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>>96903048>TQ
God I fucking miss when you could afford to play utility lands without getting run over before they can even do anything.
>>96903048>TQSomeone please convince me not to put Avatar Destiny in the bug deck. It's the only four-drop outside Icetill Explorer that really helps the deck do its thing without Overlords and shitty reanimator cards.
>>96903223I mean if you want to go for it, it's 1 mana protection, it's not gonna brick your deck if you run it vs other similar spells like shardmage's rescue or
>>96903231oh im retarded wrong avatar card, destiny is the 4 mana recursive enchantment. if you have the mana to cast it and want the extra mill why not try it, it's not
>>96903048the embodiement of green
how do you save it?
>>96902519Thanks, I'll stay with unranked. Are there any other cards I should consider adding? Also how long do you think it will take to actually play that deck? I don't have most of it crafted yet.
The name has a great mouth feel
>>96903048"Garfield created lands, Tempest made them equal"
playpremodern
>>96903346what if you could make opponent's creatures fight themselves
You now remember Rankle, master of Prankles
>They printed this>at common
>>96903848Why ruin 1 format when you can ruin multiples?
>>96903764>what if you could make opponent's creatures fight themselvesi know of a red card that does that
>>96903862They should print Thoughtseize at common except it makes your opponent lose the 2 life instead and it doesn't target and also it exiles and also you gain life.For commander, of course.
>>96903944Embarrassingly, I forgot to template this like a creature etb, because my first draft mistakenly had it as a sorcery (not exciting enough and dies to Force of Negation!)
>>96903848>make very pushed effects that would have been over the top if it was a sorcery>oh I know>let's make it an enchantment with an etb instead so people can turn all those "bounce as a cost" into value recursion
Dumb noob question but what's the best way to handle ratios in this game? Is there ever a reason to run 1 offs? How many lands do you actually want in a deck?
>>96903848>>96903963>oh no, worse thoughtseize, god forbidIt’s mid. It also fell off months before being banned yet we’re supposed to believe it and beans are bigger problems than vivi
>seller removes the playset of foreign white border pestilence after they shipped the cards because they noticed that the item was not in their stock anymoreI WAS LOOKING FORWARD TO PLAY SOME CAT PESTILENCE NEXT WEEK FFS
>>96903963yeah, next time make it an artifact otherwise it's borderline unplayable
>>96904112it's for the greater good anon. It's very hard to actually finish a cat food match in the 50 mins you have for a round so you'd end up with a 2-0-2 record at best or some shit
>>96904089>4-of: Card you want to see all the time>3-of: Card you want to see once per game>2-of: Cards you sometimes want to see, cards you want to see if the game goes late>1-of: Cards you never want to draw more than one of, cards you can tutorFor example, you want 4 Brainstorm because you can readily cast it and are almost always happy to see it (fugg bowmasters), but something like Stroke of Genius is clunky in multiples and becomes stronger as the game goes later, making it great at 2-ofAnother tool that helps you think of number of cards is mana cost. A 4-cost spell is going to rot in your hand on turns 1, 2, and 3, so it becomes easier to run as a 3-of because you have 4 turns to naturally draw into it. Lower cost spells are also easier to double spell, so running more of them increases your chances of casting two spells in a turn, whereas 4+ mana cost spells are almost never going to be double spelled in a turnThere have been a lot of writings about land count and color requirements. You can search "Frank Karsten MTG Land" and you will find multiple articles. The big takeaways>14 colored mana sources to turn 1 cast>18 colored mana sources to turn 2 cast>most people run too few lands to support their top end>abilities on lands allow your lands to "double" as spells, creatures, or mana sinksYou want to be able to play turn 1 Path to Exile then turn 2 Counterspell. You need 14 white sources for Path and 18 for Counterspell. An example mana base of 4 Tundra 4 Flooded Strand 6 Plains 10 Islands would hit your color requirements, since Tundra and Flooded Strand count towards both white and blue. If we improve this mana base by adding another land that produces W and U, we can then turn other lands into utility lands like Mutavault
>>96904145I know but faeries are a menace and need to be gunned down
>>96903048>TQ>>96903332>the embodiement of greenFriendly reminder that blue is strictly better.
For me, Modern died with the RW Burn.
>>96903757I'm actually quite tempted to jump into the format with Black Aggro but not Clerics.
>>96904089>>96904226[cont]One of the reasons people talk about archetypes is because it gives a roadmap for playing but also deck construction. While there are subgenres and combination archetypes, these are very well known>combo: 20 lands, 8 interaction>aggro: 22 lands, 10 interaction>midrange: 24 lands, 12 interaction>control: 26 lands, 14+ interactionAn aggro deck which wants to come out swinging is going to prioritize threats over land advantage and interaction. Hitting their 1-2-3 drops that apply pressure is more important than making sure they get to their 4th land. Meanwhile control decks want to hit every land drop and use that mana advantage to create their win in a longer game, which is also why they want higher amounts of interaction.These numbers are just a guideline, but also format dependent. Deck building ideas also come into play here. For example, decks running Gush are able to play far fewer lands for two reasons, namely Gush draws cards (find those fewer lands with additional draws), and Gush returns lands to hand (play lands returned via Gush). Decks that are able to run functionally identical cards with different names gain a huge advantage in consistency. A great example of this is the 8-rack deck, which ran two different versions of a one cost card that deals damage when your opponent has little/no cards in hand. Having 8 copies means it is very likely to start with one of these or draw them naturally, and the deck also relied on the numerous discard options to turn on the 8-rack damage. Sometimes a card has a similar but worse card that goes with it, such as the deck Splinter Twin. Splinter Twin is a 4 cost enchantment with RR, but the deck can run a 5 mana creature (Kiki jiki) that costs RRR as a back up. Decks have the option to run 1-4 copies of Kiki jiki if they want further redundancy, but it isn't as appealing as the 8-rack situation for obvious reasons.
