Previous: >>96941446Help me Onii-chan I'm trapped in the braid again! edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQHave you ever witnessed (or had) a meltdown over stax?
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>>96952579go fast eat ass
>>96952585>"Clever girl.">Robert Muldoon, last wordshuge miss
>>96952565I've witnessed probably 3 to 4 times after 5 years of playing. Where someone has a relatively staxy deck and the rest of the pod goes "ok you win change the deck" after turn 5, and then they just play something different.
>>96952565Amusingly, the only stax related melty I've seen was from the stax player once his stax pieces kept getting destroyed or played around. One of the very few times I've seen a public real-life ragequit.
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>>96952579With the hybrid mana changes coming I hope the default for future commanders over 2 colors is hybrid mana exclusively. I'm tired of having to build 3+ color slop piles for every remotely interesting commander, I want the option to build them dual or even mono-color>inb4 some faggot says 'u can already tard!'No, if your commander requires a third color or more to cast you can't without making your deck extremely awkward and subverting one of the best things about mono/2: the more consistent mana base you don't need to drop 300 dollars on.>inb4 some faggot says 'u don't need every shock and fetch tard'Yes if you want to win you do so stfu.
>>96952565No, I’ve never seen a stax melty. Why? Because the pod I play with despises any type of interaction with other people’s board states, aside from removing people’s commanders. It’s actually bullshit. The worst of the bunch (who spends the most money on his decks) scowled at me when I floated the idea of building this as my monoblack. “Oh, so it’s just removal tribal? Gay.”They can’t stand playing against theft, counterspells, removal, mill, alternate wincons, infect, “cheating out cards”, or even using the stack. “the stack is so gay bro”. It drives me up the fucking wall because I have eight decks that all have different play styles and I can use half of them. I can’t use Bill Ferny because monoblue is gay, I can’t use my Orzhov theft deck because theft is gay, I can’t use Narset or Ureni because playing cards for free is gay, I can’t Hakbal because simic is gay, so basically all I play is lifegain selesnya with no interaction. But heaven forbid I fucking want to build a Voltron Miststalker commander with hexproof, and then it’s “oh anon we can't interact with your boardstate so you’re basically playing solitaire”.So fucking bothersome
>>96952627>the more consistent mana base you don't need to drop 300 dollars on.Just use proxies
>>96952644i have a fully proxied cedh rogsi w/ jewlotus dockside and crypt btw
>>96952658Dockside getting unbanned?!?!?
>>96952673all three of them are 100% GCs in waitingthey are reprint equity wotc is throwing away because of a retarded RC and the cards have no reason to be banned in principle, they're not shahrazad or nadu
>>96952687nah there needs to be way more bans than the RC had the balls to, nor will Hasbro's stone bleeding CEOs will allow.
>>96952701>there needs to be way more bansno thanks, i know what little it takes to rustle casual's jimmies
>>96952619I want to make offspring tokens with general kreat
>>96952706Casuals aren't rustled by banning problem cards.
>>96952717>problem cardsname 10
>>96952721Not really relevant to what I said. the casual commander players were utterly indifferent when dockside and jeweled lotus were banned.casual players usually only cheer on bans, if anything.
>>96952725and with the creation of the GC list casuals can now stay in their lane at b1 and b2 free from the evils of jewlotus and co. while others can play with them at b3+>ofc casuals will refuse to acknowledge this, precisely because they're casuals and don't know any better
Im so mad guys I actually crashed out> Game 1Guy shows Tymna/Kraum as his deck. I reach in to my pack and pull out Grand Arbiter Augistin> Im a 3. I dont like cEDH. What bracket is Augistin? Thats a game changer right?> Hu...what?> I dont like playing cEDH, my deck is a 3So I reluctantly pull out my upgraded Zurgo precon. I play a mana rock on T2 and Zurgo on T3. He plays Ponder into Preordain into Mox Opal then Mox Amber and Brain Freeze. Next turn he plays Underworld Breach and discards his hand with LED. He shrugs. "Its a bracket 3 deck, you can check my Archidekt list".> Game 2He has Najeela> Im a 3. This deck is a 3.I am mad at this point. I decide to play my Narset deck because I need a win to take the edge off. He Entombs his Leonin Relic Warder. He attempts to resolve an animate dead onto Leonin Relic Warder. I Fierce Guardianship his Animate Dead. "Im a 3 bro, this deck is a 3. I dont like playing with game changers." I attack with Narset. I cast an Expropriate for free. I couldnt help myself. I smirked and said this used to be a game changer but its a good thing its not anymore. My deck could be a 3. Then I told him that if I EVER catch him bracketbusting at my LGS again I would put his youtube channel in my next WotC UB feedback survey.
>>96952738I can't really tell what you're baiting at anymore, if anything you kinda backhanded B3+ players.
>>96952743you talked about this last thread already
>>96952725Truth. Casual players aren't gonna spend 200 dollars on a crypt, 80 on a dockside and another 75 on JewLo. They might proxy those cards but either way the bans didn't affect them. Only cEDH sweats and "investors" lost their shit about those bans.
>>96952748you severely underestimate the 3 GC limit in b3, alongside the idea that you can't consistently kill the table before turn 63 GCs don't make a cedh deck
>>96952627> I want the option to build them dual or even mono-colorIt's already possible for you to do this.Beyond that, you do not need literally *every* fetch and shock, for christ sakes.
>>96952754>Casual players aren't gonna spend 200 dollars on a crypt, 80 on a dockside and another 75 on JewLo.but casuals are 100% the biggest openers of very expensive (insert UB IP here) product that happens to have those cards as chase so in a roundabout way they buy them too lol
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>96952774sure they crack packs because they want the shiny foiled waifu card, but they aren't out to crack an entire playset or a mechanically busted card.apples to oranges I'd say.
>>96952721>>problem cards>name 10Vampiric TutorMox AmberMox OpalGaeas CradleRhystic StudyMystic RemoraAnimate DeadUnderworld BreachCounterspellFlubs
>>96952785>sure they crack packs because they want the shiny foiled waifu cardyes and if they don't get their waifu what do you think they could sell so they can further fund their pack cracking?reprint equity is a real thing that gives sets value, urborg tomb of yawgmoth isn't reprinted a lot for a reason
>>96952806they will sale the cards off as quickly as possible, they aren't going to haggle and negotiate for top dollar.
>>96952789>counterspell>flubsyou're trying too hard
>>96952641>The worst of the bunch (who spends the most money on his decks) scowled at me when I floated the idea of building this as my monoblack. “Oh, so it’s just removal tribal? Gay.”Brother if you want removal tribal in black, this guy would be it
>>96952816whether people sell asap for a quick buck or hold off for potentially more money is irrelevantbanning powerful cards that don't need to be banned hurts value of future sets because it fucks up reprint equity, simple as
>>96952819>>counterspell>>flubs>you're trying too hardCounterspell was a joke obviouslyFlubs is broken and Im tired of pretending its not
>>96952828Flubs isn't broken, but anybody who plays him is guaranteed to be a faggot who takes 15 minute non-deterministic turns
>>96952826finance bros shouldn't be making decisions regarding the balance of the game.
>>96952847the GC list will protect you from the mean ol' dockside don't worry
>>96952856alright lemme ask you something.Is there any card, banned or not, that should stay/be banned, in your opinion?
>>96952860will eventually become GCs:BiorhythmDockside ExtortionistEmrakul, the Aeons TornGolos, Tireless PilgrimGriselbrandJeweled LotusLeovold, Emissary of TrestMana CryptPrimeval TitanProphet of KruphixRecurring NightmareRofellos, Llanowar EmissarySundering TitanSylvan PrimordialYawgmoth's Bargainyou can't refute this
>>96952869I didn't ask about any of that.
>>96952874these are banned cards that will be unbanned so anything not there will remain banned ofc
>>96952860channelpower 9 sans timetwisterfalling star + chaos orbflashkarakasshahrazadtime vaulttrade secrets
>>96952877I asked for your opinion on what should be banned, not what you assume will or will not be.I assumed all those cards would be unbanned by Hasbro the moment the RC dissolved.
