China edition.>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous thread:>>96965494>Thread question:What's a kit you hate assembling?
>>96990709Witch Elves. I get a boner when building them
Kinda want to start Cathay, kinda think that each individual model is going to be too much effort to paint for rank and file
Rebased my greatswords
>>96990765And finished some more plague monks
>>96990751They absolutely take a long time to put together and paint.
>>96990709Every modern kit where GW refuses to show the model from different angles in the manual.
so I quit playing WHFB years and years ago (I got into Warmaster, I just thought rank and flank games play better at small scale and you can make more fantastic terrain for cheaper. pic related) but I recently received a bunch of painted Warhammer Fantasy stuff for free so I guess I'll give WHFB a try again. Do you guys consider TOW a good system, if not, which edition would you recommend?
>>96990765What purple paints do you use for that cloth?
>>96990805You might as well at least start with ToW,Given it's the new hotness your more likely to get a game for it What army you got? /WFG/ belongs to the beastchads btw
>>96990874It's just screamer pink, druchii violet wash then layers of screamer pink, mix of screamer pink and pink horror and final highlights of pink horror and emperor's children.
>>96990893well, I'm not too concerned with finding players, I have a very good wargaming club that'll play anything that we can put on the table, what we value most is a good set of rules and in that regard I'd prefer to play the best version of Warhammer Fantasy possible. Do you consider TOW to be a good set of rules? And its a massive collection of orcs and dwarves. Inherited from an uncle who moved away and couldn't take his minis with him.
>>96990967Nta but TOW is basically 6.5e
>>96991038its more of a prototype of 6th desu
>>96990751Jade warrior were a lot of fun to paint.
>>96991143They're making me turn to drink.
>>96990805TOW is a great game to start with but I prefer Warhammer Armies Project. Great pic btw
>>96990805Play Warhammer Armies Project desu
>>96990709Black Orcs, I hate those fucking leg pieces.>>96990769Looking really good anon!>>96990967It depends what you want really. I personally would say play 6th, as the TOW magic system is so barebones that its lost a lot of that Warhammer flavour, but thats my personal opinion.
>>96991860>That horse armor paintjobjesus. /wip/ has better skills what a miserable attempt.
>>96990709>TQAnyone who has assembled a Cathay Sentinel has come out of the process hours later forever changed.forty seven pieces for the legs.
>>969908059th age, OPR regiments and Warhammer Armies Project are all better choices
>>96991913At least they are not small piecest. scale modeler
>>96991230>>96991921Nta but interested to hear what you find better about them? I remember following 9th age for a while after AoS and loving the rules but never having anyone to play against. I def miss the old dice pool system in ToW.
>>96991935>At least they are not small piecesOh, sweet honey childe, THE BELT IS INDIVIDUAL SEGMENTS/LINKS CONSTANTLY PUSHING EACH OTHER OUT OF PLACE AND WARPING THE WHOLE UPPER TORSO PLACEMENT
>>96991936He's shitposting. The 9th age was always a mediocre spite project from people booty blasted but not enough to set their dark elves on fire.
>>96991909What about it do you dislike?
>>96991949Can you elaborate what was bad? I never got to play it at all, it did seem to go through a modern style 40k level of rules adjustments when I was following but to be fair that was in the early days where you can expect a lot of revision
>>96991952Its very clearly a model primed in leadbelcher and then they just put a single coat of contrast medium over some of the metal to try and look like laquer panelling, i tried it myself back when the iron golems released, and it always looks like dogshit.
>>96990967I am currently playing 7th edition, my friend and I prefer it over 8th and TOW. Whatever works for you
>>96991960It was a variety of reasons. Constant grogs butting heads because "muh vision" which often meant "my army should be the waacfag power gamer trash", a constant back and force between the tourney only players and people that enjoy narrative lists and just in general was a constantly tweaked nightmare chasing seven different ideals that they would and could never settle on by the very nature of its origins being purely spite driven "f-fuck you gw and fuck shitmar now we can make the game better than you ever could!".TOW isn't perfect but at least its just going "Hey 6th was the peak of the game, how about we just iterate on that" rather than "heres seven donut steal fangames fighting each other to become the ur ruleset only each week the rulesets different.Theres a reason a lot of the greybeards went to Kings of War or just stuck with 6th edition instead.
>>96991966*contrast paint rather.
>>96991973Interested to hear what you prefer in 7th over ToW?I played 7th as orcs and goblins back in the day, man that was rough at the time I played. Felt like everyone else just had insane value for points compared to me, but to be fair, thats kind of the orcs and goblin experience in general for most editions. Coming from 6th it did feel more streamlined but honestly my memory is pretty hazy as to exact rules differences. Never played 8th but it seemed like a massive clusterfuck.
>>96990709>TQBow Ungors. Fucking Bow Ungors. So simple but god damn the posing options are incredibly shit. Every pose looks so stiff and awkward and its so fucking hard to not make them look cartoonish and shit. Give me a 600 part model that drives me insane but looks good in the end any day.
>>96991975You know, I'm not that anon, but I really don't get why people say TOW is like 6th. There are so many differences between the two editions that it's hard to list them all. Army building being % based rather than slot based, charge distances being random vs. 2x movement, cavhammer vs. herohammer, magic being completely different, magic items being a lot more similar to how they were in 8th, FBIGO/give ground completely changing how combat resolves itself, changes to how static CR works, BSBs being able to take magic items, AP being decoupled from strength... you get my point. TOW isn't 6th. It doesn't play like 6th. It doesn't play like 8th either, from what I understand, but it definitely doesn't play like 6th. So, why do people keep saying it's 6.5?
>>96991999(checked)One aspect that I prefer in 7th is that in 8th you have to roll "charge dice" 40k style instead of just doubling the unit's Movement score so it introduces a lot of variability where for every previous edition charge range was Movement times two. I would have to go and ask my friend for more information as they know a lot more about the game and its other editions than I do, I only started playing this year.
>>96992039>why do people keep saying it's 6.5?no step up, and magic no longer working like in 8ththat's it
>>96992050But magic doesn't work like how it does in 6th either. No step up is a fair point, but that's how the game worked in every edition besides 8th. That's not just a 6th ed thing.
Chaos Dwarfs are soooo cool and they still managed to fuck them up and it is soooo funny
>>96992093Can you show us some of your chaos dwarfs anon? I need inspiration
when mto ??
>>96992113could be previewed tommow, maybe the week after
>>96992093>Dwarves >cool pick one
>>96992121I bet your mount doesn't even have a beard
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>>96992039Things like the magic system. Its just an on the tabletop experience a lot closer to 6th than 8th.
>>96992139>This is it! This is what the people want!
>>96992139
>>96992182take your own advice tranny, 50% of what he listed either exists or will exist while you continue to be a piece of shit
>>96990709>TQDwarf Warriors and their massive gaps.
>>96992191Your mental health is not your fault but it is your responsibility.
>>96992176>normalize.the.bulge.
>>96992139Okay you got blocked by warhammer on social media for thinking some racist or sexist bullshit was acceptable behaviour because your indian grifters pretending to be white online made you think that way. But why is that the problem of a specialist game general for a fantasy game and why should we care?
>>96992218Does your therapist know you save and collect these pictures?
Bump
>>96992218>Nigga has a tranny collection like a boomer collects stamps
>>96992139I guess you posting that bait picture of empire knights was not enough huh?
>>96992218Why..why do you have this picture bro?..bro?
>>96992248You know why.
TRANNIES IN THE THREAD GETTING MAD
>>96992248Because right wing nutjobs are often in some form of closet and thats why they are so obsessed with people that aren't anymore. Its half envy half self hating fetish.Theres a reason republicans rallied behind a dick sucker. Its endemic to them.
This all started because someone took a light jab at games workshop and the resident screeching trannies apparently will defend their gay-ass company quite vigorously. Sorry secondary/thirdie but games workshop has been a shit company for the last 10 years MINIMUM and you defending them so heavily betrays that you don't know shit, and that you are a faggot. Sputtering about right wingers and muh blumpf like lmao it seems quite apparent who needs the meds here you fucking psycho
>>96992245Wasn't me and I don't know what picture you are talking about. But I guess, in this day and age there is enough woke iconography going round in the hobby for occasions like this.
>He criticized GW...He must like sucking cock!!!!!
