FAITHFVL Edition>Previous Thread: >>97131467>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread question:How do you feel about Word Bearers?
>>97151459Who?
>>97151477He meant world bearers
>>97151459Someone should edit some of tattoos to be horsespls
>>97151486Which legion?
Would you be cool with these as ogryn in augmented levy militia army, assuming printed at the appropriate scale?
Here we go
If you could add 1 faction to Horus Heresy, which would it be and why?
>>97152285Chaos Daemons. You've read the index, you know why.
>>97152285I would use my power to delete custodes and sisters barring 1 troop unit of each as allies instead.
>>97152285XenosMilitia style-list that can represent all the eldars and orks plus know snowflake aliensJust so I can make more weird shit to play
>>97152285>add 1 factionImperial Army (IG port). With an orders system>Why?Solar Auxilia is US Marines, Militias is US Coast Guard. Imperial Army is US Army + US Air Force (because Imperial Navy hadn't yet been separated, and Aeronautica is a Navy branch here)It would have a regimental system, and Regimental Traits the same way SA gets Cohorts and Militia gets Provenances.They would also wear Vostroyan hats in cold, Cadian helmets in mild, and Catachan fatigues in hot weather.
I opened the firing lanes but failed my order roll
>>97152285I'd add more Aeronautica support to Solar Auxilia (Valkyrie patterns), and port Codex Mechanicum (all Skitarii & Cult Mechanicus (Kataphrons, Onagers, and Electropriests, specifically))>Why?Solar auxilia using a third line cargo plane as their main aerial transport? BoooMechanicus not having access to Skitarii soldiers or Combat Servitors other than Scyllax? BoooAnd I mean Skitarii Soldiers. That is full Tech Guard, with Ballisterai, Sagitarii, Praetorians and all of that. Old folks know what I'm talking about (completely impossible).And Mechanicus shall take any non-Talons vehicle ever if they paint it red (utter madness)
>>97151459>TQI dont fucking know but not more human shit. Im so fucking bored of human shit. Its everywhere. Its the setting. Let me play some freakshit.
>>97152758Bro's map be like
>>97152012As long as your opponent can discern which model is armed with what.
>>97152783That's what happens when you blast the buildings down
>>97152783damn; america was built by idiots who thought they knew better than anyone else
i could fit a thousand space marines on that table, if they were on 32mm bases.
>>97152012My guy you have the perfect models for militia in power armour and you are passing this opportunity off? Really?
Are pic related the best Daemon Brutes proxies? Any other ideas?
>>97152111Is this game any fun, sell it to me anon! I recently got in a kickstarter with tons of STL-terrain that can be printed both in 28mm and 8mm scale, and would really fit this game I think!
>>97153109Spirit Hosts, Bullgors, Slaangors, some of those big skeleton dues from AoS
>>97152869Everywhere was built by idiots, anon
>>97152869You realize that's from Mexico City right anon
>>97152111HUGGGGHHHHHH ADEPTUS TITANICUS BEING PLAYED HNGGGGHHHHHHHHI NEED a battle report anon I NEED it
>>97152758I lost my last AT game because I failed a machine spirit roll, got to choose it to be the option to move forward d6, but rolled a 2. I was about 9" from the center of the board; if I would have just moved my boosted speed with my Warlord I would have been within 6" and won the game.
>>97152360Based
I know the rules allow for it, but did the Emperor's Children have a lot of Daemons in their ranks as well? I only ever seem to see them pre-Heresy or full Fuck-Freak, but never any Daemonic cohorts hanging around in artwork. Would these guys be "too much" for HH?
>>97152591Agreed. My group has rules for Minor Xenos in our 2.5 and I've very slowly been gathering different vampire models to convert into Khrave.
>>97153406Let him. The rest of the American continent was built by idiots too
>>97153747Rainbow Warriors should have had more love. A Mesoamerican force with different companies taking on more distinct cultural cues woulda been cool.
>>97152111alright Mario calm down
That's why we have the Blood Jaguars, Jade Jaguars and Black Jaguars, right
Been a while since I worked on stuff for my mech, I forgot how nice and simple this scheme is to paint. Only took 2 nights and they're almost done barring details like melta barrels and plume colors and the bases
>>97153415Later
>>97153845Of course
>>97153784Where there ever any official materials where the Rainbow Warriors were Mesoamerican-influenced or was that just a fan thing?
>>97152285>Navis Nobilite>Expeditionary Navigator - as existing>Voidsmen-at-Arms - like existing KT/BS unit>Voidsmen-Mortalis - like existing KT breachers>Land Raider Proteus Explorator>Land Raider Proteus Hellfire - Explorator with fewer HP, more cabin space, single lascannon each side and pintle bolter/combi-bolter mount just like RT>Navigator Militaris - with more military experience, weapon options>Navigator Horologis - add +1 to Reserve rolls, increase number of Deep Strike units per turn (2) for each Horologis in the army>Navigator Monstrosis - High Command, Unique, Champion and Specialist but not Command Trait, instagib third eye stare, Fear (2) onto friendly+enemy units without Navis Nobilite trait>Navigator Senioris - High Command, Unique, Militaris/Horologis combo>Arvus >Hermes grav-sled - only transports Command>Enginseer equivalentnot a full army, not an army you would want to take in all battles, but representing a small force acting to protect its own interests or the interests of the Navigator Houses in wartime
>>97153406Mexico's a country anon
>>97153636Didn't you read Fulgrim?
Turn FIVE
>>97154221No, indulge me.
>>97152717>Militias is US Coast Guardso you're saying that Militia are better shooters. more intelligent and better selected than the other branches?
>>97154381i bet he's the guy who shits up /stg/ with coast guard/starfleet analogies too
>>97153863Just a fan thing. Rainbow Warriors were a joke about green peace and the french government. Its why SOBs in 40k have the Fleur-de-lis.
>>97153784There's a style they could take, yeah. If TS can be Egyptians and SW can be furr- eh vikings, some legion could've been mesoamerican. Guess it's one of the [REDACTED] ones whoops.Or who's the Rainbow Warriors' legion
>>97154381Oh dang, I was trying to make allusion to them using old, outdated, third-line gear. Whoops.
>>97154718So the National Guard
>>97153347>entire city isn't designed for the most retarded and selfish method of travelSounds based
>>97155031A road should be wide enough for two Roman chariots to pass side to side
I want a new projectWhat character can I turn into another TSon character?
