Friend or Foe Edition>Previous Thread: >>97151459>HH 3.0 - Complete gofile - All Books:https://gofile.io/d/cnJk0N>New Edition, to a great wailing and gnashing of teeth:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/setting/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloads:https://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/warhammer-the-horus-heresy/>Thread FAQ (very old, remembers Age of Terra)https://pastebin.com/iUqNrrA8https://pastebin.com/8riDmnhS>30k TACTICA & TIPShttps://pastebin.com/Tm2P4QLphttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Age_of_Darkness-Warhammer_30k/3.0_Tactics/General_Tactics『Adeptus Titanicus and Legions Imperialis』>Official FAQ/Errata/Downloadshttps://www.warhammer-community.com/en-gb/downloads/legions-imperialis/>List of Titan Legions with Badges and Colourshttps://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/17Jccq0V--SwJifLVLwbisYnQeqLlS2pMSiPbGXp1Brs/htmlview>More listshttps://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Titan_Legions>What size magnets do I need?5x1mm>Tacticshttps://1d6chan.miraheze.org/wiki/Adeptus_Titanicus/Tactics>Legions Imperialis Army Builderhttps://legionbuilder.app/>Thread question:If you had the budge/space/time for a single really big model for your faction what would you get?
>>97172787Rip castraferrums. They look silly with no femurs, and they'll look silly with femurs as well. They got half legs
>>97173020You take that back. Castraferrums are PEAK, can't improve upon perfection.
>>97173020
>>97173085The hull is peak. I love that look. But from the waist down... >>97173148 yeah. It's not even bad, really. But everything else IS better...which makes it bad by comparison.I want castraferrums to be relevant, especially rules wise :(
>TQLegion Mastodon, without question. I like the thought of My Guys using it as a mobile base.
>>97173312I'm a bit of a mobile base fan myself
>>97173228Man what are you crying about, castraferrum rules are great. Cheap yet durable firepower, it's almost criminal how low their point cost it. Especially one with two gravis plasma cannons is real nasty at the moment, will deal with any type of infantry for a mere 135 points. Genuinely don't understand why you don't see more people using them.
>>97173343Oh right, double gravis plasma cannon, I always forget about those. I may not believe in regular plasma guns but gravis plasma cannons look powerful enough.Are plasma deredeos still viable?>Genuinely don't understand why you don't see more people using them.They look silly chonky. Idk if they are still -1T and -1 invuln compared to Contemptors like they were last edition
What edition has the best rule set? What edition has the best mission set?
>>97172787Anyone got the link to the HH novels? The old mega a link I had is missing a few books of the books i intended on reading
>>97173367Dude what the fuck are you smoking, castraferrums have had a 5++ invulnerable just like contemptors for two editions straight now. They do have one lower toughness, but against most weapons that can kill dreadnoughts well it doesn't even make a difference. Gravis plasma cannons are most certainly powerful enough, but honestly most of the weapon options are pretty good. Even the gravis bolt cannon has 6-7 shots with 2 damage, and it's free.Plasma deredeos are still very much viable, large blast with 2 damage breaching 4+ hurts, especially with how accurate blasts are now People keep under-estimating the impact of that
>>97173228I, for one, can't wait for them to make Castrator dreadnoughts.
>>97173381The Titanicus open war cards are the best, can't play without them
>>97173343/hhg/ convinced itself plasma wasn't viable when plasma stopped being AP2 native
>>97173437Wew those are some scary weapon profiles, maybe it is right that the War Engine slot is so restricted. But I could swear the Castraferrum's atomantic shielding was inferior to the Contemptor's in 2.0. Then I think it turned Instant Death wounds into 3D instead of 1d3D like the Contemptor's, that must've been it. Glad that's no longer the case then idk
>Two editions later, people still fear the AP2 blast combat of 1.0.Weren't ruins 4+ cover save back then? Are you telling me marine players had AP2 rain on their heads and never once considered stepping into cover for a bit!Now it even blocks LoS. I think it's safe enough out there...I hope
>>97173593Nah I think the war-engine detachment could have been 2 slots, at least. But maybe it's restricted so GW can put a fancy dreadnought detachment in a tactica journal down the line or something, Mortificators already allow you to bring 3 contemptors in 1 detachment.With DA you can just include a dreadnought with every detachment, prime slots aplenty with all their special detachments.