>>96992039>Army building being % based rather than slot based, Better this way to prevent colossal death star units. >charge distances being random vs. 2x movement, Necessary once pre-measuring became a thing. And complaining about randomness in a dice game always seems silly to me.>cavhammer vs. herohammer,Both are issues, but at least with TOW 1.5, infantry are no longer completely useless (and linehammer is fucking dead). >magic being completely different,Magic got the Shrimplification treatment, but felt necessary after the overpowered magic of 8th. Back in 8th, you NEEDED a wizard or else your opponent will utterly wipe the floor with you. Now a wizard is a fun bonus, not a necessity. It would be nice to see them expand the lores, but at least its power level feels like a good spot.>magic items being a lot more similar to how they were in 8thMost are very nerfed versions of their 8th selves. Like Talisman of Protection being a 5++ instead of 4++. No way to get a 1+ armour save, period. >FBIGO/give ground completely changing how combat resolves itself, Honestly the best parts of TOW right there. It lets you continue combat, even with units that don't have high-stacked Leadership.>changes to how static CR worksI do thiok there's a bit too much static CR, but I see how it was necessary for infantry to stand up to Lords on monsters.>BSBs being able to take magic itemsEven in 6th, the BSB could take magic items as long as he wasn't taking a magic standard. >AP being decoupled from strengthOn one hand, it's annoying that my Kroxigor smacking at S7 is the same AP as a human with Great Sword swinging at S5, I do understand that GW wanted to overall reduce AP (since armour values are much weaker than before) while still allowing Strength to be is own thing.
>>96992287Nah fuckoff back to pol with you. Your kind has never been tolerated in the real world. Fuck off and stop shitting up the thread. You will not be missed
>>96992272For all that talk about psychology and mental illness, this sounds too much like a thinly veiled projection, sorry.
>>96992245Lel dude must've been seething nobody took the bait for once
>>96992306I think you misunderstood my post, anon. I'm not saying whether or not these changes are good or bad, I'm saying they're different compared to how the game was in 6th. I'm not complaining, I'm pointing out what's different and asking why people think 6th and TOW are similar despite these changes. Also, you're right, I forgot that the BSB magic item restriction was only for when they took a magic banner. My bad.
>>96992318How about no, you bandwagon jumping secondary? What are you gonna do about it? No 'community manager' here to create a 'safe space' for you. Sorry, sorry.
>>96992318>he said, typing on his cum covered rainbow LCD keyboard, while wearing a dress
I guess its been entertaining to let the trannies run around like normal people but I think its time for this nonsense to end, these people are clearly mentally unwell and dangerous to themselves and others
>>96992176BORN TO SHITFORCED TO WIPE
It was better when the thread was dead
I guess he wasnt content with just being on eye of terror.
>>96992354>check earlier today>no replies for like 3 hours>check just now>oh nice lots of activity, I wonder what anons are talking about>
>>96992336>>96992338>>96992345Stay mad
>>96992354It's one schizo tryingto start shit, and he had a meltdown because nobody fell for his bait
>>96992380You sure it's not Russian hackers or Drumpf that's behind all that?
>>96992367>name is meow>is actually a dragon
>>96992380If he wanted to derail the thread, then all he needed to do was post a video of a HH player taking part in a TOW tournament and praising the quality of the players on both player etiquette and Hobby skillshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJWX_L14aXo
>>96992391dragons are practically scaly cats, everybody knows this
>>96992391Cathay cunny is the best
>>96992391The hair is just goofy.
>>96992403>>96992367>Filename is written in hindi
>>96992400agreed
>>96992432wonder if Fimir even exist in Cathay
>>96992432In an effort to actually get us back onto topic, how are the beasts of chaos if I ama bad player? I started with dwarves but I want to change armies. They feel like an absolute slog on the table and are missing out on the magic phase. I want to play wood elves but I am worried I will literally never win or deal with metal flying models that constantly break.
>>96992435They probably do in nippon at the very least
>>96992419lmao...as they say, every accusation is a confession.
>>96992306>And complaining about randomness in a dice game always seems silly to me.What seems silly to be is people incapable of grasping that it's not *just* a dice game, the dice are a tool intended to resolve situations on the table in ways that A; make sense AND B; enhance the tactical experience. Random charges fail B, and the scope of the randomness in the way TOW handles random charges fails A as well. If pre-meauring makes wildly swingy randomisation "necessary" then the sane conclusion is that pre-measuring is dumb shit for fags and shouldn't be in the game.
>>96992614That's a whole lot of words saying "i'm stupid"
>>96992139>And last but not least: Taiwan is not a country.
>>96992614I've never met someone this bad at game design. You should consider being professionally bad.
>>96992443Beasts are great especially if you can embrace their risk reward game style. They have unusually good magic and I'd say they have the best breadth of viable monsters and as such, their monsters get to be specialized instead of catch-all. They don't have the best monster though, just a high average. They have several play styles, and I've found 4 that work well for me: Ambush, Monster Mash, Spellspam, and Chariot. Centigors don't get nearly enough credit, but Minotaurs are actually mid as people say. I don't see people commenting on dragon ogres, but they are pretty good for their cost but a bit expensive for lists. Their big downside is artillery obviously with I think the worst one in the game? It's thematic as hell and a fun centerpiece but dogshit every time I've run it. But they have multiple options on their side to deal with artillery so I consider it in their favour. If they gave Cygor a special rule that if you have a herdstone you can throw it as an attack prior to first turn, that might be worth doing.They're a top army right now for a reason. I'd say they do require a bit more skill to play right than many armies though because they aren't mistake tolerant but by no means are anywhere near the most skill reliant.
What's going to be the most efficient way to paint Cathay?
>>96993162Theyre a bitch to paint dude. Took me a month to paint 44 jade warriors. No way around it
>>96993162Murder anyone who says terracotta is the way to do it. It’s so fucking ugly. It’s about as distasteful as zenithsl priming shit and calling it a day.
I have a friend who I absolutely annihilate in our TOW games. In our 15+ games I have never lost and it was never closeIt's not necessarily outplay because my dice just turn the fuck on. I'm talking killing a Chaos Lord with a ratling gun stand and shootKilling 14 Chosen with a DoomwheelPlague Monks and a Censer Chariot killing 20 Great SwordsHe's already refused the Ratling+Wheels and doesn't like the HPAWe're thinking of a different handicapAny ideas? Should he just get an extra 10% point level?
>>96993162terracotta color scheme is arguably the most efficient if you're measuring efficiency just by speed, and the fact the end result is technically paintedif you want to minimise the time in a more classical color scheme I think you should prime the models with a metallic silver, wash the armor with some kind of green tint, then pick out the cloth and skin and trinkets, but largely ignore trims, leaving them in the same color as the armor and to be outlined by the wash, or at most pick out some trims with a simple gold or spot color only on heroes and championsdark brown/black for boots and leather around the gorget helps in making them work without too much attention on shading and highlighting them
>>96993236Speaking of that point bonus balancing thing, how much has it helped in games? It's obviously a bolt on fix, but is it actually a fix? Is it as impactful as the tier 1-3 thing in Bloodbowl?
>>96991936>Nta but interested to hear what you find better about them?I'm not shitposting. They are simply not run by corporations, which I value.
>>96993162Leaving them on the shelf with the other tofushit
>>96993296I can't speak to that because we're doing equal points still
>>96993296have a link to that by chance?
>>96993047>CentigorI was looking at converting these from marauder horsemen but GW seems to have squatted them. I don’t mind pewter however metal spears can be iffy.Have you had any issues with the GW centigor models?
>>96993567The only GW ones I have are the ancient 2 piece pewter. The rest I 3d printed.>>96993454I can't find it right now. Wondering if maybe it was a tournament fix I'm thinking of now, but I'm out and about. Anyone else know what I was referring too? Was like a 5-20% pt increase for different legacy armies except vamps
>>96990709Ive really found the Cathay models to be really lacking in some kind of character. They are just "chinamen" I dont know what im supposed to feel with them unlike the haughty brettonian knights, the gruff empire statetroops, feral beastmen etc. I dont really see any particular "adjective" with them.
Is there any significance to color for Beastman?I'm doing Blood Herd and I want to make the characters, maybe champions too, stand out.Is albinism note worthy? Black Fur?I'm coming from Skaven where horns or black fur are significant.
>>96993850In terms of what they like? No. In terms of what happens to them, sort of? The different gods can warp their colors, but usually that's only specifically for the worshipper ones, not the average beastmen. Champions too I guess like beastlords.They can be pretty much any color combinations you want, sort of like Lizardmen in that regard.
>>96993222Nta but the terracotta chinamen in The Mummy 3 were sick as hell and the only good part of that piece of shit alimony fodder, terracotta is a valid way to halfass it
>>96993943Cool. So I can do whatever I want.Appreciate it, anon
Holy shit he's finally gonna finish his minotaurs he's been WIP posting for 2 months
>>96993850>>96993943What I've done with my Gors or 'Taurs is a classic dark skin but glazed some colours over it to create some variation in tone
>>96994087Yeah they even get non-standard stuff like the brassbull or steel horns.
>>96993840I see discipline and determination.
>>96993840Yeah honestly same. I really like the archers wearing half of their shirt, I think thats the only real thing that kind of breaks that monotony.I wish I could see what others see in the army, but I really dont fucking like its execution on the tabletop, let alone the video game.
>>96993175>a month to paint 44 jade warriorsGod damn. Am I slow as fuck, or do I just have no free time? It takes me a month to paint like 20 or 30 basic bitch goblins. Hell, this troll has taken me half a month.
