>>97014004
>What else do you want?
A big titted goth GF, but without the schizophrenic episodes where you gotta sleep with one eye open in case she attempts to slit your throat again because the voices in her head said you cheated on her.

>>97014004

For some reason they look a lot better from this angle. That big gap behind the head really is the one cosmetic issue here as far as I'm concerned, other than the strange tattered hood on middle guy that can probably be fixed with ten seconds of hobby knife work.

>>97014004
>TQ
Decent employment.

>>97014004
>What else do you want?
Well I'm not getting it but a small-tit, skinny (visible ribs), sub 5'6", White (or lightskin), autistic gf who loves me for who I am.
Or more space marines.

>>97014034
>I want an angel with its halo shattered and its wings clipped
Pathetic

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>>97013968
https://gofile.io/d/thZzPN

Are the Visions of Heresy books worth buying?

>>97014382
Probably the best heresy books alongside the black books. If you like artwork that is.

>>97014004
Desu the more I look at them the more I like them. GW doing the new "teepee buy two boxes to get all of the equipment" is gay though, I'd rather they just do a 4 man box with all the pyiobs so I don't have to wait a year+ like I did the deredeo

>>97014004
Plastic Storm Eagle/Fire Raptor dual kit. And an FAQ on if Stable Flyer is what Strike mission mentions circumvents snap shots, becuase there are no other rules that counter snap shots that strike mission could be referencing.

>>97014430
>bought a fire raptor for my friend because he said he wanted a centerpiece unit for his BR army
>never painted it
>5 years it has lain fallow

>>97014430
That situation seems purpose built for the fire raptor to select strike and fire it's side pods at full BS because it's shooting all guns and stable.

>>97014004
>What else do you want?
Someone to love me.

>>97014428
>Desu the more I look at them the more I like them
I think they look good for being what they are. Theyre big and bulky (fitting their stats) and the bulk also helps them look more inhuman.

They look like tech priests stretched out to fit more metal, like someone put human skin over a refrigerator

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Lighten up a bit, guys, good god.

Is there still a convenient place to get the older books?

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>>97014004
>TQ
To see the Secutors kit. Ideally with different torsos for extra variety, but given marines are working with 5 poses in the marine game that's unrealistic.

>>97014545
my hardrive

>TQ
enough disposable money that I don't have to decide between "essential for gameplay reasons but boring" and "interesting hobby projects but not useful for gameplay purposes", which is my current stumbling block

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>>97014004
>What else do you want?
More Centurions.

>>97014576
Why not both, find units that offer both interesting modeling opportunities and are useful for gameplay (like seekers)

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Why are there no Melta pistols?
I like Melta pistols.

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>>97014700
SAs got them instead.

>>97014700
Because the blood angels are whores.

>>97014656
I just finished a few seekers, actually. Mostly my problem is I need actual anti-AV14, and I don't much like painting vehicles, so my options for "interesting" are limited. For now working on a Deredeo which is interesting enough, but it's from the autocannon/plasma box so it's not much solution either.

>>97014337
Damn thanks anon
Anon I won't lie I often called you a week and a faggot for the thread images you kept posting.
But here you have shown me a kind ess you didn't have to do.
I apologize. Please post your strange horse human anime things as often as you wish. Thank you again.

>>97014953

>>97014542
All The Emperor had to do was give me a gf, but now the galaxy must burn.
*Creepus by Radiocranium starts playing*

>>97014985
Which Primarch(s) would listen to Evanescence?

>>97014888
You fool, the AA missiles are now just hunter killer missiles, the lascannon box is all AT now.

>>97014576
Just make every unit an interesting hobby choice. Give all your tanks a spiffy commander and a pintle weapon, add details, make your sergeants pop, cut and reposition guys to get out of the five pose limit, use all your spare bits.

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Post Proturbo

>>97014217
Fuck off satan

>>97015038
Perturabo? More like...Perturbed Axolotol.

>>97015009
I bought this Deredeo when it was the only plastic one, I'm just getting around to it late. Plus I like the autocannons a lot more visually.
Good to know though.

>>97014004
>TQ

Plastic vorax, love those bug-eyed creeps. Optimistic they'll be sold in glorious hard plastic in 12 months.

>>97014700
Because the Blood Angels are hoarding all of them.

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>>97014795
we don't even get paid ! we can't be that
>>97015587
vulkan was very generous to give us his 1rst ed wargear
my salamanders wannabe moritat sarge is postponed indefinitely ;_;

I just realized I can model a combi bolter as 2 separate bolters. This opens new opprotunities.

>>97014888
Theres just not a whole lot of anti AV14 in the game at all ATM, so thats true.

Although ignoring it also kinda works. The points an Av14 box spends on durability dont matter if you dont present a good target, and outside of one specific kratos config theyre not much good for killing infantry.

>>97014888
One of the best options to get rid of AV 14 is breachers or veteran breachers with lascutters in a rhino. And breachers are very cool.

