2 Astartes 1 Wolf Edition>Previous Crusade: >>96990196>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread question:How likely do you think it is that we can bully James into redoing the Cataphractii like we did for pic related?
>TQNot likely
>>97003502>2 Astartes 1 Wolf Editionof course its the fucking retard who made the new threadI said in the previous one, your one joke isnt even funny because fenrisian wolves are abhumans so its not even weird and it says more about you that you constantly make beastiality jokes about space wolves and their players than it does us retard faggot
Is the Chaos Knight model too chaotic for the (late) Heresy era?
>>97003525Pretty sure they've already reached that point in the early heresy
>>97003525>>97003526Even on Istvaan V the titans were starting to get Chaos'd
>>97003547>Even on Istvaan V the titans were starting to get Chaos'dServed Aruken right though
I finally finished the Siege of Terra books pic related is my rankingI completely avoided online discussion of them until I was finished so now I wanna know how it compares to the general opinion on /here/A few notes:>nearly every B plot is dogshit and several books would rank higher without them>I am sick and tired of the frantic perspective shifts in writing. It's fine when some books do it for dramatic effect but after a 10 book series written that way I've come to appreciate narrow and focused stories more>I hate the lingering implications for 40K>The Emperor was a superpowered retard>the loyalist primarchs that participated in the siege all had good moments I'm pretty happy with their portrayal>Constantine Valdor is overhyped>Sigismund is the GOAT>Mortis was probably the worst book in the series I had to take several long breaks to make it through thatThe End and the Death across its three volumes had so many bad writing tropes I am surprised they written by Dan Abnett of all people>the trend of writers ending a long story by remarking how important stories are to the future should've died with Game of Thrones>characters becoming self-aware of themselves as being characters in a story and name dropping the book title repeatedly>the books are actually a modern retelling of greek myth>the final confrontation is actually a retelling of biblical storiesIt's all belongs in the writing dumpster. AI could've done a better job and would've been more original
>>97003502No, because that only worked because it's resin, which is way cheaper to spin up molds for. It doesn't matter how embarrassing a plastic kit is GW is not going to waste the insane upfront investment cost because 1% of their userbase (that self admittedly doesn't even buy kits) doesn't like it, in 3 months when it comes out it'll be all the rage among redditors again just like saturnine
>>97003565I liked mortis and SaturnineI can't remember which book it was but it showed off how desperate the survivors were I also really liked. Think it was the one with the imperial fist dude holding the bridge by himself slashing and killing before he is killed too
>>97003600What did you like about Mortis? For me it was a stinker
>>97003600Saturnine could've been S tier but the B plots ruined it again for me. The pointless side-plot of Basilio Fo that spanned like 5 books and ended in a pointless fake out. And John Grammaticus quest to meet Erda and the new argonauts, that whole thing was so bad it should've been cut out of the entire seriesFo's story was pointless but John and Erda's was actually harmful to the series
Oh and turning Ollanius Pius into "old pious person" was not clever
>>97003502Are there any rumours about whether GW will release MKV?
>>97003649What’s the appeal. This looks like some shit people who love leather would be into.And no, not the cool leather.
>>97003649luv that apothecary>>97003677you're wrong
>>97003517>fenrisian wolves are abhumans so its not even weirdAnon, do you have anything to share with the rest of us?
>>97003649Can't wait for that so I'm going to try out this tutorial in the near future>https://drownedinplastic.blogspot.com/2013/02/tutorial-mark-v-legs.html
>>97003649You can basically get that with MkVII heads, MkVI pauldrons, MkIII backpack and MkX legs and arms
Post pics of your weekend hobby games or progress anons, you did some hobby right?I finally put together and base shaded some lizard lovers.
>>97003677I like the chest cables.
Why didn't anyone tell me that the dark mechanicum walkers had titanicus terminals and rules?
>>97003781i started painting my first miniatures but they're kind of shit
>>97003649I can't believe that GW has fucked up every nuMK.They had some of the most sovlful models ever produced with the resin ones and they gave them all the marvel treatment
>>97003775>MkX legs and armsYou mean MkIV, right?
>>97003638i dont know why this shit surprised anyone, this is the dude that wrote legion.hell, everything people hate most about HH was introduced by abnett in that book. a book he wrote expecting to be told it was retarded and would need to be trimmed down, and then was told it was fine
>>97003854Are you retarded?
>>97003638You haven't read the book
>>97003818dark mechanicum walkers had titanicus terminals and rulesWell they're pretty much plastic armigger if you don't feel like giving GW 60 buck for 3 reshit miggers.
>>97003854Genuinely have you ever actually looked at the old resin minis. I could agree with the plastic ones but ffs man. The old mk4 look like they got smacked in the face by a frying pan
>>97003854I think they've all been good. Mk3 was a downgrade over the previous version, but still quite cool in it's own right. It's mostly unfortunate that it replaced a good plastic kit when GW could have at least had the good grace to do mk2 and mk5 in plastic first.The nuCataphracti is however a pretty unequivocal downgrade.
The new mk2 and mk6 are great, mk3 is good but I fully understand why others dislike it. The new breachers and cataphract terminators are okay in a vacuum, but really bad compared to the previous versions.
>>97003677mkv armor is cool
>>97003677Fuck you.
It grinds my gears that the newer tac squad boxes have the torsos already attached to the legs
>>97004149No all the NU-marks are trash compared to the old designs. Just print upscaled versions of the old designs.
>>97003743he isn't wrong though. all the land mega fauna on Fenris is the result of the high tech Fenrisian colonists moding their children, after acomet struck the planet. By the way there aren't just "wolfs" on Fenris. the tunnels under the Fang are full of beastman tribes living in ruined corridors of ancient Fenrisian mega cities. The wulfen becoming a thing among SW, after Fenrisian recruits were introduced to the legion is also caused by an unforseen interaction between a canix helix and population of humans who already had their genenom sliced with "wolves". It is also the reason why after 10 millenia the SW gene seed , mutated from use on fenrisian born aspirants, was unable to work on regular humans and was either just killing them or killing them while turning them in to monsters. Another effect of the mutation was that the implantation of extra brain organs from SW scouts, in to Night Lords would cure them from their "visions". At least according to Bile.
I have too many projects going on but a small militia contingent seems like a lot of fun to make. Make some cav out of brets + some artillery.
>>97004345trying too hard
https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/gyfikpf1/the-myrmidon-destructor-host-prepares-to-deliver-a-litany-of-devastation/
BEEP BOOP MOTHERFUCKERShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/articles/gyfikpf1/the-myrmidon-destructor-host-prepares-to-deliver-a-litany-of-devastation/
SPOILED IT
>>97004733>>97004734>Plastic myrmidons They even look quite cool. Man, why didn't marine infantry get the same love and attention as the non-marine infantry...
>>97004757I will say these do look cooler. Really wish I had the sci fi brain to get into admech but eh...I prefer to bear the word instead.
>>97004733>>97004734These look great desu. Happy for Mechanicum players.
>>97004733>>97004734>>97004757New ones do look awesome but how come the weapons are all different? Also no axes? Will it be a separate sprue?
>>97004836>No axesThese are myrmidon destructors, not secutors.
>>97004734>>97004733No conversion beamers or Volkite?
>>97004845I know, I'm saying that I expected it to be a dual kit or at least for them to show the axes. I suppose they'll eventually come out.
>>97004734Extremely based
>>97004848Would not be surprised if there will be weapon upgrade kits and such for these.
I’ve been out of the game for a long time do these scale with normal tactical marines? Or no? can you use these in Normal 40k or is the scale different? I might get into this to use for both games.
>>97004910Myrmidons are huge, they come on 40mm bases. Don't think there is any 40k unit you could use them as.Also, GTFO you 40k tourist.
>>97004733>>97004734Mechanicum stay winningmarinefags on suicide watch
>>97004846Article only specifies the two loadouts, so yeah, it looks like there will be no other options in the kit.
>>97004910Myrmidons are bigger than termies. Their closest 40k equivalent would be the cataphons.