>>96992354>that armorI fucking hate that nu-GW is utterly clueless when it comes to armor, I miss the Perry's.
>>96994185Thats the same as the dwarves, elves, and empire though. its not SO overtly disciplined to be a distinguishing factor imo.>>96994230> I really like the archers wearing half of their shirt agreed, that is a cool aesthetic look.The only type of army of cathay ive found interesting is if they are terracotta and thus making them constructsin a way kind of like undead.
>>96994298>Thats the same as the dwarves, elves, and empire though. its not SO overtly disciplined to be a distinguishing factor imo.None of the adjectives you used are overly distinguishing, or even really apply to the models you were talking about. You're conflating lore with models and giving the models a pass.The janky, wooden Bretonnians, who are mostly all helmeted, are somehow "haughty"? The Empire models that all look like old men standing up from their wheelchairs for the first time in a decade are "gruff"? You're just grab-bagging adjectives that fit the vibe of the faction and slapping them on models that don't earn them.
Wild thought. What if clan rats went up to 5 pts a model, but got 2 wounds. This is to represent there are so many that essentially 2 exist in the same space that normal infantry would. Same stat line otherwise, including the champion only having 1 wound.
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>>96994242The art from FFG for the Invasion Card Game I think, you can't really blame GW for the artist mistakes on that piece
>>96993310Fuck these are such good ideas
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>>96994549NTA but I love the plaid ones
>>96991975isnt the WAP basically another community made update to WHFB? Did it avoid the same lack of direction that you describe for 9th Age?
>>96993840>They are just "chinamen"This is undoubtedly the consequence of the Chinese sensitivity team. In China, in artistic mediums, they push conformity of appearance and are generally hostile towards uniqueness, attacking it usually as a negative portrayal of Chinese people. The amount of western countries that have had to apologise to Chinese people for hiring the “wrong” looking Chinese for ads is surprisingly high.
>>96994718WAP is written by 1 guy, not by competing cliques.It focuses mainly on expanding factions and their roosters. It has been going on since 7th ed.Its actually pretty good.
>>96993840Cathay in general is very lacking in character or theme. If they insist on Cathay being some utopian realm then at the least they could have given them a very lockstep harmonious appearance and possibly looked at wushu stances for inspiration. A lot of movies depicting that period has soldiers running with swords held down and back for instance.
>>96994399Ok, what's a specific emoting paraphernalia you can see on the Cathay models? you got scarred and rag tag empire guys with ragged scriptures nailed to their shields or Bettonian's with head crests larger then their helmets.Maybe if they had the bones of their ancestors strapped to their belts or prayer beads or something it would elicit more of an emotional response to me.>>96994727Im fine with conformity if that is what thy are going for, but they don't even look have a conspicuous uniformity.
>>96990709So I looked at Bretonnia and the Lady of the Lake and I am thinkingSince she's a bit of a nature based deity and is associated with the Fay, she's more akin to Druidism than?So shouldn't her knights and stuff actually technically be pagans?
>>96995092It's a rough paintjob but I respect the attempt to recreate the art
>>96995146Calling people Pagan is rather pointless in Warhammer since basically every faction is polytheistic to some extent.even the Brettonian nobility worship other gods besides the lady, like mannan or Verena
>>96995158Kind of reminds me of Victarion Greyjoy in ASOIAF where he sacrificed shit to the Drowned God and Red God to try and double up on the blessings.Has anyone done that in WHF? I guess anyone with multiple chaos gods counts but I'm wondering if there was ever anything done with two deities that were unrelated at all.
>>969919369th I don't care much for but WAP is a very very refined version of 8th, with a great magic system and more viable army compositions. The added armies like Araby etc are quite bland but the established armies from before are in a great state.
>>96995152Specifically that model belongs to some insane German collector who owns every single Bretonnian model made. Guy has a whole archive you can view along with Youtube.
>>96993840I think the peasants are a lot better in that regard, their champion being a retired jade warrior is pure sovl for example, their little flying dragon banners are cool too.
>>96993175Great looking guys, though.
>>96995270>champion being a retired jade warrior is pure sovl for exampleIt just makes it boring. They all should have some rummaged armor to wear. Of the lowest quality, and be dirty. The spears are also so fucking ugly, and are in the worst poses possible. >the fag It’s fine as a token but beyond that it looks like a fucking nutsack.
>>96995181>where he sacrificed shit to the Drowned God and Red God to try and double up on the blessings.that was pretty common in transitional religious settings. many pagan vikings would offer a dedication to both thor and christ to "hedge their bets" (think it happened in erik the red's saga for instance) as well in late antiquity (An offer to both christ and sol invictus)>>96995146>>96995158depends on what you mean by "pagan". originally pagan refered to rurals, the unenlightened and rustic, that which exists in the outskirts of society and cannot survive as a focal point. in this way, since the dominant civilized aspect is that of the lady and sigmar, it might not be considered pagan in that manner.
>>96995270I do think the retired jade warrior has some potential as a narrative hook, but I think we need more clarity for what it means to be a peasent or jade warrior in cathay. I also appreciate the dragon flag, we do nee more of those... windsock style banners or whatever they are called.
>>96993310>>96994542>>96994549Where did you find these? I love looking at stuff like this
>>96995891That was from a WD around the Storm of Chaos period when those warriors first released.
>>96995891Check out White Dwarf Issue 294 (UK)
does anyone actually have a collection of all the white dwarf stuff somewhere?
>>96995924/GROG/ has them from issue 1 to 399.>>96781974
>>96995891White Dwarf 294. If you look through the 200s White Dwarfs in the Warhammer Vault and the Citadel Catalogs which are online there's lots of stuff like that
>>96995939*2000s not 200s
>>96995939I am more than willing to open my wallet and literally throw my cash at the side of GW HQ in exchange for models like this. But GW will cross their arms, refuse, then insist I buy something else that's newer and pretend its the same thing.Absolutely retarded.
>>96995434Why is there not more fantasy wargaming based on the dark ages? Dark ages best ages desu
Mixed up the night goblin kit and the regular goblin kit to make a beefy boy for a night goblin mordeheim mob.
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>>96996369>S4 T4 Git
>>96995316>rummaged armor to wearIf i see rummaged bits of jade warrior armor on a peasant my default assumption would be 'Oh these guys are supposed to be bandits'On the other hand the straw hats really sells that they are just a random peasant levy.
So considering the new chaos marauders look a bit like the bearmen from the new WH3 DLC, and of course the Kurgan war horses looking like the mounted marauders.... what are the odds we start seeing more units from WH3 in TOW? I mean i don't expect the worm of course, Preyton and Chimera are already in as is the skycutter and Merwyrm.... the slaanesh units are likely a long ways away if they ever get to the god devoted armies..... which leaves us with the Curs'd Ettin not counting lords/heroes.
I don't own any OW models, or plan to play the OW game.But I really liked Mulan as a kid and the idea of painting some Cathay orientals in the colors of Mulan's armor sounds awesome. The army looks really really tedious to paint though with all the details and overlapping materials. What model (or alternative manufacturer) would I have the best luck with? Or am I just SoL?
>>96996755You're fucked without a 3d printer until WGA releases their warring states kits. And even then those are some 2000 years to early.
>>96996369>>96996374Hill Gobbo.
>>96992614this
>>96996802I will now make a unit of hill gobbos starting with this warband. Thanks anon.
>>96996755Perry Miniatures makes these fine koreans.
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>>96997427Even more soulless than gw
Why do grognards have such terrible taste? I mean they go around complaining that everything after 1991 sucks and then they think this is the coolest thing ever
Why is nobody seeding the torrents for all the WFB and WFRP and White Dwarfs. What Am I meant to do with my life?
>>96997453If I had a printer I'd get them because assembling these is tedious. At least when Malifaux did it, you had like three figures a box and some were cute girls.
>>96997597>If I had a printer I'd get themthose are printed, but are not the files, there are other third party not!cathay files to print yourself
I see Perrynigger is talking to himself
>>96990805It's the one of the best versions if no one uses ridden monsters (and to a lesser extent characters on chariots). If you do, it's one of the worst versions as their rules are super boring and completely busted at the same time, overshadowing anything else going on.
>>96997527It's nostalgia and a lack of self-knowledge. They first looked upon these kits with the eyes of a child, when everything felt awesome, novel, and full of wonder. They allowed that feeling to percolate within them for decades instead of challenging it or questioning/progressing their interior condition and aesthetic competence.
>>96997527The paintjob is a bit crude but there's nothing wrong with the sculpts themselves.
>>96995411>the unenlightened and rustic, that which exists in the outskirts of society and cannot survive as a focal point.So basically just the Old Gods of the Huymans, like Taal or Ryha, would be considered "pagan"
>>96994237A goblin a day is not bad (half of people paint 0 models a day). Nice troll.
>>96994237why do we have so little information about trolls despite their long-standing presence in the background?
>>96997893Because they are literally brainless caveman, there is no story to be told about them.