>>96952721Rhystic StudySmothering TitheThe One RingUnderworld BreachMana DrainFierce GuardianshipDeflecting SwatNecropotenceSkullclampWinter Orb
>>96952921>Skullclampdelet
>>96952602>>96952565It's usually more like >>96952609 said. It doesn't help that most stax EDH players can't help but act like Yugioh characters. They will either brag and boast like "Heh. None of you guys are gonna like this play. Your stuff costs more now. Hahaha" or they will try and act like they're just weak widdle ol' do-nothing cards.My favorite was a local player at my shop who would always do the former, and would make a big point of announcing how dreadful and oppressive his plays would be, while locking the table down with no payoff. When we just decided to kill him with what we already had out so we could actually play the game, he got mad and slammed the table. The next game, he would gripe and shout and get mad if somebody targeted his stuff (he was playing Kaalia this time). To his credit, throwing a tantrum worked since it got some people to take back their removal lol.>>96952627> I'm tired of having to build 3+ color slop piles for every remotely interesting commanderBut anon, you don't have to do that at all.
>>96952884>I asked for your opinion on what should be banned,ok then>ante cards>dexterity cards>logistical nightmares like shahrazad>anything P9 or prohibitively expensive RL card like library of alexandria for optics purposes>cards that "time wasters that grind games to a halt" that can be abused, like paradox engine, iona, balance, karakas, erayo, limited resources, and upheaval, wotc hates these cards and have a bias against them>egregious design mistakes that embarass wotc, like nadu and lutri>if it's a blue card, it will most likely stay banned because blue doesn't need any more power (tolarian, tinker, flash, time walk, hullbreacher)>the best and second best mana producers in the game (channel, fastbond)>the best combo piece in the game (time vault)>"hey i want to be kingmaker very blatantly and in your face" (trade secrets)you also can't refute this
>>96952949sounds like you don't trust the GC brackets to balance your games for you. Back to B1 for you.
>Retard at store bitches literally every time you interact with him at all>Tries to build a deck that does nothing but counter yours but he's so shit at it he can't even do that right>Then tries to build the same archetype as you but fucks that up too>He still refuses to acknowledge that maybe his initial perception of the game was a little incorrect and instead just lives in delusional fantasyland where you're going out of your way to do nothing but oppress himWhy yes I could talk more about this guy because it seems that despite playing for a year and literally everyone at the table trying to help and support him, he still has this shitty mentality.
>>96952960>since there's a GC everything should be banned>primetime is totally the same as channel guys!you lost, GG
>>96952960>sounds like you don't trust the GC brackets to balance your games for youRetardOrFalse flagging as opposing side to make that side look worseCall it
>>96952969>reprint value matters to me>its up to me to decide where to draw the line what can be a GCplease be less obvious.
>>96952983>still no argument why cards like recurring nightmare should remain banned btw
>>96952991strawman or moved goalpost.Call it.
>>96952997B1 baby or B2 baby? Call it.
>>96952565>Have you ever witnessed (or had) a meltdown over stax?I have never melted down from a game of mtg in my life, but I have witnessed and caused many.
>>96952969Primetime is based as fuck. If Lumra is allowed to exist, no reason Primetime shouldn't get unbanned.
>>96953013finally, a man of culture ITT
>>96953002>b3 and above self aggrandizing sweat lordi bet you threw a tantrum when dockside and jeweled lotus got banned.
>>96952963Is this his first cardgame or something? How does someone end up like that?
>>96952565>TQ:a few times when I first started playing due to me being a noobnowadays it's fun to occasionally make people groan at LGS when I play my Braids deck
>>96953017Xie also posted a victory post on Reddit when Kinnan was unbanned.
>>96953019I would think after a year he would be used to the idea of people maybe putting some resistance to him swinging for lethal damage.He gets fogged one time then has a meltdown about me "playing on his turn".
Where did we settle on the hybrid debate? /edhg/ is pro change right?
>>96953096No.
>>96953096No of course not.
I approve of it. Middle fingers to all the haters.
>>96953096We're with Trinket Mage and boycotting Lorwyn to protest the change.
I say ban ALL Reserved list cards for EDH so that game always stays affordable and bitch ass gate keepers can't bitch over my proxied volcanic island
I'm old school and I have no knowledge of this bracket shit. How do I know what my decks are? Because people ask what bracket and on a broad spectrum I've got no fucking idea, I make them silly or strong I don't know how else to categorise it.
>"ANGLESHOOTERS could be here" he thought, "I've never been in this LGS before. There could be ANGLESHOOTERS anywhere." The cool wind felt good against his bare chest. "I HATE ANGLESHOOTERS" he thought. Secret lairs renovated his entire deck, making it pulsate even as the $9 anime waifu printing circulated through his command zone and washed away his (merited) fear of brackets after dark. "With a card, you can draw more cards" he said to himself, out loud.
>>96953139>SillyBracket 2>Silly (Fake)Bracket 3>StrongBracket 4
>>96952565TQ: Yes, but from the stax player themselves. Everyone was wailing on them because they were wide open and everyone was very familiar with their stax deck. They kept screeching "but why are you attacking me I'm not doing anything, it's not a stax deck, I don't even have a boardstate yet!"
>>96953016Lumra is 5x more pushed and broken than this and Lumra is fine.
Hey bros, I'm looking for some commander recommendations for a new player. I dislike EDH and usually just play Premodern, Legacy and Cube, but am playing it for the benefit of others. Some context, please read because it's important:My cousin's fiance (A) who is a casual player that only plays with friends at home, is coming to visit for a couple of months and would like to introduce her (S) to the game. We're going to play with a pod of myself, my mother (D) - who I have constructed a simple Zegana merfolk deck for - my cousin and her fiance. S usually likes zombie games like Dead by Daylight, Left 4 Dead, Dead Island etc, 3D RPGs like Bioshock, Fallout, Elder Scrolls, MMOs and coop or casual games. She's also a biologist and worked with insects.I'm picking some commanders in themes related to these and intend to present them to her, along with a brief description of the deck in layman's terms, of the deck. I want to keep things fairly simple and avoid commanders - and other cards - with 10 lines of rules text, transform, unintuitive abilities etc. Would like to avoid universes beyond cards too. Any other recommendations?Kaalia of the Vast - Cheat stuff in tribalBraids Cabal Minion - Pox/stax??? - Zombie tribal??? - Insect tribalZedruu or something - Support/coopAlternatively I'll just ask her to describe a fantasy trope she'd like to play as and I'll find something to fit it.
>>96953218Sorry one more thing: Obviously we're just playing kitchen table so budget isn't a concern but are also not looking to construct cEDH decks. The intention is to have mostly bad cards with a dusting of broken haymakers.
>>96953218Don't do Kaalia. It's inherently unfun for somebody. You're either cheating out busted stuff and running over the table (if the table sucks) or you will never ever get a chance to swing with Kaalia (any non-retarded table).
>>96953139Roughly when does your deck win:It doesn't: Bracket 1turn 9+: Bracket 2Turn 7+: Bracket 3Turn 4+: Bracket 4Turn 1-3: Bracket 5 (cedh)I don't know (when my creatures can get through and kill people I guess): Bracket 2I don't know (stax, combo, control): Bracket 3
>>96953218>>96953220Also, you can make a very powerful, but also very fair Zegana deck. I played her a lot and my deck was all just ramp and big green/blue fatties. You spam ramp early game, then throw down haymaker threats a couple turns early. Then you keep playing them until you need to restock on cards. At that point you play your general and draw like 7 cards lol. Then you have more threats and ramp. Super fair and pretty effective.
>>96953257Brackets are as useful as astrology
>>96953257I build all my bracket 2 decks around being able to kill at least one player by t6
>>96953218Thraximundar or Grimgrin as commander for zombie tribal, if going for grixis option then grimgrin goes in the 99, red offers little for zombie tribal theme but adds a plethora of other broken combos depending how many haymakers you want to add. Or just simply add gamble, mass hysteria and underworld breach as the only red cards, but grimgrin is a casual zombie tribal all star, super fun to play, making it 2 colors helps newer players find their colors and cast their spells. I’d pick between those 2.
