Poison Edition>Bans (new)https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>97000144>TQWhat is your favorite kind of counter?
>>97010907+1/+1
>>97010907>What is your favorite kind of counter?Win.
>>97010907>TQ
>>97010969Shouldn't your opponent be unable to win the game as long as you have intervention counters and when you have 0 intervention counters you sac the enchantment and lose the game?
>TQI miss shield counters but I am also glad that they're gone.
who wants to help me build Jumpstart packs?I'm having a tough time evaluating the power level of the themes I've put together. I know some people make custom Jumpstart environments but I want mine to be interoperable with official Jumpstart themes, so if someone would be willing to look over what I've already made I'd appreciate the outside perspective
>>97010907>What is your favorite kind of counter?-spell
>>97011001>angel is some old ass bitch in a pantsuitAren't angels supposed to be uncannily beautiful and otherworldly?
>get caught cheating>someone brings it up later in the year>claim it was several years ago>try to deflect by telling people to move on, or take the pinkpill :3
I made another abomination. Is there anything I should change here?
>>97011107Fixed obvious typos.
>>97010907-1/-1no, not -2/-1, not -1/-0-1/-1>>97010919fuck YOU
>>97011107kill yourself
>>97011107Probably your internet usage
I'm finna murder Standard, my bros.Arabella is a walking nuclear bomb in this list. The endless goblins from Siege wipe midrange off the face of the earth.It's goooooooooooooood.
Thread Question
>>97011361>>97011419Is mass ward 3 too strong for a card like that?
>>97011465>have to pay 9 mana for barely better magus of the moon, otherwise he's a worse thalianot worth it
>>97011866Well I'm gonna make it work in Pioneer somehow.
>>97011465It's a bear
Any anons wanna help me recreate what >>97008077 has going on for himself?
>>97011883Mardu Hatebears could be a thing. I will make it a thing.
>>97011907This story reminds me of how I went to a PokemonTCG locals, how I was super touch-starved at the time, and I thought I was in-love with a FtM player I met because they made eye contact with me and briefly chatted with me.
>>97011066>He doesn't think women in suits are beautifulHell-bound mind.
9 of the top 12 decks in Standard feature blue.
67.3% of the Standard meta is blue.
>>97011972Tell me more about itAlso did you really mean ftm and not mtf?
>>97011448I beat a deck like this with a modified starter deck lol
>EDH players organizing a boycott of Lorwyn to protest a rules change in their fake format>WotC is probably going to see this and make the game all-UB from now om
I want to play a 1v1 format but all my friends just want to play commander. Where I can I find people who want to play standard or modern? I don't like arena.
>>97012242If there's a local mtg scene in your area then go to your LGS. If there isn't then either become a MTGO grinder or you're shit out of luck.
>>97012238Nobody is boycotting Lorwyn except people who hate bisexual lightingThat being said, fucking with color identity (the literal only interesting thing about the format) so maro can have an easier time shoehorning ub into magic is worth pushing back on
>>97012261It's over. I'm in the middle of nowhere.
>>97012267>Nobody is organizing a boycott...Except commander players who think it will signal to WotC that they don't want their format being messed with (very ironic)
>>97012242>"friends" aren't even willing to try out a format with youare they really?
>>97012228You do not.
>>97010855This is a problem even today
>>97012238UB universe restricted constructed commander should be a format
>>97012274Doesn't hurt to check if there are any stores in your area that might run events. Sometimes smaller towns have better scenes than large cities because running a store in a big city can be prohibitively expensive.
>>97012274Join me on mtgo. There's a thriving pauper scene. There are also leagues which cost money for standard etc., but I think most have left for arena if you want to play standard.
>>97012238>WotC is probably going to see this and make the game all-UB from now omgoodthe sooner the UB crash happens the sooner we can go back to real magic
>>97012416>real MagicIt will be the end of the transformation. There won't be real Magic anymore. Or rather, that will be the real Magic.
>>97012238Damn it's almost as if... EDH loony troonies need a solution.A final one, if you will.
>>97012408>Pauper I'm not Brazilian or brown enough
>>97011972But were you?
>>97012507Only a BR would say that
What is this art supposed to be? Phyrexian shit?
>>97012576Looks like it, yeah.
>>97012576>Mire>Ecology definition: a wetland area or ecosystem based on peatThe other definitions are either a stretch of bog/swamp ground or being stuck in mud; and neither of those really fit the image. So my guess is supposed to be the ecosystem one
>>97012576I thought it was a rock formation from afar, I never quite took a good look at it, and I own a copy of the card too.
>>97012576I think it's supposed to be a kind of swamp with blood and some staining on the stuff inside of the swamp because of the blood.
>>97012509I'm not black red, no
why did they make outlaw a typal group but not one for rebels, allies, clerics etc
>>97012708Because they made rebels, allies, clerics etc before they came up with the idea?
>>97012708Don't clerics have the whole "party" thing from the DnD set?
>>97012708It’s tribal, retard. Redskins don’t play this game.
WHY ISN'T IT OUT
>>97013040Why isn't what out?
>>97013040Because your pants are zipped up
Remember when we posted FNM results and exciting new brews, made original content and all that? What broke the Magic community?
It's over.The two biggest sellout companies are hooking up.
>>97013400Does this mean we're going to get a Mega Man UB with all the fixings? I already want to build a commander deck around stealing peoples shit and using it to defeat my opponents.
>>97013432You will get a Resident Evil UB where they use the RE3 Remake Jill design.
>>97013348Covid? I was only here for 4 years so i don't know much of the olden times.
>>97013400The hell is that flavor text for Ambassador? I don't think I've ever heard someone say something like that
>>97013447Fuck that, why would they do that? We have enough zombies in the MTG universe. We don't need more zombies. We need E-Tank commander mana rock reprints.
>>97013504The flavor text is written by unironic quirk chungus cat ladies and transsexuals who have not interacted with normal people in their entire lives.
when are we getting 2B in mtg, they let basically anyone use her
how is Avatar going /tg/?are you enjoying the experience?
>>97013685How about you make yourself a proxy card?