>>97004757>>97004733Wow, that's quite the downgrade. Thanks.
>>97003502What happened with OP pic? Did they change them?
>>97005007Bad online reception
>>97004733Bodies are alright. No axes is anti-kino. Only two guns as well. I don't like the baby knight feet. They look like that magos conversion that one guy did with a ligma knight.
>>97004757I'm gonna be real honest, the old ones kinda looked ass. I've been gearing up for a mechanicum list, and I've looked at and passed over myrmidons a couple times trying to like them. The new ones are just different. I don't think they're much of an improvement, but I have no clue why people are sobbing that it's a downgrade.
>>97004734>no volkite>no graviton imploder>no conversion beamer>no volkite culverin>worthless irradiation engine>dogshit armor>lame cowlsJesus Christ, is there anything this edition that GW doesn't fuck up?
>>97005013No surprised, all SW stuff looks like trash without exception. Just wondering if GW changed anything.
>>97005041the destructor never had axes.the secutor will be dope
>>97005041>They look like that magos conversion that one guy did with a ligma knight.Fuck you for making me see this. Even their shoulders look like ligma knights. Now I can't unsee it.
>>97005045I suppose they might put out an upgrade kit, but I don't expect they will.
>>97004734They finally look as tanky as they mechanically are.
>>97004934just means GW will shove out an upgrade sprue at some point down the line
>>97005080I could see it. Maybe do it how they do the dreads."and heres the myrmidon destructors: ares configuration, they come with volkites or conversion beamers"
>>97004340And that all the marks are identical poses? Or that hands are the same for all marks in the heavy/special/meelee boxes? Or that we do not have specific legions shoulder pads for other marks other than mk6? Or that they just killed the old heavy weapons with backpacks? Or that we do not have new legion specific units? Or that they killed the contemptor dreadnoughts by leaving only the custom torso? Or that they remove all the options from the boxes and releases in two separate boxes? Or that they are publiaihi g shitty small lore/missions books for an insane price? Not much to be pissed off. But hey, we have a new ahiny three years cycle edition. Why qould be ever be complaining? When I got a proper well payed job I was absoultely against buying recasts, but after all the shit that came out from James in the last period I am buying almost exclusevly recasts and 3d prints.I have so much minias to paint, editions and missions to play, books to read that I wouldn't even notice if GW just close their business today. Since the shit they ate producing are so disgusting for a long time I would actually be happy. They would a t lrast stop to shit on our beloved universe.
>>97004733I really like these guys. As long as "updated rules" doesn't mean "you're getting less swole to justify being in boxes of 6" I think I'll definitely grab some, I am a huge fan of techpriests xianxia body cultivating until they can headbutt a custodian in the face.Sucks to lose the weapon options, although at least they've got darkfire in there so their most important job this edition remains regardless.Looks-wise I think they'll look great once they get the same gritty paint-job as the old ones, the GW house style is doing them no favours here and I like that they look really goddamn chunky and tanky. Not an improvement aesthetically but not a downgrade either, and I loved the resin versions already.
>>97004733>>97004734Not bad, but I do prefer the weird and uncomfortable pose on the weapon arms of the old ones. It gave them a unique silhouette and kind of reminded me of Necron destroyers, which felt poetic.
>>97005143I'd imagine it would be fairly easy to do the same pose on the new guys. I'd be tempted to get six of the new guys and three of the old ones and mix them together a bit, since Myrmidons are all self-engineered war savants, they should by all rights be pretty eclectic even if they have some common themes to their augments.
>>97004925>>97004994I’m just talking about Horus heresy space marine figures I haven’t paid attention to warhammer stuff in a decade and didnt even know there was a Horus heresy subline until now. What exactly is the Horus heresy game? Is it just mostly space marines versus space marines?
>>97005152>Mixing the old and new modelsThat's actually a really neat idea
>Edtion literally not even six moths old>already updateding rulesUnaceptable
>>97003502>literal fursuit headslmfao not even hiding it anymore
>>97005045>no graviton imploderDidn't they already cut this from the datasheet since the resin models didn't come with one?
>>97005176Those were released at the start of 2.0
>>97005179>datasheet since the resin models didn't come with one?You see, instead of doing that, they should be useing the new plastic kit as an excuse to add it back instead of removeing it.
>>97005179Good. Graviton imploders were only an excuse for mechanicum WAACfags to abuse the broken grav-weapon rule from 7th edition, it had nothing to do with providing cool models, interesting rules or any relation to the fluff.
>>97005190ESL sama
>>97005164it's not just Space Marines, there are also Solar Auxilia (elite imperial guardsmen), Imperialis Militia (shitty imperial guardsmen), Mechanicum and Dark Mechanicum, Knights, and each Marine Legion has its own style of play
>>97005202You forgot Daemons of the Ruinstorm and Talons of the Emperor.
>>97004734>>97004757They look so different from each other, and I'm not sure it's for the better. It's not bad...just different. And I do need some effort to get used to it instead of saying New Bad Old Good
>>97004733>>97004734That's a whole assload of power fist and yet it hits like a mere power sword. Yikes.
>>97005266woops, sorry about that, but to be fair these guys could use a refresh
>>97005290Hopefully the upcoming liber talons will also bring a full model range to SoS. And people from the HH rules team already said daemons will be expanded upon in journals.
>>97005167I remain convinced that a book about an aspirant in a Myrmidon war cult going through all the stereotypical xianxia plot beats but themed around turning yourself into a killbot would be pretty fun, and that logically includes a few Magi of the senior generation with odd-looking augments who can kill you with ease despite their goofy-aah shoulderpads and facial hair, so the Lords would get the older shoulders and the goggle-eyed head from the old kit.You could have several sects in one city even, so they can engage in your stereotypical contests of artisanship and martial skill and then turn out to all murder Astartes/Custodes/Daemons/whoever else decided to fuck with their forge later on.
>>97005108For real, the stinginess in kits is getting insane. Everything is so fucking piecemeal. For example if I want to build a death guard heavy support squad. If I buy everything direct from GW (I would never do this but as an example >Base models - £54 (because you can’t buy 10 marines)>Death guard heads - £16 (and fuck you there’s only 11 in the box so you don’t get a full squad)> death guard shoulders pads - £16.50 (also fuck you, only 10)>alternatively death guard transfer sheet - £23.50 (fuck you it’s permanently out of stock)>heavy weapons upgrade set - £30 (fuck you if you want 20 of the same heavy weapons or 10 that aren’t included together)In total if you are a good paypig you’re spending £116.5 to outfit a 10 man squad and not even the full 20 you bought in your legion specifics. One squad, in your ENTIRE FUCKING 3000PT ARMY Alternatively I have just spent a tenner to get all the shoulder pad marks (including terminators), all the heavy weapons and special weapons, and some free DG heads. Which I can print repeatedly forever. This is not a good value proposition
>>97005164>Is it just mostly space marines versus space marines?Yes. although the mechanicum and the imperial army (and custodes) are all getting more attention as they try and expand that.
>>97005344Buy recasts or 3d print bits
>>97005368Yeah that’s what I said I’m doing
>>97005344>>Base models - £54 (because you can’t buy 10 marines)The flipside is that you then have 10 marines left over for your next unit.This isnt some "oh, you need X, the box gives you X+3/X-1 stuff". You also dont NEED transfers, heads or shoulder pads.
>>97005344You do realise the resin bits(which you can 3D print) were made with elite squads or "your dudes" in mind, yes?
>>97005381>You also dont NEED transfers, heads or shoulder pads.Good luck explaining that to a mindless cons00mer
>>97003677I like the bulldog face
>>97005378Yeah my mistake anon I can't read.
>>97005390>Good luck explaining that to a mindless cons00merThats not fair either. The custom parts obviously do look cooler, and theyre a good way to make your squads stand out. I dont blame anyone for wanting them or getting them, but I dont think its right to treat them as "the baseline requirement" when they arent. Theres countless examples, both in "real terms" and in official materials of models without the full extra stuff. Most marines just have power armor anyways.
