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what's your fav Capellan mech?
To become dezgra .... is to lose izzat in the eyes of the Clans
>>97150054The one that's lying on the ground with its cockpit shot out.
Blakist girl should ultimately end up with her limbs severed and stuck in a protomech or as a Manei Domini
>>97150054Remember - the Kuritas are the ones that design all small arms with bayonet charges in mind. Even the rocket launchers.The Cappies are the Fu Manchu Comblock. They shoot you with invisible death rays from the trees and bushes.
>>97150054I genuinely like the Vindicator as far as troopers go, but my favorite Cappie mech is definitely the Pillager.It looks rad as fuck.
>>97150284No, she's got a heated rivalry with Manei Domini girl. Removing the big distinction between them would be silly
>>97150284>>97150574Careful, the Blakist girl guy doesn't like nuggets for some unfathomable reason, but let's respect his wishes. I don't even think we got a canonical look for MD gal.
My first game of Hinterlands had me falling on my heavy mech’s right side, rolling a 2 for through armor, then a 12 for 3 crits. My hammerhands is gone, and his pilot will spend months recovering from his 4 wounds. I both hate and love this game.
>>97150740BattleTech moment
>>97150054I like the Raven 2X and Cataphract 2X
>>97150054I just think it looks neat plus love really big gauss rifles, simple as.
>>97150740I was just doing a practice game by myself one time, and my SUPERIOR CLAN PILOT slipped on some rubble with his Nova, fell down, hit his head and went unconscious. This was the first turn of the game.
>>97150054Raven and Catapult are some of my favorite mechs, despite not particularly liking Capellans themselves (purple burd stronk!)
>>97150054The Lyran in me says the one he just pumped several shells and plasma bolts into.The Mercenary inside that Lyran says the Capellans are nice and alright now and then. The Cossack. Just look at this guy. He's the perfect Mook Mech. He's like a little tin soldier whose best friend is the Kabuto.
>>97150054The Catapult is a classic that's usually associated with the Capellans (unless we're talking the K variants). However a distinctly Capellan mech that I like is the Lao Hu. The TRO art and metal mini look great. Mechanically, having an LB-20x on a 5/8 mech is my jam.>>97150164Based. This is how my mercenary company salvaged their Lao Hu.
>>97150657I like chicken nuggets, not people nuggets. Shits just sad. Besides, never really liked the rivalry idea. Kinda felt forced. Besides, Blakist Thread's over, let's talk about the St. Ives and Capellans.
>>97150977I wish this had 2 medium lasers instead of 1 med and two smalls
>>97150054ol' reliable
>>97151030I wish it was five times heavier to have two Mediums and two Smalls.
>>97151043Tons*
>>97150054After discovering the Wraith is also for the FWL, i can't help but love it
>>97151080Isn't the Wraith primarily a FWL mech?
>>97151097Yeah, but it gets moved to primarily Cappie production
Who is your favorite Battletech artist? Mine is a tie so far between Brian Snoddy, the guy who drew the Cossack, and Duane Loose, the guy who drew nearly the vast majority of early Battletech art, like the Shadow Hawk.
>>97151285Easily Matthew Plog. He's the reason TRO 3055 Upgrade is my favorite. He's still doing Battletech art too under commission via his Deviantart page. picrelI've always wanted to commission him, but I bet it's well beyond my means.
>>97151472I don't know who Number 1 is but he's definitely Number 2.
Marauder that replaces the PPCs with large lasers and upgrades the AC/5 to an AC/10, eliminates the medium lasers to add another ton of ammo and upgrade the armor. Dead simple range bands, no minimum ranges, and a gentler heat curve. How come it never happened?
>>97151585A backhanded way of calling him SHIT I see? kek.Jokes aside, who is in the race for #1 for you? (Assuming you aren't >>97151285)
>>97151285It's hard to decide between plog and flying debris, I think I like flying debris a little more.He does a really good job of updating designs while usually keeping them faithful to the original art, though the constraints of being designed for MWO doesn't always entirely allow this. It's at least nice that his designs avoid the toy-like proportions and texturing that so often afflicts the CGL designs.I suppose spooky777 could be considered a battletech artist, I rather like him as well.
>>97150054The main one. (3020s at least)
>>97151636Because the 3M preferred to have more heat sinks.
The Death Commandos are unironically one of the coolest parts of the setting.
>>97151658That is me. :y like I said I can't decide. Matt Plog is number 2, and Iglesias 3.
>>97151740Postin my Death Commandos
>>97151636During the Succession Wars, apart from a few rare examples, most houses lacked techs good enough to do such modifications, so everyone used either the remaining stockpiles from earlier times, standard mechs repaired with standard salvaged parts, or the few standard designs that were still being made by the few remaining factories. It wasnt helped by Comstar spending centuries killing off experts and burning databases in an attempt to reduce all the Houses to an easily controlled low tech state. It was only after the recovery of the Helm Memory Core that everyone started fiddling with the designs wholescale again. This doesnt rule out a mad tech or pirate somewhere attempting your design somewhere though, but (using the Mechwarrior RPG skill rolls) that would mean A LOT of successful repair and modification roles just to get it working right. Mess one up and you broke your mech and the bit you are trying to jam into it.Later periods/IP owners/computer game lore have a much more relaxed approach to what the game originally did though, so pick a period, design the mech and use it you games if you want. It isnt like this is GW where you can only use stuff they publish. If it's legal under the mech design rules, it's a valid mech to use.
>>97151830I don't see a single Stone Rhino or Kodiak. Not even a Mad Cat. Are you sure those are Death Commandos?
Postin my City Defence Lance, The Trolls. Here decorated in their regimental colours.
>>97151990>Captain, four enemy mechs at 12 o clock!>Where?! All I see are the LGBT Bushes!
Some objective counters I made to use in games a while back in 3rd Succession War scavanging raids. The scrap was valuble spare parts that both lances were fighting over. We ruled that the scrap could be dragged by a mech with a hand at half speed. The pigs were for another raid - the pigs moved D3 hexes from the nearest mech, the winner was the side that managed to herd the most pig herds off their side of the board. Mmmm, cooked ham for the winner!
>>97151830Nice use of semi gloss, they are stood on lava and it looks like they are sweating. "Oil up and hit the Beach!"
>>97150054Catapult C4C, the greatest or all catapults
>>97152047>The pigs were for another raid - the pigs moved D3 hexes from the nearest mech, the winner was the side that managed to herd the most pig herds off their side of the board. Mmmm, cooked ham for the winner!Peak Pork!
Have they said anything about a clan vehicles box? With the Horsie focus in Hinterlands, it would make sense.
>>97151830'luv me Victor. Nice lance.
>>97152201Delayed until 3rd quarter of 3051. You're getting more alternate universe box sets and you're going to like it.
>>97150977Who copied who first between this, the Kabuto and the Eagle>>97150054Probably the Wraith. Purple Burd I know but its firmly considered a Capellan mech.
>>97151472Hes $50+ for a good black and white drawing with mechs fighting youre looking 60 to 80 last I looked.
>>97151699Much as I appreciate his legacy to this generals memes dudes recent works have been making the mechs playskool chunky like theyre trying to prevent a choking hazard
>>97152047Didn't someone here made 'cattle run' or something similar scenario a while ago? Damnit I should've saved it
>>97153210That was me. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rdPyCDjkzFDBSsxMVflb3F_aOc3fC6E_0vHOYNdxe0M/edit?usp=sharing
>>97153210>>97153267My group also did a Hell's Horse Heist.
>>97150996>tfw your MD gf wears the special prosthetics to bedYou realize they aren't just in the cockpit forever right? It's not 40k dreadnaughts. >>97151118what the fuck
>>97153618The company went bankrupt after the Regulans blew up the world they were manufacturing things on with cobalt laced nukes. Some cappie company picked up the Wraith.
>>97151041Why did it get SO redesigned?
>>97153618Look man, you can have a MD girl and all that jazz, that stuff is cool from a story perspective but it's not my cup of tea.
>>97152906Is that good or bad? I have no baseline for online art commissions
>>97152906$50? Holy shit that is way less than I thought. I'll have to put some money away. Maybe I could ask him to draw Yoshabel, see how an actual artist would depict her...
>>971537491) It has a bunch of parts from the old Macross artwork.2) It's ugly as hell.
>>97151285I really like Plog, generally like everything he's done, he's probably my favorite. Shimmy is alright and I like most of the redesigns he's done but I understand (and agree) with the criticisms against him (Greebles fucking everywhere, and all of his designs looking like they came from the same manufacturer) and he seems like he's turned into a bit of a dick now that he's popular. Did Snoddy do the classic Atlas 'pose' drawing? Because I love that particular drawing too.
>>97153951But why to the point where it has no resemblance?Marauder still looks like Glaug, Cataphract looks...not like the first version.
>>97153937Plog's drawings of people are hit or miss example the drawing of the sunbathing kurita pilot who's eyes are so far a part it'd take a Locust 2 turns to transit it>>97153841Average for anonline commission but for an accomplished artist like him its a bargain.
>>97150045how long did the St. Ives SMO last again?
>>97150164Where did the "backstabbing" meme come from? Only ever heard it on Tex Talks BattleTech but I don't get who they supposedly stabbed in the back.