Anyone got any experience building/playing Ziatora or Kresh? I've noticed they share a lot of cards and both play in the 99 of the other but which one do you prefer?
>>96953019It's what happens when EDH is the only format someone has ever played.
>>96953313I build Ziatora as a treason/sacrifice deck. Its cruel and oppressive.
Free my nigga Erayo.
>>96952619Gobbo supremacy
Does this actually work? Thromok devours protean hulk (and other tokens), protena hulk fetches terror of the peaks. Does terror see thromok enter?
>>96953313I like Ziatora since she can do the whole simple and direct play a bunch of big creatures while getting in with them thing nicely and she also throws them herself for additional damage and value. I like the versatility her being able to target anything gives and the treasures she makes. Kresh is cool if you like getting constant death value focused on one big guy. Which is fun but I think a bit more fragile.
>>96953352Keep on believing, brother
>>96952565>TQOnly once, but it wasn't that bad. It was a three player pod, I was playing kami of the crescent moon stax vs a monored dragonhawk player (player A) and another player who was on some selesnya deck (Player B). I had a quicksilver fountain out and B, who had ramped a bit, kept playing lands while all A's lands were islands, so A got mad at B. I had a frozen aether out with meishin the mind cage and static orb, and when I countered B's farewell he scooped and got a little huffy, that's about it.Next time I played the deck against him he had tunnel vision on me (while I was just drawing him extra cards at that point), and then he got blindsided by another player throwing out a lethal vapors after a boardwipe, which hosed his deck. That was pretty funny.
I kinda wanna build this girl, she seems fair enough to not be giga broken but still winnable in bracket 2 or 3. Not sure how to approach it. Adventure tribal? small creatures + small noncreatures? just ramp + creatures?
>>96953479I'm gonna keep it a buck with you; this general sucks ass. She doesn't do anything unique, and she isn't unique enough to be interesting. Her one gimmick is too expensive and slow to be useful. She also isn't good in any strategy that is good in EDH. You might play her in a 60-card deck as the top-end of an aggressive deck, but that means nothing in EDH. Of the three options you listed, all of them are equally viable and equally bad. If you're playing aggro, just play Surrak Dragonclaw or something, at least. The question you have to ask yourself is "What do I get from playing this general?" IDK bro, it just seems like such a boring card. I genuinely don't see the appeal. It's both boring and weak as a general
>>96952565so avatar is the best set of all time right?
>>96952595actually his last words were more>AIIIGHEEEE ARRRRGHHH AIIIIEEE
>>96952565>Have you ever witnessed (or had) a meltdown over stax?Closest I ever saw was a guy who tossed out a stax piece on turn 2 (I forget which) and was promptly killed by turn 4 and then was pretty depressed with it. People killed him because they needed that shit gone and didn't have removal for it, but he had nothing on his board but a shitty stax pieceI've never seen anyone cry over stax itself. Most in my pod will run some stax effect. I run rule of law in one of my decks.
>>96953257Thank you for reminding me why I don't use this system!>bracket 2 is 9 turnsSo I need to misplay precons? Cause they can win easily before turn 9
>>96952687The RC decision is completely reasonable, there are two aspects of fast mana that become a problem. Density and raw mana generation. The ban addressed both eloquently, allowing for less frequent but still impactful explosive start without effectively paying to be several turns ahead.So sorry, you actually have to play the game now.
>>96953257I don't think that's the turn count they used in the official blog, you just made this up faggot
Almost done building this one. Does anyone have any recommendations on what to cut (or add/change)?
>>96953581have you thought of adding some slivers maybe?
>>96953581Add ancestral visions, it's another great suspend hit like profane tutor.Crystal Shard is a good option for both protecting your creatures and double dipping on the cascades.Cut sol ring and the zero mana rocks and option for a couple of land based ramp pieces instead, in the long run it makes your cascades more consistent.
>>96953581If you cut mana drain and pulmonic sliver you can add jegantha as a companion. If you don't want to do that, I'd recommend living end. Worse now in farewell meta but it's otherwise the best way for sliver decks to rebuild.
Once a land hits the graveyard I have to choose one effect or the other right? I can't exile the land for a golem and then bring it back from Earthbend? The cards read to me as if I can but I feel like it shouldn't.
>>96952641>Because the pod I play with despises any type of interaction with other people’s board states, aside from removing people’s commanders.It is kind of surprising how often this happens in my friend group and the few times I play with randoms with my Captain Sisay deck. They’ll always target Sisay which is fair enough, but they’ll never target the mana dorks that allow me to get her out by turn 2 or turn 3. It gets even funnier when the whole table knows every other person has the option to remove Sisay but none of them want to be the one “wasting my turn on removal” when they could be doing their deck’s “thing”. If they did that more often I wouldn’t be winning with it as consistently against them as I do. Fortunately the people I work with all play high B4 / fringe cEDH and are usually smart enough to know when to nuke dorks when they can.
>>96953525Generally speaking, last words refers to the last coherent words or sentence they say, not random screams or death gurgles.
>>96953134If WotC have no intention of reprinting RL cards I could see it happening at some point in time. That being said I reckon they will ditch the RL if we see the MtG bubble burst and Hasbro needs WotC to do something to keep themselves alive.
>>96953617>Cut sol ring and the zero mana rocksHuh, and here I thought the 0 rocks would be good for cascade. I've got ancestral vision and lotus bloom coming for more suspend shenanigans. What ramp should I add? Stuff like Far Seek?>>96953618I might try Jegantha. First Sliver on their own seems to do well at rebuilding, and Teferi and Mana Drain (sorta) help protect against a farewell. It's definitely an issue though because fuck farewell.>>96953597Good point, I don't think I have enough.
>>96953515>generalok boomersurrak dragonclaw does nothing btwthis at least draws some cards,grows to be a 2-3shot commander damage threat and blocks while being agressive
>>96953687Yeah I think stuff like farseek would be better, although chrome mox is keepable I guess because it's good fixing. Think about it like this, if you cascade with a one mana sliver and your 0 mana cards are ancestral vision and profane tutor then you're guaranteed a great hit no matter what, lotus bloom can also be decent, but at that stage of the game cascading into chrome mox or mox amber is just plain mediocre. Likewise if you're cascading with a two mana sliver you're guaranteed either one of those zero mana cards or one of your one mana slivers, both are better options than sol ring, not like sol ring is terrible but two colorless mana at that point, especially in a deck so heavy on the colored pips, is just meh.
>>96953726I guess the argument for the moxes is "but what if I pull them early in hand instead of a cascade" since at least chrome will get you to casting First faster. I'll probably cut amber and sol ring though and put in a farseek and/or ancestral vision.
>>96953771It's a trade off between sometimes having faster starts and lowering the overall consistency of your cascades, I think in the long run you'll be screwed over by cascading into a mana rock you don't need more often than by not being able to ramp fast enough. Of course you can always cascade into farseek or whatever with a 3 mana sliver but you'll always have less control over your cascades the higher the mana value you go, that's just how it is.
>>96953683Generally it is just attributed to the last thing anyone heard the person say or the last thing they wrote.t. Read every single "last word" page on wikipedia last week
>>96953320everyone should be forced to play things they hate before playing things they want. It makes total sense.