>>97154229>>97153847>>97152758>>97152111Nice to see something other than marinesGood work, anon
>>97152111Turn 1, like usual, was mostly movement and flinging some minor shots at each other. Surprisingly both Mortis warlords lost a fair few shields from good dakka. >>97152758Turn 1 or 2 Barnum Brown demolishes the center building exposing the warhound and creating the No Man's Land with firepower in Xestobiax's favor. Stripes would take shelter from the center's firepower but would be absolutely gutted by a plasma annihilator, a single roll of 1 sparing it from being killed in one shot though it would be finished off by a missile barrage later.>>97153847Turn 3 the Mortis warhounds would expose themselves to great danger, the double melta dog there would be raked by Bossman and Barnum Brown would finish it with a short ranged melta cannon shot. Double Dog the Xestobiax warhound would be defeated by both the Mortis dire wolf and the warbringer, a bad choice on my part as I should have had it race forwards.The Pale King was superb this match with reliable accuracy and strong armor rolls, while it didn't focus down targets well enough to claim a kill it did support the more forward titans, though its moderatii would be latter flogged for gross breaches in data acquisition
>>97155220The center warhound defies the superior firepower of its opponents and holds its position, being quickly killed but Wild Firing! into its killer after death, though Bossman would not be dramatically effected by the last ditch effort.
>>97155240With Double Dog dead the Mortis dire wolf is free to move as Barnum Brown moved to engage the enemy. The Mortis reaver would move to block its princeps senoirs's retreat, offering its life as Xestobiax intensifies its firepower
Build and painted two ten men tactical units and a centurion for my Death Guard. Now I wonder what should I build/paint next to get to 1000pts and start playing. I know I don't want any vehicles, because they seem too complicated to build. On the other hand I do not want to paint more tacticals for some time. Are cataphract or tartaros terminators good in Death Guard? And if yes then with what load outs? I would be thankful for any help.
>>97155263I'm losing track hang on. Stripes was Silenced turn 2 or 3 so it's on the table but dead inside. I rolled a lot of 1s and 2s on my d10s today, only my Legio traits saved me from failing my orders half a dozen times.>>97154229We went into a rare turn 5 which not only cost me the game but was fukken awesome. The dire wolf cements its gains with a forward run, though it would fail to damage the Pale King it would earn Mortis 30 victory points single-handedly. The reaver was killed by Bossman, who scored a rare double kill this match.Laserbeak would finally drop its counterpart after 4 turns of full barrage, landing the deathblow even with a -2 to hit. The power claw on a warlord is potent, but if you spend the game at range it becomes a waste of points. I should consider using a proper ranged weapon but the fist just fits the image of Laserbeak so much more than some plasma annihilator. Perhaps I should get a volkite cannon to replace it I image Laserbeak to shun quake cannons and macro gatling blasters even though the former would be quite suitable. Xestobiax lost 33-5 but took a greater toll in scale and lives. I've been playing this fellow for a fair while and they're always a great match, very enthusiastic, everyone's painted so it looks great, and we both have a large enough collection to add some variety into our battlegroups.
>>97153182Titanicus is extremely fun. Ignoring the good balance and quality ruleset the game is compact in a way that leads to drama and excitement. Because it's so small (this was a large 2.5k game and I had six titans) everything matters and the low chance effects like awakening the machine spirit can dramatically effect the game. In 30k you have a lot of leeway with lots of dice rolling looking for low numbers, but here you have not a lot of dice rolling and needing high numbers. A lot comes down to having 2-4 rolls where you REALLY need 5s or 6s or else you're not going to get the kill, or begging the location die to give you the 1/3 chance you need. With basically no shooting rerolls available this leads to a lot of trepidation on the roll that keeps you on the edge of your toes. Plus you can have absurd moments where you fall into these dice rolling chains in order to determine the effect of ONE shooting attack that suddenly spawns five or six extra rolls. Random tables that you roll on semi frequently can either give you a last ditch chance, punish your ambition, or take the piss equally. The hobby portion is also great. The best terrain is the 3d printed stuff, the models themselves have huge 3d print support, since the scale is smaller you can actually do way more than usual, making bases into small dioramas or making each building a spectacle of detail. The models themselves are super encouraging for painting with lots of open space for freehand or transfers, and subtle conversion opportunity once you have the right inspiration.
>>97153863>>97154434Fair enough. But some force should have had the cultural aspects. Ripping out hearts in blood sacrifice would fit in perfectly in any number of niches in-universe.
>assembling some MkII guys at the LGS>"hey cool bro you making iron warriors?"This has happened at least three times.
>>97155749Give the next person some iron within.
Blackshields Alone and Forgotten+Blade of the JustArmistos: 105Plasma Cannon+power fist, Paragon of battle, +1T +1WMoritat: 105+overcharged plasma pistols, +1BS, +1WCenturion: 90+power sword, bolt pistol, paragon of battle, +1S, +1WCenturion: 105+power fist, combi-melta, , +1S, +1WCenturion: 90+power sword, bolt pistol, +1S, +1WCenturion: 90+power spear, bolter, +1S, +1WJump Centurion: 115+thunder hammer, bolt pistol, +1T, +1W++Tactical detachment++Jump Centurion: 110+power sword, bolt pistol, +1S, +1WCenturion: 95+Thunder hammer, bolt pistol, +1T, +1W++Tactical detachment++Centurion: 90+Power axe, bolter, +1T, +1W995I should be fighting the Space Wolves tomorrow.
>>97153962You realize the capital of Mexico is literally called Mexico City right
>>97154229What the fuck how well were you guys rolling saves. That's insane that much is left on turn five
>>97155220> Double melta warhoundDamn is this the ONLY based Mortis player???
>>97156009It's bullshit the capital of New Mexico isn't New Mexico City.
>>97156039They could >>97153962Mexicontinent
>>97155315Very based love me AT love me titans simple as
>>97155749>assembling at the store >interacting with those filthy retards any more than the minimum needed to get a game You brought this on yourself
>>97155778In their defense I haven't painted anything in my army yet as the project has just kinda been thin and slow, so ironically it wouldn't be too late to pivot and subvert any intentions of playing AL. Guess everyone else just typecasts armor marks.
I don't know why I hate painting these jet bikes so much, but when I finish this set I never want to touch one again. It just feels painful and awful.
>>97155749i hope you enjoy assembling your world eaters!!!