>>97013798I am sure there are a billion already, but I am just surprised we haven't already got it.WOTC is using cheap IPs that sell out to anyone in case you haven't caught on yet. It's why you see miku and godzilla first
>>97013849>wotc>ecchiPick one.
>>97013860they would completely miss the point and put 2b in a full dress with thighs off frame, but they would still do it
>>97013875>>97013860like this, 2b but safe for Seattle
>>97013685>I am a pig and want more slopSicko
>>97013900The community doesn't want scantly dressed women with big tits and big asses, the community wants more stuff like Furby and pro-lgbtq and more diversity.
Pioneer elfball sort of thing. This is a +2+2 lord.
firebending clues is surprisingly effective in limited
>>97012238What rules change?
>>97014002I am the community and I want big booty bitches on at least 40% of the cards
>>97014028I don't understand why there's a maximum there, if they were worried about changelings, wouldn't the fact that it excludes human creatures already fix that problem?
Please tell me she's in
>>97014128I can tell you I'm inside her, if you catch my drift.
>>97014119Edge cases like Werewolf Pack Leader getting Changeling
>>97014119Wotc knows of the Embiggen combo. Neo Lorwyn might have something that breaks it.
>>97014195>Neo Lorwyn might have something that breaks it.Implying they think that far ahead
>>97014059There was discussion of loosening the build requirements for cards with split costs, like uhh manamorphose has a g/r split cost, so you would be able to put it into any deck with a green or red commander, not just ones with both green and red.>>97012238>fake formatI dunno why you it a fake format. There has been a cedh event with a nice prize within 50 miles of my location pretty much every Saturday for the past year. Meanwhile we can't even get 8 people to show up for our standard rcqs to fire.
>>97014207Lorwyn is mechanically done already.
>>97014195god I want embiggen for modern just make infect slightly less dogshit please wotc
>>97014310Wizards view Infect as a mistake and will never enable it again
>>97014343basically every modern deck is the result of some kind of mistake, i get infect not going to standard but its fine in eternal formats
>>97014343A warm thank you to commander players for that
>>97013348Here's my original brew for commander.https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/flying-monk-enlightenment/I need to cut 24 cards, but I'm not sure what to cut. The idea is:Plan A: Approach of the Second Sun + Scrying with Siani (or the various draw effects)Plan B: Fly people to deathI really like the flying hate-creatures, so I may have gone overboard on them. I also have a lot of flying monks and Ojutai, because this started off as a flying monk theme deck. Rune-tail is a pet card of mine, but I think it vibes well with the attacking-for-scrying idea, and with the vigilance enablers helps keep me from getting beat down too hard.I always suck massive ass on gauging how many mana rocks I need, and how much removal/interaction I'm packing. I tried to add a lot of bounce, as that boosts ishai.Doesn't have to be the greatest deck in the world, but I'm trying not to make a big pile of shit. Any feedback (even adding additional cards) is appreciated.
>>97014349It bypasses 40 life in Commander
>>97013400They misspelled Kokoto...
>>97011253Massacre Girl is my waifu
Just got into Magic cause I needed a time passer and so I downloaded Arena. There's far more tie in stuff than I thought. Is every new pack just a tie in now?
>>97014365that isn't really relevant to printing already existing infect card into modern.Tainted strike is as bad as it gets for making commander players cry anyway
>>97014059Giving exceptions to commander deck building rules in order to sell more hybrid (new Lorwyn set) cards.Imagin they said you can play 5-off any Spider-man cards in Standard instead of 4
>>97014528Unironically yes
>>97014588The way color identity interacts with hybrid is retarded. Hybrid has always been an OR. The entire point was that a R/W card could be played in a mono red deck. Some hybrid cards violated the color pie but it is what it is, fucking commander troons should just deal with that.
>>97014059The one that hopefully lets me play both asceticism AND privileged position in my mono green commander deck.
>>97014574You're right, sorry I was more referring to them printing new support into eternal formats
>>97014602Colour identity was always a sum of all possible things. If Noble Hierarch isn't mono green, why the fuck would Overbeing of Myth be?
>>97014166>>97014195>wotc noticing a very edge case that would create a very easily disruptable 3 cards combo >miss obvious shit like Vivi+ Proft, original companion rule, Oko using his +1 on your opponent permanent etc...I don't fucking know anymore. How can you think of that but not of all the broken things they had to ban in the last couple of years? Until Lorwyn release an there is a card that would break this one if it wasn't for the non-human clause I will just assume they added the clause for flavor reason since the guy is a zookeeper and having human in a zoo could have some unfortunate implication.
>>97013400I just gave these Jews $350 for the avatar shit, and now they want another $560 + another $480 for the surge foils?
>>97014670It's not the non-human clause that's a safety measure it's the maximum of 10 clause
Anyone here plays pauper? I think i managed to make slivers playable:4 Plated Sliver4 Sidewinder Sliver4 Muscle Sliver4 Sinew Sliver4 Predatory Sliver3 Benevolent Bodyguard4 Generous Ent3 Masked Vandal4 Eagles of the North2 Blessed Hippogriff // Tyr's Blessing6 Snow-Covered Forest4 Arctic Treeline6 Plains4 Winding Way4 Lead the Stampede2 Masked Vandal2 Standard Bearer2 Spinneret Sliver2 Obsidian Acolyte2 Crimson Acolyte2 Lone Missionary3 Scattershot Archer
>>97014774>Lone MissionaryMy most frequent sexual position
>>97014774Too many masked vandalsDo you find the landcycling gimmick useful? It seems super slow to me
>>97014685Now that I think more about it, I think the max of 10 is not even because of power level reason, it's just because if you manage to have a situation where it matters (ie a changeling that isn't a human) you would need to check the comprehensive rules and count the number of type to know the number of the bonus since it's written like that, so they just slapped an abitrary numbers because nobody would have time for that.
>>97014819at least for my local meta there is a lot of bridgesand the landcycling is great, it functions as a tapland when there is nothing to do during the turn, and also pulls lands out, untill you have 6. Then they are in a bad but better than land for eagle and solid territory for ent. Also if you cycle 2 of them, you have removed two lands for lead and winding purpose. A bitch to shuffle but it adds up.It will never be the best deck of the format, but it feels much better than the 4c bulids
>>97014846No I mean you have an illegal number of masked vandals. You have 5 in your deck.
