Welcome to the Old School Renaissance General, the thread dedicated to TSR-era D&D, derived systems, and compatible content. Broadly, OSR games encourage a tonal and mechanical fidelity to early Dungeons & Dragons - less emphasis on linear adventures and overarching meta-plots and a greater emphasis on player agency. If you are new to the OSR, welcome! Ask us whatever you're curious about. Any OSR games and related topics, including OD&D, AD&D 1e/2e, B/X, NuSR, etc. are welcome here! >Troves, Resources, Blogs, etc:https://pastebin.com/q8VUJt7X >Need a starter dungeon? Here's a curated collection:https://archive.4plebs.org/tg/thread/94994969/#95006768 >Previous thread:>>97012730>Thread Question:Kobolds or Goblins?
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>>97024968>TQKobolds only if dog kobolds.
>>97024938>TQGoblins. You can never kill enough goblins.
>>97025032Historically they are liked.>>97024938>TQBoth have their own uses but I tend to favor goblins as enemies. Just got that classic oomph to them. Though if Goblins are PC races Kobolds make for simple enough replacements.
>>97025261I have been thinking about having a small mountain region in my game have a Kobold infestation. They've moved into abandoned dwarven fortresses and towns. They figured out how the dwarven stills works and are making vast amounts of alcohol to hire hill giants and ogres to boost their defenses. Drop some hooks for PC's as nearby lords would love to nip this problem in the bud.
>>97025294Ive wanted to do a "Troll War" campaign personally for a while.TLDR a troll infestation gets out of hand and the PCs have to help push back infestations of them. possibly throw in some unique trolls (like multiple headed ones) for variety.
>>97025304That sounds pretty fun. I don't think I've ever included a troll in a game. Feels like I should at some point.
>>97025323My current projects elevator pitch is>Vietnam War with Forest GoblinsPic related is a draft of the hexmap so far.The Rough intended play is going to be a pseudo sandbox/hexcrawl mixed with dungeon crawls and picking missions/some randomly generated objectives. Hoping to simulate the feel of an actual war.
>>97025396That sounds pretty cool. Will the goblins have other monsters to help them out or can PC's do faction play with them? Like Goblins and PC's both trying to woo Lizardmen to their side to make an upcoming battle go easier.
>>97025406That genuinely wasnt something i considered but im writing that down. thanks anonThe focus was very much to be entirely around killing goblins and really leaning into the Vietnam war theme. Been researching historical stuff, reading up on historical accounts and tactics to draw inspiration. I want the module im writing to teach DMs how to run that combat as war approach, show them what tactics the Goblins will use, and how they can apply them.Also the dungeon crawls into Goblin lairs are going to be inspired by the VC tunnels. Also going to throw in some abandoned jungle temples for funsies.
>>97025421Goblin war tunnels are interesting. It could help if they occasionally have some magic stuff to aid in it's defense. Like rot grubs in a spike pit, spells that trigger alarms, even tunnels that dead end over a pit with an ooze or slime they use to dispose of waste and intruders. The idea has a lot to it.
>>97025465Oh definitely.One of the fun ideas ive had so far after reading books was adapting Operation Wandering Soul as a spell>Wandering Souls3rd Level Magic User SpellDuration: 2d6 turnsRange: 1 Mile (Follows the caster)>Fills the area with spectral moans, illusionary Ghosts, and false signs of haunting. Humanoids/Demihumans within the area are forced to take a morale check every turn or flee.>DM secret informationHas a 1 in 6 chance if cast at night to summon 2d4 Spectres after the spell duration ends. The sounds continue, but are clearly not originating from the spell.
>>97025523Hell yeah.
>>97025523What system do you plan to run the system in? Any restrictions on race/class for your players?
>>97024938I don't want to stir shit but I do think that 1st edition D&D is partly responsible for the current state of fantasy and science fiction where self-inserts and power fantasies are realised for everyday people. Where would we have a precedent for the Star Wars' Rae (the Mary Sue) without the fact that women (or just anyone) could play a game of D&D and make a female warrior queen that goes to legendary levels of XP from the lowest rungs of society (Level 1 Fighter with medium armour and a shitty sword)?
>>97025748You do realize that "women playing the fantasy game" is a good thing, right? Ray was made by the soulless corpo shits that would sell their own mum if it made end of year profit tick slightly up.
>>97025755I'm absolutely for women and minorities playing the games they want. I am saying that the mass of people weren't FULLY REALISED as the subject, in fantasy and science fiction, before D&D 1e (or just the 70s). And D&D was the perfect game to allow for self-inserts and power fantasies. You might have writers in the pulps and weird fiction who were minorities or women, but they still wrote stories that weren't Mary Sue and Ray tier. But the female writers of fantasy that I like (such as CL Moore) wrote women who were flawed or vulnerable or even bad. I don't like this idea that characters (even in D&D) have to be squeaky clean Mary Sues.
>>97025781It's still reaching. We can't control who gets their first exposure to this kind of fantasy through 1e.There is nonzero chance that some brainlet whose ideas led to creating slop like modern Star Wars was, at some point, inspired by people who played 1e. But it's inevitable. RPG as a hobby was far more open to minorities, women and such than a lot of spaces back in the 70s and 80s. That being said, I think it's more about the kind of person. I've been playing for a while now, over many systems. And Mary Sue shit seems relegated to either kids or just kind of crappy people. The kind of brainlets that idolize Homelander, think Ray is some sort of improvement over Luke or think that Patrick Bateman is worth emulating.
