Previous: >>96931079Discard Edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.comTQ:Fav archetype to play?
>>96941446>Fav archetype to play?Battlecruiser.
>>96941446>TQ:Stax. Especially stax that wins slowly through combat damage. I don't play Winota but I love decks that just slow the game down, stop people from doing anything while my creatures slowly get bigger and march people down.
This nigga goes nuts with Mana Echoes
Last night I had a terrible nightmare that my I looked down at my $500 indoraptor deck and had mistakenly built it in Temur colors instead of Jund :(
With the new hybrid mana changes, this deck can be played with either a mono green commander or Breya, which is every color BUT green.>easier for players to understand my asshttps://moxfield.com/decks/0WwWHdMe00OUZSeFjZVlnw
>>96941484fpbp
>>96941446>tqprobably mono-B self-discard. It flies under the radar, I'm never a threat enough to be paid attention to, but I constantly have shit to do and can respond to problems.
>>96941563it sucks how much better itd be with blue, there are some game-winning enrage cards in blue
>>96941579>>easier for players to understand my assEverything in the deck can be cast with green mana. whats confusing?
>>96941579I don't see how this is confusing at all. You invented a worst-case scenario and it's still trivial to understand.
>>96941632>Everything in the deck can be cast with green mana. whats confusing?And can all be in a deck with a non-green commander.
>>96941683Because if you have every non-green color, you can also cast every spell in the deck.Good luck trying to make that deck work outside bracket 1 though.
>>96941579For me the big joke is calling the hybrid symbols "either" while saying e.g. >>96941563 this card is totally 3 coloursIf it is EITHER and not BOTH then you should have to pick one and this card should be two colours, either rakdos or gruul. But if the card is three colours then clearly the symbol is BOTH. It's just another example of how this is an idiotic change dreamt up purely to flog packs and for no other reason.
>>96941705Uh-oh! Melty!
>>96941737he's right
>>96941754Gonna cry? Piss your pants? Shit and cum maybe?
>>96941503Airbend is truly an atrocious mechanic
>>96941563This is a Gruul / Rakdos deck though?
Any recommendations for a Karate commander?
>>96941759See>>96941737
>>96941503Ashnods Altar too
>>96941803Any prowess commander
>>96941834Prowess being the martial art keyword is so lame though.
>>96941846Then don't build a karate commander because prowess is what martial arts are in this game
>>96941705WOTC just wants to have their cake and eat it too with the new lowyrn cards. They wanted to bring back hybrid mana for the set, but don't want the 'feels bad' of most the cards being locked to multi color commander decks, which also means less copies sold to commander players.
>>96941803>>96941834>>96941846>>96941868I also think prowess is shit and boring; allow my waifu to show you the way of martial arts.Your only other option is Iwamori of the open fist, which is a bad card.
>>96941762>bouncing and blinking has been a thing in the game for ages>here is a mechanic that allows you to do both, either blink your stuff or bounce your opponents stuff depending on the card text>it isnt just blankly that good though because you have to pay a cost to bring your stuff back to get the etb and it isnt as good of a bounce because your opponent probably doesnt have to pay as much to bring their stuff backAirbending is an objectively greatly designed mechanic
How viable is Bad Yu-Gi-Oh here? I saw the precon was fairly cheap and the facedown gimmick seemed like fun.
>>96941868prowess is specifically showing an ability to tap into magic and spells and shit and tie that together with your physical abilities, that's why a firebender would have prowess and a boxer wouldnt>>96941902Prowess is a great mechanic because unlike so many mechanics it's stackable
>>96941925Morph is a pretty bad mechanic overall. Even when they tried to buff it with disguise in murders it was pretty bad.
>>96941917>its good cause I like it!>its good cause its a copy of something else!No im afraid that isnt how it works. Its derivative, unnecessary, boring and not thematic at all. None of the bending is they're all random dogshit
>>96941929It's mechanics are irrelevant to why I say it's boring. It thematically has no connection to martial arts.
>>96941944Even Manifest Dread doesn't save it?
>>96941982it's okay if you're flickering a dissection tools or whatever but not as a central theme of the deck.And in general morph/manifest/etc is all fucking gay I want to look at cards not the back of ur matte dragonshields
>>96941982I havent seen anyone run a deck like thisThe issue with manifest dread is that its not casting a facedown creature so you dont get the cost reduction. You could still draw cards but that is kind of whatever for a 4 CMC commander.
>>96941868>inferior art
>>96941952Notwithstanding she has prowess, I feel like Ty Lee's two cards felt more martial artsy to me than something like Elsha who is a MINO (monk in name only)
>>96941925The problem with Kadena is that you don't really build it because like 90% of all cards worth running in it already come with the precon and a lot of them aren't very good to begin with. Morph is an undersupported mechanic with mostly mediocre effects and is unlikely to get new support, recent stuff like disguise and manifest we're also pretty mediocre and it sure didn't help that most of disguise support weren't in Kadena's colors to begin with.Long story short, it's a fun but very gimmicky commander with a very limited card pool that very rarely gets new cards.
>>96941446>TQTurbo. Yes I will play k'rrik and ral. Yes I will try to do the thing and win as fast as possible (possibly turn 1). No, I don't care if your deck dosent get to do the thing either play faster or mull to shut me down.
>>96941925>>96941944I'd say Yarus is a better commander for that sort of deck, since you can more easily cheat costs on bigger face-down creatures and otherwise squeeze more value out of everything.
>>96941446Turbo is my favorite, but I have decks across multiple archetypes.My favourite decks are Rowan, Ral, and Green Goblin
>>96941446>TQ Battlecruiser//Reanimator
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>Nice mountains ya got there
>>96942220Thanks, they go great in my mono-R deck.
>>96942220thanks, sis
>>96941762It's fine. It's not even that good. It's worse than basic flicker effects. >you can use it offensivePoorly yes, it's not that strong.
>>96942149That's a cool poster. Always liked the Herbert West story. How's that movie?
>>96941446>TQMidrange, in all it's forms. I dunno man I just always like to "have it". I like being the one that has the removal, the boardwipes, etc. but also being the one that's able to dial up the pressure when the opportunity presents itself. I like looking at my hands and having to decide if this game I'm going to have to play more control or more aggro and be able to switch between the two, and I like being able to rebuild after boardwipes and grind my way out of seemingly unwinnable situations.I just love decks that outgrind and outvalue the rest of the table, and I try to build all my decks to be able to do those things.
>>96941925It's fucking fun. It's a control game, that might be taxing to you - i spent a lot of time just looking at my facedowns over and over again, and I STILL miss some - but it's a very fair control game even most new players can get behind. Your deck relies heavily on the commander, and most of your control pieces are on board as weak 2/2s, with literally no protection (except the "new" disguise cards with ward 2, which retardedly marks them as such) and it will all fall apart if someone just sneezes in your direction - but this type of managing is all the fun in Kadena and makes her stand out in the control Archetype. The new cards from MKM and DSK helped out a lot, I could switch out older overcoated morphs with some of the new toys. Picrel has become an all-star, converting your Bullshit into an actual wincon.
>>96942462>MidrangeI would probably call this "tempo" (not saying you are wrong, just the way I think about decks), but I also agree its pretty much my favorite play pattern. Play for value, keep some options open, plan to pop off once board is in a good state
>>96942537I love tempo decks in other formats but I don't know if I've ever seen a proper tempo strategy be translated into EDH. Then again it's a bit of a nebulous term to begin with.
>TQArtifacts make my pp the HUGE (1.5 inch) pp
>>96940742Upon further research they filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy this year (it literally got filed yesterday). So yeah, think I might find somebody else to go with.
>>96942733You can find places that do custom game mats decently easily online. Amazon even has sellers doing it. I've ordered some mats from these guys and it's been fine every time and I've used one as my go to mat for nearing a year now with no issue.https://www.amazon.com/FROGIGO-Custom-Playmat-Non-Slip-Mat/dp/B0CCYL7CLZ
>>96942712Stfu Andrew.
>>96941446>TQI love fligger XDD
>>96942712>ArtifactsAll artifacts should be banned outside B4
>>96942769Thanks for the link. It's mostly just figuring out who wont scam you out of your money while also making a decent mat.
>>96942841Yeah I get you. That's why I tried those guys a year or so ago since the money was pretty low investment for a custom mat and I figured I could argue to Amazon for a refund in case something happened instead of trying to deal with some seller on their own site. Amazon has been pretty fast to give refunds from my experience in other products.
