Emptiness Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-june-30-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>96924344>TQHow do you feel about MtG these days? Post a card that represents this.
anyone ever find this player or did wotc scam me with a bot
Kids collectors and retards are gorging on slop and I’m here alone reminiscing about the good old days of Invasion block through original Ravnica block and how magical it used to be. Take me back to Gustcloak soldiers and the battle for the Mirari and FTK and using a Riptide Shapeshifter to fetch my Akroma out on turn 6.
>>96932545I am 25 I started mtg after corona I bought a case of avatar collector and will buy hobbit and star trek. I like UB. Boomers like you wont be around for much longer. How old are you 50? Old people cried out loud and were afraid of new invention as the toaster. You will get used to it. In univese is full of ugly black fat woman so its beter that way.
>>96932994You’re not buying Magic, you’re whoring yourself out for Funko Pops on cardboard. And when you finally get bored of this version of Funko collecting you’ll move on to the next corporate fad the kikes tell you to buy and scalp. You’re nothing but a tool to them and their quarterly earnings reports.
>>96932994>PicYou know there's commander players right now that unironically think this card will be OP
>>96932261>tqThis card symbolizes my weariness and how I require repose in order rejuvenate my conviction and passion.
>TQAbsolute slop. I'm disgusted by everything I see. Everything in the last couple of years is exclusively designed for pigs.
>The nondealer can now look at their cards and decide if they are happy with the hand they were dealt. If not, then they may make a proposal. If the dealer accepts both players may discard any cards, they are unhappy with and get redealt cards to form their hands up to 5 cards gain. This can be redone as many times as both players agree. Once a player is happy with their hand or if the dealer refuses the proposal or the nondealer never makes a proposal the game begins. Ecarte already solved mulligans 300 years ago, the developers at Wizards are so dumb they can't even steal rules to make Magic good
How is this okay?
>>96933675it's not, the next b&r is 3 days away
playpremodern
>>96933675cashing in Vivi before it rotates
>>96932994You joke, but I do see this argument used unironically.>dude your old lmao this is for us hip youth!>Star Trek, TMNT, Avatar, and etcYeah, I wonder what the age of people that like those properties are.
>99% of white knights are either black or a woman Holy fucking shit, this is ridiculous.
>>96934217just like how all paladins in video games are blackSame crowd running both
Anyone play Value Vintage? A few of our playgroup picked up some decks to mess around with
>>96932261>TQ>Post a card that represents this.It feels like the more I engage with Magic, the more it seems like the game has degraded over time due to constant design shifts from the 2010s onward. The color pie means basically nothing outside generalities at this point and no one seems to really care about what was lost. It feels like we're just paralleling everything that's happened with progressivism and it makes me feel like nothing I enjoy can be detached from politics.>>96933675They made a promise to competitive players, that means they need to let the format cut itself for several months until custody can be reassessed.>>96934045I've seen it a lot online too, not so much in-person. Reminds me of how some of the most highly-rated and "beloved" movies from 70s and 80s properties are from the past decade, even though most movies after the 2000s have been shit.
>>96934217>333 cards where the card types include “knight” and the colors ≥ W>59 cards where the card types include “knight” and the colors ≥ W and the illustration contains “person-of-color”>119 cards where the card types include “knight” and the colors ≥ W and the illustration contains “female”
>>96934277I'm looking at the standard selection in arena.
>>96934217they're doing this to 40k, warhammer and battletech too btw. Same artists and designers from Wizards of the Coast and MTG.
>>96934277So 53-54%.
>>96934394It's not the artists who do this. It's the art director. You can find portfolios of artists who are full of normal stuff and then their mtg stuff will be fat, color haired lgbtq+ knight on a wheelchair
More 3 kingdoms reprints.
>>96934432This. Didn't someone post the prompt for the Simic fat retard looking kid with the colored hair?
>>96934463>no corrupt eunuch reprintCommandersisters ... we are farmished
>>96934370>38 cards where it’s legal in Standard and the card types include “knight” and the colors ≥ W>21 cards where it’s legal in Standard and the card types include “knight” and the colors ≥ W and (the illustration contains “person-of-color” or the illustration contains “female”)I guess scryfall assumes luxknights are all black lol
>>96934370>38 cards where the card types include “knight” and the colors ≥ W and it’s legal in Standard>11 cards where the card types include “knight” and the colors ≥ W and the illustration contains “person-of-color” and it’s legal in Standard>14 cards where the card types include “knight” and the colors ≥ W and the illustration contains “female” and it’s legal in Standard
>>96934508Code Geass is the only other property with corrupt Eunuchs.
>>96934586All translations use the feminine gender plus the Sothera system cuisine is based on Ethiopia's.
>>96934703Do not base your world view on conjectures.
>>96934703Ok, but we clearly have male knights.
>>96934718>conjecturesI do not know the Knights' race but the central is definitely since her breastplates are larger than the other knights.
the luxknights are based on wakanda they even have a story character legendary and yes she's black
>>96933276>In the right deck.Nobody thinks this is universally good. But in the right deck it will be worth its mana even if you don't cheat it out.
>>96934749Based on the language Luxknight Breacher isn't supposed to represent all Luxknight but rather one. The name only refers to one person if it would refer to multiple it would be Luxknight Breachers. If it would refer to all Luxknights it would be Breeching Luxknights.
>>96932994>wont be around much longerYeah 4 long decades left at leastLol dumbass
>>96935475Finally, a reason to ban Island.
>>96932994I can smell an ironic shitpoating but still i will bite. Maybe you are so invested in ATLA but I’m damn sure a “young” faggot like you knows nothing about Star Trek or isn’t even into capeshit and that’s the problem of selling your IP to every single fucking product out there you can catch some retards like you but those are not loyal customers see FF, they are chasing that dragon, Spidernan was not even close being a failure, we will see ATLA but i don’t think this western weeb trash achieve such levels of attention but they will keep trying now we have more UB sets next year than actual Magic trying to Carter the lowest common denominator will slowly but surely destroy your actual customer base for the sake of temporary retards.
>>96935475eluge bros
>>96936573>no evasion no protection
>>96936618Yes?
>>96936573Nice>>96936618Yes, you actually have to play the game
>>96936634>Yes, you actually have to play the gamelmao this is the age of Vivi
>>96933675none of these are commander, the real format that wizards/players care aboutyou must be confused
Does the average player have flip-card-fatigue yet? I feel like they do flip-cards in every single set now. It's so fucking bad.
>>96936875some pro who won a modern tournament recently practically cheated by putting the wrong side of a flip card into play and his excuse was "flip cards conditioned us into this"
>1 mana draw 2Why would they do this?
It took most of my wildcards but my cat deck seems to be pretty good now. Thanks for the advice last thread.
>>96936984they want to push bouncing your own stuff even harder, gush will eventually get reprinted in standard
I don't care if it's AI generated art. Just give me cool cards.
>>96932261>TQPic related. The game is so fractured it's fucked. It's trying to be everything to everyone. EDH, MTGA, limited, standard, and it's shattering before our eyes.