>>96904320Look up "Moneyball Black", a build of it it just won the largest ever Premodern event. The idea is you play good, solid cards that don't fold to any match up and are well positioned against many top decks. The deck is rather cheap to build, worth your time to gitgud on, and you can adjust for any given meta. Black has really great and easy to use sideboard options too, so your brain won't be nuked when playing a tournament
>>96903048>tqdual lands
>>96903848Funny how that never saw play in Pauper even though there's an Orzhov shell where it would fit.
>>96904570it would work if there was a functional reprint of Kor Skyfisher that does not suck dick (pic related)and playing dream stalker leads to a messy manabase even if you play pseudo-affinity with cryogen relic
>>96904603Yeah I completely forgot that glint hawk doesn't pick it up, my bad. That one would go crazy if it had warp for one or two.
>fucking hate MTGA and its rigged shuffler>get baited by powered cube and install again>grind up to 10k gold for draft>get flooded 4 games in a row with a 13 land boros deckYeah, absolutely never touching this trash again.
>>96904632I always found MTGA super weird and hard to play. Not sure what it is about it something just feels very off.
>>96904632MTGA functions like any other multiplayer game in current year and is under literally zero obligations to give you a fair or fun game, it's about maximizing how much time you spend on their game and they will use every casino-like trick in the book to steal your time for their statistics for advertisers. You WILL get rigged games forever, your opponent will be given better draws because if you lose they know you will probably grind to win again. Multiplayer gaming is nothing but a skinner box and you only have yourself to blame for going back into it.
>>96903764They errata'd out the card they misprinted to be able to do that lol
>>96904776>You WILL get rigged games forever, your opponent will be given better draws because if you lose they know you will probably grind to win againwhat happens if you're the one being given better draws while your opponent is rigged against
>>96904788You will be assured of your skill and the authenticity of the matchmaking system to match players of equal skill against each other until your next loss
>>96904092It's a big problems in pauper
>>96904825It literally only sees play in one tier 3 deck
>>96904825retard
It seems like commander is the only game on MTGO with any players.
>random ass animal as mythic rare
>>96904500Are they only.printing the allied cycle?
>>96905062>mythic rarewhat
>>96905037I'm pretty sure both pauper and modern have more players, traditional commander on mtgo is super slow and clunky, virtually impossible to play with randoms
>>96905085other were in EoE but because of spiderman they are separated
>>96905100I actually login to mtgo and play it, there's a fuckton of commander. A game guarantees about an hour or so of your time. Brackets mean jack shit, it's either cedh or not-cedh, otherwise it's like the wild west.
>>96905126I think I didn't express myself correctly, I'm not arguing that nobody plays commander on mtgo, I meant to say it's a shitty experience, even if a lot of people do it
Why is the Goblin Shaman token $9?
>>96905062>bird assassin>assassinI know it's combustion man's bird, but it's still just a bird. What, should we be giving every trained animal a profession creature type now?
Scarcity is the function of price.
>>96905177Because Fable of the Mirror-Breaker
>>96905177low supply for the demand, I think? fable isn't nearly as popular as it used to be but it still sees play across formats
>>96905186ermmm excuse me chud remember bloomburrow? animals can be things too
>>96905164That makes more sense and you're correct. Though MTGO sucks generally anyway, so as long as you learn to yield through no possible plays and tap out and EOT, the game can speed up immensely.In case anyone gives a shit, there were strangely TWO premodern games up (and a penny dreadful league) which is more than the one standard game. About 16 pauper games. 5 vintage. 7 legacy. 15 modern. 2 pioneer. 12 4 player commander, one 2 player commander, 5 duel commander.
If we had block formats maybe we could have allied and enemy shocklands for EOE and Lorwyn 2. It's actually so shitty that there are now enemy space shocklands but no allied ones and allied Lorwyn shocks but no enemy ones. Not to mention the Lorwyn shocks are easily the fugliest shocklands yet.
fuck shockland let's make boltlandThunderous MountainLand - Mountain Mountain When ~ enters, it deals 3 damage to any target
>stopped carrying about mtg years ago>randomly got youtube video about this card>"lol no way its real">it islmao what the fuck, why do you keep playing this shit?
>>96905293https://scryfall.com/card/sld/7010/counterspell
>>96905283The best we can offer.
>>96905293Maro said they have already planned out enough UB slops until the early 2030sIt's not your game anymore
>>96905293SOVL>>96905299souless
>>96905062welcome back graveyard trespasser
>>96905293Which way?
Mtg is more universes beyond than it is magic
>>96905332The last time I looked at Shadowverse they got rid of all the planeswalkers from the first game who I actually liked and replaced them with retarded super bland-looking new niggas that don't even visually fit their classes half the time.
>>96905345they actually launched shadowverse 2 fairly recently (6 month ago) its another coomer bait
>>96905358A cat is fine too.
>>96905358>Beelzebub is a gay man nowBeelzebub used to look like this.Japan has fallen... owari da...
>>96905283every mountain past the 6th with Valakut, molten pinnacle on board
>>96903346By banning every single card printed including and after war of the spark from every format, ever.
>>96905252Hold up
>>96903346Spellweavers rootsGEnchantment - AuraFlashEnchant target creatureExile target spell until spellweavers roots leaves the battlefield
Did everyone forget how Green Midrange was AIDS in Standard for 5 years? Remember Veil of Summer seeing Legacy play? Even during the WAR era with K4rn slotting into green ramp and raping people for free with his wishboard? Hell, Pioneer was ruined for half a year by monogreen using Nykthos to take a 10 minute turn where they play literally their entire deck and win by using 90 mana at once. They can still do that.Monogreen is fucking gay and I hope it's dead forever.
>>96905332is this force of will?
>>96905536Anon, people don't even remember what 3 months ago was, let alone years and WotC knows it. Not everyone is like the one assmad anon who will bitch about Screaming Nemesis for the next decade.
>>96905293Is so grim right now but it’s not even at its worst. Wait for TMNT and Star Trek…
Yeah, obviously this guy was getting a card.
And... This is 'okay' at Sorcery but probably nothing special.
>>96905731And this guy?
>>96905731>4 mana do nothing>pushable>no evasion>make a 1/1the pebble, ready to get humbled
>>96905752Not memed on enough.
