Previous: >>96891279>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ: Do you expect more 4c Commanders? Do you want more? What archetypes do you want them to support?
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Ugin is pumping this dragon full of white mana...
>>96895584>Do you expect more 4c Commanders? I was expecting Aang to be one but he's a fucking 5c commander for some reason>Do you want more?ye>What archetypes do you want them to support?Give me a GWUB commander that isn't Atraxa and I'll support it no matter what it does
>>96895584>Do you expect more 4c Commanders? Do you want more? What archetypes do you want them to support?I want them to stop printing commanders for the next decade.
>TQI hoped for more, and I thought Aang was gonna be a sick one but then they slapped the Black Mana symbol on the back. >Do you want more?Absolutely, and I don't mean partners before the monkey paw curls>What archetypesSo I think that a lot of them should either support specific card types, creature types, or some other thing like that. Breya is a good example as a non-green artifact machine, but I remember rambling at one point about a Kavu 4c GBRW commander who gave Kavu keywords based on what color they are or something like that (Dominaria Kavu, this is before the EoE ones were revealed).
Print him wotc.Now all I need is a white one.
TES UB when that reuses TESL cards
>>96895711ESL-kun?
>TQA few weeks back I argued in this very thread that Star Trek should be a 4c-focused set, along the following guidelines:>Federation - WURG>Klingons - WRBG>Romulans - WUBG>Borg - WURB>The Dominion - UBRGI even made this dumbass card as an example but also kind of a shitpost (huge flavor dub tho)
>TQI don't expect any outside of a handful partners with commanders, and it's not a bad thing since wotc can only seem to design generic value commanders at 5c and we don't need more 4-5 color good stuff valueslop piles
>>96895584Despite the fact that wotc is more willing to try out new shit because of ub they will forever be too bitchmade to do anything with 4c cards or make any decent amount of 4c commanders. theyve seemed to comfortable decide that partners and partner like mechanics will be what fills the 4c niche
>>96895900Alright Einstein YOU design a 4c commander that some dipshit on the Internet can't immediately ask why it lacks the 5th color.
>>96895900wotc has admitted multiple times they lack creativity to design 4 color commanders.>>96895910>why it lacks the 5th colorwhy should it have the fifth color?
>>96895910This isnt really an argument because of the amount of commanders that are 3 colors just because wotc knows the average timmy prefers 3 color commanders to 2 or the amount of 5 color commanders that again exist just because people like 5c. You can just make a 4c commander and say yeah it's 4 colors because it is like they already do. You could do what is commonly suggested and make a 4c card hate or emphasize the missing color. Make a 4c commander that doesnt have blue do something everytime an opponent draws more than 1 card or some shit. Or it could be 4c purely for flavor and lore reasons without much impact on the function of the card.You can do whatever the fuck you want if you're wotc it's their fucking card game the only reason they dont do something is because they dont want to.
>>96895913>Design 4c commander>Some retard on the Internet points out how it either lacks design space from one of the colors, or has overlap with its missing color>It is no longer a 4c commander
>>96895943>design 4c commander>autist screeches>ignore him>print 4c commanderShrimple
>>96895951Then there's no reason to make a 4c commander if your only reason is "I want 4c". That design space is already filled.
>>96895965>there's no reason>goes on to state a perfectly valid reasonWho taught you how to think? Get a refund anon.
>>96895969You will play the 5c slop and you will like it.
>>96895965>This isnt really an argument because of the amount of commanders that are 3 colors just because wotc knows the average timmy prefers 3 color commanders to 2 or the amount of 5 color commanders that again exist just because people like 5c.refer to this portion of my post. Your argument that there is specifically no reason to make 4c commanders holds no weight when they constantly make commanders that have no reason to be 3 colors or 5 colors
Solution to the 4c commander problem >nephilim errated to legendary
>>96895975>Autist wants HIS autism catered to
>>96895994is there any playgroup that wouldn't let you use a nephilim commander? them being allowed is like the most common houserule
commanders outside of mono and duo colored should be banned
>>96895994I've got a better idea. Cut one of the colors and play one of the hundreds of three-color commanders. There is no way your deck only works if it has access to exactly four colors.>Nooo! You don't understand! I'm very special and not some three color peasant. I need to cram as much good stuff in my deck as possible!Grow up.
>>96896046This, but unironically.
>>96896050>nephilim are the only 4 color creatures that do something unique >anon has a melty over seeing they should be legendary
>>96896050>5 colorCool!>4 colorWhoa.... slow down guy!
>>96895584>Do you expect more 4c Commanders? Do you want more? What archetypes do you want them to support?Expect? No, it's clear Wizards has abandoned the idea. Want? Desperately, the choices we have are grim. What types? Different than what we have now
4 Color commanders are the same as WUBRG sloppa but with an extra step so sloppa enjoyers can feel like they arent actually playing WUBRG sloppa.If you look like picrel and you want more 4 color commanders then YOU are whats wrong with edh.
>>96896149Then just play 5 color and leave one color out. You will need the mana fixing anyway.
>cast, bounce back to hand when it gets targeted >repeat for each player, maybe several times per game>include some double strike stuff for one-shots to end the gameThis sounds fun but very unviable. I'd of course go the Madness route with Looting/whatever, but still. It also relies on people having a lot of desirable creatures out at any given moment. Any other way to play her?
>>96896155The problem with 4c has always been that it is an archetype that is defined by the absence of a color. That is extremely difficult design space to cover; after all a large number of effects are found in several colors-- we can't just pull all those out and expect to get a cohesive vision of a creature. Further; decks that include four colors are minimally constrained by being able to grab cards that have effects secondarily, for example, and thus outside of very tightly (or sloppily, depending on how you look at them) designed exceptions, they're a fucking nightmare to get right.I'm not against them, but of all the problems WOTC has produced, 4c is one of them that I accept the answers regarding its difficulty. It's an answer to questions that have to be found; and it's just simpler to WUBRG it.
Decks should be 2c max
>>96896200>The problem with 4c has always been that it is an archetype that is defined by the absence of a colorcorrecttherefore make legendary color hate commanders wotc let's gooooo>they still won't do it ofc, but it's not like there's no design space
>>968962161c*
>>96896200>The problem with 4c has always been that it is an archetype that is defined by the absence of a color. That is extremely difficult design space to coverYes, I know, because that's what Maro has been saying for almost a decade. It's *the* argument for never doing them again, I don't give a single dusty fuck for it.
>>96896174Do you just argue to argue?
>>96896238Do you not?
>>96896200The problem with 4c has always been that it is an archetype that is defined by pulling out your credit card FACT
>>96896240No im happy with life.
>>96896246Well la-de-fucking-da mr. financially conscious; but lets just add in the fifth color anyways so I can show off my foil etched "Go Shintai of Poorfag Tears".You could always just proxy the motherfuckers as long as you're not paying off chang to do it.
>>96896200feels like it would make a good design space for commanders with powerful effects, and a drawback related to the color they don't have
>>96896187you use emrakul 3.0 as an instant speed mass theft of an opponent's creatures, and it'll help if you have few creatures of your own once 3.0 leaves the field
I was playing planechase EDH today and i got this plane for the first time, and it makes the game so bizarre. It's a strange dynamic where you don't really want to gain life or deal too much damage to anyone
>>96896187literally me, every turn. Actually sounds fun in a dick-move kinda way
>>96896230maro is a full of shit coward anyways,
>>96896200I think Breya is a good template for a 4 color commander. Being anti-artifact is a core Green thing, so you define her by artifacts, with abilities that are each clearly drawn from one of her colors.
>>96896372I should rebuild Breya, she was my first semi competent deck but that was way back in 2017/2018. I guess I can just make her "oops, all combos" again but updated for 2025.
who is your pet favorite commander that always holds a special place in your heart even if they're objectively not very good? for me it's hands down evra. she's the purest embodiment of my inner mono-white timmy's desire to play a bunch of plains and turn shit sideways.
Gruul cards to turn him into a land, other than Ashaya?
>>96896424Trelasarra, incremental lifegain and getting to manipulate the top deck?! The perfect commander to learn incremental life gain blows chunks.
>>96896424My first ever commander. Pure control, nearly every single card untapped him or was a counter spell of some kind. It was hot garbage
>>96896432There's like 30 green 1-2 cost spells that untap your creature. Just run them instead
>>96896437if you didn't use pennies as bribery counters you're doing it wrong
>>96896440bumi has "only land creatures can attack during this phase" so to go infinite he needs to be a land, just untapping him isnt enough
>>96896436>to learn incremental life gain blows chunks.It's been over a decade and my friends still haven't learned this. They also think cards like Phyrexian Arena, Greed, etc are the worst cards in the game. It's.. painful playing with them, sometimes
>>96896441I, infact, carried a little coin purse with me to game nights filled with foreign coins that I used. It was thematic as fuck.
>>96896443yeah I'm a fucking retard and missed that
>>96896440>only land creatures can attack during that combat phaseI can untap him, but can't deal damage with him to trigger it again and again unless he’s a land. Though I could try and find a way to firebrand in extra turn cards, and then combat + aggravated assault with Bumi attacking for all three would give me three additional combat steps
>>96896458Full throttle, not aggravated assault
Is it socially acceptable to run Drannith Magistrate in B3 or will people sperg out?
>>96895584>TQNo I don't. It doesn't really look like they know what to do with four colors. Usually one is barely represented or it's something that could have easily just been five. Honestly I would rather they do more focus on mono color stuff. Seems like three colors has been their main focus.
>>96895668Honestly I wouldn't mind something like this for each color. It be cool to have a cycle of stuff like this.