>>96936984>lessonIt's actually a 1 mana draw 3
>>96937070unless they print a 0 mana learn card, it's at least 2 mana total
>>96936984>this was meant to exist in the same standard as Hopeless Nightmare
Alright I think I successfully made it less janky.
>>96937022Gush is KINO. UB slop nu-card is trash. >>96936984Because they're trying to force esper pixie into the format thinking that this will somehow save standard when they have yet to do anything about Vivi, Cauldron, any of the cancer in RDW, and Kaito.
>>96937003Holy shit guarded by ghosts is an absurdly good card
Jesus christ why am I suddenly the bad guy for Counterspelling ONCE in 3 games, but god forbid the combo player not have fun.
>>96932545>the Mirarihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ad695DyOsjE
>>96937319welcome to Standard power level in 2025 lol
lol
>>96937972>Don't want to buy cards from TCGplayer due to the lack of quality assurance, especially for expensive cards>LGS has only one, maybe two, copies I need a playset of, and they're usually $5+ more than versions on TCGplayer>Same thing for most websites online, Card Kingdom in particular sells some of their standard-legal cards for $10-$15 more than what everyone else is selling them for, because it saw play in a major tournament at one pointThe people managing eBay are fucking obnoxious, but this website is the only way to get cheap copies of the cards I need without Chinese proxies.
I'm going to build a 540 card powered cube. Planning on just printing on cardstock and gluesticking to basic lands and then sleeve them. Anybody have any tips or have done this ghetto way before?
>>96938081I know a guy in China who prints any card image you want for 0.6rmb each. He's on holiday at the moment but will be back on the 13th or so. You'd have to pay shipping and transfer fees too, obviously.
>>96936984what the everloving fucking broken ass shit is this fucking card
>>96937264Obligatory reminder that RDW only has a high play rate because of how easy it is to access and play.The actual meta share is around 75% Vivi once you correct for winrates at higher levels of play.
>>96937081>unless they print a 0 mana learn card,There are no Learn cards in TLA.
>>96935475>2 mana Phyrexian Arena but it doesn't cost you life, and gets you a card the turn you play it>>>>UncommonLimited in this set is going to be so fucking shit lmao.
>>96933675It isn't.They don't care.
>>96935475I'm sure blue decks won't abuse this
>>96932994MtG ~ the Fortnite of card games. Go buy a labubu
>>96938307The very first expansion set for mtg was like universes beyond: Arabian Nights
>>96932994>In univese is full of ugly black fat womanby design so they can cull it due to low sales
>>96938331get a new argument that hasn't been obliterated dozen times already
>>96938162anon didn't say it would beyou know we're going to strixhaven soon, right
>>96938344
>>96934277>≥ WNo anon WHITE knight cards, so = W not >= W. Fix ur search terms.
>>96936984>boomerang>nonland permanentmother fuckers they really are too soft to print ANY land interaction in a set where lands becoming creatures is a key mechanic.
>play Premodern>new players in my area flooding into my deck at the monthliesNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>96938361if you refuse to even look back at past discussions about it that's not my problem
>card gets a reprint with fantastic art but hideous frameSee also: Nielsen's Mother of Runes
>>96938536yeah cuz it's 1 mana and also draws you a card if you pick up your own
What's the best guide for authenticating cards?
>>96938660my point is they shouldve just reprinted the old Boomerang which costs UU and bounces any permanent to hand, including lands.
how does my zhao or something that makes nobasics come in tapped interact if opponent has spelunking that makes them come untapped
Will they ever get shadow-unbanned?
>>96939213at most in casual commander by player house rules. idk what else you could mean
you now remember izzet turns
>>96938081Cheap but black and white: Thermal printer (cat printer) on sticker paper.>>96938081>0.6rmbGood price. For a big order I'd go with that.
>>96935475This is the kind of power level I wish Standard was at
>>96938173It's maybe alright in limited depending on the rest of the deck, I wouldn't even call it good.
>>96938173Nah, getting mired down in earthbending land wars vs 1/1 ally tokens is where the limited in this set is really going to go to hell.
>>96932994weak bait
>>96934217thankfully Final Fantasy doesn't do that
You got hired by wizards, your job is to purge all the shitters making flat women and ugly niggers, you have to do it without making a PR mess, whats your plan anon?
>>96939763Battle Royale
But I don't mind flat women.
>>96939763my assumption is that nobody needs to get fired really and it's mostly a matter of art direction.if the art description sent to the artist by the company says "beautiful lady, pretty face, sexy outfit, alluring pose", then there are artists who will draw that, yes even in 2025. and then you can just fire the ones who refuse. OR if they happen to be good artists nonetheless, you can keep them aboard but stop assigning them artwork that you want to contain pretty women or whatever.
Giddily awaiting to see how they fuck up on Monday.
>>96933289you need four swords to rejuvenate your passion? yeah that game is pretty cool i guess
How do you deal with decks spamming removal cards? I've run into multiple mill decks the past two days.
>>96940053I scoop.
>>96940053Hand hate, indestructible and hexproof
>>96939088>616. Interaction of Replacement and/or Prevention Effects 616.1. If two or more replacement and/or prevention effects are attempting to modify the way an event affects an object or player, the affected object’s controller (or its owner if it has no controller) or the affected player chooses one to apply, following the steps listed below. If two or more players have to make these choices at the same time, choices are made in APNAP order (see rule 101.4).so they choose to apply their "enters untapped" effect after everything your effects might do. Or i think that's how it goes, i'm not a judge
>>96940053just run more threats than they have removalnow, with that kind of configuration you'll need to be careful of board wipes, and to do that you keep some threats in hand if you already have one or two in play, you can win at medium speed, no need to rush and lose 4 cards to 1 card.
>>96940053Ive run into the exact same decks like clockwork for a while now with each one running the same cards.>red burn>blue mill>black demon >W/B lifegainAnd almost nothing else.I would say they're bots if I didn't know better.
>>96940102Blue White mill I mean
>>96940053cards that go 2-for-1pure draw spells, like Quick Study repeatable / mass reanimation, like Raise the Past Creatures that get value when entering or exiting the battlefield, like Beza creatures that don't leave the battlefield when they die, like Unstoppable Slasher or the Enduring glimmers ...or just play rdw which is fast enough to kill even decks that have a ton of removal
>>96936469honestly how much of an overlap is there with star trek and magic players? are they just randomly grabbing any "nerd shit" ip that will work with them?
>>96940196
>>96940196There's bound to be some, me included. But I don't want Star Trek in Magic.
>>96940204to explain this further since I googled and can't find literally any articles about it (??? was this ever announced? I legitimately can't remember where I read this)MtG is clearly in the process of some kind of long-term collab with Paramount. SpongeBob, Transformers, Avatar, TMNT, and Star Trek are all owned by Paramount. One supposes that in the future we might be subject to a Titanic secret lair, or a Comedy Central standard set featuring Larry the Cable Guy as a chase mythic.