>>97173508This looks dumb, for the same reason any attempt at extending the legs of a boxnaught doesn't work: the faceless coffin and slit body design only works with the squat ass no knees toddler body type, the proportions are all off if you extend them because now the illusion of the slit being the "head" is broken.
When did the Dark Mechanicum start using the Chaos Star?
>>97173618My 10 man plasma gun TSS buffed by Alpharius did not care one bit if something stood in cover or not, 20 wounds with AP 2 are still gonna kill most units in one volley.Not to mention the abundance of large blast weapons with AP 2 and ignores cover. Most of the time you didn't even get the chance to roll a single dice before putting all your infantry back in the suitcase.
>>97173593>I think it turned Instant Deathit did, but no more ID so everything is simplified on ++ savesas it stands, CF don't even have Explodes (X) so they're much better gunner positions when you're standing them next to something that cares about Explodes results
Making a start on saturnine, people weren’t kidding about how awful the terminators are to build Also fuck the asshole who decided to sculpt Aquila’s onto everything
>>97173815Wait until you see the resin WE rampagers FW made that have Imperial Aquila on their belt buckles
>>97173663As soon as they joined the heresy.
>>97173815Really improved the model building experience by my cat jumping onto the desk, pausing to sniff a model then vomiting on it. Death guard core
>New player has amassed about 2000 points of warhounds and dire wolves and wants a game on Tuesday
Plastic Domitar...
>>97173437A TS pyrae deredeo sounds fun. Shoot people up and then burn them up in melee
>>97173618Just because it was supposed to be the most devastating conflict in human history since the Men of Iron war with terrible and forbidden weapons unleased and demigods striding the battlefields does NOT mean you can just delete ten guys with one attack.
>>97174624Huh? Non-Osiron TS dreads are psykers as well?! :O
One last big order before uncle chang closes shop.It took two days to arrive from Hong Kong via Dubai to the EU.
>>97174659>Hellish plasma, on a scale never seen before and hopefully never again, rained upon the battlefield and turned all it caught to cinders>AP4, Breaching 6+/5+!Grim. Dark, even.
>>97174666All dreads now, osirons just get proper disciplines instead of arcanas
>>97174683There had better be a titan in there
I miss when Casstellax were 95pts ppm, they are too cheap now
>>97174659>Belicossa volcano cannon>Blast (3")
>>97174828>bs3
>>97173636I do not understand what they wanted to achive with dreadnoughts in 3ed. Everyone loves them, everyone has multiples of them. So they nerf the contemptor, because it was supposably too good. They don't nerf the too good, they nerf all builds. melee/shoting all of them. Then they nerf the leviathans, I guess to promote the new dread. A bit meh, but I they want to sell model. But the new dread has bad rules. Then they nerf the doredeo, that was never a problem. And we somehow end up with the castaferrum as the best dread. Not because it is awesome, but because point for point you get the most attacks/shots with them. So you would think they would sell the good dreads for 3ed. They don't. Confusing to say the least.
>>97174849Dreadnoughts could be T5 A2 with a 3+ and it wouldn't matter. They're so awesome as a concept they would still be used.
>>97172787the more bitching i read about female custodians; the less i respect the ones bitching about it
>>97173815boy did you build the legion imperialis leviathan dread in 13 or so pieces ?or the 28mm thallax ?
Melta Blast Gun or Flashburn Shells on a Kratos? I like both the melta and the big gun aesthetically
>>97174919Melta kratos seems to be a signature now, but I prefer the Battlecannon aesthetically, as both the melta and volkite are comically undersized for the chassis
>>97174915>y did you build the legion imperialis leviathan dread in 13 or so piecesI will now buy these models
>>97174960The volkite is for sure undersized and the melta is getting there but I like how the melta looks. Might just build it with the battlecannon and just say I'm running the melta turret, but I'm not a fan of that desu
Btw, some store accidentally put up the siege assault for preorder 1 week early. Official price ~£129
>>97174960>>97174977All of the turret options are unbalanced so you actually want the smaller option because it's the least worst choice
>>97175017>so you actually want the smaller optionEhh, not a fan of how the volkite option looks
>>97175005The leviathan is the most attractive model there
>>97175019What a loser
>>97175026
>>97175005>ugly overpriced terminators with incomplete weapon loadouts that come 6 in a box instead of 10 in a box>useless melee dreadnought that will literally never get into melee in 3rd editionI do want 10 breachers but not paying $210 for them. I can just get shields from a recaster/printer for like $10-20.
