Wolves of the Space editionPrevious Thread:>>96781974Check out here for useful links and a catalogue of relevant miniatures retailers:https://pastebin.com/nnNqqFLnThe Rogue Trader magazine article compilation:https://gofile.io/d/yNK9bq
>>97019361>I bet there's a degree of narcissism of young designers wanting to outdo the old ones by pushing more of their personality onto old sculpts that didn't need it,They're not getting to, the new sculpts and art are as dull as dishwater and young designers get minimal input because everything is micromanaged to all fuck by marketing and other petty management.It's why we're seeing so many absolutely lazy reused elements, poses and concepts just endlessly recycled despite the lack of technical and financial limitations of the old days that used to enforce such things (and then designers had to work around to make interesting).Now it's quick and easy to just do 'what works' again rather than try to make something good that might have character.
I need to get my arse in gear for next year's Oldhammer events
What's this? I was told there are no Lizardmen in 40k.
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>>97020310Well done!
>>97021321>those names
>>97021346Oh, wrong picture.
>>97021357If you're trying to get hold of them in the modern day there's a couple of recreation/on the same theme type ranges out there, Diehard miniatures are one that pops to mind (https://diehardminiatures.com/product-category/eru-kin/), because the originals are rare as hens teeth.Pretty sure at least a couple of the bods here though >>97020310 is from crooked dice's Colony 87 range (which are great stuff, and are highly recommend, though very much not 'heroic' in proportions, it's a ton of fantastic character pieces you can use to for giving yourself variety and scenario ideas, at the very least they make for more interesting objective markers).The originals were not the most popular of ranges, very much an afterthought, leftover bit of WHFB converting stuff, that'd also be dumped off quickly as 4th edition WHFB got rid of Slann and they didn't reemerge as the much better Lizardmen until 5th edition. Got a real fondness for those 5th edition lizards, someone else here had the idea of going "what if I gave one a gun?" and I kinda love it, that's some real oldest oldhammer mindset going on there of just fill out the gang with whatever plus spare guns.
does anyone have the 3rd Edition Rulebook pdf?
Were Dark Angels always injuns? I read a pretty neat comic about a Native American DA terminator slaying a genestealer cult on his homeworld.It was very Turok-like and I was very confused.
>>97023831GW forgot about that fluff some time after 2e. metal deathwing termies back then had feathers
>>97023831>comic wait they made a comic of the Deathwing short?
>>97023810No... though.... it's not so popular that you can't get a copy for £25 BIN on fleabay.
>>97025832£25? I think mine was about £4 last year lel
>>97021321>>97021346kek.im stuck on Lep'Nluni though, i'm not sure what the joke is there. as a brit of a certain age, the rest are silly (mostly british) puns:>Ribbet Ribbet = frog noise> pintamilkada = Pint 'o milk>Akabylk = reaaally obscure, Acker Bilk, clarinet player>Cupacocoa = cup 'o cocoa>Itzadodyl = its a doddle = easy.>Mylkbotyl = milk bottle>pek = brit spam clone>pinacolada = cocktail>Ethelalco'ol = ethel alcohol?>zipanzuma = zip and zoomer?>gotlogyr = another really obscure one, 'gottle of geer' which is what ventriloquists say when they try to say 'bottle of beer'so what the fuck is lep'nluni?
>>97024116There was a short one-shot back in the day, not sure where it was originally published (in B&W) but there was a colour reprint in the Warhammer Monthly magazine
>>97021346thats a real oldfag pic i remember seeing that on here back in like 2010. (i lost my harddrive that had all the old /tg/ images i saved on it) this is my first time back in years crazy seeing that.
>>97027088>Akabylk = reaaally obscure, Acker Bilk, clarinet playernot just Acapulco?>so what the fuck is lep'nluni?Leaping loony, just look at the mini.
>>97027235It surprises you that there are oldfags in the thread specifically for oldfags?
Wonder if this guy's gun was meant to be the Space Wolves' version of a Combi-Bolter (Bolter that can fire as a Storm Bolter once per-game)
>>97027139Oh neat, thanks anon.
>>97028710How odd, I never seen that pistol only the plasma version
>>97032050>>97028710GW did this a bit around that time, I remember Chaplain Cassius getting re-designed from a Combi-flamer to a Bolt Pistol at some point.
>>97023258If i would make new ones or kitbash them.
3rd month in on my local 3rd edition “rebirth”. Being the change you want to see and all that. I can say that it has been an absolute blast so far. Our playgroup is individuals I met during playing lots and lots of 10th ed but clearly weren’t enjoying it as much as we all thought. Over time we decided to try the older editions and have been addicted since. I think the biggest issue is expanding the playgroup out of the dedicated numbers I have now. I would really like to run a campaign but the overwhelming vast majority of the local “scene” are greytide jerseymensch. There is a certain level of playfulness, imagination and good spiritedness I’m seeing that these older versions absolutely demand out of the participants that I never once saw in 10th. It’s practically written in the book.Most of all I think the focus on gameplay is such a massive breath of fresh air. There is no resource management, wombo combo trap cards, needlessly complex detachment and datasheet rules. It’s mostly just, so far, positioning and core rules. Interested to hear if other anons feel the same
>>97028710I believe it's meant to be a Combi-Grenade Launcher, which GW quietly dropped from almost every army in late 4e to early 5e. Notable partly because one of the OG Sisters Superior, a Dark Angel Captain, and a few other important late 2e models in armies that didn't get many model updates were packing one. Usual fix was to run them as Storm Bolters, which suddenly became a lot more common in armories at the same time.