>>97014857right. Well, I think one more Bearer instead is best?
>The MH Secret Lair misspells one of the place names in MHGoddamn this feels like a crossover that could've been a good one and they just kinda shat the bed with it. The cards are all not great too.
>>97014952many such cases
>>97014962You'd think the IP-holder would notice these things but I guess they're not THAT easy to notice for these lesser-QA'd things. Presumably QA goes a bit harder on proper set cards.
Also why the fuck is this Gore Magala. Who looks at Gore Magala and goes "ah, yes, tutoring, that's what it does"?
>>97014478the og doesn't give counters but I get it
man WotC is adding a Limited pro tour, which should be great, but they're fucking up my prize structure for farming money off Arena Opens...disaster
>>97014983gore definitely should've been an infect creature
It's impressive how long Mark and Wizards have been gaslighting the players.
Well, it’s official i fucking HATE this avatar shit, looks horrible and out of place with Magic cards today a faggot played a golgari food with merchant and just the look of that ridiculous cartoon alongside a llanowar elf and a cat was enough to convince me this is hideous.
>>97015125https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/mtg-arena/introducing-the-arena-limited-championshipThey've replaced Day 1 Sealed with Draft (which is great, fuck Sealed).But they made it so that you need to go 7-1 instead of 7-2 to qualify for the second draft, while keeping the cost and prize structure the same.Fuck these people. The difference between 7-1 and 7-2 is completely insane. Absolute EV destruction. This is some insidious shit.Even as a top limited player I don't know if I should bother with these.
>>97014983>thing from söyslop franchise combines with thing from other söyslop franchise>thing from old franchise does something that the slopeaters in the new franchise cream themselves over on a daily basisGeez, anon, I wonder why this could have ever happened
>>97012724Most of the things under Outlaw were preexisting types>>97012755Rogue is in Party and is also an Outlaw
>>97011095Literally who?
>>97015260Nicholas Dubin, I would assume.
Monster Hunter UB when?Street Fighter UB when?Resident Evil UB when?We are so close guys!!!
>>97015217They should have just made their own card game it would have been a hit.
>>97015217Yeah at least the Final Fantasy stuff had a similar art style to Magic and some of the Final Fantasy stuff blended well with Magic. The art is just so totally different to Magic, even more than any other tie in cards. It really takes you out.
>>97012576i thought it was supposed to be a dead monster bleeding into a swamp or something like that
>ArenaI know, I know... but WotC did it again and shafted players by gutting Golden Packs. You only ever get 1 card from the newest set now, and if it decides to it will even flood you with pitiful 20 Gem spam even if there are still plenty of Rares you haven't collected from older sets.
>>97014983feels like skittles wouldve made more sense
>>97014602>Hybrid has always been an OR. The entire point was that a R/W card could be played in a mono red deck.This. I can only image this is fake outrage on Reddit organized by 1% of the player base. Singleton has always been a shit format anyway.
>>97015217UB cards are Magic cards today.
>>97014626>Noble hierarch - GLooks pretty mono-green to me.
>>97014602>>97015560magic is best as singleton or draft. the 4x rule and 60 card decks have always been cancer. (one of) the (many) problem(s) with edh is being built around a special non-singleton card you can repeat infinitely.as for hybrid edh's take on it has always been objectively incorrect and based on sheldon's autism. commander is the game that eradicated the color pie so I don't think color pie purity is the reason they hate the hybrid change.
Universes Beyond is wack. I think I would rather play Master Duel. When I load up Arena and see Avatar on the splash-screen, it just makes me not want to play anymore.
>>97014359You should add arcane signet, azorious signet and talisman of progress for starters.
>>97014310Nah, fuck that. Poison is shit design and should remain shit.
>>97015217I'm not going to defend UB itself, but cartoony art in Magic is fine. Magic was at its most sovlfvl when it had a variety of styles that were somehow made cohesive through the sheer visual strength of framing that the old borders provided. The loss of the old borders and the proliferation of shitty digital art (which I would lump a lot of TLA cards in with) is what I hate.
>>97014028>>97014119>>97014166>>97014195Card design feels so railroaded now. Creatures are powercrept, sure, but every power crept ability has some stupid built in limitation to make sure you're only doing it the wotc approved way. I liked drawbacks when they felt flavorful and when abilities were short, sweet, and breakable.
>>97015728My biggest complaint is creatures are set up and payoff all in one card now
>>97015773That's another part of the same problem. Creatures do one, very powerful, and railroaded thing. Flexibility is the soul of deck brewing and all these restrictions have basically made it feel like yugioh with training wheels. Abilities should be elegant, and useful for many things. If they can't print an ability without restrictions then it should just not there.
>>97015634>the 4x rule and 60 card decks have always been cancer.>30 years of cancer>The biggest and best TCG ever made, spawned hundreds of knock-offs>Even Pokemon follows these rulesAnon...
>>97014528>Just got into Magic cause I needed a time passer and so I downloaded Arena.Same. I've been having fun so far.Some cards in Magic seen completely btoken though. There was this one match when some fag used a card to literally take control of every creature in both graveyards and ended up with 12 creatures. There was this other fag eho used one spell to wipe out 5 creatures from my side.
how's standard with the new cards?
>>97014774Plenty of people have managed to make slivers playable and your list isn't it. Winding way and lead the stampede are great ways to refill your hand. Virulent sliver is necessary for busted aggro situations that are resilient to whether the storm and gemhide sliver is a must for the mana.
>>97015402>even more than any other tie in cardspaper players have been playing against superior spider-man for the last two months lole
>>97016123a mess! go play it now before everyone netdecks in like two days.
>>97011178Alright I worked some things around. Does this seem okay?
Why can't WoTC print more mono colour support
>>97016447Because mono colored commanders are not popular.
>>97016447Commander
>>97015663motherfucker, your pic made master duel basically unplayable for the last 3 months.they still haven't fucking added best of 3, when mtg arena as shit as the ui is, still had it day 1.
>>97016447They print a lot of it. There's generally some good monocolor support for at least one color in standard. Right now it's red.