>>96941446>TQAggressive combat stuff. Pretty much every deck and color combination I build I end up wanting to build it for combat. Even my mono blue and white are all about getting in for big damage.
>>96942778Andrew Swordbro*
>Andrew Swordbro
>Play theft deck>Autists chimp out and shit and piss themselves>They themselves play stax or some cringe shitevery time
>2 or 3 'steal your shit' commanders printed per setGive me one good reason to not put Homeward Path in every deck that can handle one additional colorless land.
>>96942858Thanks for the info, it does say non refundable on their page, but its $20 so whatever.
>>96943066There is no reason it's one of the best utility lands in the game.
>>96943066>Homeward PathThis is the kind of staple I wish was reprinted into the ground. Put it in every precon if possible.
>>96943103At the very least if they do a set of precons and one of them has theft mechanics, the other precons in that set should have it.
>>96943066There are too many good utility lands. It's hard to justify ones that work sometimes (homeward path) vs ones that work all the time, unless your deck has shenanigans with the former.
>>96941446>Fav archetype to play?Dredge
>>96943177List of colorless utility lands better than Homeward Path:>Cavern of Souls>Urza's Saga>Wasteland/Strip Mine/Demolition Field>???
>>96943232nykthosthree tree cityfield of the deademergence zoneburied ruininventors' fair
I wish there was a competitive budget commander format.Playing casual is but i'd like to be able to go all out without having to proxy or take out a loan. Not to mention that cedh is a very boring format that's way too focused on alternate wincons.
>>96943232Rogue's Passage? Usually find a spot for it in most decks.
>>96943278pauper commander duh
>>96943278cEDH tournaments are proxy friendly for a reason. Anyway it's a trash competitive eternal format that has basically zero chance of ever being good. The only way competitive EDH can be good is if duel commander variants keep gaining traction but at that point I'd honestly rather play regular 1v1 formats (and the budget problem still applies to duel commander).
>>96943265Not a utility landNot a utility landGClollollol
>>96943232Reliquary tower, scavenger grounds, cavern of souls, talon gates. All the unblockable lands. Homeward path is good, but I wouldn't run it just for pure value.
Is it wrong to play proxied dual lands in bracket 3? I had a guy spit at me
>>96943501I'd rather you proxy a fetch/shock land than actual OG duals
>>96941446>TQAristocrats.I was also wondering what the most annoying one to play against is.
>>96943501you only delay yourself learning how to build decks if you rely on hyper-efficient options
>>96941705> reee XOR reeee
why aren't OG dual lands game changers?
>>96943546>I was also wondering what the most annoying one to play against is.Discard and it's not even close. Sacrifice is a distant 2nd place, but I can't think of anything else besides those two. I'd rather play a hardcore stax/control deck than discard/sacrifice
>>96943553>>96943537Sorry. Didn't know. I'll take them out.
>>96943501Yes
>>96943564Because then the people who paid a kidney for them would cry, and we can't have that happening.
>>96943564kill yourself you inveterate timewaster
>>96943564they should be bannedthere's no reason why you need them
>>96943501Yes, are you stupid? >is it wrong that I proxy $500 cards?Come the fuck on. There are so many other lands that you could run
>>96943564Too expensive and too uncommon.
>>96943578What do you suggest I replace them with? I already have shocks in that deck
>>96943501>Is it wrong to play proxied>I had a guy spit at me
>>96943612I have a shit-paying job and can't really afford much. A single proxied deck is pushing it.
>TQGive me Stax or give me death
>>96943595It's not a strong deck. It's green/white John Benton with a single dual land in it and nothing but mana dorks and combat tricks. If I wanted super strong, I'd have proxied a different type of deck. But I got so much hate for my first commander night
>>96943644I think that may somehow make that even worse. Why the fuck do you need a dual land for a two color deck? Just pick a basic.
>>96943644Why in the FUCK are you running true duals in a fucking 2c deck? Fucking moron get better at building shit holy fuck
I got kicked out of a pod because I called a player a ‘bluigger’ for countering literally every spell I played for an hour after winning the previous game. (I was playing yuna precon vs baral, and the baral player was playing basic bitch belakor when I get tibalt trickery his cyc rift and then cast insurrection and stole his demon board)Flurbo’s tropical islandLand >forest mountainThis land enters untapped if your starting life total is 40.You lose the game if tropical island is in your deck.There, cheap duals.
>>96943501Ive played this fake real Badlands in edh tourneys and haven't been called on it.If they find out its a proxy its a you problem.
>>96943682>>96943501Proxy =/= counterfeit
>>96943623Realistically how do you deal with this when it gets going, if no one has artifact removal? Just tie game?
>>96943600Pain lands or surveils. Triomes too.
>>96942022why did you post the inferior art yourself?
>>96943673>>96943668I'm sorry. I truly didn't know.>>96943682I announced that my deck was proxied (can't afford shit) and asked ahead of time if anyone had an issue with that. They said they didn't.
>>96943060Kill yourself
>>96943564Extremely minimally better than Shocks
>>96943763>minimallyHaving two shocks rather than one is huge. Now imagine having one that doesn't even shock you.Having flexible mana fixing is huge. With them allowed, you can build around low-probability hands with the knowledge that there will be nothing to stop you from vomiting them all over the board turn 3 and winning. That's cEDH, not bracket 3.
>>96943564Because they can serve as instant faggot detectors to out people like >>96943501>>96943501Kill yourself
>>96943786It's not huge and don't try to pretend that it is. The real reason they're frowned upon is that there's literally zero downside to including them and they're very expensive RL cards, so you either have to use proxies or flex your wallet. It's not a powerlevel thing, their inclusion does not cause a power mismatch at the table, they're just something most people wish didn't exist because of their price.
>>96943699remove the thing generating his sac fodder. if he's just trying to wipe the board you can save resources and craft your hand for when the game gets reset rather than mindless running out more lands thatll get sacced.
>>96943807If you say they're not huge, you're outing yourself as having zero understanding of the game. There's a reason even shocks have rotated completely out of standard. Color fixing is literally the third most powerful thing you can do in the game, right behind mana ramping and card draw. If you make it available with literally zero downside, you remove the one barrier to the most degenerate strategies in the game.Fucking kill yourself faggot.
there's no reason to compare dual lands and shocks because the aspect of them that's bullshit is you get a redundant set of good lands. no one's cutting shocks for duals they're cutting basics (because ruination has been unfairly jailed)
Centaurs deserve more love
>>96943844I say ban shocks too.They are fairer in standard, where life totals are smaller.
What is your opinion on decks that are bit disruptive? Like, donate, forced combat, group slug... I like those themes, but don't want to build a deck just for people to get salty about Blim or Yurlok.
>>96943850we should appreciate tribes that havent been turned into slop
>>96943818Shocking yourself for 2 mana is a trivial downside in EDH. You have literally every manner of fetch, dual and triome ever printed in EDH, it's already trivially easy to fix your mana for nearly zero downside without the OG duals. So no, the addition of them to a deck does not create any meaningful power level mismatch between that deck and a deck that is using every other type of land except those ones, obviously it's better to have them but the difference it makes is minimal.>There's a reason even shocks have rotated completely out of standard.Yeah about that.
>>96943859>I will do roundabout thing that disrupts the table and then maybe wins, probably notis retarded. All categories of it.Be upfront about your intentions or be outed as the faggot you are.
>>96943859ideal pods have at least one person playing something like that. fuck value pile good stuff turn sideways or 2 card combo shit.
>>96943859They get old quick in my opinion, it's fun for a couple of games but they usually have no clear wincons and the fun to annoyance ratio rapidly starts tipping towards the latter.
>>96943859Disruption is based tbqhwyfif your deck can't roll with the punches it's shit
>>96943867It's about redundancy too. Another set of color fixing rather than honest duals is just offensive, especially if you claim to be in B3 like that faggot.
>>96943867>the difference is trivialso why do you need to run them so bad? are you a sperg who starts scratching himself if his deck isn't running the best in slot in every fashion imaginable? if this is how you act over your landbase why wouldnt i expect you're also the kind of faggot running every free counterspell and good draw engines like rhystic?
>>96943907I don't need to run them and I don't. I just pointed out that the reason they're frowned upon is not due to power level mismatches.
