Previous: >>96873571No Maximum Hand Size Edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ:What is your favourite game action? e.g. drawing cards, destroying creatures, attacking people, etc
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>>96879106>What is your favourite game action? e.g. drawing cards, destroying creatures, attacking people, etcDestroying mana bases with banned cards and watching people seethe.
We need better TQs >favorite 6 cost artifact?
Happy Halloween anon!
>gains access to 50+ more red pips with the hybrid changeIt's wheeling time.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96879106>What is your favourite game action? e.g. drawing cards, destroying creatures, attacking people, etcDoing something that once done can't be undone. Putting a sticker on a commander, getting an emblem, putting a takeover/cage counter on a card.
>>96879134Anon, Sheldon said you're supposed to disclose banned cards during the hour you spend on rule 0 before every game!
>>96879153https://archidekt.com/decks/14041500/burning_chaos_in_the_windI think this might be the only mono colored commander I'd add hybrid pips to because clive does absorb other summon powers
>>96879171So are you a new autist, or the same one that spams slop/ub shit non-stop? also, who the fuck is sheldon, stop being a nigger, and commander/edh has been doing fine as a format until people starting playing super competitively like a bunch of fucking retard because wotc ruined all other formats.
>>96879189>who the fuck is sheldon
>>96879171>the same kind of poster that pubstomps, gets shamed for being a faggot then posts here whining about rule 0 and how unfair everyone is to him
>>96879171Who the fuck is Sheldon?
>>96879179>https://archidekt.com/decks/14041500/burning_chaos_in_the_windGood list. Pretty much the angle I was going to shoot for with the red clone effects and mass-pinging.Very surprised to not see Fanatic of Mogis in here though, this was the first card I thought of when I brainstormed. With the hybrid change, Boros Reckoner has to make it in. With Clive transforming and with Fiery Emancipation out, you can essentially dome someone for 81 damage (9 from Ifrit, times 3 is 27. Reckoner's trigger times three for 81).
>>96879199Sheldon is a character from Theros, newfag.
Avatar's Wrath2WWSorceryChoose up to on target creature, then Airbend all other creatures.Until your next turn, your opponents can't cast spells from anywhere other than their hand.Exile Avatar's Wrath.This seems pretty damn good? Four mana for a semi-one sided boardwipe. You get to keep your best creature and rebuild one turn earlier than your opponents, plus every token just goes to shit and no death triggers happen. On a later turn this is pretty backbreaking
>>96879199He's... he's... the most important person in history! You're supposed to honor his vision for the format! You're not supposed to ignore his guidelines!!!
>>96879229yes this is a huge blowoutonesided boardwipe and your opponents don't even get to START rebuilding until after your next turn, it's brutal,
>>96879199The Bazooka guy.
>>96879230this guy was probably in my pod last night>have master of ceremonies out>oh fuck I have both tempts and enough mana to cast them>cast both>no one wants to copy tempt with reflections>or make a copy of master of ceremonies>faggot uses cyc rift at the end of my turn
>>96879229POWERFUL
>>96879254>7 open mana blue player
>>96879277>make 3 treasures with master of ceremonies on turn 5
>>96879131No
>>96879229Yeah this is obscene. In a lot of decks this is gonna be 4 mana win the game
>blew up my sol ring>then blew up my signet next turn>never really recovereddamnI guess trygon in the command zone is pretty ok.
>>96879355w,hf!
I'm not angry about the thing
I'm thinking about putting this in my deck with minds desire/dance with a calamity as a kind of meme self destruct button
>>96879384great post, definitely not a waste of space.
Ask a guy who spent 426 on the PlayStation secret lair anything.
What do we think of the original commander rules?
>>96879423Some bizarre rules that were clearly based off the creators having an axe to grind about certain things
>>96879423>wefuck of reddit
>>96879423Absolutely fucking based
>>96879417>costs as much as a playstationI think, I haven't checked but jfc
>>96879387If you actually run this card, and I see it, I'm telling the judge and forcing a loss on you. Enough is enough.
>>96879423Claimed
>>96879387Why not Sudden Substitution?
Threw together Melek "big mana" control. It's enjoyable, though randoms don't seem to appreciate the strategy once it's in full swing. Two games in a row now I've gotten to steal someone else's high-power creature and then Chandra's Ignition it.>Supplant Form a Yargle & Multani one game>Spelljack a Serra AvatarDidn't win that second game but damn it felt good.
>>96879387Now that's what I call a combo
>>96879417How can there be a PlayStation Secret Lair if PlayStation has no games?
>>96879511We have to reverse this recent trend of retards just taking pictures of sprawled out cards. I can’t even recognize most of these.Use a fucking website.
>>96879540>can't recognize the cardsSorry you're new!
>>96879540people posting their paper decks is infinitely more sovl and filters nogames from people who play Magic
>>96879540>I'm a newfag who can't recognize card names>I can't read at all in fact>pander to me
>>96879511>timestopVery nice list. It appears battlecruiser is back on the menu and I for one approve.
>>96879511>powerbalance/Counterbalance Even with a bunch of cards like brainstorm and SDT I have yet to cast something for free off that bitch. I have never been so mad at a card in my life.Good luck!
>gets shit on for posting pics instead of list>bunch of faggots crawl out of the woodwork to compliment him This place is turning into reddit.All you faggots who feel compelled to combat negativity with fake positivity come from broken homes
>>96879571Yeah, battle cruiser counterspells was the intent behind the deck. It feels real good to resolve Melek with mana open knowing you've got a bunch of 4-6-mana cards just sitting in your hand.It gets blown out if your opponent plays two dangerous spells in a turn, but it's not meant to be a particularly tight deck.>>96879591Powerbalance in this deck has a better chance of hitting when it matters. With the curve packed into the 5-6 mana range with a lot of counterspells, if your opponent is playing something big and threatening you have the chance to arbitrarily blow them the fuck out.I've only gotten to resolve the powerbalance once thusfar, but it did land a Bribery which let me steal a Void Winnower off an eldrazi mouthbreather.>>96879605I think you might just be mentally ill.
>>96879423Based. I'm claiming my waifu.
>>96879618>a bunch of 4-6-mana cards just sitting in your hand.oh shit I only just realized this wasn't original melek lmaoya ever kill anyone with commander damage?
>>96879652NOOOOO, not saffi! Ok I'll just have to claim mine then.
>>96879657I wonder why they're going so in on clue tokens this setI mean it synergizes well with say firebending but still
>>96879662>death triggerheh
>>96879131My playgroup hates it, but it's probably my fairest deck.
>>96879472Are you retarded?
>>96879662so with how many hybrid mana cost cards they're revealing the rule change of hybrid mana is guaranteed to already be pushed right?
>>96879653I've only played like three games with it thusfar but yeah, I won my first game with him that way. He can survive Blasphemous Act with ease and then just come through and beat someone to death. His stats are actually the one thing I dislike about him. Not only does he insta-die to a bojuka bog, it gives me an obvious wincon when I would much prefer to finagle something from the random counter value/steal effects in the deck.
>>96879669>aimless value slop with a commander that snowballs with herselfYeah, I'd hate playing against this too.
>>96879669I too love gold border cards. I fail to see anything particularly egregious here.
Golbaticron!https://moxfield.com/decks/cCGcgb4DNEmGp9an0qy5Dg
>>96879685>aimlessThe aim is "opponent life totals = 0"
>>96879540If you're not a total newfag it's actually easier to parse a deck from a photograph than some list of text on tappedout.
>>96879672Are you? This is not a consensus building platform. "We" do not have a unified position on things. This is a phrase that is used on reddit because it is a consensus building platform. Which is why you should fuck off back to where you came from.
>>96879679Yes, along with removing the banned list and just using CGs and rule 0.
>>96879691this.... this is awful, anon.
>>96879698What I mean is it's dull. The theme of "the best possible suite for token aggro" is not a particularly engaging one. It's not busted or anything, it's mono white after all. And I can surmise you're a competent deckbuilder just from looking at this list.But god it's such a dull fucking deck.
>>96874992>ummm UB is fine when it is an IP I like and Prof and the other youtubers gave me permission to like it :)>The "acceptable UB" shit angers me more than UB. Fucking hypocritical worms.The only UB set close to being acceptable is the clue set, because they literally altered the characters so that they would fit in ravnica. I still feel weird about it
>Color Ideinty>But Hybrid mana is meant to be either!So why not just change the color identity rules? Why make a special exception for hybrids cards? >Upcoming sets have a lot of Hybrid mana cardsOh, I see. So just like "Legendary Vehicles can be commanders now" Happened when a set with some legendary vehicles dropped. So how much time do we have before planeswalkers are blanket allowed as commanders?
>>96879667The art for the avatar cards looks AI generated
>>96879718Would ya kindly provide any deeper feedback? Or do I drop this deck and autopilot a Wilhelt?
>>96879657>My "shirshu" smells like a rat from a continent away"What did she mean by this?
>>96879704So you are retarded. You were told to get mad at things but not why, just what they look like. We is used improperly here when you are trying to speak for some consensus. Asking what "we" (as in the people in the thread) think of something is not a problem. Remember to think about why the things you learn are the way they are, to prevent these kind of fuckups down the line.
>>96879736Abolishing color identity would make every deck run the exact same staples and kinda ruin the format, hybrids are a small amount of mostly niche cards that were always intended to be able to fit thematically into either color.There's no logical reason why allowing them should lead to abolishing color identity as a whole, frankly they should've always worked the way they will soon because that's just more intuitive.
The color identity rules should be more harsh actually. For example, because it produces a token that is all colors, this should only be playable in 5 color decks.
>>96879720This is an interesting thing. I agree with you in principal but the more and more I play edh, the more I'd like to just play magic. Maybe it has something to do with the way they have been printing tools for fucking everything recently, maybe that's just what happens after a decade of building jank ass 100 card singleton decks. There is something to appreciate about his deck, it is clearly trying to do one thing, that thing is very mtg and it's not abusing the structure of edh to get there.
>>96879765>Damn why did Wandering Minstrel shoot up to $80?
>>96879736Changing Hybrid to be "Either" color identity instead of "Both" wouldn't be a special exception, it would be changing the color identity rules. A special exception would be if they were to say, ONLY make 2brid cards count as either. And while it's pretty transparent that they're shifting the rules to sell product, this has been a discussion that's been on the table for decades, but before Sheldon croaked the RC for commander kinda tended to do things at a glacial pace. How many years were they talking about unbanning recurring nightmare again?
>>96879755Wilhelt seems much more your speed
>>96879777Oh, and I forgot to mention, "Special exceptions" concerning hybrid already exist, namely in the form of extort, which has a hybrid mana symbol in the rules text for the ability, but that symbol doesn't count since it's in reminder text.
>>96879736>So how much time do we have before planeswalkers are blanket allowed as commanders?That'll happen sometime after transforming cards and flip cards are allowed in off color decks but before Phyrexian mana cards are allowed in all colours.