>>97015895
Thats literally what a combi bolter is.

>>97015956
Yes but now power armor dudes can take it so you can have a sarge duel wielding

>>97015984
Ah. You mean literally two separate bolters, rather than "two bolters stapled together"

Yea, I guess that works. Its what the bikes have essentially.

So from what I've been reading the forge world staff threw a fit because a 40k tech priest had volkite

do Iron Hands have any interesting characters to make up for their primarch being dead for most of the setting

>>97016037
Meduson is pretty cool. Moonman was an IH too iirc.

>>97016037
plenty actually
all of them are better than ferrus manus
;_;

my dream istvaan V massacre
>ferrus manus; vulkan and corvus corax get the message from dorn
>ferrus coordinate a massive assault from all 3 loyalists to fuck up the 4 defective legions
>get in the system early; istvaan V can't be blown up from orbit due to "reason" (i'm sure BL can elaborate on that)
>ferrus still ground assault horus's ramshackle fortress and is set to win
>4 legions appear out of nowhere; they were supposed to be elsewhere and etc ensue.
>ferrus sees the betreyal above his eyes and then rush to fulgrim; who in his eyes is the only one able to beat him in strategy and dies in a duel; the end

how is this not better than the canon slop ? you can go ahead and ruin my day about how it is that bad

Is there any fluff reason why Night Lords seem to have several special units in Terminator armor like the Atramentar and the Contekar?
Out of all Legions, one would think Night Lords to be one of those who use terminators the least

>>97016113
What exactly is different there from canon, besides the betraying legions like the AL/IW/WB just magically appearing out of nowhere?

>>97016132
in the newer book they show them in orbit and have them talking to ferrus before the betrayal

>>97016132
the part where ferrus expected support from the soon to be traitors ? that part ? the main part where the retribution fleet included night lord and word bearers ?
you good with spouting bullshit all night ?

>>97016113
You can try my method. I believe whatever cool thing comes into my head and when someone says "nuh uh, that's not the canon!" I just snort, for I had already won long before the fool had ever opened his mouth.

>>97016158
BL doubled down on the bullshit... damn
if i send a Sudoku magazine to BL authors; do they write of how guilliman was so inhumanely smart that he solved a Sudoku with 2 numbers inscribed at some point ?

>>97016159
That's exactly what I said, yeah.

>>97016168
games and fun until you come across the *fun police
who is eager to kill you

>>97016187
can you pinpoint a source ? can you show one ?
i'll post as many as i can

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>>97016181
Whats wrong with it exactly

>>97016159
>>97016206
Did you post that just so you could get mad at replies? Because most of the responses were "What's wrong with that?" and your further response was "you good with spouting bullshit all night ?" and "can you pinpoint a source ? can you show one ? i'll post as many as i can" which doesn't seem to have any correlation with what those posts even said.

>>97016128
>the legion full of sadistic cowards wouldnt use the armor that makes you invincible against most enemies
Anon are you stupid?

>>97016249
it's a big miss on the themes, ferrus is brought up a lot of times as the loyalist's biggest cunt; who's only redeeming feature is that he can win shit better than 18/19 out of them
media literacy is bad regardless; ferrus manus of the iron hands; named after his iron hands; who rules in a craft named iron hands; and wonder what is the leitmotiv

>arguing about BL nonsense AGAIN

>>97016304
They're arguing over the HH 3.0 rulebook and the new Dropsite Massacre journal.

>>97016279
i'm really angry than istvaan 5 doesn't make no fucking sense and ruin the heresy for me.
there; you happy ?
istvaan V still make no sense but still sells corpo shit

>>97016113
So "current story, but worse"?

>four legions just teleport in out of nowhere
>ferrus somehow has his retarded plan work (the plan that relied on "we have the numbers and support coming to bulldoze our way in")

The whole point of "lets just fucking kill them" is that ferrus and co think they have support coming. They can launch this assault have the other legions cover their asses. They just need to serve as the speartip of the assault. In what world does "three legions try and wipe out four legions" sound like a competent plan? (and no, the assault doesent work even before the actual betrayal part, that just finishes off the trapped and surrounded loyalists as they try and retreat)

>>97016159
Yea, thats retarded. Why the fuck would Ferrus have a problem with the WB? The NL have their discipline issues, so with them being apprehensive makes some sense, but both them and the WB can have their faults described as "overly zealous".

>>97016306
Even worse!

>>97016312
>The whole point of "lets just fucking kill them" is that ferrus and co think they have support coming. They can launch this assault have the other legions cover their asses. They just need to serve as the speartip of the assault. In what world does "three legions try and wipe out four legions" sound like a competent plan? (and no, the assault doesent work even before the actual betrayal part, that just finishes off the trapped and surrounded loyalists as they try and retreat)
the part where THE WARMASTER turned traitor; at this point you have to question yourself from not having FUCKING NOTICED and it flows from there

>>97016311
Preferring some other interpretation of it is understandable, but working yourself up into anger over the traitors being...traitorous just seems self-destructive.