>>96940053>How do you deal with decks spamming removal cards?Uh, git gud? Lol. A well built aggro deck should be able to go under control most of the time. You also won't beat every deck with every other deck. If you're trying to play something kinda midrangey, you should expect to lose to those decks a lot.
>>96939763So you want to purge the entire company?
>>96940204charmed and My Life as a Teenage Robot secret lair when?
>>96940280I have images of Star Trek mock ups from 5 years ago that were leaked during covid.
He said, not posting them.
>>96940329post them?
>>96940329you don't have them, if you had them you'd post them but you didn't so you don't have them
If star trek does well, star wars is inevitable
>>96940459it wasn't supposed to be a fucking checklist
>>96940459Not as long as Star Wars has its own CCG
>>96940280Let's be honest, he probably wouldn't be a mythic mainly because of how his jokes were back then
>>96940490Marvel has its own CCG, no?
>>96938536Meteor Sword can destroy lands.
>>96940366>>96940388I did 5 years ago. They were an imgur leak. Shame you weren't working for WotC when it happened.
>>96940534Not currently?
>>96939213This might be the only context where I've seen people address gypsy. That slur is still socially acceptable.
>>96940587Well just a CG.
>>96940459i dont think star trek is going to do well you dont really see a lot of people hype for it
>>96940568Honestly, it's kind of funny that people are worrying about Meteor Sword when Argentum Armor is already there. Sure, equip cost is 6, but that can be easily circumvented
>>96940091that seems to be the case. lame, I'd rather take timestamps than let my opponent choose replacements how they want
>>96938173It costs 3 mana to activate assuming you drop it turn 2 and are playing monoblue. Phyrexian Arena just costs you 1 life.
>>96940631Argentum Armor is not in Standard, but I don't think Meteor Sword will get up to much land destruction either. Earthbend protects against land destruction.
I'm very much looking forward to the TMNT set. I hope they deliver on that set, since there is unironically a lot that could be done with it to make it good. I also just think it might end up being a dumpster fire similar to Spider-Man, though at least I think TMNT will at the very least not feel nearly as "small" by having almost everything be a legendary creature or related to a legendary creature.Also looking forward to Lorwyn Eclipsed though, from what we've seen, looks dope
>>96940467How we could ignore such clear prophecy? Also the fact we are so close to this being 100 complete is hilarious and depressing equally
My beloved wife.
>>96940792YEAH FELLOW UB ENJOYER!TURTLES FOREVER!! ONE PACK=ONE TURTLE!!!
>>96940845Dumb bitch isn't holding the axe properly.
>>96940792The Turtles set is already looking like complete shit, anon.
>>96940878god every single time i see a tmnt card or someone reminds me that shit is coming i wish it all was just a nightmare of mine…
>>96940792shill
>>96940946Shill doesn't mean what you think it means.
>>96940792
>>96940467remember when this comic defended trannies in mtg because>muh fictional characters have feelings too and are real in my mind? I do.
>>96940976Someone can be right about one thing and wrong about something else.See also: tolarian community college
>>96940919I’ve already moved on to D&D because it’s one game that corporate kikes can’t force anything I don’t like. Oh this book has settings where JOTC rewrote the Norse Viking world to be 80% niggers? Now I say it’s a true Caucasian Nordic realm where the only black skin is the charred burnt remains of darkie invaders. Crossover slopverse that mixes ninja turtles and Star Trek? Not in my verse. Here we have actual swords and sorcery and beautiful angels fighting demonic sorcerers and cultists. Genies and scimitars and windswept dunes devoid of hook nosed shekel suckers.
>>96940102Holy shit you're right. I just played 5 games and two were green Tifa landfall decks, a W/B mill deck, and then a red burn deck. Are these actually bots is is everyone really playing the same 5 decks?
>>96941024yes
Will people hate me if I play UR Prowess?
>>96941269Yes.
>>96940990"No!"I can tolerate many things but TCC complaining about UBslop while simultaneously admitting he bought about half of them is over the line
>>96941330The Dr. Who Fiery Islet is 0.50 cents because Dr. Who is gay and cringe. UB sucks.
>>96941269they are banning that the day after tomorrow tho
I hear Prowess players are gay and worship Satan.
Coming soon...Universes Beyond: magic the gathering
EX-FUCKING-SCUSE ME!?
>>96941423Whenever you're not sure about the root cause of something going on in modern MtG, the answer is commander.
>>96941439You can buy Wishclaw for $4 he just found some weird money laundering listing
>>96941423works on my machine
>Magic collabs with Ninja Turtles>Meanwhile the Pokémon TCG...
>>96941466>thing:(>thing, japan:D
>>96941466How awful.
>>96941477Any time there's an anime Magic card it sells like hotcakes, who are you fooling?
>>96941466sorry i'm only attracted to kithkin
>Swiftspear used to be one of the few true MtG waifus>now everyone hates prowessWhat happened?
>>96941485I'm not trying to fool anything, what you said is exactly what I'm saying. People will cry about UB and then turn around and support UB when they personally like that specific media.
>>96941512I like when UB puts hot bitches in the game
>>96941512has there been a ub anime? i thought it was all just alt arts from kamigawa
>>96932261>TQAccording to the logical rule of consumption, only shit plays shit.
>>96941534Final Fantasy is basically anime.
>>96940792I just realized how terribly I worded that last part. That was definitely meant to be something along the lines of that TMNT won't feel as "small" because there shouldn't be as many legendary creatures and/or things directly related to legendary creatures like Spider-Man had (think stuff like Venomized Cat, Kraven's Cats or even Daily Bugle Reporters)
>>96941538There's no logic in this statement.
>>96939757>EyeshadowTranny character from the most overrated FF game
>>96940280>TransformersThis is a Hasbro IP, who owns WotC. You're probably not wrong about the Paramount thing but let's at least keep things accurate
>>96934508WotC will not reprint those. Eunuchs? How dare you say chinese royalty cut off the pp of other man?(well, if they do Game of Thrones then I guess they might reprint it)(with slave traders being white and all)>>96936629>no evasionDude, she is at least dealing 2 damage each turn and also deathtouch is psychological evasion.>>96938361Such a shame that the only card we have for Bo Levar is a fucking fake arena card.>>96940878I enjoy it. Will buy that waste of money!(Damn the captcha was hard)
>>96941791Psychological evasion from casting removal?
>>96941748Honestly, I'm surprised they never did more Transformers cards
Last night I played High powered draft on MTG Arena, and I had fun. One of my favourite things to force is forcing green. Early ramp into a backbreaker like Questing Beast, or Elder Gargoroth, or Channeling into a big Eldrazi are some of my favourite things. I even got a Black Lotus in my draft. Let's fucking go. I miss Green being a strong colour.
>>96941975I miss white being a part of the game
>>96942043I miss blue being the undeniable best color
>>96942053>i miss cancer instead of AIDS
why are we all pretending like the avatar set is good? did wotc come up with a new marketing scheme?