I have a feeling this card will break eternal formats, reanimating multiple creatures is just too good and enables too many combos
>>97016447Aside from the commander problem, like anons have already said, it's just harder to balance stuff. Multicolor is one of the main ways to make costs more prohibitive while strengthening the card. Lightning strike is a mediocre card, lightning helix is one of the best. For a RW deck that has a half decent manabase, the costs are interchangeable so why not run helix? But the issue arises when you want to intentionally make mono color more powerful. There's only a handful of ways of doing that: you can count the number of basics like this cycle did, you can count the number of pips like devotion did, or you can make every pip in the cost that color to make it more restrictive. The issue with the first one is that it's extremely narrow, and doesn't play well with stuff like mana dorks for green, it impacts them differently. The issue with the second one is that you can only do devotion in so many ways before it gets boring, plus it means you're only supporting board centric decks so combo and control are shit out of luck. The issue with the third is that it's only impactful for higher cost cards, a card costing RR is way easier than a card costing RRRRR.
>>97015841yugioh is mtg on training wheels, most modern decks all play themselves, deck building is easy as floping down every single deck with the title of *insert archetype name here" then filling the rest of the deck with hand traps with are not mandatory for half of your deck(for all the idiots that say lands are bad to play, well there you have it, enjoy your 20 card cope copypasted deck for yugioh) nowdays you can call a deck a specific archetype just by playing 3 cards of that archetype.
>>97016504maybe there's a pioneer deck you can build around this card, but it's far too slow for any other format
>>97016504If it had haste sure, but it's just giving you ETBs and other abilities. Plus you need a token or two from somewhere to make it actually cheap.
>>97016586You don't need haste if the creatures go infinite together. Tokens do mean some traditionally sack combos are out of the question but there will be something, eventually. >>97016557I don't think the card is too slow, graveyard is too slow. It's too damn hard to fill your graveyard with enough cards these days. GY decks don't have enough enablers. We need to print gamble and faithless looting into standard
>>97016645And even sack combos can work if you keep the creature which is supposed to be sacked in the graveyard. For example: blood artist, carrion feeder and soultrader. Thrre card combo but you only need to exile 2 from GY, just tap your blood or treasure tokens. Problem is you don't have the tools to fill your GY turns 1/2
>>97016680I mean marionette so you can fabricate and sack the token but you get the point
doc aurlock gonna get banned lol
>>97016680>you just need to have a blood artist, apprentice, and soultrader in the graveyard to bring back>also 3 tokens on the board to tap for foggy>also miner in the graveyard to actually combo off>also some way of filling your graveyard with all that stuff in a reasonable time>also pray the opponent has been sitting on their ass doing nothing all this time, and has no graveyard hateYeah I guess, sure
>>97016746whyhe doesn't seem that strong in any format. his standard combo deck is way less consistent than reanimator
>>97016763You only need 3 cards in GY and have to reanimate 2. It's just that filling GY is too slow and there has been zero support for years, if there was you could run freebooter and shambler to generate treasure tokens
Niggas ITT who think 3cmc reanimate three isn't going to break modern are crazy
>>97016898there's no reason to pay 3 mana + tap stuff for an atraxa and friends when you can already goryo's and ephemerate a single one, and if you're trying to reanimate a bunch of creatures at once, you could just play living endif foggy swamp visions sees any play, it's gonna be in pioneer
>>97010907What are the best cards from the last 5 sets?
>>97016540Magic is significantly worse than yugioh in a lot of ways right now. The sheer glut of degenerate bullshit and WotC fuckery makes konami look like a competent company. Arena ranked is a legitimately worse experience than MD ranked, and that is a fucking noteworthy accomplishment.
>>97017327apart from in the gameplay lmao, yugioh is such a fucking mess of power creep
>>97017500Yeah, imagine a 1-drop that if not instantly answered will win the game on its own.
>>97017531yeah now imagine if ragavan was a one card storm combo that ended the game right there on turn 1 if you hadn't opened your force of willAlso no mulliganning to find it!
>>97017500>haha yugioh is such powercreep>meanwhile magic has had to do ban after ban at a historical peak frequencyYou should know not to throw stones in a glass house.
>>97017500Look i despise a lot of things about YuGi as any other sane person in the world but trying to make a case comparing it to Magic, the actual WORST TCG in the market is kinda a stretch anon
>>97017543What if we had a 0-drop that instantly takes away your FoW and it doesn't actually matter if you answer it because it's going to instantly come back anyway?
>>97017561its hilarious because that is still nothing compared to the average yugioh deck dropping 100 cards on turn 1 setting up 10 negates
>>97017566Spoken like someone that has never actually played YGO.
>>97017543Why would you need to mulligan when you have your 0-mana tutors to search for it.
>>97017566You seem to know a lot about the ygo meta anon, in that case tell me when Apo, BLS, and Bar-on-the-floor were banned.
retard heredoes pic related stop my opponent from resolving scapeshift? I'm guessing no because sacrificing the lands isn't part of the cost but I'm not sure
>>97017679and I just now noticed the "nonland" part of the textat least I did mention I was retarded in my first post
>>97016456>Because mono colored commanders are not popular.The kikes literally wasted half the Foundations White rares and mythics on Giada and a bunch of angels
>>97017696Those are support for the multicolor angels
>>97017708Even multicolor angels suck in every format but Commander. KOTC haven’t printed a strong angel since og Resplendant Angel and even THEN during her debut she wasn’t strong enough to see top tier Standard play, but that didn’t stop the noses from printing a dozen other rares and mythics with “resplendent” in their name to try and copy the glory of the original, and so far as an Elspeth “resplendent”. And now the original is back for a few years and still sucks, as evidenced by all the bans since COI dropped last year. White has never been more fucking cooked but Gavin keeps digging up the corpse to throw it back on the bbq pit
>paying for a sideboard guidePeople don't actually do this, r-right?
>>97017737Wait, are you saying a 3+ mana 1/2 - 5/5 with flying and maaaaybe vigilance (if you're lucky) isn't amazing card design? What if they gave them extremely specific and slow utility effects with no clear game plan? Oh! I know! What if wizards made every angel a really ugly minority woman, would that help?