>>97016113
Your version is Dorn sending three legions vs 4, those 4 led by two of the most successful primarchs at strategy, one of those legions being the best at fighting outnumbered... What the actual fuck, that just makes all the loyalists complete retards.

>>97016336
> but working yourself up into anger over the traitors being...traitorous just seems self-destructive.
i'm not ? i'm mad at the loyalists being hyped up as competent when they fail hard. I wish the traitor were competent enough to make their betrayal an actual one

>>97016354
You're responding to people who want to know more about what you're saying with argumentative "you good with spouting bullshit all night ?" stuff. Yes, you're angry.

Oh god I'm contemplating scratch building ammo feed

>>97016328
>the part where THE WARMASTER turned traitor
Cool, you cant trust anyone. Call off the assault and retreat to terra then.

"Im paranoid so im going to launch a losing assault" doesent work on any level.

Its either
>I need to crush this rebellion before it can sway anyone else to its cause, I trust the forces on side are sufficiently loyal that we outnumber the foe and can overwhelm them
or
>I cant trust anyone, this could be a trap set by the warmaster. I should retreat and let the traitors reveal their hand before I walk into a trap

>I cant trust anyone, I should commit myself to a total all out assault with maximum speed without having accounted for where the other possible traitors are
Is just pants on head retarded.

>>97016353
Not even that. Its 3v4 into a defensive encampment. And with possible reinforcements for the 4 on the way.

Dorn isnt just stupid, hes outright malicious at this point.

>>97016311
How does it make no fucking sense?
Four legions turned traitor, they sent 6 of them, not realizing that 3 of them were also traitor. Where is the incompetency?

>>97016354
Dorn sent six whole legions, who had a perfect plan that failed because they didnt realize half of the primarchs were traitors, Horus only engages the incoming legions the way he did, preparing at Istavann entirely as part of his plan because he knew the treachery was coming. Without it he would have easily lost.

What part of all that is dumb?

>>97016353
>Your version is Dorn sending three legions vs 4, those 4 led by two of the most successful primarchs at strategy, one of those legions being the best at fighting outnumbered... What the actual fuck, that just makes all the loyalists complete retards.
the idea here isn't to make the loyalin win; the idea is to make ferrus a credible treat to horus; to hype him up as the best primarch in war; and then have ferrus lose miserably as horus managed to have friendS; while ferrus had only one; that betrayed him.

fuck's sake; can i get ferrus portrayed as competent ? is that so much to ask ?

>>97016374
Yes.

>>97016362
Yeah let's just stop trusting everybody after having exactly zero reason to do so for over two hundred years. Just because a triplet of delinquents suddenly turned.

Two. Hundred. Years.

>>97016372
>they sent 6 of them, not realizing that 3 of them were also traitor. Where is the incompetency?
when two of the most loyalist-est of them all turn traitor you kinda have to start questioning everything.
"we will send the child-flayer army against the problem" ain't a good answer

This lore is over ten fucking years old now, can you just get over it? Is this your entire personality? Salty over fantasy soldiers?

>>97016385
the fucking n°2 of the imperium decide to rebel ?

>>97016365
He's sending in the legions best able to establish a beach head, then dropping the Iron Warriors to siege the fuck out of them.

The first three legions land, push the traitors back enough to establish a landing zone for the remaining legions in orbir, a few HOURS later the SIEGE legion immediately lands and begins deploying its artillery and bunker busters they just received from the first legion on their way to meet up. The goal wasn't to have three legions alone try to root out the traitors from the fortress.

You didn't even read the battle with the way your talking.

>>97016399
Let me put it this way.

If your uncle promised to fix your bicycle's tire, but ends up stealing your bike - do you gun down your entire family, out of precaution?
Eastern Europa anons, refrain from answering this question

>>97016397
Some people just don't want to accept that the answer to "is X retarded?" Is yes. This is no not a historical military story, it's science fantasy space Macbeth where both sides are led by human orcs who are in charge because they're the biggest and da best at krumpin

>>97016405
>You didn't even read the battle with the way your talking.
you point me to anywhere ferrus can't blow up the planet.

>>97016374
"The guy who formulated a plan that would have won the battle lost because he got stabbed in the back"

He was portrayed as competent, and then when everything fell apart he lost himself in rage and died for it.

>>97016374

"the idea here isn't to make the loyalin win; the idea is to make ferrus a credible treat to horus; to hype him up as the best primarch in war;"

He's been called that since the earliest books dumbass, there is a reason Horus specifically wanted him dead. Ferrus never was a threat because the entire assault was a trap and he didnt know.

Now I know you just dont read anything. He was put in charge because he WAS competent.

"B-but he should have magically known that 4 legions were going to betray him even though there was absolutely no sign they would whaaaa"

Shut up, how fucking stupid.