>>96953705>ok boomerYes, I'm old. I've been playing Magic since before you were born, so maybe you should listen to my advice. Surrak doesn't have some durdly do-thing-draw-card ability, but he is actually playable if you want some sort of creature-focused aggro deck. What Surrak does is dodges counterspells and instant-speed removal, while also protecting the rest of your board and giving trample. He requires no other inputs to be effective. Your guy requires two different types of spells to be cast to get his effect once per turn on your turn. His effect is also not particularly strong. >this at least draws some cards,grows to be a 2-3shot commander damage threat and blocks while being agressiveIt won't draw any cards unless you've played a noncreature on the same turn you play it. It also doesn't have haste or flash, and only has ward 1. So on the rare case that it actually threatens your opponents, they will just counter or kill it, since you likely won't get value for a couple turns. You're imagining a world where you play this guy, you always have the cards and mana to trigger his effect, and nobody removes him for several turns. The truth is that he is too slow to be a threat, too weak and non-impactful to get you any real value, and on the rare occasion he does do something he will be killed immediately. Surrak can flash-block and is bigger. Surrak is also more aggressive because you can swing with him as soson as you cast him, and he makes your guys uncounterable and grants trample.Just to be clear, this isn't me gooning off about how great Surrak is. It's just that you've chosen a do-nothing general that wants to play a lot of creatures, and Surrak is just better for those strategies, while not being Animar-tier busted.
>>96953705>>96953479If you won't consider advice on your general, and are hard-stuck onto this dude, then I recommend running a bunch of cantrips and low-cost instants. Charms are good. Ponder. You can't even run pumps though because the ability is precombat only on your turn. This guy CLEARLY wants some sort of tempo/aggro strategy, but that won't work in a 4-player 40-life game. What is your actual vision of how you win the game?
>>96953581Looks like its going to need a lot of work
>>96953794Fair, I'll give it a try.>>96953896Explain.
>>96953479Cute girlPut cards in
>>96953797>last thing anyone heard the person say>sayScreaming isn't saying anything
>>96952565>sit down at a pod, we all pull out our commanders>one of them is a player that habitually plays his proclaimed "brackets 4, almost cedh" yuna deck>second player pulls out a hirobi deck>yuna player keeps slamming cards down with no protection >gets removed>he finally removes horobi>gets reanimated>me and other player are playing slow while we set up non-creature engines or protection before comitting>yuna player rages that us two aren't doing anything to progress the game>try to explain that we don't want to play things just to have them removed immediately, and how to play against control>he doesn't listen, draws all the removal>scoops and calls it "unfun monoblack stax">we eventually have permanents to survive horobi>game ends a few turns later with a big alpha strike
>>96953950
Is it poor form to concede when an opponent is durdling on their infinite loop? Whether it be playing, and sacking and replaying an exponential amount of lands or scrying their entire deck?
>>96953904Seems very all in on the commander but without enough ramp to make it happen consistently on turn 4 with very little draw and protection
>>96953998It's poor form to not demonstrate the loop and end the game. It's actually a rules violation for someone to waste time by running a deterministic loop multiple times for no reason. He should run it once or twice to demonstrate it, then say how many times he will execute it. If it is non-deterministic (IE: you don't know how it will end), then you have to wait it out to see if he has it. It isn't bad form to scoop in that circumstance. I'd actually argue that in casual games scrying your entire deck card-by-card is the real asshole move.
>>96954013But I want my opponent to have to keep doing the loop because odds are he'll fuck it up if he has to manually do it 1000 times. Then I can win
>>96954026Power to you. I always make them play it out until they can demonstrate that it works. I will say that you're crossing the line into bad sportsmanship if you try and force someone into repeating an infinite loop 1000 times. Also, they don't need to. As I mentioned earlier, they can simply demonstrate the loop one complete time, then say that they are repeating it N times, at which point it happens as stated until somebody decides to interrupt it.
>>96954026You can't demand that, a deterministic loop can be shortcuted to an arbitrarily large number once the loop is demonstrated.
>>96953950this but I'm being targeted with anything I play by all 3
About to take my 2nd deck to its first event tomorrow, wish me luck bros!https://moxfield.com/decks/Uw9H7PYqjkaCPIkZNxmNSQGetting an Exploration off someone tomorrow too, what could i take out for it?
>>96954003First Sliver's gimmick balling out of control the moment it hits the board. Protection is nice, but generally First can just instantly rebuild if removal is used. Mana Drain, Deflecting Swat, and Teferi help protect a bit too. You also generally want as many Slivers as possible and as few other things as possible, since you don't want to pull junk or rocks during your cascades.
>>96954166I always feel that the greenwarden is overkill.
I've been looking for a deck where I win with non-combat damage. Not Infinite damage but in big chunks like 8+ I was using this guy with etb burns but its kinda janky. Any recommends?
>>96954220Maybe but isn't it good to have a lot of redundancy for land recursion effects for this deck in particular?
>>96954228Valgavoth group slug? Put in stuff like Solphim, Bloodletter of Aclazotz and Terror of the Peaks and go crazy.
>>96952963I'm gonna assume you're the asshole in the wrong here
>>96953562>The RC decision is completely reasonablethey were a stagnant organization for the longest time
>>96954228Terror of the Peaks + Devastating Onslaught/that guy who makes 5 tokens from MoM is probably the funniest way to do it in mono red while still keeping two game pieces that are worthwhile outside the combo. If you switch into a commander with blue that really opens up more options for the combo too
>>96954245Bloodletter only works during your turn which is not how Valvagoth Works
>>96954166>citadelyou really couldn't let that go huh? lolkindly tell us how your B3 event went afterwards
Why they print Kefka on an ultimatum he cant use
I had my entire table crash out over this card. am I right?1. This can block unblockable creatures2. This does not 'declare blockers', it's entered blocking like 'tapped and attacking' triggersA token created by Mirror Match will be blocking the creature it’s copying even if that creature can’t be blocked or has an ability that would stop the token creature from blocking it (such as menace or protection). This is also true even if the token creature has an ability that would stop it from being declared as a blocker.(2015-11-04)
>>96954373because it's actually emperor gestahl's card but since real life money is a thing kefka has to take the spotlight
>>96954279which clearly was for the best
>>96952673People are still coping about it, yeah. Allow them to. It just makes it funny as time goes on
>>96954417the RC is no more which is for the best correct
>>96954458RC setup the most popular format in magics history, while wizards has destroyed all other formats and are already planning rule changes to accommodate new sets
>>96954423look at the people actually coping lmao>>96954471
>>96954478feel free to contradict me with any kind of evidence
>>96953638Earthbend triggers on die or exile.So it would trigger when it hit the graveyard, same time as Brenard trigger. You get to decide the order of triggers, so you would EITHER get a land token or the land back.
>>96954471>trust us everyone, Gavin is a real cool guy and he's your pal and we wouldn't think of doing something as overtly obvious as changing the rules to sell more packs>by the way Vehicles can be comanders now, buy our new vehicle commander preconThat waited like half a year to abuse their power.
>>96954485the dissolution of the RC is all the proof one needs of its irrelevance>if it was any good it wouldn't be gone, duh
>>96954478I don't see what that has to do with my post
>>96954490>they made vehicles commanders to sell packs!Well that didn't work since the best possible vehicle commanders were a precon cards from 2 to 3 years ago.
>>96954279By design and for good reasonYou do not need to adjust the ban list for a kitchen table format like you do for a competitive oneSheldon't was a dumbass but this hands off approach is easily one of the biggest reasons I fell in love with the format in 2012
>>96954515Also I'm well aware it wasnt just him but he was a vocal proponent of the laissez faire approach
>>96952820Can confirm Kraven is fun as fuck and snowballs super hard if your table is removal-averse. The fact he's so cheap is great. I run cowboy-kaervak and Toshi to double up on cheap removal.
>>96953139Just ignore them or say 2-3.
>>96954495It was 'dissolved' because they banned overpowered cards in the format, which were money maker reprints and wizards started a social scandal, probably had pinkerton IT in india organize threats to force the RC to fuck off and take over.
