>Previous thread:>>96837162>What is /awg/?A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.>Examples of games that qualify.A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,Deadzone, Dragon Rampant, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, Judge Dredd,HeroClix, Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,Oathmark, OnePageRules, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, StarCraft, Stargrave, Sludge, Urban War, Void,Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenos Rampant, Xenotactics......and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.Archon Studio, Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Mantic, North Star Military Figures,OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, Seb Games, Spellcrow, TTCombat, Victrix, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games......and many other publishers.>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edithttps://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AXhttps://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zg>Hobby Challenge theme for Octoberhttps://strawpoll.com/GPgVYBPYEna/results>TQOctober came to its end. Show us your entries for the monthly Hobby Challenge
At the very least the StarCraft game should have a rule to start with a choice of buildings and said units will respawn as long as their building isn't destroyed. After Halo Flashpoint release it's not even such an alien or risky thing anymore.
>Zenit shipping the KS to the USA Hooray!>up to 20% tariffI retract that hooray.
I NEED THE STARCRAFT TABLETOP GAME RIGHT NOW!
Anyone got an English scan of the Chronopia Sons of Kronos rulebook? TIA!
>>96877690Then tell them to hire marketing specialists to promote it because now it is all but unknown.
>>96877690I wonder if StarCraft will be yet another case of /tg/ underestimating the nostalgia-driven demand and turn out to be successful (by alternative wargames standard of course).
>>96874900They are on par with GW quality. I think everyone who has their stuff says the same thing. I got their Beholder and Townsfolk box a while back and they are very decent, looking at Trench Crusade's sprues they really caught up to GW.
>>96877690The Chernobyl Green grass is /grog/ kino, not gonna lie.
>>96877858What is this GW quality meme? I built a MESBG Troll Cave few months ago and the gaps around his neck and shoulders plus left side were massive. About a month ago I built a free Space Marine sprue and it was finnicky as fuck with lots of fiddly parts for what ended up being a monopose figurine anyway.
>>96878141Never had Cave Trolls so not sure what they are like but I'm into Horus Heresy and kits for it are very good
>>96878141>I built a MESBG Troll Cave few months ago and the gaps around his neck and shoulders plus left side were massiveNext time check the release date on the sprue - that should answer your question.
>>96878141GW quality myth is spread by 40kuck who worship GW and try to justify the outrageous price to themselves. Their plastic quality is pretty good and has very minimal mold lines, but they are all absolutely dogshit to assemble and the sculpting of the models themselves are really bad. It's really obvious a lot of their newer models were made by interns working for peanuts. They routinely fuck up basic anatomical proportions. Pic related example, how long would someone neck have to be to fit in this costume?
>>96878200Sculpting and the actual design of the miniature has nothing to do with production quality. GW plastics have zero flash (very common with some Warlord kits for example) and almost no mold lines. Archon is very much identical in that regard. They too, have bad sculpts and sometimes mediocre designs, but the production quality is excellent. Since with StarCraft, the design is not their own, the result should be great, if you like the StarCraft design to begin with.
When is the starcraft miniature game supposed to come out?
>>96878264Early next year. preorder starts in December.
>>96877768It should have a pretty good launch just b/c nostalgia selling starter sets, but who knows if it will have any legs.
>>96878304The initial sales/preorder stuff is guaranteed to be good, but the rules need to be good enough to keep people interested in it, thats for sure.
>>96878264>>96878287Pre-orders start around January / February, they said they need to iron some things out. Here's some more info if you are interestedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGRY9Y9qWWE
>>96878159Its like 25 years old at this point, isn't it?
I'm in need of some 15mm werewolves with rifles. My 15mm range knowledge is not great - I basically just know the Battlefront stuff for Team Yankee/FoW, the existence of Peter Pig, and that's about it. Any pointers on where I should be looking? I'm okay with having to do some conversion work, though I'm not great with metal models (lack of experience with them outside Infinity).
Steamforged decided to get spooky and do some necromancy for Halloween.THE DEAD RISE!
I don't want to play with v3.5 slop. Is it possible to find OPR v3.4.4 books still somewhere?