>>96997527you wouldn't get it zoomie.
>>96997893They are just really simple. What is there to talk about?
>>96997900>What is there to talk about?what was the species they originally mutated from like?what makes them adapt to the various environments so much?what makes them so affine to greenskins more than other chaos monsters?how do they reproduce? do they have multiple means of reproduction?they're intelligent enough to make clothes and tools, what's their culture?are they related to ogres like a cancelled ogres+trolls rpg supplement allegedly wanted to explore? making yetis snow trolls?or are they related to treemen, like tolkien considered for his own trolls?or are they ancestrally goblinoids?what's up in throgg's head, what's his vision for his own race?
>>96997958Why do you assume they are Chaos in origin?They could easily be a pre-old one race that they couldn't make go extinct
>>96997964>Why do you assume they are Chaos in origin?because I think the fluff says so in multiple places?
>>96997997Where does it say this?
>>96997958People like you are why bloated wikia exist.
>>96997958You're thinking too much about this bro. Please remember that Priestley and co. wrote fluff and lore for Warhammer when they were drunk at 3am desperately trying to meet a deadline set by GW in the early '90s. Warhammer is a game first and foremost. The details about the universe it is played in were literally an afterthought. Not saying that they were disinterested in fleshing out the world, but they did so in the laziest way possible so they could get games and minis on the table fast. There is a reason Warhammer is just generic fantasy tropes mixed with history and pop culture references. It is not meant to be a detailed fantasy world ripe for interpretation and analysis etc.
>>96998016But I like it that way
>>96997527these minis are hand-sculpted works of art each. they are much more interesting than the chunky MMO cadslop gw churns out and adds variety to peoples armies. they look great as marauders
>>96997527Everything after the year 2002 sucks, but 1991 is also a decent cut-off year. Also, those models are nice. They're Dr. Blaxill's models, he makes battle report videos that are actually watchable. You gotta look at the army as a whole before casting judgment, you know.
>>96998013
>>96997527>everything after 2008 sucksFTFY
>>96998248This reads more that they already existed there, but chaos made them into trolls after chaos got there.
>>96998248fair enough, puts them in the same group as Griffons, Hippogryphs and Winged Lions
Beastchad testmodel. Except for the red eyes I like how he turned out.
>>96998544Cute rats
>>96997958Because nobody finds that level of autistic information remotely interesting. Trolls are trolls
>>96998544Why don't you like the red eyes? Looks pretty good to me
>>96998579Luv ratties>>96998614Thanks. I think they are not very expressive on a model that otherwise oozes character. Maybe pupils will help.
>>96998706What color pupils? I think its good with solid color eyes, but I'm partial to that already in warhammer fantasy. Not for everything obviously, but certain races benefit from it nicely.
>>96994185>15 social credits have been deposited in your account
What new or MTO models would my fellow BretonniaGODS like to see next? I'd go for a mortar and bombard MTO and would very much like to see the manlets-at-arms and shitflinger archers updated with less retarded 5e style infantry.
>>96998764>I'd go for a mortar and bombardthe old Citadel models from the 80s?I'm pretty sure you can still get those from Wargames Foundry
>>96998764>I'd go for a mortar and bombard MTOI'd at least do a Made to Order for the old Bret bombard and things like crossbowmen. Like you also said, would prefer them to revamp the Men at Arms / Peasants to look like their 5e counterparts. I think what needs an update would be Pegasus Knights due to their issue ranking up. Perhaps making a Gryphon model for a Duke due to us lacking it.
>>96998720Probably black but I don't know yet. This winter I'll be completing my Brets so the beasts will have to wait their turn.>>96998764I've seen many great bombard models by searching for miniatures from the 100 years war.
>>96998773Huh, you're absolutely right. These are the exact models, except I believe they're missing the mantlet on the heavy bombard. Nice, good to know.>>96998781I don't trust GW to do a reasonably priced MTO for infantry unless it's for single characters. They recently ran an MTO for the 5e infantry and they were like $12 per model iirc. I'd rather they just remodel the kits at this point, getting 5e recasts is always an option if their redesign sucks.>Gryphon model for a DukeThere are two metal hippogryph sculpts already, both for Louen Leoncoeur. Plenty of good proonts as well, or you could even just use an Empire gryphon instead.
>>96998764This is a personal want, but I wish there was a more infantry focused dukedom or sub faction of Bretonia. I feel like most factions have at least two "specializations" that you can focus into in your roster. Like you can have a more gunpowder focused army or faith and knight army for Empire. Or Skaven having more mechanical aspects with skryre or more monsters with Molder. While Bretonnia is all cavalry all the time.Think something thats a little more french angivan/english, Like one dukedom that does its own thing, with more focus on dismounted knights and AP-1 longbowmen. But whose cavalry is more expensive/less available to compensate.Another thing might be more focus on monsterous cavalry units, like knights ridding giant lions or a mythical questing beast, maybe as a more lady/fey focused magical thing.
>>96998992I would say the Exiles and Crusading list have done a decent job diversifying Brettonia's gameplay options, but Brettonia is rather monothematically focused on its Chivalric Romance aesthetics, so it's hard to justify expanding out of that since that has been Brettonia's thing since 5th edition.A more horror-based or Fey list might be an interesting addition not like GW hasn't taken inspiration from stuff like Averoigne in the past
>>96999049Yah, but chivalric romances really arent all about horses. Ive read most of chretian de troye's and although there is a decent amount of horse combat, Lancelot or Yvain just as often fight on foot. And the english were very much still a part of the chivalric culture even when they developed preferences for foot combat.
>>96992435Yeah they're everywhere, the idea that they're from Albion is basically based on nothing besides Albion = Celtic and Fimir = Celtic
>>96999093The Fimir are the fomorians from Irish myth rather than Celts.
>>96999169Do we not consider the Irish culturally Celtic anymore?
New Maruders next week>https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/amxn8f1q/sunday-preview-get-into-the-melee-with-assault-terminators-and-chaos-marauders/
>dwarfs can cast magic like wizards in TOWlmao, TOW is gay as shit
>>96999236I’m probably gonna buy the terminator stuff. Really wish they didn’t remove the old marauders tho.
>>96999271Yeah, they were great for kitbashingWe are also seeing the inherent failure of the AJ book system since it's just exists to try and get more players to buy more books rather than being a good format to disseminate information>To use the Warriors of Chaos rules you’ll need Ravening Hordes and Arcane Journal: Warriors of Chaos, and to play Path to Glory campaigns you will need Arcane Journal: The War of Settra’s Fury.Empire MTO looks nice at least
>>96999236Those empire mto's are gonna be overpriced to shit aren't they?
>>96999248What are you talking about?
>>96999297yes
>>96999297What was the price for the Brettonia MTO earlier this year again?If I had to guess, it would be the same price as this Empire MTO
>>96999169Irish are Celtic you fucking retard
>>96999327It was fucking insane. You could find better deals on ebay kek
>cathay sends all their armies west to help the empireSo cathay is just Elves: East now? Both of them sending guys to prop up the old world so chaos doesn't fuck with them.
>>96999327Was very pricey, so didnt bother
>>96999415The Dragon Emperor considers the West under the guardianship of the Elves and Dwarfs. However, his love for the humans of the Empire motivates him to support them whenever he can.Did you not read the Arcane Tome?
>>96999327I truly don't understand why you'd pay GW prices for worse Perry sculpts than you can buy from the Perrys now for less but then I always have to remind myself whales exist.
>>96999327It pisses me off that the heavy metal retards think gambeson is leather. They're clearly painted to look like leather in this image, every single one.
>>96999440It was an MTO. It was done purely to try and grab money from people nostalgic for those older metal models
>>96999440They're fantastic sculpts. Perry plastic HYW is acceptable tier in comparison.
>>96999415Wouldn't be a problem if the elves did their fucking job.
I've painted my ogre fillers for spearmen and swordsmen. Now it's time to build the unit of the latter. You can't even fathom how happy I was when I managed to grab this box for half of the usual eBay price from a local secondhand market. After that one more unit and I'll have my stirland at 2k points done.
>>96999553>StirlandHoly fvcking based
>>96999315not that guy but Rune Lore means that for the sake of dispelling only units with the special rule act the same as wizards.Runesmith = lvl 1 Rune Lord = lvl 2Anvil of Doom = lvl 3
>>96999522t.
You'd think they'd give us some icons on the Old World map for Norscan tribes now that we are getting an AJ on them specifically.
>>96999236>almost caved and bought a 40k Battleforce on weekend>didn’t because meh deal and meh points I feel like I am being rewarded with these marauders
>>96999739actually have they updated it recently? I don't remember the skaven references
>>96999248But they can't, shitposterkun?
>>96999836Do not respond to Perry. He activates whenever TOW has a new release or big reveal. Let him talk to himself.
>>96999433>his love for the humans of the EmpireWtf, did he get bleached by Sigmar too?