>>96943712Oh then theyre faggots for complaining after. Call them losers
Solution: abolish Bracket 3
I wanna build something something rakdos. decent into avernus sounds like a cool card. rakdos, lord of riots or chainer, nightmare adept? Both sound fun to play against my whiny friends
>>96943811This, they only play smokestack if they can make more useless things to get rid of than you.If they can't make tokens or such reliably they usually get rid of it instantly if theyre not a 'im going down with this ship' player I am such a player, The stairs lead down in both directions
>>96943932my main is xenagos btw, I like the wham bam playstyle
Ban islands
>>96943501YES!
>>96942537Tempo is more about presenting a single hard-to-answer threat and protecting it into a victory desu
>>96943865>support badkill yourself my man, not everyone wants an Ur-Dragon for each tribe but something closer to a Ureni. Almost every tribe except for a few stay relegated mostly to a couple, or maybe 3 colors with some strays elsewhere so we can have something like a Jund Centaur Commander and it would be sick.
>Showing the one card where the cards can be your commander and the text includes “{s}"We desperately need more. Absolute horseshit the viking set only brought one
>sit down at random table>ah fuck 2 of them are literal retards playing bracket 4 netdecks>they dont know their at all>3rd guy has been gleefully pubstomping them>pulls out chaos deck>t2 smothering titheHoly fuck how do I get out
>>96943501If you're in bracket 3 in a proxy-friendly environment, then no.Bracket 3 allows three game changers per deck. The hypocrisy of allowing Urza, Lord High Artificer (not even a game changer anymore) or Thoracle but not a fucking Tundra is astounding.
>>96944067By being kind to your fellow human beings, having open rule 0 conversations, and not pretending to be okay with things you aren't.
>>96944087T3 sheoldred and jodahIt’s difficult to get out because 2 of them are literal 80 iqs and are having fun, so being negative is difficult
>>96943564Same reason shock lands aren't banned, they're only really strong with fetch lands
>>96944119>2 of them are literal 80 iqs and are having funThis is why I firmly believe that everyone should have at least one sweaty deck. You never know when you're gonna run into a mentally retarded simpleton that wants to play busted cards just to feel powerful
>>96941446>Fav archetype to play?Control. Alas I am not allowed to because EDH players are babies.
>>96943501This is assault and can also be upgraded to bio terrorism.Which is why it didn't happen.
>>96943919Abolish brackets because they don't work and everyone has a different idea of what constitutes bracket 3 or not. Meaning it is identical to the old system. Except the old system didn't allow for retards to cry because they decided a bracket 2 deck isn't bracket 2 because "I said so."
>>96944229thank you for your service
>>96943501No. Retards genuinely think proxying expensive cards is inherently bad because price=power.There are tons upon tons of 10-20 dollar cards that will have 50 times the impact of a dual. It's just retards made because they're anti-proxy. Many such cases.
>>96944059a handful of commanders want to be snow (meaning run certain snow permanents (which requires all snow lands)) without actually having snow mana in their texboxes.
>>96944059requiring snow ain't great. Benefitting from snow is where it is at.
>>96943907Anon, are you retarded? >Hey you don't need these>WELL WHY DO YOU NEED TO RUN THEM THENAre you blending people together?
>>96944229>can also be upgraded to bio terrorism.lol
>>96944279I ain't the retarded DOJ or AG's. It has happened because muh covid.
>>96944248Proxying cards is inherently bad because scarcity is part of the game and always has been.The constraints introduced by not being able to have all the best stuff at once is what leads to interesting deckbuilding and what makes TCG's aspirational.
>>96944295unfortunately for everyone, magic is a CCG, not a TCG.
>>96944295This isn't remotely true btw
>>96944285It has not happened. California doesn't even criminalize failing to tell a sexual partner that you have HIV
>>96944149I ended up cancelling the game by casting tempt with reflections on wandering archaic a few times, then cast press the enemyStack couldn’t resolve, they kept trying to tap their copy of press the enemy while it was on the stack to cast it, and then I cast bonus round so every spell they cadt is copied 5 or so times
>>96944303This is also false. No point arguing with you though. You appear to be retarded.
>YOU CAN'T RUN OG DUALS IN BRACKET 3Why?
>>96944316Because it means you are trying to ‘technically’ be in a bracket and running as powerful as you can get
>>96943859Fun but not allowed because only your opponents can have fun in EDH. You are pretty much restricted to voltron since people are ok with that because they can 5 for 1 you by killing your stupid creature
>>96944302It is and you're a retard who knows nothing about history OR gamesBlack Lotus and Ancestral Recall were only allowed in Alpha because Richard Garfield knew they'd be scarce.
>>96944327So basically>because I said so
>>96944327This is not evidence that OG dual lands are bad for bracket 3, but that B3 is stupid. Literally nobody has any idea what it means or is supposed to play like.
>>96944355It means you are supposed to let me win and for you to play garbage while I play efficient cards that are "ok" because they were recently reprinted and had a price drop so that means they are less powerful.
>>96944327>running as powerful as you can getOG dual lands are not powerful compared to very much else that's indisputably allowed in B3.
>>96944310Sorry, it's more that they reduced it from a felony to a misdemeanor
I love having this card resolve on someone that is doing graveyard shenanigans and has a full hand of cards. It's just brutal.
If I play a 145 dollar Thoracle is it stronger than the 20 dollar one?
>>96944359Least favorite part of commander.It reminds me of Dead by Daylight, where you're supposed to win "but not like that."I don't know why supposedly social games reliably attract the most antisocial behaviors.
>>96944362>>96944349>>96944355>why cant I just print the best lands in the game and use them in casual magic?? >let me just bitch online about how im judged
not the kadena guy earlier, but reminded me of a question. if I make a morph/etc a copy of another creature, it becomes a copy of that creature but is still facedown and can be morphed/etc faceup at any time, right?
>>96944377I mean I am allowed to do that because my group aren't little bitches who try to make up rules to angle shoot.
>>96944375yes because scarcity equals value
>>96944362then why bother running them
>>96944376>It reminds me of Dead by Daylight, where you're supposed to win "but not like that."Fucking this. It's the same shit as there. It just isn't as bad because everyone is playing the same game instead of two different sides.
>>96944382Then you are good, most of the posters on this board use random commander games to pubstomp and fulfill their competitive urges, and then post sob stories about how they get targeted constantly.
Farewell the board and no one cares. But play one little underground sea and everyone loses their minds!
>>96944421Neither should be allowed in B3
>>96944440That's not the rules we have, though. So, they are.
>>96944376>wah wah I thoracle'd the board and the precon player got mad!!!
>>96944448
>>96944421God I wish I had an Underground Sea, it's one of my favorite arts in magic.
>>96944310>make positive assertion>receive scepticism>refuse to provide evidenceSo you concede then?
>>96944507reddit moment
please tell me if Im allowed to use this vampire as my commander or will I be cringe and boring when I do so?
>>96944525>why wont he just trust me bro
>>96944250>>96944259I would also accept something like this. I just wanna use my snow basics as god intended, and not cheese something with Necrobloom
>>96941446>TQReanimator. Halloween is forever in MTG.
>>96943501so anyway,the problem is, clearly, that a not-insignificant percent of the playerbase thinks that playing your deck with an optimized manabase including alpha duals is punching up the powerlevel scaling in some way.without addressing either side, the fact that there's a vehement divide makes playing, and especially proxying them as there's additional baggage there, difficult.personally I think it's fine, but I've also had some unexpected agitation when someone pulled out a "I don't know if I'm going to end up liking this so I proxied it first, is that OK" deck that turned out to have alpha duals and other 500 dollar cards.
>Make 3 Eddie Cards>they're all for unfun cancer commandersWhy you do this to me WOTC
>>96944632I guess I'd feel an issue if I thought a tundra was on the level of literally any card in the game changer list.Even Crop rotation is a stronger card. It's cheaper than a cheeseburger. I'll take a cyclonic rift over a tabernacle.
>>96944646>turn 1>Sea of Cloudsvs>Turn 1>Tundraoutside of having land types, it's identical and the land types only mean that it's just another reason Fetches are so good. Fetches would have to be GCs if any mana correction lands were.
>>96944533He's based
>>96944646I don't think duals are GC strong. I do see that very plainly they make decks with a lot of different colors significantly easier to play, which means they can leverage their strengths easier.that particular deck I found myself annoyed by was specifically (pre EOE) jund lands complete with 'play mana land, tabernacle, glacial chasm, sac tabernacle and glacial them before my turn, replay from gy' looping.
