>Previous thread:>>97039120>What is /awg/?A thread to talk about minis and games which fall between the cracks, or peoples' homebrew wargames.The >>>/tg/hwg thread doesn't entertain fantasy (for good reason) and the other threads are locked to more specific games.This thread isn't tied to a game, a publisher, or a genre, let's just talk about fun wargames. Any scale, any company, any miniatures.>Examples of games that qualify.A Song of Ice and Fire, Argatoria, Batman Miniature Game, Carnevale, Conquest: The Last Argument of Kings,Deadzone, Dragon Rampant, Dropfleet and Dropzone Commander, Freebooter's Fate, Frostgrave, Gaslands, Judge Dredd,HeroClix, Kings of War, Maelstrom's Edge, Malifaux, Marvel Crisis Protocol, Masters of the Universe: Battleground, Moonstone,Oathmark, OnePageRules, Open Combat, RelicBlade, Rumbleslam, StarCraft, Stargrave, Sludge, Urban War, Void,Warcaster, Warmachine, Xenos Rampant, Xenotactics......and anything else that doesn't necessarily have a dedicated thread.>Examples of companies providing rules and/or miniatures for alternative wargames.Archon Studio, Atomic Mass Games, Black Site Studios, CMON, Mantic, North Star Military Figures,OnePageRules, Osprey, Para Bellum, Seb Games, Spellcrow, TTCombat, Victrix, Wargames Atlantic, Warlord Games......and many other publishers.>Places to get minis; Updates to the minis list are welcome.https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D2DbNJ2mYAUxh5P9Pq9NZqS5tXHGn0i2JhZchEwbA2I/edithttps://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/373197.page>Novice Troves, meant to serve as a sampler of available systems. Check out the Share Thread for up-to-date troves.https://pastebin.com/MjtsC8AXhttps://mega.nz/#F!zSYW0I4a!vXh8-UPi_tWXpJES_-p4zg>TQGetting yourself anything fancy for Christmas?
>>97105453Got myself a Coftyr Command box for Quar and an "Orc"starter box for Argatoria. Never painted 10mm models before. I kind of hyped.Old Coftyr squad repost.
>>97105453>>97105498Love these little guys. I don't know a single person that would ever play it though.
>>97105504Play?
>>97105525It's when you pick them up and zoom them around making airplane noises.
>>97105453No, not for Christmas specifically. I ordered some italeri bunkers and a tablecloth, along with the 2nd edition of dragon rampant. Hope I'll be able to do some fantasy wargaming with my son too.What are you working on now? I've this vision of a fantasy barbarian army based on victrix models. I also ordered some conquest old Dominion Varangians because I think they'll make for neat monstrous infantry for 28mm games.
>>97105453Played Xenos Rampant for the first time at the weekend. Very fun system once you get the rules going, heavy infantry felt a little underpowered though. Pic is of my beserkers swarming said heavies in a tower>tqMaybe my trench crusade mini pre order that was meant to arrive in september will come soon
>>97105764Yeah, there's no difference in firepower between heavy and light infantry, except heavies are more consistent with it. In my experience heavy weapons are more effective than AP weapons, though it might be because I'm typically firing at elite infantry.
Who makes GW style 25 bases? I don't feel like paying them at gold priceShould I just get them from Aliexpress?
>>97105958You can get the exact same ones on amazon.
>>97105958Legit, Citadel as you say, or a lot of miniature companies use D&G Ltd who make bases very similar to GW's 25mm slottas but the bevel is very very slightly different.The Chinese ones with just a small rough circle in the underside like my pic, need a little filing around the bottom rim normally.I use Wargame Base World and get 100 bags of 25mm, 28.5mm, 32mm, 40mm roundsI have basing autism so have thought a lot about it. Other people just do whatever and paint way more stuff than I.
>>97105958aliexpress has them.I recall that a few years ago I bough over a 500 of them for like 10 dollars including shipping.
>>97105958GW bases resist paint stripper quite well, Chinese ebay bases start turning to goop within hours.