>>97034814>>97028710Derp, forgot the pic of the Sister with one
Making progress with my cityfighting board.
>>97035354Kino and looks good so far anon. The old commieblock style from cityfight/4e rulebook is comfy. How are you storing these? I’ve made the bunker but never anything taller because I don’t know the best way to play terrain tetris
>>97035454My friends own an old industrial warehouse, we decided that I would build the board and they would storage it. I usually play with them on the warehouse anyway.
>>97034823Oh wow. I didn't even know I had that model, thanks anon
>>97033676Map based narrative campaign time anon, glad your group is going well.
>>97020222Slann are in Rogue Trader, though they don't get much elaboration beyond what's present in that book or much if anything in the way of proper 40k miniatures from my recollection before they're dropped from the game in 2nd edition
>>97039208Wasnt Slann in it because they made fantasy and 40k side by side and fantasy but space?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OhcKaoxsk-E
>>97027088Got lager. Not obscure, you are over thinking it.
>>97040469It's not obscure, but it's blatantly a play on gottle o' geer.
My boy Ketil Trout has hit like 1400% of his goal on his Fimir Kickstarter
>>97033676You have absolutely nailed why that era is so beloved by those who try it anon. I came at it from the opposite direction having started in Ye Olde 1994 with fantasy and I spent my first few years loving the setting and having some fun, but really not vibing with the very "herohammer" mentality of the games. That era in the first half of the oughts where you had 6th WHFB, early 4th 40K(when most armies were still using 3rd codices), all the Specialist Games still around but supported through basically GW-published "fanzines" and mostly just left to their own devices, the first stirring of BL where their stuff was pulpy nonsense but still *good* pulpy nonsense, and stuff like Chapter Approved, Forge World, Citadel Journal etc etc providing extra content - that's peak Warhammer for me, the real just-right bowl of porridge.You should get your group to give the 4th SRD a try when the /tg/ project finishes, "4th core with codices up-to Tau otherwise 3rd ones and whatever supplementary stuff you can make work" is a great way to play 40K.
Ever see someone put a weapon on that unused hand?Always looked like he was supposed to carry a heavy weapon or a banner pole but I've only ever seen it used bare.
Me and my brother we decided to get back to warhammer but old editions, we started to know the game in 2000 but after getting older we decide to get rid of our collection(it wasnt big just the Battle for Macragge box and a mix of single characters) but kept the "simple games" like Blood bowl and bought years ago when it came out "Black stone fortress" and tried kill team with some proxy.Well after saying "FUCK WHY WE DID THAT!?", we decided to at least pick a "Theme" and play it.We decided to play "The war of armageddon", so now this christmas till next year we'll have to gather units, maybe I need some advice because we tought to gather these boxes because we found good prices on them and still sealed.>1st to get with the christmas bonus, Assault on Black reach box(to get the space marines and the orks kult of speed units)>2nd (maybe) Killteam Octarius, to get the first troops for the Steel legion(i'll paint the kriegs in steel legion) and the orks kommando/special characters and scenery>3rd (hard Maybe) Shadow War Armageddon for scenery special orks and scouts (but seems half a waste)>4th Start to get the heavies If we can from salvagin old miniatures that are put at low cost or recasted>5th Infantry and special units.>6th ElitesThis was our idea to get started on our campaign for armageddon.I'll play Orks and IG, while my Brother Space marine or orks(but he prefer marines).And of course we'll get a yarick and Ghazghkull
>>97049111>Always looked like he was supposed to carry a heavy weapon or a banner poleA bottle of booze would look better.
>>97051706A gottle o' geer?
>>97023831No, they first appear in the Rogue Trader where they are portrayed out of power armour and look pretty knightly in their robes. Then there's a White Dwarf that introduces space marine bikes, along with the Ravenwing. Deathwing get introduced in the Thunderhawk short story you're talking about, I think in part because of the animistic way the Deathwing are portrayed as venerating the machine spirit of their thunderhawk, it must have been easier for he author to conceptualize it like that. That or he just thought it was cool. Introducing a bunch of weird branches for space marine chapters wasn't so rare, the White Scars had the Souldrinkers as their veteran squad and I believe they were called Flying Cobras as a special jump pack squad with dual firearms.
>>97049111I've seen him (poorly) converted, in the past. It's a bit of an oddly positioned fist to be carrying a weapon, but a banner might just work...Have seen sone nice conversions involving the chainsaw arm off of one of the RT era Ork bike riders and one of the Ork Raiders who usually waves a pistol in the air though..
>>97053739Not sure when it was released, in comparison, but there was a "Deathwing" expansion for Space Hulk that may, possibly, also be to blame. Think they were in white on the cover.
I am desperately trying to find an exact replacement for my old and dying citadel bad moon yellow, which as far as I can find is the only true, pure yellow. I grabbed new ones to try today and only one of them is close, phalanx yellow, but its just worse, more dull. But at least it doesnt lean orange like both the vallejo paints do.Can anyone recommend a paint to try? I know color matching on a monitor is useless but I took a photo anyways.
