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How am I supposed to play on Arena when there are 7 sets per year? Should I switch to paper and start proxying like mad?
>>97030273Arena is actually pretty easy if you're good at limited, it's even possible to f2p entire sets if you're really good. If you want to play paper you'll have to proxy or fork over loads of money, yeah.
>>97030273what I do is get all my daily quests done with standard brawl decksand whenever I get enough gold for a draft, I do that until I get enough gems to buy the pass
>>97030288What winrate do you need to go infinite?
>>97030295To infinite, absurdly high. But you don't need to go infinite to get a ton of cards, the gold you get from dailies can help make up for your losses. Still hard though, it's like over a 60% win rate. Arena win rates are also inflated, since the competition is weaker.
>>97030288I honestly doubt anyone is grinding out draft anymore, it's more random than ever before and everyone is using overlays and other draft tools to get better decks. You aren't gonna pick up a bomb someone just overlooked
man Avatar limited is kind of like a core set (board stalls, weak removal) with a bunch of synergy added (some of the mechanics are pretty nice I gotta admit)but there are so many rare/mythic EDH legendaries that will completely take over the game solo
>>97030316Draft has never been easier lol, I was almost net positive in EOE while everyone else was dropping the ball. It's no more random than in the past, a miniscule percentage of the base uses overlays, and people absolutely still pass bombs if you can read signals.
>>97030443I've always been a top level drafter but oddly my winrate has been higher than ever lately too.I think FF bringing a bunch of new players into Limited (especially from EDH) made the pool even weaker
>>97030462Yeah, for sure. UB tourists have flooded Arena, I was also a bit worried about keeping up with the increased pace but it's actually been going ok. Would still prefer less sets, but it's a better situation than paper at least.
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>T1The pinnacle.Elegant, powerful, flavorful.
*ruins standard in ur path*
>>97030574In the end, Gavin's attempt to downplay Kinnan's power in EDH backfired spectacularly.
Why doesn't Azula, the most menacing, aggressive, and vicious character in the show, have Menace, Haste, or First Strike?
>>97030245>TQ
>>97030609she jobbed
>>97030574lol Grizzly Bears is taking over Standard?
>>97030609The mechanic they gave her was firebending because, as astute viewers might have noticed, in the show she was a firebender
The dust has settled what’s your final opinion on ATLA?
>>97030574does it really? enabling 4 mana turn 3 doesn't sound all that powerful
>>97030653Slop for pigs.
>>97030574How would you neuter the mole?>{T}: Until the end of the turn whenever you tap a creature for mana, add an additional {G}. Activate only as a sorcery
>>97030656>4 mana turn 3It sets up for 10 mana turn 3
>>97030656llanowar elves is in standard>t1 forest, llanowar>t2 forest, cub, cub>t3 forest, you have 10 manaIf you don't double cub t2, you could drop a cub and double llanowar instead, still 10 mana on t3. Gene pollinator can also replace one of the llanowars as long as you have a cub to tap.
Watch as greenfags who ruin Standard every 5 years with green midrange/combo faggotry suddenly go totally silent about green being le sick man of MTG.
bolt the bird always
>>97030693>Yeah Llanowar Elves can go in Foundations, the game is fast enough that it's not too threatening>Print a 2-mana mana doubler, an effect so powerful even EDHonlies recognize it's a problem>Oh and the doubler sets itself up because can't have cards asking you to do the bare minimum in a post-FIRE world
>>97030823Thassa's Oracle was printed because a guy on the design team wanted to make his roommate (a literal EDH troon) happy.
>>97030245she cute
member when they had to ban a 4cmc mana doubler that restricts you to flash creatures?
>>97030653I'm only like 7 drafts in but at least it's definitely much better than Spiderman and EoE
What went wrong? Is this how Lorwyn should look like?
>>97030881They found out that the cards women actually like the most are le heckin cute and goofy creaturinos (they actually did a study on this) so every set has some stupid fucking ugly-cute animal and pupperinos for the femoid/trannoid/reddit crowd.
>>97030653>easy 3-0 while raredraftingGREENCHADS RISE UP
>>97030881Romantasy
yo when did elspeth get BLACKED?
>>97030881my wife thinks this is the coolest shit, blame her. I do.
>>97030881lol looks awesome, this set is gonna rule
>Lorwyn was a plane of whimsy that hid a great deal of casual violence and disregard for life, with the supremacy of merciless giga-racist elves hanging over everything else.>then when day turns to night the plane becomes a nightmarish inversion of itself where eldritch gods hidden beyond the veil roam free>Lorwyn now>romantasy and flower beagles
>>97030881This card will convince your gf/wife that it's fine to blow a couple hundred dollars on packs
>>97030980It's still that
>>97030995why did they get rid of the subtlety
>>97030874The signals were clear as day, fags, this is just another step into making any UW product a big shit.