Painted up some mechs for MAC Attack. I’ve really been enjoying the ruleset. It scratches the big robot itch in a very tight, efficient game and even includes some infantry/vehicle/artillery options. The main issue we have is the random objective system. While I totally support random objectives to keep the game fresh and to encourage well-balanced lists, you can roll yourself into a basically impossible win condition pretty easily. You designate your mechs into squads before generating deployment/objectives. If you happen to have 1 mech in Squad A, and your objective is to get one mech from Squad A across the entire table, then your opponent can basically ignore their objective and just thrash your one mech to win by default. It’s fun to play tough games, but we’ve had more than a few of them basically decided before deployment.Still, it does nearly everything I want a big robot game to do without being a slog. Would recommend.
What models should I use to represent mercenaries/renegade Germans hunting artifacts in Central Asia between the wars? General stereotype here can be the leader. WW1 Germans mixed with White Russians and Chinese warlord troops?
>>97105504I can't stand what quar look like. I saw a helmetless model and it looked slightly better with it's eyes exposed.
>OPR releases a rules tweek >Your army lists are all fucked at once for several different game systems >This happens every few weeks I don't like it
>>97107849This is why rulesets that only get updated once every 10+ years are the best ones.
>>97107849OPR and GW games with their constant tinkering can suck a fat one tbqh
>>97107849I hear the community has gone to complete shit
>>97107927Tell me more, I'm curious
>>97107849Yeah, not happy at all that my main list is suddenly fucking skewed. 3.0 was not nearly this bad outside of the scheduled "patches".>>97107927Apparently the Discord is a tourneyfag echo chamber demanding everything either is generic and equally the same, or demanding their pet armies buffed to hell. The subreddit has a lot of complaints, the Telegram group is mostly quiet and the local scene is grim.
>>97107944>tourneyfag echo chamberWeird, the people who got me into OPR are "28 community" players who are all the biggest narrativefags alive. I like it because I can use my GW models/lore (sorry /awg/!) with a much more permissive ruleset that seems amenable to conversions and weird equipment choices and such. I can see tourney """"people"""" liking the simplicity, but they shouldn't be catered to imo, or you lose soul quick.
>>97107939>>97107927Yeah please expand I read on the specialist thread that they started adding lore to OPR fucking lol and this lore is some how related to female custodes for some fucking reason?
Finished up those zone raiders for raiding zones. Debating what team to use them as exactly, but leaning reclaimers for the militant focus and banner rules.
>>97107944>>97107991discords ruin everything they touchand the people that sit and circlejerk in them all day should be launched into space to save the rest of us
>>97105958>Should I just get them from Aliexpress?Of course. Or Temu.>>97105977Its the ones from Aliexpress + tip for Amazon + markup for the reseller. (same with the ones on ebay). If Aliexpress is not am option, then yes. Otherwise you'd be an idiot to buy from a middleman and pay him too.
>>97108184Nice Grineer.
>>97107991Tell that to the dude(s) in charge. They seem determined to listen to the Discord and tourney players only, despite most people enjoying the game for letting them use their collections and the fact that the game has players active the entire match.Narrative OPR is peak, but everything is turning more and more into modern 40k from what I've seen in my own and games I watched. >>97108174The "lore" is pretty bad. OPR is doing this thing where they are doing most armies/forces as 99-100% complete opposites to GW lore, not sure if for legal reasons or just because the "lore" writers are unimaginative, but it is beginning to leak into the actual games, with OPR "Lore" changing armies - like Dwarves in Fantasy. >>97108186No argument there.
>>97108247Why the fuck would you listen to tournamentfags. Specially when you are not selling them models and your rules are "free"What is this insanity?!
>>97108198Damn straight, anon.
>>97108265I wish I could tell you why. I have a weird suspicion that there will be a new push for OPR minis to be used exclusively more and more in the future. Feels like OPR is trying to sprint to a bad ending by doing everything possibly wrong for the game and community.
>>97108184Sick work anon, I spy the Alternative Armies Cyborg, he's a chunky boy
>>97108184really great jobI really enjoyed watching the progress of these
>>97108282Basically what has happened with Kings of War, which is now basically the UK's equivalent of Warmahordes but with large square bases
>>97108331According to the multiple OPR Rangers in my local community and greater region, there is a big push for an "OPR Ecosystem" that has been the goal ever since the new plastic starter box succeeded. OPR has hit a weird point where it is no longer alt-GW but suddenly wants to be a new and unique thing that is monetizable.
