Emptiness Edition>Banshttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/banned-and-restricted-november-10-2025>NewsThe 2025 Magic Con and Pro Tour Schedule:https://www.magic.gg/news/the-2025-magiccon-and-pro-tour-schedule>Metagame Mentor: The Winners and Losers from Standard's 2025 Rotationhttps://www.magic.gg/news/metagame-mentor-the-winners-and-losers-from-standards-2025-rotation>Spoilershttp://www.magicspoiler.com/https://mythicspoiler.com/CONSTRUCTED RESOURCES>Current meta, complete with deck listshttps://www.mtgtop8.com/https://www.mtggoldfish.com/metagame/>Build and share casual deckshttps://deckstats.net/https://tappedout.net/CUBE RESOURCES>Build and share Cubeshttps://cubecobra.com/landingCARD RESOURCES>Search engineshttps://scryfall.com/https://mtg.wtf/>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://www.makeplayingcards.com/https://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Play online for freehttps://untap.in/https://dr4ft.info/>What is EDH?https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1>The Slop is for the Pigs. Pigs eat Slop.https://x.com/RealPokemoki/status/1972817965847617963>WotC's War Crimeshttps://pastebin.com/JRYDiAjq (OLD)https://pastebin.com/nEcKGAys (NEW)>Previously>>97176697 >TQDo you play Commander/EDH at all?
>TQYes, but only by myself in my room, completely alone when no one's watching.I just love building decks.
>>97183472>TQNo.
>>97183472>TQused to play it a little bit with some friends but it's honestly just ok at the best of times and boring the rest of timeits also the most insufferable format to ever play with randoms and i genuinely dont get how it got popular at lgs's
The only time I played EDH was once on Cockatrice with school friends. One match took three hours with them repeatedly going off on tangents causing a single turn to last 30 minutes. I ended up just playing Hearthstone on my other monitor while F6ing when it wasn't my turn, then saying I felt ill and went to bed. It was AWFUL.
>>97183623>i genuinely dont get how it got popular at lgs'sIt’s a game for shallow egotists. Like the vocaroo explains it’s like a ttrpg but without the DM, roleplay, and everything else that takes work. It’s not magic. It’s a cancer wearing magic’s skin that is supposedly a diplomacy game but just turns into kingmaking and retards fucking everyone else for petty bullshit. I hate commander. I hate the people who play commander. I hate WoTC for pandering to them. I hate modern sets with obvious commander bait cards. I hate the fucking PRECONS made specifically for commander now instead of duel decks. I hate how UB has turned commander into cloud vs fucking spongebob vs a virtual singer vs eisenhorn from 40k. I hate BLACK ARAGORN! I hate this fucking game so fucking much because it was once great. It could be the greatest game ever made. Instead it has turned into corporate slop for disgusting egotistical pigs.
>>97183692>Instead it has turned into corporate slop for disgusting egotistical pigs.That is just overall modern game design.When's the last time you played any other pvp game and genuinely had an interesting back and forth and weren't just playing solitaire until your opponent played solitaire?With companies doing their hardest to appeal to the broadest consumer masses that do not enjoy games but only seek any venue to "win" and get dopamine or live out a power fantasy, non-games, isekai reincarnation and capeshit slop is what you get.That's not even corporate; it's just pure market analyzation because that's the audience now.You want to play an actual game? Too bad, buddy, wrong universe, wrong reality, wrong timeline.
> TQSome friends dragged me to play with precons once. I hated it. No interaction, just everyone jerking themselves into the biggest explosive creatures.
Even if you were to make a good game, it would instantly die because people who want to play actual games are a minority of a minority
Is there any chance they will reprint Painter in Lorwyn or should I buy a playset now?
>>97183735I can see it in the bonus sheet/special guests, which wouldn't affect its price much.
>>97183737The avatar FoN is $35 while the version a normal human being would want to own are $45-55.20-30% off is not insignificant
>>97183765That may be because the avatar bonus sheet particularly looks like ass
Guys hear my out:What if: Elden Ring/Sekiro/Bloodborne UB
>>97183854It would be hilarious to have Dark Souls cards with the most popular playser messages as the flavor texts
to my knowledge, the first mono-blue creature with reachever
>vigilance>reach>draw a card>every color>copy ability twicejust let every card win the game when it etbs at this point
>>97183977forget it Jake, it's Commander
>>97183956This card is so stupid. Why does it have vigilance if you can't attack and tap it to copy it's own trigger?
