Two-faced Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>97162265>TQWas DFC a mistake?
Repostin'>The stranger evaded them once; he can do so again," said Morcant. "Send him back.">"It's 'them,'" said Kirol, getting back to their feet. "And no. I won't go. I'm not dying for you people.">"You're dying for whatever I say you are," said Morcant. "We need more dawnglove. Go. Lluwen, make him go."
Friendly reminder that a RW hybrid card copying a triggered ability isn't a color pie break because this colorless artifact did it years ago, therefore all colors can copy things on the stack. Same thing applies to dealing noncombat damage (Meteorite) and destroying permanents (Meteor Golem).
DFC for art and Vorthos. Not using DFC for gameplay? No way!
>>97168889I liked this card. Any fun decks with it around? Probably in Pioneer?
Trigger warning: Transphobia
>>97168776>>97169005Will we be seeing more discrimination? I know homophobia doesn't exist in the MTG universe but will we get actual racism and sexism?
Full art. Apparently the requirements for the feet were very specific.
>fixedyou’re welcome.
Bigger please
>>97169039those feet look really off like they were trying to go for a satyr look and ended up with pig hooves or something
>>97168889Bullshit. Artifacts have broad access (tied to a steep cost sometimes but not always) to all types of abilities. Hybrid is one of the harder designs to get right, it should be restricted to abilities that both colors have regular access. Kirol is a color break.
>>97169051They are shifting doubling triggers into white.
>Ten bans>consecutive Izzet top8 and worlds decks>More than 20 bans since FIRE design >PR damage control after YouTubers clown on White for sucking so hard>Still no powerful white cardsJoin my crusade or continue to watch Magic suffer
>>97169059Not really. It looks like an ability they throw in legendaries for Commander reasons.
>>97169039Looks like a sicilian woman (derogatory).
I don't even care to clown on this game in any official manner whatsoeverEveryone has been telling them how to fix the game for decades and all they do is put more gay shit no one gives an actual shit about to pander to 0.1% of the player base and to people that don't even know this fucking game existsLet it wither and stagnate like it deserves to
>>97169116>0.1% of the player baseyou underestimate the size and spending power of the gay (commander) community
>>97169124wotc clearly overestimates the size and spending power of the gays just because two trannies keep spamming reposts and messages on troomblr
>>97168730>TQUnambiguously, yes. I hate that they shoved them into lorwyn.
>>97168730We need TFC. Is time for it.
>>97169039Goat leg challenge for any aspiring artist to attempt
>>97169039These are not real hooves, they are badly executed. The rest is deliciously thick i must admit.
>>97169180It can be done:• A morph creature (1st side the sleeve), that can be turned over (2nd side the front) and can be transformed (3rd side the back of the card).A fourth side you ask? The back of the card is a flipcard.
I want mutatefuck you i want mutate in standard nowi dont even play the game but fuck you i want mutate
>>97169180MDFC where both sides have adventure or similar mechanic
>two face cards are already a problem>they touch such cards like battles and forget completely about it>motherfuckers want THREE faced cards alreadyYou, faggots, need Jesus.
>>97169040based boob anonlove ya
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/premodern#onlineIt's actually up, still can't believe it's real
>>97169094Just look at the artworks in standard.
>>97169315If you were to extend Pioneer back by few sets, to create new format, how many would it be? And of course it wouldn't include any UB.
>>97169375easy, go all the way back to zendikar and unban allied fetches so we have all 10
>>97169425nah fuck that, no fetches
>>97169040do you use topaz gigapixel to do these?
>>97169430then good luck convincing people to play your format lmao
>>97169462if that's your deal breaker then you're gone and lost, brother
>>97169040Now make Loot licking her toes.
>>97169039>>97169040>Perfect>Fat face>FAIL
>>97169040>Those feetlmao
>>97168889Every colour gets ability copying because commander players lap that shit up like crazy so they always print like 5 cards with some type of doubling effect every set now.
FUCK ELVES, I 'ATE ELVES, KILL ELVES
>>97169059kind of like flickering but more gay.
>>97169552Her cheekbones look pretty gaunt.
>>97169028Removing racism from Lorwyn's elves would gut their entire characterization.
>>97169039>>97169040WotC art direction be like....>HoovesNah.>Literally just regular feet with weird toesYeah that's the stuff.
>>97169039I want this altered as her being in a pairof high heels
>>97169315Honestly sick to see.Looks like a very healthy metagame, too.
>>97169040You are a gentleman and a scholar.The yin to Loot's yang. The balance to the the booba force. Divine justice manifest.
https://www.youtube.com/live/nwMKlOybCqoget in here
BRING BACK PLANESWALKERS BEING GOOD FUCK YOU WOTC I DON'T GIVE A FUCK ABOUT EDH>but anon nobody here likes planeswalkers. They were the beginning of the end.SHUT THE FUCK UP THEY WERE FUN! YOU THINK THE GAME IS BETTER NOW?! HAHAHAHAHAHA
Please hurry up with the announced Amulet Titan ban, WotC.the format is dying.
>>97169438No, I'm an oldfag - believe it or not I still use good ol' Photoshop. Note that I'm a graphic designer so I have a lifetime license to all of their tools, but still. Both the WotC website and the artist shared high res source for this one so it's easy enough to edit. I just do these for fun and it is an excuse to practice stuff you don't normally get asked to do.
>>97169743yeah I think the game was better before planeswalkers. the first time I quit was around when they were first created.you kids have no idea about what the game was like when it was good. same goes for anything else, really.
>>97169760Fuck you nigger. I played before planeswalkers too.
>>97169761and yet you're all-caps sobbing on social media for more planeswalker cards
>>97169763And I'll do it again. I love planeswalkers cards. What are you going to do about it faggot?