"Better than Spiderman" is the loweat bar imaginable
>TQI can count on my hand the amount of times I actually managed to flip him, but damn it felt good
>>97031028Unfortunately, WotC released it, making it a possible standard for comparison.
>>97031005Because subtlety is a modern horizon product duh
My least favorite thing in 2025 is pointing at a mistake and then using it to justify further mistakes>its precedent now lol
>>97030245Gavin Kikey really going the extra mile to see how many White keywords and abilities he can steal and slap on blue creatures.>Flash>Flying>Vigilance>Plus1 Counters>Draw triggers on opponent actions >LegendaryWhy not just make it a MDFC with a blue Farewell while the kikes are at it.
Hehe...Jews...
Avatar might be a format where UB is sleeper OP gonna force this shit to test it out
>3 mana 4/3 >players cant gain life>uncommonboy things are really getting real these days
>>97031055in the short window before MH3, this used to be a primary wincon in the Timeless Primeval Titan deck.it was a lot of fun
>>97031353I mean, you have temporary exile that slows the game (partially) and more ways to pay for mana; compared to mana that, by itself, is only available during combat and more creatures that die to counter removal (like exile). So while it might not be very OP, but it can fuck some people over
I hate UB.However.When I used to play magic on tabletop sim during covid, I sparred a lot in pubs with a guy named SecretTunnel whose avatar was the musician from the episode. Hope he's happy about all this.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7o4EI_-5reA
>>97030245>TQi really like this card and ran it as a 1of in modern d&t for awhile
Im starting to think the new bending mechanics are a bit overpowered
>>97031804Gotta love daybreak lmao>>97031932I had a cracked ally deck in standard and went 1-2 against the last dude in the league because he had metalbender toph, bumi, and the boulder. It was absurd. I wiped him twice and he kept coming back.
>>97031932They're insanely well-designed.WotC's new pace of releases really showing which sets the A team works on and which ones get relegated to the B team
>>97031932Firebending is fucking silly. Literal turn 3-4 wins if you don't immediately deal with the benders.
Can you use earthbended land to crew vehicles?
I think firebending (or a renamed variation of it) should be a red stapleSpicy Llanowar ElvesFirebending 11/1
>>97032023ye. or station. or crew with a stationed creature that was stationed with earthbent land. you can mix and match however you like as long as it's a creature
>>97032047But that's retarded. It's fucking land. How is it allowed to crew a vehicle
>>97032058And how can a lightning bolt hurt a being made of pure lightning
Jesus christ this program is retarded.
>>97031015I hope that card a legend, I can't wait to read whatever pronouns on it.
>keep a slow hand>well as long as we're not on the draw Vs RW aggro curving out we should be fineyeah of course we are, motherfucking draft over fuck you WotC you sick fucks hope these aggro shitters fucking choke to death
>>97032167>I'm an elf but my pronouns are fae/faeyr
>>97032177good beats, go work 30 more minutes at minimum wage to afford another bro
>>97032177Like jesus Christ fucking animals click the draft button then just HUUUUUURRRRRRRR I TAKE THE AGGRO CARDS I GO FIRST I CURVE OUT THANKS WOTC FOR GIVING MY OPPONENT NO TURN 2 PLAY THE GAME IS OVER yeah brain-dead fucks you animals will never get good at Magic doing this shit
>>97032188lol funnily I'm still gem positive on that run anything short of a 7-X makes me rage because I'm so much better than everyone else that I feel entitled to a 100% winrate
Just seen Doc Aurlock combo win on turn 4 with a single land in play lol this might not be okay
>>97030245>>97030612Before AKROMA, there was...https://scryfall.com/card/mir/146/spirit-of-the-night
>>97032196>Cliff Nielsenwhat a power couple that must have been manartistically speaking I mean
>>97032134I'm fed up that every google search I made has this abysmal dogshit at the top. It's wrong at least half the time.
>>97031961>They're insanely well-designed.
>>97030443>>97030462bullshit, as mythic player my WR is down and a lot of cards rated by untapped disappear way faster
>>97030443>>97030462>People going on the internet to lieDraft is extremely arbitrary and more based on cracking mythics than ever.
>>97030609They missed a lot of opportunities for flavor in pretty much all these Beyond sets, but they have to still balance the cards both for power and actual usability. Azula would cost a ridiculous amount with firebending AND menace AND haste AND first strike (let alone her built in fork). She'd cost so much no one would fucking play her. Like really, how many people have you ever seen play >>97030612 this fucker?