>>97175022Each to their own. I completely get people's criticisms of the new cataphractii proportions, but being the deviant that I am, I like em for fixing the issue I had with the OG shoulders being detached from the torso and overpriced volkite. Breachers are also my kinda jam for UM Roman testudo vibes. I really dig the UM roman look with white tassels you get on Cata.
>>97172787>>TQI realised my dream and finally built and painted the fatass Mastadon just in time for it to be baller as fuck in 3.0
>>97175064I do somewhat chuckle every time I see posts of resin superheavies and other units only for geedubs to release em in plastic for way cheaper like a week later. Given the phasing out of resin FW vehicles, I wonder how quickly we'll see a plastic mastodon after the probably plastic glaive, falchion etc. Maybe a plastic stormhammer in the mix.
>>97175046The breacher helmet, shields, and bolters (i.e all the new bits) are great, it's just their presence on nu-scale that I won't abide.
>>97174960the melta is like 3 space marines long. It's the perfect size for warhammer-sized maps. A longer barrel would only make sense on a gun with 120" gun range (even though somehow battle cannon with antitank shell is only 24" range)Also, the cannon option on kratos looks retarded. It extends to the very back of the turret with a 1" gap. There's zero room for anyone to be loading the ammunition nor for an autoloader mechanism. And since the turret hangs half an inch backwards over thin air, you can't pretend there's a hole in the bottom rear of t he turret and ammo simply rises vertically from the hull to feed the gun (as the turret is too far back and that mechanism would be hanging in the air and also the loading hoist would need to rotate sideways 10-20 feet as the turret turns as it isn't near the center of the turret at all so it spins)So you must be a british no-guns non-tanker to appreciate the kratos battlecannon design.
Why would you attach a magos to an Autonata unit, the bemefits aren't worth getting pinned
>>97175064I kinda want a Mastodon for massive games so I can Partybus my Alone and Forgotten blackshields, but besides that I'll never play a game that large I also can't imagine painting that well. Big models don't really work with my scorched armor color scheme.
>>97175118Can you tell me why? My buddy is doing mech and can't figure out the tech magic bullshit
>>97175107Their "presence"? Care to elaborate?
>>97175133They were designed for the new models. They won't necessarily match up with the old models, therefore I do not desire them.
Saturnussy
>>97175115There is space for an autoloader. Look up the T114 prototype tank. Literally an offset autoloaded 105mm gun. And based on the layout of the Kratos and singular cupola (for the commander) it's even clearer it'd be autoloaded. You could feasibly have a carousel loader like in the T-72/80 series in the turret ring feeding rounds vertically into the battlecannon.
>>97175080>Mr.Giggles giggles because he sees a mastodon which GW will sell in plastic for $250>I bought the thing in resin for $136.50 from china which is cheaper than any plastic mastodon could ever be from GWGW doesn't make it hard at all.
>>97175122It lets you control objectives.
>>97175118>the bemefits aren't worth getting pinnedHuh? I thought it was the character what became unable to be pinned as he's attached to a unit (automata) that cannot be Pinned
>>97175156gay
>>97175158the FAQ changed tthe rules that mixed units remove all status vulnerabilities instantly from a unit.
>>97175120How many points is a Mastodon, and what can it kill with that monster melta? It feels like a helepolis-ram siege engine, and it might be the one thing that can survive-and-kill a Thanatar Calix
>>97175115>>So you must be a british no-guns non-tanker to appreciate the kratos battlecannon design.Anon who asked originally, I'm an AMERICAN no-guns non-tanker thank you very much! However I appreciate your feedback
>>97175158"Page 175 - Automata TypeAdd the following to the end of the first bullet point:‘However, if a Unit that contains any Models with theAutomata Type also includes any Models that do not havethe Automata Type, that Check must be made using theCharacteristics of one of the Models that does not havethe Automata Type and is not automatically passed."