>>97016429
"We can totally blow up a planet that we are currently fighting a space war over and the enemy totally wouldnt realize that was out plan and leave if they realized that was an option"

The WHOLE point is to force a land conflict, because if both sides threatened planet destruction, the loyalists would never get a chance to actually fight and kill Horus, and the point was to kill Horus as fast as possible before he could rally others to his side. Just blowing up planets whenever you see traitors doesnt solve the problem, the fleet maneuvers to send in planet busters would be recognized immediately, the ships trying to get into position to pull it off would have been killed by the traitor fleet AND would cause the traitors to simply evac off world. And you cant park your loyalist fleet next to a world about to be blown up, you'll destroy your fleet in the resulting explosion and gravity fluxs caused as well.

And guess what, it wouldnt even work because AGAIN, half the forces on the loyalist side were secretly traitor, so Horus would have been tipped off if that was the plan and would have left Istavann 5 by the time the loyalists arrive, AND if Ferrus put any of the traitors involved to be the planet busters, they would sabotage it.

What a fucking moron.

>>97016405
>The first three legions land, push the traitors back enough to establish a landing zone for the remaining legions in orbir, a few HOURS later the SIEGE legion immediately lands and begins deploying its artillery and bunker busters they just received from the first legion on their way to meet up. The goal wasn't to have three legions alone try to root out the traitors from the fortress.
It was in this rewrite where the shattered legions werent just the first line of assault, establishing a foothold for reinforcements that were meant to come in and pound horus into the dirt.

In the version anon was proposing? They were IT. Dorn doesent send half a dozen legions to crush the rebellion, he sends an outnumbered force. Ferrus doesent launch an attack with the expectation of overwhelming force and total local superiority, he launches it alone.

>>97016420
you gotta make it better; c'mon
smthg like : you trust your uncle; the best man at your wedding; to fix your car : he steals it; and your wife is in for the steal along with 2 who were invited.
now; the people you can contact are
-the weird guy you never invited but shows up anyway
-the guy whom you told not to come but chimes in and begin ranting
-the guy who gets all your shitty thankless tasks
-the batshit insane guy
and you get to pick as many of them as you want to support the trusty; reliable group of guys you're going to send anyway

>>97016497
Yeah, Anon is a complete idiot who wants to write the loyalists as complete idiots who run outnumbered into the enemies guns,

>>97016509
I know, thats my point. That in his version of events Dorn isnt just incompetent, he has to be outright malicious and setting Ferrus, Vulkan and Corax up for miserable failure.

>>97016441
>"B-but he should have magically known that 4 legions were going to betray him even though there was absolutely no sign they would whaaaa"
oho yeah; truly the legion bearing skinned babies would be totally fine; suuuure; no way in hell the warmaster planned for this; he's totally thinking to win with only 4 badly wounded legions

>>97016497
Lets not forget that Horus had already made sure the SW and TS were too busy crippling each other, and the DA were out way too far to help out in any way.

>>97016516
>truly the legion bearing skinned babies would be totally fine
Yes, because thats literally the job the emperor made them for. The Night Lords were functioning exactly as intended with the sole exception of being TOO zealous in the persecution of their duties.
Likewise for the WB, the guys who got reprimanded for spending too much time worshipping the emperor.
The alpha legion were also operating exactly as they were supposed to. As was Pertruabo.

Them being cartoonishly evil doesent make them suspicious because this is the imperium.

>>97016516
"The legion that does fear tactics as very intentional PR move to scare their enemies = traitors in disguise"

Your a fucking moron, Blood Angels were actual cannibals and no legion has destroyed more planets in blind fury then the Dark Angels, neither would be imagined to betray as well.

Hell, even if the Nightlords DID turn traitor, the remaining loyalist legions were still more then enough to win the day.

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>>97016509
gets funnier every time

It's not Macca is it? Say it's not, it would be hilarious if it him spurging out over some well established fluff (that he loves, no less).

>>97016553
wait this seems like the traitors lost way more

>>97016546
>>97016542

Dont forget, the Nightlords were already in trouble, and framed them volunteering for this assault as Konrad coming back to the fold, so the Imperium even viewed them as trying to redeem their place after Kurze's crash out shortly before the heresy.

People also forget, the idea of marines turning traitor, hell, how a marine vs marine war would even function were entirely new things to the Imperium and the Legions. This was all new ground for them.

>>97014004
>TQ
Minimum: Plastic Vorax and Scyllax
Greedy: Plastic Draykavac/Archmagos on Abeyant

>>97016579
The initial first wave doesn't account for legion forces that dropped down with the second wave, nor those in orbit that died immediately when the traitor ships turned their guns on them.

There weren't only 10'000 Iron Hands there, 10'000 were just the initial force for example.

fuck's sake; maybe you can understand how the next power in the empire; somehow; kinda planned something for how his coup would go ? maybe get some assurances in case the the initial plan of sticking everyone in a big room and blow it up; could go bad ? especially when he got 4 divisions when the others would still have 15 intact one even if the initial plan went perfectly well ?