>>96953379No
>>96953139>hmmm will I simply google and look at the brackets?>will I ask an AI which can source the articles>or will I ask on 4chan
>>96954515>You do not need to adjust the ban list for a kitchen table format like you do for a competitive oneno one's taking away your rule zero, timmywhat do you think 60 card kitchen table people are doing, following standard and modern to the letter? kekw how naive are you
>>96953139You can't know. Because brackets are not well defined and anyone can argue your deck isn't the bracket you say it is. No one really agrees on what constitutes a bracket even with guidelines.This thread has people who think bracket 3 should be what I consider bracket 1. Brackets are worthless and primarily just used by faggots to try and angle shoot and claim actually they won because "UR DECK WUZNT BRACKET 2. Y?! CUZ I LOST"
>>96954409Yes, in the same way you can use something like trap runner to block an unblocked creature.However, anything with trample can still roll over the damage, and if it has protection it won't take any damage.As to your second point it would trigger any blocking-related effects(like bushido or rampage or some equipment whatever), but would still block the creature
>>96953139Bracket 1 = Not even trying to play. Game likely to stop because someone saw a cool bug on the wall at the LGSBracket 2 = Precon strong. This is where people have an issue because they think bracket 2 is bracket 1. Many precons are quite strong and will not take until turn 10 to fucking win. This is not "hehe I can run all my chair cards" bracket. I will rape you with a decent precon if you do.Bracket 3=Shitters think this is cEDH. It is just bracket 2 but everyone has 3 cards that are staplesBracket 4= Actual EDH prior to October 2024. This is the old formatBracket 5=CEDH
>>96954573>t was 'dissolved' because they banned overpowered cards in the format, which were money maker reprintsthat's part of the reason yes, which is why it's funny to me we still have fools that think dockside and others will be banned forever like this guy>>96954505but really another reason is that the RC never innovated beyond being an armchair banhammer committee and their inability to create formats for EDH (which is what brackets really are in practice) sealed their fate
>>96954606https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>NOOOO ITS POORLY DEFINED>LET ME JUST COMBO OUT TURN THREE PLEASE ITS BRACKET TWO
Uh oh bracket sperg having a melty.
>>96954606>every rando i play with is an angleshootercontinue to remain in your basement forever angleschizo
>>96954648I just play with non-bracket users. You know 90% of players
I'll admit I had a bit of a meltdown when the guy with a 100% win rate """bracket 3""" deck complained that my deck was too strong for bracket 3 after I was taken out early into a game and he won yet again with next to no effort.
>>96954653>i have 90% of players to play with>somehow i'm still bothered by how the remaining 10% of people playoh please angleschizo you're not fooling anyone
>>96954681Why are you so offended?
>>96954670This didn't happen. No one every tries to say their opponents deck wasn't the right bracket. My 70000 word essay here proves it. And we absolutely DID NOT have a person one thread ago seething about how his opponent had "cheated" and played an incorrrect bracket deckreason? Opponent won.
>>96953479Slop commander to end all slop commanders. The most generic commander printed in the past several years. You won't be any more unique than the other five guys running her at the average lgs
>>96954685i'm not the one delusional enough to see angleshooters everywhere though
>>96954695Wait my bad, I thought it was the other Eshki.
My problem with the brackets is that they are defined by game changers. You can make a deck that doesn't have any, and it will still wreck shit. Oppressive bullshit like a Zhulodok deck can be B2 with all the Titans because no GC lmao.
>>96954628good take and it's sad how it's so obvious yet too many timmies fail to see it
>>96954584Is the reason because triggers can't be put on the stack while a spell is not done resolving? Trying to understand it better. I guess I can fetch this instead as an alternative, although thromok does die as a result.
>>96954631The RC was actually working on that.
>>96954719>my against the odds standard deck loses to vivi standard!!>i sleep>my b2 mill deck loses to b2 zhulodok!!>real shitfucking casuals i swear
>>96954369Yes sorry i like it lol plus it's cheap, maybe I'll buy some of the better GCs next month and see if I'll replace it
>>96954628So basically what you're telling me is:>1 = what the fuck are you doing shit pile>2 = precon >3 = precon, but you unfucked some of the intentionally awful cards they put in every precon to gimp the deck>4 = precon, but it's fully optimized OR a competently built deck you made from the ground up>5 = Thoracle
>>96954736Pretty much
>>96954724Thromok's ability triggers as it enters, sacrificing protean hulk. Devour is not an additional cost, it's an ETB.Thromok has to be on the field to sacrifice Protean hulk, so it must be on the field before terror can be searched for and put on to the battlefield.
>>96954736more like>1 = chaos>2 = superfriends>3 = ramp>4 = combo from the cz>5 = blue farm
>>969547363 is already for custom built decks and it's what the vast majority of tables play, 4 is a tryhard splurgefag bracket that you won't find many people playing in most stores.
>>96954760>BROS 4 GAME CHANGERS IS INSANELY DIFFERENT FROM 3Not really
>1Doesn't exist.>2Precons.>3Literally everyone.>4 Doesn't exist.>5cEDH
>>96954743I'm sorry, I mispoke. Devour is a static ability not an etb, Replacement effects cannot be responded to. It still triggers as it enters so it wouldn't trigger terror for the same reason I described.
>>96954766I've never seen anyone play anything besides 2 or 4.
>>96954765Yeah except bracket 4 isn't "4 game changers", it's for heavily optimized decks worth minimum $1000, with access to every combo and degenerate stratagem in the game.If you sit down at a bracket 4 table with a typical bracket 3 deck that just happens to have a few more game changers, you will usually get utterly raped.
>>96954789Nope, sorry man. 4 instead of 3 is bracket 4. You are adding criteria that isn't necessary
Game changers and the delineation of brackets drive me up the fucking wall because WotC gets to choose what is and isn't acceptable.>play a weak 2 color deck with a budget mana base>hey, with how few nonbasics I run I could take advantage of back to basics/winter moon>ACTUALLY sweaty that makes your deck bracket 4 and it must now go against obscene combos that can end the game at any time>ok my deck runs aura shards I guess it's bracket 3>my deck runs The One Ring, Demonic Tutor and Fierce Guardianship so they're exactly the same :)Deranged system.
>>96954795I didn't say otherwise, i said you won't have any fun playing at the average bracket 4 table like that because it scales much higher than that.
>>96954769Ok, good to know. Guess I'll go with the manticore line then.
>>96954634I posted the rules here you fucking mongloids. Brackets are basically speed limits. Bracket 4 is realistic no limits, those that cannot contain their bitchforce and print proxies for for the most powerful card in every slot are pulled into cEDH containment zone.
>>96954801One of my decks is considered bracket 4 simply because I have a Winter Moon in it and another is considered bracket 3 because it has Crop Rotation without those cards they'd both be considered bracket 2
>>96954801There's not really a better way to do it without writing down hundreds of pages of rules and rulings for edge cases.It's a casual format that inherently relies in self-regulation, brackets are just communication tools for quickly organizing games with people you don't know, you can always ask your playgroup if they're fine with any rule zero changes.
>>96954834>you can always ask your playgroupThis is the solution for almost every single issue in Commander and /tg/ hates hearing it.
>>96954834The problem is that WotC decided to Jewishly co-opted the acronym "MLD," turning it from "Mass Land Destruction" to "Mass Land Denial." It's effortless to say something like: "Mass Land DESTRUCTION isn't welcome in casual games" (not that I agree) but it's kikery of the highest order to say, "Blood Moon effects have no place in casual" (never mind that if you are playing mono red in casual commander you're already at a severe disadvantage)
>>96954801>WotC gets to choose what is and isn't acceptable.yes because they own the gamewhat, are we supposed to listen to (You)? lol
>>96954838That's because it's stupid as fuck. "Mother May I" has always been the worst possible way to run the format.
>>96954845I just run the cards and if someone's eyes bulge out of their head all the better
My LGS handles decks far better than brackets.>GC list doesn't instantly define deck>"bracket" is based on how fast your deck can hit its wincon and luck to hit said wincon>wincon is fast and consistent due to tutors/etc? Powerful deck>wincon is "I'll hit them with the big monster" and no tutors/etc? Weak deck
>>96954830>can't let go of winter moon and crop roti think that speaks more to your inability to let go of those staples more than anything else>why is croprot bannedgood question especially when entomb and mana drain run around free
>>96954856>staples>Winter Moon>Crop Rotationlol
>>96954839Nah that's totally fine, blood moon should never have been printed.It staxes harder than almost anything else and most casual decks will have little to no answers to it, just accept that either your faggy pubstomping tool isn't permitted in matches that are casual and for fun, or just stop being a bitch and ask people if they're fine with playing against it anyway.