Its spooky Halloween day. Post your stuff guys.
>TQ I didn't do the October hobby challenge. Doing Halloween theme was retarded, I'm not going to buy models for a monthly challenge than I can't use outside of Halloween.
>>96878676OK fag.
>>96878689I have more sex with women than you, fag
>>96878676>He doesn't have a single army that could use skeletons/zombies/mummies/witches/bats/literally any kind of monsters or spooky scenery or even objective markersLack of imagination? No-models perhaps?
>>96878701Lol sure thing fag boy. How about you post any model or game instead of crying about something you didn't want to participate in to begin with?
>>96878611I wanted to upload them, but then I realized I only have 3.4.1
>>96878662Here are some of my spooky lads... And the pitmommy.
>>96878819The only ones I need are Age of Fantasy Skirmish books. I have no idea how I ended up not saving them considering it's my favourite OPR game.
>>96878880SickThose dogs are creepy.
>>96878714Nope. I don't have and am not interested in an undead fantasy army
>>96878949Mind showing us your /awg/ armies then?
>>96878968I don't need to prove myself to you, fat boy
>>96878567Steamforged should let GB lie peacefully in the grave they dug for it.Rat bastards.>>96878880What's that pyramid head guy?
>>96879034Lmao, colour me surprised. I accept your concession.
>$40
>>96879135Plastic terrain/scenery stuff is always overpriced.
>>96879050Brother of silence by bestiarum miniatures.
>>96877479>TQHere is my project. It was really fun doing a themed challenge and I'm looking forward to the next one.
>>96879135>>96879147While true, it should never reach, or exceed, GW prices.
>>96879248Sexy. Makes my ghosts look like little wussies.
>>96878880take more pics of the cavalry please. ARe those blasphemous inspired¿
>>96879439I can take some more after I've come back from MMA training.
>>96879439>ARe those blasphemous inspired¿Yeah, the entire line he's using to convert the pyramid head was pretty directly inspired by Blasphemous 1. Tempted me badly at the time, had other projects.
>>96879050I legitimately figured the Lamplighters were essentially going to be the only 'new' thing they put out after the relaunch.The crossover models look pretty good.
>>96878819>>96878908were there rulebooks for 3.4.4? I scraped the entire site for GF, GFF, AOF and AOFS, but I only have the rulesbooks for 3.4.1, only the armylists were 3.4.4
>>96877737I have the base game and though I haven't played it in oh, about 16 years, I can tell you the minis suck. They're full of random spikey bits and odd angles and tiny so they look like knockoffs of the original designs. It's as if they didn't get the license for the game and had to do not-starcraft minis. Just for that it's overpriced.
>>96877479My October project. Didn't check the scale so she's way too big to use as anything other than a boss monster, but it was fun non the less
>>96880242Sex.
>>96880219Also I don't recall it being a game where you build bases and micromanage the different buildings for resources, but rather where you compete with the other players to claim different planets instead.
>>96880044I assume they've co-opted the community council effort to keep the game alive and healthy re: ongoing balances and releasing the actual finished complement of fucking guilds.Fans were writing, sculpting and releasing [free] product so that GB would live for several years after being axed, and I'm honestly surprised the dogs that run SFG allowed the enthusiasts still employed there to return to releasing official product for it.
>>96879439Here you go. Lordsguard cavalry from Bestiarum miniatures. Great designs, but I wish the spear shafts etc. Were sturdier, as they snap easily.>>96879780I thought they were inspired by silent hill?
>>96880469Nice, I Really like them, the helmets give a very Insectoid/mosquitoe like vibe.
>>96880500Yeah it's basically an exaggerated hounskull bascinet. The bestiarum team have a great eye for aesthetics. However, I wish they made the models a bit sturdier and released more multipart kits. Also thought of buying the turnip28 lancer kit, as they are modular, have pistols and disgusting hairless mutant horses. Would fit to that army quite well. Just need to buy the 2nd edition of dragon rampant and try make my son play it with me instead of just Xenos rampant.
>>96880549They look easy to customize, but then turnip is a lot for that.