If any rule change must take place, it's this. In cEDH, there is no sideboard. But non-tournament games can use anything, as sideboards aren't stipulated there.In a casual game, a card you choose from outside the game comes from your personal collection. In a tournament event, a card you choose from outside the game must come from your sideboard. You may look at your sideboard any time.(2020-09-25)
>>96944692I don't see how they are significantly better than a battlebond land.>They have land typesWhich matters because....Fetches! Fetches are the issue.
>>96944285>with easeIs the silly part anon
>>96944699NOOOOOOOO WISHES ARE SO UNFAIR
>>96941446Is Mr Jank's wild ride worth getting on?
>>96944735what's your opinion on the price of quicksilver elemental
>>96944755poised to drop when Vivi gets banned
>>96943712>They said they didn'tthey didn't have a problem because (You) being poor was already your punishment
>>96944755I proxy lol. Cost is not an issueIts a case of will it be fun, and cab tuned jank win in a land of value engines?
>>96944761based TEB
>>96943712Just find a different group. They are massive massive faggots. People who cry about proxies are faggots. There is nothing you did wrong. Ignore proxy haters. And this thread just has an anti-proxy bend
>>96944781tell me where your pod is so i can crash it with full proxy CEDH and if you ban me i'll tell you you're faggot proxy hater
>>96944799How would this differ from if your deck was all authentic? We'd be more impressed?
>>96944808>it's almost like the issue is the lack of shame of the majority of proxyfags because they lack restraint and proxy all the power cards
>>96944828No it seems the issue you have is the power level of decks but you are genuinely too retarded to address that before a game. And you're too retarded to just use brackets. So what happens is>You let a person join>You do not enquire about the power level of the pod>someone busts out their cEDH deck>You cryThe end result is the same regardless of the authenticity of the cards.
>>96944835>enquire
>>96944666he looks super fun but is also in the top 150 of the most used commanders and I always ask myself if I should be playing a commander thats widely used
>>96944857He's a precon commander so him being high up is pretty guaranteed.
>>96944857>is also in the top 150 of the most used commanders and I always ask myself if I should be playing a commander thats widely used>I let a website dictate how i have fun
>>96944835the guy's issue wasn't that the pod thought his john benton deck was broken or too OP for b3, but that he proxied a very expensive RL card and his pod hated him for itdumbass proxyfags always have trouble understanding this, but the underlying idea of proxies is that you just don't have the money now to buy the card because of real life shit so you proxy with the intent that you would *eventually* own the card; to proxy a dual not only signifies that you lack restraint and are unable to grasp the concept of delayed gratification but that you implicitly allow proxying of other power cards like cradle and LED thus leading to arms races by retarded proxiers
>>96944865I dont. my first deck was kaalia and I still have it>>96944862yea makes sense
>>96944865>>I let a website dictate how i have funMore like>the communityAnd yes, we do. As we can see from the conversation for the past 150 posts
>>96944925>we doWho do you think youre speaking for
>>96944938The majority of this thread as can be seen by the majority of the posts being of this opinion.
>>96944945Where?
>>96944925>we do>he picks his commanders based on what other people think/useOutside of not doing the same commander as someone else in your normal pod, how fucking autistic do you have to be? Play what looks fun.
>>96944965>Play what looks fun.ok
>>96944979>a stax commander?! not like that!!>read our minds next time!!lol
>counting reskins there are T E N versions of AangCommander was mistakeUniverses Beyond was a mistakehell is empty and all the devils are here
>>96944979shoutout to the time someone was playing this guy and then i casted clone and everyone scooped before it resolved
>>96945072Actually that doesn't count. There's only 4 versions.
>>96945072>muh reskins!i liked the time when you guys were deadass silent FF because it proved that UB can work and that ensemble IPs are the ideal UB standard set
>>96945080without reskins its 8
>>96945101still doesn't count.
>>96945098I am UB Hater #1If there are no UB haters left, I am dead.
>>96945110meanwhile i don't hate UW because UW is so irrelevant it isn't even worth hating on LMAO GOTTEM
>>96945122I don't care what UB piggies think
>>96945110Avatar is approved UB. Wait until TMNT. Then suddenly UB will be dead and the thread will again claim "UB Fatigue."
We got an unironic Office lair. When is the SNL Secret Lair? I need my man David Pumpkins.
>>96945128all anime and anime adjacent IPs are inherently approved, westoids get fucked
>>96944945Anon where?
>>96944979Okay, that's fine. Go build it.
>>96945126uh oh UW melty
If you had the budget for only one copy of Void Winnower or Ulamog Ceaseless Hunger what would you pick?
>>96945167void winnowerulamog the deflier is the best version anyway
>want sorcerer class>apparently I opened one, have it in my app>look through all of my collection and decks (no izzet ones)>nadaFUCK an hour gone
>>96945167Void because being able to say "you can't even" is worth it. Also as >>96945179 said, Defiler is THE version of Ulamog to have if you're not going to use every titan in your deck.
>>96945179>>96945194Cool. Ordering Void then.
>>96945220It better be the sexy version
>>96945128no UB is approved UB. All UB is worthy of the same scorn, and unworthy of the cardboard it's printed on.
>>96945365you didn't gatekeep hard enough, UWfagyou didn't protect what you hadnow us anime chads will inherit the game you've taken for grantedtick tock westoid
>>96945275Way out of my budget sadly.
>>96944305ok satan
>>96944149>This is why I firmly believe that everyone should have at least one sweaty deckcorrectan armed pod is a polite pod
>>96945365t. cabbage hater
>>96945509see >>96945110
>>96945512>Reee I hate UB
>>96945400>literally who, the ching chong nip nong
>>96945538this but the whole of UW
>>96945544lmfao gottteeeeem
>>96945522>>Reee I hate UBThis but unironically
>>96945556>Noooo that's the wrong Scrimblo Brimblo noooo
>>96945558WotC is banking on people buying UB because it is the "right" scrimblo brimblo. Your attempt to mock people for caring defeats itself.
>>96945575And if UB fags were crying about lack of UB on UW cards I'd also mock them. Alas, this is not happening.
>>96945522Yes.
>>96945594That's rough buddy
>>96945597Yes. But my hatred will never waver nor wane.
>>96945575>Your attempt to mock people for caring defeats itself>love? just a bunch of chemicals>art? it's whatever you say>gender? it's whatever you want it to be>a nation? just some documents and imaginary lines>haha stop caring so much about those things>but mtg? it's more than a bunch of mechanics aaaaiiiiieeeeeeefoolish westoidyoureapwhatyouhavesown
>>96945611most of those things are true
>>96945612UB is true too btw
>>96945614What does this even mean? Zoomers literally just type words.
>>96945629it means UB won and UW lost
>>96945635Honestly, considering the backlash, I have pretty strong expectations they'll be pulling UB back to a couple sets, if not just one per year after 2026. We're reacting to things that were in motion for years.
>>96945635In-universe =/= Universes Within.Universes Within is a reprint of UB cards with the 3rd party IPs removed
>>96945644>years long cycles>still just shit out monotonous hat sets
>>96945635UW isnt really a thing so I would have to agree. Kind of a nonsensical statement though as UW relies on UB
>>96945644>backlashAvatar has been super well received and so was FF
>>96945660Spiderman flopped, TMNT is getting immense backlash before it's even out because it's overshadowing Lorwyn (a plane people actually like), etc. The secret lairs aren't being given much love either, look at the kind of trash they're pushing right now with The Office and the like. FF and LOTR are the two we can confirm are totally great in terms of sales, Avatar we're going to have to see given how many repeats of the same character there are which makes it feel like they couldn't even think of things to include. Should have had more generic benders.
>>96945655The most depressing thing about Magic is that it is a vanity project for Mark Rosewater, and yet if he were replaced Hasbro would find another corporate stooge who would stoop as low as MaRo ever did, just for different reasons.MaRo will let the game be raped so long as he can leave his mark on it. Whoever replaces him will let the game be raped so long as he gets paid
>>96945660Source?
>>96945675>shit westoid IP (spiderman) flops>great asian IP (FF) is a smash hit>anime adjacent IP (avatar) is well received>western IP that is actually good is well received despite niggerification of its UB (LOTR)there's a pattern here and (You) are in denial
>>96945684Yeah the pattern is unemployed weebs will throw money at anything they think a Jap has touched. Maybe MaRo should go around squinting to boost sales
>>96945675So one set flopped because it was a shitty set and your take away was "UB DEAD! EVERYONE HATES UB! WOTC MUST NOW KILL UB!" Are you a retard?Anyone crying about the office is a retard. It's a fucking secret lair.
>>96945690Cope
>>96945687>he is so mad
>>96945692Non-UB sets are dead because Aetherdrift flopped.