>>96905717ZAMN
>>96905749if only this shit was common...
>>96905358I've somehow never heard of this. Installing on my phone now.Any other good mobile/pc cardgames? I'm aware of hearthstone and the magic apps, but not much else.
>>96905388Turns out that the homo audience has more buying power... even WotC realized this with Gay Bolas anon...
>>96905717That's a pretty good card to have in a toolbox
>>96905536Green is bad ow for reasons that go beyond the scope of a single color being good or bad. What green wabts to do is fundamentally obsolete in the current era of card design. Sacrificing abilities, instant speed interaction, and synergy for raw stats and land count is simply not an effective strategy with the speed of current standard sets.
>>96906066We need a green Ragavan/Tamiyo/Ocelot Pride, but this time in Standard.
>>96903346>color shifting viper>1G>flash, deathtouch>when this enters, It fights target creatures an opponent controls1/1
>>96905822There's a free client for the digimon card game. Fanmade, so no jewish tricks or grinding. Pretty fun if you like 'mons.Feel safe in guessing there's a pokemon tcg and yugioh equivalent.
Huh. Interesting they're bringing back this sort of effect.
>>96906066thisanything green can do other colors can do better. My favorite example of this is green being marketed as the creature color while its creatures are undercosted beatsticks meanwhile red gets undercosted beatsticks with gamechanging abilities.
>>96906109I love browbeat effects
>>96906109And his associated technique, I guess.
>>96906109I miss the times maroro had a meltdown that Chaos Warp breaks the colour wheel because it allows red to deal with any permanent.
>>96906136Polymorph is a blue skill
Another Ascension, featuring Toph's squished face.
>>96906136>maroroMaro. (Can autocorrect be drunk?)
>>96906149>squished faceThis is a byproduct of upscaling isn't it.
>>96906136They generally seem to be okay with Red being able to deal with enchantments in a very Red way, very sparingly. Punishment effects tend to be that, but they don't print those that often.
>>96906149Man, they need to stop asking western artists to do anime style
>>96906166Isn't even that long ago they printed a new one for Red in fact.
>>96906149>shitty art>western artistClockwork
The green Shrine ramps, surprising nobody.
>>96906166Because they are often terrible. The opponent is always in control so they won't let the card be destroyed when you need it to or they won't take damage when you need it to.
This will win some limited games.
I guess it's not that unclear that Jet died.
Strictly worse Slaughter the Strong.
Solid little 1-drop.
>>96906215Holy shit an uncommon board wipe
And kinda overcosted removal or make a body, I guess.
>>96906215always liked board wipes like this
>>96906191Unlike some of the other shrines, this one's passive effect is pretty nice. Will there be a 5c shrine is the question, or are we done
>>96906109Huh, a card with actual soul coming out of Avatar. (Its nearly unplayable, of course but hey - baby steps.)
>>96905731https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PY5zwufNYk8WATCH US WRECK THE MIC, WATCH US WRECK THE MIC, PSYCHE!
>>96905037>>96905221The giveaway is 16 pauper games. You are looking at the poor people area of MTGO. Real humans who want to play are in the leagues, not bumming around the free play section.
>>96906456Post trophies
>>96905752
>>96906257My prediction is that there will be a colorless Shrine, since they've consistently had the Avatar State be depicted as colorless.
>>96905731So what characters are left that haven't had a card revealed yet?Only relevant one I can think of is Koh the Face Stealer.
>>96906514It's also possible we'll get a second non-Jumpstart Ozai though I kinda doubt it at this point.
guys, what card is this from? it's bugging me to no end and edhg is bad at magic
>>96906514Oh, also the Green flip-Saga (which is obviously Kyoshi).
>>96906109This is the best art of the year and I don't think it's even particularly close
Man, I can't even get hyped for cards because I know there are seven sets next year. Seven fucking sets man, there are couple of interesting cards like Mai but fuck me, 7 sets? Also I hate the fact that she's a legend, you can't place her down like Eidolon
>>96906514Did Bato get a card? Not that he ever actually did all that much.
>>96906550The firebender master that first tried to teach Aang and Sokka's swordmaster didn't get a solo card yet.
>>96906558
>>96906575Who's that again.
>>96903048Tourist here. On the off-chance anyone remotely related to WotC browses here, I just wanted to tell you that if you aren't even going to try to do Universes Beyond correctly, just sell your game to Tencent and speedrun the carpet-bagging. The lack of an Azula avatar, card back, preorder pack, or commander deck is so phenomenally retarded as to be parasuicidal. Just neck the brand and move on to D&D or whatever you plan to suck dry next.
>>96906149>continues to non-optionally amass quest counters after 4 for no purpose at allthey really fucked up the designs of these...
>>96906575Jeong Jeong and Master Piando have cards already
They also revealed some Secret Lairs for Avatar and this is probably the only really funny one of the bunch. There's four and apart from the Ember Island Players one the themes are a bit scatter-shot.
>>96906612Some neat art in some of them at least.
>>96906599That's how it's been, retard, and they probably kept it like that since it means you can do shit like transfer counters without turning the ascension offline.
Where do you think the hybrid mana change will leed? What's next on the chopping block?
>>96906628The point is the old ones had may, the new ones don't. But they've just generally shied away from pointless "may" triggers for a long while anyway.
>>96906638>Commander rules changeI don't care.
>>96906558oh shit eye anon is back
>>96906456Well, help me learn. What is the benefit of playing in leagues? I've been out of the MTGO loop since Theros block.
>>96906598I work in production controll but i will forward your message to my superior
>>96906638I honest-to-God hate the idea of the hybrid change, since it seems like a shortsighted rules complication just to appease snowflakes that want to run Lurrus in monocolor decks.
>>96906638The death of commander, hopefully.
>>96906637no anon goddammit answer me this at least
>>96906657>What is the benefit of playing in leagues?matchmaking + you actually get stuff by winning
>>96906558>Search lore:eye on Scryfall>Actually find itHoly shit wtf is this art?