>>96879765Should Generous Gift only be played in W/G decks?
>>96879764Intent doesn't matter. Commander has (or had) Color Ident rules set in stone. Color identity is the color symbols on the card. Simple as. This change is purely for selling cards in the future. I do look forward to the inevitable "Planeswalkers as commanders" rules change. Of course I am also sitting on many hybrid mana cards that will be sought after. I bought in as soon as Sheldon died. I do regret not buying copies of coalition victory. >>96879786SEX
>>96879785and another special exemption already arrives in the ATLA set in the form of firebending which generates red but does not give red color identity
Planeswalkers should be commanders by nowAll mono color legends should have partner with other mono color legendsTrue mono color decks should have access to hybrid cardsAnd to the one retard no, tokens should not dictate CI. The color of the token is a property of the token being made not the card making it.
>>96879791Does your brain explode looking at monoC Extort cards and monoB Firebending cards?
>>96879618>>96879571>battlecruiserBattlecruiser is back, baby! >>96879423Bring back EDH! Fuck Commander and fuck WOTC rules.
>all these hybrid cards being spoiled in AvatarFug they really are changing the hybrid mana rule aren't they?
>>96879720Sure, but it's so comfy. It's straightforward, but has plenty of interaction. It's also my anti-U/Simicfag deck. Watching their seething as I swing with 100 power of trade federation battle driods out of nowhere is quite the experience.
So now that hybrid mana is changing. Hear me out. Lands that make "any color" are going to be in demand now any deck can run Beseech the Queen, which means sources that make any color will be used to "cheat" the cost. Stock up on rainbow lands. >>96879797 do we even know if firebending is reminder text or color defining?
>>96879808Nosewater is already running damage control for it by pretending that it makes decks "more creative" because "more options equals better" is the mantra of the retarded with no creativity.
>>96879788Generous Gift should not be played
>>96879817wow, finally lands that can make multiple colors will be worth something
Fit check.My deck box and sleeves for my Karador deck.
>>96879817>do we even know if firebending is reminder textyes, it only appears in the reminder text
>>96879131
>>96879824Well, now monowhite, blue, ect decks will ruin rainbow lands. I'm slotting rainbow lands into my R/G decks to run beseech.
>>96879824I know! It's amazing, especially since I've literally never heard of any multicolor deck that isn't five color running lands that can produce any color of mana before!
>>96879838>R/G decks to run beseechDare I ask why? Green has a myriad of tutors.
>>968798260/10 that is my least favorite color
>>96879840>>96879824You two are being disingenuous to the point I believe you are shills. A mono white deck generally has no reason to run a rainbow land. Now they do. >>96879843>Run narrow Tutors or Demonic Tutor for one more mana?Yeah, most decks will cute a narrow tutor for a slightly more expensive demonic tutor. Mono color decks especially. Beseech is still cheap looks like. May want to buy a copy.
>>96879817>BRO NEW TUTORThere are already colorless tutors. Beseech is literally dogshit. Theres a reason the colorless tutors dont see play cause they suck, but at least they're repeatable and might even put the card directly into play. Fuck sakes you all just parrot the same shit
>>96879763>we is used properly We in this context implies too much coherence. You have absolutely no right calling anyone else stupid based on your inability to understand this concept.>you were told to be madnope, I just have an ability to spot a redditor from a mile away
>>96879800based
>>96879861Beseech will hardly ever be cast for 6 mana. It will be cast for BBB 99% of the time. No one cast it for 6. People will not run it unless that have the manabase to cast it for BBB.
>>96879679They're mostly doing hybrid a lot more for limited purposes lately. Jet isn't really that good.
>>96879864But anon im not even the person who posted the question nor do I go on reddit. Please engage with the substance instead of trying to brush it off. Its okay to look stupid but doubling down is never a good idea
>>96879874If you can jump through the hoops to cast Beseech for BBB in non-Black decks, fuck it, you deserve whatever 3 mana thing you're tutoring.
I wanna make her, evil violent women my beloved. What instant speed bullshit can I jam in her? I mostly play green stompy/simic ramp bullshit so I don't know wtf she'd want
Anyway here's a worse Council's Judgement that becomes a body.
>>96879874It will almost always be cast for 6 mana outside of black decks. Anyways, you could literally already do this. Its nothing new, for comparable costs too at the added bonus of it being repeatable.
>>96879886>Jump though hoops>Any of the billion lands that make any color>Any of the billion artifact that make any color>HoopsJesus, /edhg/ has really fallen. I guess UB slop has filtered out all the oldfags.
>>96879888https://scryfall.com/search?as=grid&order=name&q=type%3Ainstant+commander%3AUBR+%28game%3Apaper%29Maybe look at flash spells too!
>>96879888Equip Buster Sword and double whatever it casts, by technicality those casts still occur while she is attacking.
>>96879893
>>96879897>larping as an old fag when he was unaware of the tens of already existing colorless tutor options
>>96879881anon said what do we think” in a space where “we” doesn’t make sense. 4 chins is where people post individual opinions, Reddit is built around consensus via upvotes and shared community identity so “we” is natural there, but not here. That’s a fair semantic distinction.kindly go fuck yourself.
>>96879907We thinks you're trying too hard.
>>96879894>It will almost always be cast for 6 mana outside of black decks. Anyways, you could literally already do thisRun beseech the queen in a monored deck? No you couldn't.. Anon. You might be retarded. >>96879905Keep on being a retard anon. Beseech is only larping as colorless. It will always be cast for BBB. Yup, you people are shills.
For my first wish, I wish anon wasn't retarded.
Thoughts on this pseudo-voltron? https://moxfield.com/decks/m5JyXCG540i1Z3JP0PpClg
>>96879893can't they just choose to exile this as soon as it hits the field?
>>96879915we aren't even sure you are part of we.
>>96879920Second wish, i wanna be a cute jirai girl please
> Beseech the QueenNothingburgerOnly brought up and discussed to manufacture outrage
For my second wish, I wish to teach anon how to read scryfall search results.
>>96879924>anon can't readlmao
>>96879930damn I'm retarded my bad
>>96879926Third wish, possibility storm on a creatureand big titties on the art
For my third wish, I wish for a big tiddy goth gf to crush my face.
>>96879923I don't even need to evaluate it, if you have found a way of making this retard-proof commander bad I would be genuinely impressed.
>>96879929>>96879920>>96879936These are not sorceries... Are you being willingly retarded or were you born like this? Here' I posted the card. Now read, retard.
>>96879952Oh, so they're actually better because you can use them on an opponent's turn to tutor instant speed interaction and aren't limited by land count. Got it.
>>96879516>>96879505Because I already kill the board with hivemind+final fortune, it’s basically a chance to end my pop off turn since I generally instantly win if I’m digging deep. I run alot of tempt and show and tell cards, so I often give my opponents lots of stuff
>>96879968>10 mana to tutor one card>5 mana and 3 tokens (which require other resources to make)>14 mana to tutor one permanentvs>3 mana to tutor anything to hand
>>96879131One of my newer brews. Still a work in progress. Need to get some old snow mountains. Blast to play.
>>96879982Oh I'm sorry I forgot they errata'd Beseech the Queen to remove the mana value condition. My bad.
>>96879991>anon misses landdropsgrim
>>96880000Yes, because 3 = infinity.
>>96879917If a player goes out of their way to include all-colors lands and/or Chromatic Orrery effects in their nonblack deck for the specific purpose of saving 3 mana on one spell, I'd say he can have it.
>>96880008Is the assumption that you can only cast it on turn 3? Or that you can only cast it when you have 3 lands? What if I draw it on turn 4 or 5, anon?
>>96879662>no blackCome the fuck on, Nickelodeon. He was going to wipe out a village of innocent people
>>96879667God that looks like a fucking proxy
>>96880034Because lategame, there are better cards than "I built my whole deck to cast this 6 mana tutor for 3 mana"
Freedom aint free>>96880035
>>96880035And Nahiri genocided two planes, your point?
>>96879819>pretending that it makes decks "more creative" because "more options equals better" is the mantra of the retarded with no creativity.This shit drives me crazyYOU REPRESENT THE COMPANYJUST PRINT MORE FUCKING CARDS IF YOU WANT PLAYERS TO HAVE MORE OPTIONSWHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU CHANGE CORE RULES OF THE FORMAT JUST BECAUSE YOU CAN?
>>96879826That shade of salmon got me feeling a little zesty. Idk what it is. Shit looks supple. Shit looks pliant.
>seven unique aang cardsHoly fucking shit.
>>96880067Becaus they made hybrid cards to be played in monocolor decks, so now they're changing the rules to allow that to happen.That is the entire point of hybrid cards. Making more of them will change nothing if the format's rules disallow using them to do they were designed for.
>>96880067>CORE RULES OF THE FORMAT
Constraint breeds creativity. Avoiding top edhrec cards and gamechangers have led to more fun decks and games
>>96880083I can't even name a hybrid card that would qualify as a game changer. Even Lurrus isn't anything close to top tier in this format.
>>96879886>>96879894>>96879991>>96880022>>96880043But anon, I only need 1 card to make 3 black mana and it's already a budget staple.
>>96880086You cant name on thats a top edhrec card either
>>96880077>Becaus they made hybrid cards to be played in monocolor decks, so now they're changing the rules to allow that to happen.In formats that don't actually care about color identityIn standard you could already splash cards with 1 mana pip. That's the entire fucking reason they print cards with multiple mana pips in the first placeThis is the one format that has color identity and you want to tear that away
>>96880094if you play a 5 mana mana rock to get a 3 mana discount on a spell who gives a shit
>>96880105Love how you have to change the cope every time you say something wrong
>>96880104Color identity is meant to make you play cards that align with your commanders' identity. If you play Ghalta, who is green, you get to do green things.Hybrid cards (barring a handful of color pie breaks which can't possibly be a dealbreaker in the chaos warp/beast within format) are designed to fit into both sides of the color pie. A G/W hybrid is a green card that does green things. Ergo it should fit into a green color identity.
>>96880094There was a time this card was like 6-10 bucks. edh was a different game then lol, cramming this and thran dynamo in big mana decks was a blast.
>can't play my favorite commanders because one friend thinks they are just too strong for bracket 2>both are excellent aggro commanders but built on a budget to massively power them downhow do you handle this?>ignore friend and keep playing>try to power them down some more>built a new commander
>>96880110Anon, you spent 5 mana to cast a 6 mana tutor for one card. If you think THIS is going to affect the meta in any meaningful capacity I can only assume you're playing with downgraded precons, somehow.
>>96880111>Color identity is meant to make you play cards that align with your commanders' identity. If you play Ghalta, who is green, you get to do green things.And you don't get to do green/red things, which is what green/red hybrid cards allowWe already had this last thread, but if the hybrid rules change you will be able to play all 5 colors in monocolor decks, and you KNOW that it retardedAny further replies defending this shit will be ignored as bait.