>>97025659Just gonna do BX. BX is my go to for short term campaigns/oneshots, and i use Rules Cyclopedia for longer term campaigns (plus a few houserules aka rebuffing thiefskills.)>>97025781Thats a fair point, mary sue behavior is always bad. Ive actually got a new black friend of mine who wants to get into D&D, so im gonna likely run some BX or C&C for him and his other friends soon.
>>97025801I guess it is a stretch but I wonder what makes people lose the dimensions of a character in the contemporary scene of fiction and movies. Take pic related. If you roleplayed her, she still has flaws and mistakes and suffers deadly consequences for it. But the world doesn't want to have a Hollywood movie of Boudica because the reality of her life is too grim and she wasn't a perfect, mythical warrior queen that people yearn for.Maybe I'm just obsessing over the design of D&D's XP / class system. I guess all characters are supposed to be plebs when they start and have to grind to get where they are. It's just there's no real flaws (rule-wise) like they have in GURPS. So a character can be played as a flawless one if you don't add flavour to the RAW rules.Then again, you aren't born perfect in D&D. You have to slowly climb to the top and can die very easily doing so. And maybe it wouldn't have its appeal if you made it a slogfest where you have disadvantages on every roll because your character is mentally ill, or struggles with PTSD, or contracts measles.
>>97025826I don't even think it's about being grim. There are plenty of needlessly grim characters and even settings in Hollywood. I think it's the slop effect. Smooth edges, simplified archetypes go down well and generate revenue. From my observations a decent player is going to give some flaws to their character voluntarily. Role-playing a dumb barbarian is fun. Or cranky wizard. One of the upsides of OSR style play is that when things are not hardcoded into the system people are more willing to have fun with them.
I am pacing myself one level/sublevel a day, and it a surprisingly easy pace for making a dungeon.
>>97026106Gambare, anon.
>>97026106What's different about >corridor b from all the >corridor a?
>>97026236a = simple pit trapb = pit trap with spikes or such (depends on level)
>>97024938Fake thread made by a retard. Mods, please ban this troll already.
>>97024938Kobolds kind of suck.Goblins are not that great either, but kobolds are basically worse goblins.McGoblins at home.
>>97026537Kobolds are discounted goblins in chainmail. Like many things in DnD, stuff stuck around out of tradition.
>>97024938Both, variety over time is important. Having two or more factions of short violent idiots at war with each other for players to engage with is a feature not a bug. Probably don't need 10 though. Fucking Xvarts.
>>97026638Xvarts are just about as lame a design as a monster can be.Later editions bringing them back is also pretty tasteless. "Hey guys, remember XVARTS?!"
>>97024938>TQI like both but Id say Kobolds. I find their focus on using traps to make up for their weakness a really nice touch. I run then as LE ans very organized. They will happily die for their tribe. Basically an army of brainwashed fanatically loyal soldier. My goblin are more chaotic and erratic in their behavior.
>>97026106Yeah, one room a day is pretty eas->one level a dayYou gotta give your rooms more love.
>OSE is overpriced for the actual books and has stupid rules like the carrying capacity rules being oversimplified>ACKS is 3.x style shit and the domain rules are mid, only good chance is fighters getting +1/2 level to damage, but that really should be +1/3rd if you ask me>LotFP is a meme at this point. >Shadowdark is overrated slop>Cairn isn't even real osr >Mork Borg is cancerIs there still space for a one true OSR mega system that is basically BX but has ruels for rune magic, alchemy, foraging herbs, random setting events generation, trade, mass combat, etc, without being overly autistic like ACKS, or super handwavy like most other systems? Yes it will have FOE shit but it will be based around the core of 3d6 straight down and race as class. No extra freakshit classes. No dumbass oversimplified rules. No gigantic 50 dollar gold leaf rulebook Kickstarter bullshit.
>>97024938>>Thread Question:>Kobolds or Goblins?For what? Just kidding, kobolds only hang around dragons, goblins are pollution everywhere.
>>97027866>kobolds only hang around dragons2etard/wotcfag detected
>>97026733Not as lame as the Nilbog.The Fiend Folio is full of duds. I'm pretty sure the Nilbog is just a shitpost.
>>97028143>the very last thing the stuck up elf would ever do is have any sort of romantic inclination towards a lowly goblin>she immediately jumps on the cock of the first nilbog she sees, no save
>>97028143>I'm pretty sure the Nilbog is just a shitpost.I always assumed it was an in-the-moment asspull by a DM to punish his players who weren't locked into the game in some way.
>>97027954>>kobolds only hang around dragons>2etard/wotcfag detectedClose, but no. >t. 1e homebrewer
>>97027954>>97028459Ignoring that 2e is OSR there probably something in Dragon Magazine back in 1e that has kobolds hanging around dragons.
>>97028459>2etard/wotcfag-style homebrewerA distinction without a difference.
>>97028508The problem with 2e is not whether or not you classify it as OSR, it's that it's absolute dogshit. The worst D&D edition of all. It basically combines the worst part of AD&D 1e and WotC D&D.
>>97028510You and a potato is a distinction without a difference.
>>97028533>It basically combines the worst part of AD&D 1e and WotC D&D.*worst partSsorry for the typo
>>97028543Sure, okay. Whatever makes you happy.
>>97028533>it's that it's absolute dogshitMaybe if you replace 2e with your posts.