>>96945684>thing that is an entirely different genre and very cringe flops (also extended from an Aftermath style set to a full set with no planning)>strong, popular IP that is often within the same genre if not exactly the same genre succeeds >another genre-appropriate IP that is perfectly aged for the current demographic of players is well received>one of the most popular IPs on this side of the globe that is ALSO genre appropriate is well received Yeah, what exactly am I denying? I was the one who posited this information. If they could tone back how MUCH UB there is, and keep the choices on-theme to Magic's universe (LotR, FF, Avatar) and not extreme irrelevant slop that has nothing to do with Magic (Spiderman, The Office, Spongebob, Sonic), I'd be fine with UB. It's nice to eat a chocolate bar here and there, it's not good if you replace your entire diet with chocolate.
>>96945675I'm sorry anon, but Magic works 3 years ahead. By the time they get the feedback that people hated Poderman, they will have the feedback that people liked Avatar.Make no mistake, Spiderman is a huge win in the war against UB, but it was only a single battle, and they have waves of UB still to come. I can only pray that Marvel sets continue to flop, and whatever deals they made to secure it are deemed too risky to continue.
>>96945704>Make no mistake, Spiderman is a huge win in the war against UB, but it was only a single battle, and they have waves of UB still to come.Holy CRINGE
>>96945707It's true. WotC will continue chasing the dragon now that Final Fantasy was smash hit in company's books.
>>96945700>and keep the choices on-theme to Magic's universeyou act as if magic's universe in its current state is still worth protectingyou think having gundam in standard is an affront to fantasy at this point in mtg's life? lmao
>>96945716the cringe is you acting like a soldier in some war. On the battlefield of a fucking card game
>>96945723you're the one crying that UB is taking over btw
>>96945719did that gundam need 2.3333333 people to pilot it in the show? usually gundams are single person, right?
>>96945728No I am not.
>>96945719>you think having a gundam blah blah blahWhen did I say that?
>>96945737>and not extreme irrelevant slop that has nothing to do with Magiccan't wait for your tears when dragonball hits
>>96945687I mean the jap artists they've been contracting recently are just objectively better than the retards, troons and AI jeets that make most of the cards now.
>>96945745Gundam is a sci-fi fantasy mech thing, considering the type of robots that Urza/Mishra made and the sheer power to sculpt that people like Karn had, why wouldn't something like Shorikai (an already existing big mech btw) be a problem?
>>96945730gundams will be spacecraft and their pilots will be their partners in the command zone
>>96945707>>96945723Larping about being in battle is literally the game we are talking about you touristGo get a non "cringe" hobby if you don't like itWallow in your lack of authenticity
>>96945756>at least MY slop has sprinkles!
>>96945760>gundam is a sci-fi fantasy mech thing>this makes it a good fit for mtg>sonic is science fantasy (robots and advanced tech + ancient gods and magical artifacts)>but sonic is not a good fit for mtg>why? because i said so
>>96945763The partner idea is good, but the gundams should be vehicles that have "Crew [Name of their pilot]". They should have really broken effects and stats but only while they're crewed.
>>96945767the funny thing is that westoid slop is too irony pilled to put sprinkles
>>96945772>t. guy who hasn't read most of the sonic comicsSonic is a completely different genre, anon. You just know surface level things, go pick up the archie comics and get back to me in a week or so.
>>96945779>yes there are magical artifacts in sonic>i can't refute that so i'll just say you just know surface level thingsgood to see that you admit to your own biases kekw concession accepted
>>96945767Sorry but it's true, jap artists mog the losers that make most of the cards now.
>>96945787This one was definitely worth the $100 I paid for a signed copy
>>96945763what does that have to do with my question
WAKE ME UP
>>96945798It costs more than that even unsigned now so that's a great deal yeah
>>96945799because you're taking a custom card way too literally but not the idea of how wotc would actually implement gundam in mtg seriously>and no, strike freedom is for 1 pilot>mighty strike freedom is for 2
>>96945803Yeah too bad the guy that used to be my plug for JP signed cards doesn't sell anymore, or at least I haven't seen him selling anything lately. Probably too many cards with JP alts to keep up with. Though some of the signature guys have had luck with JP artists before, which is how I got my Boseiju signed.Unfortunately I've been slacking on getting cards signed, think I should work on getting my Jenara deck fully signed.
>Went from 160 cards with no clear focus to 105 cards making final cutsFeels good man.
I'm such a raped slave.>seller sends me my card order>also sends me a second letter with what was clearly someone else's order>actually message them asking if they want it back
>>96945872What on earth else would one do in this situation? I literally cannot fathom another course of action. Actually that is not true, id probably just return it without asking because the answer is obviously yes. I am incredibly white that may be part of it.
>>96941503UB is genuinely fucking up the game. TMNT will flop hard as will Marvel Heroes
>>96945888Well by law I could've just kept them but yeah I guess i'm too White as well.
>>96945872>>96945888>>96945900reminder that mtg only works in high trust societies
>>96943360CEDH is so trash as a tournament format. It can never overcome the fact that seat for has a bulkshit win percentage compared to seat one so the whole thing is based on luck of who gets to go first. That's why tournament cedh has devolved in to nothing but tryhard spergs with YouTube channels politicking, yapping and straight up cheating- and their parasocial followers who copy their behavior.
>>96945909>forFour
>>96945760I don't remember his character at all or if he did anything cool but in middle school Deathscythe and the guy who piloted him (Duo?) were my jam. I'd much rather see UB Gundam rather than UB star wars which i hope Disney never allows them to do.
>>96945909the lgs should try hosting more bracket 2/3 tournaments, that's where it's at both financially and in practical terms
Post your fav MTG memes PART 2!
>goddamn what do I even do with her>oh hey wait shit dumb Timmy cards like Searing Wind, Sorin's Vengeance, Explosive Singularity would be perfectAnd that's how I created my new favorite deck. I just draw a shitload of cards and blast people in the face every turn. It's fantastic.
>>96945825Closing in! Down to 103 cards!
>>96945937i know you're here, kingi want you to know that you're awesome
>>96945745okay but how TF is Goku blue? Green fits him far better
>>96945745>cringe localizer quote that's completely out of character
>>96945954many custom card makers put colors to match the art and not the character's lore, many such cases
>>96945952The guy he is trying to mock looks more presentable than him because he isn't 400 pounds, balding, have knuckle tattoos, or a pubic neck beard
>>96945963at least i don't have a buttcrack
>>96945968how do you shit
>>96945992Ever heard of a mouth?
>>96945959yeh but you'd expect a character as well known as Goku to you know, have custom card makes realize what colors he fits bestthe wild child, literally turns into a giant monkey, jumps into rivers to catch fish barehanded, comically inept with civilized life at times, Goku, being blue instead of green is downright silly
>>96945963Seething skinnyfat loser lmao
>>96945995no, I'm a faceless entity that only communicates through 4chan shitposting.
>>96946109based SCP anon
>>96945951the last ones are always the hardest
>>96941925I played her with morph and manifest. I used cost reduction cards to reduce the 3 mana cost to 0 and then just draw countless cards with cloudstone curio or wipe the opponent's boards or hands with words of wind/waste.Muraganda Petroglyphs works on your face down creatures, boosting them to 4/4. Forsaken Monument can boost them as well and it works with the talismans and painlands since they can produce {C}Dream Chisel, Ugin, the Ineffable, Obscuring Aether and Tezzeret, Master of the Bridge can reduce the 3 mana cost to 0.The deck comes with some special rules baggage you have to keep in mind. If you turn a creature face down due to an effect and your opponent forgets which of your face down cards is that specific creature, tough shit, you don't have to show it to them. It's something they have to remember themselves. You may not shuffle your face down cards around and must lay them out in a way that makes it clear, in what order they entered the game. And if you opt to use Manifest and/or Disguise too, you will have to make it clear for everyone which is what too.
>>96941925it's a bit slow to get going and she needs to survive a turn but once you get to lay trap cards yeah you'll feel like yugi
>>96946154>Manifest and/or Disguiseit such a shame they are different on the back and can be so easily differentiatedtho I wouldn't try to boost vanillas, especially if you run the ward 2 ones but instead jam some flash enablers like skittering cicada, the leyline, orrery or vivian
>>96946134They certainly are, but I'm already super happy with how the deck was able to get focused into something I feel like I would have fun playing instead of an unfocused mess.