>>96880115Unless your commander is on the game changers list (and I don't even know if any of them are anymore) then it can be bracket 2Your retard friend needs to be informed that the entire purpose of the bracket list is that 1 card doesn't change the power level of a deck unless its a GC
>>96880123>And you don't get to do green/red things, which is what green/red hybrid cards allowNo, that's multicolor. Hybrid cards allow you to do things both colors can do on their own. Red and green have pump spells so a red/green hybrid pump spell is fine, but they haven't printed a red/green burn because obviously green can't burn.
>>96879991>>96879968Bro, just stop. this is sad. Why are you even trying to die in this hill? I don't even have it in me to fight you anymore. I feel nothing but pity.
>>96880115I'd build a new commander, the best part of edh is tuning your decks to the powerlevel of a group. If your commander is perceived to be too strong, I wouldn't take it apart but I would start building something appropriate for this group at this time. who is your husbando that you are btfoing b2 with? do you have a list?
>>96880122>colors that previously could only tutor to very restricted things can now tutor for anything>but noooo it wont le heckin happen because one way of pulling it off is to play a budget mana rock plenty of decks already play5 mana to search any card in your deck is quite a good rate in some colors actually. And it's not like Gilded Lotus is single use.
>>96880079>Anon is a newfag accelerationistColor Identity is one of the core rules, yes.
>>96879984>borosNice! What's the strategy? Here is my Boros deck.
So, What cards should I buy up? I aleady have 500 copies for Manamorphose, 100 copies of beseech and 120 Lurrus that I bought the microsecond Sheldon died because I knew it was coming.
>>96880163There's that 7 mana counterspell you can technically play in only white and Waves of Aggression.
>>96880122monored treasures gets to cast it for 3
>>96880163I'd get some wishes. That will be on WotC's list to address and the argument for allowing them is actually much stronger than the argument to change hybrid mana.There has never been a requirement of a sideboard for wishes to work. The only reason they don't work in commander is because the RC said so.
>>96880174wishes are fucking stupid
>>96880174Of fuck, I did not even thing about that. Especially with all the "Lessons" we are getting with Avatar. I'd not be surprised if they allow it just so Avatar sells a tiny bit more.
>>96880191Less stupid than changing the rules for hybrid mana
>>96880194It's unlikely they'll do it in Avatar as there's no Learn anywhere in it; I'd say the change will be proposed when Secrets of Strixhaven rolls up.
>>96880163>the microsecond Sheldon died because I knew it was coming.I was in a thread when he died, someone said basically this exact thing. I genuinely thought it was crazy talk.
UNBAN MY ZESTY ELF YOU WOTC FUCKS
>>96880077So true sister that's why we need to change the rules of pauper to allow rares.Rares were designed to go in decks, after all.
>>96880204have you ever played against this mofo? its NUTS. DO NO UNBAN!
>>96880194>>96880202There's a new wish printed in the TMNT set
>>96880206Pauper was designed to exclude these cards, hybrids didn't even exist when Commander started being a thing.You've already had a massive rule change to allow shit like Kenrith being a 5C commander because it was stupid that a deck with him at the wheel wasn't allowed to use the premise of his card. Having another to let you use other cards the way they were designed to be used is perfectly fine.
Okay Anons, how about instead or arguing like retards about Hybrid or Wishes or whatever for the 800th time or posting the exact same decks over and over, we play a different game.Name a banned card you want moved to the GC list, or a GC you want removed from the list, OR a card you want ADDED to GC that isn't.
>>96880174They will wait till they have an UB crossover with an IP that has wishes>Fairly Oddparents set>wishes become legal in edh. Probably not oddparents maybe deathnote?
I'll let you in on a secret.Aliens is a secret lair next year.
>>96880221>we play a different gameCouldn't agree more, I'm going to go play Lorcana.
This can now go in any green deck, So maybe target this.
>>96880217And commander was designed to exclude cards that don't share colour identity. Thanks for playing, retard.
>>96880207
>>96880221>how about instead of posting new decks we have a stupid discussion we already have on a regular basis that goes nowhere and proves people don't understand the formatmiss me with that shit
>>96880234>open with leyline>ramp ramp ramp in green>beseech for BBB>tutor literally anything
>>96880221Sylvan Primordial unbanned Etali, Primal Conqueror added to GC
>>96880234Why would you bother? What are they going to do with it? Maybe they'll use it to play Scion of Draco turn 2 and it'll be a dead card in any case but that perfect alignment of circumstances.
>>96880221Still can't believe they took the fat ugly gay kid off the GC list"we want to cater to the angleshooter audience" is a hell of a statement to make
>>96880226>secret lairok kinda cool for collectors, just don't make it a UB set
>>96880226
>>96880104>This is the one format that has color identity and you want to tear that awayColor identity is already bullshit because of the prevalence of wubrg slop. Hybrid costs is an edge case. Hybrid was ALWAYS intended to be an or. Seriously what is all this gnashing of teeth about muh color identity. The real truth is that your bracket should be how many colors are in your deck.The main reason I think color ID is good is because having mono/duo color decks is generally good for the format. Like how Lorcana forces you to choose exactly 2 colors for your deck. That design is partly what makes it a good game. But now in commander people just run wubrg sloppa and thats it. Its better for cEDH players because more colors = more Deflecting Swats, Deadly Rollicks, etc. Its also good for casual players because now they have more budget options open to them.I really think all these arguments about color identity are bad faith. All these people are totally happy if the hybrid change doesnt happen, as they shuffle up against a T&K player, Jodah, and Cosmic Spiderman. There are way bigger issues with color identity to the extent that hybrid cards dont fucking matter.As always the INTENT of the rule matters more than the any historical precendence. The intent of the rule is to telegraph what coliors can be expected and limit people to 2ish colors. The hybrid mana part of this is narrow and a foot note. If you care at all about 'limitations' and/or the color pie, then this hybrid shit really shouldnt matter. Get real. It ls heckin' valid for Golos to Vamp Tutor for his Underworld Breech and then Drop a Flawless Maneuver in response to your removal and then start Brain Freezing himself. But if a mono G player uses crop rotation to fetch Urborg so he can pay 3 to Beseech the Queen for a Craterhoof then Im going to have a fucking melty!!!
>>96880237You have already changed color identity to make cards work the way they were designed to work beforehand. Why not one more?>>96880241>don't open with leyline>have an utterly dead card on handwowwwwww
>>96880249For the millionth time, Hasbro does not see the difference between Secret Lair and Universes Beyond and they do not care.They're just IP deals that print money to Hasbro. If you support SLs, WotC will see it as support for UB.
>>96880261>>don't open with leylineThere's a free mulligan in this format anon. I know you may not understand this because you want to change the rules of commander and keep justifying doing so by saying other formats don't have color identity
>>96880258>Color identity is already bullshit because of the prevalence of wubrg slop.Okay great, so instead of arguing that the hybrid change is okay, the rest of this post is going to argue for tighter restrictions on color identity right?...oh...oh no...
>>96880267That does make a degree of sense. I really don't need more horror themed bullshit in my steadily shrinking dad corner.>tfw single >whole house to myself>tfw married >whole basement to myself >tfw kids>whole corner to myselfwe better not get a dog or something lol
>>96880258>Hybrid was ALWAYS intended to be an orDoesn't matter. Color identity rules say colored mana symbols on the card are its identity and thus precludes it from deck building. Can I pop this with a REB? Then it is a blue card. Adding this one random extra rule>Color identity matters except for hybrid, but only when deckbuildings, in game Hybrid cards are both their colors ok. Even though Hybrid was supposed to be either/or lol ignore it.I can see it now.>Non anon, I'm playing it as GREEN, REB only works on blue!
>>96880238interesting, he's also cost prohibitive. maybe he can come off.
>>96880131not on the game changers list, just very brutal and effective when smashing heads. the friend that's complaining is usually one or two turns behind me every game. I also have rn jesus on my side, my top deck game is insane.>>96880143xenagos and gut with iron throne. I posted the lists before, and while I got one or two compliments about some card choices, the general consensus was that they are not particularly strong compared to the commenter group's power levels.https://moxfield.com/decks/rOOLTA_u5U6A_YfzitsIKQguess I'm looking at new commanders. something something rakdos.
>>96880278The odds of opening with a specific card in Commander in your opening hand are 7%. You get to roll twice for it before you start paying in cards. If you fail the rolls, it's a completely dead card, and it has much much more limited use then the other Leylines. I genuinely don't even see the problem when green already has Utopia Sprawl effects that let it make all lands into 5C lands anyway.
>Hybrid card>You can cast it for x or y>It is still x and y>NOOO THE INTENT>It is either or despite it always being both. NOOOOWho started this debate? What fucking retard first put this shit into motion?
>>96880298Yeah Xenagod is a house of a card. Definitely keep the list around for when your group grows up a bit. >rakdoslots of good options, I personally like florian
>>96880292Okay, so, why is Kenrith WURBG color identity then and not white?>>96880309>design card to be put into monocolor decks>format rules arbitrarily block it off from being put into a monocolor deck>"Hey maybe we should change that rule!"It's simple if you're not stupid
>>96880307I will be real, every shop in my city plays mulls fast and loose. I've watched people mull dozens of times to "find a playable hand" and when ever I call that bullshit, the table turns against me. Fuck, you know about this "ten mull" bulltshit?
>>96880258I'm assuming that this is a post taken in jest, but what's important to take away that WotC wants this verbatim.
>>96880115It largely depends. Some people just can't understand the reason why they are losing is because they are bad or aren't playing to win. If you are playing an aggro deck, chances are they are just mad that their greedy-ass combo deck with no ability to protect itself is dying to the weakest, most unga-bunga strategy possible.Unless you are actually just killing starting turn 3 or whatever, just tell them to git fucking gud, to play wraths, and to play decks that can actually fucking defend themselves.
>>96880319>format rules arbitrarily block it off from being put into a monocolor deck>one of the defining rules of the format is "arbitrary"Nigga it was designed to be easier to cast in OTHER FORMATS where COLOR IDENTITY doesn't exist
>>96880319>WURBGHe has every color mana symbol on his card. Are you genuinely retarded? Is Color Identity is WURBG but he is a monowhite card because his casting cost is 4W. Did you think this was some huge gatcha? Good god man. I actually feel sorry for whoever raised you. How difficult is must have been preventing you from killing yourself at every chance/
>>96880309It was never a mechanical problem. It's a flavor problem.
Sorry, you can't NEB me. I'm monowhite despite identifying as WUBRG.
>>96880319>design card to be put into monocolor decks>Design cards to fetch cards from the side board>they can be played in the format>No side bored exist.NOOO THE INTENT!