>>97003781Finished some despoilers
>>97004733Different but still great.
>>97005381Oh yeah you don’t need any of them, I’m just illustrating how GW intends you to collect this system. You can cut corners on all of it by buying saturnine parts off eBay
>>97005344>Everything is so fucking piecemeal.try building monopose metal armies from fucking blister packs, kid
>>97003781Finished up the Doom Choom for my local Tanksgiving event.
>>97005344You are making things as expensive as possible for yourself in this scenario. I just freehand normal pauldrons and run normal heads. Making 10 lascannon + 10 autocannon marines out of the box is a price per point that basically only plastic Custodes beat.It would be cool if you could buy weapons as just an upgrade sprue, but there isn't a logical way for GW to make buying legion upgrade bits not make the models much more expensive.
>>97004733>>97004734My honest reaction to this information.Whoever is doing the Mechanicum is making the least mistakes.
>>97004757The dingy paint job and not studio 360 diffused lighting makes these look way better. As always, warcom model posting looks worse.
>>97005549>gw intendeds for me to give every single marine 2 legion upgrade pauldrons and a legion upgrade head
>>97005558is it a Space Wolf? why does it have six nipples
>>97005556Remember some of the earlier blister packs also coming with random models? A buddy of mine never got that veteran SW model he was looking for.
>>97004734They look greatHas 30k mech had a single miss yet?
>>97005617Yes
>>97005617The tech thralls got a mixed reception, not everybody liked the zombie-like shamble. Personally I like them more than the FW resin ones
>>97005549I dont think GW "intends" for you to buy the special parts for every model, because GW themselves dont do that and have never even advocated it. Hell, if you want to get SUPER expensive theres custom legion chestplates. But those are once again not "something you should always do". All these "legion X" are ways to make a unit spicier.
>>97005617Only amongst the marines. Although the castellax kit is maximum ass even if the end result looks good.
>>97005631Correction: there used to be legion chestplates.
>>97005628>>97005630I like both personally, but honestly the plastic ones make more sense when you consider their role and them having the rite of pure thought baked in as opposed to the old ones which look more like "lightly augmented tech guard" not "mind wiped gun slaves" . That's why I'm planning on using my unit of 20 old thralls as the combat veterans infantry unit and my 60 new thralls and 40 3d printed melee thralls as levy for the augmented levy militia army
>>97005646Im pretty sure they still sell them dont they?
>>97004733Honestly, I like these, better than the skitarii pilgryms, but again my mech army is fully built I don't need them which is probably why they're going to get busted new rules in the DLC book like how every journal has had units that are clearly above the curve compared to the libers
>>97005665Honestly I’d prefer if they all had bare heads rather than the gimp masks, I just think it conveys the misery more than the completely smooth mask
>>97005679Of course not. First off they're a FW product, and FW dropped 95% of their catalog before getting reabsorbed into GW proper. Second, the torso upgrade sets are incompatible with the new plastic marine infantry, probably another reason why they got discontinued.
>>97003781>gaymingPlayed a ZM game on sat and lost. Playing a Line Advance Onslaught mission this weekend>hobbitingMade a WB herald (slaaneshi). Assembling DA tacs + centurion. Depating if I want to 'bash a Dark Emissary.
>>97005682>every journal has had units that are clearly above the curve compared to the libersLol no. Master of descent is a gimmick character at best. Augur command squad is 80 points for another reaction, the unit itself does nothing. Nobody has even talked about the hyperios whirlwind. Saturnine centurions are the biggest waste of points out of all the command slot options. Saturnine command squad is probably the most solid unit, but gets expensive in points fast once you equip them. The WB saturnine are also solid, but again expensive in points.
>>97005344It's kind of funny bringing up a scenario where you're a GW paypig to bitch about their price gouging. Not too long ago when we were still buying resin for basic infantry and weapon upgrades, the same squad would be twice as expensive. Just find recasters and 3d prints like the rest of us if you dont want to spend money on plastic, christ.
>>97005628>>97005630I like the resin machine rigid lock step aesthetic. These look like typical zombies with stuff bolted on rather than actual thralls that can be ordered around.
>>97005748Are you allergic to reading I literally said I’m printing stuff
>>97005700Aren't the stuff like phalanx warders and praetorian breacher upgrade sets still around?
>>97005732The WB anointed are the single best unit in the game, if they get to do what they want to do. In terms of cost effectiveness there probably isnt a single unit that really beats them in a big melee death-brawl, or at least "no similar units from the marine/militarum/custodes books (they trade evenly-ish into custodian terminators in equal number engagements, and are 30pts cheaper or something)"I dont think theyre overpowered, their drawbacks are pretty substantial, but theyre very very powerful in their niche and are definetly above curve for "deathstar" units.
>>97005732>Augur command squad is 80 points for another reactionThat unironically makes them top 5 strongest generic units in the game and I'm not even exaggerating
>>97005780Yet you rarely see them in people's list. A praetor already provide an extra reaction point, without the risk of failing the intelligence check and getting nothing. Praetor is more points, but you also get a proper beatstick character for it.
>>97005732>MoD: completely free choice of wargear options, really strong detachment, only unit that can deep strike turn 1, also makes other deep strikes guaranteed >chaplain "You gets some stats and a D2 power maul"
>>97005793I think theres a difference between "this unit isnt good" and "people arent taking this unit", people can sleep on shit. The real issue with the augur command squad is that its a retinue unit, which makes it awkward to slot in for most lists. You either need to spend an apex on it or logistical benefit it in. And both are premium things. Plus given how fragile it is it does need babying (and the reaction is conditional, and kinda warrants a MoS to use his Int10)
>>97005808>MoD, only gives his special DS to jump units, weakest consul in combat after the ones that literally cant take melee weapons (only 3A lol)
>>97005808>Not understanding the value of the chaplain nuncio vox comboRather take the cheaper chaplain and guarantee my units are free of status effects than have to build my list around a deep strike gimmick character.
>>97005614What the hell are you talking about, old blisters weren't blind boxes. They were clear plastic. And you could mail order whatever you needed. Are you talking about the plastic space marine hero blind boxes?
>>97005808>MoD: completely free choice of wargear options,And he has the damage output of a random veteran. Yea, you can give him that thunder hammer you really wanted to put on the chaplain, he still wont be very good with it. Also: If you are taking a chaplain for his combat powers youre dumb. The point of a chaplain is that hes cheap and has a very high LD and Cool stat, thats it, thats what hes there for. To give pep talks so your dudes dont spend the game useless with statuses. Its like complaining the MoS isnt swinging a thunder hammer. Now: You could say the same for the MoD, but that makes his equipment rather moot, and the MoD is also competing with the MoS for the same niche. +1 to reserves and "guaranteed reserves, but only DS" are basically the same thing. And the MoS is iirc cheaper and has his Line/Vanguard ability to boot.The MoD has his use, but that use is basically reliant on "I have a particular jump unit I want to DS up the table turn 1". Thats it, thats the use.
>>97005808One is like 50pts cheaper than the other one (if you kit them out) though. And those stats are very useful. And chaplains are also niche.
>nobody mentions Command Throne
>>97005872What about it? It only worke on Mechanicum units, is even more expensive and harder to use than augur, and is there because Mechanicum doesn't get a bonus reaction for taking an archmagos
>>97005682What has been op so far? Deep strike is still shit with master of descent. Better saturnine is kinda welcome.
>>97005941Interdiction cadres maybe? Although that still feels pretty situational.I think the journal units/options have been pushed, but none of them have become super oppressive or clearly OP or whatever. Although the balance is just also generally better this time round. The most clearly "OP" thing is a rhino with a havoc launcher, those should be 24" range and like 10ppm.