>>96941861I'm surprised too. You'd expect they'd get a full set instead of being awkwardly being tacked onto one. You could even include Combiner teams.
>>96942073there's like 4 girls that aren't horrifically ugly so people are gooningi don't think i've seen anyone discuss the mechanics at all since the initial reveal
>You are a planeswalker.When you play Magic, you are a planeswalker locked in magical combat against another of your kind. Is it a battle over territory? An old grudge? A struggle for control of the Plane of Fudge and Bunnies? That's for you to decide.Are we still the planeswalker or has this been retconned?
Magic needs more freckles
>>96942112We still are but we retained our old powers with new walkers losing most of them.
Are you going to engage with Standard format after the bans? I think my 'routine' with Magic is going to be to play Brawl format for MTGA dailies, then once a week play a free-to-play draft.I am wondering if Standard will be good enough to be my 'dailies grind' format.
>>96942172I have never played a sanctioned event and I never will
>>96942112You are who you pretend to be.
>>96942159How does Planeswalker Urza fit into this? Wasnt he an oldwalker who never got a card because he was too powerful?>>96942196those are cards. i'm too powerful to be a card.
>>96942076>include Combiner teamsEh...I don't think they really could have done that if they were both flip and meld cards. Sure, it could just be like your example, but they probably couldn't balance it right
>>96938660but yeah, nu-WotC doesn't allow for any land interaction except to make them creatures
I will interact with your lands.
>>96942270nah I'll just draw 2 cards instead
>>96942208The same way planeswalker cards do, you are calling upon a fellow walker to help you kick your enemy's ass.
>>96942208They've changed their mind on this because it was retarded. Elder Dragons had cards, gods had cards, the collapse of a plane and the nuking of a continent had cards. No reason PWs couldn't get theirs.
Guys you have to read the Magic manga this is so kino
>>96940596I’m excited for Star Trek. Not because I’m going to actually buy the set but because I’ll get to play it on mtg forge against bots while I’m “working”
>>96942419The actual plot is kind of stupid. The stuff around the main girl having to go away with her dad because... she didn't get the exactly top grade exactly once was retarded and most of the characters outside of the core group in the LGS are dumb as fuck.That said, it's fun to have actual matches of Magic with all these old decks. They really should have just made an Yugioh-esque anime where we can just have characters playing the game at some point, imagine shit like the fail to find Frank Karsten pulled at Worlds 2005
>>96938536The future of Magic is going to shift from izzet prowess to gruul aggro land animation. If you remove the lands in any way they get an ltb that burns you for 5 then they return to the battlefield.
>>96942419Don't care for the non-Magic drama in this series.
>>96942459Eh asian tiger parents are a real thing, it felt a little contrived but not enough to ruin the whole thing.Overall i thought the romance was actually pretty cute and added some good stakes to the duels, especially the one against his combofag friend.
>>96942475Well none of these Earthbending cards have any chance of being competitive, hell, they don't even cut it for Pauper. And I doubt Lorwyn, Strixhaven, Star Trek, Hobbit or TMNT are going to have any real land animation in them.
>>96942085>Nobody discusses the mechanicsWell here is my attempt>Fire bendingIt’s kind of interesting. Free mana for abilities or instants. With something like lightning strike it feels pretty flavourful. It’s fine.>AirbendingMore flicker…yay can’t wait. This one slightly different to webslinging etc.>EarthbendingI guess Nissa was an earth bender then. They chickened out on your lands actually dying though so it feels like quite an asspull.>WaterbendingI don’t see how this is waterbending. It’s just convoke with artifacts too. Also wtf does “help” mean is that a term that’s been defined in the rules?Gonna be a trash set but at least the woman don’t look like men. Guess the standards of mtg really have gotten that low.
>>96942507"help" has been in the reminder text for convoke since m15
>earthbending as its own archetypeYawn!>earthbending in my recursive landfall deck Ludo.
>>96942507>guess Nissa was an earth bender then.I mean basically yeah
>>96942522Was it defined in the rules back then? It still only proves my point that more or less convoke. I don’t see how waterbending is convoking. I don’t really know what else to make it honestly avatar seems like a bad match for mtg in general.>4 bending powers>5 colorsJust doesn’t really work
>>96942551Reminder text isn't rule text.
>>96942419It started out strong, but it got bogged down as it went on. It's also not really a Magic manga, it's more a romcom that bakes in a lot of nostalgia from that time period. There's a apparently a ton of references to Japanese pop culture from that era.
>>96943071Sorry I meant to post this in the special needs thread.
>>96942507Here is the real discussion - firebending isn't on any creatures that matter (no, the trainee isn't thst great. Earthbending they played extremely safe. The only card less than 4mv of any note is the 1G badger. All other sources cost too much.
star trek will flop, they'll just print le spock and le kirk cards from 60 years ago and nu version of them with no actual decent shit like data, worf, ryker, q and shitthen wotc dies cause everyone is sick of ub and 2026 sales were nonexistent outside of pigs and scalpersthe end, now i'm going back to playing cm while the oinkers unironically talk about atla slop
>>96943120Star Trek will, judging by FF, focus mostly on the most iconic parts of Star Trek (TOS and TNG, with DS9 getting a distant third and Voyager fourth, then a smattering of everything else) so we'll probably get all of the TNG crew and... I think most of the original crew but I can see them leaving somebody out.
>>96943105Azula is insane tho
>>96943120all this slop us late millennials grew up with make total sense to meavatar, turtles, fallout - all shit we grew up withstar trek seems so gay and culturally irrelevant I really do believe the theory paramount forced a deal that included multiple ips, and 'following the ((data))', reluctantly chose it as one of their 'top' ips
>>96943171Berman-era star trek is peak millennial slop, what are you smoking?
>>96943105>no, the trainee isn't thst great.Being a red prowess creature with upside is enough to make it decent at least
If I use a Solar Array to give sunburst to Crystaline Crawler will it enter with double +1/+1 counters on it for each color or does one effect replace the other?
>>96943171idk star trek tng was big as a nostalgia thing with the reddit/tumblr-type nerds back when avatar and fallout 3 were relevant
>>96943227It doubles. If sunburst can be triggered twice, then converge and sunburst can add onto each other
>>96943236Wait Sunburst can trigger twice? So if I use solar array on a thing with sunburst it doubles? I've been assuming that it only happened once. Fuck I've been playing my cards wrong for two months.
>>96943171it's all garbagethey can't even put out decent crap like chip n dale so i can play with my waifu gadgetor had an actual sonic set, i mean the chaos emeralds are right there it's pure slop to be reskinned with zero effortor a sailor moon set, instead it's just this pig feed
>Zoomie's attention span is this fried
I honestly thought tripfag was banned for avatar posting since they use the same 4 images over and over.
>>96937154I like it. Rat kobolds are neat.
>>96943253That's correct. I looked into it after getting the Kilo commander out of curiosity, and that's apparently the ruling. Granted, it's two separate instances rather than cumulative, like toxic, but still
>>96943305Ruling 702.43d. If an object has multiple instances of sunburst, each one works separately.