>>97154272Everyone.Its a bit of a meme as (to their credit) the Cappies have had to typically play smart with their forces in order to pull off successful defensive operations against overwhelming force because their leaders have (typically) been complete lunatics with a poor grasp on reality. Max Liao was Berlin Bunker Hitler tier before Romano finally decided to retire him, and she wasn't much better. This is all 4th succession war, they got better during Sun Tzu and all that magical peoples spirit handwavium. In addition to this, them being huge proponents of stealth armor has led to them having a reputation of being sneaky shitbags... that like to backstab people.
>>97154272they started the pentagon wars destroying kerensky's plan and paving the way for MUH BATCHALL DESGRA REEEEE autism because they couldn't contain their faggotry
>>97154436>EveryoneLike who?>>97154449>they started the pentagon warsThey were SLDF then, not Capellans. And literally everyone joined in because Kerensky's plan was retarded and they'd abandoned the Hegemony and Star League.
>>97154521you can't debate with texfagsthey don't actually read the fluff, they just go off his star league-sucking memes
>>97154272For most of its history, CCAF typically had less equipment and less heavy equipment than its peers. It was typically led by madmen and political commissars who were more concerned about saving face and not getting executed. So to even have a chance of existing, the CCAF leaned hard into force multipliers, traps, and cunning strategies to keep their enemies off-balance and fighting each other. They also relied heavily on political subterfuge and recruiting mercenaries to help plug holes. Their citizens are also fanatically loyal on account of the propaganda, so you're looking at long term insurgencies.So, your average encounter with the CCAF is going to be targeted artillery strikes on your supplies, mined cities, false retreats/surrenders, and guerrilla warfare. In later eras, this is going to include more tricks like stealth mechs, advanced EWAR suites like the Angel ECM, and the horror that is the Plasma Rifle.Tl;dr The CCAF doesn't fight fair because they can't afford to. Hence, the backstabbing part.
>>97152940The relatively recent MWO dasher looks way sleeker than the CGL dasher.
>>97154521>They were SLDF then, not CapellansThey were Capellans in the SLDF you pedantic nigger and they got the ball rolling first which counts for something, you asked for examples that fueled the meme not a lore debateClearly you know the answer and were just baiting for an argument
>>97154619>Clearly you know the answer and were just baiting for an argument
>>97150045I cannot wait for more mini models and I don't have a 3D printer. Could I substitute generic tanks, armor, and infantry with those I found from GHQ? A T-90 for a Scorpion, M113 for a APC, a Hind for generic helicopters, etc.?
>>97152309How many do you have?
>>97155005Just two currently, but I was thinking of buying another for my newest mercs. It is my second favorite 3025 assault and in my top ten - probably top five mechs.
I hacked together a nicer recordsheet for my IlClan Affordably Priced Automobile(tm). Figured I'd slap it up here. I don't know if the guy who was making these full-art record sheets is still doing them...
Is the rules for mongrelizing mechs? I was wondering can you replace the PPC on a warhammer with the forearm and fist from another mech?
>>97155049Neat.
>>97155069Mechs can be customized, yes. It's a core concept of the game. Also, rules for frankenmechs exist.
>>97155069Making Frankenmechs is always fun. Even if they might not see the board over fears of WAACfaggin'
>>97155221I thought the problem with frankenmechs was their creation rules were a bit wonky when if you were already allowing or using customs you could just change the loadout on a chassis.I can't say I know for sure, I don't think I've ever read the rules on them.I do agree though, slapping together parts is fun.
>>97155233The only problem with frankenmechs over regular customization is that you have to do a lot of rounding and compartmentalizing. The CT determines the actual target weight of the unit for the purposes of overall armor maximums and how fast you go from what engine, but each body part has its own structure weight and original amount of internal structure pips. It's mostly just "round whichever way sucks the most for you", but it is more math.
>>97153618>>97153644The best part is that the FWL still gets the Cappie made Wraiths
>>97155005>You know what I need more of?>A giant, underarmored jumping hunchback>Let's order three!The Gauss variants are the only good ones, and only because you need to wake up really early in the morning to fuck up a Gauss carrier.
>>97155221Thanks, I hate it.
>>97153951Which is the point. It is supposed to be made up of other mechs. The current Cataphract looks nothing like its components. I don't think the legs are the same even in the CGL design?
>>97155555Any examples of a fucked up gauss carrier?
How absurd is the mech repair bay in Mechwarrior games?
So did the old issues of Mech Mag ever get uploaded? The obvious places have like a total of one issue, the same one all year
>>97155622Fahad can be a miracle worker
>>97155622They're doing something that would take hours at best in a few seconds.
>>97155622They're a gameplay contrivance. Normally fixing a mech takes hours days, not seconds.
>>97155049Heat sinks can be alongside the actual heat scale including crits. A lot of wasted space for generic tables. Including the damage flowchart.Im general anything that is universal has no reason to be on the record sheet or at best on the backside of the sheet. If you dont mark on it, theres no reason to put it. Having a much larger graphic of the mech and overpaying armor and internals is good though.
>>97155555>The Gauss variants are the only good ones, and only because you need to wake up really early in the morning to fuck up a Gauss carrier.And the gauss victors STILL almost fuck it up>>97155622>How absurd is the mech repair bay in Mechwarrior games?Fahad can rebuild an omnimech from a scrap of right torso that's like rebuilding a modern warship from an ammo compartment and a chunk of the engine left over. All in a matter of days. It's insane.
>>97155698>Gauss>VictorThe Victor shouldn't be a sniper. It should have something good for close range fire as its main gun.
>>97155555Stop hating on my guy, the Victor is cool
>>97155555Quints of truth.Sorry, Victor ;_;
>>97155614I mean, the Hollander isn't great.
>>97155684I made it to match a set I found online (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/18chMT5KQApwqgA6UbEZ4ZfwPO2lyJK7C)Some of it isn't optimal, but I want them single-sided because I keep them in ring binders with clear plastic pockets for dry erase.
Imagine if they continued development of the super griffin and super wasp
>>97155840>200 ton ultrawasp when
>>97155849>200 ton ultrawasp whenHow many medium lasers with its emotional support srm-2 does that work out to being?
>>97155849For the Dracs
>>97155849I'll go check.
>>97155849We'd be reaching super robot levels with that one. It'd be too beautiful for BT to handle
>>97155849>>97155840>>97155861>>97155891>The logical conclusion of all things Wasp, the Ultrawasp is a 200 ton behemoth. Limited to a glacial speed of 20 kilometers an hour, the Ultrawasp's sixty tons of hardened armor masses as much as three lesser wasps. Its armament echoes its original inspiration, pairing a RISC Hyper Laser with a pair of Thunderbolt 20s. To allow it to fulfill its scouting duties, the Ultrawasp carries a TAG and a Guardian ECM suit, much like the Wasp 3S it was inspired by.
Behold. The Mega Ultra Wasp.200 Tons of pure Draconis Might.A 2/3/0 movement profile.37.5 Tons of Glorious Kuritan Standard Star shield.36 Of the Coordinator's favorite Victory 23E ER Medium Lasers.8 Guided Technologies 3rd Gen Emotional Support Streak SRM-2s with 10 tons of Emotional Support Ammunition, safely stored in the legs, torso, and under the pilot's chair, for when both arms are destroyed their heat gauge is redlining, they can gloriously charge down the enemy and let loose the force of the Coordinator's wrath.To keep this blistering array cool, ten Double Heat Sinks ensure the pilot can fire the amount of times as instructed by his commander, one, before the 190 heat overwhelms him and he becomes Very Honorubu™.
>>97155944>>97155994No C3?The real Drac thing would be to leave it with SHS
Not too fond of the marauder II
>>97156062And give it Ballistic-Reinforced Armor.
>>97156132Yeah, not huge on it either, but it's actually quite good in 3025. On a sustained basis, it has a decent amount more firepower than the Marauder, and carries significantly more armor. 3/5/3 isn't that much less mobile than 4/6/0 some of the time.Still, it just rubs me wrong.On the other hand, without the Marauder II we wouldn't be able to have a Marauder IIC and a Marauder II C.Sadly, no Marauder C II yet
>>97156231The next wave of retcons should give us the Marauder II IIC as a consolation prize. If you can IIC a Jenner, you can IIC a Marauder II.
>>97150054I do love the Vindi.
Is layout and editing that hard and time-consuming?
>>97156579Yeah, layout is actually the biggest bottleneck in production. Getting stuff to look decent is easy enough, but getting stuff to look good and look consistent with other CGL stuff is a lot harder.Personally I just wouldn't have done layout for the playtest and just posted black and white text docs, but CGL didn't ask me.
>>97154573>The CCAF doesn't fight fair because they can't afford to. Hence, the backstabbing part.So the Capellans are "backstabbers" for being clever on the battlefield when making up for their materiel and manpower shortages in the face of larger, wealthier, and better equipped enemies, but when the FedSuns get a spy into the Capellan government and uses their influence to bribe a provincial official into rebellion against the Capellans, and then invites Maximillian Liao to Hanse Davion's wedding just so they can declare war on the CapCon while Max is eating cake on Terra, it's just the FedSuns being "clever".I think I see what's happening here...
>>97155994Put SRM ammo in the arms and side torsos too and it will be perfect.
>>97156594And really, why was Hanse so mad? Who among us has not kidnapped someone in order to replace them with a brainwashed body double and torture the original slowly to death?
>>97156649I think we can at least agree that ComStar was completely innocent and had nothing to do with any of this.
Think Lincoln Osis ever had a Nigga Moment?