>>96896535It isn't socially acceptable outside of 5.
>>96896535lol what is this pussy shit. do you ask permission to smoke inside too?
>>96895994>nephilim errated to legendaryWhy haven't we seen any new nephilim anyway? They were cool.
>>96896424Kyler. He was probably the first commander I really clicked with thematically. I really liked Innistrad and the feel he had and the wide spread power board states he'd make. But he just ended up often feeling too expensive mana wise and too fragile with how pivotal he was to the game plan. Even when he's snowballing it just didn't keep up with the decks I was usually seeing which could usually vomit out or cheat in everything. I still keep the bulk of the deck around but I haven't played it in a long while. I keep wanting to revisit him and see what else I could do to try and bring him up to speed.
>>96896458Oh my science is that Loot?!
>>96896535Spergs will sperg if you do anything that keeps their Timmy pile from doing the thing. so drop that drannith and enjoy the tears.
>>96896549>smokingcringe
>>96896616>enjoying tearscringe
>>96896424There's better ways to steal, there's better ways to aggro, there's much better tribes, damn did they nail what a tribe should be with Pirates and I refuse to pull apart my crew even though they struggle even in B2 games.
Would people play this? mostly asking because of her expression.
>>96896620>>96896626>STOP HAVING FUN
>>96896432There's not a whole lot. As the other anons said, it's way easier to find straight up untap creature cards like Staff of Domination. WOTC are very boring designers.
anyone else kinda hating the flavor of these atla cards? like this lady needs to do stuff with clue tokens and stun counters, being a sac outlet makes no sense.
>>96896535B3 is the absolute worst bracket to play in because it has shitters too bad for 4 or 5 but they also have inflated egos and sense of importance/get way more asshurt about losing compared to relaxed B1/2playing in B3 is basically swimming in piss with all the "my deck's a 7" people that the bracket system was explicitly designed to avoid. By the rules you are allowed to run gamechangers in B3 but I will also guarantee you that it will be incredibly common for spergs to throw a tantrum if you dare interrupt their attempts at playing solitaire
>>96896659they've been using Clue tokens to represent the search for the avatar and I guess her being a bounty hunter makes her good at tracking people down but I agree it's very boring design
>>96895668that's just nuGonti but red
>>96896659>Hottest bitch in the UB gets a dogshit cardIt keeps happening
>>96896659Killing for clues makes sense for her I think. I think that was their way to express her "interrogating" people. Though it feels like the flavor would have been better if you made clues by killing opponent's creatures instead of your own. That part is weird. Or just any creature dying triggering her clue making. I also have no idea why they chose to make it only during your turn.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96896696>1 mana repeatable sac outlet for artifact tokens on a 2 mana body>dogshit cardyou're just bad at magic, anon.
>>96896696>Ardenn but partner-less and for double the pricegrim
>>96896742the actually playable rate for a repeatable sac outlet is "free" anom
>>96896751>everything has to be completely bustedFuck off unironically
>>96896753if you think free sac outlets are busted and not the default expectation you seriously need to play some actual magic the gathering, you're already paying a cost on needing something to sac, you don't need retarded shit nickel and diming you on top of that.
>>96896706i think it'd make far more sense for the character to put stun counters when you sac a clue token, her hunting down her target and her shirshu paralyzing them.
>>96896663The brackets have nothing to do with skill though.
>>96896761They can be both. Just because they already had a good variety of cards over a decade ago, doesn't mean they aren't kinda busted. The fact that fucking carrion feeder is played in aristocrats decks just for that is proof enough.Going infinite is so much easier with one of the altars and sometimes even a normal sac outlet, it's unreal.
I really don't like the power creep that the game is experiencing the last few years. Everything is pushed to buggery and even the shitty tiring system is barely a band-aid fix.
Which one would you take out from a vampire deck on very casual tables where they don't want the infinite?Vito won me a game recently but the conqueror is so oppressive if he stays on the field for any amount of time, i really can't decide.
>>96896968Take out neither and just don't use them as a combo, if you have Conqueror, keep Vito in your hand and vice versa. That way the lower tier table is happy and you can also play when they wanna go a little harder.
>>96896432Toph seems easier to use.
>>96896971Yeah I could do that, so far most people just said it's fine to keep the combo as long as I don't tutor for it asap.Just wondering who i should take out if someone does ask me to.
>>96896897>The brackets have nothing to do with skill though.correct. unfortunately, since edh has become the format most new players are introduced to the game, as well as the most common format for paper mtg in general, there are many people who ONLY play commander, and those people unfortunately often equate brackets with skill, with B1/B2 being "easy" and B3/4 being "harder"/more skilled. To anyone used to 60 card magic this is obviously fucking retarded, the entire game of Commander is noncompetitive from the start. And a format being lower power has nothing to do with skill either; Draft and Limited are as low-power Magic as it gets and are some of the best ways to test skill as a player, barely anyone plays Vintage precisely because it's such a high power format it's not really fun for most people, while Pauper is incredibly popular and has one of the most diverse metagames of any format. (In fact right now I'd argue pauper has THE best meta and variety bar none)
>>96896968not much point running conqueror unless you're doing the exquisite blood combo. Converting life gain to damage is much stronger than the alternative especially if you already have a lot of Lifelink. Vito on a card with lifelink and doublestrike is 4x damage.
>>96897068I think you're right yeah, i guess i'll replace the Conqueror with High Society Hunter or Vein Ripper when i need to.
>>96896976This seems genuinely awful though. Both tophs are unplayable. Earthbend is massively overrated lmao
Can llms play magic the gathering for me yet? I have decks that need playtesting and I cba.
>>96897377>giving one of the most powerful archetypes (landfall aka getting free value from just playing like everyone else) retriggers>awful
>>96897431You can already do that in a myriad of ways with lands. This only does it to one of them a turn. Definitely massively overrated yeah
>>96897446now all my graveyard exiling HAS to be instant speed even on my turn if I want to get rid of a single non-basic that is preventing me from winning
>>96897461You guys don't run Scavenger Grounds?
>>96897461>no no they can protect value pieces now!!! This was impossible before!
>>96897478>IAHI>>96897529grigger hands typed this post
>>96897622Well you instantly lost the ability to defend your position i think my work here is done.
>>96897622No, seriously, I don't get it. You turned all permanents into artifacts and all of yours into lands. What does that do for you that playing Lattice + Vandalblast/Bane of Progress didn't already? As far are graveyard instant-speed iteraction goes, SG can be played in any deck and doesn't cost mana - there's no reason to not run it if you're that scared of graveyard strategies unless you're playing 4-5 colors, in which case you have enough colors to access every single potetial answer in the game.
>>96897736>I don't get itIAHI = I always have it
I just think Toph looks cute and she can be pretty funny as well if you think about it
I am trying to organize my old-head friends, who haven't gathered since pre-Covid, to come hang-outDo you think it would be best for us to>Play our old Commander decks, as they currently are (even though they contain banned cards and there is a possible power-mismatch)>Try and modernize our Commander decks and figure out which bracket we are playing>play something different, like Monopoly instead?Thanks tg
>>96897764I would start with option 1 and then option 2.If you have money to waste you could also buy a booster box of some good new set with your friends, opening packs is always a good way for getting people hooked again.
>>96897764I suggest playing with the old decks and then updating them later if you guys still enjoy the game seems like the best option imo
>>96897764Get the riftbound starter game
>>96897816Leagueslaves aren't human
>>96897829Its fun ^.^
case in point
>>96897816That's actually a great idea, I think I might.
Is Tekuthal, Encroaching Mycosynth, Decree of Silence too much for bracket 3?
>>96897888If you guys have any history with the game its definitely worth it for at least a night (if you can find it at proper price). I got the starter game for 30 CAD, and its set up for a 4 player experience.
>>96897914does it have instant speed spells? or is it just another doa turn based solitaire
Got my 2nd deck ready to go :3
>>96897420They can't even construct a deck properly, let alone play them.One of the issues with these models and "bots" in general is that they lack the comprehension and adherence to a strategy.Give it a dead simple deck like krenko and try LARPing a game with it. You'll quickly realize the problems.
I want more efficient removal like darksteel mutation and friends to answer the menace that is FIRE design legends
Don't know how accurate the translation is
>>96897894>telegraphed 3 card combo that doesn't immediately win the game>one of them is 8cmcit's ok even for bracket 2
>>96898242>eXcEpT iT's NoT LeGeNdAryFUCKING STOP THIS SLOP
Anyone got any tips of making a Bolas themed deck that isn't a total mess?
>>96898393>superfriendsjust do boardwipe.dec
>>96898397Superfriends is kinda gay though. I'm trying to make a thematically cohesive Bolas deck that also isn't complete shit (e.g. have all the Bolas's in the deck, have stuff like Bolas Citadel and Torment of Hailfire, etc).
>>96898483i have a bolas deck of my own, it's fine for bracket 2, like many other popular strategies>citadelyeah superfriends isn't good enough for bracket 3; reminder that primetime and aeons torn will eventually become GCs
>>96898483>kinda gayso very thematic for bolas then
>>96897960InnisCHAD
>>96897960I like these deck boxes. The little window showing the commander is such a nice detail. Only wish there were more color combinations.
>>96898393Idk about a total mess, but I got a ravager recently and I've been grabbing stuff from bulk boxes that I find thematic for a Bolas super villain deck. Pic related is most of what I've picked up recently, maybe it'll give you some ideas.
>>96898527Not that guy, but I'd love to see Emrakul finally escape gay baby jail. My Eldrazo deck has had every Titan in it except Aeons, and I'd love to finally out her in it.