>>97055380Have you, or anyone here, tried instar vintage? They claim to match older citadel paints but I have yet to see any recent mentions.
>>97055380>Can anyone recommend a paint to try?Do look at Coat d' Arms, they made the old Citadel line so it's the obvious starting point. IIRC they also made the old P3 paints (not sure if they still do or if the line even still exists), so if some FLGS still has them it's an option.
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>>97053910They reprint the Deathwing short story in its entirety in the Rules and Missions book. I think it's kind of a shame that the Injun stuff got left behind. It wasn't that the entirety of the Dark Angels were like that, just that there was enough autonomy in an individual marine to retain ways from their homeworld. 1st edition made the galaxy feel big.
>>97055380Two Thin Coats is pretty good... if you're in the US, Reaper Masterseries is ok.I've used Coat'd'arms before... they don't have as good coverage as (even the extremely ancient pots of) GW paints. Some of the really old GW paints have/had amazing coverage - so did the old 'Citadel Foundation' range... GW was semi-retarded for discontinuing the Foundation range.
>>97055480I picked up a couple of IV paints a while ago searching for a replacement for my beloved, black-top Ultramarines Blue. They have a very weird consistency, thick, kind of 'gummy', and the coverage wasn't great. I'm sure if you can get the hang of them they're probably all right, but I wouldn't recommend them when there's so many better ranges out thereI am curious to try Warcolours' new Nostalgia '98 paints though, they seem to have slipped under the radar compared to the previous 2 Nostalgia ranges
>>97057926Holy fuck, if that is a 1 to 1 of Citadel Dwarf Bronze I'll be so happy.
>>97056636>It wasn't that the entirety of the Dark Angels were like thatIt was, the Dark Angels were explicitly said to only recruit from the Plains People and that planet falling to the Genestealers would've spelled the end of the Dark Angels chapter.
>>97019890Yeah I'm keen to have 5k of painted 2nd ed eldar in time for next years sustained fire. Also finally tracked this fellow down.
So, what's do y'all think about printing oldhammer scans?I recently came upon a near-complete collection of 4e undead and chorf scans and I'm thinking of building an army.Upsides>Easier availability.>Allows for archival and preservation of otherwise rare sculpts.>Keeps food out of scalpers' mouths.>No need to wait for long shipping times and shifty slags that may or may not run away from your money.cons>All resin, less versatile than plastic and much lighter and cheaper feeling than metal>Scanning requires experience, equipment and access to original models>Scanners can be even more secretive than recasters>Nigs will sperg out at the table when they notice you're not playing with pure leadAny thoughts?
>>97062272>So, what's do y'all think about printing oldhammer scans?Most scans range from mediocre to bad in terms of details, so you're better off either getting recasts or printing oldhammer inspired minis.
>>97062272>Nigs will sperg out at the table when they notice you're not playing with pure leadIs that actually a thing? I knew there were some spazzoid subnormals who widdled their panties if you used Oldhammer-styled modern third party stuff, but my impression from seeing writups of BOYL and the like was that they were a tiny minority of irrelevant retards.
>>97062321>Most scans range from mediocre to bad in terms of detailsThis is only really true of the ones that are easy to find, which goes back to his point about being secretive. There are scanners out there who produce raw scans that look better than most ebay rescues would, and others who use less refined equipment but manually go in with Blender and tidy up the 3d files - the problem is finding the fuckers and their ridiculous pricing. Sadly the moralfags have a very firm grip on Oldhammer online so even the telegram group won't let you share stuff.
>>97062272If it gets you playing, it gets you playing. Pathological lead-hoarding and scalping is a fucking cancerous thing. There's a reason I taught myself to (re)cast, why I track down newer and interesting sculpts by the artists I like, and when I resell my original stuff I do my best to sell them at a reasonable price to local people who need something to play with. Plus, printed versions of the dime-a-dozen plastic shit are probably cleaner detail at this point than the originals. No way in Hell are a dozen beat-up Space Hulk stealers "worth" $70. That said scans are often a little jank, with "interpreted detail" (AKA I made it the fuck up because my master is dented or the scanner sucks), and some stuff just doesn't work the same in resin. Do modern plastics if they work. Or metals. Make sure you're buying what makes you happy, not what you think you "need" to have to play. And if someone has a problem with that they can go fuck themselves.
>>97062272>Nigs will sperg out at the table when they notice you're not playing with pure leadWeeding these people out should be considered a positive.
Fellas, do special weapons do supporting attacks? Concretely, do assault terminators use their hammers when making supporting attacks?
>>97062272>I recently came upon a near-complete collection of 4e undead and chorf scansPost them.
>>97062272The point of oldhammer is to experience some joy in our miserable lives through the medium of these games.Oldhammer isn't supposed to be about collecting a hoard of antiques, but getting some shit together to have fun with. The miniatures are a vector that helps set the mood, and also they have advantages in style being arguably more fun to build and paint than more modern GW miniatures. This is also why the OP contains a pastebin (though it's a bit dated, some of them are dead and ranges have moved around and expanded) with a fuckload of alternative miniatures providers.Get whatever miniatures you need, however you need them, convert them, recast them, whatever. Get them on the table and go make some fuckin pew pew noises whilst rolling dice already. You know it makes them shoot better when you make the noises.