>>97175181No, the point of the partybus isn't to be killy but to be able to deliver your dudes into the optimal position. The sponsons aren't relevant, though at a points cost of a mastondon it'd be nice if they could pull some weight, it's about making sure your guys make it across the table.Thought at an 11"-17" rush rate that isn't really an issue.
Worth a read?
>>97175158
>>97175172That's dumb. Rules can't affect me if I don't read them anyways>*Gives a paragon blade to a herald or something*
>>97175201No.
>>97175197>>97175201>>97175206Noooo!
>Take 500 points worth of tooled up Magos so you don't have to field like 80 robots and you neex like 20 detachments to make an admec list>Sit them in cover at the back of the board because they are a libaility to any unit they joinLuv 3.0
>>97175181it's basically a point-blank drilling laser for melting through fortress walls so it can crash inside and blow its load in their defenseless innards.12" (6" melta) with just one shot, S10 Ap2 Dmg4 with 5" blast. That 5" blast means it's nearly impossible for it to miss a tank when it's driving 6" away from them to try to melta them for 8 wounds. But because it's so huge and slow and only dangerous to 6", it's impossible to use it as a battle tank, it's only there to be a transport who just so happens to obliterate landraiders sitting on the objective it's deploying to.
>>97175219SUFFER THE WEAKNESSES OF COGNIZANCE
>>97175219>all you have to do is push this button, and the robots will proceed to fuck the enemy in his face.>disable the nerd's hand so he cannot push said button, and the robots are unable to fuck the enemy in his face!
>>97175199>The sponsons aren't relevant (...) it's about making sure your guys make it across the tableAnd they shall, seeing how vehicles and superheavies are basically unstoppable now. But I do know the mastodon is armed with a stone-burning melta array of some sort. I bet you could aim that at some worthy targetDone 1.5 times per game, it still won't make its points back, but it'll have helped a bit.
>>97175241No superheavy ever makes its points back
>>97175239Cortex controlers were a better way of dealing with this, even if it meant the marines were better at fielding robots that the mecanicum
>>97175241the problem with the whole "shoot your way to an objective" strat is it doesnt work in HH3.Superheavy doesn't allow the 10" thing to move through walls, only light grass.Shooting happens after the movement phase, so your 1000 point mastodon deathstar is unable to drive through any enemy vehicles at all. That means for just 45 points for 2 infiltrating tarrantula turrets, he can block the 2 roads in front of your mastodon so you must stop moving for the entire turn, then shoot them, then he can drive an empty 60 point rhino in front of your mastodon on his turn, you cannot move anywhere on turn 2 and aren't contesting any objective, he shoots the rhino, then turn 3 he drives another empty rhino in front of your mastodon. Maybe, maaaaybe turn 4 you can get it moving slightly. Oh, the game ends in 4 turns.
>>97175270this is handled so much better in the game Infinity. Each activation of a unit has 2 parts. So you can do Move-Move, or Move-Shoot, or Shoot-Move.It'd allow something like a mastodon to vaporize the rhino in front of it first, then move 10" forwards afterwards. Warhammer, having shit rules, doesn't have this, so it's trivial to cockblock a transport over and over again with disposable 20-50 point roadblock units.
>>97175005Wait, are there only three body sculpts for the terminators?
>>97174883That is not my expiriance with any table top game. If it is yours, then I can only congratulate you.
>>97175270And lets not forget that with all the points in the masto+deathstar, the person also doesn't have the points to push objectives. While his opponents does. So even if by turn 3 his opponent decided to let the masto player ignore core rules, charge through stuff etc they are still losing because of math and line 2.
>>97175283And the anwser to this would be deploying 4 tarantulas instead of a rhino and 2. each a separate vehicle. each has to be targete separatly. And again, no one says you can't take 6 or 8 or 10. I have seen 8 and 10 a lot lately.
>>97175323looks like six>>97175283Space Hulk plays that way, with AP to choose what you're going to doit's extremely limiting and doesn't work on an open tabletop (why nobody plays infinity)
>>97175341Funnily enough my local HH group is balancing the amount and type of line units we bring this edition vs dreads in 2.0.