Is 3rd actually good? I liked 2nd since it was kinda like 1st but with some touch ups but when I was following 3rd's launch it seemed radically different and turned me away, but is it any good? I despise 40k 10th for being so piss baby retarded to invite new players that last a month, is 3rd like that? Or does it have depth? I don't want to bother buying the rule books if it's more like 10th
>>97155749time for Lamenters!
>>97156394>Is 3rd actually good?Yes. It's quite different and it certainly has problems but it's a far cry from 10th. I suppose I wouldn't say it has depth but it's not as doom and gloom as the leaks made people feel.
>>97156343>>97156412I could've sworn I had that one screencap with the dude casually remarking "cool space wolves!" on me but fuck I don't have it
>>97156430>but it's a far cry from 10thGenuinely all I needed to hear>but it's not as doom and gloom as the leaks made people feel.I was one of those people, but I'll take your word on it. How are Raven Guard? Shot out the idea last thread on painting them like the Nomad Predation Fleets (Space Sharks/Carcharodons) but that was mostly for a painting thing I wanted to do, but if I could use them in game that'd be sick. Alternatively, how are Thousand Sons? They're my favorite legion and I wasn't happy that in 2nd they were dogshit/paying for the sins of 1st.
>>97156037I wanna point out that out of every six or so games we've played so far that warhound has gotten exactly ONE shooting phase of because of how scared I am of dealing with that damage output
>>97156450I haven't played against either.So the one problem we've had with 3.0 that is its most 10th edition-est part is scoring. Standing on top of CD's like a nervous investor is extremely boring, especially when certain units will score more points just because, but there are ways around that.
>>97156484>I haven't played against either.Shame, I'll find out myself then>So the one problem we've had with 3.0 that is its most 10th edition-est part is scoring.Could be worse, but thanks anon
>>97156484>Standing on top of CD's like a nervous investor is extremely boring, especially when certain units will score more points just because, but there are ways around thatWhat would you like it to be, anon? Perhaps you are pro 9E Actions to score extra VP? Idk that looked fun :(
>>97156509I think it was 8th or 9th where you drew cards that changed your objectives per turn or once you'd achieved them. It wasn't perfect either but it was more dynamic. Like this turn you need to capture point A or destroy a vehicle, then you needed to capture two objectives or now you have to assassinate the enemy's warlord or just start killing.Perhaps this is because we haven't tried any of the missions other than what's in the main rulebook. We're still learning.
>>97156177>interacting with those filthy retards any more than the minimum needed to get a game>gaming with lgs dwellersishygddt
>>97156530...anon those were maelstrom of war cards in like 6th or 7th. And secondary slop would be even worse kinds of crap than holding objectives since it completely discentivizes interacting with the mission or your opponent and doing your dailies like a casual zoomer.
>>97156592surely it hasn't been that long
Corax is a jerk
So you can charge a unit if you shot a different unit?
20 doods without a dad
>>97156657yeah, one of the many core parts of 30k that are strictly inferior to 40k. Your squads are incentivized to be shitting missiles out their assholes backwards 30" away while charging forwards because if you shoot the unit you want to charge it actually makes your charge fail due to removal of the front rank (making pistols entirely pointless for melee units now that pistols don't give +1 attack)
>>97156704They’ve also leased two brand new Jeep Grand Cherokees.
>>97156704>superior mkIV Excellent
>>97156260So you are telling us that your army is so souless that you didn't even bother to put the minimal customization in it? You know this is bad? Very bad...
>>97151459>How do you feel about Word Bearers?Probably one of my favorite legions and they're underrrated. They set the foundation for the Heresy and 40k, color scheme and they love being evil. I think they deserve more spotlight
>>97156795>didn't even bother to put the minimal customization in it?Define customization. There's plenty of it to an extent, they are just not legion-specific modelling liberties while the army remains a thin & slow work in progress Between trying to make things less monotonous with swapping arm poses in every set of five dudes, chopping or adding bits here and there, the odd new helmet and making Seekers more bling, kitbashing Zephon to be a jump champ and defacing all the BA pageantry, as well as using shitmaris easy-builds as test models for trying out different shades, washes, and possibly techniques for finding the blue-green I want? I'm trying to use what resources I have on hand.I also noticed the fingers on the Saturnine Axe could line up with any left-handed power fist, I'd love to do something with that.
>3.0
>>97156710careful, the rear axles on those things'll just fly right off
>>97156705>volley attacks>pointlessI see you're innumerate
>>97156705This isn't any different in 40k you dimwit. At least get your facts straight when you decide to be a crying little baby shitting themselves.
>>97156394Ignore >>9715643, it's trash. 4 turn missions with progressive scoring on magic circles is literally right out of 40K. The Challenge system was solved before the game even released, you can literally find flow charts that tell you exactly what pick is optimal in any given situation and it's almost always the same couple of Gambits. The LoS system is a shitshow, allowing you to kill whole units that are completely out of sight if even one model is targetable, and the terrain rules are also a fucking mess such that if you designate terrain types in a way that makes logical sense you can end up with units standing 3.000000001" apart in a crater that the rules say can't see each other. The morale system seems like a great idea at first, but the way it interacts with the vehicle system means that bringing actual antitank weapons to kill tanks is a mug's game because if you whiff the very small chance you have to kill them outright they continue operating at full power, whereas if you brought a bunch of midstrength guns and glance the shit out of them not only do you have a decent chance of killing them by stacking statuses(which causes additional points of damage) but the status effects themselves will mean even if they don't die they become absolutely useless for at least a couple of turns which in a 4 turn game is almost as good as blowing them away completely. Army building is somehow both an overly complicated slog AND much less flavourful and interesting than either previous edition. Oh and hope you weren't planning a drop pod army, a teleporting army, a termite siege army, or anything else of that nature, because in 3.0 you can deep strike one unit per turn.A lot of people are coping incredibly hard, but it's not good, in fact it's very bad and it ain't okay.
>>97157326No idea what happened there, it's meant to read:Ignore >>97156430
Did my first attempt at a checker pattern, I'm satisfied with how it came out, but it's very finicky and time consuming. Don't think I'll do this that often, if only because it takes so long. Don't suppose there's any ways to speed up the process other than practice?
>>97157326>Reddit spacing
>>97157547Make the pattern with a pencil first, it makes blocking in the squares a lot faster and easier
>>97155749>going to the LGSDo you enjoy the smell of bitter inceldom, unwashed ass and pit stains, anon? LGSs are objectively the most disgusting places a human can imagine, one step away from a homeless encampment.