>>96905293>mfw someone says they don't own an air fryer
>>96906638dual sided or ability based color identity mattering outside of command zone
>>96906750Anon that meme is like 5 years old stop beating the horse
>>96905062Seems a bit schizo, no? Draw synergies, clues (so artifacts), graveyard hate. Guess it's at least partially archetype glue for limited?
>>96905062wow that's almost as odd as getting random orcs at mythic rare
>>96906066Perhaps this is why landfall has become so ungodly pushed. If I see a chocobo or whatever I know that's several turns of holding up multiple pieces of interaction lest I get run over by a 32/32 hydra
>>96906814It's just graveyard trespasser with "draw your second card each turn because we can't be bothered to find more interesting draft archetype" synergy slapped onto it.
>>96906847it's graveyard trespasser minus the most important part of graveyard trespasser.
>>96906080>>96906111>>96906840Green: 7/6 with trample for 6Red: 6/5 with trample, haste, and a burn spell on etb for 6 ( kicker: pay (2) less, this creature is sacrificed at the end of combat )
>>96906657You can make real money grinding leagues if you're good enough.
>>96906657Leagues are the only place you'll play against competent competition.
>>96906558>edhg is bad at magicanon to be fair the question you posted in that thread was >what card art is this? >all but the eyes are painted overwhich is some fucking esl shit that didn't describe >>96906744 at all.
>>96906657>>96906695If you are playing a format that has a league it will probably be more fun. Leagues make it faster/easier to find a match, prizes are generous in constructed (+EV at 50% winrate), and you face more invested opponents so game quality goes up.Free games are good if you can't win, either because you are bad at the game (<45% match winrate) or you are making hopeless brews. I think if you are in this category it's probably more fun to play casual/kitchen table formats, but you need to bring your own friends for that on mtgo.the goatbots event calculator is a handy tool. make sure to adjust the sliders properly.https://www.goatbots.com/event-calculator
cute flavor
>>96906972you say cute, I say childish.
>>96906917>>96906689>>96906558You should make a website with this as a game.
This game is so far from what it once was. How am I supposed to care about flavor when people will be using Spiderman characters and tapping pizza for mana? I feel nauseous.
Is tapping all of your opponents creatures with blink and protecting the tapper with counterspells a valid strategy in 2025?
>>96907020Well it's a show for kids.
>>96907025They have it for album covers https://guessthatalbum.com/
>>96907042>AllShe only gets one.
>>96907042Like man, this card would've been fun to build around in 2017 but now it feels weak. It's flavourful, it has a real function since it's worded in a way in which you can blink it but it feels way too weak for 2025 standard, pioneer or modern. You could slot it onto esper pixies
>>96907063As far as I understand it you could tap one creature, return her to your hand with fear of isolation, blink another and if the untapped creature attacks it won't untap next turn as you control Ty Lee
>>96907061I feel like the only eyes gimmick really sets it apart and makes it fun to try to guess. With popular cards mixed in so it doesn't feel so impossible I think it would make a really fun game.
>>96906473I quit playing this game and I deleted all my old decks for performance reasons. Hopefully a cellphone pic of 3500 tickets and a promo Sorrow's Path can convince you I'm an old head that knows what he is talking about.
>>96907042Any time a card has it's own name like Ty Lee it really means "this card" so blinking it would mean you longer control the same card.It would have to say "as long as you control a card named Ty Lee"
>>96907077>>96907084remember that blinking her creates a new instance of Ty Lee that doesn't 'remember' tapping down the first creature. So while you can blink her to tap down multiple things in a turn, only the latest will stay tapped down turn over turn
>>96907025He stole all these from a contest on Card Market. He wants us to do the work for him so that he can enter the 75 euro raffle:https://www.cardmarket.com/en/Insight/Articles/magic-halloween-contest-2025
earthbending payoff just dropped
>>96907116Oh lol. Well I still think it's a really fun idea
>>96907118He's back
>>96907118>Eternal only>Another version of this slop for commanderBoooring.
>>96907118Cute interaction, though I don't think it'll be any good.
if nothing else, we're getting a ton of cute girls
Print it to standard you cowards
>>96905062Thank god, a GY Trespasser I can actually play as I refuse to buy double faced cards.
>>96907118I'm still holding out for Wildfire being in the set. Can you imagine?
bit obvious
>>96906744I was using art tags with all kinds of eye related searches but no dice. nice job>>96906917idk man, makes perfect sense if you are not esl
>>96907042I've seen people completely locked out of games by 1 Floodpits Drowner
>>96907159no
>>96907155There she is
>>96907181See, now this is flavor
>>96907181Nothing will ever top the 2XM Blood Moon where the moon is just a massive sphere of lava ripped out of an active volcano. That was cool as fuck.
>>96907220>2XM Blood Moon
>>96907186ok retard
>>96907283ad hom I win!
>>96907337what did they mean by this
>>96907053it WAS a show for kidsnow it just a souless cash grab for thirty-something year olds
>>96907347Katara rapes blind children
>>96907220zamn
>>96907337>>96907347>whenever they get laid down first time in a month, put +1 baby in them
'course they did this.
>>96907372P...premodern is fun r...right?
Bard tribal card.
>>96907396damn hippies
>>96907337UBcels I kneel
>>96907372I found out about this line, not by watching this show, but after telling someone in a group chat "that's rough" after they mentioned one of their grandparents dying, which got a bit of a reaction and someone posted a link to the clip. I didn't realize that was an odd way to express sympathy.
>the most sex appeal Magic has had in 10 years comes from a set where every character is from a children's cartoonEmbarrassing
The off-color bending seems to be regulated to the jump-start set.
>>96907104...whatcha gonna do with all those tixWanna help a brother with his 7 tix pauper deck
>>96907431Between this, Spiderman, and FF, it's clear that the only source of sexy girl cards for the forseeable future is going to be UB sets where WotC is given a minimal amount of creative liberty.
>>96907424The joke in the show was more that it was a very casual response to a very absurd situation getting described. It's not an odd thing to say by itself.
>>96907337This is actually a good card in certain decks, but I don't want to run it not because it's UB, but because I'm afraid of the looks I might get.
>>96907462Anon, we have already seen multiple non-red cards with firebending.