>>97028263It sounds like someone read a Bizarro comic and thought making a D&D monster out of it would be funny.Which is why I think snorting nilbog dust may be the ultimate panacea.One extremely lesser known ability of Bizarro's is that inhaling part of him can cure blindness. Inhaling the resulting dust after Bizarro was destroyed in an explosion cured Lois Lane's sister of being blind, which is a clear reference to the first Bizarro comic (which was heavily inspired by Frankenstein), where Bizarro befriended a blind girl, and after Bizarro later exploded, the resulting light inexplicably cured the blind girl.Bizarro works on Bizarro World Logic, where Up is Down and Hello is Goodbye, so it does make some sense that if a person previously defined by an ailment was exposed to strong amounts of Bizarro energy, they would become defined by the inverse: a blind girl would instead have excellent vision, a deaf girl would gain excellent hearing, and so on.Using the same logic, if you were suffering from some particular ailment/curse, caught a nilbog, ground him up and snorted him, you might end up with the exact opposite of whatever dehibilitation you have.How you'd grind up a creature that heals from damage is where the plan hits a snag.
>>97028543oh my god you compared him to a POTATO? lmao totally rekt him good one anon very classy
>>97028543Your ass and your face are a distinction without a difference.
>>97028675>>97028683Yeah okay you can stop feeding him yous now
>>97028555kekI can feel the burn from here
>>97028683You are looking in the mirror, retard.
>>97028611Wow love your analysis anon, thanks, lots of food for thought. >How do you grind up a creature that heals from damage?Never thought of it in that terms, that's a real conundrum. How would you do it?
>>97028721You better stop, drop, and roll. Next time don't play with fire.
>>97028727Yeah and I'm seeing your mother sucking my pickle.
>>97028611Amazing, Anon, I never knew Frankenstein was inspired by the Bizarro comic but now that you say it it makes a lot of sense
>>97028739Your pickle is too small to suck or even see. Or at least that is what your mom says about you.
>>97028697FWIW I agree. It's funny for a few posts, but don't draw it out too long. Stay on topic, keep the good posts coming
>Kobolds or Goblins?My, I can't decide. What do you mean? Favourite monster? Most scary? Most classic? This is such a good question, it's really got me thinking.
>>97025304Yeah, okay, but goblins or kobolds?
>>97025421This is also a great idea I'm going to steal. Wow, Vietnam goblins. Yeah, it makes a lot of sense and there's so many hollywood movies to steal from. My players will love it this is going to be my next campaign.
>>97028759Take your negativity elsewhere please I'm not playing that game anymore
>>97028748It's the other way around you absolute retard
>>97028799Lol I'm picturing the full metal jacket happy birthday baby Jesus scene but the drill sergeant is a GOBLIN
>>97028890kek goblin prostitute scene 15 gp me sucky sucky make love long timemy players would find it hialarious
>>97028872Lolwut that comic is like from the 60's
>>97025781>I'm absolutely for women and minorities playing the games they want.Great words Anon thanks for saying this.As a colored woman this means a lot to me. It's great to know I have some allies in the hobby, I feel empowered by your words.
>>97025801>some brainlet whose ideas led to creating slop like modern Star Wars was, at some point, inspired by people who played 1e. >The kind of brainlets that idolize Homelander or think that Patrick Bateman is worth emulating.Oh my god this is so spot on, I know three people who play 1e and they ALL idolize Homelander and Patrick Bateman.
had the fiend folio and mm for years bit the bullet and bought the dmg and phbrunning a session next month
>>97025801You think Gygax indirectly ruined Star Wars? I don't think it's that far fetched actually. The character of Rey gives me 1e vibes as well.>>97029017There's also some boomers at the shop I hang out sometimes that are constantly making American Psycho references, and they play 1e. Never heard them mention Homelander though
>>97029035>Never heard them mention Homelander thoughAsk them and report
>>97029079Yeah either way 1e boomers suck. And you're right to call them out for running Star Wars.
>>97029119>for running Star Wars*ruiningt. phoneanon
>>97025801The thing is, once 1e blew up, anyone could treat it as their first "story manual". That included women, ethnic minorities, and queer players which was great but it also meant plenty of people took 1e's levelling logic as their whole narrative worldview. That's why modern Star Wars feels like a progression chart: the beats match what those players always thought a story is.And it's the same instinct behind 1e boomers who unironically think Rey is a great character or admire Patrick Bateman, or Homelander. They read characters like stat blocks: most power wins, end of analysis.Thankfully 2e brough some taste into the picture with deep character development, narrative depth, storytelling, story arcs, and strong plots. And while still far from perfect, MUCH less misogynism and racism.
>>97025801>>97029176Elaborating.Thanks in large part to Hickman, 2e steered things away from 1e's power ladder obsession. It pushed proper character motives, proper arcs, and plots that hanged on narrative choices rather than character sheets. 2e expects players to treat characters as PEOPLE with histories, motives, and depth. Not as bundles of upgrades.And if you didn't work on your character development and involvement in the story, sorry, no XP for you, which kept the worse 1e boomers way from our tables.Thanks to this, 2e tables generally cultivated a much healthier mindset. More nuance, more attention to relationships and moral consequences. Far less tolerance for the "most powerful = best character" mindset. And what's best is that shift tended to show socially as well. Players shaped by 2e's emphasis on depth are, in practice, far more likely to be decent Black, Latinx, and LGBT allies. People who actually think in terms of character, context, and empathy rather than simple hierarchy.This is sorely needed in these difficult times in the USA. Do I think 2e will save us? No, but it will definitely play its small part, however indirectly.