>>97157326Why are you still here? You have been proven mathematically wrong on multiple of these points you keep posting several times, it is very clear you never play, and even more obvious you don't like anything about the horus heresy. Are you such a masochist that you can't stop hurting yourself? Or are you just that dedicated to trolling? Your life must be very miserable if you are genuinely this obsessed with something you hate.
>>97157585The choices here are slim>the LGS that actually remotely gives a shit about wargames is still relatively new and most seem to be fairly hygienic for now>the other is almost solely TCGs and has some of the worst ventilation I've ever dealt with in a shop>there is a weekly club for Facebook boomers but the only ones left last I checked are playing board games, while the guy who runs it mostly really plays AoS on other nights>no board game cafes to speak of
>>97157326Attempting to status down a heavy tank works great until they bring one techmarine or techpriest and easily clear all your statuses. No way you'll glance it to death in anything approaching a reasonable time, since that requires six midstrength hits on average per glance and they don't even automatically do a hull point until you start getting duplicate statuses. If they don't have maintenance crews or you've killed them then yes, you can make a Kratos really sad with a Vultarax suppressing it, but at that point you've successfully countered the unit just as surely as if you shot it with six rapiers.
>>97157007Some legion specific customization like torsos, legs, bits, weapons and so on. Imho your customization + the one that I mentioned is what makes the soul of an army. I love to see those, not the nu 5 same poses possibly even without legion shoulderpads.
Traitor painting guide is up. The equal attention cake has been delivered.
>>97157547The power first isn't bad but seriously thin your white, it looks chalky. Try blocking the pattern in a less dense pigment first, like Celestra Grey or its non-Citadel equivalent and bring it up to white once you're satisfied with the pattern.
>>97151459What whiney bollocks lmao. “3.0 is like bad because I might talk to my opponent over something, and 2.0 is good because of one retarded playstyle that I’m gonna keep bringing up”
are you guys enjoying the painting guides
>>97158126>No DAFalse advertisement.
>>97158317Buy an ad faggot.
>>97158336I’m not the guy clearly recoding while high for clickbait views, I’m just laughing at him
>reading newest bl sloppa>there a custodes>she>must be a typo>she>wtf>she>lmao all immersion cooked
>>97158549Sorry bro, I was horny. Didn't know life would, uh, find a way.The real danger of girls in the Cool Fort is that they could give birth to posthumans somehow and replace mankind. Idk...maybe that'd be okay? Men of Gold 2.0, dancing to the Emperor's tune
>>97158549It's such a lame retcon, and the worst part of it is GW pretending it's not.Meanwhile SoS keep getting ignored and forgotten, proving it is not about empowering women at all, but purely about ruining things for others.
>>97158317"No, the difference is that both 1st and 2ed were writen with the "talk with your opponent in mind. 3ed is not writen like that. It is like AoS, w40k and other GW games, played out of the box and if something does not work, or does not translate well from prior editions to 3ed it is on You, and only you. That is the problem, especialy for people who were used to playing the prior editions. It is like you can't play the game without 3-4 line 2 units. If you do you will have a very bad time and it is on you. On top of that the game is not fitted well for the old style armies (All dreads, all tanks, all bikes, all terminators, all destroyers etc) and EXTREMLY limited in scenarios you can play, and one of them is a bit of a "go first win" one. That is the problem. And it is a problem big enough to throw shadow on stuff 3ed does well, stuff like no re-rolls etc. 2ed did not need the changes that 3ed brought, to be a better game. drop WS/BS on contemtpors and their inv. curve re-rolls, fix the really bad stuff (salamanders, 1ksons psychic powers etc) and it would have been great. Instead we get a 1000 steps to do a charge move. That is retarded.
>>97158118Would probably look into that more if I had a 3D printer, sounds great for more elite units absolutely. While I don't imagine Tactical blobs especially getting too blinged-up, alleviating the monotony of monopose is definitely the least one can try to do. With melee it's a bit more fun with the upgrades kit having a lot of arm poses, but that demand for running bodies can really be felt.
>>97158549I mean I chuckled when she started to have tears in her eyes, when she was opening a door. The chaos cult mutant lady having her head bashed in by some civilian imperials telling her "things" like her were not worth living and her crying and going yes I am not worth to live was comedy pure. One of thos "so we do this in my marine bolter porn now" moment.
>>97158732>On top of that the game is not fitted well for the old style armies (All dreads, all tanks, all bikes, all terminators, all destroyers etc)waacfags on suicide watch
>>97158732I've won my last game without bringing any Line 2, having nothing but terminators and veterans for infantry. Tactical squads are fucking useless. Having strong units that can stay on the points and kick back enemy units trying to shift them score more VP than tactical squads who can't even risk getting within LOS without dying instantly.Slowly getting convinced that in 3.0 any army can win if you have the right game plan, the game no longer revolves purely about army composition like in older editions.
>>97158822Yep lol. What we’ve been trying to tell people. Line is great but it leaves no room for defensive play versus vanguard which are great units in their own right for the most part
>>97158822Umm sweety that goes against the loudest online discourse so it's wrong and bad think ok?3.0 is badwrong
>>97158840Command squads are also great, they kick the absolute shit out of most units with vanguard but still score full VP from an objective. Dropping a cataphractii command squad on a point basically means it's yours for the entire game, unless your opponent dedicates most of their army into killing them for usually multiple turns.
>>97156704> Manlet mkIVYikes
>>97158732Says who lmao. 2.0 REQUIRED those talks because of how vague a lot of rules were but you can absolutely still have those talks, they’re just not a required act for every match. Also those “old style” armies were fucking retarded in the last edition too and you were rightfully considered a bit of a cunt for doing that, even then the only one of these remotely difficult to do is dreadnought spam and drop pods. The rest are still completely doable.3.0 was a huge rewrite because 2.0 needed a huge rewrite. No clue where this idea that the edition was fine comes from. Play any army that’s not space marines with a core of termies/dreads and it’s blatantly obvious. A 3-4 step charge you have a hard time understanding does not even out how shit 2.0 was for most armies
Aesthetically would there be any difference between Vulkan’s Saturnine and the original Phoebian pattern Saturnine? Kinda wanna use some painted as deliverers for the exiled Terran XIX and Forges of Saturn mentioned them having some of the old shit, but unsure if the phoebian stuff would’ve looked different or if it doesnt even matter at all
>>97158732>Instead we get a 1000 steps to do a charge moveBrainlet gatekept
>>97158930Not that we know of. And even the new updated pattern Vulkan made has the Saturn Eagle on the chest, so there probably aren't any obvious outward visual differences.
