termie option in 1.0? This is the closest they've ever been to okay.