>>96954856I can let them go just fine but I'm just confused how winter moon makes a deck go from 2 straight to 4 on the bracket list
>>96954864>melty over blood moonLOL
What bracket do you think I should call this deck?
>>96954870I accept your concession!
>>96954860well clearly (You) can't let them go!
>>96954845If you're not playing with your friends(LGS randos)Bring more than one deck and try to power-match.
>>96954855>GC list doesn't instantly define deckoh that mindset will change very very soon
>>96954855turns to win was and still is the superior way to tune power level to eachother.
bracket chads how do I convince my opponent their deck that won on turn 8 is actually bracket 5?
>>96954873>wandering archaicYou are my nigga. I love that dude so much.
>>96954902>tfw I run every titan except Aeons since it's bannedRELEASE MY GIRL I WANT TO PUT HER IN MY ELDRAZI DECK
All this bracket talk got me thinking, so I finally checked the full list of GC cards. When I played my goblins a while back, >I was told it was bracket 2.5>It had no GCs>Besides Blood Moon, all were cards from the bulk boxesSo the tranny just fucking lied to me, huh.
>it's an /edhg/ is a bunch of autistic spergs who need every single card defined on where and how you can play it in brackets episodeYou anons need to get over the fact that you're all a bunch of bracket 4+ fags pretending that you fit in anything lower. The only way you'd be happy is if WOTC made a list of 100[0]s of cards that are permitted in which brackets because you're all literally autistic and need these things spelled out for you or else you try and bend words and definitions rather than recognize intent.But then when they do you'll bitch that why isn't X allowed in Y and that there's too many cards to find despite the fact that you can't self regulate as proven by the bitching currently.
>>96954923This didn't happen.
Some rager accused me of lying about my bracket because I'm running Fierce Guardianship and Mana Drain and that my deck is "signpost bracket 4" because "it costs too much money to be bracket 3."I'm always flabbergasted when people have such confident opinions on Magic irl backed by nothing, and I have to suppress my power level.
I feel like if you asked 90% of players they would have no idea how many turns their deck needs to win, especially since it can vary massively depending on what your opponents run and do (unless you play 5 or high 4, then it's more crystalized).
>>96954928Or just stop being gay and make it 3 tiers.>precon with no changes>competently built decks (or precons that are unfucked)>thoracle
>>96954937also didn't happen. There is no such thing as bracket angle shooting or people trying to kick decks out of bracket solely because they lost. This does not happen. You are a liar.
>>96954937>it costs too much moneyStop wasting money and buy bootlegs from CHYNA.
>>96954944Have you just never been to an LGS in your life or what?
>>96954949Yes but anon told me his FAQ from Gavin proves me wrong and noi one actually does this shit.
>>96954955You can get some genuinely deranged bracket conversations at the right store. My friend was in a pod with a guy several months ago who had a printed out laminated bracket sheet explaining its ins and outs to the table before playing.
>>96954949>declare kozilek as attacking>annihilator triggers>try to aetherspout it>opponent says annihilator triggers anyway>no takebacks scrub>AAAAA ANGLESHOOTING
>>96954961Nooo brackets are very clear and no one argues about it or tries to rule shark wins from people using it!
Uh oh... is this an omen?
>>96954979No. Brawl is generally a 1v1 format on Arena. Those things shit up the game 1v1.
>>96954979No.
>>96954937>it costs too much moneyImmediately discard opinions from these people if they ever make that a point.>Dude your board state is worth $1000, that must mean you're ahead.Statement made by the deranged.
>>96954987Didn't this general just argue yesterday that using duals makes your deck high bracket due to their cost?
Uhmm sweaty ;)) there's nothing wrong with using my $3000 deck in a casual match, i technically obeyed the rules haha ah no why don't you wanna play with me anymore?
>>96954979>banned in 4 formats alreadyyep mana drain will be 100% be a GC
>>96954947I already owned the expensive cards in that deck. The majority of it is also just bad mana-intensive counterspells that are worth $1-2, so I have no idea what he was bitching about. >>96954987Yeah. My friend plays the most rancid dogshit decks. Back when Mana Crypt was legal he used one to play a turn 2 Hill Giant and someone lost his mind and called him a pubstomper for playing Crypt and Volcanic Island. The deck was temur giants without any tribal support. People conflate budget with power level for some reason, not realizing you could just slap together a Magda deck for $50 and pubstomp most casual games.
>>96955001It should be banned honestly, easily one of the worst designed cards they've ever printed.
>>96955000NOOOOOO THAT 1000 DOLLAR SIGNED ALPHA MOUNTAIN IS TOO OP
Is Iron Maiden okay to run with a group hug Phelddagrif deck? Anyone run one in a similar deck?
>>96955007>banning Mana Drain before The One Ring>before Rhystic Studyrofl
>>96955011I mean are you trying to deal damage through hand size? I run it in 2nd Doctor/Vislor.
>>96954996no the general argued last thread that shamelessly using proxies of true duals makes you even more of a disgusting poorfag, ewww
>>96954937mana drain is overpowered, it's just how it is. You'd have to be a huge retard bitch not to see the sheer difference in power between counterspell(very powerful) to mana drain (counterspell that ramps). The only reason people don't run it like sol ring is that it's cost prohibitive. then you are running the one of the better free counterspells which is also expensive. >oh dude my commander is malek he's not that bad :) >runs high mana cost counterspells for UU >hehe :) Your deck seems to be designed to just stop other people from playing and ramping yourself up, so naturally counterspell tribal pisses people off when they don't realize your commander is kill on sight, then you have free counters.
Bible Tribal when?
>>96955017That is objectively true. I will never own any ABUR duals, and I will never run them. I also don't need them to build a good 5c manabase
>>96955023Might as well. We do plenty of other fictional IPs
>>96955016how long does it usually stay out?
>>96955014I'm okay with banning rhystic but TRO is fine as a GC.
>>96955019Everything in this deck fits within the confines of bracket 3. It'd get eaten alive in bracket 4, are you dumb?The free counterspells are the game changers I chose BECAUSE Melek is kill on sight, and you should have protection for your commander.
>>96955023Poison counters aren't on permanents they're on players
>>96955028Generally it either gets removed in a couple turns or at least one mother fucker is dying. It is a high value target for sure. Though I suppose that depends if you plop this early or wait until it actually makes an impact.
>>96955019>oh dude my commander is malek he's not that bad :) >runs high mana cost counterspells for UU >hehe :)do you get upset when commander decks have a strategy???
>>96954513that means they will try harder with the next change
>>96955019And yet it is still bracket 3.
>>96955051I think the actual reason is because they wanted to make spaceships commanders and the rules they used to validate it only worked if thewy included vehicles.But I am sure your "THEY TRIED SO HARD BUT FAILED" theory is just as valid.
>>96955036your deck is indeed b3doesn't change the fact that mana drain should be a GC though
>>96955065If Deflecting Swat isn't a game changer, Mana Drain isn't a game changer.
>>96955041So, you are telling me your players are non-permanents?
>>96955071i get you but red also needs a boost in casual commander and this is their bandaid fix
>>96955019There are plenty of decks where you don't run mana drain anon. It isnt even a consideration in CEDH
>>96955074Players are not permanents they're players in regards to the game rules
>>96955036I don't really care. Your deck runs 10+ counterspells, it's just going to piss people off. Your playstyle is 'I want to cast something discounted every turn, and it's probably going to be a counterspell' so naturally when you force of will someone, then mana drain, the table will be agitated.
>>96955092That's not why they did it. WotC is just full of fucking retards who want to sell you packs. Red may need a boost, sure. But you can run Deflecting Swat in Izzet. Temur. 5C slop.
>>96955093because cEDH is cancer and requires everything have 0 mana cost and requires your next turn.
>>96955071>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO A FREE REDIRECT!? THATS ON PAR WITH MANA DRAIN
>>96955099Most people don't give a shit actually. It was just one rager who didn't know what he was talking about. This deck loses to>play threat>get threat countered>now that you've used your discount for the turn, I'll doom blade your commander>>96955108Deflecting Swat is better than Mana Drain in commander. Better than Force of Will too (WotC doesn't think it is for some reason) and if you don't agree you're legitimately terrible at Magic.