>>97063461not in the 3rd
Got my rainbow warriors nearly done, I hate batch painting. Some of them aren't at a level I love but if I spent a day on each guy I'd never get done.
anyone ever played rogue trader or other similar "narrative-wargames" with a AI (analogue or digital) or mythic gm? I dont know anyone interested in playing the gm part for my boyfriend & I, and I think I'm able to maintain a level of detachment from my own troops to construct a fun narrative, but might like a truly unbiased construct to handle certain coin-tosses, narrative paths, etc
>>97060775really neat. what do you run him as? a mounted techmarine with a MG?>>97072580warhammer fantasy shields? nice painting either way.>>97072588kinda looks like corpse paint on some of these guys. the rough-metal look on the guns and all the rivets really makes em come off as gritty. cool models all around anon
>>97074696The scenario and campaign generation in 5core Skirmish Essentials seems decent, same guy who did Renegade Scout.
>>97074765shit i never even thought to combine those two
>>97074765There's a lot that could be looted from Ivan's works nicely for Rogue Trader outside of Renegade Scout; like all the solo-play stuff from the Five~something games. Five Parsecs From Home in particular would be solid to just loot wholesale for enemy behaviours and the like, hell you could probably plug the whole solo-campaign play onto Renegade Scout/Rogue Trader without too much effort given the overlap, just use the combat system for RS instead (though the main thing is Five Parsec's combat is streamlined to make it easier on the brain for solo play, still, would also be handy for co-op missions/inserting pseudo-GM'd gameplay elements into scenarios through all the events and 3rd party combatants and NPC type things).
>>97019770Is there a full set of scans of these available somewhere? The guy on google is missing a piece, specifically the rightmost one.
Are there any 1st edition materials that go in depth on the Ecclesiarchy other than the blurb in the core book?
>>97080417aHR0cHM6Ly9tZWdhLm56L2ZvbGRlci9DVGdHaFRBRCNJTzZ6bGYwd2ptQTkzUEI5WkZ1aFFBThere you go, it's in usual spider proof format. Should be the first two files.I printed mine at library since they had pretty good printer there, then glued them onto those foamboards that has paper on both sides, applied modgepodge and matt varnish after painting them. In hindsight I shoudl've based them since they are so light that they keep constantly tipping over and moving around.
>>97081844Thanks a bunch.
Those peeps running RT, what model count per side do you find it runs best at?
>>97078726iirc the original 1st ed 5 Parsecs campaign was a lot more table involved and diy but had a lot more material than the more streamlined 2nd and 3rd editions. Its been a bit since I looked at them.
Is Space Crusade /grog/ too?
>>97093265On boardgeek you can find the boards. Is it possible to print them by yourself than use oldhammer figures you got.
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>>97033676Eh, I don't agree with that.GROG books are defnitely written by hobbyists for hobbyists with their nice little addons about terrain building, dioramas etc. I still flick through that beautiful, beautiful 4th ed rulebook. But the rules itself had their fair share of bullshit and the game had its fair share of retarded powergamers, but the latter are all neatly contained in 10th now, so the rules issues hurt much less today than they three decades ago.
>>97021157>>97020222Reminder that these guys were never squatted GW just stopped talking about them. I'd be interested to see them show up again in modern 40k, space frogs with ray guns would be fun to see run around
>>97093265To me it all started with Space Crusade, four year old me never got his innocence back after getting ripped to shreds by surprise genestealer for a first time, burning this image to mind forever. Our gaming group still plays it sometimes, it is my favorite game ever, I used some marines from it for my BA army
Are there any STLs that do old school style GSC miniatures?
>>97094114They could do an event woth that. Acter the Necron rose from their sleep, the old ones come back.
>>97095859You were four year olds? Isnt that rather young?
There are some fan made additional factions.
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>>97096890Who are Angry Marines? Chaos?
>>97096897Battle Sisters.
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>>97096897A relic from a civilized age.>ChaosOh they are loyal alright.
>>97096897>Who are Angry Marines?Fuck. Is this what getting old feels like?
>>97097049Nah, no way that wasn't bait.
>>97096365I saw the box on my dads shelf and was instantly enamored. He played a game with me, jumpscaring me with Destructor standing right behind the door and wrecked me with surprise genestealer while running away. I played a game with my four year old and with some handholding he played quite decently, even managing to damage the Destructor
>>97094008>>97094003What would be the best size and type of paper to get these printed out on to?If anybody who knows about printing stuff tell me please I'd love to have those classic paper boards again and glue them on to sections of chipboard or something
>>97098769Squares should fit regular round 25mm base, If you can find printing service that can print A2 size papers, might wanna try that. I doubt they fit on A3 and definetly not on A4
>>97023810Scribd has the whole book, but you have to make an account :/
>>97099099Just use scribt downloaders
>>97096966Ok, didnt knew that. Somehow it sounded like Noise Marines and i thought they are Chaos too.>>97097049>>97097076Sorry, i dont know every meme or joke.