>>96898571Here's what I grabbed along with the BBEG
>>96897059>pauperreddit format
>>96898604Sharing a nest with Ugin? Kinda gay.
>>96898623Holy shit a new rampant growth, that's actually really nice.
>>96898576aeons torn and primetime will serve as effective gatekeepers>if your deck can't beat them it doesn't belong in B3
Ready to miss out on another fomo lair?
I feel autistic rage seeing this for some reason
>>96898701That's rough buddy.
>>96898673>it's Vesuva>not city of brassThe art is kimd of pretty, but I find it extremely hard to justify a $200 purchase for cards I already own.
>>96896696my cardfu
>>96898675>My name's Toph because it sounds like tough!!this and the beach episode were kino
>>96898618commander is a reddit format
>>96898701>>96898708>heterosexual relationships in my DEI card game?! AAAAIIIEEEEEE
>>96898657MY CABBAGES XD
>>96898673I mean imma need that myrel nigga
>>96898710For me it's picrel
>>96898673yes, I've missed them allon purpose
>>96898632Fucking seriously, I think there's zero other unconditional 2cmc cards that do this
>>96898744good taste brother
>>96898751damn for an uncommon embercleave that's pretty good even without the trample
>>96898673Let me guess>go to site>it puts you in a queue>it crashes>you lose your place>reboot browser>it's sold out in 30 seconds
>>96898744For me, it's her
>>96898778record time sales must mean it was not bad enough! line go up
>>96898800I'm just gonna let Chang produce bootlegs of the cards I want and buy those.
>>96897937>or is it just another doa turn based solitaireI had this experience with the digimon card game. Didnt realize how much excitement comes from instant speed interaction, and I'm not even a counterspell guy.
>>96898804it is the sole reason magic and yugioh are still alive and have not been surpassed
>>96898744I claim my mysterious rural druid gf
>>96898818ngl yugioh survives because of the anime not because of its mechanics
>>96898819I always thought that character was an old hag for some reason
>>96898827So you're saying mtg would explode in popularity if we had a 100% anime set?
>>96897937Yes they are called reactions. As well as actions during a showdown.
>>96898778You queue for the queue now
>>96898827it used to and that's how it got so far but nobody likes the new series
>>96898834anime UB will be a smash hit that's for sure
>>96898834nta but if they would animate destroy all humanity on crunchy or something yeah
>>96898744She is very pretty.
>>96898673Is this one big drop or a collection of individual products? I have no idea how this works but there's like 3 cards I like here. Wait for singles?
>>96898847No fuck that. Give me a full UW anime set.
>>96898849i don't think wotc is based enough to adapt that manga, mainly because it was set in 1998 and that would mean they would have to acknowledge MUH RAYYYCCIIISSSTT cards like light of day lol
>>96898840Site won't even load for me bravo jotc another botched sale
>>96898853It's a $200 bundle. The shit cards will be tossed, and the good stuff will be held hostage for $50 per card by scalpers.
>>96898857I know. that's why it would be successful
>>96898860It's not just you. The site crashed lol.
>>96898856>Give me a full UW anime setand what, make chandra sexy, subject her to the male gaze, and undermine her lesbo thing with nissa?nosewater would never
>>96898866This one isn't cute...
>>96898866Anon...
>>96898866What did he mean by this unironically
>>96898866sauce?
>>96898866sauce me up anon please
>site is still crashedAre these niggas for real
>>96898866I'm not gay, but it does look a little delicious
>>96898872I'm so glad wotc incompetence ensured nobody will be able to get this drop except bots and scalpers
>>96896691Nugonti is theft, this is impulse.
>>96898906>>96898909Fansly @AmirahKamara
>>96898919that just means it will be marked as a success with no need to improve anything. which is a good thing I agree
>>96896601The cleavage raider himself.
>>96896659>>96896706>>96896782The mount does the stunning, to her, so if they made a separate card for her mount, that one would stun, like how Appa is its own card.
>>96898665Seems decent enough
>>96898827I don't think that's really the case. No one has cared about any of the anime after 5Ds.
>>96898913Alan...
>>96898866It's the way the foreskin peels back tbqh
>>96898804Instant speed interaction in MTG would be much better if all colors had access to counterspells.>But reprieve>But mana tithe>But the green veil spells>But but butno, actual counterspells, so you can tell the blue player to eat a dick and that you are in fact going to let the spell resolve
>>96898912It was up between the first crash and this one :^)
>>96899001Today I will remind him.
>>96898673Wow, they're just printing all the busted staples.
>>96899001Only if they are conditional and work for the color's pie. For example, red tossing a coin or having to discard 2 cards to counter a spell. Or even discard a card for a coin flip to counter a spell.Black needing to sacrifice and pay life, green needs to eat a big beast off of their field, and white obviously does it with Taxes.
>>96898968anyone that fell in love with 5Ds is old enough to have disposable income and be a yugioh whale
>>96898866>tfw not being hit in the face with a Gock like this right now
>>96899031>gockSwordbro...
>>96899033I've always disliked how they use such beautiful art on such shit cards that I will never play
>>96898673Hard pass on fugly cards. I’m still pissed at the Hydra secret lair.
>>96899004Alright anon, let's go through each and everyone of these:Artifact blast - goodAvoid fate - bad, too specificBurnout - okaydash hopes - not usable in EDHdawn charm - okayDeathgrip - basedEquinox - almost always uselessGuttural Response - bad until you can play it in mono greenIllumination - badJester's Scepter - Literally not usable in EDH except against meme decksLapse of Certainty - Too expensiveLifeforce - basedMage's Attendant - OkayMage's Contest - basedMana tithe - okayMolten Influence - not usable in edhNull brooch - goodNull elemental blast - goodOrder of the sacred torch - basedPyroblast - goodReality Smasher - badRebuff the wicked - goodRed elemental blast - goodRing of Immortals - fucking awfulStromgald Cabal - basedThrull Wizard - badTibalt's Trickery - overpowered and rarely used as an actual counterspellUnyaro Griffin - BadVigilant Martyr - bad except in enchantressWarping Wail - goodWithering Boon - okayAlmost none of these are anywhere near as potent as even a basic bitch blue counterspell, and blue can run like 10+ counterspells as their interaction in any deck.>>96899016I agree with this to a certain extent, but most of the non-blue counterspells that have been printed have been quite worthless.Warping Wail being one of the better ones since it is playable in most decks that want to prevent board wipes.
>>96899001>so you can tell the blue player to eat a dick and that you are in fact going to let the spell resolveThis is antithetical to the need for "real" counterspells because every color already has a ton of options for this. Three colors have it on a fucking static ability for 2 or less mana.Actual victim complex shit from people that say they want answers but don't run them.
>>96899001Not allowed instant speed interaction should look the same :^) only white should get them
>>96899049Voice of Victory and Grand Abolisher are nice, but they will get counterspelled most of the time.Vexing Shusher is good, however.
>>96898623This is legitimately the most important new card from the set for EDH
>>96898675Because it feels like some anon's shitty custom proxy that doesn't even match the flavor of the card unless you reeeaally stretch it?
>>96899065This anon actually plays magic
>>96899057If the blue player always has a creature counterspell on turn 2, you can always have the cavern of souls.
>>96899113>blue player stuffs his deck with 15+ pieces of instant speed interaction>this 1 land out of the 99 cards in my deck will surely be more likely to show up
>>96899118If the blue player's gameplan is just to counter everything, they're going to lose. You can't just keep trading-card-for-card when there's three opponents, they will run out of gas.
>>96899118Chimil and other cards also help. Not to mention you can fetch Cavern via stuff like Atlas, Urza's Cave, and so on.
Why don't more people run this? It's quite good. >pitch freecast>easy to hit multiple creatures>rapes token decks>doesn't target
>>96899135It's feelsbad
>site finally works>ETA more than an hourLol. Lmao even.
>>96899133Chimil is an auto-include in most of my green and red decks, or really any creature-focused deck with a modest CMC of like 3-4 for getting to cast those big bombs for free.It's a really good card, for sure. Also funny how it gets around one of my other favorite cards, Vexing Bauble.>>96899135Because it makes people really butthurt, which is why you should play it.>>96899132You know for a fact that is never just the gameplan.
>>96899135Waiting for your opponents to do something is generally too situational. Imagine your opponent plays their big threat on their turn and you draw into that rather than spot removal on your turn. Dead card.
>>96899141>tfw eta is 20 minutes At least I didn't get fucked this time
>>96899149To be fair, even at it's absolute worst, it is destroy 1 creature for 3 mana at instant speed.
>>96899135I would simply keep comboing
>>96899118Yes believe it or not, you are favored when your options to shut down counterspells last the entire game while they need to have the counterspell on turn 2 ready to stop it. If the blue player needs to counterspell Voice of Victory, guess what, that Voice of Victory just filled the exact same role a defensive counterspell would. Both result in the blue player being -1 counterspell for the thing you actually care about resolving. Except the Grand Abolisher is way better because it can be played at any time.
>>96899135Because it requires you to hold up 3 mana yet depends on your opponents doing the thing, because it's a dead topdeck, because it only hits one player, because you can sweep the whole board for only 1 more mana, and other reasons besides.>>96899162A 3 mana creature-only counterspell that doesn't even stop ETBs is an appallingly bad card.
>>96899001Each colour should have access to counterspells but it should be overcosted and thematically appropriate to the color.Green should get a 5-mana counterspell that lets a creature they control "fight" a spell on the stack (if the spell's mana cost is lower than the creature's power, that spell is countered and the creature takes that much damage).White should get a 4 mana counterspell that makes them tap three creatures as an additional cost. Or maybe like, counter that spell if another player pays 2, so that the white has to politic with the table since they need to team up against that one spell.That kind of shit.