>>97156132I like the heavy gauss model its different enough from the other mostly bland ones. The marian rocket spam is as fun as always as well but the longbow is funnier so I'd rather use that.
>>97156748Isn't that like... his entire career?
>>97156748>"Webster defines the 'nigga moment' as a moment when ignorance overwhelms the mind of an otherwise logical Negro male. Causing him to act in an illogical, self-destructive manner... i.e. like a nigga".As a Smoke Jaguar Osis was never "otherwise logical.
>>97152906Fug, didn't realize it was so cheap. Going to hit him up. I just assumed it was at least triple that.
>>97156748The man was a Smoke Jaguar. The entire clan was powered by nigga moments.
>>97154943>Could I substituteYes.
>>97154943My guy, you can draw an arrow on a piece of tape and stick it to an old button. As long as the front is labelled and it's clear which tokens go to each record sheet you are good to go.
>>97156594By the law of izzat the Capellans are entirely at fault for letting a former FedSuns employee become a critical head of their intelligence service just because he dedicated a few matches in Solaris to the celestial throne.
>>97156579>Is layout and editing that hard and time-consuming?To do stuff at a professional level? 1-3 hours per page between edit and layout is a good shorthand for billing rates. There's a lot more that goes into editing than just running a spellcheck, and there's a *lot* more that goes into layout than copypasting text over a template. And at the very least, once you have finished the edit, you lay the project aside and come back to it after 5-7 days, to look at it again with fresher eyes.Hell, even the HM,WT ruleset I posted last thread, which is literally just 1-column text and some images pasted into Word, took a bit more than 10 hours to do a single editing pass and the simplest possible layout work.I collected and submitted the player-driven FAQ stuff for Levs last week, and they just have to copy the questions, type an answer, and lay them out into a template, and I don't expect a published product until mid-January.
>>97154619>they got the ball rolling first which counts for somethingNTA but did they actually? Because I did watch the same textalk, but he is doing a character and it's never entirely accurate because Tex the narrator is supposed to be an in-universe historian with a bias.Meanwhile reading the lore directly implies it was general tension across great house nationalities. Like, reading up on Franklin Osis, who founded Clan Smoke Jaguar, a lot of his backstory implied the Fed Suns residents' youth were forming gangs and attacking Cappie neighborhoods and businesses independent of any attacks by the Cappies, as one example. It seems like most of the infighting was just generational hatred cropping back up in the aftermath of settling down from what I've read.
>>97156927What are HM,WT?
I don't think its fair to classify any members of the SLDF as Lyrans, Capellans, Dracs or even pre-Amaris War people living in those territories as such because the distinctive cultures of the post-Star League successor states would not have developed then, just as Clan culture doesn't exist before they reach the homeworlds. Especially Capellans, can their culture of being pathetic, weak and conniving shits really be said to exist before the Capellan state starts getting its shit kicked in during the succession wars, and they start propganda brainwashing their people into unquestionably robots to compensate
>>97156967I haven't seen tex anything in years so I don't know what the faggot said, there was tension and the other factions aren't blameless but it was unarguably a group of cappies that escalated it past the point of no return when they popped open a brian cache and caused kerensky and hazen to go sicko mode after they killed DeChevrolet, which ended any chance for the non-clan star league to manage things
>>97156967>texTry reading a book. Picrel is from Warriors of Kerensky.
What was the point of the Refusal War if you're just going to have Vlad Ward kill the Jade Falcon leadership and declare Wolf independence again?What was the point of splitting Clan Wolf into Warden and Crusader when they were eventually reunited again?What was the point of wiping out Smoke Jaguar if they are going to be resuscitated again by the IlClan era?What was the point of uniting the Lyran Commonwealth and Federated Suns if you're just going to break it up again after the FedCom civil war?What was the point of renaming it to the Lyran Alliance if Adam Steiner is just going to rename it back to the Lyran Commonwealth?What was the point of the Blakist Jihad if Comstar was going to lose and nothing changes?What was the point of the Dark Age when everyone would eventually recover to the same level of technology and there were no meaningful territorial changes to the Great Houses?What was the point of the Republic of the Sphere when it was just going to fall apart the moment Devlin Stone died and the IS went back to fighting among itself?What was the point of Operation Revival failing if Clan Wolf was just going to come in and win one hundred years later?
>>97157112The point is that if one is rejected by a girl you should just try again later.
What's the point of the OSSRM-2 ISS BA? You get one volley with 8 SRMs and then what? They just act as ablative armor for an omnimech for the rest of the match?
>>97157112>>97157127Nothing has any point.But the BA can still make melee anti-Mech attacks.
The setting would have been more interesting if true BA was existent and common in the inner sphere from the amaris civil war onwards.
>>97157223While that might make 3025 games fun, how does it make the setting more interesting?
>>97157061>archive.4plebs org/tg/thread/97130781/#97130875I don't have a relevant image, so have a pinup I haven't seen poster here yet.
>>97157269Oh, thanks. Is this for the Mechwarrior RPG or BT campaign? Both?
>>97157234Much of what makes battletech interesting is the focus on the cool military technology of the universe(the battletech). BA is cool.It would have featured in most of the stories and influenced them, there would be stories revolving around units or characters that primarily use BA. Like mechs, it would have received significant attention and probably been one of the faces of battletech,I think the setting is worse off for the gigantic dead spot in which BA effectively doesn't exist.
>>97157269Would have been easier just to link to the last thread
>>97157223We need more exoskeletons. They were present in the setting before the BA boom, they were even fighting on Solaris 7 before the BA boom. Having the Heavy HEV suit be an actual exoskeleton with a point of armor and armored gloves would be real neat.
>>97154573>Their citizens also have access to roads, which inevitably lead to serfdom.Fixed. We gotta liberate them.
>>97150045>every other unit in the game >has to divide armor by components >battle armor >gets their armor as a magic energy shield What the fuck is this shit? Can someone explain why the fuck this is a thing?
>>97157459game abstraction
>>971574591. BA aren't vehicles with components, they're up-armored infantry.2. That's more unnecessary math when the system works fine as it is.3. Dividing the unified armor block into six far smaller armor blocks, the destruction of any one of which resulting in a kill, would make BA far too squishy, their armor being made kind of pointless due to almost any weapon doing enough damage to instantly kill them with a hit to any component in that case.Legging a mech is just taking a leg off a mech, legging BA would be outright blowing the user's entire leg off. An IS standard would have like 1 armor on each limb and 3 points on the torso.>>97157482The game is very selective, arbitrary and occasionally contradictory about what and when it chooses to abstract. That is not the best justification for how a particular thing is represented.
>>97157506>That is not the best justification for how a particular thing is represented.Doesn't matter. That's the reason.Go make your own 40 year gaming franchise if you can't accept it
>>97155622Fahad is a KF Space Entity. Change my fucking mind.
>>97157571Fuck that. The game should change to suit me and what I want.
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>>97150054There can be only one for me
>>97156649>body double This is one of the DUMBEST plots in Battletech, the fucking Great Houses would screen their nobles genetically so a body double would be instantly detected, for fucks sake BT DNA detectors are so good they can detect x35th great fucking Grandfather was a and Wolverine and kill your dumb ass, and the very first thing you'd do for a recovered VIP is a full medical checkup.
I've seen /vg/ generals with less people actively sabotaging the thread.This place is unreal.
>>97157615>BT DNA detectors are so good they can detect x35th great fucking Grandfather was a and Wolverine and kill your dumb assClanTech and LosTech.
>>97157506>will kill the userUh you CAN survive arms and legs getting blown off.>Elemental armor6 torso, 3 crits. 1 RA/LA 2 crits. 1 RL/LL 2 crits.There, you now have a unit that is actually MORE durable as they can't simply be paper cut to death.
>>97157635People generally do not survive long term from their whole leg being instantly amputated in the middle of combat.Regular humans do not generally maintain their combat capability when that happens.Rendering the immediately essential aid to someone that has had that happen to them is not practical when the thing that just did that is a 100 ton battlemech and is still looking at your squad.Moving them is not practical for the aforementioned reason and the fact they can no longer effectively move themselves and they are now a one ton brick that cannot rapidly extract from their armor.For all intents and purposes they are dead.
>>97157621>LosTechThat's not LosTech, that shit was so wide spread that fucking BATTLEMECHS use DNA tests to verify their pilots.
>>97157649Painkillers and HarJel. There has been cases where soldiers with limbs blown off still fighting, even your own post shows an example.
>>97157649>>97157666I'd say it's more of an immediate problem that you can't walk lolA final parting shot and then entering the recovery position makes sense, but that already fits the way the game works. You're not an active combatant after that.
>>97157666>PainkillersBleeding out through an entire limb incapacitates someone through shock quite quickly whether you feel it or not.>HarJelBasically nonexistent outside of clan equipment.>even your own post shows an exampleThat's an elemental, not a regular human.Your proposal basically just results in IS armor being unusable in how fragile it is while the clanners get battle armor that turns into an immobile landmine half the time it gets shot.
>>97157127They still have their SL or flamer, and the OSSRM can be loaded with infernos. Which is great for killing other BA, or disabling your target mech before closing for the swarm/leg attack.My main gripe is that the ossrm prevents me from throwing my ISBA out the back of a vtol
>>97157635I think the funnier outcome of this solution is that pretty much anything lighter than heavy BA has entire limbs immediately blown off by a single burst from any infantryman's ballistic AR.An IS standard squad rolls up to some infantry and they all get reduced to nuggets in a single volley.