>>97158930The original stuff would probably look like stuff that was reforged after major damage or having battle damage and makeshift patches, because the whole thing was that the saturnine Conclaves designed it to be impossible to repair outside Phoebe to ensure their continued existence so all the suits of saturnine were used until their breaking point and then tossed into a pile to get repaired whenever the battlegroup had time to get back to Terra (most didn't)
>>97158965Amazing thanks
>>97158970I was already gonna paint everyone with mechanics standard gray armor plates every here and there to look patchworked, maybe armor mix II and III while I’m at it, so I think that could work for the saturnine termies
>>97158549this is a funny illustration.no one want to take any part in this petty squabble
HERE WE GO
Ligma Strategia PDF when pls? :D
Whoops points change
>>97159325Squad's rolling out for a game?
>>97159379love that champion on the left, it remind me of better times
Lmao I should have double checked that deployment
>>97159487i hope that's medium terrain in front of you
>>97159497Lol terrain rules
>>97159497or the infinitely dense heavy terrain
>>97159497Even if it's a terrain piece it will block LOS, only light area terrain can be seen through freely.
=Primary Detachment (Word Bearers) 665P]-Diabolist, jump pack, force sword, bolt pistol 135---> Logistical Benefit-cata esoterist, force axe, combi-grenade 135LB]- Phraetus conclave, 3 twin heavy disintegrators, 4 particle shredders, anointed war axe 395=Daemonic Manifestation Auxiliary Detachment (Word Bearers) [from diabolist] 400-5 daemon brutes, formless distortion 200-5 daemon brutes, heedless slaughter 200=Allied Detachment (Sons of Horus) 295P]- Tartaros centurion, dual lightning claws 105--->Logistical BenefitLB]- Tartaros squad, sgt power sword, 4 power fists 190=Allied Detachment (Thousand Sons) 140- Despoiler squad, sgt power fist, vexila, hvy chainsword, power spear 140I'm either going to have a very fun time or a very bad one this Saturday.
>>97157561>>97157601He’s right and you know it. This edition hasn’t been received well for any variation of reasons he mentioned. They tried to reinvent the wheel instead of fixing a couple things. The game lost flavor and reeks of 40k adjacent competitive shit. Look at content for 3.0. It barely exists compared to the other editions. You can like it all you want but that won’t cause it to be widely accepted.
Fuck me tech threalls are gog waters to build the first time round
>>97160179It wasn’t received well because the base missions sucked and legacies didn’t come with launch. The earliest games sucked ass because of it and led to a massive number of misconceptions in the edition. Even beyond that though most of this rant is just pure nonsense. I guess the game does seem simpler though when every weapon doesn’t have 5 keywords but don’t forget that this other rule makes his brain hurty lmao
>>97160179He is factually wrong about glancing being a more efficient way to deal with vehicles, amongst other things. But don't let facts or math get in the way of your seething.Don't care about how the edition was received, especially not by people on the internet that I will never see or play against in real life. And absolutely never wanted HH to become widely accepted or popular. The most kino years was during the content drought, when we didn't get any big releases for years. Had mostly anons posting their hobby projects, discussing lore, and giving tips on how to get the most out of the game during it, it was the best the HH community has ever been. But the launch of 2.0 has caused HH to gain more attention, which always leads to fucking retards and tourists coming in and completely ruining shit. Just because they are too mentally challenged to understand anything, and their solution is blaming everybody around them for their own stupidity. I sincerely hope that 3.0 has bombed, because that is genuinely the best thing that could happen for HH. It would let the people who actually enjoy the setting enjoy it for what it is in peace.But this sadly doesn't seem to be the case, with shithead tourists like you still being around and even YTroons now making their slop content about HH.
>>97157326you're right that HH3 does suck cock with really shitty rules, but wrong on vehicles.There are 3 ways of dealing with vehicles in 3rd that aren't 100% pointless.1 - ignoring them entirely. The most reliable of all methods, as it costs 0 points.2 - Armourbane strength 100 no-statuses - just kill them outright instantly. Kratos god-meltas working in tandem with rapier lasers, teleporting breacher lasers 1" away with zero scatter, etc. It takes about 1000-1200 points to guarantee kill one 400-point tank, so it's a gamble where you instantly lose the game in 1 second if they've brought no tanks and instead have stuff like infiltrator foot units and speedbuff scars termies on foot, etc. This is by far the most effective method if you bully your friends who are too poor to meta-chase so they bring the same setup of shitty tanks every game which stand zero chance of surviving kratos+rapier.3 - specifically Shock status counter-picking while sniping mechanics. For basically every tank in game, there's only 1 status that justifies Shock. For the landraider that's immobilize. For the kratos that's snapshots-only. Though auto-repair and mechanics instantly fixing their tank tracks before the tank even moves every single turn means this strategy is 100% worthless if they take a mechanic and you spend hundreds of points having deepstrikers or jetbike flankers go hunt the mechanic down early (because while it's alive your entire pretend-antitank is actually scoring 0 points of real damage and the enemy tank successfully transports his squad onto obj or kills your tanks)That's all. Your idea "just glance them with S8 guns" is 100.000% garbage. Even 2000 points of "glancing fag missiles" isn't reliable antitank. They miss, miss, miss, fail to glance, fail to glance, fail to glance, roll wrong status, roll wrong status, slowly saturate them, then finally when like 30 missiles have hit the tank it deals 1 point of damage. And then their mechanic repairs 3.
>>97160179>It barely exists compared to the other editionsI can count the number of yt channels that routinely made 1.0 content on one hand
>>97160495How many fingers are missing on that hand lmao
How long did it take you to build up a 3k army?
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>>97160459Doing the math on this, it takes between 99-126 krak missile shots to glance a Kratos to death on average
>>97160519What does build actually mean here; buying the kits, building the models,or getting everything painted because only faggots play Grey models
>>97160566NTA but i’d assume table ready, which would vary from person to person depending how fast they are at painting
>>97157326>>97160554and to demonstrate just how retarded the "glance vehicles" strat is.100x krak missile troops (2500 points) versus a Kratos that never bothers to pop its smoke launchers and is standing in front of 100 visible missiles launchers that are stationary = 31.81% chance of eliminating the intentionally not using any terrain at all Kratos. For 2500 points of 100 missile soldiers. If we bump it to 120 krak heavies for your entire 3000 points you get a 59% chance to pop one single kratos.In real games, the glancing performs exceptionally worse, as you can't legally take an entire army of heavy support. If you drop it to say 40 missiles they don't even have the chance to saturate the target with statuses and have a 0.03% chance of killing kratos (3 kills in 10,000 simulated rounds) - average damage for 40 missiles on kratos was 2.1 wounds dealt from glances.