>>97032251>implying they wouldn't just Vivi her shit up and ban her 1 year later
Every single card in Avatar feels like a card they've already printed 3-5 times in the past few years holy fuck.Limited is so fucking boring now. How the hell have things gotten so bad.
I unironically think a newfag would place very highly on protour draft table using the data driven tools that exist nowadays
>>97032254>I unironically think a newfag would place very highly on protour draft table using the data driven tools that exist nowadaysPerfectly likely. Following the tools and getting a bit lucky with cracking bombs, you basically win every game at that point.
>>97031091>a blue FarewellFarewell, but people get a Food token for every card exiled. Now THAT'S mono-blue.
>>97032253I'm having fun on RW
>>97030245I'm going to go 2-3 with Boros Burn again today bros, wish me luck!
>>97032058it's earthbent land tho, like a manland
This card is so funny with Divide by Zero.>Respond to Thoughtseize by bouncing their Annex and making them discard it.It's also just a 1 mana counterspell that beats Dovin's Veto. I haven't had this much fun in Pioneer in a long time.
>>97032376>>Respond to Thoughtseize by bouncing their Annex and making them discard it.but what if they're not empty-handed?
>>97032376>I haven't had this much fun in Pioneer in a long time.People always say this shit when a set comes out
elves is good in pauper, i feel alive!
playpremodern
>>97030273Use a free client ya money mark.
>>97032256is piloting really that easy? i thought you'd have to know the meta enough to make the right plays.
>>97032728The meta doesn't really matter in draft. Most players don't know when to commit and when not to and that's the biggest diference.
>>97030981This is it 100%, a lot of started bringing their gfs/wives to play EDH but they rarely buy cards of their own and this is their attempt at getting them to also spend money.
>>97030245>TQI miss him so much bros...
>>97032134The day someone stifles my fucking Mishra's Factory will be a dark day indeed
>>97031055I've heard somewhere that Ormendahl is a reincarnation of Withengar after Saint Traft obliterated him.Is this real or just shizo babble?
>>97032782Was this even good? Has "wins draft and nothing else" vibe
>>97031005What sublety?
>>97032787Ormendahl was imprisoned in the Helvault so no, that doesn't make sense. The timeframes don't line up
>>97031005AVACYN'S COLLAR
>>97032058>tell me you have autism without telling me you have autism
>>97032728I'd say yes, removing bombs is pretty obvious and you're looking to play on curve
>>97032791Off the heels of Scars of Mirrodin, it was an occasional target for Naya Pod decks against black decks, since it could also be hit by Green Sun's Zenith. After SOM and Birds of Paradise left, the only mana dorks left were Avacyn's Pilgrim and Arbor Elf, so most of the decks that ran it were mono green stompy or Selesnya.
>>97032820That was 20 years ago, we bounced back for a while.
>>97030273$20 a set for 3400 gems to draft semi infinite for set duration is too much for you? eat less goyslop that's like skipping lunch once.
>>97030288>>97030316I use jump in events when they happen, and I seem to get far more useful rares and mythics than from drafting or wildcard farming.
>>97030833I notcied we haven't been getting as many 3/1 fliers at 3 mana lately. It's a lot of 2/3s and 1/4s Actually, I noticed statlines are less varied than ever before. Everything is either a bear, a bear with 3 power, or a bear with 3 toughness. On rare occasions there are 2/1s and 1/3s.
>>97032841bop still one of the greatest dorks of all time
>>97030881>Is this how X should look like?It's "is this what lorwyn should look like" esl
>>97032446>People always say this shit when a set comes outwell, yeah, because as bad rep as pioneer gets, when they print standard support for cards that are no longer in standard, pioneer is the place to explore that because if you go into modern or older, you get hit in the face with modern horizons cards
>>97030245>finally get enough wins to craft 1 (one) mythic rare wildcard to slap in my franken-starterdeck>immediately get placed against fast, powerful combos and lose 13 games in a rowAm I just bad? Or is the matchmaking really just rigged. Because I don't think you should be seeing top-meta decks with a starter deck plus one single mythic rare support card.
>>97032870It's impossible to draft infinite in 2025, maybe if you're pro but you're going 50/50 against everyone else who's using tools
>>97032934You're going to be playing against meta decks (or fully upgraded brews, at least) 90% of the time no matter how long on the ladder you are. This isn't some sort of RPG where you start with a starter deck and then slowly upgrade it bit by bit while facing increasingly stronger decks as you do so, you simply make up a list, whether it's netdecked or your own brew doesn't matter, and how craft it, that's it. And if you don't have the wildcards for it you simply grind starter deck duels or draft until you do.
>>97032134> belcher> premodern????????????????????????????????