>>97157615Did you read the book? Traitors sabotaged the DNA databank so the scanners thought the double's DNA was actually Hanse's. Hanse was only proven to be the real one by passing the brainscan and password check in his Battlemaster
>>97154619Doesn't count for anything, they were fighting someone and it wasn't the SLDF. Kerensky had already made the SLDF stab the Inner Sphere in the back, so what some Capellans in his SLDF do beyond the Periphery has literally nothing to do with the CapCon. Use your brain, retard.
>>97154573>people are loyal to their nation>somehow this makes them backstabbers???sounds like they're the only honest ones
>>97157721>his BattlemechSo what the fuck would have happened to the double if they decided to hop in Hance's fucking Battlemaster? >puts on helmet >security system detects fake and frys his ass>entire plan collapsesShit writing.
>>97157710It's funny how people dickride Battletech armor as if it's some magic super armor but a group of dudes with AK's can strip away 50+ pts of armor, nigga shooting a M1A3 Abrams with AK's will do nothing except scratch the paint.
>>97157615>and the very first thing you'd do for a recovered VIP is a full medical checkup.Also Hanse was never considered missing. He visited his vacation home on Argyle where the traitorous estate manager helped the Cappies secretly capture and replace him.>>97157733More like it wouldn't start up and everyone assumes the old helmet or computer finally broke. And Hanse having a second password for just the weapons was a secret.
>>97157752That's because the guns are also fantasy superguns and also the roundup rule is stupid and inaccurate. Also small lasers should get anti-infantry and a-pods should be standard equipment.
>>97157662Can you provide a source for that? Specifically with game rules
>>97157752Well making infantry small arms rip apart battlemechs on their own was a later change and it wasn't exactly popular.
>>97157752On the other hand, standard armor will also completely stop attacks that would vaporize any modern MBT several times over through kinetic or thermal energy.Almost like the game rules for the highly abstract turn based tabletop game are not a perfect representation of how things actually work in the universe itself.
>>97157686>bleed outYou're telling me that power armor in the year 30xx wouldn't have a system to staunch bleeding? Battle armor as a game mechanic is broken. >the utter retardation of ANY BA surviving a Autocannon hit It wouldn't fucking matter how good your armor is, the sheer kinetic energy being dumped into the suit would turn the wearer into Ragu.
>>97157752That is because they use high explosive ammunition, so each of those bullets is a tiny ammunition explosion.
>>97157767>game rulesBruh there's no rules for mech security systems....
>>97157755>not just brainwashing Hanse They literally had a Machurian Canadate joke right there.
>>97157798>explosive ammoIs even worse. You'd have to DU SLAP and even then you would only get through light APC armor.
>>97157799Except for those found in LosTech: the Mechwarrior Equipment Guide, of course
>>97157796>You're telling me that power armor in the year 30xx wouldn't have a system to staunch bleedingI don't think the great houses ever even figure out how to manufacture their own harjel, I assume they buy literally all of it from diamond shark.>the sheer kinetic energy being dumped into the suit would turn the wearer into RaguAn AC/10 kills anything lighter than max armor medium BA and an AC/20 kills literally all BA.The kinetic force required to immediately kill the user is obviously increased a lot by the fact that the user is encased in an object that is up to two tons, just like how two guns of differing weights that use the same cartridge will see the heavier gun impart less felt recoil unto the user.
>>97157850>the rpgAre you fucking serious?
>>97157752I guess everyone in Battletech is lugging around a grenade launcher in case of mech.
>>97157910Or rifle grenades, which WOULD make a lot of sense.
I like to think that Phelan slept not just with Ranna, but also Natasha, Ulric and even Vlad
>>97157798Perfection.
>>97157949Considering his shock when he found out about who else Ranna was sexing, probably not.
>>97157919I'm getting Ring of Red flashbacks.
I wonder if Phelan ever propositioned a three-way between him, Ranna, and Evantha.
>>97157662>that fucking BATTLEMECHS use DNA tests to verify their pilotsNo they don't. They use voice prints and passwords.
>>97150045They did not deserve to be so throughly annihilated.Even their warcrimes weren't that bad to inner sphere standards. The one thing they deserve censure for is going with the Wolves and abandoning the use of warships in planetary operations.
>>97158409True clanners that they were, they deserved to die and stay dead so that they would die clanners instead of living as the dezgra spheroids they and all other "clans" are now.
>>97158375Also checking whether the neural pattern of the pilot matches the one recorded on the neurohelmet. I feel a lot of the time the writers forget that stealing a battlemech should be very hard even if you do manage to sneak into a cockpit unnoticed. Unless the neurohelmet is correctly configured to the pilot you'd at best struggle keeping the mech balanced and at worst fry your brains due to neural feedback. You can reset the helmet to diagnostics mode, but I assume doing that would require the proper tools and probably a passcode.
>>97157893Since the rpg interfaces with classic, yes I am. The fact that you don't know this just shows how much of a tourist you truly are. Plus it doesn't have DNA scanners as a security measure.
Opinions on the scorpion ?
>>97158698Best MechBest TankBest WarshipBest ClanBest Plot to Take Over the Inner Sphere as Black IntendedSimple as.
>>97158961>BlackBlakeMy phone is possessed by demons.
Counting or not counting mech violence?
Battletech as graphic novels, versus battletech as ya novels?>listening to bonfire of worlds during goon sesh>every scene with "Amy"(I dont know if I heard her name right) described in excruciating detail>ship captain is in an argument with a pair of boulders the size of his head and the book makes sure you're awareFrom what I can tell, jade falcon elementals are 8 foot tall dark skinned platinum blondes. It seemed whenever I was focused on the book, they were describing yet another platinum blonde with shoulder length hair, blue eyes, and dark skin.
>>97150054I have to pick just one? Probably the Yu Huang. Giant 4/6/4 brick shithouse with a lot of scary weapons. The 11G is probably my favorite simply because dual plasma rifles and inferno MMLs makes it great at controlling other mechs.
>>97158988Most of the Battletech novels were at YA reading level if not worse
>>97158991You look like someone worth playing Battletech with.
>>97159068They're at the same level as all the other tie in novels, fantasy novels in general, and the majority of "science fiction" novels. They're all aimed at young men between 10 and 20.
>>97158988>Battletech as graphic novels, versus battletech as ya novels?The comic book is a medium, YA is a style of storytelling, there is no versus situation here.>It seemed whenever I was focused on the book, they were describing yet another platinum blonde with shoulder length hair, blue eyes, and dark skin.Welcome... to Clan Guido Falcon.
>>97159257That's clearly a pirate. You're looking for this guy.
>>97159417Or maybe this guy, although he hit his head really hard and wandered off from the Nova Cats, muttering something about visions of cheap romance novels.
CGL!!! where is my final play test package your 3 days late!!!!!!
>>97158570>rpg>that nobody plays>t-tour-You are fucking retarded.
>>97159892Lots of people use the RPGs to generate their pilots, or their commanders. They're fully canon anyway, and have rules for security and security bypassing gear.
>>97158988For me it's BattleTech as Manga
>>97159954>pilots You don't just use MegaMek or Mech Factory? Fuck all my pilots are just x/x to me. I've seen more people play Alpha Strike than the RPG or use RPG mechanics.
>>97160143For campaigns, a lot of setups have you generate your commander using RPG rules at least.
the OP links are dead, any suggestions on where to look at fluff for a complete beginner? literally all i know is that the Atlas is cool and everyone's chinese
>>97158991I always liked the Stryker sculpt, its not a bad mech for what it is honestly just a better Zeus imo.
>>97160189Look at Universe in the PDF trove
>>97160148Campaigns, yeah. But most people play lance on lance/star and for fucks sake most people don't even know about rapid fire machine guns.
>>97159257>>97159417>>97159417>female gooner litHow many "Inner Sphere woman/Clan Warrior" books do you think the setting has? >rawr THAT NEVER HAPPENED
>>97160281>How many "Inner Sphere woman/Clan Warrior" books do you think the setting has?
>>97160309In setting, I mean.
>>97159455This one doesn't look immediately like it's female goon slop, I could mistake this for a proper swords and sorcery novel if I saw it on the shelf.
>>97160319OH FOR FUCK'S SAKE YOU ARE THE MOST HOMOSEXUAL ASSHAT FUCKTARD IN THIS GODS DAMNED GENERAL WITH YOUR STUPID ASININE fUCKING ENDLESS LITANY OF QUESTIONS "Oh is X a thing in this imaginay fucking universe?!?! Hey guys how many asinine retarded trivial items of nature Y are in this imaginary fucking universe? Do you guys think demographic Z does thing A in this IMAGINARY FUCKING UNIVERSE??!YOU FUCKING MASSIVE FAGGOT PIECE OF SHIT GET THE FUCK OUT!
>>97160355The naked man with soft lighting and a huge sword up against his crotch is a pretty big giveaway imo.
>>97160376Hey sperg calm the fuck down.>dosen't know what lore building isFor fucks sake nice way to out yourself.
>>97160445Go take a look at any conan the barbarian over art and get back to me on that one.
>>97160533No, you are not fucking "lore building" you are a faggot that's trying to find ways to discuss feminist gooner novel slop in a general about a game of giant armored robots fighting each other.