>>97108379The cool thing about OPR was the setting and model agnostic thing.Remove that and you are kind of missing the point of OPR.God I'm getting old, I just want to buy a product and for the company to stop messing with it after I buy it for fuck sake.
>>97108379>no longer alt-GW but suddenly wants to be [regular GW]
>>97108410The setting was great because it was so vague that you could /yourdudes/ any way you wanted. Now it is being forced into either GW cloned lore or the absolute opposite, anti-GW lore for copyright and legal reasons. Model agnostic is great, but the army updates dropping tons of units time and time again is getting old for many people.
>>97107667They're just lil wormy guys.
>>97108580I found a random old metal miniature of Worm Hitler on eBay last night.
>>97108435>dropping tons of unitsAre they getting outright deleted? Insane. You could build a list and not have it be valid by the time you're done. Man, there's a reason I love dead rulesets.
>>97108801One of the reason why group dropped current 40k, move to OPR and then went back to 40k 3rd/4th since well we already had the armies.Mother fuckers changed rules faster than we had time to build, paint and play with our current armies.
this is such insane echo-chamber bullshit, it has pushed me over the edge to actually make a post>>97107849OPR has always made two updates when a new edition is released, the initial edition push, and then a month later a patch to fix any issues with the books/calculator, and after that it stays frozen for an entire year>>97107944the developers literally added a shitton of new rules and upgrades to make everything less generic and equally the same, which goes against what the tourneyfags want, and is pushing the game to be more narrative than ever>>97107991don't listen to that raging faggot, OPR is still very much a narrative game, he's just on some fucking irate rant>>97108247when a new army is released they change the names of a few units, and usually add more new units, so the idea of "OPR lore changing armies" as a bad thing is insane. also the developers have already stated that they're working on a way to strip away all the OPR lore names for faggot like you who flip their shit when "stone golem" is renamed to "coal golem"
>>97108282there is nothing about OPR minis being used exclusively more, and they actually keep adding more and more systems to the custom builder so people can be even more inventive with using their own minis. again, you're a faggot>>97108379"OPR ecosystem" - what the fuck does that even mean? your statement makes even less sense when you consider that the new plastic box was literally funded just a month ago and there has been no push for anything>>97108435what units were dropped time and time again? what the fuck are you talking about? they literally added half a dozen new units with the latest edition. again, incredibly faggoted>>97108801nothing like that is happening, this guy is just retardedgod I miss the days when /awg/ was just a bunch of regular fa/tg/uys having fun, instead of idiots treating it like their personal reddit blog
>>97108184very cool the robed guys are pig iron, right? I was really considering nabbing some of them on their last sale
>>97108580I thought they were just World War Wombles.
Do I believe the anti-OPR sperg or the OPR sperg now?
>>97109005I am OPR-sperg. anti-OPR sperg is probably just a faggot who doesn't like change or the idea that OPR is successful now, so he's just making shit up. everything that I am stating are actual verifiable facts by contrast. some people just have a personal vendetta against OPR, and whilst I understand not liking the system, I think it's retarded to just come on here and lie out of boredom or whatever
>>97107849That's why I only play games where the rules update when I have a new book in my hands.
>>97109005Believe is nobody but yourself.
>>97107868I've never seen these sculpts look good before, well done anon.
>>97109005>>97109141Believe in me when I believe in yourself!
This Italian motherfucker has been gouging people on eBay with his trove of rare wz minis since last year at least. This seems to only be a recast of a forge world original but look at the price. All his shit's overpriced like this. What a puto penne bastardo.
>>97109525Why would anyone pay for this garbage? The quality is so shit and design so messy that you could just make this yourself using milliput or something.
>>97108962>>97108974Whoa! Sounds like they’re having an O-P-Argument!
>>97109604Get in the fucking van, Carlos.>>97108410>>97108435This is my biggest gripe with OPR, that it have turned into 40k/AoS with just the serial number filed off. I don't want to ape GW factions when building my army.>TQBought a pile of Warpath stuff at 50% off during Black Friday. Going to use it with Xenos Rampant.