>>96880109No, there were no 3.4.4 rulebooks indeed. Only armybooks received update v3.4.4. If you have armybooks v3.4.4 for Skirmish, I would be grateful for sharing.
>>96880242I want to lick her tummy.
>>96878701>He doesn't uphold monogamy like an exemplary member of society.Unsurprisingly, you also own no models, hate fun challenges and are a faggot.
It's the 31st already and still no Dragon Rampant 2e pdf. Life is pain.
>>96880697I've seen some points calculators done in excel floating in Facebook. They contain the new fantastical rules too.
>>96879147Yeah it's even worse if you get into scale models and dioramas
>>96879093Imagine not owning a single alien or monster or anything fantastic, but still posting in awg. Even a /hwg/rog should pick up a graveyard or something at some point.
>>96880607hope this workshttps://gofile . io/d/SOoSIG
>>96880939Very based of you, thanks.
>>96878159If you reread my post you'll see I got a very recent sprue that was released last year for all I know.>>96878200>>96878232Oh, maybe there was not much moldline on the free Primaris thingy? Dunno. Didn't pay it too much attention because I was trying to fit all of these tiny pieces that no monopose should ever have any right to throw at your face. Anyway thanks for answering my clueless ass.
>>96881040>I got a very recent sprue that was released last year for all I knowI don't think so. The only plastic Cave Troll GW released is pic related and the mold is from 2005. It makes it older than most Anons in this thread. There is no other plastic Cave Troll in GW's model range so you either don't even know the name of the kit you bought or don't understand the difference between the kit release date and kit manufacturing date.
>>96878389The Cave Troll sure is but the 32mm Space Marine was released last year for all I know and it was a very frustrating experience in its own way. Plus I could already read back then how GW was so fantastic so I was genuinely surprised by how both kits had their own huge issues when I started working on it.>>96879135Fuck me. Now it's guaranteed the sick church loot kit will be the same absurd pricing.
>>96881103>It makes it older than most Anons in this thread.come on, no way...
>>96879093>>96880933Not that I want to interrupt you gatekeepers continuing to violently make out with each other every thread but since when was the bar lowered from nogames to nominis
>>96881204Post games
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>>96881103Sorry Luigi I realize where we got mixed up. I wasn't claiming my Cave Troll was very recent; I pointed out to you the second part of my first post: a very recent Space Marine kit that came with it's own issues.For me there was no point focussing on the Cave Troll being old because the newer SM dismiss any "such where the times" argument. Given, the shitiness cursor has moved quite a bit and it's not about gaps anymore. Hurray I guess.
>>96881204>since when was the bar lowered from nogames to nominisSince people our age started to end up with full-time families, 60-hour workweeks and/or cancer. I only see my mates once every 3-4 weeks if stars align and I would play a wargame only once every 2-3 months if it wasn't for my wife that is not so much into wargaming but she enjoys painting miniatures. I have hard time to shit on people for not playing games but the hobby aspect of wargaming is something that is being done in solitary in most cases anyway so there are no excuses.
>>96881118>>96881119>>96881322>Our ageJust curious, how old are people here? I'm soon turning 41 myself.
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>>96881204Having zero minatures is a sign that an anon dosen't play games. It'd be like asking a ttrpg player to post his character sheet.
>>96880316What are these dudes from?
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>>96881513The big dude is one of the new konflict 47 germans and the bodyshield looks like one of the americans from the same
>>9688145537 in 2 months.
>>96881455Nearly 30, but none of the things >>96881322 said apply to me.Still, I'm studying a second degree and writing a book, also happily autistic with very little social interaction, which leaves little space for games but lots for hobby time.
>>9688145545. This thread has some of the oldest oldfags on the site.>>96877479Taking child out for the night with folks out-of-town, will try to have pics up for the challenge tomorrow
>>9688145535, started teaching my son how to play wargames so that I don't have to memorize GW churn (which is fine if you play with decent people). This week we put together a box of stargrave automatons so that he got to choose which parts to use from the sprue. He giggle triumphantly at the thought of making a figure with a chainsaw and a flamethrower for arms and laser eyes.