>>97183977why you be malding over a 3 mana do nothing bro
>hits artifacts>hits enchantments>hits creatures>hits planeswalkersthis is my favorite removal spell at the moment
Wow what a nice photo
>>97182609So many retards outing themselves
>>97184164Who's the black blur?
>>97184173Huh?Oh, that big black blur on the left? The one covering something or someone? The one in a perfect position where he could’ve just cropped it out but instead chose to sloppily cover it up?Don’t worry about it.
>>97184173Black blur? Comrade are you feeling ok? There is nothing there, there never was anybody there.
Im still mad about splitting the shock lands. I like both the EoE style and the Lorwyn styles, but I cant have the full 10 with consistent styles.
>>97183539Source?
https://www.tumblr.com/markrosewater/803004920167120896/maros-lorwyn-eclipsed-teaser-before-previewsNiggle Rogue bros ... we are so back
>>97184217>a planeswalker that makes kithkin tokensI wish we didn’t already know Ajani was gonna be in the set because if mistmeadow jack was a planeswalker I would lose my shit
>TQ Yeah when I'm on the road. The most common events at lgs have been commander so if I want to play magic thats usually what were playingI've got one dragonlord ojutai deck that I made from my trade binder.
>>97184203https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ujZdhrW-Jg8They should make a UB secret lair collector booster big penis draft set booster boxes of this
I have around 50k cards and slowly losing track which cards I physically own and what I traded away and which boxes are the cards in.Is it worth to take the time and scan all cards in an app and add notes where the cards are physically located? It feels like it would be helpful but it would also take forever.
>>97184217>A card that tutors every turn>A(nother) card that copies triggers>A keyword introduced in 2025 returns The long awaited return of "Saddle"Truly, this is a return to Magic the Gathering
>>97184223ty, cute animations
>>97184217>Things to expect: • a planeswalker that makes Kithkin creature tokens• kindred reprints• some counters in the set: charge, dream, flying, first strike, indestructible, and lifelink• another card is the Thirst for ________ series• another card that makes something a Coward• a card that tutors every turn• a new card that copies triggers• a keyword introduced in 2025 returns• a number of Lorwyn/Shadowmoor block mechanics have cameos• some tokens in the set: 1/1 colorless Shapeshifter, 1/1 blue/black Faerie, 2/2 black and green Elf, 3/3 green Elk, and 3/4 green Treefolk>Text that will be on cards: • “As this artifact enters, choose Elemental, Elf, Faerie, Giant, Goblin, Kithkin, Merfolk, or Treefolk.”• “where X is the difference between its power and toughness.”• “Counter all spells your opponents control”• “Spend only to cast spells with a mana value 4 or greater.”• “If this is the third time this ability has resolved this turn,”• “This creature enters with six -1/-1 counters.”• “At the beginning of each end step, if you put a counter on a creature this turn,”• “You may cast that card without paying its mana cost if the spell’s mana value is less than or equal to the amount of life you gained this turn.”• “Add X {G} or X {W} where X is the number of other creatures you control.”• “Double all damage that sources you control of the chosen type would deal.”>Creature type lines:• Kithkin Ranger• Elemental Scout• Faerie Assassin• Noggle Rogue• Goblin Sorcerer• Ouphe• Giant Mercenary• Treefolk Cleric• Horse Serpent• Legendary Elf Faerie Noble>Names in the set: • Bark of Doran• Champions of the Perfect• Chaos Spewer• Flitterwing Nuisance• Gilt-Leaf’s Embrace• Glister Bairn• Mirrorform• Moonglove Extractor• Moonshadow• Scuzzback Scrounger
>>97184217>“As this artifact enters, choose Elemental, Elf, Faerie, Giant, Goblin, Kithkin, Merfolk, or Treefolk.”>“Double all damage that sources you control of the chosen type would deal.”Looking bleak for generic tribal cards. I wouldn't be surprised if the latter is just a 2-mana version of Shared Animosity, though of course it might still be 3.
>>97184235>a planeswalker that makes Kithkin creature tokensStopped reading there.