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>>97099099I hate scribd such an ad infested aids hell hole
>>97100163>Sorry, i dont know every meme or joke.You should be! There's a great bit where some space marines are trying to figure out if the incoming forces are on their side or not based on their names. >Iron Warriors doesn't sound too bad >Yeah, they're traitors >What about the Emperor's Children? >about that... >Well the Flesh Tearers are right out then>Funny thing sir...
>>97101004Lol. Thats funny, indeed.
>>97102768Found some more tiles for Space Crusade.
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>>97101004I remember that one lelRemember the one about the Black and White Space Marine on the Black and White Bike?
>>97096897Kinda weird that they use missle or granade launcher in such a confined space.
>>97105560So a Powersword and Power Glove means i get 4 dices? Or do i have choose which dices i take?
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>>97095913Not sure about STLs, but Checkpoint has a Patriarch mini and a feral hiding in the Night Terrors range https://www.checkpointminiatures.co.uk/shop/ntd20-daemon-of-zagdramelek/https://www.checkpointminiatures.co.uk/shop/ntm22-gene-ripper-hybrid/
>>97062272Those 4e chorf scans that are floating around are very, very poor quality.
>>97103209No, and I'm still trying to find the actual text of the chapter name debate. What was the bike bit?
>>97106500So not every meme is secured but can be lost!
>>97027088> pintamilkada = Pint 'o milkmore specifically it's "pinta milka day" from a 70's britbong milk marketing campaign - incidentally the later "Gotta Lotta Bottle" campaign is the source of the 5E Saurus hero Lotl Botl - why the association between Lustria and milk marketing jingles is anyone's guess.>>97027272>AkabylkNah it's definitely Acker Bilk - note the blowpipe.
>>97111051There was a lottabottol in blood bowl, too.
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>>97098769I think the best would be normal photo printing paper, than glue it on boardgame like paper.The size i could find says 24x27 cm. So it should fit on a A3. But you need to set boders on 0,5 cm or a borderless print.
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Where are all of these Space Crusade stat sheets coming from?
>>97117241The official ones are scanned and collected on BoardgameGeek. Others are fanmade and collected pn pinterest.
Kinda weird that Space Crusade uses a mixture of enemy factions.
>>97119602They are all kinds of occupants you could encounter inside space hulks, I don't think they're actual allies before space marines show up
>>97117841Thanks dude.
>>97111051good spots old bean, I didnt know the 70s milk one, the only ones I remember are the aforementioned 'lotta bottle' one and the 'nice cold ice cold milk' one that was also in the Aha Take On Me video.
>>97095913Bignoss Redskullz on mmf has a full multipart oldhammer-ish gsc kit for free, I really like it.He's also sculpted a WHFB4th/40k2nd edition inspired Slaanesh and Tzeench Daemon range that doesn't look to out of place next to the originals.Other than that, there's some scans floating around on t-gram, but I don't know much about that.
>>97096897>Back in the 00's there were angry marines>Back in the 10's there was If the Emperor had a TTS device >Nowadays, there is Space KingPretty much the same tired old shit.>>97098769You'll need to look for the original board measurements, but when it comes to paper, go to a photo printing centre; they'll have large format printers with crisp, vibrant results. Matte finish always looks good, but gloss or semi-gloss always gives off that 90's boardgame finish.For additional ease, you can print it on adhesive paper to glue onto your surface of choice or get it printed directly onto foam board, though at a premium rate.>>97119602It makes sense when you consider it's supposed to be a vertical slice of the 40k universe for a different target audience. Battle Masters was very similar in this regard, with the chaos army including orcs, goblins, ogres, beastmen and chaos warriors. Simplified gameplay and fluff is the name of the game here.
>>97119687But Chaos and Necron at the same time? Thats more like a coincident.
>>97122872You mean like an overview of WH40k. Makes sense.
>>97124237You are mistaken anon, there are no Necrons in Space Crusade, those are Chaos Androids ;)
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>>97124353Very nice lad
>>97119602>Kinda weird that Space Crusade uses a mixture of enemy factions.It makes perfect sense in the context of the mid RT era. They were all Chaos baddies. Nids and orks had chaos worshippers and necrons did not exist yet, they were "chaos androids", i.e: corrupted machines. They even appeared in the early Epic editions
>>97125633Ooh would you look at that. Didn't know chaos androids even appeared outside space crusade, thanks
>>97124237Necrons weren't a thing until 8 years after space crusade, both are different takes on the Terminator robots and completely unrelated.>>97125633Chaos and genestealer orks were a thing too, GW didn't really start walling factions from each other until the middle of second edition.
>>97125633That makes sense that they evolved into Necrons. And everyone that were evil were one chaos faction.Where the Eldar considered Imperium?>>97126352They really were proto forming the concept of 40k.
>>97073711Fine work mate
>>97126515Necrons were "evil" until 5th ed but not part of Chaos. There is no law/order/destruction superfactions in 40k and never have been.It's just that Chaos can corrupt and control members of almost all 40k races, and a space hulk like the one in Space Crusade was a good set up for having a bunch of varied infected baddies under the antagonist player.
Are there any repositories for the rules to play 4th/5th edition Warhammer fantasy? I cant seem to find them.