>>97168889the color pie hasn't existed for years because commander players clap their hands and cheer when you draw cards, copy things, and double effects
>>97169767>the color pie hasn't existed for years because commander players clap their hands and cheer when you draw cards, copy things, and double effectsBlack enchantment removal was a big nail in the coffin of MTG.
I'm getting into magic, and I have some friends who could enjoy playing it too, but I'm not interested in bankrupting myself trying to keep up with wotc's constant deluge of new cards, and my friends would be even less interested, so constructed probably isn't worth investing in. Draft is fun and gives you some nice variety and an even playing field, but I'm not paying for everyone to open packs each time they play and I'm not going to pressure them to pay their way either, so that isn't a great option either. That leaves cube as the obvious choice, except for a relatively high upfront cost. How much will an enjoyable cube set me back? Are there worthwhile savings to be made by making much or all of the cards proxies? And I don't have a strong enough knowledge of the game to do a good job curating a cube list, are there any good sources to look to for inspiration?
>>97169766You guys should kiss
>>97169743Wotc stopped printing them because of UB. Also PW as a card typearefeast or famine and everyone hates them as a result.
>>97169315This format has some surprisingly affordable decks when you're not looking at lists with reserved list cards.
>>97169315good to know goblins is doing well since it's the only deck I have the cards for on MTGO
>>97169878Either buy a bunch of random bulk and make decks out of it and only play with those, or design a cube and use MPCfill to print the entire thing. There are a number of well respected cubes that you can find on Cubecobra if you'd rather just copy. I would recommend avoid those with M15 frame cards.
>>97169878There are pauper cubes. This one is a classic https://cubecobra.com/cube/list/5d617ac6c2a85f3b75fe95a4 it'll cost you maybe 200-300 dollars. Pretty cheap for a cube, cheap for some standard decks.
Is Premodern enjoyable? Can you have a good time even if the format never changes?
>YGO introduces new format where you can run 3x Pot of Greed>It's widely-regarded as the best decision the game ever made and brought tons of players back to the game by letting them play classic cards while also resolving powercreep by reevaluating the strength of modern cards and their synergies>Meanwhile if Magic made a format you could run 4x Black Lotus the first thought from everyone would be that a deck could cost over 50 grand because of the atrocious print policy
>>97170270It will be solved in a month or two. It's already pretty cancerous with burn, goblins, and overpriced parallax shit. I don't get the hype for it.
>>97168776>>97169005Reminder that homophobia doesn't exist in Magic, ergo transphobia probably doesn't either, so she's just doing this specifically to spite Kirol as opposed to genuinely being bigoted on this front (she's still racist).
>>97170313There's already a MTG format where you can run 4x Ancestral Recall, it's Standard
They had a side story during Kangz of Tarkir where some orc chud is making fun of Alesha for having a girly name. Then it's made canon that there is no homophobia in the entire multiverse (which is absolutely insane). Now there is more transphobia. So is there transphobia in the multiverse but no homophobia? How does that work?
>>97170410It's probably more "taking any angle to insult somebody" and less "this person is specifically bigoted in that way". Or maybe they just don't care about that thing because the "no homophobia" thing was more in a "this is not a thing that systemically exists".
>>97170410It means when people see 2 male Orcs kissing they all immediately start clapping and cheering
>>97170410i doubt they put any real thought into it besides just trying to make good pr
>>97170410Anons the degenerate writers and setting builders that are ruining mtg don't consider themselves to be men ... that's why they can't have homophobia in their setting.
The time is nigh.Come back to Premodern, /tg/.Come back home.
>>97169706Hooves are literally toenails.
>>97170877Scare off transniggers with premodern
>Reveal normal cards for Lorwyn for the spoilers>Now it's coming out soon>Reveal that you're shilling diversity Strixhaven dogshit>Have a fat elf womanI can see that Hasbro deliberately told WotC to spoil the cards that look normal.
>Trannies are apparently having a meltdown that Harry Potter is being added to FortniteIf they reveal a Harry Potter UB, will they actually commit crimes and shit just to prevent it from being sold?
Seems like there is a mandatory tranny in every UW set now.>Nooooo Wizards totally aren't shitting on UW to push for UB. This is a conspiracy.
>>97169039IM GONNA COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMMMM FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK IM SORRY WOTC SPIDERMAN WAS OKAY AVATAR WAS OKAY TMNT WILL BE OKAY BECAUSE IM BUYING 5,000 LORYWN ECLIPSED PACKS HOLY FUUCKKKKKKKKKKK
>>97170993>Have a fat elf womanAnon the term they used was "beautifully rounded", not fat.
>Spiderman foot pic>Mary jane foot pic>Feet pics all over TLA>Lorwyn elves are supposed to have hooves (ACTUAL hooves)>Art direction specifically changed so that they're just regular feet>Specific, detailed foot art instructions in the art directionCan we please find whoever on the art direction team is a fucking footfag and get this fuck fired?The jokes about booba and accidentally hiring furry porn artists to do not-porn artwork are one thing, but this is literally just someone putting their fetish into the art of a children's card game.
>>97171108>the art of a children's card game.
>>97171108>>Art direction specifically changed so that they're just regular feet>>Specific, detailed foot art instructions in the art direction[citation needed]i am a footfag and wouldnt touch those stinkers with a 10 foot clown pole
is this ai generated?
>>97171108Why are you gay?
>>97171229>washington statewhy is everyone like that over there?"people" manage to out pozz even the californians, wtf are they putting in the water?