>>96899162Only the turn it comes in, budski. You're not listening to me.Its absolute worst is actually drawing into it after your opponent has already set up their board.
>brewed a rakdos deck in my dream>half asleep>write down key cards>look at list after getting ready>half the cards are simic Oh
>>96899145>You know for a fact that is never just the gameplan.be more specific and clarify if you're talking about cedh or not so that we can tell you why you're wrong either way
>>96899177Hybrid mana is about to change, your dream was prophetic
>>96899177I bet that rakdos deck would be real good with a bunch of blue and green in it desu
>>96899141>waiting in a cuck line These cards are so fucking ugly it isn’t worth the time or money.
My mtg cardfu is a proxy dragon that makes her look like a hot dragon girl.
>>96899141fucking deserved
>>96898557It was my favorite block back when i originally played, made me happy to come back to the game and see how much more cool stuff the plane got
>>96899145>You know for a fact that is never just the gameplanYour problem at that point is that they're running interaction.
>>96899173This anon gets it. Counterspells are way too overpowered and broken mechanically as one of the only ways to interact with the stack for Blue to completely have a monopoly on.>>96899183You're a retard.
>>96899231Good argument Timmy. Now let the big boys talk.
>>96899231uh oh timmy melty
>>96899204post it
>>96899231blue hasnt had a monopoly on stack interaction in a very, very long time. It does dominate the industry, tho.
>>96899255Yeah, you know what I mean, though. It's a massive mistake in game design to have the stack be so important, but only one color can really claim to be able to interact with it well.
Blue is such a gay jewish color, if you play it you're not getting into agartha.
>>96899231let it out buddy. i know it hurts. i had these meltdowns in /edhg/ when i started playing too
>>96899263Blue's stack interaction is overwhelmingly saying no, other colors do more interesting things with the stack like red's copy and redirect suite. Heck, even green's stack interaction is predominantly "no means yes little bitch" which is just funny
>people are whining about counterspells againwotc still hasn't done all-opponents reveal their hands targeted discard and i wish they'd stop sitting on their asses and just make them
>>96899266Then how come all agarthans got blue eyes? Crybaby.
>>96899173>white should get a counterspell>>96899231>this anon gets itnewfags everywhere
>>96899293>white should get a counterspellMy apologies. White should get more than one wildly inconsistent counterspell.
>>96899135This is one of the best anti-flicker cards btw
>>96899171>removal is bad unless its countersUnbelievably retarded opinion
>>96899190blue rakdos is overrated, effective but not fun. green rakdos on the other hand, that's where it's at.
Counterspells are genuinely on equal level with other removal. Its annoying to have your mana wasted but counters only work at that moment. Cant counter a permanent, can only destroy/exile it.
>>96899286based. also color"bend" it a little while they are at it with the excuse that black can already look at hands with discard spells
>>96899171>>96899162>3 manaIt's actually 0 mana
>>96899310if that's what you got from my post this game probably isn't for you, anonmaybe try hungry hungry hippos instead?
>>96899323why do timmies melt down about counterspells but they're chill with a fatal push
>>96899330Got my etb.
how am I supposed to remove a sorcery or an instant if there were no counterspells?
>>96899293>an extremely mediocre counterspell that only works if someone taps out entirelywow!>>96899283It's more interesting and fun, but also worse and more expensive almost always. I run as many redirects as possible in my red decks since they're funny.>>96899330Thinking that counterspells are bad game design isn't having a meltdown. Also, with the retarded FIRE design WOTC is so set on doing, ETBs on creature and enchantments and such are where a ton of power in the card is, so even if it gets instantly blown up on ETB, you still get the ETB.>>96899345That isn't the argument being made you disingenuous faggot. The argument being made is 'blue having a near-monopoly on counterspells that are actually worth using is bad game design'
>>96899345>other colors should get counterspells<why do you want to remove all counterspells??
>>96899328He said at worst
>>96899301Rebuff the Wicked also exists but that is less a counterspell and more a protection spell.Counterspells are too good at doing everything. Removal, protection, ramp theft with stuff like Commandeer and Mana Drain, etc.
>>96899330>why do timmies melt down about counterspells but they're chill with a fatal pushBecause you cant fatal push my boardwipe, retard
>>96899351every color already has at least one counterspell. they should make more
>>96899346>Also, with the retarded FIRE design WOTC is so set on doing,if i gave you 1000 words i bet you couldn't explain to me what you think FIRE design is
>>96899364Yes, but most of them are bad. Red has the best counterspells that aren't in blue, if you want to count redirects too.
>>96899346>blue having a near-monopoly on counterspells that are actually worth using is bad game design>but white having a near-monopoly on exile that are actually worth using is good game designlol>but counterspells are better than exiling shit!!calm down timmy
It's so damned funny how people STILL, 20+ years later, bitch about "blue having all the good counterspells" but don't talk about "blue has near-zero destroy target ____" cards. The counterspells ARE blue's "destroy target" cards, but in "interacting with the stack"-form
>>96899374Counterspells can exile too, silly.>>96899366FIRE design is Uro, Titan of Nature's wrath. Or Vivi. Or Nadu. Cards that are obnoxiously overpowered with repeatable effects that break the game in half if they aren't immediately stopped.
>>96896424She is the very first legend I ever pulled and became my second commander (Teysa was first)I had to include a lot of expensive and goodstuff cards, but she still can't keep up with my playgroup.So I made a second deck with her, that is weaker but more flavorful, which I can play with new players and/or precons.
>>96899376>better kambalmy cock is dripping
>>96899286They already did this it's called monoblack theft and/or Sen Triplets. It turns out that's even more cancer than 2 open blue mana.
>>96899377Pongify and other effects like it don't exist in blue at all, nope.
>>96899346Did an Island killed your mother or something? What a seething faggot.>don’t like being counterspelled>the obvious solution is giving easy counterspell to all colors!1!1!What a dumb retard.
>>96899389Goes stupid with those hydras/effects that double +1/+1 counters on a single creature
>>96899377That would require Timmy to use his brain cells and all of those are currently busy figuring out how much mana his dinosaur costs.
>>96899382>Counterspells that aren't actually worth using can exile too, silly.lmao at undermining your own argument, timmy
>>96899398Wow, anon! Wow! It's almost as if I said "near zero" and not "literally zero" or something crazy like that. Now add up all the "destroy target creature" cards in black, and compare it to the total number in blue :^)
>>96899407>Force of Negation doesn't exist
>>96899385Sorry. Shes built for BZC (Big Zuko Cock) only
>>96899418>Noncreaturezzz
>>96896582I always wanted to make a Human deck (with a few Angels). Mind posting your list?
>>96899329>3 mana creature only "counterspell" is bad2/3 mana is the going rate to remove a creature without preventing ETBs in black. Im genuinely curious what you think you are saying anon :)
>>96899382>FIRE design is Uro, Titan of Nature's wrath. Or Vivi. Or Nadu. Cards that are obnoxiously overpowered with repeatable effects that break the game in half if they aren't immediately stopped.wrong. try again
>>96899443Yeah I get it anon, you're just gonna say it's wrong no matter what, you clearly aren't worth talking to.
>>96899437Actually it's 0-2 mana for EDH. 3 is just the gaslight precons try to push.
>>96899377Resculpt, Pongify, Rapid Hybridization, Reality Shift, Curse of the Swine.Enchantment cucks: Imprisoned in the Moon, Witness Protection, Unable to Scream, Amphibian Downpour, Eaten by Pirahnas, Utter Insignificance. Enchantment cucks aren't true removal so if you say these don't count, that's acceptable.How many counterspells do all of the the colours outside of blue get? Surely more than these.
>>96899385>better kambal>less colors>hurts you>doesnt gain you lifeIn what fucking world? The first strike? You planning on attacking with your hate piece?
>>96899449it's funny how you complain about FIRE design that gives so much value when they resolve but god forbid counterspells exist kekw
>>96899452>Surely more than these.You'd be right, I already posted them: >>96899004
>>96899450Precons and standard have such awful removal in them usually, it's baffling. Standard is such a mess that I don't even think putting Swords or Path into Standard would fix it with how many broken as shit creatures Red has at the moment.Screaming Nemesis, Vivi, and so many other creatures that generate way too much value or simply cannot be interacted with outside of exiling them.>>96899461More than half of those are unusable dogshit.
>>96899450>restriction and downsideYoure too dumb to function holy duck. This is cheap BECAUSE it has a restriction and a downside. It is decidedly NOT showing you what the rate is for simply removing a creature (no restrictions no downside) KILL YOURSELF.
>>96899464>More than half of those are unusable dogshit.
>>96899437>2/3 manait is painfully obvious that you are nogames.There is a massive gulf between 2 and 3 mana, which is why all the black removal spells that see play are 0-2 mana.And those spells can be used whenever you want, not just on the turn your removal target comes down.
I'm convinced that if tomorrow colorless Silence with Split Second was printed, people would still be bitching about blue because they find it too hard to realize what cards in their hand need to resolve until the blue player taps their 2 open islands.
>>96899461Jester's Scepter is really good in edh, I'm sure.You know I included actually usable blue removal in my list, right? Blue has all sorts of flicker effects I could point at and call proof that blue has exile.
>>96899464And none of the blue removal you posted is good anon. Its played because its all blue has for those options lmao
>>96899468>Paying life>Downside>In 40 life clown format
>>96899479See >>96899470
>>96899455Less colors is better, anon.
>>96899472>>96899468Youre retarded and no, I can assure you I understand the game and its cardpool incredibly well.