>>97158991Is the Yu Huang notorious for busted arms? I swear most of the ones I've seen have at least 1.
>>97160612>reeeeeeeeeThat's what I thought. Fuck off and don't come back.
>>97160692Make me, faggot.
>>97160708*throws you out*There.
>>97160732that's not just gay, it's cringe as fuck.Jut proving that you are an actual faggot and my accusation of trying to subvert and derail is accurate.
>>97160741>reeeeeeKeep proving what an autistic retard you are, it's honestly funny.
>>97160741>can't even spell or punctuate correctly anymore Holy fuck go touch fucking grass.
>>97159892>You are fucking retarded.Says the guy who thinks mechs have DNA scanners as security
>>97160776>has never read a bookClan mechs absolutely do.
>>97160800Source and game mechanics
>>97160812https://www.sarna.net/wiki/Verigraph>a technology so fucking ubiquitous that they're used on basic bitch fucking documents>tHeY wOUlDnT uSe tHeM oN mECHsYou're the type of retard who will state that you can't lock armored vehicle doors because the rules don't state that.
>>97160533Honestly, I do not give a fuck about what kind of chic erotica exist in the inner sphere at any period of time throughout the entire history of the setting. It is an exceedingly niche question with no meaningful answer besides propagating the idea of Clan/IS romantic relationships-- which I suspect is the actual intention of the question.To that end, my answer is: We talk about the fucking robots anon. If you're not going to keep it in your pants at least make some OC instead of playing 20 questions.
>>97160878I was just wondering about how the Inner Sphere would depict the Clanners, I wasn't about to dump fan art or fanfiction, it was a whimsical question and you turned it into a full on sperg meltdown. Go.Outside.Now.
>>97160896I'm not even the same anon retard. Get your knickers untwisted and talk about the fucking robots.
>>97160836Actually I'm not sure the Clans would use Verigraphs for securing mechs. Security for warrior assets are likely tight and they're strictly regimented in how they're to treat their equipment.You don't need to lock each mech necessarily if there are men at every bay door and entry and the punishment for waltzing in uninvited is death.Think of it also like real life tanks or fighter jets: These aren't things that can be easily prepared by one person to just take. Somebody has to help you more often than not to get everything prepped to go. I think famously some people point out that there are no keys to an M1 Abrams, you flip the right switches in the right order and push the right buttons and it's ready to go. The idea though of breaking into the hanger and stealing an omnimech from the Clan (because all resources ARE Clan resources) seems unthinkable to a Clanner.Of course there's nothing saying they wouldn't, I just don't think it follows necessarily.
>>97160281BONDS OF THE HEARTBy I. Ron Hardy>he was a tough-as-nails Elemental khan with a secret heart of gold>she was an average-looking middle-aged woman taken as his bondsman>she started by maintaining his armor, but will she perhaps one day also maintain his heart? While he has sex with all his sisters on a regular basis? Maybe the brothers too? Maybe some orgies?
>>97160981>no keysBut there are both padlocks (outside security) and the hatches can be locked from the inside to prevent crunchies from chucking a grenade inside.
>>97160985Thank you anon, that's all I needed to know!
>>97161009Well duh, you of course can secure the vehicle from the inside and the building is locked down tight, there's fucking military weapons in there after all.It's just there isn't a biometric lock next to the ignition because it's unnecessary. You needed to be vetted hard to get there to begin with and the last thing you need when you're scrambling to meet an enemy attack in garrison is to fumble the verigraph or need to hop into a mech HR didn't approve you for or have it break on your ass, forcing you to hotwire your own mech.
>>97161009There's also the inherent security of neurohelmets, even with no intentional security added, you cannot just go put someone else's helmet on and have it work, and calibrating a mech to accept a helmet you brought with you (or your VDNI) takes time.
>>97160189https://battletech.com/game-downloads/
>>97161474>getting anything from CGL
>>97158409Overbidding is dishonorable as fuck. If your competitor drops something from bidding, it would be dezgra to not try to beat their bid by also dropping it. It is better to fail with honor, than win with dishonor.
What IS the ilclan era? My understanding ov the battletech storyline ends around when bestgirl steiner starts a civil war because her brother won't let her tap that, ultimately leading to the dissolution of star league II and the word of blake committing an inner sphere wide act of self defense. And then somehow some time later clan fucking wolf wins again and takes over Earth. I'm usually not one for big overarching plots, but since it is "the current era" of the game, and I'm seeing these terms like hinterlands getting thrown around, I just feel a bit lost
>>97160612>inb4 I get banned because some sperms took my question in a weird direction and somehow its my fault.Such is life, I guess... regardless, I want more memes of sweaty clanner elemental gyms with freeborn janitors.
>>97161506You can always read the stuff from Cranston but basically the Clans jumped the Stoners and killed them, Wolves and Falcons dueled on Terra for IlClanship, the wrong clan won and now Woofs are attempting to consolidate their new Star League.
>>97157725>capellans behave as expected, despite being moved light years away>d-doesn't count!if an american nigger mugs you in antarctica, does it "not count"?
>>97161009>>97161034For those that dont know, its called security in depth. Like anon stated by virtue of having access and knowledge of how to operate the machine you can start her up. The first part os the hard part depending on how dangerous the materiel is.In a pure logistics point of view, several people need to operate a machine that are not the operator for maintenance, certification, and general training. The mechtech needs to be able to actuate the arms and legs for post testing of a repair. Whether that's one person or a squadron of maintainers(if we assume mechs are similar in maintenance to jets), more people can operate the mech than the pilot at any given time. They likely have a maintenance or default layout that allows literally anyone to get her moving. As well as a minimum control that allows non mechwarriors to move them around a warehouse if needed.And in real world application, having an asset out of commission because the designated dood got creamed by an AC in his bunk is not how any functional military operates. The reason theres not a starter key is because anyone that can operate the armor in the moment should operate. You'd have mechtechs, that realistically may be 6/6 start the atlas up in just enough time to save the mechwarrior barracks and get a lucky shot off and save people.I think neurohelmets are more akin to preferred settings on steroids than do or fry systems. If you use the helmet, you calibrate the system to maximize its function for you. Afterall, people retire, die, change units, etc.
>>97161506After the Jihad the big war hero took all his buddies and made a new nation right in the middle of everything, got most of everyone to agree to disarmaments, then went to have an ice nap. Things were mostly okay for a while, although hindsight shows a lot of atrocities being done to proactively "keep the peace". Then someone sent Deep_Fried_Fart_Extra_Reverb.HPG to all HPGs in the Inner Sphere, burning out most of them and jamming the hyperspace waves of the few that didn't blow up. This set off a bunch of instability and the neo-Terran Hegemony activated a hidden superweapon that basically launches a jump core into the jump core of anything trying to jump into one of their systems, completely killing their underhanded "peace" program and setting everyone off on rearmament and war, with several factions poking the jump shield to see if it has any holes so they can go eat up their worlds. Big hero boy wakes back up from cryosleep, realizes his super duper jump shield is about to expire and preemptively drops it and invites the clans to come talk it out. Alaric-Steiner-Davion-Steiner-Davion-Ward smothers him to death with a pillow and is crowned ilclan. Now that he's done what every clanner wanted to do for the past century, he's trying to make a new star league. Failing pretty badly at it so far, only some clans want in and he let the Ravens orbitally bombard potential member states while saying he's all for peace and star leaguery.
>>97160198I haven't got a chance to use him much, but he's a very cheap brick with respectable weaponry.>>97160679In my case, I was a moron. I dropped the model, broke the arm off, and somehow lost the elbow joint. So I drilled some rods in, painted them like battle damaged wires, and called it a day.
I still say they ought to do some gritty smut about spaceport lot lizards.
>>97161506>What IS the ilclan era?Overall, an attempt to do a, "soft reboot," of the setting and return to the feeling of the setting at its best.Everyone has reasons to be fighting everyone, even, especially, themselves. There is no crazy overpowered faction. There is no sudden new technology that changes how wars are fought. There is no hope for true peace without overwhelming victory.All of your favourite factions and mercenaries are back. That's one of the main draws of ilClan. Unless you liked Comstar, but there are no doubt super hidden remnants of Word of Blake people out there.>the word of blake committing an inner sphere wide act of self defense.The Dark Age era was invented first, as a way to sell new toys and reboot the setting to something post-apocalyptic, then the Jihad was invented and explained afterwards to try and justify why the Dark Age happened. The ilClan era is the writers trying to wrangle this fucking mess into a fun setting.> And then somehow some time later clan fucking wolf wins again and takes over Earth.Yeah, by the absolute skin of their fucking teeth. Now they're struggling to hold onto it. Their allied clans are jockeying for power and barely under control, the new Terra-born Star League Self Defense Force will probably make up the vast, vast majority of their military forces, rebels, terrorists and criminals have massive power in the Terra system, all the territory once held by Clan Wolf and Clan Jade Falcon is probably gone, it will take generations to train up new Clan Warriors.> I'm usually not one for big overarching plotsThere isn't one. Everyone is doing their own thing, infighting, trying to survive. The Clan Wolf, ilClan, Third Star League, that's the only driving direction and kinda meaningless to most people fighting to survive.The ilClan era is the perfect place for YOUR DUDES to fight. Your mercenaries can fight anywhere, for anyone, and you can justify using any mech.