>>97029176>>97029217Yeah well Gygax WAS a Republican after allBut anyway great analysis all around Anon did you study this stuff in uni?
>>97029301I have degrees in American studies and media studies.
>>97029349That's so cool! So you're basically the new Gillespie, but not a chud
>>97025200>dog koboldslame
>>97029430wdym kobolds are kick ass
>>97029554yeah but dog kobolds are lame
>>97029578>dog koboldsWhat's that
>>97029217>>97029301So I take it you're here to bait in hope of getting a few more bans out?Not happy with the state of your new general?
>>97029591Some boomer shit
>>97029653Lol ok
>>97029644The best way to deal with a troll is to post about games. Tell us about your last session.
>>97029703Nah, I don't particularly feel like contributing to the general so long as this asshat has free reign. Like most others who used to contribute.
>>97029718>so long as this asshat has free reignFree REIN. As in allowing a horse to run free without pulling on the reins, not like giving somebody a kingdom as a gift, you fucking retard.
>>97029718Yeah, I get it. That's totally the reason.
Thankfully, the proper new thread is now up:>>97029679>>97029679>>97029679
>>97029718Anon I get it it's a bit annoying but aren't you overreacting? We have so many good conversations left open, just join in and keep this thread alive.
>>97024938>>Thread Question:>Kobolds or Goblins?Kobolds! Thanks for asking
>>97026605Yeah fuck kobolds team goblin ftw
>>97026733>Xvarts are just about as lame a design as a monster can be.Mmmh yeah xvarts are even worse than kobolds. Fucking mongrels
>>97029644*taps the sign*>>97024968
>>97029831What's that? It's not in the Monstrous Compendium.
>>97029751FOEGYG
>>97029751Excellent. Hard to say which was worse of the samefagged fake replies to the thread question or the fake game reports from nonexistent games. Only the demented shitposting about 2e as Faggot Edition was of any value in this thread.
>>97029032Nice! What do you plan on running for the group? Homebrew or a module?
>>97029873A WEIRD monster.Heres a vid that goes in more detail than i care to posthttps://youtu.be/nLuHLZ3Bc70
>>97029873Some boomer goblin/kobold mongrel. Not really worth looking into, like many if not most Gygax monsters. The guy had some good ideas but mostly it was crap.
>>97029911>>97029904ugh I'll pass thanks
>>97029591Kobolds were originally depicted as little dog-lizard humanoids instead of tiny dragon humanoids.
>>97029728>Free REINWow really? I never knew. Thanks Anon. I'm learning a lot in this thread.
>>97029934PSAREAL kobolds are dogsOrcs are pigsThat is all
>>97025304>PCs have to help push back infestations of themHell yeah! Players would love to have to do that of thing. Did you actually run it? Can we get a session report?
>>97029959okay boomer
>>97029934>dog-lizardlolwutWhy it doesn't make any sense
>>97029959I agree. Dog kobolds have more personality to them. Pig orcs are also a favorite of mine. That and them being green and not grey. That way they look like the Jabba's guards in Star Wars.
>>97029980yeah well
>>97029980It is a fantasy creature in a fantasy game.
>>97029992>they look like the Jabba's guards in Star WarsGood reference. Star Wars was clearly an inspiration for Gygax.
>>97029999No shit
>>97029999don't bring your logic into my elfgames
>>97029934No, they were horned dog-elves.
>>97030001Really? I thought it was Appendix n or somethingBut I can kinda see it in hindsight now that you mention it
>>97030011Doesn't look like an Elf to me what are you smoking
>>97030020It's a metaphor
>>97030024Easy with the big words egghead
>>97030030Yeah whatever. Post about games instead of spamming about kobolds. What are you playing?
>>97029891oh a module for sure I'm open to suggestions but I'm thinking b2
>>97029963I second the session report request. Tell us Anon
>>97030045B2 is overrated, mindlessly boring, and superseded by decades of better design. Run something awesome like Dragonlance or Ravenloft instead.
>>97030045I was also thinking of running B2 for a group soon. I was also considering running the Lost City. Distant third is to run Sinister Secrets of Saltmarsh and then Isle of Dread after.
>>97030058Which Dragonlance module would you recommend for starting levels? Which Ravenloft module? Not I6 as that is far above level 1.
>>97030058Anybody who's ever played a campaign with kenders and tinker gnomes can never go back to another setting. You know how tinker gnomes don't take turns while speaking and talk over one another because they can speak and listen at the same time? It's the best when you have two tinker gnome PCs in the party so the players can talk over one another as if they were tinker gnomes. And then the kender steals... sorry BORROWS all their shit. It's like the best setting ever. Best for roleplaying.
>>97030093OMFG THAT'S HILARIOUS I can picture it in my head. Are you still playing that campaign? Can we get a session report?>>97030067Why, DL1 of course. Then DL2, DL3, and so on. Do them in order. You won't regret it.
>>97030108I'm sorry, I don't feel like sharing a session report right now, I'm still annoyed by the shitposting. Also you basically got one already. Why don't you post one? Maybe that'll put me in the mood.
>>97030131>DL1 of courseSeconded.
>>97030145Yeah DL1 is pretty good. All of the series is actually. Certainly the best series of modules.