>>96880323I've never seen it, it sounds like bullshit. I've always ran with "you get ONE free mulligan, after that you have to put a card in the bottom of the library for each mulligan you've done".
>>96880355>it's another "anon pretends to not know what color identity is" episode
>>96880309MaRo
>>96880340This was explicitly not how color identity worked originally and it was changed to make some cards align closer to their intent. What's one more change?
>>96880355
>>96880221Not that I think it would happen, but I'd like Tinker to be a GC and Tolarian Academy as well. As a big blue artifact lover, it'd be nice to use these since I've had them for so long.
>>96880356There are no cards that mention a side board. A side board is a feature of tournament play only. In non-tournament settings, cards that say to fetch a card from out of the game mean any card in your collection.
>>96880359That's exactly what color identity is. Cards identifying as a different color than they actually are.
>>96880372I wish literally any possible change but that.
>>96880357Maybe my city is just shit. 5 Card shops and everyone one of them does this "mull until playable" shit and when I take advantage of it, I'm the bad guy, when I call it out? Also the bad guy. It's even made it's way to fucking draft where I've had to ask player what the fuck they are doing.
>>96880377This tranny meme hasn't worked any of the previous times you've attempted it. Before you revert to shitposting about it for the next couple hours, answer me genuinely, do you think you will change any minds this time?
>>96880383Dandan has that rule, but you need to show your hand to *prove* it is unplayable (one land or less/six lands or more), I believe.
>>96880380Come on let me take 'em out of the binder for a lil spin! It'll be funny maybe not really but it will amuse me
>>96880388Woah who said anything about trannies? Sounds like some projection is going on.
All counterspells should be gamechangers.If you wanna counter shit in casual gameplay you should have to make sacrifices.
>>96880397>destroy permanent for 2 mana>fine and dandy>prevent permanent from hitting the board for 2 mana>AIIEEEEEE SAVE ME WOTC SAMA
>>96880397Let me guess, you picked up MTG because of final tranitasy?
>>96880405>AIIEEEEEEwhat kind of foreigner crap is this?
>>96880426Even worse: it's animeslop
>>96880397Counterspells are the best removal, spells dont have hexproof or ward and ‘uncounterable’ has a few asterisks, and most are universal removal. Though, with how powerful spells and abilities are, you need stack interaction, the backbone of the game, in more colors
>>96880405Destroying a permanent doesn't stop its ETBs while counterspells do, not to mention that they also prevent non-permanents and bypass protection.They're extremely disproportionately powerful omni-removal.>>96880422Scars of Mirrodin actually.
>>96880397Oh hey you reminded me of the guy who posted these cards.
>>96880422>hating counters means you like UBnta but where's the connection?
>>96880460I appreciate the attempt here but the tacked on wurgb slop is so unnecessary.
>>96880457>They're extremely disproportionately powerful omni-removal.Except that they only prevent and cannot remove what is already on the board (meaning they have much finickier timing) and there are various 2 mana cards that entirely disable counters wholesale
>>96880317what I like about both xenagos and gut is how they feel like unrelenting missile launcher commanders. the hammering just never stops.I'll look into florian, thanks>>96880332I come at them early, but I don't kill before t5-6. I'm gonna get my friends' lists and post them here later for some insight.
>>96880460>Average custom card made by an eminence fan
>>96880460every time you think WotC is retarded with card design, remember people that would genuinely design cards like this exist
>>96880487>they don't do the thing, they do a far superior version of the thing
Am I a good custom card designer?
Hybrid cards are both colors everywhere. You aren't picking a color when you have it in your deck. Cards that affect either color affect that card. EDH is a game of restrictive deck building. It's built into its DNA with the color identity rule limiting what colors you can put in your deck to ones that match your commander. This hybrid rule change is a direct attack on that idea as it allows you to play cards outside your color identity. It's important to remember, WotC's end goal is not the health of the format: it's to make money. The current proposed changes don't do much. There's probably a handful of cards that they could simply print in mono colors if they really cared about the effects. The future is where we need to have caution. WotC's ideal cards are ones like Jeweled Lotus and Mana Crypt that are colorless staples in all decks for peak monetization. Before they took control of the format, they couldn't print as many of them as they can now for fear the independent RC would ban them, as they did. With the proposed hybrid mana change, we will see more and more pushed cards that go in multiple decks making every deck look like the same generic mush as every other one and at an increased price for all the cards in them. And you will respond, "But they already do that."And I will respond "So you want it to be worse?"
>>96880495>have no mana at the moment>enemy drops thing>can remove it later>can never counterspell it again
>>96880516>Before they took control of the format, they couldn't print as many of them as they can now for fear the independent RC would ban them, as they did.The RC was so retarded they didn't ban The One Ring, thought Elesh Norn was a big threat to the format and thought Jeweled Lotus wouldn't be a problem. They were never an issue to printed busted chase rares.
>>96880516>EDH is a game of restrictive deck building. It's built into its DNA with the color identity rule limiting what colors you can put in your deck to ones that match your commander. This hybrid rule change is a direct attack on that idea as it allows you to play cards outside your color identity.How exactly? I'm playing cards that fit in my color. That's what hybrid cards are.
>>96880514yeah, I want one or two cards from this list.
>>96880518Nigga ETBs dominant the game especially as you go higher in brackets, nobody cares if you kill etali after he hit the field, you already lost by then.Counterspells offer a uniquely powerful form of removal that is largely inaccessible to most colors. They make the game less fun for many players and they're objectively the most powerful form of removal, making it an inherently GC mechanic would improve lower brackets while not affecting high-level play where they actually matter instead of just being a pubstomping tool.
>>96880573>"most powerful form of removal"
>>96880514looks good to me anon
>>96880478I said literally nothing about him like UB. Let me guess, american state school?
If hybrid cards were always allowed in both of their mono-colors (as they should have been) and then Wizards now proposed restricting them to only dual-color decks, the exact same people would be sperging out right now.
>>96880514What's the point of that Draw X, discard X beyond being faithless but worse?
>>96880168>There's that 7 mana counterspell you can technically play in only white and Waves of Aggression.what are those?
>>96880573>counterspells>pubstomping toolI know you're being a retarded contrarian on purpose for (You)s, but at least TRY to conceal the fact that you are nogames
>>96880582Do you actually think that's a good argument or are you just bored
>>96880594Anon why else would you bring up Final Fantasy literally out of nowhere?
>>96880226That's fine. Queen as Golgari, I'd hope.
>>96880612Do I really need to spell it out for you?
>>96880151Flicker with a focus on artifacts because Weapons Manufacturing is such a sweet card. Get value, interact/control with spell package+recursion. Win with impact tremors pings/flickering munitions tokens, pumped up soldier tokens, street urchin spam, or combo. Can't stress how good Manufacturing is and Weftstalker is insane.
>>96880573Essence Scatter is very often unplayable. The same is not true for Go For The Throat.
>>96880606It's true though, there's a reason casual players largely shit and piss themselves over blue decks in particular.It's easy for them to become far too oppressive in 2/3 compared to other colors, bluefags need to engage in a lot of self-control to abstain from not building decks that stomp casual tables and make the game massively unfun for everyone.
>>96880478He's calling you new. New players are almost exclusively the demo who struggle with countespells, new players were brought in with ffit makes complete sense
Lets see how it does.Also, I have enough cards to make a separate wizard deck
Im new to magic but what im finding i love the most is actually putting decks together, figuring out synergies or picking a fun looking commander and building around them. Do you guys just have tons of cards from years of playing or do you proxy a huge bulk of cards? I want to craft more decks but ive got barely any cards to customize with
>>96880598It seems you get a round of priority before the discard as it's a separate trigger, so you can counter the trigger or do anything instant speed before it hits.
>>96880627>there's a reason casual players largely shit and piss themselves over blue decks in particular.Yeah and that reason is because they didn't get to do the thing, not because counterspells are overpowered. Same reason people get assblasted about stax.
I bought this cool card catalog to start sorting my collection
>>96880659I’m about to lean into that, where’d you find it
>>96880644Being a newfag who likes the same things you do, I just proxy
This is an unplayable garbage card.
>>96880664Amazon
>>96880608How does a counterspell remove a problem permanent I cast the turn before? I think people take the frustration of counterspells and go well its the most annoying so it must be the most powerful. But its honestly hard to compare, counters are good but they are very time sensitive, whereas other removal dont provide the exact same utility but you dont need them in tour hand at that moment.
This is a staple.
>>96879808More hybrids are going to being printed for limited reasons. At least 10 each set.
>>96880644My collection comes from a mix of drafting and buying singles for decks. Yeah deck building is a big part of what makes this format fun. It can get expensive though and there are more than a few pitfalls you will want to avoid. >lands are important you don need fetches but you probably need a good amount of playable dual lands>expensive, powerful cards can actually make decks less interesting to play>balancing tutors, too many can make decks less interesting but some decks are more fun with them>dismissing cards that are cheap for being powerful>thinking cards that are expensive are inherently strong in this formatI highly recommend a proxie b4 you buy policy. I do it even with a massive collection. I never buy anything until its been in a deck for like 3 months. I never buy anything until after its out of standard as well. The available card pool is so massive its basically never worth it to pay standard prices for anything.
>>96879808They've realized hybrid is a good tool for limited so it's getting used more.
>>96880659is that an apothecary drawer? I was bidding on one of those literally a week ago...nice grab!I'm still using the BCW version of the same thing
>>96880693>good tool for limiteddid you even draft spoodermand holy shit anon
>>96880678Beast Within / Gift enjoyers are already dead anon. No need to further kick them.
>>96880712I mean it is. It was very good in Bloomburrow, that and the typal glue cards were some of the best parts of that set. It lets you make cards that are more playable in more decks and them being shittier then normal is less of an issue befause of the lower power level of limited.
>>96880678>destroy>3 managet with the times, gramps. this is such a 2023 card.
>>96880730'tis merely a fleshwound!
What the hell went right?
why does it do that? It makes absolutely no sense.Shit just does stuff now
>>96880678It's not better than fight spells, I have no idea why people bother running it
>>96880678This is a stapler.
>>96880760God I love fire nation's exposed midriff outfits
>>96880776You (the player) spar against the dummy when you tap it.
>>96878818reposted from previous thread>You're kind of fixating on casting it with Mizzix's MasteryWell no, in the context of why I posted the card in the first place I care about hitting it with Surge to Victory as a finisher, which staples +8/+0 to all your creatures onto Magma Opus and also when they connect with a player you get to cast Magma Opus. One Magma Opus isn't that impressive, but how bout 4? Or 10? Inalla's gonna have a big ol' board of 9/1s or 10/2s with trample to swing with.
>>96880760the first one is the best one
>>96880703Yep. And the drawers perfectly fit sleeved cards. This is a commander deck for example.