>>96907475Will we get an Orion Slave Girl card in Star Trek?>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u67XkIqjOck
>>96907431total california death
>>96907481The girls in the group chat thought I was being insensitive while some of the guys found it amusing.
>>96907497Nigga the only people who still play non-Commander Magic are 35 year old sweaty redditors who jack it to ponies, no one will care about your teen lesbo card
>>96907512That's on them, I've definitely heard both girls and guys use it without issue. Does seem more like a guy thing, though.
Seriously though Magic is a 30-year-old IP, one of the most well known in the world and literally genre defining, but it has so little porn, so little fanart in general, and no iconic sexy female character. Liliana is the designated one but she's forced as fuck. The biggest sex symbol in Magic is Ajani.I think it does show immaturity and brand weakness that Magic is this sexless.
>>96903346>how do you save it?Amulet Titan is the best deck in Modern right now, Green has never needed saving. Frankly I'm still nursing a grudge over collected company and siege rhino. Right now Red Deck Wins and Vivi are shitting up Standard but that doesn't undo decades of the past. Also all eldrazi decks are green as a matter of course even in Legacy because WOTC utterly failed to distinguish "colorless needs a bunch of mana to cast big eldrazi creatures!" from "green makes a fuckton of mana to cast big green stompy creatures" as color pie slices so "colorless" is really just green 2.0 with decks running once upon a time, multiple yavimayas, and eldrazi repurposer with a bunch of cavern of souls
>>96907470trying to sell them so I can leave this game behind, but most people only have paypal so I'm still holding. put your discord or mtgo SN up and I'll get in touch for an early xmas gift.
>>96907479Huh, you can earthbend the moon to get her back as a creature
>>96907552Wizards just has zero clue on how to market their brands. The biggest boost to DnD was an unrelated Netflix show that used their monsters' names
Why is it a bear? Koalas aren't raccoons.
>>96907181Guess that explains why they didn't use this scene for Blasphemous Act.
>>96907565Why can't you use paypal? How much are you trying to sell them for?I'm gustavomelogil on dc
How do you break this?
>>96905388that's actually still how the o.g beelzebub/helel ben shalem/speaker of bahamut looks in granblue too. The male bubs is the failed astral copy of the original who's one of two prime servants of bahamut, the other being Lucifer who you probably remember from rage of bahamut. it's like a reverse X-23 situation where the og is a cute girl and the copy is a burly fag voiced by Kamina
>>96907606same way you break archaeomancer, with displacer kitten and an extra turn spell
And the last member of the uncommon hybrid legendaries. In my defense, I can never remember this guy's name, so I wasn't thinking of him when wondering about U/R characters.
>>96907510Almost definitely not. Star Trek has tons of material, they can do a lot of picking and choosing. It'll be a few iconic things from the old series and a bunch of WOKE SLOP from the newer ones.
>>96907645You WILL play Janeway in Legacy
Okay this is one of the few good/okay screengrab cards- the framing is good, the name and effect are good, the flavor is good, and it's a reprint of a $40 card from Portal Three Kingdoms.
>>96907586I don't understand the question.
>>96907586They used to be call Koala Bears and I don't think Magic has a marsupial creature type......
>>96907580>The biggest boost to DnD was an unrelated Netflix show that used their monsters' nameswhich show?
>>96907728Anon...
>>96907684Why was the Koala-Sheep card given the creature type bear when it is a hybrid of a sheep (a bovid) and a koala (a marsupial) with neither type being related to bears (Ursids)?
>>96907738Because it's a hybrid of Sheep and Koala Bear.
>>96907728The Strangest Things shows.
>>96907606It's 2U, you don't
>>96907791U2
>>96907728Stranger Things. Also I guess Critical Role too deserves some credit. All of that is to say WotC didn't do shit to grow the game themselves
>>96907791You only need to cast it once.
>>96907825It was those two specific things... that's exactly where it all fell apart...
>>96905293Shut up slave and pay the $40 for your portal reprint cause you have to play your 50th tutor with a different name in your commander deck.
>>96907155Best girl by a landslide
>>96907856Fuck no, that's Toph.
>>96907856Azula mogs all of them.>tfw no bpd azula gf to fix with the art of cockbending
nightmare scenario: spirk card.
>>96907856Ty Lee would be the best to date/marry but Azula would be the best in the sack
>>96906215anti ouroboroid xddd
>>96907042tummy sexooo uohhh ToT
>>96907497sorry to have to do this bro but you are a faggotbe better
Kyoshi just dropped
Guys how fucked is pioneer really? Is it playable on Arena?
>>96908034Remind me, what color is the flip side?
>8 Zuko cards>17 Appa cards>63 Peter Parker cardsThis shit is so desperate.
>>96908054
>>96908054Going by the pattern, green most likely. Yangchen was white, Kuruk Blue, Roku Red, and for black they had Sozin because they didn't want to make a Szeto card (also, he doesn't really fit black, while Sozin definitely does fit black)
>>96908079>that land becomes an island in addition to it's other typeskek, love when flavor influences cards in stupid harmless ways like that. Same reason why I love Hundred Handed One, since if you attack into it with 101 creatures, it can block all but one of them.
>>96907592Hey dickhead, quit mooching off my begging.>>96907565I was mostly joking anon, you dont have to give me any tix. You're a bro for offering though.
>>96907567Shoot Sokkas girlfriend at people
>>96908048>Guys how fucked is pioneer really?really depends on where you play it but in general it's fine, we've had much worse >Is it playable on Arena?arena has "tournament pioneer" meaning it has the essential cards for the vast majority of meta decks, if you want to dig deep into the mythic/rare dumpster, you might not find the card you're looking for, it's annoying for people who like to brew unconventional stuff but it's not missing anything that would severely affect competitive play
>>96908143Thanks anon. I just want to play some honest black burn so I've been thinking about installing Arena again. Is the deck competitive with phoenix, rakdos, mice and other degenerate stuff running around?
Weird that she's not legendary. I get why, it fits the theme, but it's still strange to have a named character not be legendary.