>>97030131Will do tomorrow
I don’t know if this is the right thread to ask inBut are there any TTRPGs that can just be a big fuckin random rogue-like?I’ve heard you can kinda hack DCC to play like a big randomized permadeath roguelike, but I feel like you’d need to know the system and all the supplements and modules and extra content and stuff to be able to organize it and do that. But it sounds like a really fun idea. Find completely random items sampled from like… all the possible content. Random characters, classes, skills and spells, gear etc. randomized dungeons. Throw em in, they die or succeed and keep on until they die. Basically like… forming a whole roguelike around the solo funnel idea.But maybe someone’s already done this.Anyone know?
>>97030163I mean you could always use the AD&D dungeon masters guide to roll up a random dungeon and just keep doing it just ahead of the players. Just randomize character creation completely. Not sure who would enjoy it as a player but I'm certain that someone would.
>>97030163Why would you want to do that? That sounds boring as hell, just play a videogame if that's what you like. What makes OSR really great is having engaging stories and compelling plots and character arcs and character backstories and an adventure with a clear goal that can be defeated. Nobody likes dying. Maybe you enjoy killing PCs, but I can guarantee players don't like that.
>>97030174>use the AD&D dungeon masters guide to roll up a random dungeonThat's a bad meme. Random dungeons don't make any fucking sense, don't do that.
>>97030162Promise?
>>97030174Fuck off with that bullshit>>97030184>>97030194Based.
>>97030201Promised.
>>97030215Thanks for that wholesome exchange Anon
>>97030229You're very well Anon
>>97030242why, I am well, but I guess you meant welcome?
>>97030067Pretty sure the anon is trolling as Dragonlance is the start of the ultra linear railroad campaign design of modern neotrad/3.x D&D and beyond.Nights Dark Terror, The Lost City, Kings festival and keep on the borderlands are all better modules to learn to play d&d with.
>>97030264Lol yes sorry
>>97030283No worries, that was cute actually
>>97030281>Dragonlance is the start of the ultra linear railroad campaign design of modern neotrad/3.x D&D and beyondThanks, you can fuck back off to your containment thread now.
Ahem>>97030294Taps sign>>97024968No but seriously>>97030281Now you got two (You)s you can fuck off.
>>97030308It's not enough that they have their own retarded "first edition" thread, they also have to come over here to shit the place up. Infuriating.
>>97028799>>97028890It is weird to see an entire generation of osers who haven't even heared >fantasy fucking vietnam before.
>>97030328Okay boomer
>>97030318>their own retarded "first edition" threadthe fuck are you on about
>>97030318No they don't, it got deleted. It's been a long war but we've won, Anons.
>>97030343WHAT? REALLY? FUCKIN' A
There is a lot of samepickle here and its sad.
>>97030348Awesome
>>97030353It's the trollcow
>>97030343It was great seeing the thread got banned. Them spamming and ree'ing in here is just the cherry on top.
>>97030363nou
>>97030174>>97030184Guess I forgot to specify I meant for solo play
>>97030333I really like how you use vocabulary!
>>97030370All the more reason to play a videogame instead.
>>97030373Thank you, appreciated.
>>97030378Don't be a dick, Anons don't need to be playing with a group to post here. Everyone is welcome.
>>97030378Videogames are a great way to enjoy dungeon expediences much like osr, I agree.
>>97030389Okay, fair. That we can agree on. Apologies.
>>97030398Apologize to solo Anon, not to me.
>>97030404Fair. Sorry, solo Anon >>97030370
>>97030364FUCK YEAH
>>97030386No, thank you for thanking me!
>>97030418https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLRi9PamZ3I
>>97030413Ok
>>97030404Being a bit too now, remember everyone is welcome here.
>>97030444Being a bit too...?You missed a word there, Anon
>>97030062I know what modules I'd head to next for Saltmarsh. If any anons have recommendations for what to do after Keep/City then it would be appreciated.
>>97030457Dragonlance.
>>97030390That they are.
>>97030364No no, that was uncalled for, everyone is welcome remember?
>>97030452It seems rude to say.
>>97030473Yeah, now that we've won we have to welcome everybody here.
>>97030484Oh jolly good.
>>97027058I key them later.
>>97030501That's a good approach. Much better than keying them immediately, I think
>>97030436https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o8zQBF8NmI
>>97030510Well, keying them as you see fit and at a pace and time of one's choosing is the only way to approach the judgment. If you want.
>>97030363You are the trollcow, samepickle
>>97030484Everyone except 2efags, that is, since 2e isn't OSR and doesn't belong in this general.
>>97030526As long as you key them before the session. Wouldn't want to key them after.
>>97030529Sure you're joking, Anon. 2e is the best edition ever published. Don't bring your negativity here.
>>97030544It's not negativity, I'm positive that 2e isn't OSR and doesn't belong here.
>>97030532Agreed, keying them after is worse than before.
>>97030554Keying them after might still be better than keying them during play, though. I wouldn't want to make my players wait and watch while I key my dungeon.
>>97030547Well, it's your opinion and I respect it. You're still welcome here.
>>97030566Thank you. I am not a 2efag.
>>97030563Personally I agree wit hthe other anon about keying immediately. No reason to wait.
>>97030386>>97030418Thanks to you both for making this thread positive with your politeness!
>>97030554Now now, better late than never.
>>97030184>>97030194>>97030206>go play a video game, osr is for heckin story gamers!!how about you go read a novel instead, foegyger
>>97030637Really the emergent narrative of the lives we live are the video game all along anon.
>>97030646Based and Hickmanpilled
CALLING THE PICKLEANON: pickling update please!!