>>97032894It's *the* greatest dork. Bar none
>>97032439Do you know what thoughtseize does?
>>97032984The controller of Thoughtseize makes the choice you bimbo.
>>97030295>What winrate do you need to go infinite?6-3. Doing it is easy with a bit of luck, but doing it repeatedly isn't likely to happen.
>>97033062and what's the winrate to be out of the hole on the rewards against the entry fee?
>>97032887You forgot the 3cmc 2/4 value engine.
>>97030295>>970330625-3 already gives you back more than the entry fee. 4-3 will have you at less 100 gems so it's still a good result
>>97033096True, but only on premier draft; every other draft format needs 6-3 or better.
I went Inifinite with Murders and MH3 but lost all my gold on Bloomburrow.
>>97033077Depends on how many rares and mythics you pick up, but 3-3 is fine.
Is Sealed worth it?
>>97030892Unironically this. My wife doesn't play but she likes looking at the cards when I deckbuild and as soon as the heckin' cats / dogs started showing up in sets she suddenly wanted a small collection of foil cards like that to have in a binder.
>>97033077If you include the cards you draft, 3-3.
>>97032196Seriously, turn down your god damn CFG setting. It isn't hard. Shit looks like plastic because you are overcooking the absolute fuck out of it.
>>97032253When you "have" to print 6+ sets a year you don't have time to do new / interesting / different designs, just new mechanic twist on card that already exists over and over.
>>97032887They want players to attack more. The number one thing new players struggle with is when to attack (because they over-value their life total).
>>97033172I know a few guys who make decent extra cash every month grinding out boxes in arena directs.
>>97033246That decent extra cash isn't decent outside Brazil, Pedro
>>>/mtgag/
>>97032728piloting is NOT that easy and top players punt every few games but your pattern recognition should lead you to realize that anon on 4chan will claim that he never misplays and a toddler could do it and the only reason he ever loses is the shuffler
>>97030693Manadork strategies are usually incosistent unless they have some kinda combo engine on top. Not to mention easily disruptable.Llanowar into archdruid was a thing forever and it doesn't break stuff.
Is it worth it to pay $71 for a copy of this arcane signet or should I just use the one I have and put that money towards groceries for my family for Thanksgiving?
>>97033670>>97031454
Just got to mythic with this brew.It's basically a toolbox deck and the T4 Beseech into Phoenix Fleet is pretty powerful.Most opponents missboard way too much graveyard removal too which doesn't hurt that much since the only gy cards are the 1of Timeline Culler and the Sephiroth and both aren't even useless with a RIP or Vaccuum in play.Not sure yet on the correct numbers for Tolls of War and Pursuit.Pursuit has been hit or miss so far, when it's good it's really fucking good, putting multiple +1/+1 counters on small creatures, giving lifelink and providing card adventage.But when you're behind it's total shit.Tolls of War has been pretty consistently good, getting free 1/1s every turn and it replacing itself is good value for the deck.Having a wrath in the main for the toolbox can hit some decks completely off-guard since they won't play around it vs another creature deck.
>>97033675I dunno what that EDH thread is, I'm here discussing Magic The Gathering.
>>97033695Ok but that's not a Magic The Gathering card.
>>97033695Then you should know paying $71 for a 2 mana artifact that doesn't do anything is not a good use of your money.
>>97033657Cub can be way more explosive, plus archdruid requires you to elfball whereas cub lets you play any big bombs.
>>97033670>Should I spend $70 on the foil le heckin chonkin kitty arcane signet, a card that's sub $1 normally
>>97033657>unless they have some kinda combo engine on top.... which this does thanks to Doc Aurlock, fyi
>Magic set design is now at the mercy of whatever autistic fixation Gavin has at that moment>”Hurr durr now I want to make Clair Obscure 33 for more FF autism yayyy durrrr”Please somebody kill this autist
>>97033735Well I guess I'm sold.
>>97033743Asking for crossovers on social media is a sign of the impending death spiral. Blizzard had this happen too with Overwatch where they openly begged for appearances in Fortnite and Smash Bros.
>>97033759And that's a good thing.
>>97033743I would 100% CONSOOOOOM a Touhou secret layer without second thought, I would eat that slop harder than Reimus pits
>>97033919You wouldn't be able to get it on time, secret lair is a product for scalpers.
>>97034002Scalpers were slacking on this Avatar shit, I got a box of the collector boosters off Amazon for like $460 yesterday.
>>97034057They (mostly) learned their lesson after getting burned by Spider-Man.
>>97034057The reason Spiderman did so poorly was they didn't put enough cards in the eternal legal sheet that depicted black women, or lgbtq values. I hope they learn their lesson when lorwyn is released.
How does she get away with it?