Yeah that sure is a wall. And it not having reach implies it's completely useless against flight.
>>96908164they should make a commander that can partner with itself
Paper:>has spoodermans>decks cost 500 gorillion dollarsArena:>has no spoodermans>decks are free
Everything is Lotus Field.
>>96908108why are you pretending to be me?
>>96908164Ok, that's a cute effect.
>>96908164>named character...Is it?
>>96908164should've added "a deck can have any number of copies of Joo Dee" too
>>96908170I mean, it wasn't? The first time the Gaang encountered it Aang flew to the top on his glider, and that's also probably why the FIre Nation was so interested in flying machines like the War Balloons, since they're the natural counter for ground based earthbenders
>>96908170dragon autist just came on the spot
>>96908208Well, in the way any legendary is usually named, yes, she's got that same thing going, even if the 'bit' is she's not really that.
>>96908170>0/FUCKING-THIRTYhttps://youtu.be/zpemKbWUqW0?si=9OiRXU6bSgwOGqt8>>96908219She's not a specific character, though, even if she has a name.
>>96908170It costs 8, it should've been indestructible itself too.
>>96908198What a homo. Burn in hellfire you scamming faggot.
>>96904226>you want 4 Brainstorm because you can readily cast it and are almost always happy to see it (fugg bowmasters),almost 20 years of nothing stopping the "high skill" card from being goodthen we get like 5 playablesand you're still seething
>>96908170LolLmaoDies to a 3 drop
>>96908195This multiplies your mana by 1.5, which is worse than Mirari's Wake which came out years ago.
>>96908218First thing I thought of was my Arcades EDH deck.
>>96908076>63There is only 8 Peter Parker cards, though.
>>96908259You're meant to sacrifice your earthbending lands, since they all come back. Plus it's a monocolor card.
>>96908255It's insane how this card is currently unplayable in standard or pioneer. Same applies to cruelclaw, you'd think these effects were strong enough to make midrange viable but they really aren't
>>96908259It's meant to be played with Earthbending, so that 1.5 becomes ~3.
>>96907719Kangaroos were introduced in this same set.
>>96908156I'm only familar with black burn in concept since I've only ever seen the deck in modern, but I'm positive you can make any black deck be competitive in pioneer as long as you're willing to play all the best interaction black has to offeryou're probably going to be worse than traditional black midrange but that should still be enough to win games
>>96908279Slasher did get played though, anons were crying about B midrange constantly.
>>96908350It did for the shortest time but now it sees no play, not here, not in pioneer... For god sakes it's a recursive threat for 3 mana that does half of your health
>>96905293this card is so bad it loops around to being my favorite from the set. it sucks ass but i laugh every time i see it.
>>969082728? There's the flip Peter, the common 3/3, Spectacular, Symbiote, Cosmic, Iron Spider (kind of) and the starter deck one. What's the 8th?
>>96908164Haven't seen the show, why isn't she Legendary? Is it a clone thing?
>>96908327less appropriate than bear for koala....
>>96908170We went from 17 to 30 real quick.
>>96908402Every time the previous Joo Dee starts showing cracks in her reprogramming, the secret police disappear her and replace her with another brainwashed woman named Joo Dee.
>>96908393Noir.
>>96908428I suppose, but that's technically a different guy also named Peter Parker.
>>96908402She shows up as an official city guide that visits and helps the crew out, shit happens and she gets in trouble. Then the next time they get a visit it's a different woman who introduces herself with the same name and outfit. The implication being it's really a bunch of different women trained/brainwashed into the role, not an actual single person with that name.
>>96908418to be fair, it costs twice as much
>>9690841820 to 30, you mean.
>>96908433>Different guy.He's literally Peter Parker from a parallel universe. Spiders-Man would be considered a separate "person" because it is just a colony of spiders with Peter's memories.
>>96908475*A character like Spiders-Man, on the other hand...
>>96908255the lighting makes me see this every time, for just a moment, as just a head on a stick that drives around on a sawblade
>We get a naked Iroh card in JumpstartOkay, 10/10 set, go home, we won.
What's the point of Jumpstart?
>>96908279Interaction in standard isn't that great for a midrange deck. Pioneer has fables.
>>96908725entry point for new playersseems quaint now compared to ub shit lol
>>96908725it's a cool idea
>>96908744>>96908753Sorry, I meant jumpstart for each set like the Avatar one. Wouldn't just buying the regular set with a precon be a better entry point?
>>96908772>jumpstart for each set like the Avatar onethis is the first I'm hearing of this
>>96908797
>>96908772Jumpstart is a pretty solid choice for newbies, and the whole point of UB is to entice newbies to come try the game. Makes sense they'd experiment with combining the two.
>payment plan for gards
>>96908772well you can't shuffle up four standard packs and play from literally nothing. with js you can and that's supposedly the point>>96908801now correct me if I'm wrong but aren't these made entirely (or mostly) with non-standard-legal original card designs? the same way Jumpstart Foundations and the previous two, standalone, Jumpstart products were?or is it like the Brother's War "Jumpstart" where it was just standard cards
>>96908853These have their own cards, yes. It's a proper Jumpstart set.
>>96908850>collector boosters on Doordash
>>96908725>>96908772>>96908832It also has other uses- Jumpstart cards are only legal in legacy/vintage/commander, so it gives them another avenue to print or reprint interesting cards for those formats.
>>96908772It is strange that we didn't get Commander precons for Spider-Man or Avatar. We are getting one for TMNT, but it is odd that we're only getting one (you'd think there'd be second deck for villains). One would think that Marvel would get at least 4 precons like FF did, but who knows what will happen.
>>96908772I am also confused by the lack of avatar precons.
>>96908899You been in a coma for the past few years? They've been printing commander cards in standard, they don't give a fuck about that kind of shit. They'd just make a seventh standard set in the year if they wanted to have those cards get added.
>>96908916I think MaRo already confirmed we're getting Marvel precons.Spider-Man presumably didn't get precons because it was originally meant to be a small set like Ass Creed and they clearly didn't have enough time. As for Avatar, who knows, my guess is that they decided to dedicated their resources to Jumpstart instead for some reason.