>>96880862
>>96880488So, in all fairness, compared to what most people have come to expect of bracket 2, killing on turn 5-6 -is- pretty early. Even if you think the new version of the bracket system is fucking stupid (and it is), and think that it should read "a player shouldn't win before turn 9" instead of "a player shouldn't win or lose before turn 9," I would still say that killing people on turn 7 is roughly where you want to start if you don't want to be bitched at. This is assuming your friends are playing with any amount of interaction though, if they are just fucking letting you do this shit, whatever, their fault.
>>96880882Also there's a good amount of space between the drawers. I'm thinking about installing some anchors so I can hang it on my wall.
>>96880221Rofellos, Primeval Titan, Sylvan Primordial and Sundering Titan so I can absolutely pubstomp with my mono green.
>>96880794It's absolutely better then fight spells. It explodes enchantments, artifacts and literally everything. It removes lands. It doesn't require a creature (and a creature that can kill the opponent's, even) to do anything at all. This is the most versatile removal card in existance.
>>96880899what people expect in b2 differs so wildly between groups I've just stopped playing it.
>>96880806I rewatched the whole show just a couple months ago and in one episode there's a female fire nation soldier/guard and she's the only one with her tummy out around a bunch of men dressed normal lol
>>96880794>can't fight enchantments>can't fight artifacts>can't fight planeswalkers>can't fight landsGeez louise retard, whyda think? You only need removal for creatures?
>>96880913>It explodes enchantments, artifactsGreen has more than enough alternatives for that
>>96880796:^)
>>96880926Or, I don't fucking know, you just do it all on one card. You know, in a singleton format where efficiency actually matters. How are you even alive?
>>96880926Yes but they're not all in one card. Beast Within is good nearly always, as long as the card isn't flat out uninteractable or impossible to destroy it will resolve any problem
>>96880882>>96880904sick, yeah like I said I'm trying to get one myself. I'm helly jelly man. what did you pay?
Why does he suddenly struggle with killing things with smaller power?https://scryfall.com/card/m13/20/intrepid-hero
>>96880954It's not that he can't; he won't. He's too much of a hero to pick on tiny weaklings.
>>96880954his poorly crafted armour prevents from bending over properly
>>96880954Because he's White.
>>96880954There's no honor/bounty in it
>>96880945$60
>>96880776SHIT HAS ALWAYS JUST DONE STUFF WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS COMPLAINT???
>>96880776Like the fucking BRIDGE? Or the WALLS?
>>96880954>Preferred Enemy: Big Guys
>>96880969damn son that's cheap! I was going to pay literally 6 times that and got outbid...
>>96880954https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbrbDa9EBR0
>>96880977To be fair it's cheap and low quality, but it's functional.
>>96880976If I tapped Intrepid Hero, would you die?
>>96880954>>96880959I like how well the swords fits together with the shield and the rest of his armor. I like the sword in general.
>>96881003It would be extremely painful
>>96880936>>96880938>it's worth paying extra mana for nothing just to have versatilityIncorrect actually.
>>96880958>>96880963>>96880961This creature will bully anyone though.https://scryfall.com/card/eld/14/giant-killer-chop-down
>>96881058You're a big planeswalker
>>96881069
What have your experiences with Cruel Entertainment been?
>>96881087>dude this card is awesome>oh man cuts are hard>hmm a 7 mana card>bye bye
>>96881107this is literally, actually against the spirit of the format. for shame...
>>96880914I can't even apply the bracket system. my group uses game changers, but next to no tutors and barely any removal. any token aggro deck just steamrolls them.
>>96880954I play this guy in my Darien deck. He slaps.
>>96881165Brackets are strictly meant for pub games, the faster they officially recognize that the better
>>96881061Versatility is not nothing. If your opponent has a problem land or creature, Naturalize won't help. Beast Within will nearly always be able to remove a problem, because it removes any permanent.Versatility and efficiency are two different qualities that can be prized on cards. A card that's helpful in more situations is just as worth considering as a card that is really good in this particular situation.
>>96881087>>96881107>>96881122It could got to 5 and still not really see play. Chances are you play it and both players just focus you for being an annoyance.Add a line that neither player can attack you or target you for spells on their turn, put it to 5 and i think it would be fun
>>96881189List? I used to play against him a lot back around origins Good times
>>96881087>>96881107lots of people dont play perfectly efficient cards in edh.
>>96881221I don't like to play cards that are active liabilities that I likely won't even get to play. There's a baseline level of playable I expect for my deck.
>>96881215This. Edh players are fags.
>>96881216It's a work in progress. Updated from 2013-2014 when I first built it.https://archidekt.com/decks/14945737/darien_king_of_kjeldor_humansoldier_lifegain_tokens
>>96880970>>96880975You can always lore fag that into making sense sense afterwards.But we seen what the dummy is capable of already in the show, it doesn't work this way around, you can't lore fag shit up when it already left the anus
>>96879682i think there's a porn webcomic named price of freedomno relation to the card, but its funny that they share a name
>>96881470It obviously milled Avatar Aangs library for one and then filled his hand if it was a land, and healed him 2 life points if it was a lesson. This is how he defeated the firelord too, don't be difficult now
>>96881470Toph doesn't turn shit into metal in universe either this is what we call "gameplay mechanics" It's a dummy, so it can't attack, but it can be used as a makeshift shield. You can spar with it and after the spar you can get an insight (putting stuff in the grave where it can be accessed later) and if you've learned something (the card was a Lesson) you're left more resilient and capable (gaining life). There you go.
lel
>>96881591>ViacomHoly shit. Kill this game.
This one is somehow worse than Cruell Tutor
>>96881602>a blurry fucking screenshot of a 2008 cgi tankFucking hell.
>>96881608some of these are just awful
How long until WotC powercreep gives us a legendary 3 mana version of Hypie with Myriad to be our commander?
Gotta be honest hate the set actually pushed me to go buy the new league card game and give it a try but damn if it aint everything my Senu deck has been needing.
>>96881591They decided to print this shit years in advance, there’s probably a mana crypt in tmnt. It’s why they were so asshurt they had a coup of the commander format and used pinkerton science to kill the founder of commander and bind his soul into some harry potter horcrux with the secret lair printing
>>96881637>play this t1 with dark rit>table gets booty blasted when I swing it
At the beginning of each end step, if an opponent lost 2 or more life this turn, you may put a quest counter on this enchantment. Whenever a card is put into an opponent’s graveyard from anywhere, if this enchantment has three or more quest counters on it, you may have that player lose 2 life. If you do, you gain 2 life.
>>96881602>blurry screenshots of a 480p tv showOh my god how does it keep getting worse
FireBending1 (Whenever this attacks, add {R}. This mana doesn't untap during your untap step.)Exhaust — {3}: Put a +1/+1 counter on it. The next instant or sorcery spell you cast this turn, copy that spell. You may choose new targets for the copy. (Exhaust abilities can each be activated only once.)
>>96881662SECONDARIES OUT
>>96881662>newfag doesnt recognize blood chiefs ascension
>>96881672>>96881676I know it was Bloodchief Ascension, all I did was translate the card faggots
>cant throw the rock the turn it comes down because its after attackers declareddamn i was so exited for a rock throwing commander, hopefully there not out of earthbending cards to reveal
Lord this show had dogshit animation
>>96881691>Final Fantasy had zero experience counter cards>RPG set with zero cards for its core game play mechanic>avatar gets severalFUCKING WHY I DON'T FUCKING GET IT FUCK THIS FUCKING BULLSHIT
{1} Tap: End the turn. Activate only during your turn. Yes I know this is Sundial of the Infinite don't be retarded
>>96880904How many cards deep do each drawer fit? Think I found the one you're shilling.
>>96881717Just say what card it is shill
>>96881691>cant throw the rock the turn it comes down because its after attackers declaredwait, what? I didn't even realize that, that's absolute bullshit, toph is completely wasting the haste buff from earthbending
>>96881631Jesus fucking christ, come the FUCK on
>>96881731>posting cards makes you a shillok anon I'll make sure WOTC does a Teletubbies secret lair next
>>96881714i'm lucky atleast some of the characters i liked are usable but what happened to Exdeath and pretty much every FF9 character was criminal
>>96879665>I wonder why they're going so in on clue tokens this setthe fire nation spent a hundred years continuously searching for the Avatar, then once they found Aang they continued hunting him across the world. Clue tokens are a standin for the search for the avatar
>>96880554Yes, but a blue/green creature is blue/green and cant go in black/blue
>>96881775Exdeath is completely fine.
>>96880554>fit in my colorYou're a fucking retard. Color identity is the symbols on the card barring reminder text.
>>96879131k
>>96879736>So why not just change the color identity rules? Why make a special exception for hybrids cards?What they're doing is functionally a change to the color identity rules, the same way they made a change when allowing cards like Bosh to count as Red and not Colorless, or Sisay to be WUBRG instead of mono-white. IDK what you mean about special exception for hybrid cards, they're the only ones with hybrid pips on them. Unless you mean change the rules for mono-color cards with hybrid abilities or casting costs? Because thats already how it works for shit like Extort or the new Firebending, the new Azula is actually Dimir despite vomiting a bunch of red mana with firebending even under the current, unchanged rules.
>>96881784Though sometimes they're just kind of to... Represent learning I guess? It's a bit broad and clearly more of a mechanical glue rather than a flavour backbone.
>>96879253I cannot wait for the big bang theory SLD with a lightning bolt renamed "BAZINGA!"
>>96881834That is not how it works for extort or firebending.
>>96879786>That'll happen sometime after transforming cards and flip cards are alloweddon't forget Meld cards. I've had Westvale Abbey/Ormendahl and Brisela/Gisela as favorite commanders since Eldritch Moon nearly ten years ago, never played with anyone who actually had a problem with it and in a world where 4-color partner slop or mono-white commanders with 5-color abilities letting you play every single card in the game exist, it's relentlessly retarded to care
>>96881853I should gaslight random pods into believing Westvale Abbey will soon be a mono B commander when I want to play Endrek Sahr.
>>96881819he is basic as hell and super ass compared to Jenova just a almao in a jar
>>96879487Isn't a PS5 like 700 or some insane shit? They raised the prices because loltariffs
>>96879817>Lands that make "any color" are going to be in demand now any deck can run Beseech the Queenyou seriously overestimate how much this matters when it's a 3-mana sorcery speed tutor with a CMC restriction that you're also only allowed to run a single copy of, so the chances of seeing it in your first 20 cards is only once every five games. 0.74% of decks run Tamiyo's Journal which has artifact synergy, token synergy, provides card draw over time, and has unrestricted tutoring while being the permanent type that's by far the easiest to cheat into play or reduce the cost of.......and less than 1 in 100 people run it. It's a fucking non-issue. Holy fuck the average EDH player is so goddamn bad at the game
>>96881868They shoot themselves in the foot with so many legendaries. Plenty of literally who's are going to end up "basic"
>>96879817Beseech the queen just isn't a very good card outside of black. Tutors for absurd amounts of colorless mana already existed.