>>97158317Seeing people use Winters as their rallying point to why 3.0 sucks is funny to me as a bonafide 40kfag because he is genuinely buttfuck retardedBack in 9th edition he got a review copy of the genestealer cults codex, couldn't figure out how crossfire worked, had a massive hissy fit over it, and refused to either review them or have them on the channel for the rest of the editionLike, this dude is NOT the fag you want to be representing you, at least macca is somewhat coherent
>>97160566>>97160593Yeah fully painted, i'm trying to aim for 3k meanicum fully painted by the end of feb.
Was the the mega link pruned?
>>97160619He's also a massive cheater who got rules wrong to his advantage in every 2.0 battle report of his I watched, and he was too retarded to understand even the vastly simplified cybertheurgy of last edition
>>97160648Some fuckheads kept snitching, so now we no longer have a mega archive.
Why can’t I make a subterranean assault termite list and cause mayhem as my drills come from below? That’s all I wanted to do and I can’t even do that now. It’s fucking gay. Explain to me why I should give any shit about this edition. I’m honestly open ears.
>>97160648Ya I don’t know why some fags kept ratting this place out. GW doesn’t sell the old books and it’s almost as if they want the public to forget them.
>>97160689Darn. I just wanted two books, and I ain't paying for that.
>>97160704Which books, anon?
>>97160718Fulgrim and Angel Exterminatus.
>>97160704you can find books on a location called "google", they don't actually come from these threads
>>97160459>Though auto-repair and mechanics instantly fixing their tank tracks before the tank even moves every single turnSomeone did not read the rules on auto-repair>>97160519I built over 2000 pts this year because I LOCKED THE FUCK IN and started working on my backlog
>>97160459>Decide to ignore enemy tanks and play the objective game>Watch helplessly as a Spartan with flamers cooks my infantry off the objective>This_Is_Fine.jpg
>>97161056if you're running the swarm, you put chainfist champions in prime slots, gives up nothing and tanks aren't allowed within flamethrower range ever as chainfists hitting on 2+ absolutely rape AV14.
>>97161084*master sargeant in a chosen squad, not the actual "champion" character
>>97160758Here, anon: https://gofile.io/d/eezZpY
>>97161256>https://gofile.io/d/eezZpYThank you kindly, winter-anon.
>>97161683lol, Lotara is a treasure
>>97152285Eldar. It'd expand the breadth of factions dramatically.
Total war Horus heresy in 3 hours
one thing will never change. brainlets will talk about how they've succeeded with non-meta lists/units as if their anecdotal experience against their fellow local brainlets means anything in the larger context
>>97161056>400 point brick takes out 100 point tac squad and scores 0 vanguard + 0 off objectiveuh yeah epic play dude
Are the legacies pdf unit any good? Deliverers might be kino for my RG with Lightning Claws or Power Fists
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>>97159379>>97159487So I had 2 games today, kinda messy. My opponent was new and this was only my second go so we messed a lot up but that's how we learn. It was about 850-ish points of mech vs 900-ish and then 800-ish points of Blackshields. My opponent wasn't have any fun since he was just rolling absolutely appallingly. That challenge there against the archmagos went 4 or 5 rounds even though it had a paragon blade because it was just a parade of misses and failures to wound and me constantly making invul saves. Eventually we just stopped fighting and moved on.The same thing actually happened twice more where the challenges stretched on a parade of failures. We were just swapping Finishing Blow and Flurry of Blow gambits since I didn't feel like badgering my opponent with an array of tactical choices that wasn't going to help. It was really just terribly and bizarrely consistent. My moritat was silly. It killed 4 thallax and himself in one turn. Elvis killed the last 2 with a critical hit plasma cannon blast.
>>97162146The archmagos did kill a couple guys but that just helps me. Trying to fight the thanatar with the power sword was kinda funny but we just stopped the first game there. My opponent was pretty disappointed with the mechanicum's damage output but part of that was fighting against all-centurions and most of it was terrible dice.
>>97162159The second game was a bit more organized. I actually lost, I was tabled though that's because I took action in my final turn, if I had done nothing I would have won. Elvis put another critical hit blast on the thallax but was killed in the return fire and the last centurion there was killed in a challenge.I did beat the thanatar to death with a S9 power fist after the Moritat put 6 wounds on it in one phase.
>>97153109Objectively so. You then use a Thaumaturge as a Harbinger.
does anyone have any examples of people putting bonding studs on cataphractii? trying to get an idea of where placement would makes sense and what are popular patterns on the shoulders. The idea is to make them look more grizzled have something show that these guys have been fighting in this terminator plate for a while and are good at their jobs
>>97162379Since the shoulders are a trapezoid I would think three studs on the inside and two on the outside in between
>Every Titanicus discount or box set is shoving warhound titans down your throat>Nobody is massing warlord or warbringers for the real contendersgoddamn pit bull mommies the lot of them. You Just Know.
>>97162379resin Abaddon has them on his thighs and shoulderssome of the Justaerin have them (in spike form)the SOH cata praetor has someGarrius has some on his shin, which is unusualVaragyr have surprisingly uniform ones on their shoulders and legsTyphon has some on his shouldersI assume there have been others now OOP
>>97156473Krytos player here.I have a warbringer that i gave a quake cannon and two meltas, and it confuses people into doing the dunbest shit.Try it, it's very fun to play: absolutely not optimal, but hilarious when it works.
>>97163252That sounds pretty goddamn potent, Anon, your lies won't sway me
>>97153953I would love to see that.
>>97159439simpler times, perhaps
>>97163657Longer
>>97158317I haven't watch the video but 3.0 is a failed edition
>>97160619I don't get the Macca hate, I like him.>>97161910>Primaris slopNo thanks
>>97161867Eldar were buck broken by that time.
>>97163731As opposed to?
>>97163750The Imperium, who were mogging left and right, the xenocels were on suicide watch
>>97163783I mean when haven't the Eldar been buck broken?
>>97161910thankfully, I will never fall for buying a Creative Assembly product ever again in my life after the messes of three kingdoms and total war warhammer 3.And the one guaranteed 100% true thing is CA cannot do a shooting game, so TW40k will be fucking buggy horse-shit worse than starcraft 1 from like 30 years ago.