>>97017927Angels clearly have a lifegain gameplan where they gain retard amounts of life and get big around retardedly pushed synergy cards like Bishop of Wangs.Angels are in a weird place where they are meant to simultaneously go big and go tall but there are already lifegain archetypes that do that, so what puts the angels apart is flying. This means WotC has to actually think for 2 seconds about the balance between CMC, stats, and abilities when designing angels instead of just putting full retard effects on 2 drops like with every other tribal.As a result half the angels suck but the tribe is hard carried by the ability to randomly go off and gain 20 life and put 4 flying 6/6s on the field off a CoCo.
Haven't had a chance to play the set yet, but I looked at the spoilers and these are cards that I think have interesting designs. Plenty of cool cards even if I have no clue what they're referencing. Wonder if any of them will be good.Speaking of, is this set another flop? Or is UBshit here to stay?
>>97017983>Speaking of, is this set another flop?I don't see anyone buying it.
playpremodern
>>97017962The core issue is angels are usually massively overcosted and their lifegain support effects are often questionable at best. I mean the only angle most recent lifegain decks even run is exemplar, who is just a flying beatstick.
>>97018004manifest it in my area and sure i got most of a landstill deck lying around that i could put to good use
Hey bros, do you know any cool cards with Flash and Flying?
>>97018023yeah here you go bro
>>97018028FLASH FLYING?!?!?!
They need to add more flood counter support. Only four cards do it and two are objectively shit.
>>97017983Mai, Scornful Striker is ungodly fucked beyond belief.
>>97017737I wish I could find some old episode of Monday Night Magic podcast to get some dirt on this balding zoomer.
>>97018004too expensive to fly down there, sorry
>>97018055Better than Kambal?
>>97018032He flashes in a flyer
>>97018097Kamballs is 3 mana and doesn't have First Strike. He is also Indian.
>Standard in this game was Vivi Ornitier fighting Superior Spider-Man for a month>Now Vivi's gone, I don't know what Standard looks like because fuck this game but it'll be filled with Avatar cards>Next year there will be Avengers, Teenage Turtles and Bilbo BagginsWhat even is Magic anymore?
Y'all motherfucking yts better not buy you no Airbender cards ong
>>97018151a collectible first, game second
This is so OP.
Are you enjoying magic yet
>>97018195They did it, they made an alternate version of an UB card in another UB
Am I retarded or is the bending ability broken?
>>97017566>magic is """"slow"""" so its balanced!What causes this mentality, is there extra lead in the drinking water now or something? I see this retarded take disturbingly often.
>>97018476which one?
>>97018484People need some way to compare two entirely different things. YGO fags think YGO is shittier because now you have the turn 0 popoff when before YGO had the turn 2 popoff. Which is true. But Magic used to have you knowing you lost on turn 4 and now you know you lost on turn 1 so the game is just as shitty as YGO, in the same way, just on a different scale.
>>97018487This plus fire bending is a nightmare
Playing MTG at my LGS was traumatic, a guy kept trying to steal people's cards with the Arena codes on them and then a guy sperged out at me because I spent too long doing a mulligan. I didn't win a single match. That was when Duskmourn came out.
would you ever fow a t1 thoughtseize?
Bloomburrow is furshit?
>>97018540if the rest of my hand guaranteed victory I guess
>>97018381>6 manait better be
>>97018540if my hand was good enough sure
>>97018603>he thinks anyone will ever be paying 6 mana for itLol
>Superior Spiderman absorbing Avatar charactersWe are in hell
>>97018623Current Valgavoth is a better res target in standard thoughbeit
>>97018629Why settle for only one res?
>>97018635If you're hardcasting bringer it doesn't really matter what you're bringing back, you're winning if you get to untap with your board.
>>97018642You don't hardcast bringer you mill him then either res him or use Superior Spiderman to copy him
best draft common
>>9701587660-card magic is contrived, and the formats are always problematic. they need tons of maintenance in the form of bans and rotation. they suck so much hasbro keeps needing to invent new ones, or completely overhaul them with special sets. look how much work they do to create terrible results.meanwhile casual/kitchen table magic has always had more players and popularity. commander mogged magic so hard it became magic, even though commander is wretched. they pushed 4x constructed for most of the game's lifespan and it plateaued because it's not as fun as playing with friends and being your own game designer. the 4x rule was created to sell more booster packs, and because it makes the game more consistent and simpler for viewers (nogames) to follow. I don't see how you can look at the trajectory of the game and think of these formats as some kind of success.
>standard is now either draw billion cards as blue or badger pile
>>97016504>1BB>additional costNo. The art is acceptable at least.
>>97018756seems diverse to us
>>97018015It might already be in your area. Anywhere that has a Legacy presence also has a Premodern presence. Post city if you're brave
really enjoying drafting Firebending. if people don't get wise to this then the format is gonna be dominated by Red pickers
>>97010907New to MTG and wanted to get a Kefka deck because he's my favourite character. How did I do?https://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/kefka-izzet-1/
>>97018788>New to MTG welcome!someone might reply to your question here, but also: >>97014204
>>97018804It's a standard deck retard
My friends convinced me to put in the buster sword to my FF set cube. Hope you’re happy /mtg/
>>97018821it's a fun card
>>97011066Capenna angels have been through some shit.
>>97017551YGO just banned more than 15 cards in their flagship format. It is absolutely more broken than Magic. If you want to play with pedobait cards just say so.
>>97018821such a fucking stupid commander card
>>97011066They are.
How do you beat aggro gruul
>>97018788It seems fun for a very casual deck. Thunderhead Gunner is total trash though. It's the same mana value as Kefka, and look at how much less you get for it.My advice? Go cheaper - grab some Shoreline Looters for card advantage, Hobgoblin for a discard payoff, or Dreadwing Scavenger for flying deathtoucher
>>97018867>the plot of New Capenna is literally mob families fighting for her juices
I pronounce you husband and wife. You may copy the spell.
>>97018905Gross. He's a bird. And a zombie. And this is racemixing. And he's 20x her size.