>>97126515>Where the Eldar considered Imperium?Fuck no. But weapons were not as faction specific. Space marines could use shuriken catapults, orks had bolters.
Middle hammer questions allowed?I'm noticing in both 3e and 4e marine dexes, Devastators simply take the heavy weapon, it does not say they replace their bolter. I have never ever seen a studio Devastator from the era modeled with a bolter, and it breaks the usual "no taking two two-handed weapons" rule. Is this an oversight everyone just always played as intended? It's pretty relevant to get those extra rapid fire shots sometimes if they do have bolters.
How paranoid should I be about lead poisoning when it comes to old citadel models? I use a breath mask when I file the metal in my garage or outside and I wash my hands after. Is just touching the model dangerous?I've been handling metal models for years with varying degrees of care and safety and just started thinking they might be the reason why I'm retarded.
>>97128864No idea about the official stance on that, don't remember it ever coming up. Everyone I knew always just played the Devastators as having their heavy weapon and didn't try to be weird like that. >2 rapid fire bolter shots vs >1 lascannon >1 heavy melta >pretty relevant Is the 1.3 more bolter hits going to make that much difference when you're getting swarmed? Or did you take an all lascannon squad or something retarded?
>>97129293Anon you'll be fine. If you're really worried gloves would be an easy piece of PPE to use and likely good to have in the garage anyway.
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>>97127015I meant evil as behaviour not as faction.Chaos acts more like an evil sorcerer or GM. Maybe it is Tzentch that plays his shemes?
>>97128680Space Marines and Eldars can team-up, so considering them Imperium would work.
>>97129293Metallic lead has very low bioavailability. Unless it's being shot at you it's not all that dangerous. Basic safety precautions are fine.
>>97129293>I use a breath mask when I file the metal in my garage or outside and I wash my hands after.Conglaturations, you already have all the protection you need.>Is just touching the model dangerous?Just wash your hands after handling it before you eat or such and you'll be fine.
>>97130277There's a good eldrad bit in the old Epic Space Marine Horus Heresy (and maybe Renegades) stuff. >Make no mistake human, we do not fight for your emperor, we fight against Horus. They're distinctly not imperial. There's less clear lines of what some factions get up to in a way like that half eldar librarian but nothing clear cut like >consider them imperium Capricious allies of convenience at best.
>>97128201I had to have gotten mine from somewhere, I'll see if I can find it again.
Would this be the place for Warmaster?
>>97131148Than Eldar were always their own “kingdoms“ and no planet were they have cities were ever Imperial Planets. I could see that some Eldars could have landed or settled on Imperial planets. But i guess Eldars are mostly on their craftworlds aka their own “kingdoms“.
>>97136048Good question. I guess the Special Games thread >>97108804 fits but it would fit here too.
>>97138445Sauce for the pic? Warmaster conversions are pretty rare and I'd like to see more.
>>97138636The pic is from the German site chaosbunker.de/de/2023/05/26/warmaster-grossschlachten-in-der-alten-welt/But the origin? A UK White Dwarf magazin?
>>97138636>>97138935I went searching, it's from White Dwarf 295, starting p58 (segment titled Thinking Big), although there's Warmaster content for Storm of Chaos starting 294 onward up to 297
>>97140103Thanks a bunch, anon.
>>97137384Exodites had crossover with imperial worlds, their knights jousted over dinosaurs. We never got models for it though. Craftworld eldar are fairly distanced from the imperium at large.
>>97126352>Chaos and genestealer orks were a thing too, GW didn't really start walling factions from each other until the middle of second edition.and even then Chaos corrupted Genestealers and Orks and Genestealer corrupted Orks are both things that still exist in 40k, they just rarely ever appear or get mentioned since they don't make models for themprobably never happen but it would be interesting to see Chaos Androids get brought back, if mostly to see how GW can differentiate them from either Necrons or Traitor Mechanicus aesthetically
>>97140864>Craftworld eldar are fairly distanced from the imperium at large.Thats what i meant. They hide them from others like in fantasy Elves or Eldars hide in their own realm divided from the human world.But i dont know much from their colonies or planet civilisations lore besides that they exist and are seperated from the craftworld. Kinda more like cousins connected by the webway.
>>97142035All those corruption, auxilary and slaves are things reserved for conversion.You dont need models for that, just greenstuff. Or a weapon sprue.
I'm pricing out lists for 3rd-4th edition, and from the looks of it Mechanized Guard Platoons are too expensive to run? Like, a minimum sized Platoon of 1 Command and 2 Infantry Squads with a Chimera each, with no upgrades or wargear, is fucking 400 points. I guess the firepower of the Chimera in each squad is more than enough? No matter the list, Codex Armageddon's Steel Legion, 3.5 codex's Mechanized Regimental Doctrine, all seems to point to "you only have one Platoon, make it count, asshole!"Any suggestions for making a Steel Legion force? I feel like with the four Chimeras(3 for the Platoon, 1 for the HQ) I'd be swimming in anti-marine equivalent firepower.
>>97128201/wfg/ has them.