Avatar will be so good, many modern meta defining cards
>>96942270>An opponent controlsUnlucky. It'd be pretty cool to blast your own stuff for a bit of ramp.
>>96943330>modern meta>avatarthere are actually 0
>>96943330There's a 2-drop that instakills you?
>>96943351Cope. There are still collector boxes available for only ä $580, buy before they shoot ip to 700
>>96943255Your waifu gadget got porked by a fucking fly, dude.
>>96943384Yes.
>>96933276Wall commander players don't care about power they just think it's funny to beat someone to death with a giant ass.
>>96943330This is a mascetomouse general, buddy. Keep those honkers hidden.
>>96943640Loot. His head is too big. Not cute.
>>96943438bzzzzt your point bzzzzt bzzzzt
>>96943492I mean, are they wrong; at least the first time it happens?
>>96943640Its from a kids cartoon. Her tits are therefore to pass.
>>96941748right, yeah. Paramount did the Transformers movies which is why I got that backwards I guess you could say the two companies have been friendly to each other for a while now.
Magic would function better if Instants were downgraded to a Flash sorcery subtype, and all references to Sorceries were errata'd to non-instant sorceries.
>>96944204Or we don't change anything because all it would do is end up changing the names of cards.
>>96944204What could possess a man to think this
>>96944204maybe you could argue it would look nicer but what about it would function better
>>96944204Make every Sorcery an Instant instead, that sounds more FIRE.
>>96941975>>96942043>>96942053>>96942061>We have to make red stronger because it's the weakest color in commander.
>>96944261Emphasis and increased utilization of subtyping outside of non-permanents.It's something that WotC has clearly experimented with more over time with both omens and adventures.
>>96944252Not the first time that's happened. Plenty of types and super types have been errata 'd for simplicity over the years, including but not limited to legendaries, mono, global, local, and interrupt.
>>96944319>errata 'd for simplicity This only applies to interrupt and just denoting a tap symbol on artifact abilities rather than listing "mono">global, localReplaced with "enchantment" and "aura" so the only thing that changed is the name. > legendaries"Summon Legend" was just replaced with "Legendary Creature" which changed nothing at all about how the card worked. It's pretty much just a change in formatting in that card type line. Likewise, there's no point doing a "flash sorcery" when "instant" is more than adequate.
>>96944270That... undeniably sounds like something they would do. Aggro is heavily penalized in multiplayer, so they buff the hell out of it not caring about the consequences on the other formats.
>>96944468Penalized? I just aggro out, taking one player with me before scooping. That was my game plan all along.
MTG is so dead that their oficial twitch channel have people pretending to play D&D while they chat.
>>96944467>Replaced with "enchantment" and "aura" so the only thing that changed is the name.You're grossly underselling just how functionally different auras are from non-aura enchantments.The rules in how they operate are so significantly different that you could easily argue that Aura should have remained a type instead of becoming a subtype.On the other hand, a sorcery with flash is functionally identical to an instant in just about every case single case where a card doesn't care about the type. And the cases where it cares about types, it's just because you're using delirium effects where type matters because it matters.
>>96944502global and local were never types
>>96944501>double digit viewers
>>96944511Yeah, and you're missing what I'm getting at.I'm saying that even early on, there was a gross mechanical separation between aura and non-aura enchantments that's even greater than the difference between instants and sorceries. And even then, they still managed to reduce it to a subtype that, mind you, still requires additional keywords.
>>96944204Actually, MaRo proposed something pretty close to this when asked what change he would make if he could redo the game from scratch. He said he'd make Instant a *supertype* to replace Flash as a concept, with instant creatures, instant enchantments and so on.
>>96944537>early on, there was a gross mechanical separation between aura and non-aura enchantments that's even greater than the difference between instants and sorceriesNot really? The difference is "attaches to a target" and "doesn't do that." The difference between instants and sorceries is whether or not they can be played at instant speed, which is a much larger change.
>>96944578>He said he'd make Instant a *supertype* to replace Flash as a concept, with instant creatures, instant enchantments and so onHonestly, I would have been fine with Instant Creatures. But since we have flash, I'd be happier going the opposite direction.
>>96937154I wish that whoever came up with the gay rat spam would go away
>>96944204Errataing literally thousands of cards would not make Magic function much better
>>96944584>The difference is "attaches to a target" and "doesn't do that." This is a huge difference. Again, you're grossly underselling the impact that the Attach mechanic has on the rules of the game and how it operates, where was "Instant Speed" is a concept that exist universally across cards with abilities to the extent that they have to indicate when abilities aren't instant speed.
>>96944598In the long-term it would. Best time to plant a tree is 20 years ago, second best time is now.
>>96944592The issue is that nobody actually wants to errata every instant in the game into a Sorcery type and have a solid 20% of every card printed in the game's history have the text on it wrong.And for what? For no actual gain at all. The system as it is works.
>>96944618If you don't *need* a tree and would have to remove your backyard's floor to plant one, you are perfectly capable of not planting one.
>>96938331Yes, and then they went 25 years without doing that, dipshit. You shit your pants when you were a baby, but you've gone thirteen entire years since then without doing it. So if you pooped yourself, would the people in your life be surprised?
>>96944645this is so fucking stupid and the best metaphor of all time lol
>>96944606Anon, the aura errata was many many years ago and for a much smaller game. There is no real reason to do an errata that's significantly more far-reaching now when there are tens of thousands of cards to go through. At best it'd make the game's rulebook slightly clearer going forward, which would not compensate for the massive confusion of 3.500 cards receiving errata.
>>96944624>And for what? For no actual gain at all. The system as it is works.The system works because it makes concessions and exceptions. Cast creature at instant speed: Creature with flashEnchantment at instant speed: Enchantment with flashArtifact at instant speed: Enchantment with flashSorcery at instant speed: Ummm shouldn't this be its own type???It's dumb.
>>96939851Of course you don't. You're gay
>>96944653>There is no real reason to do an errata that's significantly more far-reaching now when there are tens of thousands of cards to go through.The game isn't getting any smaller. Do it now instead of 20 years later.
>>96944665but why would you do it 20 years later?
>>96944665We aren't going to need to do it 20 years later. It's going to be exactly as unnecessary as it is today.>>96944655Some card types have rules baggage, get over it.
>>96944672Because like >>96944680 said, there's just more and more baggage over time.
>>96944685But that's not a backbreaking issue. I can live with one card type being slightly out of place when you look at the rulebook.
>>96944665There are sorcery-specific effects in this game, so the change would either be complicated further to avoid them, or significantly buff cards like Envelop or Anarchist. And like the other anons said, it's extremely cumbersome and pointless to declare errata for over 3000 cards and make their text wrong just to clear the rules up a bit.
>>96944697>I can live with one card type being slightly out of place when you look at the rulebook.It's a lack of intuit. You have both a keyword and a type that effectively describe the same concept, but apply differently just because a card is or isn't permanent. It's simultaneously inconsistent and redundant.