>>97157910Star League would love the OICW, but for general infantry use I think a 40mm launcher tube would be more appropriate. We have those for a variety of weapons, even if they were not intended to have one when designed. Combine that with a HEDP grenade and you have something that can put a dent in mech armor without taxing suspense of disbelief too much.If that is too small for you to accept the damage numbers, you can either go oldschool like >>97157919 suggested, or go for 40mm missile like the Pike which is still reasonable to believe every infantryman can carry.
>>97161661Didn't even know I wanted this till now. Not even sexually. But the grit and filth that accumulates around roving military hot spots. And the most famous Bonnie blue of the system. Addicted to space meth and known for taking three space donkeys at once.And the morbid detective noir scenarios that creates. On the border of cap and fedsuns, theres a backwater shithole everyone ends up parking at for a week to resupply... and the system's bycicle may have info on why a Davion lesser lord was there when a cappy governor was killed and had xir dick amputated and shoved in xir mouth.
>>97161690The actual star league infantry weapon is a pulse laser rifle with integrated grenade launcher and vibro-bayonet, and extensive survival kit in the stock. Weighs as much as an LMG, handed out to every single infantryman in the entire SLDF.
>>97161636The mechtech doesn't actually need access to the neurohelmet to move the arms around or walk it from one side of the bay to the other. The helmet is only necessary for combat conditions and fast movements. I'm not sure if it's possible to tune a helmet to more than one pilot, but trying to use a helmet that isn't tuned to you will result in feedback like headaches and something similar to tinnitus. If there's a security system, it will turn the feedback up on purpose to try its best to fry you.
>>97161675>All of your favourite factions and mercenaries are back.>non-blakist comstar>non-bear cucked haugs>home clans>circinus>knights of the inner sphere
>>97161506A Word of Blake deepcover asset (Stoner) leads a coalition to triumph over the Word. He makes a pillowfort, commits a whole bunch of warcrimes, then freezes himself. Cappies, Wolves, and Falcons try to poke the pillowfort. Stoner unfreezes himself, realizes the pillowfort is failing, and invites the Wolves to Terra thinking he can beat them. Alaric Ward, the incest baby of Katarina Steiner, Victor Davion, and Vlad Ward (it's complicated) who leads the Wolves, kills him with a pillow. The Falcon's want to duel for the ilKhan and lose; they get fragmented i to a bunch of splinter groups. The Cappies invade Terra and get cucked by the Snow Ravens. Daoshen does a funny and nukes Alexander Kerensky's base on New Earth. The Snow Ravens flattened Chang-An on Liao in revenge.So now the incest baby sits on the "3rd Star League". He burned all of Clan Wolf's forces to do so, he completely relies the Snow Foxes and Snow Ravens (who are probably going to start killing each other sooner or later because Herb hates warships), and everyone else is fighting some manner of civil war.
>>97161821Personally, I'm hoping Alaric shows his shitheel side again and throws the Ravens under the bus by getting everyone into his new star league for Bulldog II, Revengeance. He didn't actually tell the Ravens to bombard a Cappie civilian center, and them doing so runs directly counter to his attempts at making his star league appealing to everyone. They're also a warship of damocles over his head since he has no one capable of stopping them if they decided to shoot him in the face with a NAC. They go along with him being the ilkhan as a courtesy.
>>97161866Yeah the Ravens know they're top dog right now because they have their entire fleet parked over Terra and only the Sea Foxes have a hope of matching them. Alaric's position is tenuous: his new Star League is a little military baby, the Bears are sperging out still, the Falcons aren't, the Scorpion Empire is still worried about Clan Invasion II from the Star Adders, Horses are eh, and the Sea Foxes are trying to be the new ComStar. He has no one he can reliably count on, but the other major powers aren't in a position to contest his rule either.
>>97161821>>97161932if herb uses wolf plot armor to snuff out the ravens (and by extension my boys in the OWA) just to sate his autism I will drive a van through his house
>>97161932He'd be in such a better position if he just stopped fucking his own allies. At this point, I think the Ravens and maybe the Foxes are the only ones he hasn't deliberately snubbed. He induced the Bear civil war just to make them prove they love him, he told the 'goons to fuck off, he jaded the falcons, he dumped his own empire and basically told the only guy trying to hold it together to go suck an egg, he's a menace.
>>97161658>Then someone sent Deep_Fried_Fart_Extra_Reverb.HPG to all HPGs in the Inner Sphere, burning out most of them and jamming the hyperspace waves of the few that didn't blow up. >someoneIt definitely wasn't the "new, still totally secular" ComStar as ordered to do by a Blakist sleeper agent.I still don't understand why it was decided to do that. Did someone think that the Republic was under threat and somehow would do best in the chaos?
>>97161957I get they want the succession wars vibe of "everyone fighting everyone!" again, but surely there were less retarded ways than giving the wolves terra, then realizing they'd be too strong so they turned Alaric into a fucking cartoon villain shooting himself in the foot just to see how strong his plot armor is>>97161978like most things written to justify the dark age, it happened because they needed it to so the dark age would make sense, no more thought was put into it
>>97161821I'm sure they'll write the wolves some bullshit way out
>>97161818>non-bear cucked haugsThe Free Rasalhague Republic lasted from June 1989 to February 1990 (3034-3052 or so).
>>97161821>the incest baby of Katarina Steiner, Victor Davion, and Vlad Ward (it's complicated)It's really not.KSD cucked Vlad with her brother. Alaric is 100% pure Steiner-Davion, though Vlad is on the birth certificate and had to pay child support.
>>97162012yes and? they've always deserved better
>>97161957Even the Spirit Cats who betrayed the FWL to defend Wolf Empire worlds, they basically said "notice us Alaric-sempai, we're defending your interests!" and his response was to ask "who the fuck told you to do anything? Stay in your lane, dorks." A lot of these situations would be improved if he just ignored them completely.It'd make for a fun villain if there were actual consequences for it in the end.
>>97161506>I'm seeing these terms like hinterlands getting thrown aroundThe Hinterlands is an area in Lyran space that is currently a free for all with a bunch of small factions that have formed in the wake of the Falcons attacking Terra. There is a sourcebook as well as a relatively new campaign system book for the Hinterlands.
>>97162040they have to be setting up the wolf empire, goons, and friends to be the new "true" clan wolf and everyone rejecting alaric for being a faggot, right?
>>97162020He literally has all three of their genes in him per Masters of War. Probably ehy he has the Hapsburg chin.
>>97161675>There is no crazy overpowered faction. There is no sudden new technology that changes how wars are fought. There is no hope for true peace without overwhelming victory.>All of your favourite factions and mercenaries are back. That's one of the main draws of ilClan.That's literally the exact opposite of what the IlClan era was supposed to be. It was originally going to be the Clans completly and totally conquering the Inner Sphere and dissolving the old nations. After the hundred year timeskip which resulted in newer better mechs, armor, and weapons (whichbthe soft reboot of thebrules would be based around) only the IS slave gladiators would use the obsolete pre IlClan era mechs and weapons.
>>97162063>implying that they have any plans for the wolf empire, or that they ever had any plans for the wolf empire
>>97161675St. Ives is back?
>>97162110I think they realized that trying to solve problems caused by a timeskip by doing another timeskip was a bad plan.
>>97157752As other anons said, that was a later rule change, and I'm of the opinion that that it should be reversed because it's dumb. Mech weapons should also be able to do more damage to infantry, with Anti-infantry weaponry doing bonus damage on top of the standard damage it already does. Infantry should get fucked hard by Mechs unless using dedicated Anti-Mech equipment or BA, because Mechs are kings of the battlefield in BT lore and the crunch should go back to reflecting that.
>>97162284Honestly it's a great plan, it just wouldn't have worked with CGL because:-They don't have good enough writers, fact-checkers, and editors to make sure that the result would have been internally self-consistent-They would have inevitably gone and back-filled it, with some retcons along the way.
Hear me out, using the new alternate universe initiative to make an AU that is just "what if no dark age lmoa" to trojan horse retconning all the garbage out, then shilling it until it supersedes the "real" timeline
>>97162304As long as there are infantrymen being loud and whiny on the official forum, this will never happen.Direct, open, and constant communications with fans is such a huge mistake.
>>97162304>>97162317why are there 5 wankers who "main" infantry deciding on these retarded rules?no one's taking away infantry spam with anti-mech weapons if you truly want to be that guy but GI Johnny's pea shooter shouldn't be able to ding armored jeeps let alone an atlas or stone rhino, both fluff and crunch wise
>>97162307NTA but honestly if the time skip had made sense I'd have been fine with it. I'd also have preferred if the tech used and introduced in the time skipped era was objectively better than clan invasion era Mechs instead of all these things being sidegrades to show that there has been actual progress over time. That was at the modern era does it's own thing but leaves the earlier eras alone to let people keep enjoying what they like with new minis and rulebook reprints without worrying about retcons and backfilling.
>>97162366The new playtest rules at least seem to be going away from sidegrades and making some things that were supposed to be better actually better.
>>97162338>why are there 5 wankers who "main" infantry deciding on these retarded rules?They don't main infantry. They just hate the idea of "their guys" not being totally awesome.Vehicles got major buffs for the same reason (tankers instead of infantry).ASFs and WarShips didn't because Navy and Air Force people don't spend as much time playing with little figurines I guess.
>>97162338Because they're loud and on the official forums.