>>96955103>WotC is just full of fucking retards who want to sell you packs.true but it helps that they don't have strictly superior counterspell running around stealing the thunder from their 99th spin of counterspell
I don't play with bracket children.
>>96955122I didn't give a shit about your opinion before, deflecting swat only hits single target abilities/spell and requires a commander, force of will hits all spells. dipshit brain
>>96955144I only play brackets with children
>>96955165t.
>>96955150>0-mana redirect when it matters most (protecting your commander, along with the added benefit of uniquely redirecting abilities or spells with multiple targets)>counterspell that requires card disadvantage and another blue card, diluting its value the more colors you add to your deckDeflecting Swat is the far better card. It should go in every splash-red deck in existence save ones that don't want their commanders out often, which is a tiny minority.
>>96954178If it works then cool, to me it looks like it doesnt.
>>96955150rog is one of the most powerful creatures in cedh because it lets you play swat
>>96955170>>96955189>swat goes in EVERY deck>like force of will>even in cedh!>im gonna play bracket 3>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO THIS GUY IS SAYING I NEED THREE MORE CIRCUMCISIONS BECAUSE I FOWD HIS COMMANDER AND THEN I COUNTERED EVERYTHING HE DID ALL GAME, WHY IS HE SO MAD?
>>96955027*tips fedora* Well played, my good sir!
>>96954178I dont see how any of that addresses the ramp problem and you are basically pulling a slot machine and not even beating curve like 40% of the time
>>96955211Grandpa that meme is older than Innistrad. Time for bed.
>>96955169These are more man children than actual children
>>96952565>trapped in the braidsgiwtwm
>wanted to build vivi because he's my favorite character but I knew is never get to play him if I did>friends told me to just build him anyways regardless of power>Tried to make a lower power budget version just to play him>Its still too much for them even though there playing combo eldrazi, nekusar and jodah>Take vivi apart and build kuja >Its also too strong for them I guess I've learned no one at my table knows how to deal with spellslinger decks
>>96955213>you are basically pulling a slot machineThat's First Sliver in a nutshell, assuming you're not using it for cedh memes. You can't really beat the curve with First Sliver because doing so would require a bunch of mana rocks, which in turn would absolutely fuck up your cascades later on. It basically becomes a question of "would you like to cast First on turn 4 but risk getting fucked by mana rocks in your cascades," OR "First comes out turn 5 but you have basically guaranteed cascades without a rock fucking them up".>>96955175I'm totally open to suggestions, so just throw them my way if you have them. I love experimenting and tinkering with my decks.
>>96954929Unfortunately it did. What would make you think I'd lie? Pic rel was the deck.
>>96954979I hope so.
>>96954979When IS the next B&R announcement? I thought it was today
>>96955209Timmy really getting mad someone with more brain cells than him stopped Atraxa from resolving.
>>96955317Anon would have a melty vs a real control deck
>>96955300It was today but nothing for commander
>>96955300Commander isn't getting any changes until next year, and WotC has signaled they will only be doing UNBANS.Load up on your Jew Lotuses
>>96955369>costs this much despite being banned in 100% of formats Daaamnn risky investment.
>>96954944>There is no such thing as bracket angle shooting or people trying to kick decks out of bracket solely because they lost. This does not happen. You are a liar.Anon somebody once tried to get me kicked out of an LGS because I played Neheb on turn 6, it went a full rotation around the table, and I proceeded to win because nobody interacted with me.I was accused of being a CEDH player and they tried to get me kicked out.My deck runs fucking Cryptolith Fragment and Humble Defector.People absolutely angleshoot.
>>96955325>>96955317>oh yeah? Not having fun being countered? How about I run an even more powerful control deck>heh, this is a Bracket 3 form control deck, it's at the apex of what could legally be defined as 3, now draw your deck weakling>all those spells I countered? fool. I can now counter them even more than before>my sensei taught me to never forgive those who dare draw a hand in my presence>heh.. nice atraxa. I dont care if that card is actually something else, as far as I'm concerned, all commanders are atraxa>everyone is out to win at any cost, it's a four person kitchen table format like super smash brothers, and everything is on the line, it's why I'm trying so hard to counter everything you do, nothing personnel
>>96955357Ah. In other news: LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>96955398holy fucking lol
>>96955390jewlotus is legal in legacy and vintageit just doesn't do anything there
>Historic>Dark Depths is pre-banned?????????? isn't this seen as a giant timmy trap?? Legit don't understand this. Is it just another case of "generating infinite mana breaks the card, so we ban it instead of banning infinite combos"??
>>96955406>entomb bannedalso 100% becoming a gc
>>96954873bumpin>>96954909I cast tempt with mayhem on creative technique after casting tempt with reflections targeting wandering archaic, game crashed
>>96955398>JUST LET ME WIN!
>>96955268>What would make you think I'd lie?Brackets are very well defined and no one ever tries to angleshoot them
>>96955391>playing my suspend deck>suspend worldfire>no one takes issue>3 turns pass>cast worldfire>no response>inform everyone to exile everything>one player suddenly realizes what worldfire is and screams this is MLD and not bracket 2 and I have forefitted>We never mentioned brackets when the game started>it was turn 9>there were 3 turns with worldfire telegraphed>again we were never using brackets anywayBracket users are strange people
>>96955406standard will always be unplayable as long as they feel this autistic need to stick to schedules. Why wait so long to ban him? Why not Ban him the fucking minute after he caused a tournament that was all Vivi?No law requires these faggots to let terrible metas fester until a specific date arrives. Just ban shit the second it becomes a problem.
>>96955268>i can't get rid of blood moon!just run blood sun already you staple-grubbing sweat
>>96955268Bloodmoon technically makes your deck bracket 4Yes, it is retarded.
>>96955549>angleshootOnly now I'm understanding what that term even means.
>>96955596Nooooo i need my pubstomping staples against noobs with precons!!!
>>96955597angleshootrulesharkrules lawyeringIt's all the same thing. Someone trying to get some win or massive beneficial situation by trying to game the rules either with or without permission of others.
>>96955583It's been too long and I'm too old to remember specifics, but many times in the past some cards became major issues and everyone started screaming "ban now!", then the community figured out how to beat then, and then said card's decks became way less popular. Happened quite a few times, actually. So Wizards is much more hesitant to do emergency/kneejerk-reaction bans, and decides to wait a lot longer than in the past to see if shit sorts itself out
>>96955600>Precons are SOOOOO BADNo idea why you guys do this. I've seen that dino precon curbstomp bracket 3's easily.
>>96955603>>96954965
>>96955605Yeah and back in the day they never banned shit in standard and it was a seismic thing for it to happen. Now it's every few months.
>>96955611I mean I'd argue that's because the average EDH player is fucking terrible at the game so despite having Rhystic Study and TOR, they shit the bed and lose to a deck that's cohesive.Half my b3/b4 games are decided by Spell Piercing t3 TOR and finding out they have no other draw sources in their whole deck, making them worse than a precon at handling disruption.
>>96955633It's actually because adding crop rotation, cyclonic rift, and some other random GC won't save you if that's all you did to go from bracket 2 to 3.
>>96955639It's the same deal.>Deck is shit>Throw random haymakers in it without improving the other 96 cards>Now deck dies to one point of interaction
>>96955633>that picYou motherfucker you made me check if it's real
>>96955654A have a friend who still thinks it's real.
>>96955633>Half my b3/b4 games are decided by Spell Piercing t3 TOR and finding out they have no other draw sources in their whole deck, making them worse than a precon at handling disruption.This but removal holy shit.>Opponent goes all in on a commander that can singlehandedly win (Krenko, Miirym, etc.)>Lolcounter/Lolremoval>GEE THANKS ANON GUESS I JUST WONT PLAY THE GAME NOW HUH.>They seethe even harder when I say that's not my problem
>>96955584I've no idea what that is. As I said I literally built that entire deck from cards I found in bulk boxes, and grabbed the blood moon because I figured I should have one (1) card that could swing the game my way. It's not like I'm against it being a game changer, but it's not according to the official list and I was told I'm bracket 2.5 despite that.>>96955596Genuinely curious as to how that makes sense.