>>97168297Oh, here is the human in nu-lorwyn>IT IS NOT A HUMAN, SEE THE CREATURE TYPE!anon...>>97168358lmao>>97168373>>97168399>>97168474>>97169005I can't wait for the time when we are old and look back at 202x and think "damn, how people were this retarded back then">>97168748yep. But modern script writers (and "fantasy" writers in general) has no idea about what is subtlety >>97169215Most lorwyn elfs have normal legs just a few apparently have goat legs. They only thing that they pushed and is right is the hoofs instead of fingers on feet.>>97170993>spoil the cards that look normal.grim
>>97171261If you think they’re cucked and pozzed Portland is much much worse. In Washington it’s really just the Seattle area that’s like that. Half the state gets cut off from them in winter and thank god.
>>97171229>14 years of experience in>marketing, creative writing, theater>she>"Yes goys, SHE has da authoriteeh, don't you fucking dare criticalizise whatever SHE tells you to consume">everything is just some flavor of gayThe dog i don't have can bark better platitudes and narrative design than whatever this fucking shite is.
>>97171378enjoy your weekend ;)
>>97171456I’m not living in the US you fuckwit.
>>97169005>>97168776>another they/them protagonistI skipped the spaceship set over this tomfoolery and I'll skip this too if the bitch is at all important.
>>97170979>not the one with bulbheaded Somali Teferi snickering as he commits crimes in classYou can cut Jihad for that easy
>>97171181From the horse's mouth.
>>97171491>victor adame minguez uses (((reddit)))mf you were one of my favourite artists, WERE.grow a pair, minuez
>>97171456>reported to the feds for creative writingThere is a hole in your plan; i can plead homosexuality because of my futanari porn folder.
finally done with 540 card mtga powered vintage cube. took forever but printed 8 per sheet and glued to basic lands.
White has too much angel, it needed more focus on creatures like Lamassu. I also think Equine should have been horse, Pegasi, unicorn, and kirin. A stronger and more focused White family that way. And we need more griffins! What creature type do you think is overdone for its color?
>>97171563I wish blue used other sea creature types more often then just merfolk spam 90% of the time. EoE had the right idea with jellyfish people
>>97171556This looks Brazilian.
>gaijin doesn't present his sideboard at start of match>acts confused when opponent does
made a clue token
>>97171590Close! Cleveland.
>>97171556You can get bulk proxies made buy places like mtgcardsmith for around $0.70 a card. Remove the sleeves and you will get more space in the deckbox.
How would current Pauper hold up vs current Standard?I mean if there was a tournament where entrees could choose either Pauper or Standard, then they bring a deck of that format in, would the deck that come out on top be more likely to be current Standard or Pauper?
>>97171653pauper is really weak especially with lands. t3 standard would obliterate it.
>>97171556Based
>card game tournaments still don't allow a player to enter with multiple decksWhy is this not a thing in the oldest card game?
>>97171676That's what the sideboard is for. Otherwise I play white weenie when I go first and 8 rack when I go second.
>>97171586I thought Homarids were pretty cool. Especially the lore about how they would do land engineering like wicked beavers and flood human communities.
>>97171619So do you loot or is the drawn card discarded?
>>97171491>Fucking actual confirmed footfags are working in WotC art direction>And they are unironically being allowed to inject their fetish into the game without oversight
>>97171704we just dont know
I feel like this image perfectly captures everything wrong with the modern state of magic
>>97170313>It's widely-regarded as the best decision the game ever made and brought tons of players back to the game by letting them play classic cards while also resolving powercreep by reevaluating the strength of modern cards and their synergiesexcept it's already a dead format that sucks to play and is basically just standard-lite if you look at it through yugioh lensyeah you can play 3x greed but if you spend all your points on that you'll just instalose to combo decks so better use those on handtraps instead
>>97171181>[citation needed]Literally what the flaming fucking shit are you talking about "citation needed"A change occurred. Therefor, it was changed. This is a fucking ONE STEP conclusion. Literally fucking the plainest most visible for literally everyone to see logic so fucking simple a retard in a coma with their frontal lobe blown off could figure it out.How the actual fuck do people get so stupid that they reject literal single-step logic in favor of blind devotion to verificationism. Even in the face of self-evident fact and the most simple possible logic constructable, they STILL cry "MUH SOURCE" "MUH SOURCE" like Patrick asking if he can take your hat.Holy fucking shit, you fucking disgusting avatar of the death of intellect.HEY RETARDA OF THE PAST WAS DIFFERENT FROM A IN THE PRESENTTHEREFOR A WAS CHANGEDNO CITATION IS REQUIRED FOR AN ASSERTION THIS BASIC
>>97171645>Remove the sleevesEven with proxies that's barbaric.>0.70 per cardFunny, for one of my cubes they're about half that. Using pauper/budget cards is cheaper than real ones lmao.
>actual transvestites working at WotC>they've been injecting their fetish into every aspect of the franchise for a decade>they complain about footfags because they did it onceLook, foottards deserve to get slapped across the face but let's not lose focus here
>>97171790>but let's not lose focus hereAs the great philosopher Kanye West once said,>"I love your tiddies 'cause they prove I can focus on two things at once."
>>97171774*Fake onesFuck me I’m tired from being a wagie
>>97171754seems like the guy is just having the time of his heckin' lifeclearly bought twenty boxes of the spiderman setwhat a good pi-- i mean based mtg the gathering player!All the asians are there only for the prize money.
>>97171803This post is like an ogre. It has lairs.
>>97171653Pauper control decks would be unplayable since the payoffs are pathetic and the manabases suck, but aggro decks probably slot in well. I can see monoblue and monored competing with standard.Also spy combo is probably just a better version of sultai reanimator seeing as how they can go both go in turn 4 but spy is basically a 1 card combo
>they keep printing big cards>can't play them because the game is balanced around aggroI've read in another thread that wotc purposefully prints "timmy cards".I mean, what's the point of wasting so much ink and cardboard for things that will never see any real play and that timmys don't even play because they're either playing ygo or one piece if they're not doomscrolling tik tok and injecting the marijuaner?Like, the average age of the mtg player is 30+. No younguns are touching this gay ass homersex binarial binocular commander t1 sol ring simulator you need two jobs and a gaped anus for to even play casually with crossdressers that will sue you for racism if you exist as a non mentally ill pervert.