>>96881876>spending 5 mana to then wait 3 turns unless you built your deck around generating a dogshit token typeyeah... i'd rather just pay 3 and tutor up anything
Exdeath, the first badassGrixisLeg creature - Tree avatar warlockIf a player would lose the game, that player loses twice instead.If an opponent would win the game, instead transform exdeath.T: exile target spell or ability, only axtivate this while a spell or ability on the stack targets exdeathNeo exdeathType - allAs neoexdeath transforms, each player enters the battlefield. Violence is now permitted. The last surviving player wins. While neoexdeath is transformed, the game cannot legally end until there is only one.
>>96881876Retard.>>96881891It's a demonic tutor that can be played in any deck. If you are paying 6 colorless for it, then you are doing it wrong. I have a feeling this is just the same poster that had this "argument" hours ago in tis very thread.
Aang officially has more versions of himself than any UB character not counting The Doctor.Shit is starting to look like a DBZ game with 50 Gokus
>>96880207pumping creature power has never been more trivial than it is now, nevermind marwyn pumping herself high just for playing generic elfball. Rofellos being banned is literally just sheldon's autism haunting the format, same reason Biorhythm is banned for literally zero justification just because he's hated the card since Onslaught
>>96881898It's a bad card bro. I would never use it but feel free to put it in all your decks. Doesn't even make it into mono black
>>96881876I'd rather drive nails into my dick than play any card that has Jace on it.
>>96881911>Grim tutor in monowhite/red/blue/green is bad bro, just trust me. Yup, Retard confirmed.
>>96881920Grim tutor is also bad.
>>96881898It's mid as fuck. Can't help but feel like you're falseflagging the anti hybrid stance. Nobody is adding City of Ass, Mana Confluence and Tarnished Citadel just to kill themselves for a 3 mana tutor in non black.
I wish they would print a card that is literally just Fastbond but that costs like 5 mana. Fastbond lowkey isn't even that good of a card, it's just that it's unbalanced at 1 mana
>>96881929I am. I'm replacing an equipment tutor in my Mabel deck. Having the option to tutor a boradwipe or Utility creature in addition to an Equipment is nice. I'm already running rainbow lands because I lack duals. I love Mice. They are so cute.
>>96881898>It's a demonic tutor that can be played in any deckdemonic tutor is 2 mana and has no cmc restriction. it is not a demonic tutor that can be played in any deck whatsoever. edh players are so fucking retarded about tutors in general, the majority of 60 card constructed decks don't even play tutors even with the opportunity to run 16 of them if they wanted. spending mana to do nothing on your turn at sorcery speed is not good, unless it's fucking Stoneforge Mystic-tier "I will win the game next turn" good.The top combo legacy deck right now, dimir reanimator, doesn't even play a single demonic tutor or any equivalent. The only library search effect is ENTOMB which puts shit directly into the graveyard, which EDH players don't even register as good or worth bitching about. Entomb+Reanimate aren't even considered gamechangers in EDH. Having card draw and answers to interaction is far more important.
>>96881963>Let's compare this format to a complete different format.Anon, this is sad. Just stop. Please.
>>96881945Be retarded if you want I guess.
>>96881970You literally conpared edh color identity to other fomats earlier.
>>96881980The fuck are you even talking about? You're having a schizo moment. Or is everyone who disagrees with you the same person? I'm done discussing this with you.
>>96881998nta but you are a retard. Run away.
>>96879106>TQ:Maybe not a game action but static effects like rule of law.
>>96881970okay, lets look at actual CEDH tournaments... oh, look at that, the winning deck is running a bunch of creatures, card draw, instant-speed interaction/counterspells/removal, and ramp. Every single card that searches the library directly cheats them into play onto the battlefield, like entomb+reanimate. The sole exception of a pure tutor spell is Gamble, which is 1/3rd the cost of Beseech and also helps get shit into the graveyard to recur.being multiplayer makes sitting around jerking off doing nothing with your mana but spend it instead of just putting better cards into your deck you'd rather draw instead an EVEN WORSE idea because there's 3x as many players to punish you for publicly masturbating while leaving yourself defenseless.....
>>96882066>but what about cedh?!?!nta but you are a retard
>>96881963>the majority of 60 card constructed decks don't even play tutors even with the opportunity to run 16 of them if they wantedThat's because in 60 card decks tutors are more inefficient than just running more copies of the card you want to see
>>96882066Retard looks at one Temur deck and thinks this says a lot about how black tutors are used in cedh
>>96882070Kinda sounds more like he beat you the fuck out
>>96882070>nta but you are a retardI accept your concession lmao. First you say BESEECH THE QUEEN IS SO OVERPOWERED, IT'S A DEMONIC TUTOR YOU CAN PUT IN ANY DECK!!!! >>96881898Then you're shown that even actual Tier-1 Legacy decks don't bother running Demonic Tutor, nevermind that Thassa's is significantly worse costing more while having CMC restrictions, and the only library search is done to mill the graveyard to cheat things into play faster. >>96881970>>Let's compare this format to a complete different format.THEN you say "Oh, that's a different format! You can't compare it!"so then when you look at people playing EDH in tournaments specifically to win, they ALSO only run cards that cheat things into play onto the battlefield, card draw, and instant-speed interaction/removal.....So now it's not only does Legacy not matter, even EDH doesn't matter lol. Just accept you're a fucking shitter who doesn't understand the fundamentals of Magic.
>>96882121the fuck is that blue bird?
>>96882127Someday someone is gonna ask me this question for real and I'm gonna turn to dust like the guy in The Last Crusade
>>96882132Just tell them the most pathetic man in the world is at fault.
>>96882111>Tier-1 Legacysorry is Legacy commander?
>>96882139>most pathetic man in the worldmust be nice being retarded
>>96882139Noooo you can't insult based elon
>>96882139I'm pretty sure this guy >>96882111 didn't do itWhen would he have had time away from spamming /edhg/?
>>96882145>sorry is Legacy commander?>>96882066>okay, lets look at actual CEDH tournaments... oh, look at that, the winning deck is running a bunch of creatures, card draw, instant-speed interaction/counterspells/removal, and ramp. Every single card that searches the library directly cheats them into play onto the battlefield, like entomb+reanimate. The sole exception of a pure tutor spell is Gamble, which is 1/3rd the cost of Beseech and also helps get shit into the graveyard to recur.
>>96881631Why didn't they choose this shot as the card art?
>>96881631>someAll
>>96882066https://topdeck.gg/deck/the-fishbowl-san-diego-copy/SYqVM7LGlUOj6h3iLii86ALqDeH3uh oh!https://topdeck.gg/deck/5T0m0dzqv94NiJKTj1tN/Q1cABSjb9kZsLIPMakdeBwHKoBn2uh oh!https://moxfield.com/decks/lgDYW8S5ZEmXiDahtCZg_Auh oh!
>>96882173These screenshot cards are all so atrocious I think they were just selected at random or by checking time stamps for relevant dialogue. Maybe even selected by ai.
>>96882186I think the majority of them look like absolute shit, this and Mystic Remora are the only two that look fine
>>96882191all of these cards should be banned btw
>>96882173because they're legit retarded and lazy.pic related would actually be perfect art for Blasphemous Act, which is a suicide-bomb boardwipe that hurts your side as well as the enemy's board and is cheaper the more bodies there are in play, which Gyatso taking out an entire room full of firebenders fits perfectly.Additionally, even the name "blasphemous act" is fitting, since the Air Nomads are sworn pacifists who normally abhor taking a life, so Gyatso unleashing the full horrific extent of airbending by slaughtering an entire room full of elite firebenders by simultaneously suffocating them shows how desperate the nomads were in the face of the Fire Nation's invasion.Instead we get stupid fucking meme cards that look like ugly proxies
>>96882167I'll take that as a no
>>96881901did they not get the rights to do Korra aswell? Korra sucked ass but atleast it would make since to make cards of them too
>>96882213likewise instead of the horrific close up of ozai's face for cruel tutor, if they used the zoomed out shot of zuko prostrated while the audience watches on, it would actually be alright looking.
>>96882241Hideous. Even Bandai isn't retarded enough to just use DBZ, OP or Gundam screenshots.
>>96881430>humilityInteresting choice
>>96882241>>96882213I have no idea who chose which still frame went on the cards but they need to be fired
>>96879423fucking abolish all original rules
>>96882232Likely wanted to save it as a second set if the first went well.But Avatar has now surpassed LOTR for licensed character with the most cards of them. If you don't count Doctor Who.
>>96882256That's mostly due to Jumpstart giving him two extras. Four in the main set at least makes sense.
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>>96881631AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHApiggies will still eat btw
>>96879423>only 3000 people can play this format in the United States
I'm huge into Avatar, loved it as a kid and love it now. Something about the set is just missing something man. Just feels like they weirdly focus on some things and dont choose to represent others that should be and the cards themselves idk most i dont feel super excited about I mean there are some cool ones for sure but overall the main feeling I'm feeling rn is damn wish theyd done better
>>96882263There's 7. Not 6. I am absolutely counting "Aang and Katara"
>>96882286The ultimate form of gatekeeping. I'm positive this was peak edh, I would have loved to have played then.
>Thing that is objectively terrible>OMG THIS IS THE BEST EVER!When your entire personality is built off of contrarianism you look really stupid
>>96882300the no copycats rule is kinda how i operate already desu, if someone has the same commander as me im very quick to find a new one.
>>96882246
Wait you guys dont play by this rule? My LGS has a sign up documenting who is allowed to play what commander. I identify as Markov and no one else is allowed to run Markov. I thought this was commonplace?
>>96882286Can you imagine how much fun it was at the time?
>>96882318>none of the games I mentionedAvatar is an ugly show and the screenshot cards are dogshit.
My local playgroup decided to play a format where everyone's commander is Mothman though?
>>96882319>Wow I like how X commander plays he seems really cool let me make a thematic off meta deck for hi->Can't do that because Caleb, who never showers and comes to the LGS 3 times a month has dibs on him in the google sheet>Can't play that commander now because that's the only LGS within 2 hours Amazing anon MTG is saved!
>>96882337mfw she was the only available general left who wasnt just a vanilla creature
>>96882337Yes
>>96882310Same
what are some decent ways to mill/slef-mill in mono black? I want to power up my Chainer a bit without draw fuckton into discard fuckton with necropot+skirge familiar
>>96882368Seriously?
A third Iroh that's a "give your opponents shit" thing.
>>96882372kinda foggy so i also forgot that this is a nonbo because of necro's discard replacement. i likely should get back to it after a good sleep
>>96882383there's necrolgia
>>96882375Oh fug
>>96882398I mean you could already do this with Blim or Zedruu.