>cycle that will never be completed
>>97018860I hate that UB cards can be used outside of their sets. Like you have a fucking construction crew from spiderman with a buster sword riding Appa or some shit. Absolutely retarded theme wise. Just complete slop. And we all know it will be 90% UB sets from now on.
>>97018867This card would be so much better if she was white.
>>97018884Thanks! I added Shoreline Looters and Phantom Interference, but will put the Dreadwing Scavenger in the sideboard. Wouldn't it be bad to add too many blacks because of the splash?
>>97018855idk why you keep bringing up that 15 number when the real amount is 7 (same amount of bans as Standard had a while ago, except Yugioh has a single non rotating format)also obsessing over amount of bans is an extremely dumb metric that people latch onto for some reason. Would you rather if they don't ban anything and keep formats total crap because of some arbitrary "many bans = bad" mentality? That's the kind of stuff that lead to standard being so fucking bad for so fucking long.
>>97019033More bans is bad. That's why legacy is bad and vintage is flourishing.
I remember when I was a kid another guy down the road would always show me the rule 34 of Katara wanterbending her pee
>>97019033Magic players have been begging for bans for years. WotC doesn't do it because Magic cards are a shitcoin for them and their trans lovers.
>>97019047Let's be honest, if you could waterbend, the first thing you'd do is waterbend your pee.
>>97019053sorry but that's wrong, I'd waterbend my cummies
>>97019050>WotC doesn't do it because Magic cards are a shitcoin for them and their trans lovers.Do people really get surprised when their OP cards get banned? Like yeah bro, OBVIOUSLY your Cori Steel and Vivi were gonna get axed, you're the one who thinks it's worth winning a few locals at the risk of them losing value
>>97019054>cummies
>>97019062No dude, everyone knows that shit is getting banned. There are so many cards that would have been worth 2 or 3 times the price but it stays lower because everyone knows that shit is getting banninated. The only question is how long it's going to take, and WotC holds off on the bans until they and their buddies can make enough money playing the secondary market.People who actually play the game want lots of bans, immediately, but we all have to just wait with anuses clenched wondering when it's going to happen. People knew Vivi would get the hammer after like 1 week but they dragged it out for months.
>>97019041Being an avid player of both, I think YGO is better balanced than MTG.WotC just flat out fucks up and never gets anything right, not even once. At least when Konami bans shit, they take a scythe to the game and fucking obliterate all the worst garbage all at the same time.
>post about Kaito being 30.4 percent of the Standard meta>shills leap out the woodwork to shout that "The format is adjusting!" and "It's just players who already had the deck! It'll go down once the people who had their deck banned build new decks!"So what's that happening, huh? Because it's up to 32% now. When's the format going to adjust, huh?What if they just build UB midrange tho????
>>97019115Floodpits Drowner is such an unbelievably bullshit card and no one even talks about it.
>>97019117I think Enduring Curiosity is the card that turns the deck from being just broken to completely fucking untenable, but yes Drowner is a big piece of that puzzle.
Are budget decks a meme? I'm new and don't want to splurge too much on a standard deck, but I also don't want to make a shit deck. What's a reasonable price tag for a deck that wins 50% of its games?
I still remember when monored aggro was over 50% of the Standard meta during Kaladesh and WotC was coping by listing decks as "BR Vehicles" when it was literally monored aggro with 1 Aethersphere Harvester in the SB and running 4 Dragonskull Summits to play Unlicensed Disintegration.
>>97019050Can trannies even afford to be scalpers
>>97019123lollmao even
insane card desu
>>97019149>less than 6 lines of textunplayable garbage
>>97019123Put together some Mountains, an assortment of B-tier 1 to 3 cmc red creatures and some burn and you will get random wins just due to the opponent not drawing their stabilizers in time
>>97019148Is win rate a meme? What is the meta?
>>97019149Literally slopwish this was food so I could feed them to cauldron familiar
>Shill retards trying to claim that a Kicker spell without a kicker ability would be fine because it would synergize with Kicker support pieces>Meanwhile, WotC deleting Investigate and just using naked Clue tokens, almost as if they have no real design principles and every decision they make is just arbitrary
>>97019201it's still not kicker
>>97016539I really couldn't stop thinking about the problem after sleeping on it and I've come to the conclusion that current manabases are way too good. Modern has fetches but even pioneer skirts around the problem with mana confluence and starting town, you can reliably cast 3 pip cards even in 3 colour deck. You can't add too many "X basic land" etc effects due to modern having fetches, Urborg being a thing etc etcI think we could unironically solve this problem with companions. If Lurrus was 1BB and had the condition "all your permanents must be colourless or black" it would've been fine. Another would be a new companion land, if all the lands in your deck are are plains, islands etc you can put this land into play tapped after the mulligan. Third way would be to overcharge that mechanic by adding a clause "all permanents you control are X colour" and printing support for it. It wouldn't wreck eternal formats because you'd give up fetching, non-basic lands etc etc. I think that would make mono colour viable. Giving one extra mana turn 2 onward might be strong enough to make streamlined mono decks viable, green would goldfish faster, red would kill faster etc etc
>>97019123What you mean? Decks are <100$ on average on the white European format >But I'm not an ultra alpha male with high IQ and as such I get skill diffed by pavperbvllsAh, in that case you are screwed into playing the oinky piggy formats, sorry bro.
>>97019367>I think we could unironically solve this problem with companions. If Lurrus was 1BB and had the condition "all your permanents must be colourless or black" it would've been fine.Honestly monocolor companions that force monocolor decks would still be unholy fucking abominations that never should see the light of day but would have been far better than making them FUCKING HYBRID MANA HOLY FUCK
>>97019117Instant speed removal that doubles as an undercosted creature with a good keyword? Sure why not
>>97019375>Instant speed removal that doubles as an undercosted creature with a good keyword? Sure why notIncredibly, I don't think>1U>Instant>Tap target creature and put a stun counter on it. This spell deals 2 damage to target opponent.>1U, Exile this card from your graveyard: Shuffle target creature with a stun counter on oninto its owner's library.Would EVER Have seen the light of day as a spell. The fact that WotC somehow thought it was acceptable with a fucking body is beyond words.