>>96999812Those new Models will probably sell out fast since it's a limited edition box, and I'm going to guess the main release won't happen till next year
>>96999846how do I recognise his style?
>>96999949You just need to have schizophrenia.
>>96998544ANOTHER FUCKING BEASTCHAD HAS HIT THE THREAD
>>96999871If it’s the same cost as the other battalions then I am absolutely grabbing one to put on the hobby pile considering it’s a fomo box.
have the battalion boxes always been $200?
>>96999949You will know him by his mark (anyone who disagrees with me)
>>97000007They went up from $220 to $230 CAD after the recent price hike here. But stores here offer discount of 15-20% so you have to factor that in.
>>96999992Would be kind of meh desucompare it to the Wood Elf box that's got an extra 12 archers or the Chaos Warrior box that has 8 fewer warriors but it's got 2 Chariots. If it costs the $195 of the other boxes that'd feel pretty meh
When's Kislev?
>>97000057Canceled by Putler, chud
Anybody paint any good grotesque faces lately?
>>97000049It’s more so the number of kits. All battalion boxes and this box are 3 kits. Marauders will be sold in 20 like older sculpt elites are currently. 2 marauder kits and 1 cav kit with the standard almost buy 2 get 1 free battalion discount
>>97000113I love this.
>>97000116marauders being more elite than chaos warriors is gonna be wild. Was kinda thinking the 2 transfer sheet thing would indicate that you get 1 sheet for the horses and 1 for the marauders which would push it towards 40 marauders in a box.
>>96999812You kinda sound like a fag. Like the type Perry has every right to make fun of.
>>97000113Yeah your mom doing makeup
>>97000161They won’t be more elite in game, but model wise yeah. The cost of being a new sculpt
>>96999836yes they can retard, runelords can use runes that are indistinguishable from regular spells>>96999846>anyone who criticises TOW is le perryfagkill yourself
>>97000172>>97000219>>97000323But it is you, almost certainly, at least according to AI designed to analyze speech. You're a sad and pathetic person talking to yourself and hurling negativity at randoms.
Currently working on AoS Stormvermin and painting them feels fairly miserable. I hate how some of the poses have the halberds blocking the chest area in a way that it becomes laughably unfun to paint. The alternative is to paint them in parts but I find that trying to glue the itty bitty hands after you've painted everything is an equally bad alternative. So my question is to the people who have worked on the new TOW kits is this: I know the Cathayan Sentinel is a bit of a meme to assemble, but how are you guys finding the painting side of things when working with the modern TOW models? Do they also suffer from awkward weapon placements or poses that can make painting some details a pain?
>>97000358>according to AI designed to analyze speech.lmao, what a little faggot you are. Here you go retard, here's a snapshot from my window, it's a random street in Madrid, Spain, where perryfag does not live. You can see the street name and the peluqería. Go ahead, use your gay AI tools to analyse the photo and vindicate me. I also have no idea who those other posts are which you've quoted and once again in your schizophrenic autistic rage have accused of being perryfag.Why do you get so defensive over TOW? Why do you have to rush to its defense when someone criticises it? It's cringe as fuck dude, just accept that people can have gripes with it.
>>97000057early 2026trust the process
>>97000057next year
Post dudes! If you don't a warherd will come visit the nearest empire village at the next full moon.
>>97000057i think we might get it before Cathay wave 2 desu, the Marauder rework/focus on norscan tribes makes sense if we are going to be see the nation on the border of Norsca..... I also wanna know why they'd rather invade the wastelands over kislev desu,.....
>>96999248There are many problems with TOW's magic system, the... what's a good word for it, standardization? Genericization? Blandification? It's boring, is what I'm saying! Everything is on 2d6! Abilities that used to be spells are now just leadership abilities! The spells are boring, etc. We can discuss that, but which runes are you talking about specifically? I know the anvil of doom has runes that it can strike which function as bound spells, but runelords and runesmiths don't really get to do that. There's exactly one master rune that gives any dwarf character a bound spell that makes spells harder to cast but that's it. Elaborate on what you mean, anon, because I'm not understanding what you're talking about.
>>97000526Started working on the new rat ogres. Almost finished with the basecoats.
>>97000562I believe they are referring to the Rune Lord special rule which has models with the rule act as Wizards for dispelling magic.
>>97000526I will start painting my beastmen army (my fourth TOW army) when I finish painting 20 flagellants, 28 militia models, 2 halberdiers, 2 cannons with crew, 1 knight and one extra command squad, I swear to god Tzeentch
>>97000625Ah. Okay. And? Rune Lore gave dwarf players an extra dispel die or two back in 6th. Power and dispel dice don't exist in TOW anymore, so runesmiths and runelords get to dispel like wizards do. Is he upset that runelord and runesmiths don't just give him extra fated dispels? I agree that it's pretty gay that they changed the magic system, but he also explicitly said that he's mad about dwarfs casting magic like wizards, he didn't mention dispels at all, so I don't know what he's talking about. Also, the anvil of doom was also able to strike runes that caused spell-like effects back in 6th too. So, again, I have no idea what he's complaining about. Runesmiths and rune lords do not get to cast spells, they only get to dispel like wizards because the entire magic system was overhauled and made bad on purpose, and the Rune Lore special rule, when taking all of this into account, hasn't changed that much. If anything, dwarfs are better at dispelling magic than ever before, so why is he upset?
>>97000542No, they announced in the stream that the second cathay wave will drop winter/spring 2026.
>>97000526>If you don't a warherd will come visit the nearest empire village at the next full moon.You may try
>>97000683i mean that's a 6 month period for release. Plenty of time for other stuff
>>97000714500 worlds worth of stuff.
>>97000690 That chainmail could do with a wash to something
>>97000690As much as I can appreciate the current crop of mongoloid ogres, these old school guys who look like "Big ugly fella from down at the pub" really charm me. British people might genuinely be the masters of depicting ugly sons of bitches. That guy on the left in particular I can almost smell. You don't get that from American sculptors, let ALONE an Asian aesthetic.
>>96999291>>96999271Youve both had over a quarter of a century to buy them, if you dont have enough for kitbashing now you dont really love them that much.
>>97000526My araby, first part of core infantry.
>>97000425Fantasy minis were always kind of hard to paint>40 k>slap one color on the mini, one on weapon, maybe one more for detail>wfb>skin, primary color, secondary color, metalics, weapon secondary color (hilts and stuff), details, leather elements then shade all of it.
>>97000819Why do people keep saying this? Every time a model stops being sold, some anon pipes up saying "if you wanted them, you would have bought them! they've been around for decades!" as if everyone has been in the hobby forever. It's lame, anon. You're lame. Shut up. Would you say the same thing to someone wanting GW to start selling the old metal models from the realm of chaos days? "Hurr, they sold those for a decade!!! should have bought them back then, retard!" shut up. You're not even wrong, anons should buy models that they like while they can, but everyone who says what you're saying says it so arrogantly. Shut up. The new marauders suck and I blame you for them sucking.
>>96990709Okay I know there's an amount of fresh outness and different cultures among the different provinces of the Empire of man / fantasy Holy Roman Empire and a while ago when I was watching someone's YouTube video about Grand Cathay fiction that they made for the tabletop game there was apparently back in the day some different cultures or groups of people who made up the different parts Ruler of the provinces #the dragon children each took over one of those previously different people that now make up Grand Cathay so should be different says among these different parts of not China that predates even the different children taking them over? And do we have any of that? I made this not knowing what will be the target of the conversation for the general when I come to upload my question.
>>97000888They might not be perfect but the old marauders were literally the worst looking minis in the line.Of course they were better for converting and kitbashing purposes but that does not change the fact they were dogshit.
>>97000917fucking tzeentchian mother fuckers trying to give me a stroke.
If I did not want to give up my shooty Expeditionary Force with souped up Thunderers, artillery, Scout Gyros, and Rangers but also want my Skaven friend to have a pretty good chance of winning, would 1500 to his 2000 points with each kill point he earns off me being worth 1.25 be enough?
>>97000475>perryfag shitposts even when on vacationSad
Does the green knight even have a book
>>97001191Would Gawain and the Green Knight count?
>>96999178They are skaven
Do new marauders even have cool two handed weapons
>>97001681Lazy faggot, look it up yourself.
>>97000851orcs are much easier to paint than orks, they are way less overly detailed and annoying to paint space marines are just designed for children, hence why they only appeal to manchildren
>>97000888>>97000995I remember talking about how shit these models looked prior to the invasion of iraq. Im sorry you are so in love with them but they are a widely reviled and mocked set of miniatures and have been basically since they were released. Absolutely no new players to the system is excited to get these old ass models whereas many many people are excited for the new ones. If theyve got a special place in your heart, thats fine, youve had more than enough time to appreciate them, dont get mad when people who have been asking for replacements for 2 decades actually get them. You might as well demand they stop making new models at all
>>97002411>whereas many many people are excited for the new ones.These same people will build these models, maybe prime them, and then realize how fucking ass these models are to paint.