>>96908924I think they want to stop putting precons out every set in general, too? They want only like one supplemental product per set, really.
>>96908857that's what I thought. I guess I don't mind the extra effort but isn't that like, really ambitious?? Wiki says there are 121 (!) different packs with 61 themes, and then the beginner box has another ten packs with themes of their own -- and basically none of these cards are standard legal? So they end up having fourth and fifth versions of characters like Zuko and Aang just so they can support all these packs?I've glanced at some of the Jumpstart cards and it seems like they all use the same mechanics - Lessons and Shrines and Allies and Bending - as the ones in the Standard set which has 280 cards. Would it really not have been possible to make 61 decks using some combination of the cards in the set and some Standard-legal reprints? On the one hand I'm really impressed by the amount of dev work that went into all that, and I really like Jumpstart products in principle, but it's just so weird to me that buying Jumpstart cards doesn't let you... JUMPSTART a standard collection at all.
>>96908923all card are for commander, not all cards are for legacy
>>96908937They mentioned they wanted to cut down on pre cons a bit this year and to their credit they actually meant it for once. Most standard sets only get 2 commander decks with the exception of Tarkir compared to last year where you were getting 4 per a set
>>96908937They did stop doing 4 precons for every set like they used to, now 2 seems to be the norm for universes-within sets (although Dragonstorm got 5 since Tarkir and the clans are all popular), and for UB it seems to just depend.
>>96908725To make you spend more money with exclusive cards. (It arguably is a "good" product for new players even though it isn't because the cards are not Standard legal.)
>>96909030standard is not a better format for new players compared to limited
>>96909030The majority of new players don't care about Standard legality because they'll never play Standard.
>>96909023I do wonder what Super Heroes will have actually. I can see four existing. Avengers, Fantastic Four, Villains and... I dunno, Street Level?
>>96909043>>96909036they need to un-fuck thisI propose "Set Constructed" as a format
>>96909070They could also do precons based on specific characters and their associated cast and legacy characters, like Captain America, Thor, and Iron Man.
ALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS MAKE STANDARD FUNALL THEY HAD TO DO WAS STOP THE ETB CREEP FROM 2017
Standard is not the entry point into Magic anymore, it's EDH.
>>96909077Trying to push yet another format isn't going to solve that. The point is that most new players will tend to just play kitchen table, they're not going to spend a bunch of time looking up decklists or trying to figure out if the cards they have are legal in the format.
>>96909094They could, but that'd feel weirdly narrow for as broad a set as Super Heroes seems to be. Best guess is Avengers helmed by Cap, Fantastic Four helmed by Reed (or Reed & Sue together with Johnny & Ben as the backup), Villains helmed by Doctor Doom and Street Level helmed by... Let's say Daredevil (with Luke Cage as backup maybe)?We're likely getting an X-Men set since the only real X-Men character showing up in Super Heroes, near as we can tell, is Wolverine, who's... Like, in every fucking team, it'd be weirder if he wasn't there, so I'm not considering an X-Men precon or any such thing.
>>96907136I remember opening this guy and immediately selling him to the shop for soda and chips.
>>96909131>anymorenever was
>>96909030>good" product for new players even though it isn't because the cards are not Standard legalNew players should be avoiding standard like the fucking plague so this isn't actually an issue, it hasn't been approachable for new players or budget decks in 5+ years.The reality is most noobs get into paper magic through EDH where the jumpstart shit is legal anyways, or they got into the game through Arena
>>96909036>>96909043"Here are some cards to learn how to play with! By the way, you can't use them in events that run at your local store!" is typically something that should be avoided.
>>96909137set-standard would be pretty fucking easy to figure out legality for, no?
>>96909238the only events my LGS runs are Commander night and draft, so...maybe in Nebraska?
>>96909229I literally disagree.
https://www.twitch.tv/magickino (turn your sound down before you click in)
>>96909238Anon, most new players aren't going to events at their local store.
>>96909270>video is just a dude playing power cube on arena>audio is just his heavy breathing plus constant staticnice
>>96909276sure they are, they're going to Commander night lol
>>96905252chat is this real
>>96909301Prereleases are casual fun too.
>>96908725It's the only way I can get people to play for the first time, it's just so simple, pick two themes, now we have a deck here are the rules ect......
>>96909238Bold of you to assume that anyone getting into mtg through commander has any interest getting into standard.
Still trying to make my first deck in arena, how long is it going to take to make the cards I don't have yet? I still haven't gotten a gold wildcard yet.
>>96909077Block constructed used to be a thing
>>96908772No, two jumpstart packs are like 12 bucks, and can be mixed and matched with other packs
>>96909429You get wildcards by opening packs.1000 gold per day. One pack per day. Hope for the card you want, accrue the counter and get wildcards.
>>96909436What the fuck? Thats it? How the hell are you meant to actually make your own deck like that? Am I really stuck with the shitty starting decks for however many weeks it takes to grind this RNG bullshit?
>>96909432I'm saying.Standard is a clusterfuck and there's literally no on-ramp. You couldn't do set constructed back in the day because sets weren't always designed as standalone products, but now they are, so. I think set (or set + FDN) constructed makes a lot of sense now
>>96909483Arena has had probably the worst of all digital tcg economies, arguably even worse than MTGO. If you don't draft, you aren't getting shit in that game. Cedric Phillips was talking one time about how he decided to grind the fuck out of arena and get to the top bracket, and he had less available cards after than his exclusively draft playing friend. He couldn't make a new deck even if he wanted to.
>>96909483
>>96909483yeahif you don't like it, you can spend money on it (but I wouldn't recommend it)arena exists for people who don't mind grinding
>>96909483NtaYou should spend first 1 year worth of rares to get your rare lands, shock and pain lands.But yes, next year we have 7 sets so Arena players get fucked because the economy is the same it was 5 years ago when we had 4 sets
>>96909483you're supposed to pay $30+ per deck like a good little piggy unless you've spent dozens of hours breaking even or better in Draft.but yknow you could work three hours at minimum wage and achieve the same much faster.it's very bad f2p compared to other video games but you literally can't f2p magic irl so it depends on your point of comparison I suppose.