>>97184225It’s worth it. Just make sure to pick a good app so you don’t waste time on a POS that can’t export to other platforms. I usually see some times aside to scan while watching TV.Also know that thanks to WOTC printing 1000+ alt styles for every rare since the original Eldraine, newer cards can be frustrating to scan properly. If you’re not worried about value and just want to know if you have a card for deckbuilding reasons this is less of a problem.I would’ve recommended helvault years ago, but I think it got nuked. The TCGplayer app is also far worse than it used to be.
>>97184235>a keyword introduced in 2025 returnsWoah, straight in the nostalgia! Things I remember, things I recognize.
Where the fuck is mutate?
>>97184235Of course they have to do tribal reprints with the new nameExpect everything remotely playable to be in either the main set or edh decksIt would literally be antisemetic if they didnt
whats the point of inventing new keywords and shit if you never revisit thembattles are a better idea than planeswalker cancer
https://www.tumblr.com/markrosewater/803004920167120896/maros-lorwyn-eclipsed-teaser-before-previewsand here we go
>>97184226Does behold count as introduced in 2025? It's probably that if we're doing a tribal set.
>>97184263>artifact that boosts giantsMaybe i can fill out my giant edh deck>treefolk clericClerics are a poor man's monk, but I'll take it I guess
>>97184263>and here we go
>>97184248In the trash, where it belongeth
>>97184263I don’t see a lot of interesting stuff honestly…
>>97184263>Thirst for ________
https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordplay/word-of-the-yearPigbros we won!
>>97183956Blue already gets fliers at 1 mana so the cope is that it's in-pie because it's a weaker version of something blue already has.
>>97184353futa cock
>>97184235>noggles are backthis is the only thing that matters
>>97183956that's a WURG card thoughbeit
>>97184409Which is weird with Shadowmoor gone.
>>97184173
>>97184353Ugin's cock, with artwork featuring Gay Bolas.
>>97183472>TQI have tried playing EDH, I've even tried to like it. When I came back to magic after covid and found out that every paper 60 card format was dead, I pushed myself to get into it. It just isn't for me. Everything about it is wrong, from the deck size and card restrictions to the lame commander rules, and I hate how there isn't a codified list of cards available and instead you're just praying people like your deck that day. I hate the stupid fucking social politics aspect so much, I play games to not have to do that shit. And the 1v1 tempo of going card for card is completely gone, replaced with bloated piles of value and gay ass main character cards.There is just nothing there for me, and if standard becomes any worse over the next year I'll be going back to YGO permanently. A big board game just isn't what I come to a card game like this for. I don't understand how so many supposed fans of magic so readily adopted a game whose heart is sinply not in the cards.
>>97184428isn't the plane called lorwyn-shadowmoor now? arent the day and night sides supposed to be merged? or did they retcon that?
>>97184444We shall see. Post your face when Noggles are gay and lame now.
>>97183956Please tell people are going to see reason next year and stop considering universes beyond cards as legal for 1 v 1 formats.
are you ready anons?
Am I the only one that hates the look of full art lands because of how the border doesn't fit with the rest of my deck? I pretty much exclusively use basics with the true modern border.
It's over. 60-card formats have been annihilated from the collective psyche.
>>97184533It's been the thing for a while now. Go to r*ddit Magic board and search for a "new Magic player here". It's about Commander more often than not.
>>97184533>commandercreep already ruined 60card formats>60 card formats are not but t2 aggroslop>blaming some literal who goonerbaittubers with viewbots because ?????I do not understand
>>97184564Standard:>pay hundreds of dollars for a good deck and then $10 entry every fridayDraft:>pay $20 every fridayCommander:>pay $40 once and then go play every weekend for free and maybe spend $15 every now and then if you feel like itIt should be obvious why.
>>97183956It is not
>>97184492we need mutavault tribal
>>97184444Half the plane is Lorwyn, the other half is Shadowmoor. Zone shift occasionally. Step into a zone, shift into the form of that zone.
>>97184582That's great and but it simply isn't the same gameplay experience. Commander isn't magic.