>>96993840It's the faces. They're very anonymous and doll-like.It's not a new thing and is unfortunately present in a lot of plastic kits: the dwarf core is a prime example of this, but you also see it on the bretonnian knights on foot.They appear "fake", for lack of a better word almost as if you're looking at a maks and not at a face.
new box is $215. its meh. I wont fall for fomo, ill probably just wait until wood elves or brets get updated cav before I jump into the game.
>>97002649An extra $20 over the other battalion boxes? That's kinda dumb $200 for a battalion box was already pricey
>>97002730wait, sorry I lied. Its 180 in states. I guess its better. Still sticking by my word though.
>>97002778So its..... cheaper than the normal boxes..... well i won't complain but that's still odd....
>>97002778Is the marauder set going to stay in production or is it a one and done set with smaller boxes coming later? Im not sure if battalions etc are regularly called army reinforcement sets or if this indicates something different?
>>97002951Assume it's a FOMO box unless stated by GW
Where are these prices coming from? The new marauder FOMO box costing more than a battalion box seems unreasonable to me.
>>97003104>GW>unreasonable Yeah checks out. These are the same people that sell 13 figures and a book for >$300.
>>97000714they would have announced kislev already, if they intend to release it before the second cathay release. unless its a small pity release, intented as reinformencts for empire.
>>97002951>>97003029reinforcement boxes are limited releases, as stated on GWs social media accounts.so same will go for the cathay peasents. but I dont think the individual releases of the kits will be too far off.
>>97003112This is TOW not AoS or 40k. You might want to go back and have a good look at the TOW prices and compare them to the main studio games.
>>97003104It's not more expensive, it's by $15 cheaper in both American and Canadian dollars
>>97003159Interesting. I just did a rough currency conversion and it'd be way more expensive for me in Europe, but I suppose US/CAN friends have to pay an additional tax. I know the prices are pretty exorbitant in Australia.
isnt the new box just two kits
>>97003146Anon, we're not special. The better TOW performs, the more they're gonna squeeze us. Remember when AoS had $80 intro boxes? They're now $145. I fully expect GW to be as greedy and miserable as possible.
>>97003210Thus far all the SDS games (Blood Bowl, Necromunda, Horus Heresy, TOW) are way lower in price than the mainline studio games. A price hike is always possible but as of yet I've not seen that happen.
So I'm getting into Beastmen a little bit, and apparently they used to be able to field big critters like pic related, at least in lore. Is it too "AoS" to work for a Fantasy display board?
Bring them back you whores
>>97003345if you're thinking of proxying that with a razorgor then my personal preference would be nah. Too much orcish armor on that. Beastmen should be as naked as possible, especially the literal animals.
>>97003361dey ugly yo
>>97003029>>97003139Awesome thanks for the confirmation, I wasnt sure If I imagined seeing that somewhere or not
>>97002778Seems like a placeholder price since they are priced at the same range as the AoS / 40K Battleforce boxes. I don't think GW has revealed what the reinforcement sets price point will be yet.
>>97003361Those look ridiculously derpy. Forsaken is the ideal unit for kitbashing.
>>97003700mutated chaos warriors and chosen are really cool in theory. too bad the only kit we have is monopose. There's limitless possibilities and all we get are 5 dudes with 2 choices of arms for eachat least it's fun to build to your own
>>97003345They had Razorgors, which I believe were considerably smaller than that model. I personally hated them when they came out, they look extremely cartoony and I feel like the pig aesthetic is already heavily claimed by the orcs so it feels odd to just shoehorn a spiky Poomba into beastmen. This model definitely looks A: very orcy, B: too armoured and C: too big (probably), even though I like it a lot more as a model I think it fits much worse with the army.Question for the thread though, whats something else that could be a better fitting counts as for a razorgor that isnt a pig?
>>97003361>>97003431Please, there as some things best left forgotten
>>96999236So they've (barely) updated the map and moved the setting forwards 2 years.ok
>>97003345that thing is not mutated enough pic related is the only instance I know of something even remotely similarrulewise I don't know what you could use it for, maybe as proxy for a ghorgonbut fluffwise all factions have a plethora or stuff beyond what's listed in the armybooks, including exceptional one-off things
>>96999553The retarded barefoot downie looking 7th sculpts would better represent Stirland, no?
how do the new bretonnia units compared to the oldschool ones i had from like 2008? what ae your guys thoughts? can i buy the new ones and use them with the old ones as long as the bases match?
>>97003750a chaos spawn but that started from an animal, instead of a humanpreferably something bear-like or wolf-like
>>97003759Beyond some skirmishes here and there the setting is still mostly in sleep mode. Things will really start happening once the Great War Against Chaos starts. We're still in the prelude.
>>97003837>Beyond some skirmishes here and there the setting is still mostly in sleep modethats a good thing. dont need bigger conflicts than Settras Fury.
>>97003799Ohhhh I actually like that. I think it'd be super hard to pull off but possible? Like a bear super overgrown by plants or something, lean into the beastmen forest theme? Would be a fun hobby project even if it didn't work out
>>97003750I'm convinced that this thing was sculpted as replacement of the boars on the normal beastmen chariotsnotice how no part of the design spikes horizontally so they can be stacked one next to the other except it came out way too ugly so instead of making a second one and replacing the things on the chariot they said fuck it and kept both, throwing this one as both a new unit and something hobbyists could choose to replace the boars with
>>97003345>>97003387The armour plating is semi-optional iirc, could always keep em off and greenstuff some fur on the bald spots
>>97003759Frydaal invades in 2276 so i guess the map is post-invasion.... in any case does this mean that the war of Sand and Snow is next? I kinda figured it was what settra was mad about but that doesn't start till 2281
>>97003931That.... Actually kinda makes way too much sense.It does really feel like one of those semi abandoned projects that they occasionally pick up and release because they cant be bothered to do something new. Beastmen were definitely heading towards their 'weird shit' era when the razorgor released where there was a ton of odd monsters that didnt feel particularly beastmen let alone fantasy like the Jabberslythe and shit getting added in very willy nilly.
Whoops, bought the Grand Cathay Battalion because I found a box for £75. How big a mistake did I make?
>>97003965That would def go a long way, if you feel like doing it for a display just go for it, I think a classic plastic giant or cygor might just be a better pick though, but honestly who cares.
>>97004008I think GW will forget that Sand and Snow occur around this timeframe or move it to a different point in the timeline.
>>97003784Anon there are no new minis its the same old shit except for some heroes and foot knights which are the ugliest fucking sculpt ever.
>>97003906If you REALLY wanted to go nuts, track down a scan or a copy of Slaves To Darkness (the first Realms Of Chaos book). Got metric fucktons of charts and tables to roll on that produce some really bonkers results. I had SO many A4 pads just full of random warbands and Daemon Princes etc back then...
>>97004118> which are the ugliest fucking sculpt ever.the new generic chaos heroes say hi
>>97004092the beastmen monsters had a slightly different reason, I'm led to believethe 7th ed beastmen armybook was done more or less during the same time period where gw also made the 5th ed tyranids codex for 40k, both of those books contain some unit profiles for big things without models, things you were meant to convert, like the jabber, the cygor, the gorghon, and for 40k the tyrannofex, the tervigon and the harpyand while it is believable that they might have already had plans to follow those with model kits, history shows that third party models made their proxies first, then the chapterhouse lawsuit fiasco happened, and then gw suddenly rushed a lot of tyranid kits and a lot of monsters for fantasy, both as the release wave of beastmen in 8th ed, and as stuff for storm of magica number of these kits aren't really that good in all honestly, and you can see at times how they were rushed, the cygor/gorgon one for example was undeniably a reskinned giant down to the paunch and hoovesso yeah, beasts were shafted in multiple ways
>>97004136Oh my god I had completely forgot that they started without models released. Its honestly been very weird going back to ToW where theyre just like "theres no model for this just convert it" literally written in a box next to the statlines
I'm assigning each faction a rock/metal genre because I can.Empire - trad. heavy metalBretonnia - power metalDwarfs - viking metalHigh Elves - prog rock/metalWood Elves - folk metalLizardmen - djentTomb Kings - desert rock/stoner metalOrcs and Goblins - punk rock (specifically oi!)Ogre Kingdoms - sludge metal Skaven - industrial metal/noise rockChaos - death metalDark Elves - black metalVampire Counts - symphonic black metal/gothic metal
>>97004161It's a sad state of affair that those things are an exceptional novelty nowadays, I feel armybooks are much richer when there's a bunch of characters, equipment options and units or monsters you have to convert.
>>97004167You forgot chaos dwarves:https://youtu.be/ulBjuvmKbtA?si=wyv9O4-_Gmjm56xT
>>97004173Alongside monsters I do love things like black orc chariots/tomb guard chariots - stuff that should exist rules wise but its a bit stupid to put resources towards making actual miniatures for when its such an easy conversion
>>97004118are you saying they put the old bretonnia knight sprues back into production? the same ones i had in 2008?