>>96944270How could these motherfuckers leave a whole format rot for months thanks to this card? I mean okay you are filling your game with slop no one likes but the lowest common denominator but shouldn’t you at least care a little for balance?
>>96944732Yeah it's not a big issue. Cards that are instants can be played at any moment you have priority, and so can cards with flash. It's redundant, sure, but who cares. It works.
>>96944747>but shouldn’t you at least care a little for balance?where have you been for the last 8 years?
>>96944732>You have both a keyword and a type that effectively describe the same concept, but apply differently just because a card is or isn't permanentI mean, it's not like a sorcery can't receive flash.
>>96944728>There are sorcery-specific effects in this game, so the change would either be complicated further to avoid them, or significantly buff cards like Envelop or Anarchist.You're right, but the pool of cards that refer to one but not the other is vastly outstripped by the cards that refer to both.The number of cards that use the phrase "instant and/or sorcery" is the expectation, where as just-instant or just-socecery is the exception. Errata in this case would actually save card space.
>>96944732The slight annoyance that a rulefag will get when they see this slight redundancy in the rules (and only rulefags as literally nobody else cares) is comparatively minor when compared to the major annoyance of having to errata literal thousands of cards.
>>96944747Because that card is pushing boxes for their primary format, commander. These days saying that they should ban a chase mythic because of standard is ridiculous, why would they even risk compromising their main sources of income in order to balance a sideshow format? That's just the way it is.
>>96944766>I mean, it's not like a sorcery can't receive flash.Yeah, but that's a sorcery receiving flash. The number of sorceries with flash themselves can be counted with your hands and toes.
>>96944778It's a compounding annoyance. You can either take care of it early or you can just ignore it for years on end. At that point, it's not even a question if the game would improve, it's just a question if the change is worth it.
>>96944788>>96944772Look anon, I agree with you that if the game was like that, it would work better. The devs themselves proposed a similar change if they could redo the game.The problem is the gain is very minor, and as it stands, it's flat out too much of a bother to do a far-reaching errata to a fundamental building block of the game. What about Delirium? What about Tarmogoyf? Instant being a card type is baked into the rules of the game and changing it would be an immense bother, not to mention that it's just unpleasant to have 20% of all cards in the game have the text in them be fucking wrong.
>>96944797It's already a question of if it's worth it. The answer is that it isn't worth it. Right now, it's a major change for a gain that isn't worth it. 20 years for now, it'll be an even bigger change that is even less worth it. There is just no reason to bother, just live with a minor redundancy in the rules.
>>96944813>What about Delirium? What about Tarmogoyf? What *about* Delirium? What *about* tarmogoyf?Is their existence really a justification to either increase or decrease the number of card types around the game? From a design philosophy standpoint, it's bassackwards approach to have to restrict design space solely on those cards. This isn't even an problem with whether instants are redundant, that's a problem with whether you can justify making new types at all.
>>96944847>What *about* Delirium? What *about* tarmogoyf?>Is their existence really a justification to either increase or decrease the number of card types around the game?Yes? Absolutely. Card types mattering is a very common design element of the game, and removing a whole card type instantly throws the design of literally every card into wack. It's like Domain and errataing Wastes as a fifth basic land type; suddenly Tribal Flames can hit for 6 and Scion of Draco can be cast for 0 t1.
>>96944847>What *about* Delirium? What *about* tarmogoyf?>Is their existence really a justification to either increase or decrease the number of card types around the game?If a change would brick heaps of relevant and very played cards, you should consider that as a reasoning behind whether or not to do the change, at the very least.
Alright, this was the last one I had a concrete idea for. This isn't too strong of an effect for a one drop is it?
>>96944875No, in fact it's pretty shit. It could be tapping all Humans.
>>96944847This isn't a restriction in design, they can still design new cards. This is just the reasonable position of "let's not brick a ton of cards just to correct some slight redundancy in the rules."It's not the end of the world to have both a card type and an ability with the same rules baggage.
>>96944502>how functionally different auras are from non-aura enchantmentsNigger. It's like you have reading comprehension issues from being a zoomer raised on whole language rather than phonics. Or maybe you're just retarded. Local enchantment was the old name for aura as already stated. Global enchantments were always denoted by "enchantment." Local enchantments were just renamed "aura." The only thing that ever qualitatively changed was that text like "enchant creature" was simply moved from the type text to the rule text and enchantment - aura was put into its place. It functionally NOT different. They work the exact same way as they had since alpha. As far as the rule text, if someone wanted to distinguish between local and global enchantments it would just be "global enchantments" referred to in the rules text and "local enchantments" when such a thing was applicable. In contemporary terms you just replace "global enchantment" with "non-aura enchantment" and "local enchantment" with "aura.">>96944511This is incorrect. There was no explicit types "global" or "local" listed on the cards. But they were present in the rules for cards like Opalescence. From the 2003 rulebook>212.4c A global enchantment simply has “enchantment” as its type. Local enchantments use the word “enchant,” followed by a subtype that indicates what it can enchant: enchant artifact, enchant creature, enchant enchantment, enchant land, enchant permanent, and enchant player.>>96944537>reduce it to a subtypeExcept it wasn't reduced to anything. It was literally just a formal change in terminology because players weren't gatekept enough and now you have players having rule disputes because they couldn't bother to read the comprehensive rulebook. Functionally it makes little to no difference even for the few cards that refer to the former subtypes referred to as local enchantments. If anything, we always needed more gatekeeping in MTG.
>>96944886Damn okay, does this wording look right?
>>96944864>Card types mattering is a very common design element of the game, and removing a whole card type instantly throws the design of literally every card into wack.You're right, but like you described we see the reverse problem to where new card types are prohibitively hard to introduce.Going by the color example, there used to be a point where it might have been possible to introduce a 6th color. But so much of that has been absorbed into Black and White's mechanics over the years that the room for it doesn't exist anymore. Same thing with card types, it's not going to get easier to introduce card types over time, it's just going to keep getting harder. If anything, I could argue that reducing the number of existing card types would allow opportunities for increased design space going forward.
>>96944914It would be "Tap all Human creatures target opponent controls." If you want to have control over how many for some reason, it can be "Tap any number of target Human creatures."
>>96944915No, that's dumb. Bricking all these cards *now* on the vague hope that we'll get design opportunities later is dumb as fuck. Look, man, this change is just a huge chore, causes wide problems in the design and balance of various cards, would make a heap of already printed cards wrong and you'd have to check them in the internet which is a bother, and just doesn't give you anything. There is no gain here but "some autists would be happier." Nobody cares that a card type has baggage that overlaps with an ability. Nobody gives a shit, the change is not needed and it will not be needed 20 years from now either.
>>96944899>In contemporary terms you just replace "global enchantment" with "non-aura enchantment" and "local enchantment" with "aura."Except it was more than just a formal change, Wizards had trouble properly distinguishing between global and local enchantments early on and recognized there needed to be proper distinctions. That's why you end up with bizarre cases like Remove Enchantments that don't even function like they're written anymore.