>>97171834It's crazy that the formats are so insufferable that I struggle considering THREE cmc cards for lists, let alone anything larger.
>>97171704It's just how it was worded back then with artifacts; it works exactly the same as a Clue.
>>97171834The old categorization of Timmy, Johnny and Spike have fallen out of favor a long time ago due to F.I.R.E design. There is no Johnny because self expression are a meme, cards are designed very tightly around parasitic mechanics (like Lesson or Energy) to allow customization. There is no Timmy because magic is too UB influenced and that limits what they can bring over that feels big and powerful. As for Spike, balance is so poor that I guess if you are some kind of hyper autist with infinite money you just can't keep up.
>>97171837this is also the problem i've been having since i started playing1cmc is ideal, 2cmc is perfect, 3+ is just icky, 4cmc are just game warpers5+ are either game enders or absolutely gimmickyAnd every deck is just>play nothing but 2cmc or less>win before t3>>97171857uh, pretty muchUsed to be a Johnny, but if you don't build goodstuff like everyone else, decks barely work or stand a chance against auto play modern card designThere are no Timmys because there are barely new players and new players usually start with goonmander (not mtg) by buying a pre con
We can safely blame commander and counterspells for the decline of this game.
>>97171774Just wash your hands and your cards will be fine. You only need play mats to avoid picking at the edges of cards when you need to pick them up. The wear from shuffling adds character. And holding card board feels better than holding plastic sleeves. Sleeves are like condoms, you only need them when you play with strangers.
>>97171871>CommanderYes, the vocaroo has only become more accurate as time goes on>counterspellsNo. Counterspells make control decks possible. Git gud
>>97171888>anti sleeve retardlmao
>>97169315This can't be very fun... where are my 1 drops that draw cards when they attack?
commander would be a fun alternative format if they wouldn't design cards explicitly for that formatJust imagine piloting a pile of barely synergetic jank somehow working together by making the right decisions at the right time and outplaying your opponent without relying on mechanics and cards designed to take away the players agency.I'm so fucking hard right now.
>>97171957>commander would be a fun alternative format if they wouldn't design cards explicitly for that formatWas, not would be.It WAS a fun alt format.
>>97169039
>>97171957Honestly I just want more Weapons like the Mirran Swords>Tricolored Swords Protect from three colors, give +3/+3 and have two effects triggered on an Attack that reference Spells unique to Color Pairs (Allies for Shards, Enemies for Wedges)>Monocolored Swords Grant Protection from their Colour, +1/+1 and trigger a Modal effect with four outputs (Which line up with the Mirran Swords) when you swing with them.
>>97171969I can't confirm nor deny that.I never really played commander.>>97172019I honestly just want cards to do less.
what should happen for this fucking game to be balanced? ten bans and otter piece of shit of a card keep ruining formats and let’s not talk about the horrible trend with UR ruining games since at least 2 years with pushed to the sky red cards and the insufferable engine of blue.when this retards will understand what made magic great?
>>97171229amerikwa is a terrorist islamic dictatorship and under sharia law gays must cut off their benis
>>97171957>Just imagine piloting a pile of barely synergetic jank somehow working together by making the right decisions at the right time and outplaying your opponent without relying on mechanics and cards designed to take away the players agency.Commander was literally never this.
premodern brothers, we are now a real format.How is premodern on mtgo?
>>97169040Kino goon goon!!!
>>97171957https://web.archive.org/web/20110803222457/http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/misc/7933_Ask_the_Judge_08202004Feature_Friday.htmlThis is the literal introduction of the format and one of the earliest known instances of a commander decklist being published. And guess what? It's already what Commander is today.It has no focused strategy. It's a mush of ramp and ramp and ramp and cards that are good in free-for-all multiplayer. It plays only a bit of efficient single-target removal, but there's several sweepers so it doesn't have to give a fuck about what the opponent is doing, just ramp and ramp and ramp for big creatures and occasionally reset the board. It has Tooth and Nail for an instant win combo. Its commander is barely an afterthought.Commander is shit. It was always shit, and it will always be shit.
>>97172099flourishing, vibrant, stunning!!
>>97172113>Commander is shit. It was always shit, and it will always be shit.nahjotc are to blame, edh is fine and fun infact.
>>97171739Good.
>>97172206It's not even magic. Just a bunch of boomers playing monopoly with magic cards.
>>97172226>boomersok zoom zoom, you'll grow out of your edgy phase, eventually.
>>97172113Significant difference in building a pile of cards you have laying around in a vague midrange build and loading EDHREC to fill out your paint-by-numbers CommandZone approved decklist with printed-for-commander staples for whatever Fortnite crossover legendary got spoiled this week. It's an actual soul v soulless scenario.
>>97172175That isn't a premodern legal card thobeit?
>>97172276If you want to play with whatever is lying around, play cube or some variety of draft/sealed. In every constructed format that there is, people will try and follow the meta, and they always have done so, because they want to win.
>>97172089Not only was it but in many areas it still is. I played at the command tower event last night, can confirm.
>>97172298ok, and?
>>97172378Illiteracy isnt cute
It is.