>>96881576>some of the oldest oldfagsI'd say that's /hwg/, no snark intended, but back when I was a regular there, I remember some 60+ year old anons posting.Then again, it's been long enough that they may not be around anymore.
>>96881322I'm not saying we should bully no-games, but it's Alternative War Games, not Alternative Miniature Collecting.
>>96881599I remember 60-70 years olds posting on /b/ 20 years ago when I first came here. Feels weird to know they're probably gone. Feels weirder to have had lewd Skype calls with a sixty year old mega milf.
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>>96881667There's little difference for most people in the hobby
>>9688145540. No wife and kids or friends anymore really. But I can still wargame against myself too.
>>96881576>45.sup bro
Artizan, part of North Star miniatures, has some new interesting sci-fi stuff>>96881675Lucky bastard, love an older woman me
>>9688145537. I actually get weekly games now, even if they are done via Tabletop Simulator and voice chat. It lacks the charm of in-person but at least I get quality time with my best friend.>>96881774>Lucky bastard, love an older woman meNever give up, Anon. I met my girlfriend through a game and we're happy as hell, even if she is technically what the kids call a hag now. I'm still going to fertilize those eggs. No power on Heaven or Earth will stop me from spawning my autistic kids.
>>96881793I have a gym bunny gf my own age (33)But it's not the same lad. I want to be some mature woman's plaything.
>>96881667>it's Alternative War Games, not Alternative Miniature CollectingThere is a reason why people keep saying that wargaming is 90% hobby and 10% gaming.
>>9688145535. My wife can't be bothered but my boy is now old enough so it's less "yeah okay local mate we'll play 40k" and more "check daddy's new game!"I sure don't have the time to spend all arvo on the bed reading dense rulebooks and army crafting anymore but I've been well served by Xenotactics, Ravenfeast, Ruthless, any Osprey, etc. Waiting for a liberated copy of Dragon Rampant 2 so I can introduce the boy to Lord of the Rings.
Also don't forget we are a dying breed. GW selling more and more shit every year is hardly boosting interest in other games since Zoomies are happy with whatever slop they have on hand and don't even feel the need to explore anything else.
>>96881802Mine is a year younger than I am. As amusing as it would be to try to get an older woman and be the younger boytoy, I'm genuinely in love and very happy. Grass is plenty green where I stand and that's fine with me. Plus she loves miniature wargaming.
>>9688145532 going on 33
>>96881821>Waiting for a liberated copy of Dragon Rampant 2 so I can introduce the boy to Lord of the RingsI know MESBG is a GW's game BUT the previous edition is not supported anymore therefore I see no reason to not recommend it. It's simply a great game, all the books have been pirated long time ago and Oathmark kits make for great LotR minis.
>>96881827I know I'm getting old because I went to a model train store looking for specific basing materials and only stopped myself from walking out with an entire N scale setup because I have too many hobbies and not enough tables already. I don't even like trains that much.
>>96881858I know that feeling far too well.
>>96881675>60 year oldThat's disgusting anon.
>>96881845Thanks but I love "real-time" combat resolution à la Lion Rampant/Infinity were both party roll at the same times too much. There's no way back for me I'm afraid lads.
>>9688145534.
>>96881910She looked early 40's. She was a personal trainer and... well I will not go into further detail in /awg/ of all places.
>>96881957I wish the snakemen in frostgrave actually somewhat resembled the art on the front of the box.
Wow, actually disturbing to think I'm both the youngest and probably hottest and most fit anon in this thread. I will keep this in mind when posting from now on. Much to think about
Enjoy your functioning knees and metabolism capable of processing alcohol and caffeine at the same time while you can.
>>96881793God speed Tylenol bro. >>96882544>most fitPost bench
>>9688254413 years ago I was posting nearly the same post. How time passes, huh?
>>96882544>most fit anon in this thread.Plenty of /fit/ posters in /awg/, surprisingly. Zero regret being a fa/tg/uy who shed the actual fat and started a daily work out plan and healthy diet. I want to play more games, paint more minis and enjoy /awg/ to the fullest.