>>96882401My color identity is Boros and my pronouns are R/W
>>96882413Just play blue-less Zedruu.
>>96882375Nobody 'owns' tokens right?
>>96882429You own a token if you're the one who created it.>111.2. The player who creates a token is its owner. The token enters the battlefield under that player’s control.
>thinking about putting grave pact into my rakdos aristocrats deck for some much needed control>friend says he's not gonna play against the deck if I do thisis it that unfun?
>>96882375Fuck it, put Farid in an Iroh deck, give people Scrap, it's at least funny.
>>96882375WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HIS FACE
>>96882451...Nothing?
>>96882455he looks like someone took a photo of him with a face filter overlay
>>96882446stop playing with babies
>>96882446I mean if you're a creature-focused deck without enchantment removal then yeah an aristocrats player resolving grave pact is basically 4 mana "you can't play any more"
>>96882446yes-ish, partially because game often hardly can progress and it turns into misery slog so be sure to have a way to actually win and enchantment removal is often more accidental rather than deliberate
>>96880641did badon turn 4 I had 2 black mages and a mysidian elder, used dark rit to wizard spellbookskullclamp combo player went nuts, got swung at for 24 by the sevalla player after dropping the double power dominus then the chatterfang player destroyed my spellbook despite lightning greaves and skullclamp drawing 14+ cards on board, then I played magus of the mirror and instantly died to an aristocrat loop. kinda bummed that my lgs are a bunch of cunts
>>96882472I'd call that a genuine skill issue, but I know some retard at my LGS would be the perfect example. It's either giga-sweats or a Cat 1 deck where the gameplan is scooping as soon as someone interacts with your 87-card combo that takes an entire game to pop off.
>>96882510>87-card combo that takes an entire game to pop off.based
>>96882471can't, they're friends after all>>96882472pretty much every deck in our group is creature focused, so yeah>>96882476there really is no slog with rakdos, but point taken. I'm mostly looking for some defensive measures, since I run solid single target removal but lack some good mass removal outside of 2 board wipes
Is beseech the queen the only argument people can put forward against hybrid? Because Black decks barely run that fucking thing already, it's not good. Either it's a 6 mana tutor or you're shoving in Chromatic Lantern and Urborg and other color fixing to maybe hit big on in your singleton deck that are otherwise, completely dead cards if you never see Beseech. This is such dogshit worrywarting.
>>96882557>Is beseech the queen the only argument people can put forward against hybrid?
>>96882446this isnt a control piece, this is a stax piece. control pieces in rakdos are like spot removal and tibalt's. slot no mercy instead of this if you want some breathing room and also to not be raged at
>>96882563>no mercygood call
>>96882557I find the more simple and correct thing "against hybrid" is that color identity is a rule and changing it from how it works right now benefits no one and is WotC continuing to get comfy changing the rules of the format more and more. Making vehicles/spacecraft into commanders was the same type of cringe, since they already had the precedent of "this can be your commander" written on the card and could have easily put it on the big tankers from the precons in EoE.
>>96882558It is, apparently, still tertiary in White to have extra combats, though it's never had a card that does it without an extra colour alongside it. I guess Finest Hour is probably the only example where it's like "yeah I guess white is contributing this"?
>>96882557Demanding specific problem cards is a trap.The mere fact that a "monocolor" deck can run cards of all colors is retarded.
>>96882634x/2 cards were literally designed to be played in all colors.Just like Waves of Aggression was designed to be able to be played in Mono-W.
>>96882248Yeah. It solves a lot of problems while creating some of it's own. If you have a lot of tokens, or a way to create them with it up and you have buffs, which the deck does, it can lead to blowouts. Your creatures probably will be more numerous, and definitely will be more dangerous.
>>96882375>not MarduONE FUCKING JOB
>>96882639I think there is an argument against twobrid being allowed in all decks but I remain entirely unconvinced by disallowing hybrid in monocolour.
>>96882650>Iroh>ethicless ambitionHave you ever seen the show?
>>96882650His three-colour card doesn't have white in it which really bothers me because that means you can't put his two other cards in a deck with the three-colour version helming it.
>>96882663Of course not, and idgaf who it is. I was more concerned about the top right of the card and the bottom half.
>>96882650>HEHE
>>96882670I hope you're not a "UB is bad" type person
>>96882684>I hope you're not a "UB is bad" type personFar from it. Again, I know almost nothing about the show but its mechanics/art are fine and makes sense. See pic rel? Only commander ifaik I can donate this too is Blim, and he fucking sucks.
Is he still viable?
>>96882698Probably still playable in like a bracket 2 as a voltron commander. He self-pumps, you can recur him from the yard to dodge commander tax, you can defend him with counter magic.
>>96882692Fair enough then, I empathize with your dilemma on mardu having one (1) playable commander and you're stuck jerking off vampire tribal with it
>>96882639>x/2 cards were literally designed to be played in all colors.You have said this precisely one billion times and it still has not become true. I wonder why you continue.
>>96882698Yes/Never was. I am a massive fan of the primordial dragons. I keep several built at any give time. Vorosh is one of the worst. 6 power ~> 12 power ~> 18 power ~> 24 power is both very difficult to achieve and weirdly terrible for commander damage. That being said, its edh. Everything is viable. Here is my current vorosh build, ill see if I can update it tonight.https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/vorosh-2025/This is by no means optimal or even the best route for vorosh but I do enjoy it. My most successful version was a hardcore discard build.
>>96882684>I hope you aren't a person
>>96882725That's an interesting build. Hardly any removal and lots of enchantments. I'll check it out.
>>96882763I call it non-traditional control, the more updated version has more tapping effects. Steal, tap and forced combat.
I've been playing commander for just under two years and I'm struggling to find enjoyment playing. Pretty much every game night ends up being thoroughly unenjoyable. Usually it comes from not doing well in the game and being stopped in favor of someone else winning or being removed so early that I spend an hour+ doing nothing. For example, just a couple nights ago I was killed turn five (we are solid bracket 3 btw borderline 2) and then sat around for nearly two hours waiting for my friends to finish the game that they removed me from. This seems to happen over and over again and I don't know how to change my mindset to not be salty. Either I'm stuck waiting for long periods of time or I lose to such frustrating bullshit I can't even appreciate it from an objective standpoint. >Yeah we kill you because your decks are strong, anonRight, my fucking 2/2s and seven cost commander is really threatening everyone compared to the aristocrats player with a full board and sac outlets. I'm already starting to crash out just thinking about it
>>96882776start playing decks as busted as possibleif you're being 3v1'd on the regular then you have every cause to do so
>>96882776I have to agree with >>96882782 on this. Show your playgroup what an actual threat looks like compared to what you have been playing. Just go completely over the top.
>>96882782I dont even run game changers or stax in my decks but my friends do. Pretty sure every game at least one of my friends has a rhystic study or smothering tithe out. Then its whatever other game changers they stuffed into their decks that I have to contend with.
>>96882776I mean it sounds like 2 problems at once1. You're shit at deckbuilding.2. Your pod is playing 4s and calling them 2-3sTurn 5 is insanely early to be ending the game. I think the bracket guide even says something like bracket 2 should go at least 9 turns and bracket 3 should go 7? I don't know, someone fact check me on that. But point is their power level is bullshit.But at the same time, if you're sitting around doing nothing you've built a bad deck, simple as that.All of my decks are hard 2s with a few decent 3s and the way I gauge if they're going to be playable is to play out the first 8 turns on Archidekt. If by the end of turn 8 I have an absolutely absurd board, then I know my deck will be OKAY at the LGS. In real life there's so much interaction that my board is hardly ever going to end up like it did in play testing, so what I'm really testing there is how well my deck can recover from being fucked with>>96882807>I dont even run game changers or stax in my decks but my friends do. Pretty sure every game at least one of my friends has a rhystic study or smothering tithe outPretty much confirms what I said about power levelsYou either need to find a new pod or just proxy some fucking game changers and stop crying about it. I don't know what other advice you thought strangers on the internet might have
>>96882776happens to me all the time. the ironic part in my case is that my friends pretty much ignore my top killer decks and let me roam (and win) freely, while they always gang up against my weaker jank decks that barely do anything.
>>96882811>Turn 5 is insanely early to be ending the gamekilling a single player on t5 is kinda easy for bracket 2 aggro decks... if nobody interacts. also, 1 dead player doesn't mean the game is over. also, he is talking about bracket 3, where a t5 kill should be expected from certain decks>t3 drop xenagos>t4 drop fat beater>t5 drop additional combat, you're dead
Dear /edhg/, help me finish this stupid human/wizard tribal homunculus I have cooked up:https://moxfield.com/decks/QviBXb8vwk26hgqUen3NNg
>>96882776Chess clock time, there's no reason turns should be taking more than 30 seconds
>>96882825Nah.
>>96882826>help me finishNaw m8 you finish before you get help.
>>96882831that was generous even, with a sol ring start xenagos kills the first player on t4
>>96882776Time to for your joker arc
>>96882836>>96882776Are you the xenagod player from earlier today?
>>96882834The deck's in a weird spot, not enough instants and sorceries to justify putting dedicated support cards for it, and I don't know how to continue on. The basic idea is to build a board and pump creatures via card draw triggers like Proft's, and Knowledge is Power
>>96882811I don't really think my decks are that bad. They just seem to pick me whenever they have the chance to kill someone. For example the time they killed me and I sat there for two hours was Satoru ninjutsuing in a blightsteel and killing me turn 5.>Just have removalI didn't draw any. >Advice from strangers on the internetNeither did I which is why I engaged strangers on the internet
>>96882851Great add some instants and get to 99 +1.
>>96882825>sol ring signet>t2 land drop xenagos>t3 malignus take out someone without blockers>repeat on t4 and t5 if you don't draw extra combat or trample giverthis does require absolute godhand but its no reason for the guy's group to target him forever, and hell it's the most timmy timmy that actually wants to stay in real bracket 2 and maybe low 3s because it will just get hated out since not only they see the gameplan from faraway most xenagos decks are not resilient enough to deal with hate from 3 players (and barely any does really without specifically building for it) playing 4s
>>96882848no, and you quoted two different people rn
>>96882337It could be even dumber>Oh well, one guy who lives in Nome came here and played with that commander once so he's off limits even though we're in Juneau.
>>96882873That's why I asked
>>96882871I'm talking about killing a single player early, not winning the entire game, because I'm referring to >>96882776 who got killed early. my favorite t4 win with xenagos was with ojer kaslem into moraug and fetchland plus a fetchland in hand, triggering 3 more combat stacks and steamrolling the table
>>96882857>I don't really think my decks are that bad. Of course you don't.>They just seem to pick me whenever they have the chance to kill someone.Yeah it's because you have the worst deck and will be least able to respond or retalliate.>>Just have removal>I didn't draw any.Don't think I recommended this.Funny thing is, whenever someone is bitching about their decks playing like shit, my suggestion would actually be more draw and not more removal.9 times out of 10 the problem with a deck is that it lacks consistency. The solution to consistency is almost always draw. Unless you're just tutoring for a win-the-game combo of course.But yeah, more draw means you see more of your deck in a game and have more options at any given time. No matter what theme you're trying to play and what colors you're in, you have access to draw and you should prioritize it above cards that "do the thing" even though it hurts.The sad reality of building commander decks is that even though you get 100 cards, most of your list needs to just be lands, staples, and enablers. Only a small part of your list is actually going to be for doing whatever wicked cool thing you came up with. I'd say 25 cards or so.