Holy shit, just finished Ashes of the Imperium.What a display of complete idiocy, how the hell does ROBOUTE FUCKING GUILLIMAN get constantly, and reliably outwitted by a fucking Apothecary noone's ever heard of?And the cherry on the cake of pure shit of course, is that the only reason the UMs didn't just orbitally annihilate the Luna Citadel is to "preserve the Gene-looms" which the Traitors naturally destroyed before allowing them to fall into Loyalist hands again.The book is just an endless list of retarded strategic decisions and tactical blunders by the one Legion that supposedly avoids making those above all other Legions.I am thoroughly disappointed in this retarded book, there were a million ways to make the Sons of Horus and other traitors look decent by getting away from the Sol System, but making the UMs look completely incompetent and getting bogged down in a bargain bin "Iron Cage"Adding insult to injury, the Mary Sue Apothecary who slaughters a whole command squad wins a duel with a honor guard because "the Ultramarine didn't really want to be here"Chris Wraight must have been smoking some proper dogshit when writing this drivel.
>>97175391it works great on an open tabletop. People stopped buying infinity because metal prices went up 400% and they had to transition to shitty forgeworld resin and forgeworld prices while not having nostalgia-goggles of braindead 40k players willing to buy shitty overpriced resin in a gay setting.The rules themselves were a blast.The free reactions doesn't work on wide open table, they'd have to split reactions into paid-reactions and free-reactions and make paid-reactions like shooting a moving unit cost points like reaction points in horus heresy already do.
>>97175201>Horus HeresyNo
>>97175391also, there's zero reason why a game benefits from a wide open bowling ball tabletop. Neither horus heresy or 40k are playable without heavy terrain with their trash rules already. Have you not seen tournament layouts in the last 10 years?!
>3.0
>>97175270>Entire assumption is built on the fact that the player wont do anything with the rest of his army to stop this
>>97175005>Decimation. Now.
>>97175239>nerd wanders off, still debilitated>robots proceed to fuck your mouth, but won't be able to interface with the mission objective when they get there because the weak human is still retching in the corner.
>>97175406>anon shits in a book while missing all the plot pointsWhat part of saving the black ships and the fucking top Primus medicae of the SoH did you not understand?Why all the antiBL shills are so illiterate?
>>97175750the word shill means someone paid to praise complete garbage. It is impossible to be "an antiBL shill". BL writing is entirely garbage and disliking it cannot possibly be shilling as nobody is ever paid to dislike it no matter how trash it is.
>>97173404here, anon: https://gofile.io/d/o8ZZ1N>>97175201It's entertaining but has a few continuity issues. At the time it wasn't well received because it doesn't advance the main plot of the series. Go for it, IMO>>97175218>>97175219>>97175229YES
>>97175758Shup up, subhuman. Go back to your antiGW discord
>>97175610Why the fuck am I the one getting decimated? What for?
>>97175323Looks like 6 to me
>>97175005The new cata looks so bad, ughTime to hoard the old kit and buy tortuga bodies
>>97175788>thinking perturbaby needs a reason to decimate
>>97175800Feels like a win-win then as I sold my old ones last year cause I fucking hated the floating double shoulderpads.
man you guys were not kidding the plastic thallax are a real pain in the neck to assemble, so many tiny pieces. Damn if they don't look awesome though..
>ebay prices for softcover versions of malevolence Damn why is that book so expensive? Hardcover isn't even available too.
>>97172787>TQThe Mastodon calls to me in my dreams.
>>97175826That's an easy fix compared to the new lanky proportions, tiny power fists, and deformed torsos
Are EC Inductii worth the points in 3.0? I found a scan of the new tormentors for EC from 40k and wanted to use the pistol and sword arms on Mk VI marines for them but 290 points for 20 seems like a bit much
>>97175868Does everybody just have wet dreams about the herkimer?
I have unironically patterned myself after Alpharius and I can't stop. Help.
>>97175928You deserve to suffer!
>>97175837Helps that they really are hot shit this edition. Love my jump pack veteran assault heavy supports that can score at Line 2 with an attached magos, they seem much better than Casties as line troops even if they do slow down somewhat.
>>97175958Huge respect to Thallax, but I find the Castellax are like, the best model ever.Also, nothing stopping us from just running both.