>>96909483On the bright side starter deck duel is actually a fun little closed-off meta on its own. I play it for the hell of it from time to time.
>>96909549>but you literally can't f2p magic irl
>>96909497>>96909500>>96909507>>96909507Holy fucking shit, how does anyone play this abomination of a game? I just want to make a shitty cat deck. How the fuck do you manage to make a worse TCG sim than master duel FUCK I AM MAD
>>96909557okay well other than proxies but officially you're not supposed to use those at sanctioned events.whereas you can win a real booster box while f2p'ing Arena if you're either really good at Sealed or sufficiently lucky.
>>96909549What is draft? My only options right now are spark ranked and starter deck event.
Presumably the last ascension.
>>96909557A printer that you can print passable proxies on isn't free, neither is paying a chinaman. The only way you can do it irl for free enough is sharpies on basic lands at the kitchen table.
>>96909583Mostly people play draft or they metafag by copying decks. But you're right, there isn't a lot of customer interest when it comes to arena, it's pretty niche. Draft is pretty fun
>>96909595I think you need to progress through the tutorial (or skip it) before you can play limited formats like Draft and Sealed.
>>96909604Thanks
>>96908653This'll go great with my Bearscape in my mono-green bears deck.
>>96908725The main point of Jumpstart is for MtG to (for some reason) larp as a Smash Up clone for a day or two before the half decks are inevitably cannibalized for edh decks.>>96909410Duel decks (and other 60 card precons) were a great way to get into the game when those existed.
>>96909708smash up clone mtg is pretty fun, though...
>>96909741I enjoy making my own half decks. Kinda like cube building.
>>96909760post some?
>>96909109>etb creep is so bad that Stifle is now one of the best removal pieces in Modern because the body is irrelevantGoyf would be crying
>>96909864my historic deck on arena runs 4 copies of hushbringer lol hits both etb bullshit and aristocrats, 10/10 card for dealing with 2025 creature design
>>96909583Isn't one of the starter decks cat themed? Just use that for a bit.
>>96909583It's because paper players are even more cucked. You need to drop like $200+ to get a real deck if you want to play at a legit event.
>>96908170>is clearly a land>it's a creature for some reason
>Beat myself up for not buying Cornelia back when it was $8, especially after I decided to build a 4-color standard deck>It's back down to $10...Still feels like a waste until I know whether or not we're getting a 5-color changeling commanderslop lord in the main set.
>>96906744>Holy shit wtf is this art?OG Kamigawa Kami snuffing and trying to r*pe the grandfather of a little girl.
>>96910133>Lo and LiToT
>>96910133Too bad it’s not their Ember Island getup.
>>96909597Meh. You can get it down earlier than Enduring Curiosity, but it's probably gonna come online around the same time.
>>96910133>the card depicts 2 advisors both in name, flavor and art>effect only triggers once for them
>>96910133New commander Advisor!
>>96907084When a card refers to itself on text it is the same as [This card]. When you change zones with a card each time it changes zones it is treated as a new card with no "memory of what it has done" in other zones.That is why creatures loses counters when they go to the graveyard or exile (except for that one shitter from og commander)This is the same as "as long as [this card] is on the battlefield", so why you understand you can't Sower of Temptation infinitely but you think you can blink cute asian girl to put your opponent into submission.>>96907118yep that shit is broken. Glad it is commander shit.>>96907125except it got powercreeped into oblivion by just two extra mana.>>96907181Honestly good art. I wouldn't be mad seeing it being played across the table.>>96907396who?>>96907479Somewhat good to be honest. If she was in the draft packs I would probably just draft her.>>96908034>>96908079Honestly I m surprised she isn't broken>>96908164>>96908170oh there is no meme on mtg
>>96908195>red gets mana tripler for 4>green gets it for 6 and a bunch of additional hoops
>>96910395tripler?
>>96910500>play 2 spells>spend real mana on activated abilities
>>96910500>tripler?yes, you get 3x as much mana to spend since you can play two cards costing as much as your land count, and then spend your actual mana on activated abilities or equipment or whatever. The restriction is ONLY on casting spells, any non-spell use of mana is allowed.
>>96908949Zuko firebending master starts with 0 firebending, forever locked at 2 attackvsRandom frebending student starts with 1 firebending and gets stronger out of nowhereDamn the designers of this set were retarded.
>>96909238>events at local store not being commanderyou play jewrena for standard anon
>>96910558the "endgame" zuko grows infinitely with +1/+1 counters and also gets firebending X to match. also firebending student is only Prowess so the growth disappears at end of turn.
>>96909708>>96909760This is how i mainly play magic nowdays. We vote on a set, then we make 2 color decks of 40 cards each. No more than 3 rares, no more than 9 uncommons. You can have up to 3 copies of any one card. One and only one of your rares may be a mythic rare. All other rules apply.It makes for some quick and dirty decks and allows us to play magic in a 4, 3, or 2 man bracket very quickly. Powerlevel is like sealed or a little better.
>>96909077they'd need to stop making 50 sets a year for this to work and that would make hasbro less money
>>96910395I really enjoyed when this and yorion were in standard, having 15 mana on turn 5 was something.
>>96910601>they'd need to stop making 50 sets a year for this to workwould they, though?
>>96903231Wait. What the fuck is that tech looking thing supposed to be around the back of his head?What fucking set is this?
>>96910693that's duskmourn, the haunted house set. the art is nezumi though who's from kamigawa, the tech shit is some cyberpunk implant or whatever. the whole deal with duskmourn is that it kidnaps shit from other planes like ravenloft in D&D
>>96910693LEAVENOWONLY SUFFERING AWAITS YOU DOWN THIS PATH
>>96910693remember kamigawa being a feudal japanese mythology set? wotc didn't
New thread>>96910780>>96910780>>96910780
>>96909604I made this and managed to get through the spark rankings. I have access to the jump in events now but I don't see anything else so I'm assuming I still have to unlock it all.
>>96907354So?
>>96908164>joo dee>judenBRÄH