>>97005772Phraetus are actually only decent at punching elite terminators, if you put three of them up against the almost-identically-expensive five Justaerin, five Lernaeans or five Inner Circle with the +1D skill then the normal terminators kill one before they can swing and the Phraetus then don't have the attacks to pull it back. The big advantage of phraetus is that they need no support whatsoever since they can deepstrike themselves, they have very solid guns to clear up a unit on the drop and then they can waddle around being a nightmare, whereas all those other squads need delivery systems. Phraetus are also a great Lorgar escort, but that requires you to go spartan deathstar.
>>97006044Justaerin with thunder hammers are the same cost as a phraetus no?
>>97006044You know that reminds me...I really want to heavily convert a saturnine praetor into the daemon prince version of my praetor as a lorgar stand in ror my army. After all, both of them are WS6, T6, W6, with a 2+/4++ and a S8 Ap2 D3 critical hit weapon. The +1 BS, A, I, and eternal warrior could be explained as the results of Ascension to darmon hood...
>>9700606260ppm for hammer justies, 325 for 5. 5 Lerns with hammers are a nice round 300, which is surprisingly cheap. AL bastards winning once again.Phraetus with fists and shredders are 70ppm but have a higher squad tax and pay 60pts for Deep Strike, so three are 255pts without DS and 315 with. The Terminators also have Vanguard 4 and Line 1 respectively, which is not nothing. I think melee capability is roughly proportional to points cost since you can get about 3.5 Phraetus for the cost of the Lernaean squad, but the deepstriking disintegrator flamers are something that no other terminator unit can match.
Which legion has the coolest named termie unit?
>>97005628I think these are awesome
>>97006309Thousand Sons
>>97006309Honestly the iron Warriors are close with Siege Tyrants, if only they could've been Iron Tyrants and gotten the option to swap their combi bolters for reaper autocannons or shrapnel bolt cannons as terminator Iron Havocs
So what do (You) put in a land raider achilles?
>>97006309It's IH. Like no shit it's IH. Gorgons or morlocks don't matter. They're head and shoulders above the rest.
>>97006340My dick, of course.
>>97006358Too small for mine, I have to use a Spartan
>>97006309IH Gorgons and AL Lernaeans tie, for me. They're both very pretty and they both have things going on that aren't "normal member of legion XYZ in cataphractii".Honourable mention to the Justaerin because while they're not particularly exciting they are very much the benchmark that every other terminator elite measures itself against.
Why do the traitors weld the Aquila on the tits of their Saturnine armor? Is it meant to be ironic?
>>97005810Deathwing Conclave(P), Primacy Wing (EC), and Veteran Cadre (any legion) all have a non-Apex unrestricted Retinue slotDeathwing Combat Veterans Augur squad would be testing on 9s most of the time
>>97006340why one saturnine praetor of course
>>97006383So>legion specific>legion specific>locked behind a certain consul (that isnt the consul that has synergy with them, and semi-implicitly comes at the cost of -1 aux detachment compared to a centurion)Youre kind of oroving the point, theyre not easy to fit in.
>>97006382it's not the aquila, it only has one head
>>97006399really? are we complaining about legion champions now too? good fucking god /hhg/
>>97006420Im not complaining about them, im pointing out theyre not something that has any synergy with the augur squad on their own. Champions are also not exactly super common either are they? Theyre not "free", you arent just always taking one (and the veteran cadre) and therefore can just plug the augur squad in. Its an investment, one that eats into your finite supply of command slots (unless you spend an apex for more). Which is the whole point, that while augur squads are cheap they come at a high opportunity cost which sees them not be very common.
>>97006382
>>97006402>>97006466Why would you even try to correct the record on this when you don't even know the most basic facts of the matter? You are not equipped with the knowledge to even understand the question, let alone provide an informed answer, so what can you contribute by chiming in?The aquila being referenced in relation to saturnine armor is the saturnine aquila. How does that go over your head? Do you not know what an aquila is? Are you unaware that there are multiple variants of aquila in use in the Imperium? This is the lowest possible bar to clear before speaking on the topic and you failed to clear it. How?
>>97006342Aren't they ws4?
>>97005808They hated you because you spoke he truth.
>>97006309Deliverers. Nothing beats veterans that have fought horrors and marines alike and come out on top. No gimmicks like cyber shit or mind bullets. Raw Cain-channeling talented murder.
>>97006596Gorgons? Yea, they are. But they have basically terrain greatswords and a FNP on top of their invuln. Theyre really good. Morlocks are also insanely good.
>>97003677They’re defiantly on the bottom for as far as armors go but i still appreciate it as part of the history and want a set of it just for that
>>97005840NTA but I'm pretty sure he means the blisters that were like space marine veterans x2 and you would look through all the blisters on the rack hoping to find the combination of the ones you wanted in one pack.
>>97006575The forges of saturn are a separate faction you colossal retard. The inbred tourist who asked the question might as well have asked why the traitors and Dark Mechanicum use the cog and skull symbol of the cult mechanicus.
>only Nex can use pistols as melee weaponscome on now
>>97006666Quads of truth. WS4 sadly limits Gorgons, even point for point they struggle into their WS5 opposite numbers, but they are very durable for cost, since 5++ 5+++ is slightly better than the normal cataphractii invuln.Morlocks are one of the best character escorts in the game, with the possible exception of Suzerains for UM. Nuncio-vox, gravguns for pinning, tanky, come in a small enough unit that you can fit them in a Land Raider rather than a Spartan even when escorting a big bastard like a Sat Praetor or a Primarch. That last is big enough to outweigh only having power fists easily in most cases, it's 150pts saved right there.Putting Lorgar with Phraetus gets you a better melee unit and near-immunity to statuses/morale so you don't need the vox, but they can't ride in anything besides a Spartan or a Storm Eagle because Saturnine are too fat.
>>97006887As if people wouldn't continue to only take thunder hammers anyway.
>>97006629I agree, and I am Alpharius
>las rapiers>las vindicator>sicaran to turn into an omega>mkii assaults to make a power weapon vet squad>mkvi assaults to finish an existing assault squadwhat do
>>97007197uh make an armistos
>>97005058Plz fix that bendy ruler sword before you continue painting anon.
>>97007197Build an allied detachment of Militia
>>97007261I do actually have a militia plan down the line, but I want to get at least one of these five done first.
>>97006896Gorgons are heavy assault right? Theyre in a better slot than WS5 termies too.
>>97007298Yeah, and they don't need weapon upgrades since they come stock with their excellent axes and a hammer on the sarge, plus 3A each and a squad heavy weapon. They're good lads, at 200pts for a min squad they can absorb a lot of attention and still remain capable of scoring Vanguard against most troops, but they aren't great against enemy melee elites.
>>97006342Extremely based and correct
>>97007329A 5++/5+++ makes them around the tankiest bare ones terminators and you throw in some fists they could just outlast other WS5 terminators... Maybe?Someone want to the run math?
Rhino XL
>>97007329I've had gorgons fucking slaughter a unit of Justaerin before, that shit was crazy
40keks are crying that they don't get to use 30k mech again
>built a DA centurion last night>realize I only have 9 DA pads left>have to decide between demoting him to sgt or building some 9-man squad (thinking missile launchers because why not)wat nou?
>>97007438Maybe if they collectively playing the dogshit game and buying the dogshit models GW would feel some sort of motivation to give them something good. But as long as those paypigs gobble up whatever 40k stamped slop GW shits out, they'll continue to get zero effort slop.
>>97007453Dutch detected?Clearly the answer is to build 5 more characters, and then use the last 4 for an augur command squad.
>>97007356I don't think you can do it reliably at even points, hammer command squad cataphractii are only 5ppm more than fist gorgons and do effectively twice the damage. Even mixing axes and fists in the right ratios to theoretically take the hits on cheaper models you'd need too many, since you need six artificer axes to kill one cataphractii on average when hitting on 5+.The main advantage of Gorgons here is that their 35pt stock loadout is good into basically anything that isn't WS5 2+ and the unit comes fully geared with Vanguard 3. Throw in a grav-shredder to fish for pins and just use them as bullies and relatively cheap zoning squads. They're very tanky and since any squad that shoots at them risks suppressing itself they can really penalise the opponent for focusing them down with multiple shooting units.