>>97016579
maybe the 3 legions were better than 4 battered ones ? maybe ferrus's plan was that good ?

brits can't into war; that's it

>>97016620
>>97016640
GW writers have always been kind of retarded. You read about these titanic world ending battles and then you get to the numbers and it’s like hundreds of thousands on each side. 40k numbers regularly get mogged by real life wars.

>>97016790
the numbers were not that bad; my gripe is about the bad lead-up to istvaan V and the trash explanation
istvaan III works
calth works
terra works

istvaan V does not

>>97016816
>istvaan V does not
How not?

>>97016834
how many time do i have to spell it out ?
that maybe; kinda; just in case;
you SHOULD redefine your alliances when the big boss's n°2: the LARGE AND IN CHARGE command you should obey in case the big boss ain't here to direct shit; is doing a coup ?
if he's been promoted for BEST STRATEGY EVER; you should kinda plan if you wanna fuck him up; that maybe his BEST STRATEGY EVER award wasn't for nothing ? maybe he got some allies to help him win ??

>>97016878
By that logic why trust any legion? If we follow your reasoning the IF should have been thrown out of Terra as well, maybe executed en masse by the custodus.
Just because you're terminally schizophrenic doesn't make the Istvaan V nonsense.

>>97016816
>>97016878

No, your a complete retard, the worst I've seen on here in a while

>calth works

This is how I know your a retard, you complain about a legit backstab being an explanation for why a well planned assault goes bad being bad writing, but then ignore the fact that Calth has Gulliman stand there like a dumb fool for the first few hours as his legion gets attacked, thinking its just a "misunderstanding"? lmao, get out of here

>>97016878
>you SHOULD redefine your alliances
How? The other four claimed to by loyal.

>>97016878
They knew Horus had been exposed early, thanks to the crew of the Eisenstein, so they assumed it would be a good time to catch him before he could spread his rebellion. They also don't know what caused it.

>>97016899
By that logic why trust any legion?
there is a small; very subtle difference between picking 2 legions censured by the emperor as allies; expecting them you reinforce your ass.
ferrus rushing horus's ass with two very well trusted legions is very in character; he is the hothead who wants horus and fulgrim's head immediatly; consequence be damned.
the problem i have with istvaan V is : how are we ever supposed to take corvus and vulkan seriously ever again in anything ?
can i have vulkan as anything else than the largest dummy ever ?

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So, apothecaries are Medic (4+), which doesn't allow Recovery tests by itself. Recovery tests are allowed by the Medic! reaction. That I get.
However, Nartheciums do let you take a Recovery test in the Morale phase before a unit would be forced to make a Characteristic Test in said phase.
...but Recovery Tests are about allocating damage to a model, not about characteristics. So what do Nartheciums actually do?

>>97016904
the calth narrative works better than istvaan V

>>97016967
too bad they forgot horus was in ; who was kinda the lead figure many of the galaxy's forces ?

>>97016996
Horus was the military leader, so they should have distrusted their entire military and do nothing?

>>97016620
Sure. Do you understand how "im sure the enemy has a plan therefore whatever we do must surely be part of that plan" is not a workable operating principle if time is of the essense?

For all they knew (which wasnt much), Horus assumed that his simply raising the banner of rebellion would fan the flames of uprising elsewhere and more legions would have flocked to his banner. He miscalculated and was currently at a moment of weakness.
Or maybe he simply didnt plan on getting found out that fast, remember that the loyalists only learned about what happened by what seemed like an accident. A small group of marines escaped and warned the imperium.

The idea that multiple legions were already in on it, and that this was fanned not just by mundane disagreement or power play but a unifying ideology of space-satanism was entirely out of left field. No one could have or did have much reason to predict that.

"we should strike while we have the opportunity" makes sense as an approach. They have reason to believe that they are at a temporary advantage over horus, and that even if he does have some plan or contingency for not getting shitstomped it would require time to work. Time they have reason to believe they could deny him.

Would it really be worth it for GW to make Legion specific plastic kits?

>>97016978
on a 4+ you just get -2 to your next check i guess

>>97017036
Probably. Look at all the kits they make for Bloodbowl, Warcry, or Necromunda. Or their small run kits of commemorative characters or whatever. The cost to make a plastic kit is probably not so much to them in reality as in the imagination of the fanbase.

>>97017036
For some legions sure, but they actually are kinda doing that. The new Mk 3 is the kind the Sons of Horus use while the older Mk3 is more what Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists used.

Making slight differences with refreshes can help flavor different kits to different legions without just selling a legion specific plastic.

>>97017036
It would, the HH playerbase is large enough at this point.
Besides, GW already said they would, after all the legion agnostic units get plastic models.

>>97017036
the rhino doors, shoulder pads, helmet options, and dreadnought upgrade should just be one upgrade spure in the first place
maybe even cut the dreadnought for cost

>>97017036
if GW was actually smart we would have loads of plastic legion-specific kits because they'd be shared across game systems instead of having studio infighting for who gets to make the blood angels body guard unit

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Am I the only one not feeling these guys? They look like the AdMech sniper crossed with Ash Waste Nomads.