>>96899481I play black and green and I wish I had 1cmc destroy target creature cards.
>>96899479>You know I included actually usable blue removal in my list, right?hahahaha bitch you posted the ONLY blue removal because it's the ONLY cards that exist. by comparison of course they're good because there's nothing else to compare them to
>>96899437>2/3 mana is the going rate to remove a creature
>>96899495Green does....? Black does as well! They just have restrictions and/or downsides, like Pongify!
>>96898242>...except it's not legendary...>Cards now need to include this more and more often because all the cards are legendary
>>96899485So you're just being disingenuous, or I guess you think you're trolling.>>96899503Can you post the usable counterspells in other colours?
>>96899484>mexican power fantasy
>>96899385 retard
>>96899504Are you another retard who doesnt understand how restrictions and downsides play into a cards mana cost and the going rate for pure creature removal in black is indeed 2 manahttps://scryfall.com/search?q=%28oracle%3ADestroy+oracle%3Acreature%29+type%3Ainstant+color%3DB+%28game%3Apaper%29&unique=cards&as=grid&order=released&dir=Is this entire thread infested with retards holy fuck
>>96899515i accept your concession lol.
>>96899525Forgot sorceries but they dont different either! 2-3 mana, lower if the casting/targeting restrictions are different and/or downsides.
>>96899515>Can you post the usable counterspells in other colours?You posted the only cards available, so did I. Pray tell where we did things differently?
hehehe, nothing personel, kiddo
>>96899515White has a counterspell suite to match whatever the average blue player is including. Blues permanent removal on the other hand is incredibly limited and very bad.
>>96899555White does not have anything anywhere near as broken as Mana Drain, Force of Will, Force of Negation, Pact of Negation, or even just basic-ass Counterspell.
>play the only format that goes out of its way to make bad cards playable>complain that bad cards are now good?
>>96898623Whelp time to upgrade every single green deck
>>96899525Yes, 2 mana. Dont ever pay 3 mana to remove a creature. Consider playing Tragic Slip and the other single B options also, B2 casual
>>96899545This and Mana Tithe are objectively incredible plays when someone taps out everything to cast a huge game-ending spell
>>96898618>>pauper>reddit formatThe redditor cries out in pain as he strikes you. Nothing is more reddit than Commander
>>96899559And those arent your average counter spells sooooooo what are you saying here? Yes your cedh suite of counters is top tier. But I would take all of whites counterspells over blues "basic ass counterspell" and all its similar variants any day of the week.
>>96899559>states "average blue player">replies with several $30 cardsholy shit anon just how fucking delusional ARE you? Average blue players run like.. fucking Negate and Keep Safe n shit like that, you moron
>>96899572>This and Mana Tithe are objectively incredible plays when someone taps out everything to cast a huge game-ending spellNo one "taps out" to cast a game ending spellThey always have a pile of lands or some treasure for that
>>96899572I see it as being a turn 1-2 massive and unexpected tempo gain. This shit won me sooooo many pauper games is unreal, nobody expects a counter all for 1 mana, they always tap out in that turn 1 or 2
>>96899525Yes, 2 mana for destroy target creature. Which should explain to you why a 3 mana removal spell with a massive restriction on it is bad.
>>96899567Again. 2 mana is WITH RESTRICTIONS YOU FUCKING MORONIC NIGGER. THE GOING RATE FOR CREATURE REMOVAL IS 2-3 MANA, THREE REALISTICALLY, 2 BECAUSE MOST DOWNSIDES DONT FUCKING MATTER. IM BEGGING YOU TO END YOUR WORTHLESS FUCKING LIFE. GOING RATE MEANS X IS WORTH Y WITH NO RESTRICTIONS DOWNSIDES OR DRAWBACKS. DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE DIE. YOU MORONIC ZOOMNIGGER
>>96899591>No one "taps out" to cast a game ending spellTry playing fun casual games with people that wanna have fun, and not metafag tryhard sweaty losers
>>96899583>>96899590>Caring about the price of a card when proxying existsyeah you guys are really retarded
Meanwhile I'm sitting over here in colorless land, and all I've got is Not of This World, Warping Wail, and Null Elemental Blast.
>>96899591>No one "taps out" to cast a game ending spelln o g a m e s
>>96899597>>96899593Kill yourself as well holy fuck. Its a pitch cast card its ZERO MANA. DIE.
>>96899607To be fair, those are all pretty great cards. I run Warping Wail in my gruul decks to cuck people playing Farewell. Nobody every expects it.
>>96899604Yeah anon you're right everyone runs $5,000 decks because proxying is just so completely ubiquitous! Everyone does it!!
>>96899604Not an argument!!! Not even relevant to the fucking discussion.
>>96899604Lmao, nigga lost the argument and now it’s trying to find a way to cope himself into being right. What a desingenuous faggot.
>Damn, if only there was a way my colors could have stopped that pesky blue player. I guess it's literally just impossible to play against counterspells.
>>96899604hahahaha this is how you can tell you lost, anon
>>96899616>>96899615The price of a card is irrelevant in the discussion of how strong cards are.>>96899618You can't even spell lol
>>96899601>Try playing fun casual games with people that wanna have fun, and not metafag tryhard sweaty losersYes, but I dont need to mana tithe the casual players bullshit because I already won before they got there
>>96898673$258 of value for $200. This is ass. Couldn't have reprinted The Great Henge at 'T' or 'G' or Roaming Throne at 'R,' huh?
>>96899626Correct the price is relevant!!! Not proxying! Most people are not running the cedh suite of counterspells. If you think they are, you dont play the game.
>>96899626>You can't even spell lol>minor spelling mistake.gif
>>96899609You realise that it's still bad if you cast it for zero, right? You're essentially going down 3 cards, and unlike real removal spells you don't even get the flexibility of deciding when to use it. That's why it only sees play in duel commander.
>>96899626>The price of a card is irrelevant in the discussion of how strong cards are.Bait or mental retardation? Call it.
>>96899604>proxyingmiss me with that
>>96899428I'm kind of impressed they had the restraint not to make these guys legendary too.
>anon thinks he would be the only enlightened soul to run counters of all colors if that was a thingLets fix control by giving control to everyone!! What could possible go wrong!
>>96899668Finally. Blue will get a 2-mana "Destroy target permanent" like golgari and orzhov have.
>>96899650>down 3 cardshuh?>pitch cast>card itself2 cards! Where the fuck are you getting 3 lmao>REAL REMOVAL SPELLSThis is ironic as you hyped up counterspells which have.... NO FLEXIBILITY ON WHEN YOU GET TO USE THEM. Fuck sakes you are bad and retarded and have no idea why you even hold the opinions you do on this game cause they are contradictory as all hell. Stop replying and slit your wrists.
>>96899453This card is really good for EDH
>>96899662Couldn't agree more after the fucking FF set. I hate how many legendaries exist nowadays
>>96896976> Want to build Toph as modular commander> Earthbending is set in GolgariFuck this gay earth.
>>96899001Not giving each color access to efficient counter spells, draw, and ramp is retarded and it's the reason why the devs keep having to shit out 3 color/wurbg slop commanders, because they refuse to let each color have fair and equal access to essential mechanics in the game so the playerbase needs to cope by making goodstuff slop piles instead of being able to build mono/2 color decks. Imagine an FPS where only one class has broad access to reloading and another has a near monopoly on grenades.>but muh overcosted and inefficient and rare cards that sort of let other colors do that stuff tooGreat, so while the blue player is mowing down everyone with his assault rifle he can reload on a whim the white player gets a musket with 5 reloads. While the green player is grenade spamming, the red player has to decide when to use the single firecracker he's got. SeE wHiTe CaN rElOaD, ReD hAs GrEnAdEs.
>>96898673>temple of the false god
>>96899710>Every color should print simic levels of valueInteresting self-report that you can't use mardu's strengths to its advantage.
>>96899710>ive been playing for a year but you REALLY need to take my opinion seriously
>>96899710You play around fast reload and rush your opponents when they trying to grenade you. Or you wait the rushing player to overextend and then punish his rushing moves. I think youre just bad at videogames and think that “balance = everyone does everything”
>>96899675>I don't understand card advantagelol nogames>counterspells also have no flexibility on when you can use themThis is true- but counterspells prevent ETBs, counterspells allow you to protect your own plays, and good counterspells can hit a much wider variety of targets. Force of Despair can only hit creatures, doesn't prevent ETBs, and can't protect your shit. It is because of all the things Force of Despair can't do relative to its cost that make it bad in commander.
>>96899707After that and Spider-Man. It's surprising they managed to hold back on making every possible character a legendary. Even made a few possible legendary creatures sagas instead.
>>96899450>>96899468
>>96899731No anon I want you to break it down for me. How is this essentially costing you 3 cards? Once you have answered that we can go on with the rest of your drivel.
>>96899791>p-please master e-e-explain to me basic game concepts!No! Go play some actual games you fucking loser.
>>96899453>Aang that airbends spells>any copy trigger in WU+finally, drannith magistrate attached to a boardwipe
>>96899798Yes please explain basic game concepts to me. How is the cost of force of despair THREE cards?
>>96899715hmm I wonder what other T card they could have put in that slot
>>96899726>just side step Michael Jordan and sink a 3 broNot only do you not play multiplayer card games, you don't play multiplayer video games as well. Can't you retards just go larp in the modern/arena threads instead of shitting up /edh/ with your nogames opinions?
>>96899830>Retards should be pandered to as well!This logic is literally why Overwatch went to shit.
>>96899830Respond to the substance anon. Your post is incoherent babbling.