>>97007487Don't under-estimate that 5+ FnP anon. FnP is quite frankly ridiculously good in HH now.
>>97007470It's a /pol/ referenceIt's for an allied detachment of DA
>>97007403Nice Impulsor :^)
>>97007403I bet you like station wagons
When was fires of cyraxus supposed to come out orginally, shortly after 40k 8th right?
>>97004733>>97004734>Hear me out, what if we had Space Marine Mechanicustates Space Marines?>Brilliant James
>>970077142017, right before 8th. It was delayed because the dumbfucks at GW didn't tell FW they were changing editions so they needed to rewrite every rule. Then Bligh died and FW imploded.
>>97007502Already factored in, unfortunately having a 55.5% chance of succeeding on your save rather than 50% doesn't make up for the giant output gap that opens up when they're hitting twice as often as you are. Handing out a bunch of fists is also a tad point-inefficient because the fist costs the full 10 points but you're upgrading from the shredding power axe that's rather better than the usual variant. Shame you can't hit them with that sweet sweet cybertheurgy, they'd take to it very well with 2+ save to resist Feedback and a good model count.>>97007728More like Mechanicus Centurions, except instead of a goofy suit of armour for your armour it's one guy who has optimised himself until he becomes a small dreadnought. Maybe Mechanicus Custodes at the higher end, the sarges do get WS5 BS5 and very large guns.
>this point into 2.0, we had 100 imperial fist characters>3.0 supposed to be salamanders and iron warriors edition>iron warriors still has 1 model which came out in 2.0
>>97007784>this point into 2.0, we had 100 imperial fist charactersDid we? Sure we had Fafnir but Garruis only came with the first supplement and they still haven't done that.
>>97007784Unironically an improvement. FUCK named characters.
>>97005197retardgraviton imploders weren't even close to the best haywire in 1e mech
>>97007742word, thankyou
>>97004733these look like dogshit.
>>97007784Sorry desu resin is dead, now you need yo wait 3 years for the manufacturing to open up for a new plastic mold (oops, now it's ultramarines vs word bearers poster boys for 4th edition mk4 betrayal at calth callback sorry)
>>97007849It wasn't about the haywire, it was about the>Oh your save is my to wound roll>Also it has AP 2 because of course>Also it has enough shots to mow down hordes even if they only got a 5+ armour saveThe retard here is you for thinking this was about haywire.
>>97007887>tourist thinks having infantry-murdering-weapon #5152 was what was problematicdo your reps before posting
>>97007899I can tell you move goalposts as your profession.
>>97007915I can tell you don't even have a job, much less any braincells left to rub together
>>97004487He's trying nothing, that's the entirely factual position of ~90% of people. Even people who think the new designs are good will largely admit they're a downgrade.
>>97005828Yeah, I don’t particularly like what they’ve done to the armistos and chaplain but at the very least they’re extremely good at what they do. If you’re running vanguard jump spam mod is great but in regular armies there’s atleast a dozen command units I’d rather use
>>97005941Rhino spam but it’s not a particularly hard strategy to counter. Just swap a unit or two around. Balance is way less oppressive this ed. I guess the worst units to face are anything av14 but even then they’re just hard to knock down which isn’t something that you have to worry about as long as you status them or feed them enough meat or metal to keep them occupied
>>97004733I want to love these but they tried a little too hard to incorporate Knight aesthetics with the pauldrons and gun shields and holy SHIT where is the volkite and conversion beamer??
>>97008068rhino spam is still kind of obnoxiousI can see why andy wanted to get rid of vehicle wrecks, people in my local area just use the rhinos to block LoS to their scoring tacs and then the wreckage still blocks LoS once I clear them
>>97008068>>97008145I dont think rhino spam is "op", at least in the sense that it is oppressive or whatever. But it IS easy to do and lends itself to a fairly fast-paced meta.You dont need rhinos, but you do need to start scoring ASAP
>>97008145Anon wreckage explicitly doesn't block LOS, it's light area terrain
>>97008163rhinos do become less useful the smarter players get bc of how solved the objective placement isthe problem is we're all retarded>>97008171it blocks LoS in the fact that my models physically cannot see behind it, not like the medium terrain LoS abstraction
>>97007784Don't worry, Sloptica 3 will give WS4 BS4 Expendable 2 double twin heavy disintegrator IW faturnines
>>97008211That sounds kino.
>>97008190also pic for those who don't knowall 3 deployment maps overlap in these corners so you can just slap player placed objectives in or around these cornersthis is assuming your opponent does the same
>>97007403Repressor, my beloved...Seriously, why didn't they bring it back for the Sisters of Battle update?
>>97007784I hate 3.0, but I'm fairly certain that at this point in 2.0 we had only just got Liber Imperium.
>>97007820No, my praetor doesn't take his helmet off in battle cause he isnt a fucking moron.
>>97008498Also... Helmets are easier to paint than heads.
Any ideas for a fancy gun or some fancy equipment to give to a tartaros centurion? I want to give it something cool while being mostly WYSIWYG but that's kind of limiting.I don't have the chops to make a belt fed combi bolter.
>3.0
>>97008756Im going to run mine with a headsmans axe and either that wrist mounted volkite charger he comes with or a combi bolter (since I have some spare terminator banestrikes)
>>97008789I'm tempted to sneak in an indomitus arm since I don't have a regular left arm for the cool power axe I have.
>>97008781>2.0
are the resin faction specific units out of scale with the newer stuff?
My quad turrets arrived.
Anyone else gonna try metallic SoH with the new Vallejo set?
>>97008250Having objectives so far away kinda makes me want to get a Rhino. Gotta read up the comment chain to see what this is about
>>97009432Cool color but I just don't like metallic SoHMy platonic ideal is the washed-out jade from Index Astartes
>>97008250>Just always slap objectives in these corners bro>Within 12" of the board edge when at least one mission says objectives have to be over 12" from the board edges.
>>97008171This anon is correct! >>97008190Sadly you guys are playing it wrong as per the specific OPTIONAL rules for wrecks. If it explodes you remove it, if wrecked its "Light Terrain" no LOS blocking.
>>97009432i want to do so much shit with that new line.
>>97009432>>97009581Got the red and gold 4 sets coming, can't wait to finally try out some 1Ksons.
>>97009681does he use magic to get that shirt on?
>>97009681Americans pretending therapy is good or normal will never not be weird.
>>97009506this is the narrative you're pushingmodels do not have x-ray vision
how common are 1000 point games? do you see them often or is it only 2000?
>>970099223000 is the standard for HH. 2000 is a small game.1000 is great if you're just learning.
>>97009922Very often currently, lots of new players locally
WHERE ARE THE BANANAMEN JAMES
>>97009926>>97009928nice. im starting with solar aux and want to stay at 1000 points
>>97009940Bananawomen you mean :^)
>>97009947MY DUDES ARE MISOGYNISTS
>>97009952You will not be missed :^)
>>97007403neatThat's a lot of heavy guns for a rhino chasis transport tho
>>97005556Unironically cheaper, as far as I can remember
>>97010013Now add 25+ years of inflation to the number in your head
>>97010079You mean 25+ years of GW rising prices above inflation every couple years, I assume
>>97009875
>>97010125NTA but I'm pretty sure someone checked and GW prices actually do match inflation...in pounds. Everyone else pays the colony/former enemy tax multiplied by inflation which is why the price gap is so huge over the years. I still remember when FW converted to using GW price conversions instead of standard and everything went up 20-40 bucks ;_;
>>97009432I'm using Duncan's colored metallics for my current project, but I'll love to try Vallejo's new ones at some stage seeing that the existing Metal Color line is already great for silvers.
How do you kill a knight efficiently?
>>97010374With krak grenades, they're struck on rear AV and have no way of buffing their WS past 4, melee is a death sentence for them now.