>>96882774Post 5k time, lard ass
>>96883211>Avoiding the questionConfirmed dyel. >5k time Dunno desu I use the stair climber for those leg gains. I usually do a couple hundred flights if stairs.
>>9688145531.I play once a month for Mordheim and been trying to set up Burrows and Badgers in my area
>>96882544>actually disturbing to think I'm both the youngest and probably hottest and most fit anon in this threadYes, that level of delusion IS pretty concerning.
Reaper Pumpkin demon, not technically finished because the basing material I wanted to use vanished, how spooky.
>>96881827At least GW used to fill a useful function in the wargaming space by bringing in kids that might eventually move to better games. Now they're focused on squeezing the kids that previous iterations of GW brought in 10-20 years ago, probably leading to a massive collapse in their own playerbase eventually as people get older.
>>96880962sweet, glad it worked. Out of interest, whats up with 3.5? I was about to scrape all the lists again but heard there was some drastic changes so was waiting for it to settle down. Is it still in a bit of a state? I thought it was just adding some rules to make things a bit more unique?
>>96878611gofile . io/d/BFAeki
>>96883911They tried to make shit more unique and totally-not-Warhammer which lead them to turn OPR into even bigger keyword soup. The update was half-assed at best so the rules, naming and interactions are not even consistent. They will sort it out eventually but personally I see no reason to switch to v3.5 if I was perfectly happy with v3.4.
>>96883994I think you have to change the privacy settings for all armybook folders.
>>9688145529.
>>96883222I ignored the question because it's retarded and proves you're a fat ass. Fatties ALWAYS fall back on the bench press because it takes zero athleticism or fitness ability to lay on your back and press for 5 seconds of effort. In fact, if the "sport" of powerlifting is any indication, the bench press even FAVORS being a fatass. Whereas any young athletic and fit male is able to run a decent 5k, something that is prohibitive to fatties and old broken losers. Meanwhile, I regularly see old 60+ year old boomers who are built like used tires laying on the bench repping out 250, 275, 400+. Can you run a max effort 5k? Can you rep out 10 clean pullups? If you can't then you're not fit and no one cares about your bench press fatty
>>96884280Obsessed and off-topic. Buy minis and touch grass.
>>96884280You're the one that claimed you were the fittest. You didn't have to type out all the cope.Post games noodle arms.
>>96884280>Can you run a max effort 5k? I'm not saying cardio isn't important for health, but it's definitely a skeleton cope. You aren't fit if you aren't strong. >Can you rep out 10 clean pullups?I'm mostly doing 220lb lat pulldowns so I don't have to fuck with adding extra weight with a belt.
>>96884581>Lat pulldowns Pullups for fat people
>>96884280gtfo with this poser bullshit attitude, you are on a weeb forum in a thread about plastic soldiers. Nobody gives a shit about your athleticism, the only people that care about gym bores are other gym bores and you should all fuck off elsewhere to talk that terminally dull bullshit.
>>96884280I kinda agree desu. The bench and other lifts are for training for sports. Thinking the lift itself is the sport is cope for losers that couldn't play sports in their youth
Normalfags OUT
>>96881922You probably don't know this, but that's exactly how MESBG works, both sides roll at the same time and you determine who won the duel, and then that miniature(s) gets to try and kill the opponent(s).
>>96877479Didn't mean to but ended up painting something suitable for the October challenge.Trying out a suggestion from a youtube. Under painted it with two colours, web blending them in the middle. Then painted out some of the highlights with bright paint.It was then lacking some "pop", mostly due to not having done any shading. Using a sepia wash kinda fixed that, although the colours ended up a bit washed out
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>>96885611
>>96884705Oh okay. Any cool article or video batrep to share so I can see if there's more for me here?
Just ordered the Trench Crusade Plastics through Goblin and saved £10 vs ordering them from Archon/
>>96884019you are right, shoudl work now
>>96885601>>96885611>>96885622I like it
>>96884671>>losers that couldn't play sports in their youthHey buddy chill. some of us did better at schoolwork than football.