Guys, anon is right. Playable couterspells being only playable in blue is bad design. White having Lapse of Creativity is not good enough, we must give Mana Drain to red, Fierce Guardianship to green, and good-old Counterspell to white.To rectify this, we also need to address that green having all of the best ramp is also a design problem. What if I'm not getting lands as fast as I want them in my Izzet deck? Therefore, blue should also get Rampant Growth, because blue cares about drawing cards, and this just saves a step if said drawn cards are lands.We much also give green unconditional removal, because green cares about creatures, and it's bullshit and a bad design that green requires an existing permanent to do anything. Therefore, we should give green Fatal Push and Tragic Slip, as those cards care about having had a permanent on the field, so logically there is no reason they should not be green, other than to keep perpetrating bad designs.We should also give red Aetherize, because it's bullshit that I can't use my Lightning Bolt on each creature, and it is bad design for me to have to deal with creatures that have 4 or more toughness, and since red cares about combat this makes sense.Black should also get World at War, because black is the color of death and life loss, and war leads to death and combat leads to life loss. It's bullshit that red has access to this kind of player removal and black doesn't, and it is objectively bad design because of this
>R is the color of money>when it should be G
>>96899858You joke but colors have monopoly on shit is piss poor design.All decks need draw and all decks need ramp
>>96899885This logic is why green now has more exposive draw than the color that's supposed to be good at draw.
>>96899858>green having all of the best ramp
>>96899885>all decks need drawAnd all colors have card advantage options.>all colors need rampObjectively false. But lucky for you rocks exist :)
>>96899885this attitude right here is why the game is turning to shit
>>96899885If different colors do not have different playstyles, then there's no reason for there to be a color split.Blue having countermagic is not a bug, it's a feature.
>>96899931Colors can have different play styles without monopolizing basic game actions like playing additional lands.
>>96899893Smothering Tithe is four mana.
>>96899981Basic game action is playing lands. Playing additional lands is not.
While making this I was wondering if Withering Boon is really only unpopular because of it's art.It seems fine mechanically. But maybe there's something I am missing.
>>96898744I know what I like
Man I fucking hate ub
>>96899994Its unpopular because counterspells arent the be all of interaction and one that hurts you and is that limited is really not great
>>96899988>>96899981>basic game actions like playing additional lands.>>basic game actions>>additionalSo close to getting it.>>96899999>>96900000
>>96900008What the fuck are you trying to say anon
>>96899449fire design is mostly corporate fluff but it one quantifiable thing it actually did was increase the strength of commons and uncommons. you're talking about power creep on mythic rares. totally different thing
>>96899981>basic game actionsCrim is that you?
Man I fucking love ub
>>96900024"Additional" is not a basic game action. It's a special game action. Green gets to do that flavor of special game action as part of its identity. The only things that are "basic game actions" are basic actions that do not need explained on the cards, like playing lands at all and casting spells. Giving this to other colors means green has less of an identity, and when this happens too much there is no reason for the color to exist.>>Okay but countering/ramping/blahblahblahNo. Stop. Don't go on another tangent where your retard brain seems to think repeating the same whining again and again is going to convince anyone. Unironically, this game probably isn't for you if colors having different mechanics is a problem, because the system of balances is one of the fundamental parts of the game.
>>96900030That's literally what I was describing, FIRE design is just powercreeping everything, not just mythics and rares. I gave examples of some of the most gamebreaking cards to have come out once WOTC said they are doing FIRE.
>>96900030inaccuratewhile upping the power level of commons was indeed part of FIRE that also came part and parcel with upping the power level of mythics>where do you think the E for Exciting in FIRE is coming from? commons? lol
>>96900070yeah you're fucking stupid i know
>>96900081You aren't capable of reading.
>>96899984>Smothering Tithe is four mana.> Smothering tithe
funniest thing about this counterspell guy is that you can get him to reply to every single post. even this one
>>96900066Why the fuck are you talking to me? I said "additional is not a basic game action". I hate you fucking retarded niggers who type just to type. Please kill yourself for the good of humanity.
I'm with the counterspell hater.
>>96900006Makes sense. I haven't played it yet, but I think (like any counterspell) it'll at least be fun if not strong. Also, I like that it's nerfed like that so it at least respects the color-pie.
>>96900109I might have misclicked on the post numbers, but it's very obvious from the greentext quote that I was not meaning to talk to you at all, and expecting me to know who you are from a bitch woman-posting response, as if there's usernames here, is so self-centered that I want to slap you too.
>>96899619How you managed to take "other colours should get counterspells" and read it as "I don't like that blue gets counterspells" is a pretty impressive lack of reading comprehension. Usually people find this site by the time they're at a high school or middle school level of education.
>>96900159>I made a mistake and instead of accepting responsibility I will try to turn this on youHoly fembrain
>>96899859should be W because plains are gold
>>96899994It's unpopular because as it turns out counterspells aren't actually as good as Timmies make them out to be. The narrow timing window to use one actually makes them difficult to use, and when combined with the utterly ludicrous amount of hate printed for them (seriously, it's like Privileged Position costing 2 mana), they stop looking appealing.
How is the meta going to change once they remove the banned list in January? Is there anything to stop green players from ramping even more like crazy? Will MLD finally become acceptable in the meta?
>>96900177But taxes(W) is how money dies
>>96900192>Will MLD finally become acceptable in the meta?You know the majority of landfall decks are green right?They'll just be the ones wiping lands every turn because they can bring theirs back with crucible et al
>>96898706Yeah it looks like shit I agree
Realms Uncharted 2: Electric Bogaloo. Pretty nice for the decks that want it. Sure's going in my Hazezon.
>>96900223And that's where MLE comes into play
>>96900232I forgot, what's special about "Lesson" subtypes?
>>96900237This is literally the wincon in my lands deck anon...
>>96900168>Me making the conversation about myself on an anonymous imageboard? No, peasant, YOU are the obnoxious one!I can strawman too you dumb faggot.
>>96900242They start in your sideboard and you can wish for them with the Learn mechanic
>>96900237>flickering the landfall player's entire landbase>20-40 triggers in one turn
>>96900242In EDH nothing. In 60 card formats + limited it is a card that can be wished for when you use Learn spells.
>>96900242You can Learn for them
>>96900244And your worst nightmare!
>>96900246What i said isnt a strawman though. You tagged me with some cryptic shit and when asked about it you sperged and floundered instead of just going "my mistake". Please take your own life it would be to everyone's benefit.
>>96899464>Standard is such a mess that I don't even think putting Swords or Path into Standard would fix it with how many broken as shit creatures Red has at the moment.Sheltered by Ghosts is in standard right now and the entire format is still vivi or monored despite the card being a 4-of include in many Historic decks so yes path probably wouldn't fix it
>>96900269>What i said isnt a strawman though>>Refusing to take responsibility >>>I might have misclicked on the post numbersSo not only are you petty, but you're wrong.>TaggedGo back to Pisscord, faggot.
>>96900255>flickeringUmm honey I sacced the beast...
>>96900192>Will MLD finally become acceptable in the meta?it already should be. There's simply too many landfall and landfall adjacent mechanics printed, being completely unable to interact with the opponent's wincon is like saying "adding any graveyard hate makes your deck automatic bracket 5", it's retarded
>>96900286>I *might* have... BUT ITS VERY OBVIOUS BLAH BLAH NOT MY FAULTBe a man you pathetic worm lmfao
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>>96900295Just stop responding to me you womanbrained faggot. I said it was a mistake and didn't mean to engage with you, and you want to drag it out for literally no reason other than to be a malding dipshit. There is literally no reason for this conversation to keep going.
>>96900123I AM THE COUNTERSPELL HATER.I don't actually hate them, I just think that they shouldn't be almost exclusively for blue, since on-the-stack interaction is way too powerful for one color to have, especially when Blue has always been the most overpowered color in mtg. Combining blue with red or green makes it even more overpowered.
Would the epic cycle of cards be broken if they didn't prevent you from casting spells for the rest of the game?https://mtg.wiki/page/Epic
>>96900324The epic spells all kinda suck ass unfortunately, except maybe the blue one?
>>96900324dominion would probably be broken beyond belief if blue could still do blue BS on top of it
>>96900287In Naya after casting it for 6?
>>96900324I wonder what an Epic Matters deck would look like with something like Yuriko or Derevi at the helm. A commander that puts itself onto the battlefield without needing to be cast. I think there are a few commanders that can recur themselves from the graveyard without being cast, too.
Just dropping by to introduce my wife. Please keep in mind she is SPOKEN FOR.
>>96900369this nigga in love with miss norwood
>>96900316Wrong you said it MIGHT be a mistake but even if it was it was my fault xD stop trying to use woman as an insult ehen you dont even do it correctly. Youre a WORM
>>96900369Yeah well she won't be SPEAKING FOR long after I ballgag her and throatfuck her.
>>96900396>you said it MIGHTAt this point you are just arguing for the sake of arguing, and I'm not going to reply to any more of your womanbrained posts.
>chinks already said they have bootlegs of the encyclopedia for $50 on the wayWell ok then.
>>96900427Stop shilling Zhang your knockoffs look like shit
>Andrew Swordbro
>>96900434>he shills for """official cardboard"""
>poorfags selling their wares in /edhg/kekw
>>96900427>remember that this was releasing today>sold out>check gallery>it's all shit that doesn't look like magic cardsA fortunate turn of events.