>>97184235>kindred>double all damage
>>97184443Pokemon is a what yu-gi-oh wishes it could be. Pokemon you can still win and lose based on how you sequence effects and the luck of cards revealed.>>97184582Standard> Play against meta slaves and children with un-optimal piles.100% would if standard wasn't awfulSealed> $40 for whatever they give you to build a deck out of.Sealed has too much luck involved for me to want to play regularlyCommander Casual> Hangout with other social rejects on a Monday night. Resist the urge to act like a toddler because someone did something 'illogical' in a politic environment.0% I would cause 3 people to have a tantrum when I MLD while laughing
>>97184763>Pokemon is a what yu-gi-oh wishes it could be. Pokemon you can still win and lose based on how you sequence effects and the luck of cards revealed.Pokemon is what gay ass timmies wish magic could be, a game focused around your main character monster where interaction is limited and combos are heavily restricted to prevent gameplay that doesn't basically devolve into pumping up your main character monster. Almost like commander! Yugioh is what I wish magic could be more like. I like combos, interaction, and a back and forth gameplay. I don't much care for big creatures or the combat aspect of any of the major tcgs.
>>97184533I still don’t get vtubers. I don’t mean that in an “out of touch” way. I understand the “appeal.” But I don’t understand how shameless people are about liking them. It’s even worse than the twitch thots.
>>97183472>TQYes, but only with my friends. Granted, that's all we ever play, but still
>>97184586Devoid eldrazi get reach because they have no color. The blue is relevant to the tap ability.I know this is cheating already but there’s a gradient.
>>97184827It's the same people that go "Look at me, I like anime!" rather than just being a normal person and not saying it out loud.
Pigs eat slop.
>>97184827Thankfully it seems like it's dying out.
>>97184533https://hololive-mtg-proxies.neocities.org/
>>97184827The anime avatar provides a layer of abstraction from the flesh and bone streamer that some find more comfortable than a regular e-thot. Also it allows a wider variety of chicks (fatties, butterfaces, hags, chicks who just plain don't want to get all dolled up for every stream) to get an audience, which leads to a wider variety of content.But all that said, it still relies on the same desire to watch a cute girl engage with your interests even if deep down you know they're just in it for the simp bucks.
>>97184875We’re at a weird point where “normal” people (who are nevertheless socially awkward) are swarming over anime and adjacent cultural products to the point that they’re just part of the DNA of Gen Z and alpha. I don’t have a better term for them than “normie otaku” but you know what I mean when I say that. They love battle shonen and NGE and aliexpress cosplays and doing TikTok dances but they entered into a situation where the social stigma had been completely eroded and so lack both inhibition and taste. Commonly overlaps with the “quirky” e-girl or boy archetype but some of those types are more obviously invested like fujoshi or VN heads.Basically, this is the type of person with the anime boob playmat who loses their mind over draft chaff anime arts like spectral sailor.
>>97184894Based Ron Spencer
>>97184915I understand the appeal much more from the side of the “performer” for the reasons you said, but I don’t agree that there’s a wider variety of content. They still just play FOTM streamer bait, do karaoke bullshit, etc. I thought Kizuna AI was funny and charming for the novelty of it, but most of the people after the first hololive wave didn’t even bother to stick to a character.
>>97184827It's pagan idol worship for the 21st century. They sit down in front of idols sculpted to resemble the unattainable ideals of beauty and and shower them with worship, attention, praise, and gifts.
>>97184889is that a fucking Oko
>>97184941don't worry he's not allowed to be good anymore so his card will be mediocre at best
>>97184941He thinks he's a kithkin now, don't be transphobic.
>>97184639Ive played enough 60 card and edh to know you are just hella salty when you say this lol
>>97184889>Oko was secretly Oona’s first attempt at an avatar before Maralen despite this never having been mentioned before and it flatly contradicting his previously-presented backstoryHoly retcons, Batman.
>>97184941He’s related to Oona now for some reason
>>97184964jesus christ he hit the wall lmao, total twink death
>>97184978>>97184979
>>97184978Ugh
>>97184978>>97184981Hang on, this means he’s factually over 64 years old.
Did they get fed up with shoving Oko’s kid whose race and personality changes every 5 seconds into every set so they had to swap back to big daddy himself? Couldn’t the omenpaths have been a way to tell stories without shoving 20 known walkers into each event and just relegating them to cameos?
>>97185023Yeah, but he's Fey, so it's like 18 in human people years.
>>97185030Well, to be fair, Oko hasn’t shown up since Thunder Junction, which was>April 2024Jesus Christ, what? Every other area of my life, things that seem recent were years ago. Now you’re telling me that a Magic set that feels like it was five years in the past came out only last year?