>>97162104The units vary from decent to actually good. Things like destroyers and bike command squads are genuinely kind of scary to play against. Haven't come across a unit that is unplayable yet.
Night Lords primus medicae. Cataphractii box body and bolter, Death Guard combi melta, NL terror squad head, tabbard from some russian site, hands from primus medicae blister, poches mk4 marines, mlapothecary vials Grey Knights terminators, chain GSW, skulls 3d print and gw skulls box
And here is the photo :/
>>97164149Still need to remove some of those mold lines, but looks good otherwise.
>>97164153Wow, true. Totally missed it. Thanks for noticing haha
>>97160758HH epubs are extremely easy to find via googleskill issue
Karacnos Assault Tank- anyone used one in 3.0? Is it a good status machine?
>>97162146> I unironically play games on the GW approved Cuck cardboardBig oof
>>97165076Well then, post some of your games anon. Show us the incredible tables you play HH on.
>>97162159> Well painted and based army that actually looks like an army forced to play a mediocre meme list of all heroesYeah I'd be disappointed too
>>97162873Because it's two small sprues that have already been paid off with a choice of one or another small sprues of weapons (also paid off). It is their most cost effective choice.I wish it was a reaver or something. It won't ever be a warlord
>>97163252I remember playing when Kratos was the worst Legio.Now it's fucking sweet.JUSTICE for ASTRAMEN
>>97165080I play on a battle map as was intended (as revealed to the Prophet Blessings and Peace Be Upon Him), on a six by four table.
>>97165090Wonder what the return on investment of the old rhino and land raider moulds looks like. Those things must have been run through like an old whore, GW is still selling those models to this day.
>>97165107You know the drill. Pics or it didn't happen.
>>97165120they've been retooled a couple of times
This list isn't super meta or anything at 1.5k?>Cybernetica arch magos>Regular magos>Unit of 4 Castallax>Calix Thanatar>2 units of six thallax with two multi meltas, beyonets and melta bombs in each unit>15 techthralls>Iradiator Krios
>>97165286MORE thallax, because they are wonderful models.
>>97165313I will at 2k+, if i could just make an entire list of castellax and thallax i would. A thallax officet as a hq would go hard, like give him some cool weapon options
Posting my epic scale stuff. I love you guys.
>>97165286looks basically like any other admech list i've ever seen. I don't know if that means it's meta or admech players are unimaginative, though. cool to include tech-thralls, I don't usually see those.
>>97165332>A thallax officet as a hqStop, I can only be so erect at once!
>>97165463Just looking at this picture makes me think 'OH SHIT' in my mind.Imagine being infantry and one of these suckers crunches it's way out of the shadow of the bombed out building.
>>97165487>one hands one of the thallax guns or someother options like mauler a bolt canon, volkite, Darkfire or c beamer in the left hand>right hand us a selection of ancient power rare melle weapons>Can replace his gun with a heavy shield or both weapons a series of pole arms if you want to fluff him as magos body guard (could be a consoul style upgrade)
Last one. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
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>>97158822And I have seen games that ended turn 1, because of math. one person had line 2 on his objectives the other had line 1. Line 2 person went first, line 1 person failed to push him off objective. And game was done, seen it happen multiple times.
>>97165579Fukken awesome
>>97158896Yes. And what happened in 2ed? I will bring X, opponent said I will bring Y or I only have A, can you bring something else. In 3ed the talks go. My army can't score, because of how GW wrote the lists or I can't have a warlord for my army, because there is no tank warlord or dreadnought warlord option. And the opponent opponents it is what it is, go buy 40 tacticals, land raiders , rapiers etc and then we can play. And 2.0 did not need a huge rewrite. Also the "dreadnough" boogy man was only a specific load out of contemptors. My friends army consisted of 7 contemptors, 2 leviathans and 3 doredeos. Only the Doros had long range weapons, his weapon was many thing. But it was not OP. But lets say it was OP for someone. Just ally in an IH moritat with grav. The whole dreadnought army does not exist suddenly. On top of that we went from removing stuff that people do like terminators, bikes and dreadnoughts to promote AV14 spam and "siege" stuff(rapaiers/vindicators etc). Great if you are an IW player sucks for everyone else, especialy so if the whole theme of your army is non static combat . In fact aside for LoS/terrain rules that is the core bad thing about 3ed rule set. the Legion units, the core of what your army should be are for many factions just extremly bad, to a point where the proper 3ed way to play those factions is to use as few legion units as possible. I will take all the most WAAC Stone Phallus and dreadnought spams over the stuff that exist now.
>>97165579what kind of a mad man buys 6 kratos and arms them the same way, and then mounts a pulley lift, so he can make pictures from the level of the ceiling? I guess this is what happens when people don't work and have too much money.
>>97166004Why'd you build a list that can't score?
>>97166022Because the core idea behind HH was that you could play those armies, you can't play in w40k anymore. All jump packs, all tanks , all bikes etc.My army is 100% bike and jetbike mounted. If I were to follow advice on how to make my army work. In regular games I should just buy a new army, and in a casual setting I could maybe fit in a unit of bikes/jetbikes. I should definitly not use any land speeders. Which by the way mirrors what happened to my army in w40k. I litteraly started HH, because in w40k GW decided to remove all bike units, bike characters, attack bikes, speeders , scout bikes etc.
>>97165554>>right hand us a selection of ancient power rare melle weaponsPft. They can't even do a power fist right, look at Myrmidon and Castellax. Isn't the Magos the only actual SX2 AP2 power fist in the army?>Swap gun for a shield or halberdIt's like Mk3 power armour with a jump pack. Theoretically possible, but never seen before. Even Custodes don't jump with that, neither could Thallax or Ursarax.
>>97166079so skill issue
>>97166126yes. Play what you want, a thing you could do for 5 editions of w40k and 2 editions of HH, and not being able to do it anymore, is a skill issue. I wonder if we ever reach the level of "skill" w40k has right now. The level of "why aren't you playing ultramarines, if you play marines".
>>97166341the difference is in w40k you can play non-ultramarines and have fun they just aren't hyper-optimal.in 30k most shit isn't just not hyper-optimal it's just terrible.
>>97163786Silence monkey
>>97166376Nta, to hell with monkeys. They are far too strong for their size and they bit and shit. I don't know why anyone ever wanted a monkey butler
>>971660191) They’re printed (everything other than the titans are prints).2) Las seems like the best way to arm them… and that’s their role anyway - durable long range anti-armor.3) pulley lift = my lithe wife leaning over and snapping the photo. I work like a fucking dog and though certainly not “rich,” I’m solidly middle class.