>>97009875The rules clearly states you remove the models as per the basic rules for models dying due to wounds or HP. THEN if you want you can use with agreement between both players at the start of the match leaving them as light terrain (has no LOS as per its terrain type).If the local group are spamming rhinos to use them as LOS wrecks breaking both LOS rules for light terrain and the can't use that option rule without consent then the Anon affected can ask for the optional rule not to be used based on ppl who can't read abusing an optional rule.you sir are just being a no games, can't read contrarian and can thusly go fuck yourself.
>>97010483A PIECE OF TERRAIN DOES NOT SIMPLY BECOME TRANSPARENT WHEN IT IS DECLARED AS LIGHT TERRAINIT IS STILL PHYSICALLY BLOCKING SIGHT YOU NIGGER MONKEY
>>97010374In the ass, no joke, its actually their proper weak point in 3.0. Knights mostly have Armour 11 in the ass so go to town with literally anything over str 6 and wreck em.
>>97010483wrecks are only counted as light terrain for rules that target it line of sight doesn't target it
>>97010513>>97010540You guys are retarded, TERRAIN PIECES block line of sight, wrecks become LIGHT AREA TERRAIN, and area terrain has very specific rules for how it's Interacts with LOS, because light terrain is supposed to represent IT'S FULL OF FUCKING HOLES because it's a SMOKING WRECK
>>97010513>>97010540You can only make wrecks terrain if both people consent to using this OPTIONAL rule at the start of the game, otherwise its just not used at all my guys
>>97010553you did not address the part where wrecks are counted as light terrain only for rules that target it and not all the time
>>97010566But it always counts as area terrain. Area terrain rules reference light terrain.
>>97010566...so your argument is either is doesn't block line of sight because it's light terrain, or it doesn't block line of sight because it's area terrain without a specified type (according to you), and only medium and heavy area terrain block line of sight? Weird argument but glad you agree
>>97010591do you often hallucinate points people make so you can act smug about it?
>>97010591Why don't you hallucinate me up where in the rulebook it says area terrain (generic) blocks line of sight? Or where it says a wreck is a terrain piece? I'll wait.
>>97010621I would never want to play against a game against a retard who says he can see models that are physically hiding behind walls
>>97010629It's not a wall though
>>97010621all terrain blocks line of sightarea terrain blocks line of sight if you draw 3" through itLIGHT terrain changes it to never blockingWRECKS are only LIGHT terrain for rules that target it and not all the timeWRECKS are generic pieces of area terrainread the rules next time, moron
>>97009914>2014 was 11 years agoAll is dust bros
I'm not sure if it's ESL or autism, but yes, you can shoot through walls if they're light terrain. Fluff it as augur scans if you must.
>>97009952Well who's gonna bake the banana bread mate
>>97003821I have a small pile of minis at this point, and they're all kind of shit. But when they're on the table it looks fine, and I'm not trying to win any painting awards, so it's all fine. You just gotta accept it, and enjoy it over the bare plastic, anon.
>>97010731It will be amerifats that can't or won't read, every time.
>>97004487No I'm being honest and a lot of people agree.>>97007943Thank you.
>>97004734>>97004757The nu-shoulder pads look so ugly why did they change that, ffs ruins their look
>>97010979>replying to yourself
>>97005043Pleb.
>Iron Hands ripped off a piece of the orbital ring of medusa and turned it into a mega-ship to purge traitor worlds and counter the Word Bearers Abyss Battleships>Word Bearers had a unit of super-saturnine terminators possessed by Daemons that had warp shields
>>97004733They look bigger, could be on 50mm bases?
>>97010994I did not silly gimp
>>97010731It's not even that, it's retards thinking that the tank is completely intact despite the fact that it's lost all it's HULL points, you know, that abstraction that represents it's structural integrity and once it's gone represents the thing being so shot to shit it falls apart? It's full of holes nigga you ain't hiding shit
So I was doing some digging into the history of fires of cyraxus, and it all tracks up till the 8th edition 40k imperial armours. I understand Bligh passed shorty after they were announced, but, I was wondering if any other reason was ever given for the mechanicum being absent from the books?
>>97009499no regular human plays that mission.
>>97011105wrecks have blocked LoS for years, faggot
can you mix and match different armors in a squad in this game or do they all need to be mk 2/mk6/etc???
>>97011105this tank lost of its hull points, blow apart. You tell me if it blocks LoS or not.
>>97011105You know smoke can be LOS blocking, in other games and IRL right? It's not about stopping bullets, it's about making it an unworthy loss of supplies, ammo in this case, to shoot through it.I forget the HH3.0 rules for vehicle smoke so I can't just quote that, but also varying levels of smoke thickness and such. Yadda yadda.
>>97011278thats cool but what about my question im asking here>>97011200
>>97011200Armor pattern consistency is only important for Terminator models, Cataphractii, Tartaros, Saturnine, and Indomitus all each have different rules. Whether to make your squads homogeneously one power armor pattern each or not is up to you, it's generally more common with Shattered Legions.
>>97011200>>97011294The different armour is just cosmetic and has no rule differences so yeah you can mix them as you see fit.
>>97011294I think you responded to the wrong post bro. I was talking to the guy that I >>edAlso for parade ready, all the armour should match. For fluff, give sgts and special weapons guys "better" armour. DESU No one will give a shit that your MK3s and MK6s are mixed. Other then sperg lords.As for my own Heresyery, I can't decide if I should get some marines, or some squats for my militia force. I WANTED to focus the militia, but it's going ot be so much work compared to just getting some volkites and bodies.
>>97011296>>97011297thx, second question, do you think i can use horus heresy armors like mk2 to kitbash 40k chaos marine armor? or would people have an issue with that? (for use in 40k)if i used some horus heresy armor to kitbash with mk6/mk7 tactical marine squads would that be okay or no? (for 40k)i mainly am interested in the horus heresy packs for kitbashing in 40k. but if the game ends up being fun i may try playing HH.
i responded to the right post i was just be annoying and interjected myself for my answer.i just really like space marines, and i hate the new primaris stuff. ive been considering making a space marine army where every squad is a different chapter or something so its visually cool to look at. like different groups teaming up to fight together. i dont think my ADHD can handle painting 100 space marines in one color. id rather each squad be its own chapter for fun.
>>97011312For some chaos factions it will work really well, Iron Warriors, anyone chaos undecided really. Also you can always just say they are hiding their corruption, or some such for spec ops reasons. Works obviously well with Alpha Legion. ALSO ALSO Alpha Legion never ran to the eye of terror to hide out, so them using old gear is about par for the course.Do what you want with your plastic dudemens, but don't mix primaris and 30k, that's a legit hell type sin.
>>97011331my plan is to play 4th edition 40k again, so im brainstorming how im going to do that. primaris isnt canon to me. if i close my eyes they dont exist. i may just make a space marine army in all mark 6 and mark 7 but mixed chapters, but for variety was wondering if i can mix any horus heresy era armor in or not or if it would be retarded.
>>97011312Sure, I'd stick to mk6 personally as mk2 is phased out during 40k but it could be some mk2 guys trapped in the warp messing up the timeline, so it could work too.
>>97011320>i hate the new primaris stuffBased, me too. If you want every squad to be different look up Blackshields or Shattered legions.
>>97011336for 4th do it. Once again it works better with some factions. But maybe toss in some of those resin parts for the more unique chapters. A headdress here for 1ksons or some terror squad upgrades for NL. In case you haven't noticed, HH plastics are 100 for a 20 man box, where as 40k plastics are 100 for a 10 man, or 5 man box. So it just seems smart to use heresy parts.
>>97011336Primaris are kings anon. You will kiss the ring.