>>97004193Oh shit yeah. There's plenty of eastern influenced black/death metal for Chorfs at least. I think tech-death could be a good fit too.
Maybe this is just me, but I would have preferred the cavalry to have some steppe/mongol/hun horde influence rather than just be 'Norsca but on horses'My reasoning is this - if you want to do your Viking/norsca theme, horses aren't really super on-theme in the first place. Vikings used them to get from place to place, yes, but rarely used them in combatHowever, there are tonnes of mongol/hun/steppe themed chaos tribes in the chaos wastes. We know that the chaos tribes are constantly infighting til they're united by a strong leader, so it shouldn't be off brand for the light cav to be a different tribe to the marauder infantry
>>97004239For double the price.That goes for all other factions too.
Does anyone know what the back side of the Cathay shields look like? Wood grain or just flat metal?
>>97003750I think Razorgors aren’t that goofy, they are an older model for sure, but I still think they fit with the whole ”folktales of the forest turned real” vibe.
>>97004433Flat
>>97004393I would loooove some Hung horsemen, that would be so sick, but I do think having the infantry and cavalry visually linked is a good idea for a first rerelease, especially for anyone wanting to portray a single tribe's warriors, and although horsemen aren't really a viking thing, cavalry are a real chaos thing. Chaos knights are super iconic to the faction and having a visual precursor to chaos knights just like with chaos warriors fits very well.I was thinking how you could rules wise differentiate the Hung from normal marauder horsemen but Im coming up blank? I do love steppe archers but I feel like it just does not suit a far north chaos faction, maybe Ungols though?
>>97004444Honestly I think its just 90% the big eye with the really defined curve to the eyelid. it just feels very dreamworks face to me
>>97004393I just don’t like norsca or Vikings in general. Greeks had better raiders.
>>97004467I can see where you’re coming from, the other side looks good, but the mini overall was fun to paint, even the big eye
>>97004393Forgot pic coz tarded
You think Warhammer will crash one day like Funko Pop did?
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/5wik4apb/old-world-almanack-chaos-marauders-designers-notes/Have we had pics of them with great weapons before now?
>>97004494They look like a hassle to paint just like the Cathay models.
>>97004509only in the background.I do wish GW would give guides on how to build the terrain in some of these photos
Longboats are cool too
>>97004393people prefer uniformity, sadly enough
>>97004451I wouldn't mind then having either bows or throwing axes and and maybe bolas/nets as a kind of special weapon. Make them shorter (bit still broad) give them asiatic creatures and ride slightly mutated steeds, and still have them be half naked but the bit of clothing and armour (helmet, shoulders, etc). they do have might be more like lamellar/other eastern gear
>>97004518wonder if they built more than one of those Walfships or if they just photoshop it in from different angles
>>97004556Wolfships*
>>97004556they definitely built just one
i hate these ugly hunchback retards
>>97004556they look photoshopped
>>97004591But thats just how empire men are
can Wood Elf Realms run Dryads?
>>97004591I mostly just hate one of the bodies being shoeless (and that monkey head)
>>97004599every previous iteration of state troops are huge improvements from the retard monkey boys of 7th. i thought i could make a mordheim warband out of them and the militia kit, but the state troop bodies are too bent over to look good doing anything
>>97004602yes
>>97004617Neat. I'm trying to figure out how to justify buying the Sylvaneth Battleforce for my AoS army, and I don't want to include the Dryads in that army because the old sculpts look so out of place.But if I think of them as actually the start of a Wood Elf army, then maybe...
>>97004488Its honestly just my weird hangup, your paintjob looks great btw anon, love the diorama shots as well youve been doing
>>97004624>because the old sculpts look so out of place.I really don't get the difference beyond a very superficial one between the slightly more organic angles of the old dryads and the harsher angles and flatter surfaces of the new onesYou sure you wouldn't be able to deal with them simply by giving them all the same colour scheme and hard highlights?You could probably even use the spare bald heads and claws for them, since I bet you'll be assembling the actual aos models as the ones with hair and weapons
>>97004814Nta but having painted a bit of both for some hobby projects, the difference is actually quite big when painting, the new sculpts have really clear and sharp details which makes it hard to use the same techniques between them and get the same look even when using the same colours.The newer sculpts are very much in the modern style of hard defined details to make edge highlighting easy, most of the details are very "ridged" if that makes sense, while the older ones are sculpted much more flat, with much less depths and heights and a more rounded surface. Its not totally incompatible but it is surprising how different the two can look when you are painting with the same technique, it can be a little jarring as a painter but its easy enough to handwave it away as being that they come from different "species" of trees.I honestly enjoy painting both of them, theyve each got their charms in their own style.
>>97004814It's a little more clear when you compare them to the updated Dryad design from the Warcry warband. (excuse the tentacles, that's part of the warbands diseased theme) The Dryad kit is clearly from a previous generation and doesn't match the style of tree sculpting that all the current Sylvaneth stuff has. Plus you end up with a lot of weird crossed arm poses that were a necessity when they had to be ranked up but don't look good on rounds.It's not a huge thing, but it's enough to make me not want to include them in my Sylvaneth.
>>97004625>love the diorama shots as well youve been doingThank you, but it’s nothing more than placing a few minis among my terrain pieces, everyone can do something similar, some anons here even make a way better effort than I do sometimes.Also have the other side of the pork missile while I’m at it.
>>97004393Norsca is a mistake imo because this Chaos horde is led by a Kurgan instead of a Norscan. They had the opportunity to show off a different flavor of Chaos but as usual the lore and minis will never work side-by-side.
Thoughts on terracotta/warpghost Cathayans? Only want to do it to maybe a single unit for some variety
>>97004985the chaos forces in the story at present are noscans though, this is before Kul is really a thing. The kul and kurgans are usually considered the chaos warrior and knight suppliers and not marauder tribes also.
>>97005225It's kinda lazy I guess, but if you want an entire model done quickly, it's alright
>>97005389>The kul and kurgans are usually considered the chaos warrior and knight suppliers and not marauder tribes also.I can see the knights since the Kurgans are described as masters of horseback riding but I'd think that should include marauders on horse as well. Kurgans are somewhat based on Scythians after all and they were obsessed with horses.
i spend all of my savings on oop warhammer miniatures
>>97003750I'm doing razorelks for mine. Fits the theme with preyton and they are in the forests cause the wood elves use them.
>>97005699you had to be there.
>>97005699you'll never be a hobbyist in the 90s
>>97005699Based box-ripping fat chad
>>97005886I can pretend to.
>>97005699I did this then they all burned down in a fire and insurance didn't cover it and now I don't have any warhammer because now whenever I look to buy more I just get depressed that I can't have my old ones back and also don't have savings.
>>97005946Are you the Fimir guy?
>>97005946bruh ;’( im so sorry. thats not very nice or good or fair. can i ask how the fire started im scared of fire too
>>97005966I am yeah, some of the really old stuff is fun.
>>97004509Aww yeah new Chaos Warriors incoming.
>>97004985>They had the opportunity to show off a different flavor of Chaos but as usual the lore and minis will never work side-by-sideThe Kurgan look has been the default chaos look for the last 30 years. The norscans are literally the different flavor of chaos you're saying they had the opportunity to show off.
>>97005983is that even a good thing?
>>97005946>insurance didn't cover itDid they actually not or did they just say they don't. They're bastards like that sometimes.
>>97005973It was a car fire while I was moving (hence all my warhammer in it), they reckon an electrical fault caused it.>>97005966>>97005981Sorry meant to say "some of the old stuff survived which is fun."
>>97005993The new Marauders are leagues better than the old ones, so assuming the same quality gap absolutely.
>>97006020Unsure, we're persuing it still but like even best case scenario we're looking getting paid in 6 months when they eventually cave. I don't wanna go into the details because I'd rather not dox myself that easily but yeah there's a loophole they're trying to use to get out of it.
>>97004624Tree lists in TOW are fun enough, if a little one note. They’re at least slightly more durable than the rest of the army which is made of paper mache
>>97005983I swear to god, you people cannot fucking read>Between their helmets and furs, the average Marauder has a silhouette not dissimilar to that of a classic Chaos Warrior**it's saying that the design choice was to make them look closer to chaos warriors because a big number of chaos warriors do actually come from marauders
>>97006066>I swear to god, you people cannot fucking readWe already got multiple leakers saying more Chaos Kits are on the way, so I'll take the hint for what it is eh
>>97005699Don't do that.
>>97006073there's no leaker saying chaos warriors are getting an update and this is quite literally not a hint, it's talking about the fluff progression from marauder to warrior being reflected in the new marauders looking closer to the warriors kit
>>97004510My thoughts exactly. Great models, and i'm sure they will look great if they are painted with more colours than just 50 different browns, but its just soooo many details.