>>97166004>can't have a warlord for my army, because there is no tank warlord or dreadnought warlord option.The FoTAfag cries in pain even as he strikes you
why can I find 1000 right handed swords and axes but no right handed terminator powerfists?!Blood angel paladins get a fist option but the shieldwall is all left handed.
>>97166939The only GW right handed terminator power fist that I'm aware of is the Tartaros one, for lightning claws. Other than that, you need to print it.
>>97166987I guess I'll just get this guy and make a few greenstuff clones of it. Flag guy wouldn't even use a fist anyway, would swap him to hammer or paragon blade.
>>97166939Would Evander garrius's fist work?
>>97167041You really want to find a local printer guy for bits. You really do.
>>97166939Because we deserve to suffer
>>97167047I wish. I've had to get prints off etsy and they're the exact same price of getting identical clones of real stuff from china.
>>97167085Facebook, local 3d printing group, anon. They're in every city. If I can find it in fucking Eastern Europe, so can you.Now, I don't want you to get a resin printer yourself, despite them being $200, because I know you'll fuck it up and get turboaidscancer from resin.
>>97167140I'm not chatting with 500 websites and groups of mentally ill people that want me to join and pay big fees and charge $5 for a powerfist. There's no "just find a guy"First results on fbook, dead groups, dead groups, nutjob "you must post real photographs of yourself in a non-group setting which we use an AI software to prevent abuse to apply to join our group"I'm not wasting my valuable time interacting with that human garbage.
>>97167211The 40k chaos terminators have a right handed power fist and chainfist if you want to try cutting and converting.
>>97167211You're on 4chan
>>97167233Wow, thanks anon. I think I have a single box of chaos termies from before I quit 40k. Looks like it'll look just fine.
>>97166703Because bananas are cheaper than gold.
>>97166939Tartaros literally has two fits
>>97165579based as fuck
>>97167041>Flag guy wouldn't even use a fist anyway, would swap him to hammer or paragon blade.uh anonhave you read the rules?
>>97167041>Flag guy wouldn't even use a fist anyway, would swap him to hammer or paragon blade.Based rules ignorer
>>97168143>>97167907I already read his profile before, he's entirely worthless so I don't have it word-for-word memorized (someone'd have to have no fucking life to memorize every possible option on a bad datasheet they literally don't even own)
>>97168446>VP battery>Bad>You'd have to have no life to memorize every option on him>2 optionsBased retard
>>97168457there's hundreds of units, I have actual useful things in my brain unlike an unemployed faggot virgin like you, retard
>>97167907>>97168143The funniest part is him specifically saying paragon blade,you know, the weapon option that has been exclusive to praetors, and later champions since the beginning of heresy. The absolute state of no games lol.
>>97156710lovely IH anon
>>97168512Are paragons actually good in some gambit or matchup? Maybe it's for killing small-time 5++ Centurions or something
>>97168723They're decent against DG players since they'll be spamming their special gambit, especially if youre a WS7 PoB champion
>>97167041I love this guy because numk3 looks a lot better without the weird chunky trim
Is there any way to include Thanatars in a Marine list without an allied detachment?
I did some WS painting for a game this week. Army still has so much work to go on it but was good enough for the table. Had a really good 3k match WS vs WB using the new SN mission packs and played "Viel of Falsehoods" misson. Was an absolute blast and golden Keshig are so fkn fun, zipping around wrecking tanks and blasting infantry.
>>97168771The DG gambit sets their Toughness to T6-7, making it harder for hammers to harm them...so you'll use a S5 blade instead? I rather fear their EW2 prime instead. Like wow. Finisher hammer to the face? D1.Lucky for everyone else that it only works on Cataphractii Centurions specifically. Like, getting a master's degree in Siege Breaking or Saturnine Armour removes the bonus. Lucky for us that it does.
>>97168723Paragon blades are genuinely scary in a challenge now. Critical Hit is a much more powerful special rule than I initially anticipated.
>Arch MagosDon>MagosBoss>DomitarMusscle>CastallaxGoon>ThrallsMooks>ThallaxHitmen
>>97168798No. What's the problem with an allied detachment though? All you need is a magos alongside the Thanatar.
So why are tacticals in rhinos terrible?
>>97169064Because people can't figure out how to kill a rhino or ten 1 wound 3+ infantry.
>>97169036>ArcuitorDon's Daughter>VoraxPet tiger>ScyllaxThe hounds
>>97169080We surely live in a cruel world
>>97169064Because it's too easy to kill 10 3+ save 1w infantry
>>97169083>>97169036>Tech PriestsFixers
>>97169103Got 2 tacs and rhinos in my list and IDK if it's even worth taking them instead of a kratos or something, or another command option in the primary detachment for another auxilary detachment
>>97165944Unironically, skill issue.
>Careing about objectives and not just focusing on pure fire power
>>97169177I'm debating just dropping the tacticals, or maybe one squad + rhino to have more space for silly shenanigans
>>97169184Black shields call
>>97169211I was originally debating going with blackshields for my army's theme (the nomad predation fleet terran raven guard) but I also like Deliverers and think they're fluffy for the army. Weapons of Desperation and Pride Is Our Armor sounds mighty sick though
>>97169230Black shields are very fun, old school yourdudes
Should I skip all the Black Angels books? I want to get a feel for them but I read thier trash and don't add anything?
>>97169447What would you like BA fluff to be like?
So, are the 40k Assault Termies the only feasible way to amass thunder hammers in plastic if I want them on Cataphractii? As much as I'd love to get some Indomitus, I'd feel a bit bad leaving them to exclusively lightning claws.
>>97165944how is some line mooks not getting melted by vanguard turn 2 or even turn 1 with fast units by either combat or shooting so far tactically past most anons? absolute skill issue.
How are you even loseing units in the first turn? Even if they charge in with bikes and jumpack they will just get blasted in the face right after so its a bad move.
>>97169553prints or resin are the only feasible way. 10 Firedrake hammer terminators from china are ~$48 with my ordinary discounts. Plastic would be $110 for 10 hammer terminators in old kit and $117 for 10 in new plastic. The 3 thunderhammer "cataphractii upgrade kit" I could get 4x for 12 hammers for ~$34 total (with bonus 8 mauls, 4 reaper autocannons and some combis thrown in)And I expect printer would do you pure hammers with nothing else for $10-20 instead of $110, though not every printer has ones that instantly look official.