>>96944204i'm not on board unless you can tell me how this will improve kithkin-human romance
>>96944949>Bricking all these cards *now* on the vague hope that we'll get design opportunities later is dumb as fuckIt isn't a "vague hope", it's literally the situation we're in right now. The design space is restricted entirely by those cards. You know it as well as I do and you even recognize why it's a problem, what you're not seeing is that problem isn't ever going to go away, it's just going to get worse over time.
>>96944915>new card types are prohibitively hard to introduce.They arbitrarily introduced planeswalker in Alara with no issue. Introducing a new card type is simply just introducing a section into the comprehensive rules about how they work and how interaction with the type will work. >If anything, I could argue that reducing the number of existing card types would allow opportunities for increased design space going forward.You can't. Because reducing the number of card types will not. Whether or not JotC can introduce a new card type depends entirely on the creativity of JotC. >>96944957>Wizards had trouble properly distinguishing between global and local enchantments early on and recognized there needed to be proper distinctionsPlease stop being a retard. This problem was solved long before 9th edition. The problem was always retards like yourself not being gatekept properly from MTG and now you're shitting up this thread with your retarded hot takes.
>>96944915I think you genuinely do not understand how much of a bother your proposial would be. Imagine half the cards you play are just wrong and their text was errata'd. It'd be annoying as all fuck. Imagine doing this to every fucking player in the game. Imagine people playing and having to constantly remind each other that no, actually you don't have Delirium now. Imagine having to constantly recheck the stats of your Tarmogoyf or Dragon's Rage Channeler because you kept getting it wrong. It's a pain in the ass. 20 years of cards just wrong because you couldn't live with a small rules annoyance. Not even a clunky rule that actually comes up in play, not even an actual tangible issue that matters, but a rule that never impacts anyone because the game has been designed around it for decades now.
>>96944930Thanks
>>96944984Yeah he's a big faggot
>>96944982When they wanted to introduce Planeswalker and Tribal, they did. When they wanted to introduce Battles, they did. There was no impediment and Tarmogoyf didnt stop them. This is a problem that only exists in your head
>>96944983>They arbitrarily introduced planeswalker in Alara with no issue.>with no issueDude, their solution to introducing it was by making the cards rare to the point that they are the most expensive card type on the market.What the fuck are you talking about.
>>96945005How is this a rules issue?
>>96944983>They arbitrarily introduced planeswalker in Alara with no issueLorwyn, no?
>>96945010That's a game health issue.How do you think the game would change if WotC stayed the course with Spark and continued printing planeswalkers at uncommon and below?
>>96944994>When they wanted to introduce Planeswalker and Tribal, they didPlanewalkers are almost exclusively rare/mythic and tribals effectively got dumpstered with no future support. Unfortunately, at the rate things are going that's going to be the same with battles.
>>96945024I wouldn't care much and it wouldn't really be a problem, much like the uncommon PWs in Spark.
>>96945034How does this justify doing what >>96944984 noted would happen? Hell, they printed Battles once and it was in their most unintuitive and confusing form, they clearly could do it again but better this time since they're fundamentally just attackable enchantments, Planeswalkers are still a regular part of the game and see common play everywhere, and we're literally getting a Tribal support set right after ATLA.
legends ruined magic
>>96944984>>96945056>Imagine people playing and having to constantly remind each other that no, actually you don't have Delirium nowSeeing instant and recognizing it's a basically just a sorcery with flash isn't the Sisyphean feat you're making it out to be, dude.
>>96945035>and it wouldn't really be a problemIt'd be a problem because it changes how the game is balanced. Card frequency and type dictates removal. When the question of "Why aren't you running more planeswalkers?" goes beyond just not being able to afford them, then the question of how much removal you should run for them comes up too.
>>96945094It's a huge bother because people are accostumed to thinking of Instant as a card type and, again, Instant is PRINTED ON THE CARDS.They would go, look at their graveyard, see instant, sorcery, land, creature. Alright, they have Delirium, they swing with Dragon's Rage- oh wait I don't have Delirium because my cards are fucking wrong. Also my cards are worse now because of this retarded change. It's a bother, and there is nothing to gain for it.
>>96945142>They would go, look at their graveyard, see instant, sorcery, land, creature.Anyone with >80 iq would see an instant and remember it's just a sorcery with flash after the first time you told them. I would lose respect for someone if I had to tell them more than 3 times that their interrupt isn't a unique card time.
>>96945162Nigger this game has considered instant a card type for 20 years. If they suddenly arbitrarily decided artifacts were enchantments and enchantments were artifacts I would be confused too because my instincts are ingrained and i have played for a decade with the game like this.And again, like people have told you again and again, this change adds nothing. It adds fucking nothing. It just appeases your autism, nobody else in the planet gives a fuck about instant being a card type. Your argument is that it will add hypothetical design space because we'll remove a card type. Should we fold artifacts and enchantments into one banner to remove another? Should we make all Planeswalkers into creatures with toughness and power equal to their loyalty? Fuck it, let's make all lands into artifacts. Let's not let Affinity hold us hostage, after all!
>>96945142>there is nothing to gain for itI feel like this is exactly why this issue was broached at all. Maro was talking about wishing Sorceries had Flash and he's just musing about it despite the fact it will never fucking happen and nothing would be gained by musing about it. And here is this conversation where someone is defending Sorcery+Flash errata because of this stupid hypothetical that shouldn't have been brought up in the first place, just like 99% of Maro's stupid shit that doesn't actually describe any fucking reality past, present, or future.Like this isn't a conversation about thinking about raising chickens dreamed up while taking a shit, it's about something that won't fucking happen like you said because any sane person knows how much of a shitshow it will be despite Wizards loving driving straight into shitshows i.e. hybrid mana in EDH.
>>96945196>Flash and he's just musing about it despite the fact it will never fucking happen and nothing would be gained by musing about it. Okay? Then stop thinking about it. If you hate discussing it so much, then don't.
>>96945196I don't even blame MaRo for it, someone asked him an entertaining hypothetical and he is a game designer, he just thought "hey, that's a fun question" and engaged with it while noting that obviously you can't remake the game's fundamental building blocks at this point. A guy answering a what if question didn't cause anon's autism, he's autistic all on his own.
>>96944915New card types are harder to introduce because they need to work with previous removal otherwise they're uninteractable. That's why planeswalker and battles could be damaged as it was expected you'd use creatures.
>>96945005>no arguments>thinks rarities matterThough rarities were original intended to make strong or weird effects less common, for competitive players who had no problem spending a couple thousand dollars on booster boxes to make sure they could get playsets of whatever they wanted to play it never mattered. If a planeswalker is ever strong enough to play four in the deck, though players will always go out of their way to get four of those cards. Rarity is only there now to get you to either buy more packs or to balance draft in some way. >most expensive card typeIt's kinda funny when you go onto TCG player, just look for mtg cards without specifying any card names and set the filter from high to low, you see how quickly this is proven wrong. It's actually lands and artifacts (tcgplayer might not have lotus listings). Without meme features like collector numbers, planeswalkers are usually cheap unless they are strong enough to be format warping or are of some special promo printing.Even in standard right now, Kaito is cheaper than Soul Cauldron and Vivi. Quantum Riddler is $50. And of course, Infinity stone is $65 though we could always point out that it's getting its price inflated even more by commander pigs buying so much slop. >>96945020I was thinking about Elspeth which is why I thought of Alara.