>>97185065If you think that’s bad wait for the whiplash you’ll get when the second they’re done with Lorwyn previews JOTC is going to vomit out ninja turtle cards faster than you can say “what in-universe?”
will we be allowed to have fun again
>>97184976Yes I am salty that the most popular paper format is some stupid multiplayer shitfest. I like instants and sorceries that do one thing and one thing only. That's magic at its core.
>>97185108>actually turning your food tokens into elkWow just as R&D intended
>>97185030Omenpaths are just a way to shove more Legendary Creatures into every set.
Anyway, story. https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/magic-story/lorwyn-eclipsed-episode-6-full-of-hateful-fantasies>Isilu and Maralen's faerie brother approach while the Shadowmoor'd Kitkin all rally against literally everybody else present>Ashling takes the time to lecture Tam on how they're so much more well-united at night than at day, causing Tam to ask if this is really the time>Ashling says she'll take any time there's a clear example to point out the good and bad of day and night both>Maralen's joyous to see her brother again, but the faerie doesn't seem to care much in return and Isilu approaches the group, before suddenly encircling them and the kithkin, making Tam and Sanar both surprised that it's protecting them as they're not natives>Maralen continues to try and get her brother to talk, but he won't>The elves approach, showing they've got small sunlight elementals contained to maintain their Lorwyn selves in the night, which enrages Ashling>Maralen continues to talk about her brother, annoyed now, thinking maybe he doesn't recognise her, she did grow up after all>The elves charge, and the kithkin fire upon them, causing some to drop their captive elementals, who quickly are freed and flee to Lorwyn, leaving their captors to become Shadowmoor selves, who try to flee in turn but find the Lorwyn elves fighting them>Despite the infighting, the elves are still getting close, and Isilu bellows a warning>The faerie brother suddenly yanks Maralen's hair to direct her attention towards a different team of approaching elves from behind before flying away>One's about to loose an arrow at them, but then a rock hits in the head, courtesy of Sanar>Sanar goes onto a small rant about having no idea who's in the right or wrong or whatever here he just wants to fucking go home>Then he throws another rock, hitting another elf, knocking another elemental loose and turning its bearer to Shadowmoor
>>97184763>"pokemon is what yugioh wishes to be">he doesn't know it's yugioh+hearthstone but even worse>"luck"anon, shut the hell up
>>97183977Um its only 4 colors.
>>97184237>one-sided Furnace of Rath>2-manaPower creep has been bad, but it hasn’t been THAT bad.
>>97185155I know. But why is it always the same fucking walkers? At least the vedalken who fucked off to eldraine was interesting.
>>97184889Why with the fuck huge amount of cool PW that exist we are getting Oko AGAIN?
>>97185170>The bearer is very confused but soon takes out her sword and fights>The kithkin charge the remaining elves, Ashling throws some fire, Sanar throws rocks and Tam does... Something that fucks with probability I guess>Maralen panics and does very little because she has no real weapons>And then Tam gets an arrow in the stomach, causing Sanar to panic, grab a fallen elf's sword, and try to fight to her and it's a whole chaotic mess>And then Sanar bumps into, hey everybody, it's Rhys>Rhys says he's there to fulfill the promise he made to Maralen, clearly thinking she's just Oona at this point, and her pleas fall on deaf ears>He delivers a small cut with a poisoned dagger, Maralen collapses and Rhys has a brief panic because she didn't fight back, promise him something, or any sort of Oona tactic>And then the faerie finally talks and shifts into a taller humanoid form, and hey everybody, it's Oko, surprise>Oko asks Rhys is he knows who he is, Rhys says Maralen doesn't have a brother, but Sanar talks about how she told them she did, etc.>Sanar then pleads for Oko and/or Rhys to actually do anything to help>Oko explains why he's here, basically he heard the plane was fucking itself up and despite swearing off family forever, he had to come back eventually>Initially he assumed Maralen to just be Oona, but quickly saw through the masks and realised how much Maralen was anxious and panicky, and accuses Rhys of somehow not seeing that too>Sanar tries to get him to help with Tam, but he retorts that Maralen is dying quicker, and he can't help Maralen anyway, so he's just gonna make sure Rhys knows he fucked up>Rhys protests that he genuinely thought she was becoming Oona, but Oko says "Yeah, we both did, but I figured she wasn't when she ran to save her plane">Rhys retorts that it was her brother that caused her to think she was turning into Oona in the first place with his chaos and pranks
>>97184235Damn, those are probably the most boring teaser he has ever made
>>97185237>>Oko explains why he's here, basically he heard the plane was fucking itself up and despite swearing off family forever, he had to come back eventually
Carry on, wayward son.