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>>97017146
They're the OG Delaque for Necromunda 2017.

>>97017146
I like them, but not really as a mainstay unit.
They look like they should be some specialised unit like the Skatros.

>>97017146
They look more like a special unit than infantry.

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hmmm the beltfeed was a good idea on paper but honestly just sucks in practicality

gonna keep him with a combi-melta and thunder hammer I think though

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>>97017146
Allegedly its closer to what FW wanted to do originally, the real life admech devolpment timeline has been my hyperfixation as of late

>>97017231
>Departments within the same company fighting and undermining one another
Management at GW really has to be comically incompetent.

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>>97017231
>They wanted to do feral warriors like in Titanicus

>>97017243
Just wait til you hear about all the companies forcing AI!

>>97017231
>Some random post from almost 10 years ago.

>>97017267
Surely it's not a bubble

>>97017146
>Ash Waste Nomads.
Aren't Skitarii technically sand waste nomads? I hear they walked for months at a time before they retconned then into having transports.
To be honest, not having transports was fucking retarded. They could've been given sand crawlers or whatever dune people would use. Like Toyota technicals.

>>97016978
>So what do Nartheciums actually do?
Those are Recovery tests (Ld / Cool), as opposed to Recovery tests (Wounds)

>>97017307
Mech should have had access to most/all Imperial vehicles, they build the bloody things and there already were multiple examples in stories of tech priests having pimped out Rhinos, land raiders, you name it.

But nooo, GW suits are fucking jews enforcing segregation of the model lines just because they wanna keep track of everything.

>>97017281
Just ignore the fact that every major company has done so has failed to actually improve efficiency or productivity and all the layoffs that people think are happening because AI is replacing jobs is actually because the AI is too expensive for shitty output so they need to make cuts in other areas to hide that they're at a major loss!

>>97017367
I think AI is an okay google. It feels better than Google now, maybe they changed their algorithm.

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Emperor on the throne, just how hard is it to get two Elite terminator slots with their LR transports without taking a High Command / Delegatus!

>>97017460
Legion Champion's special detachment. Or play Dark Angels.

>>97017450
That's only because google has actively been getting worse. Most AI still consistently give wrong answers to questions like asking the digits of Pi

>>97017503
Yeah yeah that's what I meant. Google got worse enough that ai is the better search engine. I distrust abominable intelligence, so I question its results.
But at least it gives me an idea of what a viable answer could look like, you know?

>>97017279
it was from a thread live commentating on the openday or weekender iirc

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>Three thousand five hundred point game of Titanicus tomorrow with possibly another two thousand point game following
I do not have a reaction image capable of containing my exuberance

>>97017848
I'm playing an 3.3k onslaught mission on saturday
Dunno what to pick

>>97017938
Onslaught?

>>97017963
KNOW HIS NAME AND FEAR HIM

>>97017848
ENGINE KILL

>>97017998
SO MUCH KILLING

>>97017146
I like the concept, but I think that they have a bad silhouette. They need a big backpack, or hats or horns or something. Maybe shoulderpads.
I really like the weird way that they hold their guns; reminds me of the old noise marines.

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>>97016579
it's "Istvaan System Campaign" so I think it might include Istvaan III purge as loses for traitors

>>97017146

What’s the tactical advantage of having faun legs?

>have to use another crypto-mk4 sang guard jump pack on a character
Man, I really wish it was easier to use the clunky-ass 40k jumppacks

>>97016617
I can't remember for the Salamanders but that is essentially the whole Raven Guard where only like 5k escaped and made it back to Deliverance

>>97016553
Did the black books every do a breakdown of numbers this from the same event?

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>>97018244
>>97016579
the traitors lose more in the "Isstvan System Campaign" than they have estimated to be present at the Urgall Depression on Stevie V, so yes, this must be total losses

the alternative reading is that even post-purge the SoH are "in excess of 150,000" meaning the master tactician's Legion, from a defensive position, with the greatest betrayal of all time working in his favour, lost more than 1/3 of their forces and didn't even wipe out one of the three loyalist Legions with help from 7 other Legions

5000 RG literally just escape, 2.5k Salamanders just escape, 734 Iron Hands just escape, and that's only of the units deployed to the surface

"master tactician"

>>97018244
Correct

>>97018400
To be fair Horus had a hissy fit talking to Manus skull in the aftermath how incompetent and unstable his brothers were, so he was aware.

>>97018400
Almost had Lorgar die as well.

>>97016904
The problem with Calth is not Guilliman standing there like an idiot. The problem with Calth is that ot was supposed to be a crippling strike to the Ultramarines and in the fluff it is claimed as such but it actually did fuck all to hinder them in the slightest

>>97018400
I think the "I'm excess of 150,000" is meant to represent all traitor legions present at the urgall depression summed up

>>97018486
Well Calth did start the ruinstorm that basically prevented the siege from bejng doomed before it started, even if the actual battle was a botchjob. Having to explain why Lorgar wasn't there because of the BL shadow crusade books and thus having the whole thing retconned to be a purge of the word bearers is a gay ass retcon though.