>>96882900Alright, thanks for your advice anon.
>>96882921Well now I feel like I've told a stray puppy to get lost.Go on. Post your favorite fucking deck and we'll try to fix it I guess.
>>96882634>The mere fact that a "monocolor" deck can run cards of all colors is retarded.so is sisay and kenrith being mechanically mono-white permanents yet enabling you to run any card ever printed in mtg.....and yet you live with it
>>96882927>so is sisay and kenrith being mechanically mono-white permanents yet enabling you to run any card ever printed in mtg.....and yet you live with itNo because color identity is determined by mana pips on the face of cards.Cards that have mana pips in their text box need access to those colors of mana, hence their identity including them. Otherwise you would play Kenrith and only have a few cards in your entire deck that would give you access to 4 of his 5 effects.You have made this same argument so many times in these threads and you haven't once even bothered to make a better point even though you've been slapped down repeatedly.
>>96882900I don't think that's entirely accurate depending on the deck and table you're playing with. A lot of "staples" aren't actually the best picks for some commanders.Take for instance my Voltron Deck: I have some true staples that would be solid picks in any mono-W deck: Stroke of Midnight, Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Enlightened Tutor, for example. But a lot of other picks come from the gameplan, even in interaction. I run Dispatch because I'll be hitting the metalcraft requirements; I'm running more boots (and less good boots) than I have to because equipment is equipment. My protection and interaction choices are part of the cool thing.In my mono-U graveyard brew almost all my interaction is some flavor of flashback so I can mill it to use it.Go-Shintai is doing constellation effects and ETBs mostly to interact. The closest I have to just a pile of instants is my Y'shtola who WANTs to be slamming a pile of 3 cost instants as the wincon.There are definitely decks that are less flexible and I suspect at higher power tables there's less room for picking fun options over the most efficient options, but I'd place the 'must include' interaction suite in most decks to be closer to 15 cards, with another 10-15 being on theme interaction, leaving about a third of your deck for lands and another third for the more direct gameplan and value.
https://moxfield.com/decks/uKXlZ5zwbEyhseyYgiKYnwAlright I finally finished this.Im worried that the deck is overly dependent on the commander and ironically I might lose if Taii is just removed on sight. I really like this concept of running lots of removal and drawing cards for free. It seems like Taii herself is a decent enough wincon because all spells effectively become X spells due to the ability.I added a splash of Vehicles which interact with sorc/instants because they are cool and fuck you. I was hoping to run a bit more explicit artifact synergy but this list is pretty full. Obviously this is mostly red because red has the better burn spells.R8
>>96879131just threw in anything that said assassin basically
>>96882776Your friends are fags probably playing stronger decks. Ditch them for a better group or proxy a cedh deck and stomp them
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>>96882987Pulling a nuclear option instead of building a deck that suites the situation Classic no-gamer
>>96882605It will now be getting extra combats from blue.
>>96883067Extra combats in blue at least make sense as a 'smaller' version of extra turns.
>>96882722If they weren't then how come they can be casted with 6 colorless :^)
>>96882663Thankfully not.
I am tired of playing "turn creatures sideways" decks. But people cry about any deck that isn't that
>>96883067How is it possible for the people in charge of a game to also hate it and want to change everything about it?
Dockside bros? Are we back?
>>96883161>change is the same as hatepeak mental illness.
>>96879249It even gives you 2:flicker your best etb
>>96883136>lose to boardwipe>lose to fog>lose to stax
>>96883067Why? I think blue is plenty strong already. It doesn't need more.
>>96883275Because blue gets to have everything, and if there is something that it doesn't get, that needs to be changedCounterspells in other colors? Go fuck yourself, that's blue's thing, and nobody else can have it!Same as it ever was
>edric>indomitable>toski>gixThere's exactly one type of deck that I like.All I need now is a red one and a white one. There's gotta be a red commander that does coastal piracy as impulse draw, right?
>>96883340>>96883340>>96883340Hope you had a fun halloween frens dash on over to the new thread!
>>96883275They need a flashy effect for blue in standard so they want to replace extra turn effects with a more limited version since extra turn effects tend to get banned in standard.
>>96883343Won't it get banned?
>>96883375Gotta love having an autistic archaic rule from a decade and a half ago.
What the fuck is this
>eslfag deleted his own thread
>>96879153It's funny how the pool of cards with high devotion would just explode for him. There aren't many good mono red cards with three or more devotion, but shit like Blade Historian would be great in him.
>>96882725>I am a massive fan of the primordial dragons. I keep several built at any give time.which were the best?
>>96883846This seems like it would be pretty fun with him. Five pips on its own and can steal more for you.
>>96883891>>96883846what an incredibly cancerous change
>>96883897if they can't make people change to UB then they'll find another way to change the format
want to build a deck around this guy. many cheap, high toughness creatures so sac them and turn them into flying zombies. sounds kinda fun. dont care if its strong or not. what else would make sense in a mono blue deck like this? maybe some creature stealing spells?but I guess players hate it when you steal their stuff rightt?
>>96884153use him to bait out removal by threatening to steal and then combo out in peace. maybe altar of the brood + undead alchemist to keep it zombie themed
>>96883067>>96883161blue literally already has extra combat via trickery/illusion/deception you stupid secondaries
>>96884213more specifically, "TAKE AN ENTIRE EXTRA FUCKING TURN" has been Blue from Day 1. Additional phases that are small pieces of a full turn fits into Blue as well and is less of a headache to balance. Flavorwise a blue card with extra combats would be more like stealing time from enemies or fakeouts with illusions or whatever.This does tie back to "blue can do anything lol" because Magic is a game about being a powerful wizard casting spells, and Blue is the Wizard color that's all about being the best at spells. The only thing they can't reliably do is gain life because wizards have been bad at healing for 40+ years of TTRPGs
>>96883067lel get fucked colorwheel homos
Extra combat is not the same as an extra turn in flavor and that's what the colors are ultimately for.
>>96884230The colors are not just flavor, they're mechanical limitations lmao. The only ones who can go "it's just flavor bruv!" are Blue because Blue has historically been allowed to do whatever the fuck it wants.blue can even have green-tier giant big stompy creatures as long as you give them gills
>>96882857Start building around this? Fogs? Banding creatures? Board wipes? The game has the tools to stop these sort of deaths. Start sandbagging. Have a gameplan other than vomit board and try to win with fingers crossed no interaction.Also 2 hour games are a social problem. Some retard is taking more time than he needs to. Or they're all playing board wipe tribals, also a sign of retards.
>>96883882Keep in mind at best these are still battlecruser decks. I've personally had the most success with crosis I've been told that's a very hot take though. The way I see it, all of the dragons are pretty weak and likely wont be activated more than twice a game so color is very important. Crosis both has great colors and the discard effect is very good at stripping counters from a players hand. Likewise treva is a dragon I find myself winning with more often than others, you would be surprised how often gaining 10 life can be the difference between winning and losing. I find intet/dromar weirdly weak despite good colors and good effects. My most recent intet list is showing promise. We will see. Teneb/rith have better abilities on paper but not the best colors and on the table I find them to be too low impact. Ive been meaning to revisit rith due to feedback on this take. Also the resident /edhg/ teneb players list makes me want to revisit it as well.Numot checks all the boxes but players see LD and shit themselves despite the fact Id activate him between 0-2 in an average game just to get rid of some utility lands likely. Obviously darigaaz/oros are the worst (flavor fail for darigaaz) but I still like them. Theres something freeing about building a deck with a general that bad.
>>96883882It's Rith by far for scaling the best in commander. More opponents vomiting permanents means more 1/1s which have easy ways to be utilized with all WRG go-wide support (hoof, tremors, goblin bombardment, phyrexian altar, etc). I'm not insulting the primodragon guy but I think Naya might just not be what his library is geared towards if he doesn't think it's the obvious best in commander. He's not even a necessary component as Naya go-wide is so supported you can have a strong deck without even casting him.
>>96884251limitations based on flavor you mean
Thread is a ghost town without all the wotc shills in it wow
>>96884451they are holding their spam for the start of the next one thinking they get more eyes. it's like ads before a movie. people don't pay attention to them
>>96884451>>96884502aren't the threads usually ghost towns around this time?
>>96879131Please, give me budget recommendations.https://moxfield.com/decks/elqLTYOHrEqGG2UnNePLbw
>>96879106>TQCascade by a long shot. Engaging in gambling to get an absolute asspull of a turn is always fun.
>>96884626 Looks like the deck could use some card selectionCathartic reunion effects and a small reanimator package
>>96884642what would you cut? only card i have been considering cutting is wild wasteland.
>>96884626the trio or now quad team of "each opponent sacrifices a creature" andvictimizedread returnburied aliveanimate deadI know it might seem like just homogenizing into "black.dek+red splash" but getting resuable tools or salt-free tutors. Im not sure to stuff like Sign in Blood, Read the bones and Risky shortcut, there is plenty of creatures, demon included or at least Kotophed, that give you draw for creatures dying. Regenerate effect are also pretty damn niche because threatening stuff will likely be exiled and wide-stuff will be hit with something that forbids regeneration
>>96884665Cuts are pretty personal. I might look at swapping cards like not dead afterall for reanimation unless theres synergy there Im not seeing. The FF version of stitched together is like 40c and if you work on filling your yard its a great option I probably wouldnt cut any creatures, they seem a bit lite as is
>>96884665Something rubs me the wrong way about asking for recs AND cutsYou gotta build your own deck manplay the deckFind what doesnt workCut it
>>96884626My favorite budget black card is ransack the lab
>>96884687one mana instant protection for big demons, notably my commander that will ETB again for one mana if someone tries to remove it, thats why i think its better than reanimation which is sorcery speed.>>96884679>Kotophedi feel like someone is just gonna pop 15 treasures and kill me with it on the board, it is was may i would include it.>>96884696my bad nigga, sorry to bother you.
>>96884213>>96884221You know these are not the same and I only hope WotC compensates you for your dedication to inane bullshit
>>96883168Change for the sake of change is not a good thing. WotC fucking with the format just because they can is not a good thing.
>>96884213>Cast this spell only during the declare blockers step on an opponent’s turnHe’s not even trying with this bait
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>>96884626nigga you won our last game your decks fine, sauron player here