>>97185225White cares the MOST about planeswalkers now, remember? Nosewater said so, which clearly wasn’t another kikety lie
>>97185237>Then an elf charges them, Oko grabs his wrist and does his favourite trick and where there was an elf there's now an elk>The elf brought a captured sunlight thing with them, so Oko's into his Lorwyn look now, which seems to retain memories but does shift his personality to be a bit haughtier, a bit crueller>Sanar tries to fight off the still-attacking elves, but then Oko intervenes and they're all rabbits>Oko throws the elemental away, more comfortable in Shadowmoor, and proclaims that to attack Maralen is to attack the day, and to attack the day is to attack the night, so Rhys has made an enemy of him too>And then the thing nobody's ever prepared for, a very fast lion man, approaches, Kirol and Lluwen in tow>Kirol introduces Ajani to Sanar as Professor Vess's friend which annoys Ajani, then goes "oh shit what happened to Tam, where's Abigale">Sanar explains, while Tam seems to be muttering prime numbers under her breath for some reason>Ajani remarks that the Shadowmoor prince LOOKS familiar, and the prince goes "Oh, would that Vess be Liliana by chance?">Ajani asks how he knew, Oko finally introduces himself as that, saying he and Lili both planeswalked a lot in the same timeframe>Kirol and Ajani both move to inspect Maralen, with the poison thing being explained to them>Kirol explains that they've learned that many magical poisons have equal and opposite counters, and the moonglove poison's opposite is PROBABLY dawnglove, the flower they picked>They explain that Morcant is probably behind all this, leading Oko to piss off to try and deal with that>Ajani goes to heal Tam while Kirol and Sanar discuss having to find dawnglove to save Maralen>So off those two chucklefucks go>And they don't have to go far to find Morcant, a poison in one hand and a blade in the another waiting for the chance to approach Isilu>Kirol says they have to get the poison from her, and Sanar immediately throws a rock at her
>>97184248Restricted to Ikoria. Too complicated for normal sets but beloved by a minority.
>>97185281>She immediately turns to them and threatens death, but before she can do much, Lluwen (who wasn't with Ajani I just assumed) appears as his Shadowmoor self, headbutts Morcant, grabs the poison vial and tosses it to the pair then grabs something else from her, the thing that was letting Morcant stay Lorwyn>He turns back to Lorwyn Lluwen while Morcant, horrified, turns to her Shadowmoor self, who immediately humbly apologises to Isilu>Lorwyn Lluwen seems really confused, but is soon dragged along to see the queen
Also, Maro's teaser for ECL. https://www.tumblr.com/markrosewater/803004920167120896/maros-lorwyn-eclipsed-teaser-before-previews• PW that makes Kithkin creature tokens• kindred reprints• another card in the Thirst for ________ series• another card that makes something a Coward• a card that tutors every turn• a new card that copies triggers• a keyword introduced in 2025 returns• Lorwyn/Shadowmoor cameo mechanics• tokens: 1/1 colorless Shapeshifter, 1/1 blue/black Faerie, 2/2 black and green Elf, 3/3 green Elk, and 3/4 green Treefolk• “As this artifact enters, choose Elemental, Elf, Faerie, Giant, Goblin, Kithkin, Merfolk, or Treefolk.”• “where X is the difference between its power and toughness.”• “Counter all spells your opponents control”• “Spend only to cast spells with a mana value 4 or greater.”• “If this is the third time this ability has resolved this turn,”• “This creature enters with six -1/-1 counters.”• “At the beginning of each end step, if you put a counter on a creature this turn,”• “You may cast that card without paying its mana cost if the spell’s mana value is less than or equal to the amount of life you gained this turn.”• “Add X {G} or X {W} where X is the number of other creatures you control.”• “Double all damage that sources you control of the chosen type would deal.”• Creature – Kithkin Ranger• Creature – Elemental Scout• Creature – Faerie Assassin• Creature – Noggle Rogue• Creature – Goblin Sorcerer• Creature – Ouphe• Creature – Giant Mercenary• Creature – Treefolk Cleric• Creature – Horse Serpent• Legendary Creature – Elf Faerie Noble• Bark of Doran• Champions of the Perfect• Chaos Spewer• Flitterwing Nuisance• Gilt-Leaf’s Embrace• Glister Bairn• Mirrorform• Moonglove Extractor• Moonshadow• Scuzzback Scrounger
I hate the harry potter shit in Lorwyn there, I said it
>>97185030Kellan was only for 1 block Loot is the new character we're supposed to focus on.