>>97017243
i mean the really incompetent part is that they did all this to the team and then cut the legs out from under them by never telling them 8th was coming. 8th was such a disaster internally because they hid it from the majority of employees. they kept making the guys working on the prospero box set make the custodes taller but wouldn't explain why (they needed to be taller than primaris) as another example
keep in mind also the scorpians would have gotten a giant hover tank in the book. with the vehicles coming out for primaris in 8th... looks a bit suspicious.

they also were working on skitarii for a while and doing weird shit with them. they wouldn't let the FFG guys working on only war do anything with skitarii but wouldn't explain why, which is why you have the weird lathe worlds regiments. then they wouldn't tell the fluff writers for the mechanicus codex about upcoming model release waves (remember how weird that codex drop was?) so you had them writing fluff justifying why they didnt use any transports and then less than a year later releasing transports. Oops!

>>97018514
God the repercussions of that stupid cult mechanicus/skitarii split just because they wanted to sell you two books was so damaging it's unreal. 3 editions later and 40k admech STILL doesn't function correctly as an army because random ass units get excluded from having the army rule because lol lmao.

The strangest thing from that era, to my mind, remains the cancelling of battlefleet heresy, which was supposed to come out roughly alongside titanicus (you can find references to the box set, Sea of Fire, in the titanicus book Titandeath). Specifically, the reason given that "we would have to move everyone off all other specialist games projects for two full years to launch the game."

that just doesnt make any sense at all. theyve made far, far more model intensive games in the specialist games project since then. BFG was never particularly complex model wise, especially if youre only using chaos/imperial fleets as BFH would have. how on earth did they come to that conclusion?

>>97016288
I just assumed a legion based on stealth and terror tactics would have little use for terminator armor and prefer faster units like white scars and raven guard

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Not the crossover I was expecting

>>97018663
Why does he look like peachy

>>97018593
Teleporting a fully armoured terminator right into your anus is pretty terrifying

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One of them is named Donald
The other 5 are racist caricatures

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>>97017460
>just how hard is it to get two Elite terminator slots
Depends on your faction. Ironically it is impossible for Alpha Legion to do it, unlike others, because their legion's unique detachment is restricted: any Elites must be Headhunters / Seekers.
That means any Logistical Benefit Elite must also be a Seeker or Headhunter
>with their LR transports
The death of dedicated transports and its consequences have been a disaster for the threadheads. Now you need to bring a Centurion as a secretary of transportation to fucking AUTHORIZE your land raiders. Bureaucracy!

>>97014004

Stormlord for LI and plastic Stormhammer for HH.

>>97017146

I think they look sweet. To each their own.

>>97017243

Goge Vandire was meant as a satire of the previous CEO, so...

>>97018400

The traitors are written as unrealistically stupid and weak in the novels. Gotta let French jerk off the loyalists.

>>97013196
>My recommendation is to get 2 additional boxes of thallax so you can make units of 6 with the same weapon and then choose an apex detachment you like

Are Thallax generally useful enough to warrant doing that or would they be a pain to magnetize? I also noticed their apex detachment seemingly adds a sergeant equivalent model, which presumably requires a fourth box for even just reaching the new MSU threshold if using that.

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>>97017231
>10 years ago.
Everything must be cross compatible.
>Today
Nothing can be cross compatible.

>>97017146
They should add Skitarii Protectors to act as the standard Skitarii unit in 30k, with Pylgrims being elites.

>>97017266
Feral warriors stated to be on par with space marines which made sense because there had to be a reason Terra and Big E didn't just straight conquer Mars.

>>97018663
The Horus Heresy is based on Paradise Lost. It's literally the most expected crossover ever.

>>97019226
>there had to be a reason Terra and Big E didn't just straight conquer Mars.
I bet Mars being six months away complicated things, as Terrans didn't have starships: reminder Luna had to be conquered using Apollo rockets

>>97018593
NL terminators have teleportation as a gimmick. But the NL are also not so much the "stealth" legion as the "terror assault" legion. Stealth is definitely a part of it, but its less "stealth because we hid from you" and more "stealth because we hacked your sensors to do nothing but play gore on loop"

They wear ceremonial bat wings and have lightning built into their armor.

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>>97019244
>They wear ceremonial bat wings
>The ceremony be pic related
NLs can do stealth for stealth's sake. The only difference with Raven Guard is they are loud when killing, and actually know how to use their presence to herd the enemy into killzones.
Unlike the Raven Guard, who seem to enjoy using the Imperial Army as a bait lmao

>>97019233
Big E being able to make genetic ubermen but not be able to get them to the rest of the solar system seems like an asspull.