>>97019367Shreks swamp Homeland - forestHomeland - your deck may only have 5 non-basic lands. (If this card is your homeland you begin the game with it in your hand)If Shreks swamp is in your opening hand, you may put it on the battlefield tapped. All colorless permanents are green. Rate
>>97019391>Homeland mentionedBASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED BASED
>>97018055This reads a lot like Harsh Mentor glazing (which just turned out to be "ok"). She's a 2/2 for 2.
>>97019386>Incredibly, I don't think>>1U>>Instant>>Tap target creature and put a stun counter on it. This spell deals 2 damage to target opponent.>>1U, Exile this card from your graveyard: Shuffle target creature with a stun counter on oninto its owner's library.>Would EVER Have seen the light of day as a spell. The fact that WotC somehow thought it was acceptable with a fucking body is beyond words.WotC has consistently shown, and said, that they think the game should be entirely based around creatures. If they could just get rid of every instant and sorcery and staple the effects to a pushed body with "only on your turn as a sorcery and you put a finality counter on it" they absolutely would.MaRo even stated, very clearly, that he thinks the game should have minimal amounts of instant speed interaction and making plays on your opponents turn ( unless those plays involve a creature lmao). They genuinely hate what this game used to be about and they won't stop until it resembles hearthstone more than oldschool magic. And because the new players they're trying to bring in are all casual commander players who think magic should be about building up a big boardstate and then beating face, the majority of the current playerbase is in favor. I've genuinely seen reddittors say, in real life too, that someone being able to make a parity-swinging play without having a developed boardstate is feelsbad gameplay. Look at how much WotC hate ls combo. Combo doesn't have to be broken, or even good, but they just don't like it. They make sure no card can create loops even if it would cost a ton of mana and setup. They don't care if a deck built around combo can be forced to invest lots of resources into an easy to remove finish, they just hate combo in principle. It's making me realize this game just isn't for me anymore. The design philosophy has changed and the playerbase with it.
>>97019426Harsh Mentor was about activated abilities and it was just a 2/2.This has First Strike and punishes all noncreature spells.
I bought a play booster of Avatar on a whim yesterday and the holo Toph has a big fucking line across the text box. How do they get worse and worse with this shit? It's the only card in the pack with that problem, so I can only assume it's a holo thing.
>>97019426>She's a 2/2 for 2.First strike is the best keyword that isn't blanket Hexproof or Double Strike.And it's Kambal, not Mentor. Kambal is insane, at 2cmc even worse.
>>97019439>someone being able to make a parity-swinging play without having a developed boardstate is feelsbad gameplay.No that's just bad gameplay. Decisions should, in fact, matter. Look no further than the abomination that is Izzet Phoenix for an idea of just how shit the game can be when interaction does nothing.I think our point there is mixing things up. Having to build board states before the swings happen is good format maintenance. The problem is that building said board state should not come alongside the swings. You should have to invest in one or the other. The most simple tension of deckbuilding comes from that dichotomy: Spells or bodies. When the bodies are spells, you kill the game.
>>97019201>gift a pig slop
>>97019550>gift a pig slopNo reminder text.You figure it out.
Gift brought up?Time to remind everyone that Gift not codifying what the gifted thing is in the text of the card is one of the most horrific design abominations ever seen in any game!
>>97019478>holo
>>97019391I like it
>>97019367Monogreengoyf1GTrample3/4Greenburst (this enters with a +1/+1 for each mana produced by a Basic Forest that was used to cast it)~ has -1/-1 for each land in your graveyard.
>2>Artifact - Equipment>When this thing enters, create a 1/1 white Human creature token, then attach this thing to it.>Equipped creature gets +1/+1.>Equip 2.Rate my super creative never done before design.WotC hire me.ploz.
>>97019478The card quality/QC of this set has been terrible.In the prerelease I went to one of the cards I pulled had a huge gash out of it. The color of the cards in this set is all over the place too.My guess is that they rushed this product out the door in the lorwyn push back and the QC suffered for it.
>draft arena>get dogshit cards>go 0-3I hate this, not being able to play against your own pod is cancer
>>97019537>Having to build board states before the swings happen is good format maintenanceOnly if you like midrange, which is a bastard archetype that was born out of the mistakes of R&DNeither control nor combo develop large board states before they have secured a win. Half the battle is anticipating ypur opponents deck strategy and preparing for that. Only aggro should be developing their boardstate significantly, and in a healthy format that should only succeed 50% of the time. Sorcery speed beaters and instant speed interaction is the heart and soul of the game. Combo permanents should be good at neither. Everything else should not exist.
>>97013400MH is also having a crossover with DOTA 2 right now. Maybe Capcom is just cranking that marketing machine since people shat all over MH Wilds.
>>97018465UBCEPTION!
>>97019605make it X1G and uncountarable (or give it undying) and maybe we can have a conversation
My memnarch deck was so shit, it cost me $200 at least and I never won a game
>>97019629>Only if you like midrange,Uh, no? Where the fuck did you get that idea?>Neither control nor combo develop large board states before they have secured a win.Control develops the large board after, not any difference in the formula. And combo is fine, having variety is fine. You just want the core of your gameplay to be the ideal.
>>97011025Shrimp doesn't fry rice
>>97018195>Pippin, Guard of the Citadel>Sokka, Master StrategistNever min my wildest dreams could I have anticipated a UB version of another UB card.When I asked people what WotC could do to fuck up even more, nobody ever came up with something as absolutely fucking stupid as that.Bravo, WotC. You've done it again. I hope you get sued to hell and back for not clearing the Sokka card with Tolkein's estate.
>>97019612I think they're just cheaping out on the printing in general. I think it's pure jewishness rather than any reactionary thing.
>>97019566I only discovered MTG in like 2015, so they are forever holos to me.
What should happen for a format without UB to become official?
>>97018195Why are people replying to this like these are real
>>97019724holo homo
>>97019735Hasbro selling Wotc or just letting it go.