>>96900321>I just think that they shouldn't be almost exclusively for blue, since on-the-stack interaction is way too powerful for one color to havewhat they really need to do is print a fuckton more Split Second cards; if they want to keep counterspells in blue then they need to give everybody else ways to shut down the stack. It's not a true counterspell, but if somebody's playing a 2-card combo, being able to play a Split Second card halfway and make it fizzle is often good enough anyways. https://scryfall.com/search?q=o%3A%22split+second%22There's only 23 cards with it and the vast majority are basically unplayable (with a few notable exceptions)
>>96900471A few are nice like Urza's Saga, Vesuva, and Phyrexian Altar. The problem is the goofy cats and cartoons like the Shrine of the False God are really jarring.
>>96900482>Urza's Saga, Vesuva, and Phyrexian AltarDon't not look like magic cards.
>>96900167>so you can tell the blue player to eat a dick and that you are in fact going to let the spell resolveMaybe you're the illiterate one anon.
Favorite cards from BRO?
>>96900502Oh, you must be new. Since this imageboard doesn't use usernames, you can click the post number at the top right of the post you're replying to in order to quote that post. This is how most people will respond to a specific user (usually called "anons").If you don't do this, most other anons will assume you're engaging with the main thread topic. If this ends up being too complicated for you, there are other MTG forums like reddit or the official mtg forums you could use instead.
>>96900517Step aside peasants. Best BRO card coming through.
>>96900517
>>96900445
>>96899816For extra salt
>>96900517>can't be used as a silence to protect a combopart of why blue gets a bad rap is because other colors can actually interact with the stack - just in different ways - but wotc refuses to explore that design space
>>96900569>creatures are never combo piecesAre you ok, retard?
>>96900350Why not?
Do you guys actually play, or do you just bitch all day on a mongolian basket weaving forum?
>>96900576where did i say that creatures can never be combo pieces, el retardo?
The real outcome of giving every color countermagic, especially countermagic at the power level WotC currently designs it at, would only expose how bad countermagic actually is when it's played in under 1% of decks.>Yeah lemme just hold 3 mana open every turn just in-case they have something, only to get blown out by a land drop that's in every deck because it also colorfixes.
>>96900530Lost to this day before yesterday. Kuldotha forgemastered this, saccing some thopter tokens. Wiped my board, he plopped down some bullshit, and that was murder she wrote.
>>96900599Nothing will ever beat the old font/frames. It had actual style
>>96900517Can't beat the rate on this
>>96900569Yes, not like Avatar is giving red 1-mana stack interaction or anything.
>>96900602Right here>>can't be used as a silence to protect a combo
>>96900612I love how even wotc understands that this is the case, because they make old border variants as chase variants of cards, like other alternate variants of borders. They literally understand that the modern border is garbage, and they use that to sell you cooler versions of the card THAT DON'T USE THAT FUCKING BORDER
>>96900608It's one of my favorites in my Zhulodok deck.>can run into it randomly like All is Dust>except it has the added benefit of giving me free shitI've managed to snag some really crazy things with it, or use it as a "can't kill my shit" card to immediately bring back Eldrazi.
>>96900612Old gold frames looked like shit but other than that I agree.
>>96900599i kneel.the only good thing jotc has done the last few years was bringing back retro frames in some capacity.
>>96900606>only expose how bad countermagic actually is when it's played in under 1% of decks.force of will is an automatic 4-of in any deck with blue mana in legacy, holy fuck edh players are bad at the game.15 years ago doomblading something was about as good as countering it, and the flexibility of being able to remove stuff not just when cast but also afterwards was a significant upside.creature power creep the last ten years has gotten so completely out of hand that even if a card is immediately pathed or doombladed upon entering the battlefield it's still a loss for you, nevermind the proliferation of Ward and Hexproof making it so edicts are the only reliable way to kill shit for cheap. the reason Thassa's Oracle is an autoinclude in blue CEDH decks is because her win condition is an enters the battlefield trigger that succeeds the moment she's cast, even 3 people all running destroy, exile, edict, and bounce spells will lose if nobody has stack interaction via counterspelling. The more power creep continues, the more preventing a card from ever resolving becomes better and the worse killing shit already on the battlefield gets.
>>96900672>every combo that exists involves creaturesthis is you, el retardo
>>96900612Buddy they're ugly as sin and no one likes them without nostalgia.The fact that new players get into the game and don't agree with you means you're fucking wrong. You just have fond memories.
>>96900599>>96900686I gazed into your eyes and knew you were my nigga
>>96900718You clearly don't understand english and that's not ok.
>>96900655reminder that people that hate counterspells never mention swat
>>96900708>Force of WillExcept WotC doesn't design countermagic at FoW powerlevel anymore. They design it at "Cancel with small upside" levels now.So whenever people say "blue has a monopoly on stack interaction", it's like saying "white has a monopoly on 1-mana exile creature removal", because they're only referring to cards that would never be printed today.
>>96900721>people that started with old frames like old frames>people that started with new frames like new framesYes anon, congrats. A fucking grade schooler could've figured this out
>>96900599> this space intentionally left blankyou autist, I love you
>>96899521Remember when their last resort was "summoning the owl good" against the conquistadores, which meant pumping a single dude full of drugs and sending him zoinked out his fucking gourd to the field
There's no other cards like these, right? Stuff that says "if your life gets to 0 you win instead" or any other lose conditions that make you win? I know stuff like Plat Angel/etc that delay but I'm looking for "win instead of lose" effects
>>96900766>>96900721I started in this decade and if a card is available in old border I'm buying old border.I'm also buying it in foil if it's properly foiled. That means no foiling on the art, text box, title, type, and mana symbols.
>>96900816>That means no foiling on .. the text boxGodFUCKINGdamn I wish they'd stop this. Having to angle the cards just right and keep moving it around to be able to fucking read it is so awful
>>96900738>, it's like saying "white has a monopoly on 1-mana exile creature removal", because they're only referring to cards that would never be printed today.they printed sheltered by ghosts a few years ago which is literally better than path to exile for white aggro in several formats, my lightpaws aura deck runs 4 copies and 0 paths because it wants to win on turn 3 or 4 anyways. they also just printed Prismatic Ending, On Thin Ice and Lay Down Arms within the last few years.....both of which are often cut compared to just running 4x copies of Sheltered by Ghosts, which is removal, enchantress synergy, life gain against aggro, and protection all in one package. Path to Exile is legal in every single format but standard, its rare to see 4x copies of it because letting shit resolve and enter the battlefield is already a losing proposition in 2025 magic and giving your enemy a free wild growth on top of their ETB is a losing proposition for many decks. Goryo's Vengeance reanimator in Modern plays 4 copies of Prismatic Ending and 0 copies of Path.
>>96900599I agree with this except for the power toughness bubble in the bottom right. That makes the numbers easy to see when doing calcs, and from a distance the box itself lets you distinguish the card as a creature.
>>96899798Lmao can't even count to three and expect everyone to respect your argument. You tweaking
>>96900766I started in 2018 and I much prefer old frames.
>old Legendary rule should be brought back>tuck rule should be brought backWhat other rules should be changed?
>>96900866It depends on the card for me, and I started playing in '98
>>96900853>Path to Exile is legal in every single format but standard, its rare to see 4x copies of it because letting shit resolve and enter the battlefield is already a losing proposition in 2025 magicI remember when path was $10+ a copy despite being an uncommon, its retarded how power crept creatures have gotten that 1 mana exile isn't worth it if they've already triggered ETB. Legacy decks run 4 copies of Force of will, PLUS 2-4 copies of Force of Negation, PLUS another 2-4 copies of Daze just to have as much free counterspells as possible lmao, the game plan is never let a single creature enter the battlefield or you lose
>>96900708>force of will is an automatic 4-of in any deck with blue mana in legacyOkay, but this is the EDH thread
>>96900369Wasn't Yangchen super based? Like she led a genocide or whatever
>>96900434Do they? After a long time I eventually mixed some counterfeits among my collection and I'm pretty positive I have accidentally traded some of them away
BRING BACK MY ZESTY ELF YOU WOTC FUCKS
>>96900721I started playing in 2016 and I like the pls border way better
>>96900928I was always wondered what the "good" chinese counterfeits look like. How hard could it possibly be to replicate the green dot and the T if you actually tried?
>>96900907counterspells are even better in edh than in legacy since there's 3x as many opponents casting spells, they're virtually never a dead card. you're never gonna be playing against a full pod of 4x aether vial+cavern of souls merfolk decks that never "cast" anything counterable like is possible in legacy.you faggots are absolutely insufferable, you'll say something like "counter magic is bad" and then when provided incontrovertible evidence that it's SSS tier you go "that doesn't count"here's the part where I post CEDH tournament winning decks running a pile of counterspells and you immediately pivot to "nobody cares about CEDH', meaning the only way to prove counterspells are good to (You) is breaking into your house and beating you at kitchen table magic with them in person
>>96900886Also bring back Banned as Commander so we can get >>96900939 back. I mean they unbanned Braids who has been banned longer than Rofellos... Why does the reserved list even matter in that case? That just means we won't see it much if it's unbanned, which is a good thing if you're so worried about him.
Should color identity be defined by>the biome the creature resides in/the sorcery could occur in, etc.>the mentality/philosophy of the creature/enchantment, etc.>the actual colors of the subject depicted in the art?
>>96900853>several formats>4 copiesKek you dumb nigger you're over here in the general for a format where people are running 2-mana creatures and dropping boardwipes/Farewells and going pRiSmaTiC eNdiNg iS bEtTeR tHaN sWorDs because it's relevant in faster-meta formats
>>96900939marwyn is completely fine and also gets out of bolt range near instantly while rofellos is stuck at 1 toughness until boosted by other cards.