>>97185334im in it for elf babes
>>97185335It's the students this arc, probably. Or Jace again, but more mysteriously.
>>97183472
>pic related>Ashaya, Soul of the World>Nikya of the Old WaysIs it possible to still build a deck like this? Just all creatures?
>>97185366Loot will still be a focus since he's Jace's adopted son compared to Tam his biological daughter. Loot will be the hated child while Tam the golden child. Just like Urza's son and the Metathrans.
>no battles>no interesting mechanics>oko planeswalker>homosexual art>shitty history>strixhaven 2.0bros... i thought you said lorwyn was gonna save us...
>>97185372it's not gonna be any good but sure
have you guys seen the lorwyn teaser yet?https://www.tumblr.com/markrosewater/803004920167120896/maros-lorwyn-eclipsed-teaser-before-previews
>>97185393dammit I was looking into it since I haven't played in a while and thought vexing shusher would help it out. It just seems like fun and I love to be as aggressive as humanely possible with minimum concern for control decks.
>>97185321It only gets funnier when posted the third time.
>>97185321>• a new card that copies triggersDoes anyone give a shit about this type of effect anymore? There's so many cards that copy spells, trigger and tokens now.
>>97185423I mean, should be good enough for the kitchen table. You didn't even tell us the format. Modern?
As bad as this looks like, friendly reminder we are getting ninja turtles next year.
>>97185392>no battlesFucking good, terrible card type that didn't need to be added to a game that is ALREADY about a battle
>>97185479Commander actually. The local hobby store for some reason only plays commander and i never see anyone play anything else.
>>97185294>Lluwen>called "Lulu" as a nickname>despite the fact that his name would be pronounced somewhere between "Fluwen" or "Thluwen"This one pisses me off on a level I can't clearly articulate.
>>97185237>And then the faerie finally talks and shifts into a taller humanoid form, and hey everybody, it's Oko, surpriseSo Puck is in the end Oberon (He paraphrases Shakespeare: I am that wretched — instead of merry — wanderer of the night). It could be a good twist but I guess it comes out of nowhere, am I right?
>>97185517The Ojer were pronounced as Ohair instead of the proper Nahuatl Oyer.
>>97185294>Lorwyn Lluwen seems really confused, but is soon dragged along to see the queenI mean, we already know from the Secrets of Strixhaven key art that he's coming back to Arcavios with the other four and enrolling in Witherbloom.
>>97185534God, did they really? I stopped paying attention to how they pronounced anything on that plane after they insisted on pronouncing it ICKSalan instead of Ishalan.
>>97185538Yes specifically the Mexican cultural consultant chose the pronunciation which makes it more infuriating.
>>97185505>>97185546
>>97185534No one even pronounces Islam or Huatli properly, which is funny because Huatli’s name sounds like WOTC (when said “watt-see”) and would’ve made for so many easy puns
>>97185550This the same motherfucker who decided that an indigenous spirit should have, as his name, the SPANISH word for grandfather?I don't mind half as much when people do this shit because they simply don't care. But, if you're committing to cultural consultants and trying to avoid narratives of colonialism, maybe you shouldn't be using the language and phonetics of the literal colonists for the native group equivalents. It just fucking rankles.
>>97185550>>97185572Reminds me of my mesoamerican archaeology professor in college who clearly didn’t want to be teaching the class and admitted day one he couldn’t pronounce anything in Nahuatl. Guy had a tenuous grasp of the English language and basically had us do peer presentations from the textbook every week.Not that he was a lazy guy. He was just always planning excavations in Guatemala and didn’t want to be teaching in the first place.