>>970197351. someone has to actually make it2. then someone has to find the people who want to play it3. then someone has to maintain it4. then someone has to organize events and prizing for it5. then someone has to build a community and foster a competitive environment big enough for wotc to notice it6. then someone has to negotiate with wotc about making it officialso far I haven't seen anyone make it past step 2
>>97019735They already have a format without UB, it's called pre-modern, you can just fuck off and play your circle jerk format with the other 8 pre-modern players in portugal.
>>97019724We can tell you're a PTCG tourist and not a [medium] oldfag. You're trying too hard.Nothing wrong with it but don't double down and lie.People don't call them "holos", it's "foil".
>>97019794I stopped playing pokemon after fossil came out, we called them foils on that side too.
What were they thinking?
>>97019367Urborg and Yavimaya actually don't work with "X basic land" style effects, since affected lands don't gain the basic supertype. This is also why cabal stronghold is the 'fixed' version of cabal coffers.
>>97019832Izzet synergizes well with that, especially if you need to mill for a good card
>>97019832>"Fuck! We accidentally printed it as a sorcery instead of an instant! And we don't want to do another print run. Well, might as well ship it anyway."
>>97019849Do you play just to whine about WotC?
>>97019790but pre modern is so heckin valid and based actually?? You just gotta play burn for it to cost as much as a standard deck
>>97019861Yeah.
>>97019809Then why the fuck are you using the term holo at all? Even back in 2015 people were using the term foil, except identified PTCG tourists prefering "holo".I hate to use r*ddit as any sort of proof but it's the literal same topic and timestamped.https://www.reddit.com/r/magicTCG/comments/1yle2m/what_is_the_difference_between_a_holo_and_a_foil/
If you aren’t running 4x Sol Ring in Standard you’re literally handicapping yourself.Every pro list uses it for ramp.WotC only “banned” it online because Arena can’t handle the animation.Also stop saying fetchlands don’t work in mono-red.Thinning your deck is ALWAYS good, that’s why I run 12 of them.
>>97019832>That one card that's always the worst card in any deck it shows up in and yet it's never quite cuttable.The greatest to ever do it, I've never seen another crowd fraud their into into so many decks over and over again. I kneel.
>>97019861I do not need to play to whine.
>>97019201Only one card cares about investigating the others specify clue tokens.
>>97019997>Only one card cares about investigatingNot zero.Why make a post attempting to prove a point when the thing you are posting proves that point wrong?
>>97020046>thinking?
>>97020046>+1: You get an emblem...
Remember when Jace TMS was insanely powerful?
Remember Lutri?
>>97019367Retard. Pioneer's biggest problem is that 3 color decks aren't viable because mutavault and the other utility lands are busted. How fucking dumb do you have to be to think mono color decks aren't viable in Pioneer?
>>97019050Thank investors and coomander players for that. Banning fucking Black Lotus from their format caused them to have a huge meltie.
>>97019891I was just jumping into the conversation bro. I always called them foils. I dunno the people calling them holos are problably retarded and lgbtq.
>>97020084>posts unplayable card
>>97020084Why is the wandering emperor a girl, shouldn't it be wandering empress? Fucking tranny game design.
>>97020266>Why is the wandering emperor a girl, shouldn't it be wandering empress?Yes, it should. They are just idiots.
>>97020129>Pioneer's biggest problem is that 3 color decks aren't viable because mutavault and the other utility lands are bustedNo, they just don't have fetches to support a 3 color manabase. So you might as well settle for 2 colors with utility lands instead.
>>97019794>you're a PTCG touristI'm the person who originally complained about the Toph I pulled. I don't play Pokémon. I never have. I collected the cards when I was a kid, so the last time I bought Pokémon cards would've been like 2003-ish. I didn't play any TCG (other that schoolyard Yu-Gi-Oh) until Magic in 2015. I know they're called foils in Magic. I'm going to keep calling them holographics because that's what we called shiny cards when I was growing up. Simple as.
>>97020266>trannies out of nowhereObsessed. If you actually knew anything you'd know the emperors of Kamigawa keep their identities hidden and generally when it comes to gendered terms generally (in the English speaking world) the male terms are the default when talking about anonymous individual or group. Second, there are several women in history who ruled under male titles for various political or cultural reasons.
Why was the Wanderer picked to be the Kamigawan emperor anyway? She just fucked off for years and no one seemed to care besides Kaito.
>>97020266Because in Japan the ruler's title is Emperor a gender-neutral term with empress referring specifically to the emperor's consort. The same is true with King with the west usually censoring King on women either as Queen or Monarch since in the west it would be misogynistic that queens can't rule.
>>97019923Counterpoint: Stock Up>3 mana>Sorcery>Still run constantly because of fucking Bowmasters making you instantly lose if you try to play a draw spell into it
>>97020457That's a good one too, but I feel like lately Consult the Star Charts has taken some of Stock Up's turf.
Accumulate Wisdom is getting banned in at least 1 format
>>97020512Mole Badger Cub is also getting banned in Standard at the very least
Why has this vapid broad been constantly shoved down my throat for the past month
>>97020098My experience with Sultai Lutri in Pio is you get your disenchant Thoughtseized on turns 1 and 2 and you lose to Annex + Mutavault + Castle Locthwain over and over because you can't run Fields.
I want a playset of this for pauper
So now that all of the mtg sets for 2025 are finished, let's reflect on this year in mtg.Best Non-special treatment art? Worst Non-special treatment art?Best special treatment art?Worst special treament art?
>>97020541>literal who from fucking Xwhy are you shoving her down my through right now?
>>97020541he's right, I would have underestimated her skills too
>>97020558Worst special shit is anything using that Aetherdrift yellow shit.
>>97020541You're the one shoving her in here, I've never heard of her before.
New thread>>97020588>>97020588>>97020588
>>97020563>>97020587As I have suffered so shall you
>>97020512Casting Ancestral Recalls with Gran-Gran feel so great man, I love this card.
>>97020558Overall I had a positive view of mtg before looking through scryfall year=2025. Holy shit did that change my perception. I had a very hard time finding any standard printing of new art that was even ok. I have to admit I gave up pretty hard about half way through so maybe I missed something. Also I was shocked at how much of the new art either is atrocious or is dedicated to UB sets, the art for which usually is ok but the ceiling is also lower because you are dealing with established characters. your template sucks cock btw