>>97011343>personally as mk2 is phased out during 40ki can make them a chapter that uses the play it again sports logo, ah well beakies and mk 6 are good enough for me. would it still work for chaos though in 40k? maybe an idea to keep on my backburner then. (pretty sure you said itd work)>>97011347will do. im starting my collection from scratch, when i was in HS i remember making a 4th ed ultramarines army and while it looked nice it was boring not being able to paint any of the other chapters i liked the look of. i have always liked the idea of multiple space marine chapters fighting tyranids or something and being outnumbered so having to work together.>>97011351i may try and buy some 2nd hand old unpainted or poorly painted 2000s warhammer stuff to salvage and work off of to beef out my numbers>100 for a 10 man boxthats crazy really are the prices that bad now? yeah the horus stuff seems like a decent value all things considered. really excited to get beakies.>>97011375kiss my ass primoid
>>97011312You can 'count as' 30k models into 40k just fine as long as you're clear on what represents which, you'll get away with it far easier in the case of CSM, Iron Warrior and Alpha Legion especially. Both of these are especially thriving rules-wise in this game too, but the former's access to MkII-III is very on the nose, and the latter even has the Unsung, who is pretty much a 30k company who got slingshotted 10,000 years into the future, who experience culture shock, get a very full-on crash course on the 42nd millennium itself while stealing a macguffin (person), and in another book, was mentioned in passing telling other AL warbands to the effect of killing themselves. Suppose there's also the Fallen if you want other time travel marines.Blackshields are another possible avenue you could look up. Essentially renegades.Mixing the tactical marine kits of this time with the CSM Legionnaires one isn't unheard of for those still wanting Chaos flavor in 40k, but you'd probably have to do a bit of cleanup or use them as late Heresy Word Bearers or Sons of Horus in 30k. The 1d6c tactica in the OP has some rough guidelines for what's kosher in this game, seeing that 40k's community is a bit more forgiving when it comes to verisimilitude. For the loyalist side, counting 30k marines as Primaris ones might be harder since they got a lot of varied armor patterns going on and different vehicle footprints, but if you're just sticking with an older edition anyway, you can just build with 30k kits and play them like any other Firstborn just fine. Just mind the model scale discrepancies.
>>97011383It's maple bucks and cherry picking but BT Crusader squad is 78 for 10, Heavy intersessors are 80 for 5. And Heresy MK6 107 for 20.So it's not that bad, but when I budget for warhammer I put aside 100 for a box basically. For non marines, the new leman russ is the same price as the old Russ kit, and it's like 10 times better quality.
>>97010998God it all sounds so fucking gay
>>97007784I do not give a shit about main characters. I care more that it’s taken this fucking long to slap shields and a one handed bolter on some marines >still no fucking seekers
>>97011557>aesthetic of models don't even fit with the plastic models made a decade agoI love how blatantly jarring it all is.
>>97011593You don’t understand anon it took them a decade to sculpt a flat shield
>>97011557>no seekersOh no, GW has not released the officially endorsed marines holding bolters with scope on it yet, woe is me!
>>97011557If you really need seekers you can just take basic dudes with bolters and just glue on a scope and extended barrel to make them snipers.
Ur not gonna believe Maccas take on the new myrms broshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK74umKJSbw
>>97011557Seekers are ez to kitbash don't be such a hobbylet
>>97012004Does he whinge about them and claim they're a direct downgrade from the FW sculpts?Also buy an ad, faggot
>>97012004Buy a fucking ad
>>97012004why is he so fat and stupid
if i ever just wanted to run a simple game of space marines versus space marines is this better in any way from any of the 40k editions? ive never looked into this before.
>>9701222030k has specific rules, wargear, and unique units for the eighteen legions on top of a very large army list. Blackshields and Shattered Legions are also options.
>>97012220The most fun I've had playing marines has been 7th edition 40k and the main issues of that edition would not apply if it's marine vs marine desuTho HH 1.0 and 2.0 are not that differentI'm not a fan of how 3.0 is looking but I haven't played it that much yet desu
do marines still get the thunderbolt or lightning? pros and cons of each compared to the xiphon?
>>97012042because he likes the models in general , but hates the modern 70+ foot out of 9 parts models?and he can have his dreams about a box with both load outs in one box, but those times are gone.
>>97012042He's fat because he's stupid.He's stupid because he's fat.
>>97012298I don't think they doAnd there's not a whole lot of reasons to ally them in, I think. The thunderbolt is a bit more resilient but not really by much at the cost of less fire power, and the lightning has less resilience and more or less the same fire power so what's the point
>>97012372>so what's the pointThey're cool models, the most important point there is.
>>97011557Seekers are literally just marines with fancier bolters.
>>97011557That helmet looks really weirdLike it has less armour than a normal helmet instead of more...
>>97010689So you're telling me that a medium terrain wall with a window still blocks LoS?
>>97012544Yes, that's the whole reason 3.0 has better LOS blocking terrain. Most civilised people already played 2.0 with the house rule that the bottom floor of terrain pieces could never be looked through, regardless of windows doors or cracks, to keep the game at least somewhat functional.
>>97012557>>97010689NTA, but all of those rules suck. Not interested.
>>97012587>t. seething gunlinefag
>>97012557Thats fucking stupid. I don't mind saying first floor blocks, but having that and the depth/heavy rule is stupid. I say that while liking obscuring/limiting shooting.Are we really supposed to say ruined walls with large holes are light, the base the terrain is on/footprint is medium, and walls with pinholes are heavy all on the same piece of terrain? Because I fucking will.
>>97010399I wish they’d fix this fucking oversight of the rules. Vehicles being auto hit in the rear in melee, not being removed for knights is so goddamned retarded.
>>97012599>not being removed for knights is so goddamned retarded.Hard agree. If knights were 90s scifi clunkers maybe, but knights are way too agile and fast for their size. Any infantry would be sent flying.
>>97012598I mean, yeah if you want to, you totally can. The current terrain rules almost explicitly tell you to use them as building blocks to customise terrain rules to your own liking by assigning each bit of terrain the rule you think is most fitting. So you would actually be using the terrain rules as intended, to create your own preferred experience.
>>97012598Its an abstraction. If you are right next to the wall (or say, in a ruined building) you can see out of the openings, but if you are very far away you cant see through the building, because the "holes" arent literally 1:1Just because on the ruined building model (designed to be a game piece, and therefore sturdy and prodiving visibility at models in/on it) you could see through one end and out of a hole on the other doesent mean that would be possible "in universe">>97012544 Is not area terrain, its just a wall, theres nothing attached to it. For it to be medium area terrain (and therefore have the "3" LoS aura" it would need to be just that, an area of ruins and shit.
>>97007784Reminder that GW said they'd "accelerate releases", yet there has been less releases than what 2.0 started with.1984 kinda shit>We have increased chocolate rations from 3 grams to 2 grams! All hail Oceania
How do I get started with Mechanicum? I like the Thallax and big robots, of which the Combat Force box seems to provide in spades, but nobody where I am plays Mech and I'm just trying to get a read on their crunch, seeing things like Tech Priests oddly occupy the troops slots and all too. The subfaction rules seem a bit peculiar since some of them only have one unit each; are these guys typically played with relatively skewed lists?
>>9701268930 thallax.More seriously? Yes, theyre weird. Your most important objective is probably to figure out how youre going to score, of which the safest bet is probably "tech priests with castellax".Once you have your "core" figured out, figure out how you want to actually win the game, and take detachments appropriately.
>>97012004The resin kit has one of each weapon and they're modeled on giant tactical rocks. This fat nigger is complaining for the sake of audience expectation.
>>97007784I'm surprised we haven't gotten a character in Saturnine armor teebeehaytch
>>97012689Generally you mix lots of subfactions in the same army, the fact they're all technically different "factions" is mostly just to decide what synergises with what. Your primary detachment can include lots of different subfactions, aux detachments need to stick to one each.The way Mechanicum accesses Line is through the Comptroller rule, which basically means that any scoring unit joined by a techpriest or magos is Line 1-2. In practice, a few arcana have no units that aren't either Vanguard or non-scoring to join, so you're looking at Thallax with Reductor priests attached (capable veteran-equivalent shooty units, but slowed down to near-infantry speeds by the attached magos), Lacrymaerta with Tech-Thralls (relatively durable regenerating chaff, but with no offensive capability) and Cybernetica with any non-Vanguard automata (expensive, capable, durable) as your normal scoring units. The usual army composition picks the arcana of your Archmagos first, which unlocks an Apex detachment with lots of buffed units from that particular arcana and tends to determine your general composition. You then add a couple of scoring magi/techpriests of your preferred arcana and then add detachments of whatever else you want.So in my case, I like Ursarax. Ursarax are buffed by Lacrymaerta techpriests, so I get:A Lacry Archmagos, who unlocks the Ursarax apex det3 units of Ursarax to fill out that detachmentSome tech-thralls for the Archmagos to score withTwo subsidiary Magi, probably Cybernetica or more LacryCastellax or Thralls for said magi to score with and then go from there.