>>97172276>It's an actual soul v soulless scenario.Basically this.There is no fun in deckbuilding when there is a card for every situation and that has very obvious and easy synergies with other cards in the color, while also having at least 2 effects that also trigger themselves.Why wouldn't you just play legendaries that could be very well just a copy of your commander by the shit they do?And why would you use cards with one effect when there are countless others that are an upgrade and also do two more things?It's just mind numbing and you're not even playing a game, you're just following instructions and hoping your opponent(s) don't get their design team designed wincon™ before you do.It is also impossible to organize anything if you don't have a dedicated group who agrees on everything. And playing "lower power" decks just sets you up to not even play the game because one card of your opponent outvalues your card by a factor of 3, so you're basically forced to play """"meta"""".Making some sort of banlists will just spark discussions and seething because some won't be able to play their shitty cards or will be forced to build a new deck from scrap or want to disagree on balancing because they have no clue about games.It's just cancer and modern game design at its peak, because you don't want customers to play, you want them to buy product and enjoy the experience™Then the commander design choices have influenced other formats, making them insufferably to playMost just don't get it because they don't even want to fathom the whole picture, they just want to consume card game flavored product with their nauroto walking turtle avatar fantasy and feel heckin' valid about burning 1320dollars on fucking collector boostersI really do wonder what goes on inside such people's minds.Do they just close their eyes and pretend they don't see things despite being exposed to them constantly or are they deathly afraid of ever committing a wrong think?
>>97169743>BRING BACK PLANESWALKERS BEING GOODthe fuck are you talking about nigga, one of the most busted cards atm is a one mana planeswalker
>>97172493That’s not a PW that’s a creature that BECOMES a PW. In fact what you posted is a Moonfolk Wizard
>>97172544>no, you see actual-ACKkys redditor
>>97172485Don’t yuck my yumYum yum I love eating slop
I mean, it was pretty obvious
>>97172485>if you don't have a dedicated group who agrees on everythingThis isnt really a problem. My cube bros sometimes play edh and it seems like they have it down. I highly doubt geist of st traft, xenagod and the dimir dragonlord are anything but turbo jank
do we have examples of hooved elves in previous art?
>>97172608YesHere check it outScryfall.comtype:elf block:lrw
>>97172608all the lorwyn elves had hooves
>>97172608That's how Lorwyn elves are, look up any elf art from the original sets and you'll see
>>97172619Just did.It's actually all over the fucking place.
>>97172648Literally all Lorwyn elves have hooves. Sometimes they're not given focus in the art, but not one of them has normal human feet. It's just a thing about them, like having horns. Goblins don't normally have shells, but Kamigawa goblins do- is this really that strange to people?
>>97172655People like to bitch about shit that doesn't matter.
>>97172661...he said, posting on 4chan
>>97172566>Posts a creature claiming planeswalkers are still good >That’s a creature anon>REEE KYS LEDDITOR REEEEEEEEI accept your concession
>>97172493Seriously, what the fuck were they thinking with this card?
>>97172493her ult is busted, but i really don't see her being THAT good unless you can transform her when she hits the field and manage to keep her alive for at least two turn to use her -7sure, her minus 3 can cycle cards, but you have to keep her at 4, which is easy if you just recycle extra turnsalso PW are cancerthey should be support cards that shouldn't do much on their own and not literal character cards that can warp games and are difficult to get rid of unless you have already the advantage or pw removal, which isn't that commonalso>cEDHliterally the piggy "format"
>>97172794Who said anything about cEDH? Tamiyo is dominating Legacy right now
>legacystill piggy format
Be honest, when you're doing a match; do you tell them everything about the card (effects, power/toughness, etc.), or do you just play the card and assume that the other player knows what it does (aside from obvious ones, like Counterspell)?
>>97168889Boros gets to do it because it's a combat trigger retard.Colorless gets to do things all the colors do but it pays through the nose for it.
>>97172904I haven't played a game with a real person in 15 years
Need it or quip it?
I wish cards had actual flavor instead of being etb machines that all do the same thing
been bouncing around diamond 2 with a variation of this deck. need advice.
>>97172254I'm nearly 30 I don't think that's going to happen.
>>97172930be afraid
>>97172950You people don't even know what you're talking about, the top decks of the format don't run a single ETB
they are shitting on lorwyn...why?
>>97172999It's kind of crazy how you can just draft the latest set now and know that half your cards will be somewhat viable against even the current standard meta, due to how power crept each new set is.Literally just within this last year, the power creep of each set has been so much that sets released earlier in the year are already fallen out of favor.
>>97172999>UB slopAdvice: KYS
>>97173037And wait for Ninja Turtles no-ninjutsu, Star Trek spacecrafts and Marvel plan shit. The trend has just started for the piggys.
>>97173037The key cards even in lessons decks are from older sets.
Honestly, i liked the D&D UB set.
>>97173066come let's just not pretend gran-gran and boomerang and ancestral recall are not the key cards from that bullshit, anon. powercreep is a disease and is only growing.
>>97173072When the cards from older sets in the rotation are still popular and being played in multiple formats, no I don't think I will.
>>97173072lessons would be a tier 2 deck without otters
>>97173072Spiderman had maybe 3 playable cards in Standard, EOE had like 5. That's not a crazy amount. They've got plenty of fuckups, you don't need to reach for hyperbole.
>>97173070D&D isn't UB. The crossover between D&D has been around for a decade. WoTC controls both properties. D&D has had official support for mtg settings. Them being the same universe is canon. But Jace isn't about to show up in the next Marvel slop film.
>>97173032
>>97173072>powercreep is a disease and is only growing for nonwhite cardsFixed it for jew
it truly is a 4 turn meta
>anon is surprised the game balanced around ending in t4 ends on t4
>>97173169it shouldn't be
>>97173173Blame counterspells.
>>97173175counterspells aren't a problem them being restricted to a single color is the problem
White should have counterspells that give you treasure tokens when the opponent spell is countered.