>>97030598Oh okay, you're welcome. Its certainly increased the quality of this thread for legitimate discussion of osr games, you can see it from all the posts.
>>97030529>>97030547You don't belong in this general, retard. 2e is on topic and you need to learn to deal with it.
>>97030681Yes, posting rate is the only real measure of legitimacy and thread quality.
>>97030682Don't be negative, anon, everyone belongs in this general! Whether they post about ACKS or simply hate 2e, they belong here.
>>97030682Now that's not very polite. Relax.
>>97030682Uh rude, we don't do that here okay?
>>97030655*Hickmanpickled.
>>97030695>>97030698>>97030704That anon simply doesn't understand what's required of a poster in /osrg/. You might say he's fishing for conflict, which is fag behavior.
>>97030716See, this sort of thing is what we're trying to discourage. If you want. As politely as possible if you will.
>>97030716(But not FAG behavior, I hasten to add)
>>97030682You're absolutely right. There's many Anons who need to come to terms with 2e being on topic in this thread and its consequences. We can finally talk openly about its many qualities, and have good discussions about it.
>>97030721Yes, I'm sorry, I shouldn't have called him a fag. That was rude. How about "fishpickle"?
>>97030710>I'M... URP...I'M PICKLEHICKMAN GARRY
>>97030728No, 2e is off topic here and you shouldn't be so rude about anons saying so. This is very bad, everyone is welcome in this thread.
>>97030734That pickle comeback is such a burn. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of it.
>>97030734Dangerous to turn yourself into a refreshing snack near a pothead...
>>97030740I'm sorry, check the OP again. 2e is on topic on this thread. But this DOES mean that you're allowed to speak your mind about it. Including saying that you think it SHOULD be off topic. Even though right now it is on topic.I, for one, will be saying that I think 2e is the best D&D edition.
>>97030732>Rollmops >+1 to reaction rolls if shared with a group of likeminded FAGS>-5 to reaction if consumed alone
>>97030760>TrollmopsHA! CONFESS!
>>97030770I admit to enjoying pickled herring and that is nothing to be ashamed of when enjoying them during a rousing game of OSR, rolling dice and telling stories.
>>97030728>We can finally talk openly about its many qualities, and have good discussions about it.You're right. Let's talk about its primary quality, or nature if you will: its astounding shittiness. What genius of art allowed Zeb Cook to make it by far the worst D&D edition ever published?
>>97030757Too aggressive, stating your opinion like that could discourage thread quality.
>>97030747Its a well preserved joke.
>>97030760>t. Rollcow
>>97030723Fun Anachronistic Game?
>>97030348Fucking A and not fucking B is B-phobic. It's called Les-B-A-n, Anon!
>>97030817Freshly Acidized Gherkins.
I cannot believe we need to hide in a designated thread now because this rot is tolerated across the rest of the board. What the fuck happened to 4chan?
>>97030808>trolltools.garylarson
>>97030776Just a minute, you just assured me that I could post.Look, I'm under what?Anons, this is BrOSR manifest.Have a look at the thread discussion here.See that ACKShill over? He- GET YOUR HAND OFF MY PICKLE!This is the trollcow who got me on the pickle before!Why did you do this to me?For what reason?What is the charge?Eating a rollmops? A succulent German rollmops?Oh that's a nice haddock, Sir!Oh...Aaah, yes. I see that you know your purity spiral well. Good one.And you Anon, are you waiting to receive my limp pickle?How dare-Get your hands off me.Ta-ta and farewell!One greentext, look.They even broke the greentext.
>>97030841That kind of desperate negativity isn't welcome here anon. You've had too many rollmops alone.
>>97030857Sorry, it's just infuriating to see how infested this place has become.
>>97030857Stop feeding the trollcow.
>>97030866Contact the constabulary, certainly complaints conduct creative conflagration.
>>97030851>a prince of poetry triumphant over a kent
>>97030876There's no point, he'll eat all the herring whether we feed it to him or not. We're going to need to buy some more fish stocks! Maybe some adventurers have a load of smoked fish they want to get rid of?
>>97030328No i heard about it and was shocked when i couldnt find a module that properly executed it.
You guys, can I be honest? I think I actually prefer this thread. The positivity. The hilarity. The camaraderie. The ontopicness. All genuinely heartwarming.
>>97030824B is a spiky pit trap though. A prickly cunt.
>>97030916>No i heard about itAdmit it, you hadn't heard about it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcWM_1hBu_c
>>97030923Don't try to talk your way out of your transphobia this way! The discord trannies will hold you accountable no matter what you say, phobe!Uh, in a positive way. We don't want to wreck this thread with negative vibes.
>>97030923A pickly cow you mean, surely.
>>97030916Nah, you didn't hear about it.
>>97030918It most assuredly highlights who can laugh at themselves, a good and admirable quality, and who can't. Must be the rollmop consumption methods.
>>97030940I can vouch for him, he heard about it.
>>97030950Did he really hear about it? I guess if you vouch for him I have to take your word for it.
>>97030959Absolutely. Trust me.
>>97030950He would have mentioned Dau Mon if he knew.
>>97030851
>>97030970I'm gobblin' these pickles!
>>97030934I read this article after reading abkut another DM rubning a bajt and switch in vietnam oneshothttps://hillcantons.blogspot.com/2011/04/fantasy-fckin-vietnam.html?m=1
>>97030971Hey! I recognise that image! You've already posted it before! This is CONCLUSIVE PROOF.