>>97019275
He also needed the Selenar on Luna to make the Astartes instead of just more thunder warriors

>>97019088
Thallax are insanely good. Theyre 2w t5 space marines that can take special weapons and deep strike.

>>97019280
>He also needed the Selenar on Luna to make the Astartes
Marines predate the conquest of Luna, hence how the Luna Wolves earned their name.

>>97019280
>>97019321
The Emperor was able to make thousands of space marines before Luna. But he needed millions of Astartes to conquer the galaxy. That's what he needed the Selenar for.
The Mechanicum saw the writing on the wall and chose to get peace on their terms before an outsider dictated theirs. And they did get a commitment to support the Imperium, but in return they were afforded protection by marines, which they didn't have, Navigators, which they also didn't have, and the massive manpower of the imperium looking out for long lost forgeworlds and such. Good deal all in all.

What is shaking my fellow Alpha Legion Negros??

>>97019261
>NLs can do stealth for stealth's sake.
They CAN, but unlike someone like the ravenguard its not some incredibly strong doctrinal preference for them.

The NL are also very happy to go in loud and stupid, provided theres sufficient chaos.

>>97019289
>>97019088

The more I've seen of 3e the more I've come to really like Thallax. They're incredibly lethal for troops and compare favourably to the usual scoring castellax, since even with a Magos Reductor in the unit you can use the Thallax 10" move to string the unit out onto points, they're BS5 and Fear (1) when buffed and they're less vulnerable to AT guns. A squad of 6 with 4 specials or 9 with 6 specials is my usual, it's nicely symmetrical and provides statuses from the lightning guns as well as expendable guys to eat shots, although you could easily get a couple more specials in there if you want. BS5 photon thrusters will do meaningful damage to basically anything, including AV14 if it's stationary so the Magos sets them to S9, and even without that they'll eat rhinos and tear into any infantry.

The sarge upgrade is available to all Thallax, it's just mandatory in the Reductor Apex. It doesn't add a model, it promotes one to a Ld8 sarge.

>>97019357

With only the pint-sized Terran legions facing off against the myriad of Martian bullshit without the benefit I'm generally in agreement with the Black Books/Liber Mechanicum position that a Terra/Mars hell-war was by no means a sure thing for the Imperium at that point even if they were probably the likely victors by a small margin. A good deal for both sides.

The Selenar on the other hand didn't have Titan Legions or Myrmidons and didn't have any offworld colonies that would be very helpful to peacefully bring into the fold, so bad luck for them.

>>97018567
It's a cop out lie. They pretend that's why. It's typical corpo "we all know it's not true, but if we don't say its a lie out loud it's fine"

>>97019357
>The Mechanicum saw the writing on the wall and chose to get peace on their terms before an outsider dictated theirs.
The reason the treaty of mars is so lenient is that the writing on the wall was a particularly soggy scribble that was hard to read.

The emperor did not have the forces for a convincing assault on Mars, Mars did not want to fight the emperor. So they both signed terms that ensured beneficial cooperation (and fucked the future technological development of the imperium in the ass in the process).

>>97019667
He already played the long con by imprinting into their culture himself as their god

Fellow AT God's, I need titan pics to help me power through my remaining warlords trim this evening.

>>97019070
>the previous CEO

uhh anon it was Tom Kirby from 1991 to 2017, and the previous CEO was Bryan Ansell

I don't really recall when Goge Vandire was first fleshed out but it was 1997 at the latest because that's when the first Sisters of Battle Codex was released

have you tried sitting on the potty and just relaxing?

>>97018567
presumably 2 years is the in-house turnaround for game design from concept to release

for BFH you'd need new ship designs (in the way that HH uses new space marines etc, some of which were being introduced for 40 through FW/IA releases beforehand)

so yeah you've got to pull people from other work to do it, and they may have been surprised by how popular Titanicus was and wanted to keep them on that or on other projects

>>97019956
Gimme a couple hours and you're gonna see some game pics

>>97020263
I played a game this weekend as well (instead of painting all the trim) but since my opponent wasn't fully painted I don't want to share pics

>>97020312
Good job, Anon!

>>97020342
Some funny stuff happened, two of three warhounds in a squad failed machine spirit rolls and break about their shield sharing (they then got lit up), then one warhound getting cored promptly fired into another, killing it, who exploded and killed the remaining hound.

>>97017848
I really like godzilla and wish there were more kaiju in literally everything. Give titan sized ruinstorm daemons for LI please.

>>97020381
Yeah last game I had a warhound melt its own reactor and kill a comrade with its wild fire

>>97020553
>The gang's all here

>>97020553
THATSA LOTTA SCALE 10+

>>97018083
Me as well

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>>97020553
VERSUS

>>97018346
And the only reason that happened with the RG is because the Alpha Legion let them get away.

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So, 3d printing.
Does anyone know of a creator that makes stuff that's the most in line with official FW/GW figures, both in terms of proportions but also aesthetic consistency?

>>97020580
I've got the idea for the next OP shoop.

>>97020730
RALCVSAE3D is pretty good.