>>97173175>>97173194Wrong and wrong. The problem is power creep, but you fucking shills will come up with any other possible boogeyman to distract from that. Rotation was supposed to make power creep unnecessary. It was why Magic the Gathering USED TO be better than Yugioh. USED TO. Now, we have a game where standard rarely rotates and every set is designed to get the attention of Modern players and EDH players.
i hate this fucking nigga
>>97173210white should have tithe-like counterspells
>>97173243Playing nu-Magic was your first mistake.
>>97173194funny>>97173225doesn't play the game
>>97173265No, I don't play nu-Magic. I prefer Magic.
>>97173243This is going to be irrelevant in a year once Magic has hit the "stats don't matter anymore" stage.
>>97173272>once Magic has hit the "stats don't matter anymore" stage>once
>>97173270wow you're so cooli bet you even hate tranime and the joose, amirite?
>>97172763>one mana plus infinity that pitches to force"I be designin' dem cards an' shit"
>>97173281How do you feel about 10 power with evasion on turn 4?
>>97173487wow I hate nuMagic so much, can't believe they would print these cards into the game in 2025
I miss when i could play 3 mana removal or counterspells with slight upside like Sinister Sabotage and do okay. Issue is they have sped up the game so much that you don't have time to establish other strategies without being run over compared to in the past. There is neither starting to become a point in deckbuilding on your own anymore. They literally are printing decks into their formats now as the playerbase has turned into low-effort drooling retards that just want easy wins and spend 200 bucks on latest playset to autowin because thinking was too hard. I hate this game and it's playerbase and especially designers with a burning passion.
>>97173519>They literally are printing decks into their formats now as the playerbase has turned into low-effort drooling retards that just want easy wins and spend 200 bucks on latest playset to autowin because thinking was too hard. I hate this game and it's playerbase and especially designers with a burning passion.This. But extremely unironically because it's true in every game now.
>>97173281>restrictive cost as a drawback for above rate stats on what's almost a vanillaPoor example. We've had stuff like that for years, stuff like Leatherback Baloth. A better example of stat creep would be this guy. Easy to cast, above rate stats, much better abilities than you'd expect to see after parsing the cost and the stats, no downsides whatsoever, and yet it was completely irrelevant. Most of its value is in its stats, and a 4/4 trampler for 2G is apparently too small.However, Ouroboroid doesn't do anything but make your guys bigger, and it's a meta card. So we in fact haven't hit the "stats don't matter" stage quite yet. Not in the way Yugioh did.
>>97173512Yeah and look at this AI slop art on the blue creature.
>>97173487>spend 2 turns to set up a sneak attack effectQuiet fair desu, especially if you don't have more elementals on the board it's downright bad?
>>97173487>DoomgapeDamn JOTC was transphobic back then
i want big anime titties on my magic cards
>>97173531>This. But extremely unironically because it's true in every game now.i'm tired boss
>>97173567Print yourself some.
>>97173578i have no friendsit would be pointless
i think this game should get the japanese tcg treatment where all cards are full art anime girls just because it would upset the content creators who cannot legally imply attraction to feminine females with big kahoonas or the pinkertroons will go visit them and take away all their cards
>>97173592Nah this game is made by homosexuals for homosexuals. UB is the only way this happening because, you know, Konami, Paramount, Capcom or Nickelodeon will not allow this faggots to destroy their intelectual properties.
>>97173606>Konami, Paramount, Capcom or Nickelodeon will not allow this faggots to destroy their intelectual properties.lollmao, even
>>97173580Sometimes, correlation does equal causation.
>>97173606Next time they make a UB of any franchise that has anime little girls in it, they just have to draw the cute, not even sexualized in any way, just non-offensive typical anime loliyou'll see them all squirm and lose their shit
this but even more uwu kawaii
>one mana cost two mana dork it's amazing how under the radar this card it I'm consistently doing 4 mana plays on turn 2
>>97173659>self synergetic cardbro no way, it generates two mana and for two mana it can give itself +1?But wait, you can also use the free mana for something else!Genius game design.
>>97173538> Ouroboroid doesn't do anything but make your guys bigger,Exponentially bigger.
>>97173265>funnybro, I'm serious just like blue used to have a monopoly on card draw and WOTC later realized it's a core game mechanic that should be available to all players, counterspells should too. Blue should have the best and more direct ones, but every color should have it's own flavoring for it. The fact "it cannot be countered" is peppered everywhere now it's just the natural conclusion of not addressing the problem
>>97173703if you manage to play an ouroboid and keep it alive for 64 turns, I it's very ok for it to deal trillions of damage
MTGO League data is going to break Premodern, right?there is no way this format is balanced
>>97173519Hero's downfall cries
Remember to harden your Ouroboros.
>>97173531If you say soI personally think yugioh is doing a good job in this particular area
>>97173768Oh fug theres premodern rooms now?! Im logging back on!
>>97173768>MTGO League data is going to break Premodern, right?no, current league data is shit, there was a brief period where daybreak gave us ALL the league data but wotc got mad at them and forced them to go back to the shitty system we have nowchallenge/trial data might be a game changer but there's no guarantee
>>97173703Yep. It's an example of how big raw stats need to be for a raw stats card to matter.
>>97173659Seems like it would be useful in mouse decks. I'm aware they banned the one mana mouse, but is there still a playable version of that deck?
>>97173147Amazing how all modern magic design is parasitic af.Remember when Maro said that split into Arcana was bad because it was parasitic? lmao>>97173487Was not playable back in the day because the terror-snake-parot was a thing and faeries was fucking annoying.>>97173659damn I m thinking of playing pauper.
>>97174001>Amazing how all modern magic design is parasitic af.there is literally not a single parasitic card in that picture
This card is just another Cori-steel cutterThey literally cannot stop themselves, can't they?
2/10 bait, we already had anons posting about how broken it was and even that guy dropped it after a week of testing.
>baitand it's going to get downplayed exactly like cori
Went 3-0 on draft with this deck against a bunch of retards running 3 and 4 color bomb piles. Only wish I had pulled more deadly precisions.