>>97030935Bold to assume I meant cunt as a pejorative!
>>97030977I'm not clicking on your CP links, Anon. I don't want to end up in jail.
>>97030979Yes, I admit it. I'M SPARTACUS!
>>97030982Found the Australian.
>>97030982Aha! Your evil is proven! All trannies hate and fear the very mention of cunt, since they can never have one! You're also Spartacus!
>>97030979He's a different guy, trust me.
>>97030990No, the Australian is here: >>97030851As you can see, he is safely under arrest.
>>97030996If you say that, I'll have to take your word for it.
>>97031004Absolutely. Trust me.
>>97031000No that guy's canadian, You can tell because he's pickled.
What are some good random dubgeon generstion tables outside of the 1e ones? Need unique features to add to rooms>pic semi related.
>>97031040Dubgen's pretty 2010s goblin rave scene. A bit dated.
>>97031010Hey wait no, trust me. Trust me.
>>97031060Dungeon lolFuck phonepostingWant to help add unique features to each ot the rooms i prep.
>>97031040Knave 2e has some good tables that can be useful for dungeon making.
>>97031072Best prep notes for keying are here >>97030554>>97030563
>>97030682Historically the fishmonger has always hated 2e. He's on record; check the archives. This is because of the ENworld civil war, which as we know only happened in 2012 because 3rd edition came out in 2000. Anyways, the OSR started in 1743 due to the conclusion of the Russo-Swedish War, sparking the rise of the BrOSR.
>>97031079I think you can agree we're in agreement about disagreeing that disagreement about agreeing on where Knave goes is disagreeable.
>>97031040The 2e DMG has an excellent random dungeon generation system.
>>97031060>>97031072Fantastic! I love it! It's a great publication.
>>97031079>Knave 2eAmazing. Ben Milton is one of the greatest talents on the OSR scene and an all-around great guy. Love his youtube channel too.
>>97031104>russo-sweedish war Pretty sure it triggered with the Finno-Korean Hyperwar. Its where this pickle really started.
>>97031040Ugh, why are you using the 1e DMG? It's like ancient history, full of unusable mechanics and all sorts of bad things, both from the gaming point of view and also very bad taste, like the prostitute tables. Do better, Anon.
>>97031134My favourite part is when he and Raggi did karaoke reviews of Death Love Doom.
>>97031143Based. 1e is a meme, there's literally zero reasons to play it.
>>97031147They DID?? Omg I love Ben, how did I miss this? Link
>>97031160He's also very handsome. I'm not a fag, but I would go down on him.
>>97031160It was a patron exclusive mail in vhs that self destructed after being played. Rumour has it the last copy is held in some exiled witch doctor hut in south america.
>>97030682>He thinks he gets to say who does or doesn't belong in this general.Everybody point and laugh
>>97031174To be fair, we can't accept the Belgians. Traditionally they've never been OSR, all the way back to its founding in 1964 in the first issue of Avalon Hill's The General (the OSR, not Belgium).
>>97031040>>97031060Dubgen is the natural successor to dubstep for D&D purposes if you think about it. The crawling motion is very appropriate.
>>97031174Yeah I was like LMAO fishbitch I've been here since 2016. This is my home, I ain't going anywhere.
>>97031070No, YOU trust ME.
>>97031174We don't do exclusionary ostracization here, we accept and accept and accept.
>>97031134I also like Bent Million but I hear a rumor that his first name refers to the shape of his penis, is this true???? Does Bert Hilton have a crick in the dick?!
>>97031171>Rumour has it the last copy is held in some exiled witch doctor hut in south america.Dammit! The swami strikes again!
>>97031211I'm sorry. Going back to positive posting. I love Mork Borg, I think it's the best OSR system after Knave and AD&D 2e.
>>97031190>Traditionally they've never been OSR, all the way back to its founding in 1964 in the first issue of Avalon Hill's The General (the OSR, not Belgium).WRONG. It was Belgium that was founded in the pages of The General in 1964 – if not, how do you explain why Belgium didn't start until the magazine was released? This PROVES that Belgium was founded in response to the release of Advanced Squad Leader.
>>97031221Aren't swamis in India??
>>97031196You already have a general Dicey. You're welcome here too though!
>>97031240Not if they ran over a protected species of hippo while drunk in Ontario in 1994 and had to flee the Royal Canadian Mounted Police.
>>97031228No need to limit yourself, friend: everything is OSR. I suggest you try the great OSR game Toon, or perhaps a one-shot of that OSR classic, Teenagers from Outer Space.
>>97031234The Iranian Revolution is from 1978. Advanced Squad Leader is from 1977. This proves that the Iranian Revolution was a reaction to Advanced Squad Leader, and it wanted to bring Iran back to the original Squad Leader.
>>97031249Personally, my favorite OSR game is the first edition of Cyberpunk: it's fairly old! It just unfortunate that the only game in the universe that isn't OSR is 2e, because I think it's quite good too. But unfotunately we can't talk about that here.
>>97031240kinda racist
>>97031249Paranoia is another great OSR game.
>>97031253That's right! The Iranian Revolution is OSR.
>>97031196So you been retarded for a long time. Good for you,
>>97031270Thank you!
>>97031174Yeah, at you and your smells.
>>97031270Yes, you're very retarded. Glad you're finally admitting it.
>>97031278LOL REKT
>>97031268Paranoia's out to get the /osrg/!
>>97031278Get a load of Stinky here, trying to accuse others of his own issues!