>>97162411pilots are too busy getting laid
>>97161658>>97161821kinda gay>>97161675>Unless you liked Comstarwhat's even the fucking point
>>97162063It is setting up for his lineage to be publicized and [everyone didn't like that]. The real question is how they manage to wrangle the situation so that the Clans hold onto power long enough for a 3150s storyline.
>>97158256Underrated game.>>97157662Battlemechs either use a maglock key or Neurohelmet Coding to lock out trespassers.There are no DNA locks for Battlemechs.
>>97161658>Failing pretty badly at it so far, only some clans want in and he let the Ravens orbitally bombard potential member states while saying he's all for peace and star leaguery.Even more galling, da Bears mostly wanted to join him... but because they ALL didn't suck the Double Steiner-Davion dick, he turned them AWAY!>>97162338Because you are not invincible, Mech Warrior.>>97162408>The new playtest rules at least seem to be going away from sidegrades and making some things that were supposed to be better actually better.Yeah, but that's buffing existing weapons that were underperforming in an era of Double Heatsink/Pulse Laser/Jumpjet meta, not "Objectively superior options because TECHNOLOGY!!!"
>>97162366How would you even make straight upgrades over clan tech at this point? How much more damage can we make things do, while weighing less, generating less heat, and having even faster mechs? Sounds like a rush to powercreep that so many games fall into the trap of.
Holy fuck, why does the Japanese Stinger have so many pipes coming off it's back
>>97162814>Sounds like a rush to powercreep that so many games fall into the trap of.Exactly, worse is that WAACfags will totally exploit new toy syndrome to explain away why their shit doesn't stink.
>>97161957Sounds like he's a well written character.I mean that sincerely. He's supposed to be Katrina's son, and all of that sounds exactly like what Kat would do. So he's being well written, in that he's exactly what one would expect to have sprung from those tight, needy, loins.
>>97162811>Because you are not invincibleLiterally the only thing keeping this phrase alive is that the mackie isn't flexible enough to dab.
>>97162005>surely there were less retarded ways than giving the wolves terraThere really wasn't, because there was NO plotline that gave Terra to the Wolves that wouldn't be completely retarded. At a minimum, because giving Terra to the Wolves presupposes that the Clans STILL EXIST. Which, again, is retarded.
>>97162307Well that, and Herb would have been actually literally killed. Remember, that plan was in place right up until Davionman grabbed the shotgun and tried to break into Herbs house and then it got dropped. CGLs repeated inability to be a professional company is kind of immaterial; no line dev is going to pursue a development path where they're literally getting shot at about it.
What the fuck is the infantry astroturfing? AFAIK any normal formation of infantry is dealing one point of damage a shot to a mech target if they don't have anti-mech gear.>BUTBUTBUT IF I FILL THE ENTIRE SURROUNDING AREA WITH INDIVIDUAL SOLDIERS STATTED AS SINGLE TROOPS WITH PISTOL THEY ALL DO ONE DAMAGE AND IF THEY ALL HIT THEY'LL DEAL LIKE 7 DAMAGE A ROUND WHICH MEANS IN 9 ROUNDS THEY'LL GET THROUGH THE ATLAS'S CT IF THEY ONLY HIT THE CTThat's right embarrassing straw man, if you produce a highly unrealistic scenario and explicitly warp the gameplay mechanics based on adjudicating an edge case, things get wacky.>Its still weird to have guys throwing rocks deal 1 point of damage to mech armor when a light rifle wontThat is fair reasonable opposition, but in most reasonable scenarios the difference is going to be only a few points of armor and people actually trying to ambush your mechs with infantry will pay the LITERAL DOZENS of BP to give them SRMs or similar
>>97162835>in that he's exactly what one would expect to have sprung from those tight, needy, loins.Wasn't he a Tube birth?>>97162839>He says posting the debut platform for a revolutionary new form of armor AND a Particle Cannon
>>97150054Snake
>>97162864It fucks over light mech infantry hunters. Some featherweight that's expected to hunt infantry by chasing them down and shooting them with machineguns has to enter their threat range, and is now at a shockingly high risk for getting seriously damaged in return. This is probably more about machineguns being shitty and there being few viable anti-infantry weapons until later though, but it's clearly not helping. A mech that's designed to scatter infantry at a reasonable cost should be able to do that.
Are there any 3025 mechs that are good enough to stand on their own in later eras, or during star league?
>>97162864In a reasonably likely scenario, a Locust is going to run up on a rifle platoon with no significant anti-mech weapons and eat the equivalent of an SRM-5. It can't do that more than a couple of times before they're killing it.
>>97162907Most of them are normal star league mechs, the royal stuff was only for the most elite units. Any random star league battle is going to be introtech vs introtech. They'll be shiny and new and not 200 years out of their warranty, but they're still throwing SRMs and ACs and Lasers with no prefixes against standard armor the majority of the time.
>>97162907Awesome, Highlander w/ special ammo, Marauder II?
>>97162882Did the very first mech instantly upset tanks as the premier ground fighting platform forever? Oh, I'm so sorry that happened to you. Don't worry. They're not literally immortal so I guess tanks can hang around as a budget option.
>>97162814>How would you even make straight upgrades over clan tech at this point? How much more damage can we make things do, while weighing less, generating less heat, and having even faster mechs? Sounds like a rush to powercreep that so many games fall into the trap of.That's why you do a soft reboot of the rules like what was planned. IlClan era weapons do X amount of damage to IlClan era armor and structure while generating while generating Y amount of heat dissipated using IlClan Era heatsinks. So ruleswise IlClan medium lasers do 5 damage while generating 3 heat. Lorewise you could fluff it as the Clans are all using an improved Hardned Ferro-Lamellor armor composite and improved Reinforced Structure to build their mechs while using improved compact triple heatsinks to dissipate heat.
>>97160981>The idea though of breaking into the hanger and stealing an omnimech from the Clan (because all resources ARE Clan resources) seems unthinkable to a Clanner.This is actually pointed out in the LosTech book that up until the Invasion there was no security on Clan mechs because it wasn't something they'd consider. Even then they'd use the same systems - maglocks, voice print, and neurohelm lock - that the IS does
>>97153951Now that you point it out, it is more obvious that it's made of marauder (gulag) and phoenix hawk (valkyrie) parts. I almost prefer it but the boxy guy is good in its own way. I just wish the 3L was better
>>97162966Then why are we ever even leaving 3025?
>>97162976Because the timeline must advance so the company can sell new models and books
What is the best clanbuster refit?
>>97162957What part of "First platform to mount a fucking Particle Projection Cannon" did you not hear?The Mackie looses out firepower wise to a Von Luckner!
>>97160836Now find a source from a novel
>>97162976We never should have
>>97163000>What is the best clanbuster refit?Marauder 5CS and it's not even slightly close. Just swapping the AC5 for an LB10X and padding the ammo with DHS would be been good enough to be one of the best refits, but they went whole hog in it. It's only flaw is that it doesn't jump, and can't generate a +3 TMM.
>>97162976Because I don't wanna play the fedrat elsie wank era
>>97162814Radical Heat Sinks are already basically prototype triple heat sinks, and there are already improvements on hardened armor.
>>97163002>The Mackie looses out firepower wise to a Von Luckner!As it should. Mechs should never be able to fight a tank of equal weight class. Tanks don't have vulnerable legs, and always has more effective armor for the same weight. Mechs are really just propaganda machines, while it's tanks and infantry and artillery that actually win wars. Mech pilots are just fag prima donnas who can't operate in a team like a tank crew can.
>>97163025Filtered hard
>>97163002>>97163032Imagine getting completely blown out by this entirely untested robot. Owned so hard it changes warfare forever at a total loss to your status. It looks stupid as fuck too, it didn't even win with rule of cool because it sure as fuck isn't cool.And then you might think "well maybe later tech development will bring us back up!", and then you first encounter fucking battle armor and it turns out you're even more entirely helpless against them pulling off your hatches and shitting into them.Tanks get the eternal third place bronze medal award and a "you tried!" sticker.
>>97163002The Mackie 7A outranges the Von Luckner with it's loadout
>>97163037FEDCOM's dead, Davion. Let it go.
>>97163032>>97163050All are weak to... THE SECRET BASEMENT!
>>971630504th, you forgot Aerospace fighters.
Imagine the mackie-hags...
>>97163032Sorry, I can't hear you over all the motive crits I just rolled.
>>97163105That's why vehicle effectiveness rules will be mandatory with the new ruleset, and if they aren't I'm going to head to Xotls house with a shotgun.
>>97162897That thing is such a tro 3055 poster child with that loadout
>>97162907The Steiner Thud is just a solid chunk of steel that it holds value with just survivability in later eras and also does okay damage comparatively
>>97162969Its fluff states its made from marauder parts and a shadow Hawks right arm flipped on the left side
>>97163164100 tons of copper nails energy>Comrade, the only tooling that survived were marauder and shadow hawk left arms>But the design bureau specified it needs a left hand
>>97163164They probably dropped the old art's aesthetic entirely because of the unseen lawsuit and didn't want to take any chances, but I like to imagine the unseen Cataphract was the initial version that was an obvious frankenmech design, let's say encompassing everything from the initial prototypes up to the 3L series, and the later Cataphract are later runs that refined the design to make it its own proper mech, starting with the 4L and onwards to the present.That's how I see it anyway.
>>97162898>>97162924I'll crack my TW in a bit and check this desu I keep hearing it and I'm not convinced that it is "reasonably likely" as much as it is "remotely possible".