>>97174057This is completely different from Cutter though. Cutter shits out tokens, this gives you one on etb and that's it.
its almost end of year, where is the dandan precon??
>>97174413wasn't there a secret lair?
Ascension guarantees an extra trigger every turn after 4 counters.It can trigger 4 counters if you attack with 4 creatures that trigger when attacking.If you got a creature like rayuu, that's infinite combat phases+1
>>97174457i swear to god if it got pushed due to the monster hunter fiasco
>>97174057This is not remotely like Cutter. Cutter's power comes from insane sustained value, minimal deckbuilding requirements and no real loss of tempo or any time to bring online.This has only one token, requires you to fill your deck with attack triggers, is essentially playing a 2/2 with no abilities on the turn it comes and requires four attacks to being online.
>>97174502> If it's the first combat phase>>97174413Best memory lapse art
>>97174502most literate red player
>>97174556if he was a real red player he would have ignored the creature for having 4cmc thoughbeithe's a white player
>like; verb: "similar to"I'm not the illiterate hereYou really want to wait again for top 8 tournament fuckery before admitting this can be abused?Every fucking time with you retards.
>>97174582If your path to victory is playing a 6+ mana creature (like all unlimited extra combat cards) after bringing firebender asc online it's not a good path no
>>97174582I don't actually think they print unlimited extra combats in permanents period nowadays.
>>97174604They do, but you have to jump through extra hoops like Hulk and it's not an attack trigger.
If you're playing red, you can do rakdos reanimation, cheat out whatever you need and give it haste for the turn with something like kickoff celebrationEven if you use one extra combat effect, that's 2 extra combatsif you got other effects that pump when attacking, they can be copied in the extra combat stepsAscension is not limited to once per turn
>>97174617decklist?
>>97174617Why not just cheat out Valgavoth and win the game with your unremovable 9/9 flying lifelinker that draws infinite cards
>>97174626because we're talking about how to break FiAs
>>97174629Yeah but if you're jumping through the hoops of doing reanimation there are better targets then a 4/4
you can do this two times
you can copy this
Someone just learned how to read today
>>97174057>>97174502All attack triggers that provide extra combat phases that have restrictions that ascension doesn't get around. The best attack trigger to double is winota.
>>97173072Stormchaser's talent has been a problem for a longer time. Banning it has a higher chance of killing than deck banning those 3 cards.
is there any way i can find and import official mtg premade decks into untap.in or scryfall, without having to copy these decks card by card?
You can copy the 3rd ability of this one
>>97172794Yeah bro it's very hard to draw 2 extra cards on the same turn you play a 1 drop creature, basically impossible
>>97174656>>97174648>>97174617This literally doesn't matter. You need to attack four times in a row with creatures that have attack triggers, creatures normally unplayable on their own.The more hoops a deck has to jump through, the worse it is. The payoff needs to be very very fucking big for these many hoops, and what you're getting is... extra combat triggers, something Isshin already does by default without any further hoops- and he's unplayable. And you're thinking about including reanimation, making it a whole new hoop to jump through. By the time you've put this shit on the table, even a deck from 2001 has already won the game.
>>97174754You can't, retard, just the firebending.
i enjoyed using firebending in draft with the u/w katara but i doubt it's viable in constructed. Maybe like something with fire cadets and mirror entity could work? Or probably not, deck building is ded especially in "modern".
>>97174786It is too slow for standard right now. Firebending creatures are slow (no haste), vulnerable to standard removals and most often require a specific 2nd card as pay off.Izzet variations can pump creatures very consistently either through prowess or card draws while keeping their hand full all the time.
>>97174807The thing with firebending is that it looks flashy but it's actually way harder then it looks to find an instant-speed outlet for the combat mana, which is why the whole set is fully of activated abilities.
CAPTIVE FLAME
aight, imma take it for a spin
>>97174754>the third ability>the first black border card where you can copy the flavor textalright this is actually cool design
>>97174838>for only two mana and four attack triggers you can make Azula twice as sorry for fighting her brother to the death
>>971748560 x 2 is still 0.
>look up MTGO card prices>all in tickets>tickets are about $1.00 a piece>infinitely reproducible png files with practically zero overhead and lines of overhead that took an intern less than one hour to make are all as expensive as IRL cardboardI just don't understand this. Do MODOtards really pay for this?
>>97174856>"I'm sorry it has to end this way, brother. Like, I'm really sorry, I wish it could have ended differently. I hate that it has to end like this, if there's anything I hate, it's the fact that it has to end like this. If my remorse for it ending like this had a symbol, I think it would be something I hate. Maybe a collar or something. I don't know. Anyways, sorry it has to end this way."
>>97174865I thought you could still trade modo collections for irl stuff no?
>>97174865>Do MODOtards really pay for this?yes, there's an entire secondary market on MTGO based on tix I've made over 1000 tix just buying low and selling high since I started playing all the way back in 2020
>>97174837post results
>>97174837Cut Suplex, use Abrade. Exile removal isn't that relevant right now and you want nothing that's sorc speed
>>97174838The third ability is choosing new targets.
>>97174877The modo cards are just as expensive in IRL money.
>>97174946yep but good thing about modo is the jank is quiet cheap.
>>97174920>you get to choose new targets>then choose new targetsthe first card allowing takesies-backsies
So if you use the last agni kai, you won't lose the mana from firebending after combat? From the way that card is phrased. I guess another way to cheat on it is to play Invoke Calamity to cheat out a sorcery spell at instant speed? An early wildfire could be funny to pull off. Personally i would be interested in trying to make some Sram, Puresteel paladin, Leonin shikari build function.I think firebender ascension might be a trap card though. Unless it's some boring bounce build maybe people will try after Stormchaser's talent gets banned.
after a couple games i figured out you really want great train heistFiAs copies every attack trigger that triggers so you can firebending multiple times and cast lots of shit in one turn
>once you reach 4 quest counters and you copy a trigger, the trigger triggers FiAs again granting you another copy triggerYup, FiAs is broken
>>97175140Dies to naturalize
>>97175074Why are you running Cadets if you have four lessons total.