>>96945191>If they suddenly arbitrarily decided artifacts were enchantments and enchantments were artifacts I would be confused too because my instincts are ingrained and i have played for a decade with the game like this.If someone told me that, I wouldn't have any problems remembering. The real issue is with typal specific interactions.>Should we fold artifacts and enchantments into one banner to remove another? Serious question, do you actually want to discuss that? Because I think that's a conversation worth having even if it's just a mental exercise, i.e., can we say artifacts and enchantments are unique enough to justify their separate types and how would that impact the game? I think there's an actual argument to say they aren't distinct, but the game's interactions with their types exceeds the differences between sorceries and Instants.
>>96945211>I don't even blame MaRo for itI do. His words are gospel to some people, the stupidest most retarded members of the Magic community - the small fraction among retards who actually engage with the game online and read his blog. I'll say this, I read his blog before and it took me years to realize nothing of value came of discussing anything he fucking talks about because it doesn't actually affect the game and he lies by omission about shit all the time.Maro is like a pope public musing about whether Mary was a virgin or not. Saying stupid shit like that is why schisms happened, it's why any sane person who took the time to read Pope Maro's words stop reading or quit because that shit isn't Catholic/Magic. I'm pushing the analogy too far but the point is anything that dipshit talks about should be ignored because unfortunately you've wasted time debating this point with an insane person because it was something Maro talked about.
>>96945237Wotc already is designing instants and sorceries differences.
>>96945235>>thinks rarities matterYou're insane for thinking they don't. Magic at it's core is and always will be a TCG and the market has always driven what they release at what rarity and their willingness to ban cards. It's the same reason why when uncommons perform too well, they get upgraded to rare on rereleases
>>96945256>alreadyThey've done that for a while. What I'm getting at though is that the card pool that cares about sorcery vs. instant is magnitudes smaller than the pool that cares about enchantments vs. artifacts.
>>96945255It's his blog nigga. If people are taking his silly musings that he explicitly notes are silly musings as gospel that's on them for being retarded. He likes to talk about game design, that's literally the best thing he does. It's the thing he's worked his whole life in and he likes to talk about it.It's like if the Pope said "man, this is good" while eating a cheese sandwich and then people decided to worship blocks of cheese. That's not on him, he did something normal. That's on the retards for being retards
>>96945258>the market has always driven what they release Yes. Except this is more along the lines of what products they think they could make a lot of money on from selling boosters and (((collectors))) boxes. They only ever care about the secondary market only to avoid kvetching from some commander slopper who would get mad that he can't play his overpowered slop he spent a lot of money on or a (((collector))) getting mad about what it will do to his (((investment)))'s profitability (the latter is the loudest group). >at what rarityThe vast majority of rares and mythic rares are generally very cheap. It's only a few cases whether or not they will reprint a card based upon how much kvetching a small number of (((collectors))) do. As in the case of the old "from the vaults" for example, it was entirely based upon what they thought a player would buy 4 of the products to get play-sets of those reprints while not inciting kvetching from the (((collectors))).>when uncommons perform too well, they get upgraded to rare on re-releasesAgain. Rarity is generally for draft and booster box sales purposes to keep most powerful cards from seeing too much play in draft and to get you to buy more boosters. For competitive play the typical competitive pay piggy just buys five to six booster boxes each set to get all the rares. If it was an uncommon from a set that had a lot of sales, everyone already has multiple play-sets so it doesn't affect anyone except the guy who tries to get his first play-set of them from the new boosters.
>>96945270Brb putting sorceries under isochron's scepter and casting them at instant speed.
>>96944645Grandpa shits his pants, so no. Magic never made big money for its 25 years until it returned to the universes beyond idea and now it's printing money. The people have spoken, mtg should be this now.>>96944650Analogy, dumbass.
>>96945355Actually, if instant were a subtype, Instant would still be the only valid target even if they were sorceries. Same thing goes for >>96945256, in both cases there wouldn't even be an errata required.The erratas in this case matter when it refers to sorceries with no mentions of instants.
>>96945354>Yes. Except this is more along the lines of what products they think they could make a lot of money on from selling boosters and (((collectors))) boxes.It's both. The game was never intended to be balanced. >The vast majority of rares and mythic rares are generally very cheapYeah, but that doesn't mean they're good or actually rare. Trash mythics and rares are a thing for a reason, it's because they are printed more frequently than the cards they actually expect or want to perform well.
>>96945360>Analogy, dumbass.Pedantry is reddit and gay.
Errataing 3000 cards in the name of some rules autism that doesn't impact the game in the slightest is dumb as shit. I want the text of my cards to be kept right as much as possible.
>>96944204I agree and Maro has agreed for fifteen years at least but it would make some cards look kinda gay
>>96945460>that doesn't impact the game in the slightest is dumb as shit.Kinda weird that you nigs say it doesn't impact the game but then say it has massive impact on the game nglfamilam
>Replace white serra angel with black woman>Make black woman beat white man in mtgWhat did they mean by this?
>>96945744It means they can do anything and it wouldn't matter to the paypigs.
>mass removal >mass removal >mass removal >copy mass removal effect from the graveyard
>>96945744Better question:Why is her neck six feet long?
>>96945744Might be that they're mocking your fixation on race politics.
>>96946068Intentionally alienating your core consumers is not a sustainable business strategy.
>>96946159maybe the core consumers aren't nazis
>>96945744I'm with you and all, really, but is that actually a black woman?
>>96946185Maybe you should stop calling everyone with common sense a Nazi.
>>96946159Might be that the core consumers don't care about the color of the people in the art.
>>96946220If no one cares then why change it?
>>96946216>common senseAh, so this is your cope for why the rest of the world thinks you're a faggot.Don't forget, your awful life situation is because of the jews, and not because of your numerous personal failings.
>>96946228>the rest of the worldKeep telling yourself that, moron.The rest of the world has their own media empires, you can take a look for yourself and see what they actually like.
>>96944204and all permanents should be erratad to have flash
>>96946224Mark rosewater said they wanted to change things up and have more representation.
Burchett would die if he saw this.
>>96945744yaasss
>>96946197"Woman" might be a fucking troon with a dick
>>96946669a feminine dick, closet case
>>96945744She looks more olive skinned like Elspeth than black desu.
>>96945879Thats nothing. I played three games yesterday and all of them were against green trample decks where I never drew any of the multiple outs in my deck. Arena is fucking rigged.
Know what I want to see in future sets? Battle Creatures.The idea being that unlike Siege subtypes types, the caster maintains control of the creature and it transforms after taking X cumulative damage.
We need more art depicting dragons having gay sex to save Magic.
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