>>97163009I'm not one of those people that believes you need to have a "living" setting. The setting is the setting. You can have lots of history and lore, but there's supposed to just be a single time in which the games all take place as hypothetical battles from that point on. Battletech is unique in that it embraces all of its time periods and play periods, for better or worse.
>>97163233A full platoon does 11 damage at the top of the cluster roll, and all their damage is applied in 2 point chunks. They have no AMM or TMM and the exact same range as the Locust's machine guns. Usually they're in cover because they can't move fast and being out of cover is suicidal.Assuming the Locust runs far enough for a +3 TMM and has 4 gunnery, it's hitting on a 7/9/11. The infantry is also hitting on an 7/9/11. 8/10/12 if the Locust gets a perfect run up or can end in some woods or behind a tiny hill.
>>97163265Did I say 11? Sorry, I meant 15. SRM-7 and a half, coming atcha.
>>97162924A base locust, with two MGs, is reasonably likely to kill or break an infantry platoon in exchange for that SRM5, assuming the infantry even hit a mech that can generate a +4 TMM. Part of the problem, in my experience, is people have a tendency to run more inf than is reasonable; at the scale of most BT games, you probably shouldn't be seeing more than a company of infantry.
>>97163278It's only 2d6 dead men +1 for the laser. 8 on average if all three guns hit. There are 28 men in the platoon. They fire as an SRM-7 on the turn one squad dies, and an SRM-5 on the turn a second squad dies. SRM-2 on the third turn, assuming the Locust hits and rolls average.
>>97163265>at the top of the cluster rollAnd what's their AVERAGE cluster roll?
>>9716331117 men hitting for a total of 9 damage split into 2 point chunks.
>>97163002The Mackie was over 300 years old when the Von Luckner was introduced.It still would kicks it ass 9 times out of 10.
>>97163303A locust has two machine guns. That's 4d6+4+1 for the mlas. That's 19 dead on average, assuming all weapons connect, and the inf aren't taking double damage from being in the open.
>>971633334d6+1, burst fire weapons only do the burst damage. The only exception is that machine gun conventional infantry do normal infantry vs infantry damage +1d6. Everything else is only the Xd6.
>>9716336415 dead men, then. Point still stands, that's over half a platoon, and from a locust at that. You have to get real cheesy before infantry become more than an annoyance.
>>97163445Those dead men contributed to 9 damage back to the Locust, on average. Those 13 remaining men can do 4, on average. If there's literally only the one platoon, then yeah, it's not likely to kill the Locust by hitting it with six 2 point hits and a 1 point hit. But if there's, say, three platoons? That's looking a lot closer to a Locust that was just on the wrong end of a Commando or Javelin for a couple turns.
>>97163465I mean that's why you ideally hit them with something to break them up before charging straight into 150 soldiers...
>>97163228That image was from 4 years before the FASA v Harmony Gold case, anon. That's specific pic is from TRO 3050, which has a bunch of unseen in it.
>>97163465Which as I mentioned, is likely to be all the infantry on the table, assuming you aren't spamming platoons. >>97162864 is right in that you have to start scewing the scenario before the infantry become a threat to one of the most lightly armored mechs in the game.
>>97161818>non-blakist comstarshame they're gone, but i'm honestly not too sure what niche appeal they would have had, what their "vibe" would have beeni wonder if someone in the ilClan era will try to revive them as an opposing force to Clan Sea Fox trying to control the new HPG networkactually, sizeable chance that they could be setting that up in the lore, the Republic of the Sphere's top HPG scientist is still MIA and on the run>non-bear cucked haugsbut they're back as wellYOUR DUDES can be anti-clanner parts of the Ghost Bear Dominion that are fighting in their current civil-war/infighting>home clansgood riddance, for nowthey got a great send off in the Wars of Reavingthere's still enough narrative space to justify players running around with fringe survivors or exiles of the Home Clansthey could show up again if the writers want to do Clan Invasion 2.0 electric bugaloo>circinusprobably still around somewhere, the periphery is a place where people go to dissapear>knights of the inner spherelooks like they got rolled into the knights of the republic of the sphere, or just, "knights of the sphere"they're probably still around and fighting as mercs/advisors somewhere
>>97163495Just one platoon can pretty easily blow a wing off a Locust, or make its torso or legs vulnerable to mlas or AC/5 pens. Having a few of them sitting on objectives isn't game warping, but it is Locust slaying.
I always thought that one guy's models for the Japanese designs of mechs to be too big, but damn it's hard to maintain the details on these designs.
>>97163550The standee versions of them are somewhat dressed down, mostly. You can still tell which designs weren't supposed to fit on a postage stamp and which ones were lol. If you based the miniatures more off them than the full lineart it might work better. I think he got pretty overly detailed with them because they weren't intended for being made into miniatures either way.
>>97163628I'm trying to do the Stinger, but those damn pipes on the back are tough to get right. My only option at the moment is to cut the pipes off the back and glue them on after everything's been printed. The only problem is that it's 22 little sticks (at minimum) that'd need to be glued on individually on the back.
>>97163628A lot of them are fan made since japtech was a very limited selection. I do like the shitworth and blowjob there.
>>97163639Take a page out of metal models playbook and mount them on plates that fit into corresponding indents.
>>97163628Wait, does that Hatchetman have a fucking pilebunker
>>97163654Shit, grouping them together would put it from 22 individual things to maybe 8. The arm tubes are the only real tough ones at this point. I'm trying to work out a model that'll look semi-decent on an FDM printer.
>>97163655Kinda looks like it has two, which I'm inclined to believe are actually the medium lasers.
>>97163677Damnit, then where's the hatchet
>>97163050Considering that the Merkavas used were obsolete by about a century, and the installation of drone-control systems probably meant they were stripped of some of their weapons? That whole 'test' was never meant to be fair; it was all stage-managed and rigged to make the Mackie look awesome.Give the Merkavas comparably-modern weapons and armament as the Mackie and see what happens then.
>>97163745One of the worst cope retcons in the entire setting. Literally just mad that the fundamental starting point of the setting was some tanks getting dabbed on so they had to nerf them several times over, turn it into a turkey shoot, and then give the guy brain aids to boot. Non-canon.
>>97163745The setting is about battlemechs being the supreme war machine and how that fact shapes society. Why? Because robots are fucking cool. I have to question why anybody who doesn't enjoy this premise is involved with Battletech on any level.
>>97163745A completely retarded and pointless retcon when a lance of mackies immediately afterward go on to almost completely wipe out an entire DC armor company+infantry support without a loss.
>>97163628I genuinely really like the Japtech standee art. The Black Jack and Centurion in particular look fucking rad.
>>97163745The latest and greatest Merkava model of the time ( the MK VII, only a few years older than the Mackie itself) has the same weapons as the Mk VI. It has significantly better armor (about 10 points more per face and BAR 10 instead of BAR 7), and a primitive fusion engine instead of ICE. It actually has very slightly less firepower since it only has one machine gun instead of two.
>>97163628The Trebuchet doesn't deserve to look that cool
I like the Merkava Mk IX. You can tell who made it by its main gun being a Light Gauss Rifle.
At a glance, the Tinstar looks like it's just a sniper BA. Does that sound about right?
>>97163791But giant robots are inefficient and dumb and retarded.
>>97164043It's pretty basic, yeah. Lorewise its best use has been as ambushers, it doesn't really have enough armor to take concentrated fire. Best use on the table is probably for an omnimech or combat carrier that's more dangerous than the squad to drop them close to the enemy and then get stuck in so the BA isn't the main target.
>>97164045NyoBeing inefficient can be defined as using metal tracks to make up for the shittiness of wheels at dealing with anything more difficult than a road
>>97163791>I have to question why anybody who doesn't enjoy this premise is involved with Battletech on any level.It’s a good question and the answer is, they actually aren’t.
>>97163908The Trebuchet is a great Mech and it deserves everything!
AU where the Mackie live fire test ended round one with an AC/5 TAC ammo explosion, call it OF Wet Dream.
>>97164113Just dress up Steve Jackson's Ogre and all it the non-mech AU. The perfect filter.
>>97163628That's a very manly BJ.
>>97163684Fist shaped hatchet, friend
>>97163501the FWL knights got mcfucked to death in the jihad, the republic knights got their surviving gear in a yard sale but besides that there's no continuity, then THEY got mcfucked when the republic collapsed>they got a great send off in the Wars of ReavingN I G G A wars of reaving are full retard shit, sperg monke and yung bluds deserved better
>>97163228I always did find the Cataphract design to be hella comfy.
The Republic of the Sphere should not have named their leaders Paladins. What a stupid FedSuns inspired name
>>97164793FedSuns do not have a monopoly on Charlemagne, friend.
>>97158409they weren't thoroughly annihilatedit's funny because i remember having that debate here with anons, and citing stuff from the novels and sourcebooks that showed the annihilation had been incomplete. lo and behold, I was right.
New thread>>97165110
>>97164793can’t be surprised, STONE WAS AN ASTROTURFED DAVION PLANT SET UP BY VICTOR AND COMSTAR, it’s no big shocker that the Federated Suns was their biggest ally
>>97165186Family sticks together
>>97163745>the installation of drone-control systems probably meant they were stripped of some of their weapons?Specifically their LRMs...>>97163791>I have to question why anybody who doesn't enjoy this premise is involved with Battletech on any level.I enjoy it, but because you can Supplex and dropkick tanks.