Don't worry about it
>>97172276Are you aware that EDHREC has niche material to examine for your jankpile or are you just using it as an excuse to be mad
Haven't been about in a wee while, is the guy who was posted that chainsaw deck still about? Did you settle on a list you were happy with? Was thinking about trying it out.
>>97174032Not parasitic af as other anon said but most magic sets nowadays are designed as yugioh sets: make 2 -3 archetypes and fill the set with cards meant to play together with almost 0 replay value for older cards.Exemple:spooderman spider tribal thing>But magic has spiders!yeah, and the cards in the spiderman set will be played with other spiderman cards 90% of times.(let me not start on heroes and villains)other exemple, and what I think anon was referring, is firebending being forced and receiving most of its support from the same set (but to be honest some cards do have some synergy with nu-tarkir cards)other is the new lesson cards. They work in the deck made with avatar cards but other than that not that much.What I m saying is that there is less incentive for inter-set play and synergy than in other years. Most new mechanics are obviously things that don't "talk" well with other things in the same standard so most support and things that make the thing work come from the same set as them.Compare those mechanics to Ikoria for exemple: most cycling matter cards didn't call for cycling but for discarding cards, mutate was really versatile and people could splash for mutate creature in most decks despite the intention of the ability (aka make big creatures bigger and better)(for most of time players used them on mana dorks and utility creatures).
>>97175553you guys don't know what parasitic meansthe two mechanics in spider-man (mayhem and webslinging) are both extremely generic and broadly usable mechanics. I have no doubt they were just mechanics sitting on the shelf, waiting for a rush-job to come along.firebending is not "forced" it's literally just conditional mana dorks. Firebending could only possibly be parasitic if it made special avatar mana that could only be spent on avatar cards. There's is nothing even remotely parasitic about "whenever you attack, add red mana."Energy is a parasitic mechanic. Snow is a parasitic mechanic.
>>97175553You're forgetting googly eyes tripping up Take Backsies Manfield against Sultai reanimator due to Caverns of Souls.
>>97175553IN WHAT FUCKING WORLD IS "MAKE RED MANA" NOT GOING TO BE AVAILABLE FOR INTER-SET PLAYDO YOU THINK THAT RED IS NOT GOING TO GET MORE INSTANTS EVER AGAIN OR SOMETHING
>>97175976Enjoy playing Cadets and Lessons for 3 years
>>97175947>You're forgetting googly eyes tripping up Take Backsies Manfield against Sultai reanimator due to Caverns of Souls.Truly, the Peoples' Champion.
>>97175074Train Heist is a killer finisher, I've run it a few times and it mostly performs.
>>97174057>This card is just another Cori-steel cutterSome retard has been brewing the shit out of this card and it's an alright deck, maybe Tier2. Ascension even got cut lmao. Genuinely playable but not even close to Cutter.
>>97173674EVERY CARDMUST BE AN ENGINEAND ALSO ITS OWN FUEL
>>97175553Damn, even LEA was parasitic. How far back dos the incompetence go?
>>97173243In a few years time, you're going to be nostalgic for ouroboroid.AND THAT'S A THREAT.
I really fucking hate this card. They didn't make Kharn an artifact because they wanted Planeswalker to be a type that overrides all others. But now we have not only an artifact planeswalker but a fucking equipment too. Look at that fucking type line it's a jumbled mess of shit. What's next a goddamn vehicle planeswalker? A land planeswalker? Fuck me WoTC are fucking retarded faggots. Like just when I think they can't get any dumber and more retarded they find a new low. TMNT is going to be the biggest piece of shit they ever made. Even worse than homelands.
>>97176072>They didn't make Kharn an artifact because they wanted Planeswalker to be a type that overrides all others. But now we have not only an artifact planeswalker but a fucking equipment tooThey literally DO NOT CARE about established design rules.You would be hard pressed to find a single person at WotC that even KNOWS any of the established decades-old design rules. White doesn't get >3 power at common? Out the window. Never put +1/+1 and -1/-1 counters in the same set? In the grave. Limits in what colors can remove what permanent types? Deader than dead. They do not care AND they are idiots.
I fucking hate Innistrad.
>>97175923tribal (mostly Villain and spider tribal) is also a mechanic. And it looks like a parasitic mechanic because that it only works with things from the set and changeling effects.>>97176059I miss the days of simple magic. I wish that instead of villains they just made them rogues and did something for rogue tribal. Or better made "Outlaw tribal" for the set (instead of Villains)...I bet that wotc will only realize that Villains should also be Outlaws (and add them in the rules) around 2027.
>>97176126>tribal*typal
>>97176126I miss when tribes had inherent effects, truly Magic as Garfield intended.
Is this what peak UB looks like?
>>97176349No.Where we're going, there are no peaks.
>>97176349Wait until Kawabunga! becomes an actual card
>>97176154og magic was the best. color pie was respected and all was right with the world.
>>97176385Yeah, they really fucked up the game when they decided that blue should be a slice of the pie instead of the whole thing.
>>97176380We got an onomotopoeia cycle.
>>97176385There wasn't really a concrete mechanical color pie in early magic. Color pie breaks were allowed as long as the card was flavorful. The original intentions of the color pie was to prevent you from just using the best cards so you had to play a second color to fill in weaknesses.
>premodern comes to mtgo>wastland goes up to fucking 30 dollars per cardBack to renting cards I guess.