>>97109736>turned intoDidn't it start out as quite literally "one page Warhammer" and genericise later for legal reasons? If anything they're getting more agnostic.
>>97108980Aye, that'd be them. Hoping to get something going in the next couple months after some other /awg/ games I'm in wrap up/wind down.
>>97108331>Basically what has happened with Kings of WarCan I get a more detailed rundown on what has happened to Kings of War/the Kings of War community?
>>97108331New edition of KoW that popular?
>>97110082While not who you were replying to, they deleted a sizable chunk of most armies. Metal stuff is gone shop-wide. Prices are close to GW now as well.
>>97110215>they deleted a sizable chunk of most armiesPerhaps it is just them updating models?>metal stuff is gone shop-wideI am not surprised as metal has gone up in price if I recall correctly.>prices are close to GW now as wellThat's very disappointing. Is it inevitable that all alternative producers of minis eventually reach GW tier pricing?
>>97110285Not him nor KoW player, but updating models plays part in it, but not their main motivator as they are also combining armies into a more digestible and marketable sizes as part of their new edition launch. For example they had free dwarves and main dwarves as separate armies, which used almost entirely same model range, and combined them into just dwarves. Or their dark elf proxy and nightstalkers combined into one army instead of simply being allies that freely taken units from each other. >Is it inevitable that all alternative producers of minis eventually reach GW tier pricing?Seems like it, unless people want to just run at a loss or operate out of their basement for the love of the hobby.
>>97105453>alternative war gamesmore like alternative whore games.
>>97110456I'll show you alternative>Unzips cock
>>97106996>If you happen to have 1 mech in Squad A, and your objective is to get one mech from Squad A across the entire table, then your opponent can basically ignore their objective and just thrash your one mech to win by default. It’s fun to play tough games, but we’ve had more than a few of them basically decided before deployment.Consider checking out Heavy Gear. It uses a "point buy" system for objectives. Where you need a certain amount of them depending on the size of the battle and get Victory Points for each of them. You need to both fulfill your own objectives and stop the opponent from doing his - it's entirely possible for both sides to not get a single VP or get all VP and still end in a draw.
>>97105453Hey, I'm painting these guys up now. Quar related, has anyone ordered the Coftyran tractor from WGA? Quar is so fucking charming, I want to collect all of the upcoming armies.
>>97107575Hitler took over in 33, and the German army uniforms rolled out around 36. So world war I uniforms would be the standard unless you're going for late interwar era. I guess it depends on whether you want them to be Germans or Nazi Germans.
>>97109525It works because retards are paying those prices.
>>97110682Does it though? There are plenty of miniatures listed that are at prices no sane person will pay for that sit on ebay for years unbought.
>>97105504>hey, do you want to play 40k?>sure!>cool ill set up a table. See you tomorrow.Guy arrives>too bad i forgot my 40k stuff at home but fortunately there is a fully set up board and two painted quar warbands right in front of us.Works with every time.
>>97111459devilish
>>97111459Fuck, I wanna get tinder and catfish women into playing Quars with me.
>>97111510I used to pay university women to dress up and play dark heresy with me. Had the books, had the money and time, but living away from friends.At least a few wished it was just paid sex, but a couple actually enjoyed the experience.
>>97111567>I used to pay university women to dress up and play dark heresy with meNot even the Spanish Inquisition could've tortured that information out of me.
>>97111567>I used to pay university women to dress up and play dark heresy with me.https://youtu.be/wf9k3heENYc?si=veVvkQJK2uOCJyBR
>>97111567d-dress up...?>>97111563who are those dudes with the long rods?
>>97111567Absolute hero.
>>97111587Yes dress up, as in wearing whatever dumb skimpy outfit I found funny.>who are those dudes with the long rods?They seem to be a conversion, the head are those drone things from the GW blackstone fortress boardgame
>>97108435>he setting was great because it was so vague that you could /yourdudes/ any way you wantedthis sounds like aos.
>>97111587>who are those dudes with the long rods?as >>97111831 says they use the Spindle Drone heads with various robed bodieshttps://magpieandoldlead.blogspot.com/search/label/T%27Sul
>>97111831>>97111894neat, thanks