Oh my god I was legit mad today. I played against a guy Ive seen around the lgs a bit but haven't had much experience with. > game 1He plays Kinnan. He keeps stating over and over that his deck is a 3 or (maybe even a 2, teehee). By the end of T3 I have a humble board consisting of Ainok Strike Leader and Soul Trader. He has Seedborn Muse, Kinnan, a dork amd scrollrack.And then he starts spamming Kinnan abilities and flooding his board with Eldrazi and shit. The entire time hes politicking like mad and insisting repeatedly that hes a 3. I finally got annoyed and started pressing him on it and saying well its not really a 3 or 2 and he put on his serious face and was all oh yes it is. So of course he wins that game after sharting all over the board.> game 2I swap to brand new just sleeved 2.5 Taii deck. He swaps to Rograkh and some black partner which was confusing cause he won with a Breach / Stitcher / Trader inf combo after entombing his wincon. This deck was also a 3 according to him and he was sure to say as much the entire game repeatedly.> game 3Motherfucking Etali is in his command zone and hes like this one is a B2!! I was sure to mention loudly that Etali is a viable cEDH commander. I was seetheing by this point and of course he got a flicker spell off Doofus so he flickered Etali and did the thing again. He won by flipping and toxicing everyone. My removal got discarded by someones wheel.> game 4He played sone actual shit I forget what it was.> game 5Kinnan back. AGAIN with the "Im just a little guy tee hee, Im just a bracket 2 technically since Kinnan isnt a gamechanger anymore, tee hee". He activates Kinnan amd I say "just cEDH things" and that rattled him. He targeted 3 of my lands with some bullshit creature that he pulled, effectively beast within on 3 of my lands. Of course I swung everything I had at him until he was out of the game. I brought my sweat deck to this round because I was so absolutely seething.
>>96945946Sounds like it could be explosive. Playing her without a partner then?
>>96945951Just need one more cut
>>96946267brackets are full of shit anon
>>96946267Nothing that was described seemed like an unfair scenario to me.
>>96946267
>>96946267ignore rage baiters.anyone who plays kinnan and etali as low power are full of shit. it takes more effort to make bad decks with them than good decks.
>>96946267We found the demographic that demanded Kinnan off the GC list. So glad Gavin caved to that.
>>96946287Made it to 100.
>>96946267>i-it's not a 3 because i lostkill yoself my man
I am feeling very autistic about running a shark as my commander and having giant mountains for my lands.
>>96946267this didn't happen, and even if it did, all of these wins are what expected from B3git gud nigger
>>96946294>>96946292>>96946391>>96946343>>96946311here's the (you) you are spamming for.
>>96946391>this didn't happenFor once, it actually did
>>96946343>>i-it's not a 3 because i lostBrother, I refuse to run inf combos because imho that shit should be banned outside cEDH.I don't care if someone wants to run bullshit Breach combos or win with Etali on T6 (which he insisted was a B2 deck btw). What I do care about is when someone cannot for one second shut up about their deck actually being low power as they win on T6 and 7 with bullshit combos 3 games in a row. Like, no that's explicitly NOT a 3 and you are a disingenuous fuck for repeatedly insisting it is
>>96946422>I refuse to run inf combos because imho that shit should be banned outside cEDHWell here's the thing, that's just likeyour opinion, man
>>96946422Or maybe it's a 3 and he's used to histrionic faggots like you who lose and IMMEDIATELY scream "BRACKET MISMATCH BRACKET MISMATCH". He's insisting because people like you make it impossible NOT to have to effectively pander and beg people to believe a deck is whatever bracket it is.>i-i lost!?!?!? >HOW COULD I LOSE??!?! I'M LITERALLY THE BEST PLAYER IN THE WORLD (Dunning-Kruger effect btw, you probably kinda suck and that's okay)>NOOOOO IT'S NOT [insert bracket it is here]>it's CEDH!! BRACKET 4!! BRACKET 5!! BRACKET 6 EVEN!!!!!!!You're why brackets could never work and why they don't, anyone beating you is automatically angleshooting and when you win it's always fair and just.
>>96943564They don't confer a major advantage. Oh no you didn't have to pay 2 of your 40 life for them to come in untapped! It's just made up boogeymen by a playerbase whose primary barometer of opinion stems from how expensive the market says a card is. The same tards who sperg about true duals are almost universally fine with Sol Ring because even though SR is the ur example of a game changing card (one dropped within the first 3 turns is a near guaranteed win in my pod) it's only $1-2 because it's been reprinted into the ground. If Underground Sea was in every xUB precon nobody would care about it popping up even in bracket 1 games.
>>96946433>anyone beating you is automatically angleshooting and when you win it's always fair and just.this but unironically.
>>96946433the insincerity is more obvious than your autism.
Crop Rotation
Cock Rotation
>so much seething about running proxied duals in low bracketLOL why yes I do play them in my ever 2 color deck, regardless of power level, without fetches just to trigger people when I get to cast high devotion cost spells
>>96946379As I see it there are three ways to go about what color a card should be:>The biome the creature, enchantment, etc. could live/occur in.>The mentality or philosophy of the card. Aggressive, emotional, logical, etc.>The literal color depicted in the artwork.I guess they went with no. 2 for this, but neither WotC nor the community is ever clear on what the correct approach would be and I don't think there is, was or will be a clear consensus on this.IMO in the case of creatures creatures, they should fit the land that can summon them. So Jaws should have been blue. Even if it's abilities won't match an aggressive monster.
>>96946705thank you, chatgpt
>>96946725>maka a serious and honest post>am now a chatbotk I'll go back to the usual code of conduct conduct:kill yourself tranny
>>96946769BASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBAAAAAAAAAASED
You got wormed nigga
>exactly 1 min later
>>96947033lmaoooo what a fuckin samefag. gotem
>>96946267>eldrazi>winning with etalis INFECTLmao. Yes this is b2/3 nonsense thoroughly.
>>96946705There is actually one way to determine color and its related to the second point you wrote. Everything else is retarded, wrong, and not how the game works.
>>96946666Nonono you can't do this
>>96941868Is this cum on her chin?
>>96947184modsmodsmods!
>seething about proxiesI run a proxied Urza, Lord High Artificer deckIt has every stax piece and every cheap counterspellIt is bracket 3 because I only run 3 game changes (rhystic study, the one ring, cyclonic rift)I play it unsleevedIt has yugioh backsI store it in rubber bandsI use pokemon water energy in place of islandsI shuffle it as roughly as possibleI doodle on it during gamesI run red cards just becauseI run every dual land just becauseI tell bracket 2 pods it's a themed deck (the theme is me winning)
>>96947195umbased?
>>96946666>>96947108>no one cared about my bait post>better samefagLol.
>>96947195I haven't had a game in 8 years
>>96947236Actually everybody claps whenever I come in and again when I start undoing the rubber bands, and I bang the qt college girl game shop employee in the bathroom every FNM...but have it your way
>>96946445the issue was never about the power level of true dualsproxying them means that not only are you a disgusting poorfag you are also pretending to be something that you can never be (that you can somehow get into an income bracket that can afford true duals)thus you give many people the ick and are given the side eye appropriately>>96946666like this icky bastard that dies to lands.dec anyways lol
>>96947324I live off government cheese and proxy all my cards. If you say shit about it I'm keying your car
>>96947195cute but you are not on my level
>>96947335>admits he's a nigger
>>96946445It is a huge advantage its just still a land that only taps for mana. Which.... is what lands do.
>>96947335LARP posts like this are so worthless like what's the point. Fuck sakes its just annoying to read.
>>96947356proxyfags desire validation that's why they act like this
>>96947324>trying to introduce classism into a tcg for childrenlmao
>>96947383>can't afford a children's card gameget filtered poorfag
It is Sunday. Please share your FNM and weekend Magic stories, good and bad.
>>96947383Magic isnt, and has never been, marketed as a children's game.
>>96941599Got a list? Im curious how it plays
looking for black cards with different effects that might get opponents off-guard, stuff like picrel.underplayed things
>>96945815>sign cardsthis reminds me i should just fake signatures and sell cards for way more than their value.thank you, anon!
>>96941599Been kinda* working on this * kinda meaning i have him on top of various discard related cards very loosely resembling something that might one day be a deck. Working towards discard/reanimator deck.