>>97006066this >>97006066 is how I read it too, "foreshadowing what lies ahead for their more ferocious warriors", as in the greatest marauders will go on to become warriors, hence their similar silhouette is foreshadowing.Aos already did a chaos warriors and chosen update a year or two ago, which was basically just a very straight update. Be weird for tow to devote resources to that instead of something without overlap.
>>97006025I should say I didn't actually spend all my savings on it just a few grand in total over the years.
>>97006109Wrong again, but this is from a few hours ago, so I'll let it slide.>>97006121>Be weird for tow to devote resources to that instead of something without overlap.People were saying the SAME EXACT THING about Dark Oath and new Marauders before they were revealed. Its clear the TOW are chads who don't give a FUCK what AoS slop just got released.
>>97006171that guy is a fucking retard, the only two kits for chaos GW has actually hinted at are the chaos mammoth and the marauder chieftain on wolves chariot
>>97006108ok can i do some also what was the point of nemesis crown campaign did anyone care about it that much it doesnt seem important
>>97006190>GW has actually hinted at are the chaos mammoth and the marauder chieftain on wolves chariotWhat the fuck are you talking about m8, they explicity deconfirmed the mammoth last time we heard about it. Where are you getting that stuff about a wolf chariot too?
>>97006171If it’s a cancelled norsca kit it’s more likely to be chariots or probably something dumb like the axe throwers from tww. Berserkers are also a possibility.>its clear the TOW are chads who don't give a FUCK what AoS slop just got released.Say that without crying next time. You sound like a buck broken bitch boy.
>>97006220>Say that without crying next time. You sound like a buck broken bitch boy.Such a visceral reaction can only be had by someone who actually purchased Dark Oath. My condolences.
>>97006190>the marauder chieftain on wolves chariotwere was that hinted at?
>>97006066You know, sometimes I think my love for the 1997 chaos warrior kit has blinded me to how nice the 2004 models can be. I'll miss those Storm of Chaos warriors when they're gone, they formed the bulk of my army for a good four years before I decided I only wanted to collect models from before 6th edition. I should have a couple sprues worth of them left to assemble, I'll make an undivided regiment with them for old time's sake. It's not good to get bogged down in one project for too long like I have with my 5th ed undivided army.
>>97006218the mammoth rumour is the weirdest one like there wasn't any leak or anything to suggest a mammoth was in the works but the rumour just sprang up. I don't know if it was purely the AJ art or the armies on parade thing but people need to chill, when GW leaks it is in the same places and consistent.
>>97006295The Mammoth talk started well before AoP by a couple of months
>>97006171>People were saying the SAME EXACT THINGDid they? Either way, darkoath and marauders are pretty distinct iterations on the same concept, unless chaos warriors are about to look very different I don't think you can apply that same logic to them.
>>97006218>>97006252When the reveal article was first published it had a paragraph about norscans taming beasts, including mammoths, for howdahs, and wolves for chariotsI cannot find it again in the article, so they either edited it out or I am actually schizophrenic
>>97006171>People were saying the SAME EXACT THING about Dark Oath and new Marauders before they were revealed.Literally nobody was expecting marauders.
Just realized they could update aspiring champions are exalted heros or whatever the hell they're called. the model thats supposed to be not wulfrik
>>97006218>they explicity deconfirmed the mammoth last time we heard about it
>>97006328Yeah, this. New TOW warriors would basically look exactly like the AoS ones but posed for rank and file.Also, if they fucking make new chaos warriors before forsaken I'm gonna fucking scream and cry.
>>97006412Forsaken will likely get a model since they are one of the few options from the standard list with no Model.I could also see Chaos Trolls or Chaos Ogres getting new plastic models as well
>>97006440you're expecting too much from a scrapped norscan project.
>>97006454Forsaken would just be an update rather than part of this scrapped Norsca line, but it's weird there aren't any Character models for the Maruder Chiften
>>97006454where does this scrapped norsca idea come from? First time I'm hearing it, though I'm not surprised it was scrapped. They were a bad idea in twwh, let alone as an actual range.
>>97006519cathay was supposed to be a starter between them and norsca. No one really knows why it was scrapped, was originally going to be something bigger.
>>97006510What a weird post.
>>97006510Hey I'm not that anon and I want the 8th ed forsaken kit to come back. Some of the mutation bits look really cool like the fiery horn tzeentch one and the tentacle eye tzeentch one and the fucked up multi-tentacle-pimple-hand nurgle one and the slaanesh flesh crab claw one and the big arm one and the fat head one. My point is, I want mutations!
>>97006510Forsaken are definitely coming some day, but it'll be a new plastic kit.
>>97006527Yeah, I got distracted at work while phone posting so deleted it. Any ways, jist of it is nobody liked forsaken even when they were released and the guy asking for them each thread is basically what's referred to as a "Harbinger of Failure" in business. He should just list out all the over stuff he wants at this point because that way we'll know for sure it will never happen.
>>97006553>"Harbinger of Failure" in businessThis is genuinely me and we even joke about it at the LGS. Examples of hated/failed stuff that I like and bought include chaos dwarfs (but not Helsmiths), soul grinders, tzaangors, AoS hobgoblins, and the old 40k possessed and obliterators.
>>97006553Why didn't they like them? Is it really just because the kit looked bad, or was it because forsaken as a unit were really bad in 8th? Forsaken are really good in TOW, are you sure people wouldn't like that same kit nowadays? Maybe I'm just retarded or blind or something, but I like these guys, especially the tentacle eye dude and the tzeentch guy with one double-arm and one tentacle arm. I would buy the kit. If that anon and I are harbingers of failure, then so be it. Maybe everyone else just has bad taste in models.
>>97006598>aos hobgoblinshuh?
>>97006610I love the dude that has a teratoma homunculus coming out of his elbow
>>97006338>I cannot find it again in the article, so they either edited it out or I am actually schizophrenicI really don't remember that anon, perhaps it was a Total Warhammer article?
>>97006373They wouldn't say "Possibly in the future" to something actually in development. They give coy responses like "You'll just have to wait and see what the dark gods bring ;)"
>>97006616Hobgrot Slittaz from the Kruleboyz release. They're probably one of the dirt-cheapest kits you can get off of ebay right now because they were in the infamously overstocked/poor-selling (depending on who you ask) Dominion box and were useless. I bought a bunch to use as hobgoblins for TOW.
>>97006345Yeah, reread. That's the point I was making. People weren't expecting marauders because they were already in plastic and they felt that GW didn't want to retread that ground after having recently released Dark Oath.
>>97006637oh yeah I know but did they squat them or something?
>>97006657No, people just don't like them and don't buy them.
>>97006610>Is it really just because the kit looked badThis, I don't remember their rules, but it was a classic 80/20 these look like ass/goofy as fuck.
>>97006598Chaos dwarves (not HoH) are cool, but you're spot on with the rest.
>>97006610The bodies on these are fantastic but the heads got this kind of look.
>>97006718HoH are cool, and they've been a blast to paint compared to the dwarves i've been trudging through. >>97006723thats kind of the intent.
>>97006737>thats kind of the intent.Yeah it succeeds in that regard, I just like a more horror tint to my mutants. I like it when its truly horrific.
>>97006737>thats kind of the intentI mean yeah, but that sort of goofy generally doesn't appeal to chaos fans, it's more O&G's shtick.
would u play a game of fantasy with a tranny if their army was fully painted
>>97006890no
>>97006890As long as they had hygiene
>>97006890no I don't play
>>97006890What makes you think I haven't?
>>97006937what if they had hijinks
>>97006890Depends entirely on how offensive the sight and smell of them is, that said it's a 99% chance of 'no'.
>>97006610They are coming in the inevitable 2nd edition WoC vs Ogre Kingdoms launch box
>>97006890Depends on if they have a nice ass and still have their thing attached. We play winner tops in this house. And buddy I’ve been losing since the 1.5 changes launched.
>>97006890please I can barely conceal my disgust for the normal players at my LGS never mind a tranny
How do I divide up my Cathay box? Which cannons do I build, and what mix of halberds/shields do I build?
>>97007693sell one half to whales on ebay and dump the rest
>>97007693Cannons are GOATED, best in the game. Infantry I'd go with whatever is cooler, but Sword and Board are great now with the Parry rule from 1.5.
>>97006890No. Why should I?
>>96990765>ruined my models because GW said I had toWhat a fucking faggot
>>97008300His models look great, nothing was ruined.
>>97008300circle bases look dumb.
>>97006890>>97007741>>97008300Perrynigger do you really have nothing better to do with your life? If you are an adult then you should take a look at yourself, this behavior is sad.
I love the little sets they build for promos
>>96999553>>96999671Based>>97003774Averland hands typed this post.
>>97004591Always found the polearm posture awkward on these despite the tiny spears. If you're going to have models needing to be set out the same way with each deployment due to their arms intefering with the blokes in front, why not just go the whole way and have proper pikes as an option?
>>97008543>>97008543>>97008543>>97008543New
>>97008450huh the mouth of the norscan in the front reminds me of >>96993840Also i don't recognize who they are fighting.... the MTO for this week?