>>96955667this but Mindskinner>no counterspells>no bounce to bring it back to his hand>no boots/greaves/fucking ANYTHING>no FUCKING COUNTERSPELLS in a MONOBLUE DECK>gets mad when we kill his Kill on Sight commanderIt's all so tiring.
>>96955667>tfw you're running Zhulodok Eldrazi Tribal>tfw your only real draw is TOR and EndstoneSure there's a couple of little guys like matter reshaper and solemn simulacrum, but it's tough for colorless.
>>96955675>Genuinely curious as to how that makes sense.Because retards think Blood Moon is MLD, and MLD is not allowed outside of brackets 4-5, so even if you have the most trash pile of casual bracket 1 badstuff cards, including it auto-makes your deck into bracket 4 at the minimum by definition of the rules
>>96955675>Genuinely curious as to how that makes sense.MLD=Mass land DENIALIf you turn their non-basics into mountains then you DENIED them their mana. So it counts.Again I do not agree with this but it is effectively how it works. MLD is no longer destruction. Any effect that can deny land mana counts.
>>96955689https://scryfall.com/search?q=otag%3Adraw+id%3D0&unique=cards&as=grid&order=edhrec&dir=You're welcome
>>96955695>Because retards think Blood Moon is MLDRetards like Gavin Vehrey and Rachel Weeks.
>>96955701MLD has been Mass Land Destruction for 30 years. Wizards is just using Jewish context to change things.
>>96955023Hmmm, can we get "turning water into wine" Jesus first? Or what about that Jesus that just kicks the crap out of those people selling stuff in god's temple?Ressurected Jesus is cool and all, but I want a more active Messiah card as a commander.
>>96955708Yes, that's what I said.
>>96955714Yes but unfortunately said jews control the rules and invented the brackets. Use jew rules and expect jew things
>Blood Troon still melting down and samefagging hours later
>>96955074>mfw I cast Assassin's Trophy on my opponent
>>96955706Just quickly browsing, I have a shitton of that, but I wouldn't consider stuff like mind stone or hredon archive as draw. At least when I think of draw, filthy blue player levels of draw comes to mind.
>>96955675>Genuinely curious as to how that makes sense.gavin hates things that consistently mess with 4+ lands for each player and blood moon is one of them
>>96955738>"Color" that is every other color's cumsock isn't as good at drawing cards as the best draw color
>>96955755Also Gavin: "Oh boy time to print this in a land reanimation precon to create flashy tempo swings!"
>>96955755Gavin also makes up rules to benefit cards he designed. See: Master, Multiplied
>>96955708Are you implying Gavin Verhey and Rachel Weeks aren't idiots?
>>96955772>doesn't consistently kill 4+ lands for each playerthat's MLD design moving forward btw
>>96955760Yes, exactly.
>Andrew Swordbro
Post EDH memes
>>96955959Drastically inferior version. Pic rel is objectively better
>>96954627Wrong, enters blocking does not trigger ‘when this creature is blocked’
>>96955959>>96956059What is the meme/joke here?
>>96955486
You should be allowed one early game 2 card infinite in B3.Without many GCs you can't actually cheese them out reliably anyway, i think it would make things more fun if sometimes randomly one of you blew everyone up. Like getting a Smash Ball or something.
>>96956132No
>>96956136Yes. Casual format where sol ring is legal, stupid stuff happening randomly is the point.
>>96956111Nigga run some fucking cards that can't be countered.
>>96955398I'm gonna keep playing control in commander and you'll keep dealing with it and just whine on 4chan about it.Shrimple as.
>>96956132B3 should have no infinites
>>96956132Then don't run those and don't let people run them in your bracket 3 games? Pretty easy issue to deal with.
>>96956174Bracket 3 should be bracket 1 cause I am bad but also don't want to admit it
>>96956176You misread, i'm saying they should allow one early infinite per B3 deck.Currently B3 allows zero early game two cards infinites.
Brackets shouldn't exist
Going off these archetypes, which commander would you want to build?
>>96953859Brother, I think you are building Surrak up to be something its not.Do thing draw card commander may trigger you, but its fine. Its not like Surrak is going to be eat better
>>96956194brackets have been a net positive to the games i've played, way better than "7 lmao"
>>96956219I'm not sure what the difference is when you have to argue what constitutes a 3 because no one agrees.Ypu're gonna claim this doesn't happen even though it is happening in this thread, and the thread before, and the thread before that.
>>96956194True, they should just ban the entire reserved list, force a 3 GC limit like in bracket 3, ban MLD, ban most counterspells and let people do whatever from there.
>>96955572are there any other cards that drop everybody to 1 life in grixis?
>>96954760> 4 doesnt existWrong
>>96956229Honestly this would be based yeah
>>96956229Actually they should just revert things back to pre-brackets and then start a new format for all these faggoty rule changes no one asked for. It's kind of like how we didn't just ban all rares and uncommons from legacy to create pauper. We just made a format for that.I do not consider bracket EDH to be the format I played a year ago before this shit.
>>96954838>This is the solution for almost every single issue in Commander and /tg/ hates hearing it.Because when you play against problem players, this advice does nothing
>>96956227Who cares about the thread, since brackets there have been way less decks that stomped the table at the LGS's
>>9695483890% of this thread has no consistent playgroup. Honestly probably higher.
>>96956194>Brackets shouldn't existCompletely agree.I was actually starting to think brackets are 'ok' but its clear that 'Im a 3' is the new 'Im a 7' and its easier for pubstompers to lie about their decks power level
>>96956167>>96956155>run into a bluigger that runs counterspells nonstop>NOOOOO NONSTOP ONE WINCON COUNTERS ARE TOTALLY HEALTHY FOR THE FORMAT>I JUST NEED TO STOP EVERYONE FROM DOING ANYTHING>t. Augustine commanderalso, I have a dedicated ruric thar ''ate bluiggers' deck that runs boil, and as much anti-blue and anti-spells as possible, it can't do much against creature decks, but you'll lose against it no matter what. I haven't seen you cucks cry about it, so you aren't in my lgs
>>96956174>B3 should have no infinitesCompletely factual and obvious
What’s the goal? Save his exile ability for last, and then put him back in the command zone before he goes to the opponent’s side?
>>96956296Nothing wrong with 3 card infinites or late game 2 card infinites
>>96956287
>>96956287>AIEEE I CAN'T ANSWER BLUE!!!
I hope it becomes cheaper now, i want one
>>96956307Actually there is.
>>96956306Clearly not intended as a commander.
>>96956317Why?
>>96956313Can you not read? I have a gruul deck that runs nothing but anti-blue tech
>>96956314should be a bracket 4 card
>>96956335I counter you ogre
>>96956307Idk man we have brackets, why cant one be devoted to boomer edh/battlecruser
>>96956322Infinite combos should not exist. They are not fun or interesting. You look them up online. They are far superior wincons to anything else because of how efficient they are. There is no fair way to judge how fast/slow a combo is. If you run moxs you can crank out Exquisite Blood on like T3 and there is no good way to enforce the speed. Inf combo decks are fundamentally cEDH minded and they should stay there (or maybe in B4, but I think even that is pushing it)
>>96956372this but turn sideways decks. They are boring and this is afact because I find them boring. The game should be designed specifically for my tastes because I am the MC of life.
>>96956335BasedI used to run a deck like that in cedh
Playing today in buttfuck nowhere wisconsinBets on the meta?
>>96956397Nothing. 1 player isn't a meta.
>>96956372Exquisite Blood combos are generally classified as early game and easy to pull off so they're bracket 4, assembling a 3 card combo or one with slower pieces is much harder and slower and there's no reason it shouldn't be allowed in 3 (which it isn't)
>>96956399Oh no! Dubs...You cursed me!