>>97143080500 points for 3 chimeras, Csquad with a medic+ 20 guardsmen with heavy weapons sound fair to me desu. Add 2nd platoon, company command and Leman russ and you have yourself a working army. One thing it might struggle against is another armoured list since you dont have heavy AT on those APCs
>>97145755Yeah, I think I'm just a slut for upgrades is my problem. I keep thinking of how fragile vehicles are in recent editions, and how woefully mediocre the multilas is in current edition. A chimera with multilas, or even autocannon if using imperial armour rules is probably a lot more scary than I remember, especially en masse.Would you recommend any assault weapons? My plan was just making missile launcher models and proxying them as autocannons("it's like the recoilless from Helldivers") and Lascannons("it's like the Quasar from Helldivers") when need be, and have them shoot it out of the Chimera hatch.
>>97146213Lascannons are inherently a bad option on guardsmen imo, since they are incredibly fragile and not very accurate (bs3) so they probably wont use the weapon well. Veterans maybe? Thought that leaves the problem of toughness still, and i dont think you can use a heavy weapon from a vechicles hatch. Multilas is a meh, but the last time i was playing i went into marines so i doubt bolter would do any better. Maybe you could spam Hunter killers to somewhat mitigate the AT problem?
Could use a hand, anons; in Realm of Chaos: Slaves to Darkness, it says that Chaos Renegades generate their equipment using the appropriate charts from Warhammer 40,000 - I'm having troubles finding a PDF of the matching edition's version of the 40K corebook, so can anyone tell me what a Traitor Adeptus Custodes can have for their gear? Or where the Adeptus Custodes appears in the corresponding 40K corebook?
True or false question, 40k loreanons:>The Lost and the Damned is a catch-all term for any predominantly human polity that actively fights against the Imperium. This includes secessionist uprisings, slave rebellions, previously uncontacted human civilizations resisting being assimilated into the Imperium, and even particularly large pirate fleets as well as xenos-subverted (Gue'vesa, Genestealer Cults, Enslaver thralls, etc) and Chaos worshippers....Uh, to try and TLDR:>Are the Lost and the Damned just the non-Marine, non-Daemon followers of Chaos?>Or does it mean any human, abhuman or mutant force that fights against the Imperium for whatever reason?
>>97146836The book you are looking for is the original Warhammer 40.000 Rouge Trader rulebook. If no anon respons in next 2-3 hours and try to make some decent quality pictures from my copy for you
>>97146415>somewhat mitigate the AT problem by buying one-shot krak missiles or >meltaguns in the squads chose meltaguns.
>>97146870It's just chaos worshippers, otherwise they're not damned. They can be saved otherwise. Even pirates might well worship the Emperor still. Or renegades and rebellions.
>>97143080You're decrying the literal point of the variant. The whole point of going Mech is to have fewer Guardsmen to paint - HQ, mech platoon, AF squad, you can meet your FoC requirements for well under 1k points and the rest of your list can be all the tanks you want, or you can grab a second mech platoon instead of the AF squad they're pretty good actually.In addition to every Chimera bringing two heavy weapons and a pintle, plus hunter killers if you want, remember you can also risk being Open Topped for a turn and shoot your embarked squad special weapon out the top hatch. Chimeras can do "taxi-flanking" where you rush up and disgorge all your units onto midfield objectives then peel off and harass the enemy's flanks, you can use them as mobile cover if the physical terrain around an objective is skanty in some way, heck you can just leave the squad inside and use them as a mobile bunker. Mech guard are great.
>>97146870I never considered it to be an in-universe term.
https://bogwyrm.com/cool little American company I just found
>>97142035Chaos Androids were made by Chaos Squats just like daemon engines, so modern Chaos Androids would be Dark Mechanicus related.
>>97151675>>97142035In HH 1.0, 2.0 and legion imperialis there are some options for something similar. 1.0 has some combinations of upgrades for tech thralls which can easily be used to proxy for them and word bearers can straight up get possessed castellax as a legion specific upgrade for their robot leading consul. 2.0 has an arcana that makes robots possessed. Legions imperialis has that too but more nicely implemented than 2.0 I think as one of the formation bonuses. Not sure about 3.0. So far none of the automata are man sized however. For now.
>>97151675Chaos Squats? I thought they were still called Chaos Dwarfs?
I think GoldfishBlue sold me a recast, how do I go proving it? My suspicion arose when I received it and compared it to other models from same range which I know for sure are originals. Model I think is recast is visibly different metal, is lighter, models seems slightly smaller and thinner than others. Anyone else had to deal with the guy? I know him only by his reputation from here.
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>>97157652>bought from G*ldfishBlueOh brother whyyyyyy. You should not support that guy at all he's a wankPost some pics, but to be honest you basically can't definitely prove something is a recast or not. GW used various metal mixes in the 80s, and a lot of the slotta 80s sculpts were still available via the catalogue in the lead-free pewter era.There can be signs, but even double mould lines can be GW
>>97147557Meltas are quite dogshit on guard though unless you are using stormtroopers or doing drive-bys with chimeras... in which case you want vets not guardsmen since 4+ on one go that costs 140ish points sounds a bit shit.
>>97157673Yeah, I know, I really should have not but he was only one selling this missing model from my collection. One I bought from him is the bottom right corner one, I don't have proper camera so this is best I could take. I also noticed lead rot on armpit of the model left of him, might wanna take care of that.
>>97157849Here's a group pic of everyone together, I really like these Jes Goodwin scuplts, such a nice models.