>>96900961>counterspells are even better in edh than in legacy since there's 3x as many opponents casting spellsThat makes them worse though. They are removal that you need to have in hand and free mana for at the moment the problem card is being cast. You can't counter all 3 players and you could instead be advancing your own board state.
>>96900961>since there's 3x as many opponents casting spells, they're virtually never a dead card.That also means they put you behind on tempo, retard.
>>96900982Exactly. So what does the "reserved list" excuse matter?
>>96900982rofellos comes out T2 always or T1 half the the time and immediately taps for 3 on turn 3it's just ridiculous levels of ramp
>>96900961>counterspells are even better in edh than in legacy since there's 3x as many opponents casting spells, they're virtually never a dead card.This is counterbalanced by the fact that 1-for-1ing in edh is extremely unfavorable, to use counterspells well in commander you have to know what the deck is trying to do so you know what to counter
>>96900974I accept your concession, there's still plenty of 1 mana exile cards being printed, plus its even in black now too
>>96900985>That also means they put you behind on tempo, retard.losing the game also puts you behind on tempo.
>>96900961>here's the part where I post CEDH tournament winning decks running a pile of counterspells and you immediately pivot to "nobody cares about CEDH'Unironically this.cEDH is the best spells in the format. Making spells that compete at the level of FoW and the like here means introducing more FoW-tier cards. That's not healthy for the game. Nobody is stopping you from running Tibalts Trickery or Veil of Summer if you want good answers at a 4-bracket table, or going off-meta and unironically getting over your skill issue above that.
>>96901006How the shit are sorceries that target something with 3 mv or less going to stop a Krrik you fucking clown?
>>96901029A pile of cedh staple counterspells will not help you win games in a bracket 4 pod unless you're also running a cedh meta deck.
>>96901029that CEDH list I posted also runs shit like Swan Song and An Offer You Can't Refuse, it doesn't need to be a Force of Will-tier counter to be worth using in a singleton format
>>96901015Yeah, so maybe you should be using that mana to advance your gamestate.Countermagic has a use in shutting down a single wincon/combo. It's not a strategy. Not a good one at least.
>>96900961>10 counterspells (1 is a bounce, sink into stupor)>equivalent to a fucking grand total of 6 counterspells in 60 card landroru rumao
>>96901046the best way to stop krrik is with a pile of cheap counterspells; even if you're running swords to plowshares and path to exile he still gets the ETB triggers of whatever he's cheating into play.
>>96901051Okay, but how do either of those deal with those creatures with ETB effects you're complaining about?
>>96901079>he still gets the ETB triggers of whatever he's cheating into playAnon, do you even know what a Krrik deck does? Do you even play EDH, or are you just here to bitch about countermagic after getting told by 60-card fags "skill issue because red deck wins?"
>>96901075>>equivalent to a fucking grand total of 6 counterspells in 60 card land60 card land runs 10+ in 60 cards+15 sideboardthis is currently the single best deck in Legacy right now, it's got 9 in the main deck and 2 more to sideboard in after game 1, while also running 4x copies of Tamiyo to recur them basically endlessly if needed.You can look at that Kinan CEDH deck yourself and see what it runs for comparison.https://topdeck.gg/deck/cedh-uk-championships-2025/4CRipOBe3HdnR3NN4NQNImyZu8J2
>>96898673I am irked that thee exactly three designs that I actually like for cards that I currently use in decks happen to be for three of the most expensive cards in an expensive FOMO set and will thus be effectively unattainable. Even when you actually want Secret Lair cards to play the FOMO profiteering is so bad you can't use them.
>>96901001Exactly why they need to bring back "banned as commander." He was pretty much always banned as one, and fine in the 99, until he was banned for some unkown reason.
>>96901128>there are sideboards in EDH frfr>also kinnan running basically the equivalent of 6 counterspells in 60 card land is proof that you should run a bazillion cards in your EDH deck aaaaaaiiiiiieeeeekekw
>>96900766No but a new players isnt in the same position you are. A new player doesn't only know new frames, they can look at both from the minute they get into the game and objectively see that old frames look like blocky assYou on the other hand grew to love blocky ass and hate the new thing
>oh shit that's a cool print I wonder how much it co-->$2,000>the fuck>look it up>JP exclusive if you bought an entire booster box>promotion was only around for a single weekWho the fuck thought this was OK?
>>96900445i dont get it
>>96901159even for a 99 card he's super strongand it's not like he does anything even remotely interesting that would warrant unbanning him, there's not a single deck out there that wants him for thematic reasons, the only reason anyone wants him is for being the best generic ramp imaginable for any green deck, which is saying a lot really, green doesn't need rofellos and as long as banned as commander doesn't exist not having him in the 99 is a small price to pay to avoid running into him as a commander
>>96900477I agree, split second is a great mechanic and should be on more cards. It's funny since blue once again has one of the best split second cards.Angel's Grace is a huge favorite of mine since it's extremely funny to cuck some combo faggot with it.
>>96901159>until he was banned for some unkown reason.the reason is sheldon's a retarded dead boomer with awful takes on balancehe kept Biorhythm personally banned for 20 years out of personal hatred lol
The other six scene cards for Avatar.
>>96901159>>96901235i always find it funny that whenever people want something unbanned people always knee-jerk against it thinking that it will ruin their bracket 2 pods when gavin himself said that anything removed from the banned list automatically becomes a GC
>>96901289Swampbenders are pretty nice
>>96901293alright then, why do you want him unbanned? How does he make the game better for being unbanned?
>>96901353it's the principle of the thingrofellos isn't ante, isn't a dexterity card, won't break the cedh meta, and will not waste your time like shahrazad so why should he remained banned?>but my casual pods!that's what the GC list is for
>>96901375>won't break the cedh metaThis will basically be the only viable mono-green cedh commander if it comes out, it's better than any other mono-green commander
Speaking of bans, someone explain to me why commander exclusive cards like Jeweled Lotus are banned. Emrakul Aeons Torn shouldn't be banned either.
>>96901394>This will basically be the only viable mono-green cedh commander if it comes out>he doesn't know picrelthanks for outing yourself as a casual btwlet the big boys handle discussing the meta from here on out
>>96901404there was never a reason to not run jeweled lotus, turned 100 card decks into 99 card decks functionally if anything sol ring should be banned for the same reason
>>96898673who the fuck thinks that those cards look cool? what is wizards doing
>>96901374Repeatable draw 3 for 3.
>>96901423I was about to say sol ring exists. Bans in general are gay as fuck and should instead just be a bracket thing.>Want to run prime time? Bracket 4 minimum>Want to run Emrakul (without tax evasion)? Bracket 2 is fine>Want to run Emrakul with bullshit? Bracket 4
>>96901409you're acting as if cedh green decks wouldn't get rofellos out turn 1 and have it tap for 4 on turn 2
>>96898675>>96898701>>96898708>>96898725>>96898732What are the chances that they'll start using this godawful """treatment""" on actual magic cards?
>>96901451if jeweled lotus comes back it should be limited to bracket 5 same with mana crypt and same with sol ringlet cEDH deal with it
>>96901423Jewed Lotus was better than Sol Ring.
>>96901468I mean, with what source material?
>>96901468Magic would need something to screenshot lmaomaybe when that magic "series" eventually comes out
>>96901460>you're acting as if cedh green decks wouldn't get rofellos out turn 1 and have it tap for 4 on turn 2>this is totally the same power level as kinnan and lumra frfrcasuals spouting nonsense is always a sight to see
>>96898709It's the alphabet secret lair.
>>96901476sure but sol ring is in the same boat, 99.99% of decks want sol ringcards that centralizing don't belong in edh
>>96901478>>96901483There's nothing stopping them from slapping white text with a black outline on any existing art. Doesn't need to be a screenshot.
>>96901423Sol Ring adds a fun level of variance to games because it essentially just means that every now and then someone gets a more explosive start.Because it's a cheap card that everyone runs, that variance is equally spread out and because it's only one card, it doesn't happen too often to be obnoxious.Adding more sol ring-likes pushes this over the edge from being a rare occurrence, it should be a singleton effect.
>>96901394>>96901487>>96901460>>96901409CEDH players aren't going to give a shit about Rofellos because he doesn't have blue.
>>96901487since when did kinnan become mono-green?
>>96901404>Jeweled LotusInsane almost insurmountable start. You could have a 4 mana commander out on turn 1, or a 5+ mana commander out with fast mana like sol ring.>but removalRemoval is indeed a mechanic in the game but many creatures can create a large advantage on etb or on cast. Additionally some removal might not be available to cast on turn 1, or the creature could have built in protection like ward.>but sol ringYes sol ring should also be banned.>EmrakulTop end in too many decks. A lot of decks would forfeit their own theme to basically become a variation of an Emrakul deck, because it could fit into anything. This was more of a feels ban than anything and I don't personally agree with it because while it did make some games and some decks feel samey, that's just a natural part of the format. Like how every hare apparent deck is the same thing regardless of the commander.
>>96901495>the treatment is source material screenshots>will they do this to normal cards?>HUURRRRRR THEY DONT NEED ANYTHING TO SCREENSHOT
>>96901509kinnan is the de facto ramp cedh commander and anyone that would dare usurp his throne (lol rofellos) necessitates comparison
>>96901515Anon, a "treatment" is how the card is laid out. The origin of the picture on the card has nothing to do with the treatment.
>>96901507and yet magda is the strongest mono color cedh deck and doesn't have blue
>>96901506it's more that every deck has sol ring, just kinda lame that you always know guaranteed 1 card in your opponent's deck and really does anyone enjoy a T1 sol ring start that much? half the time it just snowballs into a win in casual tables