>>97031280tsk tsk Anon what's with all the negativity. He's not retarded, he's differently intelligent.
>>97024938NEW BREAD>>97031284>>97031284
>>97031294You're right, I'm sorry. I should be focused on the positive, like that this thread is about to hit bump limit.
>>97031200Oh. Okay, seem legit.
Could an anon start a real thread rather than another hijack thread? Thanks.
>>97031280I think you meant to link to your own posts, retard.
>>97031295New thread while this thread is still on page one? LMAO MAD LAD crazy positivity
>>97031291Your smells is a issue for everyone.
Right, that should be enough of this shit, and the spamfag's latest attempt was instakilled: >>97031295Who's making the next thread? Fishfag got away with posting when the real thread was on page 5, do we figure that'll be enough?
>>97031313>>97031320Yes, you are a retard who smells. You're absolutely correct for once, Stinky.
>>97031325No u and your retarded smells.
>fishfag comes back to try and jumpstart a new thread >a bunch of posts get really mean weird
>>97031321You still believe this is about the page when a thread is posted? lol that's cute
>>97024938>Spam thread with samefagging>shit up with offtopic posting>wait for thread to hit bump limit then post your ownSamepickle
>>97031333Yeah Anons watch it with the negativity. Stay positive.
>>97031343Hey, be positive. Everyone is welcome here.
>>97031295Nooooo why was this deleted I can feel it ruining my positivity.
>>97031343Hi concensus pickle.
>>97031321Who the hell knows? They change their "policy" every two threads: it's like being moderated by a Magic 8-Ball.
>>97031040Tricks, Empty Rooms, and Basic Trap Design by CC has been super useful as a bit more inspiration while being generic enough to still work for different sorts of dungeons. Its not OSR specific but the DMs Miscellany Dungeon Dressing collection has quite a few good bits for what it is. After that it gets more tailored for the setting so its harder to suggest, but those are decent starts.
>>97030977That's not about dnd! That's about caring about your dad! Off-topic!
Alright, the spamfag's posted another hijack OP, can someone post a proper one so at least it doesn't go unchallenged?
>>97031449Already deleted.
>>97031484Would you look at that. Might be some hope for the janny corps yet.
>>97031484>>97031497>my argument has failed so ill spam report new threads to get my way!Samepickle as always, trollcow.
>>97031510I think you meant to say, "Samecow as pickle, alwaystroll."
>>97031522That's what he'll be muttering to the nurses after the aneurysm
>>97031510Pickle as usual, King Trollcow!
I had a dream I was playing a really old school video game. ( though it was solo 1v1 combat based instead of party based. )It had an interesting mechanic where you could get bonuses to hit in exchange for giving enemies an advantage against you on the retaliation, depending on enemy type. So one enemy type you'd just trade a +1 to hit for the enemy getting a +1 to hit in a 1:1 ratio. Other enemies might get +damage, special attacks etc. It looked like a THACO table but since it was a videogame it would calculate the probabilities for you, so if you did +5 to hit it would just say something like "+25% to hit, enemy +35% to hit."Just thought it was interesting enough to post about. Wish that game was real.
Well, it's page 5. Shall we try a new proper thread, since this hijack thread was made on page 5 and was allowed to stay? I have no idea what is expected here.
>>97031628Fuck it, new thread:>>97031639>>97031639>>97031639
>>97029591kobolds have changed a few times... Holmes for example simple called them small dwarf-like creaturesdogbolds were from Moldvay Basic, which described kobolds as dog-like with scaly skin and the artwork next to it showed them with a literal dog head.Mentzer BECMI used the same description sans art. B2 in its rumor tables also called them "small dog men".BECMI released in Japanese in '85 and Wizardry released a few months later with new art that looked at the games sprites, the BECMI descriptions and decided that kobolds were literal dogs like pic related - completely shaping how they're depicted in Japanese media for the 40 years since.kobolds... I don't know what depiction I like. small dwarf men, dog men / bootleg gnolls, rat men, yet another dragon worshiping lizard man but small.
>>97032407>Moldvay Basic, which described kobolds as dog-like with scaly skin and the artwork next to it showed them with a literal dog headYou need to take your dog back to wherever you got him from, 'cause if his head looks like that, something funny is going on there
>>97032407Also lizard men don't worship dragons.
>>97032417kobolds are the punt dogs of the d&d bestiary
>>97031628Mods needed to do what they applied for and ban the trolls, they just sat on their fat asses though. Guess you can never rely on a janny.
>>97032563If they did you would been banned years ago samepickle
>>97032407>>97032417These are the same picture.
>>97032909You summoned me!I will be posting my updated pickles soon! >>97031248What are you talking about, RPG pundit hit and killed two human beings in alberta, not a hippopotamus
>>97031079>>97031143>>97031127Absolutely disgusting fucking behavior from our resident fishfucker
>>97029980>>dog-lizard>lolwut>Why it doesn't make any senseSynapsids were a real thing.
>>97032417With this post you just reveal your own ignorance
>>97036132No u
>>97034865Good idea for what I could make kobolds look like in my next campaign.
That was a lot of fun. Some of you guys are alright, don't go to school monday.
>>97036166What an incredibly sophisticated reply, I've seen the error of my ways thanks to this
>>97037054The wisdom of old /b/ is never in question, grasshopper
>>97037154Sure, but we are on /tg/.
>>97037154I've been here much longer than you, faggot
>>97037968Once /tg/ was basically /b/-lite>>97038108doubt.png