>>97157907Amazing
>>97157580They's always been called Chaos Squats.
>>97160212I think you are right and i think of the fantasy Chaos Dwarfs.
>>97128864It’s explicit in the 3rd ed rulebook that devs get their bolters taken away unless specifically bringing just the bolter. I don’t know where probably in the QnA in the back
>>97146836The Files you need are all save the first one in this link Anon, happy gaming! https://gofile.io/d/yNK9bq
>>97128864In 3e you lose all weapons you started with when you buy an upgraded weapon (see pg 167 "choosing an army"). Note that this page is cut out of one of the most common scans of the 3e rules because it's part of the "black book" army rules section. Later on they clarify that replacing a pistol or CCW on a model with a similar weapon only replaces that one weapon.
Goff plastic ork converted to a bad moon
>>97124282>Chaos Androids
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>>97019770Merry Christmas Frens! Hope one of you enjoys!
>>97169928>being a Warhammer+ subscriber
>>97142035I always thought bringing back Chaos Androids as Perturabo’s servants on his chaos homeworld would be dope. After the Heresy he just fucks off and creates his “perfect” society but it’s all just empty creatures living inside a soulless city. The marble statue aesthetic is overdone but having pieces of beauty placed over a horrifying mechanical body would be kino
>>97172027You could make them chaos corrupted Mechanicus.
>>97172224I agree, I just feel like perturabo doesn’t really have a niche. He doesn’t even really like the Chaos Gods so him teaming up with Dark Mech feels in characterAdmittedly though I’m not too sure what he’s up to now. Once he kept jobbing in HH I just stopped caring over time but I liked the character a lot
>>97172246Dark Mechanicus should be enough.
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>>97177479>>97177485Looks kinda creepy, like fetishizing the shitty minis everybody wanted to get rid of at the time as collector's items.
>>97177493Thats from a time when they standarized the pose and created an army uniform look.Why did they do that, was it because they wanted it to be more like real games? Was it cheaper because less construction costs by using one pose? Was it to make the metal minis more worth than the plastic ones?
>>97179187Cheaper. To have four different one on the sprue in your picture they'd first have to pay the sculptor to make three more sculpts, and then the sprue engineer would have to spend company time making three new sub-sprue layouts.
>>97179230Kinda lame since they could have made a one figure sprue but did a four same figure sprue instead.
>>97179611>but did a four same figure sprue instead.Look closer at it and you'll notice that it can very easily be split into four single miniature sprues. But putting four of those together like this means you can now make four of them at once.
>>97023831Yes, some of them. One of the worlds the DA recruited from was basically a Pre Columbus North American culture with tribes constantly fighting each other in the hope of being noticed and recruited by the 'Gods beyond the Stars' on their rare visits. The Deathwing story was about a bunch of DA veterans (who originally came from this world centuries ago) being sent to recruit another bunch of tribe's champions to turn into marines. When they arrived they found all the tribes had been enslaved by genestealers that had crashed here a few deacades ago. It was all the background of a Spacehulk campaign. The book >>97024116 posted has the entire story as well as some good art in it: the five Deathwing Terminators sat round a campfire having a pow-wow about if they shoild attack the Genestealer city or not, various pictures of them with their helmets off showing american Indian features and tribal signs painted on their terminator armour, with the final one showing the only DA survivor of the succesful attack sat in a teepee, wearing native skins, smoking a pipe, with his Terminator armour on a rack behind him. It's when GW used to put some thought into the stories.It didnt mean the DAs were all this culture though, the DA HQ was a giant moving asteroid called The Rock, so it would be possible that they recruited from many different worlds each with a different culture.
>>97039969At first, yes. There where published wargames for FB involving vikings attacking aztec temples, with the priests defending their holy site using Bolt Pistols and Frag Grenades. 1st ed of both encouraged you to use figures from both games in each other for fun encounters. I played a few mixed games myself in the day - best one was when my Crimson Fists assaulting a fortress to take out a 'psyker', who was actually a WHFB necromancer. We had to houserule a few things as we played, but found that flamers and frag grenades rule against blocks of spearmen, lascannons are great at bringing down castle walls. Wanst all easy for the Marines though, I found that Rust spells kill dreadnoughts and chainsaws are no good against spectral undead (Thank the Emperor I had a Librarian with a Force Rod). Good times.
>>97049111I saw him modelled giving a 'thumbs up' signal.
>>97179803I remember the story being explicit that it was their only recruitment world and the chapter was doomed if they didn't save it.
>>97179642I just think that this is weird, since you do triple installing the same mold. Thats kinda expensive in my eyes. But you got a point that this means less time to produce.
>>97179803>>97180114In the Bill King story all DA are native american themed and Plainsworld was their sole recruitment planet for 10,000 years (the implication being since the chapter's founding). This is all Bill King OC, Rick Priestly's original pitch for the Dark Angels in the Rogue Trader rulebook is of a monastic knight order, and when they revisited the Dark Angels at the tail end of Rogue Trader (after Bill had left the studio) they reverted to the original background for them and Plainsworld became just one of many recruitment planets.Personally I find the knightly DA with deep dark secrets boring as shit and all myguys are from Plainsworld.