>be me>high-paying, stressful job>friday night, hit LGS for commander>pod fills, last seat is sweaty, anxious, smelly guy playing john benton>t1 Savannah printer paper into Sol Ring into Arcane Signet into Mox Opal>raise eyebrow>other players audibly sighing>“sorry, I didn’t know”>whatever, let's get this shit over with>t2 Benton into Drannith Magistrate>“sorry, I didn’t know”>t3 One Ring, Smothering Tithe>“sorry, I didn’t know”>Tabernacle scribbled on a Forest>fuck this, slam a wrath>dude pulls out teferi's protection just scribbled on his hand, ink dripping off through his sweat>“sorry, I didn’t know”>15-minute turn into combo win>“gg, sorry, I didn’t know”>pack up, friday wasted>hate this game, see you next week
>>96947484You are aware signed cards are considered damage and worth less than normal right? If youre gunna larp as some retarded scam artists have at least half a brain please.
>>96947495I sign all my own cards in cum
Are Pako and Haldan worth building? What wincons typically go with them?
>>96947538ask chatgpt faggot
>>96947410Buddies had to cancel edh night yesterday so I got a bunch of taco bell, Chinese, and beer and got really drunk, smoked a bunch of pot, ordered some cards, played some rimworld then passed out in my computer chair.
>>96947568SameI'm depressed and want to die
>>96947473bump, also interested in this.cool card btw, did not know it was a thing
>>96947473always enjoyed this one and hardly sees play
>>96947473Make treasureniggers and foodfags weep
>>96947505Thank you for another worthless post zoomie
Need help making cuts thragtusk is my boy thoughhttps://moxfield.com/decks/DfyYlncoSEiylRgt5tVfrQ
>>96945909The killing blow to my interest in cEDH is when I found out the reason why some players I admired for being able to win with weird off-meta decks being able to win in the first place is that they are manipulators with no scruples who politick their way into making other players do what they want and when they don't they cry and piss themselves and trash talk the other players for being retards who made them lose the game and use their influence to try and bully them out of the scene, and there have been numerous cases of shit like this happening in tournaments. And since I stopped playing cEDH the ID meta has firmly taken hold so thing have only gotten worse.
>>96946422Infinite combos that require 3 or more cards are perfectly acceptable in a non cEDH group.
>>96947633Multiplayer magic will always be a political game as much as if not more than a strategy game.The best outcome you can have in any bracket of EDH is winning on the spot out of nowhere with a combo. The second-best is focusing down the most threatening opponent while somehow convincing your opponents not to focus you down.The former can only be achieved with sufficient luck. The latter can only be achieved with politics.
>>96947659True, hence why multiplayer magic is inherently not viable as a competitive format.
>>96947662Political games can be competitive. I hear that some entire countries even do competitive politics.
>>96947665No they cannot and your clever little analogy doesn't change that.
>>96947473>>96947473Love this little nigga
>>96947633As much as I also complain about youtube mans, I appreciate that one guy who placed in a tournament with alexios by going "I do not concede, everyone attack him"
>>96945934EDH should never have competitive tournaments in any bracket. Even the possibility of any sort of cash/card prize inherently corrupts the spirit of the format.
>>96947473
>>96947633My pod and I do no politicking cedh, because politicking isnt competitive. And its very fun. Anti politicking is a growing sentiment in the cedh community you could probably find a similar pod.
For all of MaRo's faults, he is essentially correct about EDH in calling it "not a strategy game."
>>96947694Except hes absolutely not correct. He just hates that its not his creation lmao
>>96947473This card is actually underplayed. Used to be a staple. It's so much better nowadays with how much indestructible/hexproof faggotry there is.
>>96947574I'm not depressed though, it was actually a really enjoyable night.
>>96947703Yeah this card is unreal. Fucks over tribal, fucks over protection fucks over combo niggers. Just a great card
>>96947703>timespiral wins againit simply was a kino block.>>96947683LMAO this card is aswesome!
Is the sample collector's booster pack included in precons seeded? I got eldrazi kindred enchantment in my Eldrazi Incursion deck and I was wondering if it was supposed to be like that or was I blessed by the beings from beyond.
>>96947703it's underplayed because unless they swung everything at you and you have blockers you actually need another card to finish them off
>have neat idea for deck>start putting the cards together>hate it>scrap the idea>repeat
>>96947659>The best outcome you can have in any bracket of EDH is winning on the spot out of nowhere with a combo.correct and this is why banning jewlotus crypt and dockside were mistakesjust make them GCs already gavin
>>96946282Actually, no. I needed the not-white combo for the 32 deck challenge so I'm using Elmar, Ulvenwald Informant. Which was nice because I had this sitting around unused
>>96947383He's a temporarily embarrassed billionaire
>>96947678you've never had a game with your buddies where whoever wins gets his share of the takeout bill paid by the others?now that's lame lmao
>>96947723it's not a kill piece, you can use it to stop a protection spell saving them from a board wipe, fuck over a creature based combo, all sorts of things
>>96947768One of my MTG buddies is a big fat guy who orders a ton of food who also makes sweaty tryhard decks so no.
>>96945825Cutting is always the hardest part of deckbuilding
>>96947782>one of my buddies is a sweat>somehow we're still mtg buddies regardlessso again, why aren't we putting something on the line on a friday night? are your games really that toothless? or are you implying you can't build good decks to beat his lol
>>96947772yes and those reasons are exactly why it's underplayed, because it's not optimal
>>96947812>muh optimaloptimization is the enemy of fun
>>96947383>>96947741Silence commie
>>96947821hey i'm just explaining why it's underplayed that's allalso a card isn't fun if it's too situational which sudden spoiling happens to turn into more often than you think
>>96947812retards like you that optimized the fun out of the game should be shot
>>96947798I play EDH to have fun and relax and play big stompy Timmy decks, not spend thousands upon thousands of dollars to build a borderline CEDH deck and play 15 minute combo turns
>>96947835why again are you "mtg buddies" (implying you play with him) with a sweat that apparently doesn't have lower powered decks more appropriate to yours?
>>96947833but enough about 60 cards
>>96947470>>96947486I haven't put it online, if I remember and the thread's still up when I'm back I'll take a photo of it spread out. Biggest recent change is painful quandary. I hold it for late game but worried it brings too much heat.
>>96947857because he's a great guy outside of how he makes EDH decks.
>>96947595I wish this was 4 cost and an instant which is why I run makeshift mannequin
>>96947890if he really was a great guy he'd have the ability to read the room and create a lower powered deck for you guys btw
>>96947899you're taking this way more personally than we do
>>96947903but i'm not the one kvetching over the LGS running b2/b3 tournaments to make a profit
>>96947923it's actually why I stopped playing weekly at the LGS and went back to just the monthly friend gathering. One sweat I'm actually friends with is preferable to 20-30 sweats I barely know.
>>96947923>running bracket based tournamentsholy garbage LGS
I wonder how long until I can make a deck with the theme of "movie/tv/game quotes"Avatar also has a few.
https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/new-mazirek/?cb=1762706929Ugh, what 2 things do I cut? I was thinking these 2 Is scute swarm worth it? I dont have tons of land support, just one way to play from grave and several that sac themselves. Maybe plaguecrafter being a single edict is slightly under performing?
>>96947971>noooooo randoms must play by what i think is right
the ONLY acceptable form of EDH tournament is a precon tournament where MH3 and UB precons are banned
>>96947721They'd not seeded the same way prerelease faction packs are, but they pull from a smaller pool than the whole set. I got zhulodok from the pack in the goyf precon.
>>96948012>tournament rules are based off a beta of a rule system that isn't even defined wellgaaaaaay
>>96947986Star Trek will probably be a big boost there
>>96947812>stopping your opponents from winning the game isnt optimalPost a deck anon. To prove its yours add Ruin Ghost into the list.
>>96947986I wanted a lightning bolt named "Smile you son of a..."
How's this build?https://moxfield.com/decks/2UH57evGukyLu60L1cVvGQ
>>96948018The EOE precons take it every time
>>96948024>it's almost like sweats can, in fact, fill in the blanks that gavin left behind so that the tournament isn't a logistical nightmareoh you small minded fool
Houston mulligan rules are the superior.
>>96947703Most creature-focused strategy is ETB these days, so it doesn't do much except stall.Topor orb or Tocatli honor guard does more to hose players
>>96948100is that draw 10 keep 7? It's garbage and heavily favors combo decks, only used by angle shooters who exploit more casual players unaware of this.
>>96947703I have this in my black deck, and Dress Down in my blue deck. Love effects like these.
>>96948119yep it's garbage and only the timmiest of timmies use it
>>96948111ETBs dont work if they have no abilities you fucking retard.