>>96885601Cute!---Anons, anyone knows if the warmachine/hordes game has teh concept art somewhere?
>>96886358Wow you took your state propaganda education more seriously thsn me?! You surely must be some sort of scholar or scientist, right anon?!
>>96886545He sure sounds smarter than you, which is not much
>They think achievement is a competition and not a collaborative effort between peers in the interest of mutual betterment.SadnessNo matter how much you bench, being a cunt will always make you a weak coward.
>>96886545Actually I'm a failed scholar. I threw away my doctorate studies at UCLA a couple years ago. Just didn't want to do the research papers I had to do so I flushed my free ride away.
>>96886827Sounds to me like you're a tard who makes poor choices
>>96886858I fucking agree
>>96886858Where do you think you are?
>>96886873Just imagine the life of a carnie
>>96886979They're called "Showmen" in the UK and are intertwined with both the Irish Travellers and Roma Gypsies and suchI live in Hull which has the largest travelling Fair in Europe
I'm no furry or anthro freak, but one of the local LGSs that sells second hand stuff too also has a £2 per miniature 3D printed sectionI liked the look of this 40mm-base sized sci-fi rabbit enough to get him for Stargrave. Every warband needs a big guy and a small guy, it's the law.
>>96884671Sounds like something a guy with small biceps would say.
>>96887543Those are tiny ears for a bunny. Makes him look like a rodent.
>>9688145552. I win.
>>96888541Post double biceps
>>96890205Sounds to me like you lose, actually
>>96890205I kneel
>>96890205Oldo fago...
>>96890205Based grog.How much do you bench?What AWGs do you play?>>96890212Maybe I'll take one at the gym today anon, just for you.
>>96891435You won't
>>96881455>Just curious, how old are people here? I'm soon turning 41 myself.36
Do you guys think this guy is one of the chill posters or does vitriol increase with age?>>96890205
>>9688145535
>>96892155He's probably the fag who seethes about history posters
>>96892421Or the guy that starts a melodramatic rant every so often about his crippling disabilities and hand cramps lmao
>>96892421... which means you are the /hwg/ schizo. Good to know you are still around.
>>96890205Just this year anon. Are your affairs in order.
>>96892421He's obviously the history poster. Unless there's any 80 year olds in the thread
>>96892680Actually, I'm the youngest guy in the thread
>>96892775I meant the 53 year old stupid
>>96881455I'm 68. Can't really paint anymore after a whole life of labor before being discarded as soon as my hands couldn't follow the churn. Lately I've been trying these AK acrylics and they do me fine, but mostly I keep busy reading books about the Roman Empire, War of the Rose (my favorite), black powder era and Napoleonic. Lately it's been a book a week and I've developed quite the knowledge regarding armor authenticity. In fact I can spot any wrong paldron or breech on any miniature within seconds. It's obviously not the case with any of you here since you refuse to admit being part of the hobby is opening a book at least once in your life and my effort posts always goes to waste.Amicalement,Armand
>>96892680>>96892933ahahahahaah I fucking told you guys.
>>96891443At the gym now. Say >Please Daddy
I can't be posting with literal grandpas. It seems wrong to call them faggots.
>>96892922I am both the youngest person ITT and the history poster
>>96893268You can't be the youngest AND 68. Argument denied.
>>96892933>Rivet counting>In my /awg/If we're to believe life expectancy averages, then thankfully we'll finally be free of your shitposting within the year.>>96893076Worry not, anon.The average Boomer has sucked more cock than you'd expect.
>>96893291But I can be the youngest and 69 your mother. Touche.
>>96892933We're Armand posting now, where am I and what year is it?
Still no Dragon Rampant 2 pdf?
>>96893970I am both the youngest AND 68. You want me to draw the hands on the clock where?
>>96892933>In fact I can spot any wrong paldron or breech on any miniature within seconds. It's obviously not the case with any of you here since you refuse to admit being part of the hobby is opening a book at least once in your life and my effort posts always goes to waste.Your effort goes to waste because we are not counting buttons in /awg/. This thread is for fantasy games and unless the authenticity is your priority by your own choice, it doesn't matter.