>>97012646They did lol. All we have left to add to get 3.0 to where 2.0 was after 3 years is just the full talons liber and larger campaign books. It took, what 1.5 years to get to this point with 2.0 and its not even been 6 months
>>97012646Did they say that for 3.0? Because they even announced heresy thursday would never return. At least all the factions got decently playable rules within half a year of the new edition's release. 2.0 fucking sucked for everybody who didn't play marines, hell shattered legions and blackshields didn't get rules until we were over two and and a half years into 2.0
>>97012713I’ve not looked at the og kit and yeah…That’s fucking horrific wtf lmao. I would rather be forced to kitbash them than have seperate guns per guy lmao
>>97012637>abstractionTo a degree. Game pieces can be intelligently designed to be functional. A window is deliberately placed to grant LoS in GW terrain. That should allow LoS. Compare to a small vent or bullet holes like in the octarius terrain; those are holes to add detail via subtraction on on layer. Those shouldn't grant LoS.The other side is that the 3" depth rule is an abstraction for area terrain to have rubble/debris/crates/bodies/etc that would otherwise inhibit game play by making moving/placing models too hard.
>>97012921>The other side is that the 3" depth rule is an abstraction for area terrain to have rubble/debris/crates/bodies/etc that would otherwise inhibit game play by making moving/placing models too hard.Thats more of what I was talking about. It allows for a "ruined building" to both be functionally relevant and still usable as a game piece
>>97012637>97012544 Is not area terrainIt's just an example, I called it a medium wall instead of saying "pretend it's on a medium terrain base"
>>97012931>I called it a medium wall instead of saying "pretend it's on a medium terrain base"But thats a pretty big difference. if it was on a medium terrain area base, you would have to have decided that the entire area it is on is sufficiently dense terrain (maybe its part of a field of ruins), which would explain why despite the door being there, someone cant see very far/all the way through. As is its what, 0.5" of medium terrain? Thats not blocking anything, not anything it doesent literally obscure.
>>97012904Yeah, it's somehow a significant improvement in terms of options-in-the-actual-kit. I do prefer the old flat shoulderpads and wide hoods to the new floating round shoulderpads and sticky-out normal heads, but I think that's likely to be quite simple to fix by moving the shoulders down by a couple of milimetres and finding something to put in the gap behind the head, either greenstuff cables, parts, mechadendrites or maybe even greenstuffing a bigger hood on there.
>>97012921Just because there is a window doesn't mean it's realistic that everything behind it can be clearly seen. You can see somebody standing directly behind a window, but good luck spotting them any further away than that. Can you make out the facial features of a car's driver from hundred feet away through the car window? Thought so.The 3" distance is a sensible abstraction. Not to mention that models are static and stationary, whilst actual combatants are almost constantly moving, ducking behind cover, etc.
>>97012850That faction rules is all they said that for which, yeah in <6 months they’ve gotten all but talons out
>>97012960Poor example, I don't need to tell if the driver has a mustache to shoot at him. Also the example above has a skitarii right up against the window, presumably firing giving away it's position. Valid target. Were it >3" into the terrain that's fine, as far as an abstraction goes.>>97012944According to the above, the terrain piece (wall)within the feature absolutely blocks LoS regardless of the window.
>>97012965I am hoping that the placeholder rules for Talons do actually indicate what direction they're going in for the actual custodes statlines. Obviously all-Vanguard is terrible and needs to go and SOS should have their stuff back/actually get decent melee weapons, but EW1 2+/6++ or 2+/5++ on basic custodes makes them so much less obnoxious to interact with than their 40k cousins or their 1e incarnation with global 4++.Apparently they were also like that in 2e, but I wouldn't know, I skipped basically all of that edition because my entire Mechanicum army was abysmal.
>>97012988>According to the above, the terrain piece (wall)within the feature absolutely blocks LoS regardless of the window.But it doesent, because its not 3" thick (and not area terrain)
>>97013070what SoS need most of all is some proper FUCKING MODELSI mean it's great when somebody like SoS anon makes incredible conversions, but relying on unicorns to keep a faction alive is just not realistic.
>>97012557yeah, no system where seeing 1mm of one model means 20 dudes get to die is a good LoS system for any game.
The malcador kit goes out of its way to make magnetizing it annoying
>>97013180Magnetizing is for the weak and faithless
>>97012710>>97012826Thanks for the insight. Suppose I'll look into something heavy on bots or some other sort of balance.
>>97012689Mechanicum wants you to go all in on an apex detachment, but it also wants you to use your auxiliary detachments to take thallax and castellax. Castellax work as objective holders when they have a cybernetica magos attached, and thallax work as mobile problem causers when you arm a whole unit with phased plasma or multimeltas, and when they take meltabombs the whole squad gets them, so they threaten vehicles really hard in melee.My recommendation is to get 2 additional boxes of thallax so you can make units of 6 with the same weapon and then choose an apex detachment you like. Macrotek gives you unkillable super tanks, lacymetra gives you super ursarax and exploding thralls and myrmidax lets you spam mymidons, cybernetica gives you super robots but is kind of awkward.
>>97013188You are not dynamic enough
>>97012956I like the old design especially the shoulderpads. I just bought 3d print guns and magnetized the arm joints.
>>97012713You didn't watch the video, Macca likes the new kit.
>>97013127Never gonna happen, SoS got dropped hard ruleswise in 3.0 and will get no new models. Sorry anon.
>>97013230Impossible.
>>97013240>no new modelsCan't get new models when they never got models in the fist place.
>>97013120See >>97010689. A wall is a piece of terrain, not a feature. Thus this illustration >>97012544, is correct. The terrain feature blocks LoS. The base the piece would be on were it a picture from a 30k game, the open air, would ALSO block LoS at distances over 3" if it were a medium terrain feature.
>>97013230You cant fool me into watching one of his videos.
>>97013282>The base the piece would be on were it a picture from a 30k gameWouldnt be 3". Also, once again. If it is on a base/is area terrain then it is more than just a wall.
>>97013309You're missing the entire point. The wall is>a terrain piece And any terrain piece>Blocks LoSThat's it. Done, fin, end logic. What the base is or is not is irrelevant. >Wall = terrain piece = LoS blockingper the BRB under Line of Sight, regardless of windows or distance to.
>>97013354Yea, (medium) area terrain 3" deep blocks LoS, whats your point.
>>97013488Anon, I...
Holy shit, these arguments are so retarded, who cares what some faggot on the internet says, you snd your opponent should be hashing out what each terrain counts as and what gives what cover before the game starts so everyone's on the same page, LIKE HOW THE GAME'S WORKED FOR 20 YEARS
>>97013758People in here don't go outside the house, nor play the game anon. Their only interaction with this hobby is arguing about the rules online with other retards.
Anyone got a pastebin or something with all the Adeptus Titanicus scans in it?I need to download them books
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Are the Visons of Heresy books worth buying?
>>97013180Just magnetize the roof part and you won't even need magnets for the bit that holds the main gun
>>97013240""""""""""Allegedly"""""""""" they are getting a commander kit, a vehicle and a squad box of some kind.I haven't got a clue what squad or vehicle, but I'm guessing a replacement for their current squad with a handful of additional weapon options, and the Aquisitor, to replace the resin one. Aka, the barest fucking minimum because GW decided SoS are just Custodes pets now, and not their own thing.Liber is circa mid-2026.Source, a literal friend of a friend who works for GW at Nottingham. Yeah, I know how this sounds.