>>96948162ETBs go on the stack as soon as they enter, there's no opportunity for Sudden Spoiling to stop an ETB.
>>96948100>>96948119>>96948149a shop nearby me calls this the 'boston mulligan' ("we invented it, and we're in boston" (we're not in boston)) and I agreethey apparently did it specifically because people weren't getting lands, which means everyone's a shitter.
>>96948202>mtg players, in general, are shit?!>waaatttt!!!??
>>96948066not sure I get paradise mantle, do you end up sitting around with your discard-etb dorks for a while?rankle too slow for you?also this thread really likes raven man.
>>96948162The ability triggers when it enters you mouth-breather. Learn to read. Every creature is a value pile. Very few creatures are played that don't enter and give immediate value because of how much removal and how common board wipes are in the format.Think before you speak to me, I know it's hard with your room-temp IQ
>>96948313yep, paradise mantle is for etb dorksrankle is hard to justify with aclazotz and archon already presentI could skullclamp them but I worry about mana curve more than card advantage here since making opponents discard is card advantage for me
Is anyone running a mid-power Kumena deck? I tried building it a few times and it was either spikey infinite combo stuff or just outright shit. I have failed to build it as just generating merfolk and value and I'm looking for help/ideas.
>>96948386if by "mid-power" you mean "a creature deck that doesn't have infinites but still doesn't suck" then kumena isn't your guy
>>96948409;_;Is Hakbal better? I saw lots of pretty streamlined Hakbal decks and disregarded him. Also, because I loved Kumena when he was in Standard.
>>96948560hakbal is better yesyou can just kumena in the 99
>>96948254goddamn, chuds have the cringiest fucking LARPs/daydreams I've ever read
illusionists gambit, or reins of power?
>Reclaim the deadBBBBBBBBBBBInstantReturn all creature cards and face down cards in exile to their owner's graveyard.Flashback BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
>>96948139Hell yeah bro, it's wild what you can do with cards like that
If your commander costs more than 4 mana and isn't in green then it is unplayable.
The real reason EDH will never work as a competitive format is the fourth-seat issue.At the highest level it, games are basically determined by the starting roll. There should be some scaling disadvantage to going first. Perhaps each player returns one card to the bottom of their deck for each spot removed they are from last.
>>96946394Don't group me in with those. I was agreeing it's bullshit Kinnan isn't a GC
You don't play commanders in the top 50 on EDHREC, right anon?
>>96948841>You don't play commanders in the top 50 on EDHREC, right anon?correct
>>96948841Actually, I only play the Ur-Dragon as commander, no matter what deck I'm playing.Draw-go azorius control? Ur-Dragon.Hare Apparent go-wide? Ur-Dragon.Low-curve Boros aggro? Ur-Dragon.Orzhov aristocrats? Ur-Dragon.It works because my commander is five colors, so my opponents never know what I'll be going for. I can also switch plans mid-game.I haven't won a match since 2018 battlecruiser EDH, but it's worth it.
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>>96948872quite based, if factual
>>96943501No. That's a him problem. You do you.
>>96948336>be wrong>get angry and think that makes you look goodOkay.
>>96948920>namefag thinks it's okay to proxy dual landsChecks out.
>>96948923>waited an hour to respond>n-no youfuck off you shit player.>>96948841I've never looked at list so I wouldn't know
>>96948841I've been playing Kaalia since before EDHrec existed and I'm not going to stop
>mogs your commander
>>96948841>118>132>163>182>607>673>668>762>953>1387>1187>2219>2859more hipster than you
>>96948990What are the 2000s?
>mogs your low-pick commander
>Friend in playgroup says all we do is play "wheel-counterspell" and never let him do anything (context is I used Cryptic Command to tap all his creatures one time to deny him lethal)>He goes to play his first public game>His opponents are two control decks with no winconI feel bad for him but at the same time I hope he woke up after this experience
>gets laid and therefore mogs you irl
>>96948992Anya and RaziaAnya: Run group punish+slug effects, make non-legendaty copies of AnyaRazia:prEDH deck, more of a pet project
>not playing all Japanese and Italian cards and asking opponents "wait, what does this say?"I have a 30 game win streak because my opponents all scoop
>>96948934He isn't wrong
>>96948725We need more 1-2c cards with hilariously large amounts of pips on them. Progenitus is cheating cuz it's 5c
>>969488413 of mine are in the top 50 but I rarely use them so I'll tell my other ones>#378>#474>#467>#104>#139>#719>#946>#100
>>96949057>poorfag says
I will never play UB cardsI will never play hat cardsI will never play a card whose cheapest printing is more than $20 that I did not pull or trade for personally.
>96949135classic pds post
>>96948792>If your commander costs more than 4 mana and isn't in green then it is unplayable.>If your commander is green but costs more than 6 mana then it is unplayable.with few exceptions, yes, this is the prevailing wisdom>>96948829>I was agreeing it's bullshit Kinnan isn't a GCit seems gavin wants b2 to be distinct from b1 in the sense that you actually have to interact with your opponents now; hopefully this causes a rise in spot removal to kill a 2/2
>>96949155(You)
>>96949180thanks!
>>96949155>>If your commander is green but costs more than 6 mana then it is unplayable.>blocks your path
>>96949333>with few exceptions
>>96948841>1,663>1,583>835>564>474>190This is how my current deck line sits now. Wouldn't have expected Orvar to have the most lists out of the decks I primarily play.
>>96949155>it seems gavin wants b2 to be distinct from b1 in the sense that you actually have to interact with your opponents now; hopefully this causes a rise in spot removal to kill a 2/2Ya and somehow I didnt have it. Which is partially an issue with my deck, but most decks cant realistically run like 10+ pieces of creature specific spot removal. If you dont have it by T2/3 then its kind of already too late.> But it dies to le removalreddit meme-tier take
>>96948841the real cutoff is top 100 anon everyone knows that
>>96949386If your commander is top 1000 then get the FUCK off my table
>>969488412 in the top 100, but the other 6 I play with any regularity are outside the top 1000
>>96949405>other 6 I play with any regularity are outside the top 1000Post em!
>>96949368>most decks cant realistically run like 10+ pieces of creature specific spot removalcontrol decks can and thank god they have a reason to exist now and that people would be begging for more of them to deal with kinnans
>>96948841Whether or not somebody has the same idea as me has no bearing on what I find enjoyment in
>>96949408>UBslopThis is how you can tell I'm not lying about the other decks.
>>96949460A fine selection, anon
>>96948841I'm the biggest hipster on this board. Not even in the top 200.322446612137714301547182420632343
>>96948254Why do you have such a lolcow mega cringe WORDS WORDS WORDS image saved lmao
>>96948841190313652701823940982100613703,617I try
>>96949135this but 10€
>>96948841People who worry about other's perceptions of them are incredibly pathetic. I'm sure all my commanders are in the top 10 if I could be bothered to look. I don't care, I have responsibilities and goals, and my leisure time is limited so I play what I enjoy and I don't worry about what some under/unemployed manchild who has made some corporate owned trading card game their source of pride and achievement thinks.
>>96949609why are you so defensive lol
>>96949609yet, here you are
>>96949413>control decks canFunny thing is my Taii deck probably would have had a very playable matchup into Kinnan, but out of the 5 games we played, I played Taii for 3 and him Kinnan for 2 and we didn't cross them over at all
>>96947649>Infinite combos that require 3 or more cards are perfectly acceptable in a non cEDH group.There is a huge difference between happening to have an infinite combo in your deck, and having a deck built around infinite combos. If your deck is centered around executing an infinite combo, it is fundamentally different from "Optimized" decks. If you run 1 CMC tutors to fetch your combo, it is NOT the same thing as a B3 deck, and if you insist that it is, you are angleshooting brackets to pubstomp in a way which is antagonistic to everyrhing the format is supposed to be
>>96949853>If you run 1 CMC tutors to fetch your combo, it is NOT the same thing as a B3 deckproof next thread angleschizo?
>>96941446>TQTurbo decks. Hate how slow control and stax decks are. Midrange is okay but they vary. Played only precon games with friends yesterday and the only one that really got to do anything was the C14 Freyalise one and that’s basically a mid-range deck. The FF7 one fucking sucks.
>>96949853No it is perfectly the type of "casual yet optimized" powerlevel I expect to see at a Bracket 3 table. It's faggots like you who are too proud to admit that their shit brews aren't good enough for that bracket that are the problem. If you have a problem with people playing with ending the game in mind go play at a bracket 1 table.
Holy cringe. My god.