>>97185572You sound like a retarded right winger for calling out how BS cultural consulting is but it’s completely true, especially in California. They payed some random woman five figures to make sure Kaya didn’t come out like a jigaboo and brought on a firm to design the NOTvajo to be as inoffensive as possible by giving them 0 identity or homeland.
>>97185550>>97185572Lol, reminds me of the consultant they hired on Star Trek that was just a jewish dude larping as a native. To be fair he scammed a shitload of people but still, the shit he had them doing was hilariously obvious they were made up
>>97185613The pretendian menace never ends
>>97184827It has to do with women being insufferable now more than ever.Truth be told, If men looked like women, i'd have no problems, but even twinks look too faggy for me
>>97185613Fucking "Jamake Highwater". The worst part is that he'd been exposed almost a decade before they hired him for Voyager.
https://magic.wizards.com/en/news/making-magic/playing-to-lorwyn-part-2 There was a dig mechanic where you exiled cards with your lands and digged them up by tapping creatures. That's probably why there was a fossil sub-theme.Champion was magic's first evolution typed mechanic.Clash came up from wanting a non fighting conflict.Evoke were supposed to be instant and sorceries that turned into creatures but the rules don't support them on the battlefield.Tribal cards came about because they wanted goblin grenade to be a goblin spell.Kinship was supposed to be an improved kinship.Mark forgot why prowl was only on rogues. His dementia is worsening.Reinforce was a cycling variant.None of Morningtide's mechanics were loved.Mark chose to have Lorwyn focus on species types and Morningtide on class types.
>>97185594>You sound like a retarded right winger for caring about the degree of authenticity used when drawing inspiration from non-Western culturesThat's certainly an interesting take.
>>97185672>Mark forgot why prowl was only on rogues. His dementia is worsening.Mark made a big deal when Archangel’s Light was nerfed into its current form that it was originally much more powerful, but didn’t explain what it did because he wanted to reuse the general idea.He apparently forgot what it was supposed to do before he got to reuse it lol.
>>97185677“You” here being the impersonal second-person, as in “one sounds like a right winger for railing against cultural consulting on the surface because normies are trained in specific shibboleths and it seems to go against the grain.”
>>97185677The problem is they do the bare minimum and end up hiring scammers instead of people who actually know what authentic representation look like
>>97185677Peak woke is only now eclipsing but you risked seeming like a “PC has gone too far” guy for getting mad at certain overbearing and dumb decisions for a while there. When I was in college our student org meeting room had a poster from a Japanese band with the sunburst icon in the middle. Some freshman diasparoid chick said it was “like having the swastika in our room,” so the president of the org took down the band poster and got mad at me for suggesting this was ridiculous because “if it makes one person uncomfortable we should take it down.”She didn’t even end up joining the student org and I put the poster back up later lol
>>97185672>>97185721Man, it's been nearly twenty years. That's not dementia, that's normal.
>>97185750Did you actually care about the band, or was it just out of spite?
>LSV playing Premodern>Nassif playing PremodernGuys, I think we are back.
>>97185773Need to gatekeep competitive players out because they'll want to do away with proxies and make it a richfag circlejerk
>>97185766I liked the band. They had sent us a lot of CDs and posters for free and their shit was good.
>>97185805You can always just run UG madness if you are stricken by poverty.
>>97185824Moneyball black is really cheap
>>97184889There he is.That motherfucker.What a tool.
>>97185824I play suicide black which is cheap as fuck if you don't run Hatred. It's more about the principle of it. Every format ends up getting taken over by richfags and collectors (even pauper keeps creeping up). I don't want to see another fun community format devolve into 1k+ decks.
>>97185672Part 2The Shadowmoor block would instead focus on colors. Early on it was decided that Shadowmoor would utilize ally color hybrids and Eventide would utilize enemy color hybrids. Mark experiment by choosing to have the sets be 50% hybrids. Once the percentages were chosen he chose to make draft be monocolor focused. With hindsight Mark would have kept Shadowmoor's creatures in the same colors as Lorwyn.Persist and -1/-1 counters were moved from Lorwyn to Shadowmoor.Wither was a solution to them wanting damage to be permanent but it slows down games.Mark Gottlieb came up with the untap mechanic.Conspire was made because they need cards that affected spells and the color restriction was added to tie into the color matters theme.Shadowmoor's new creature types were made from needing creature that fit enemy colors. The team had scrounge more Celtic myths.Chroma was designed for a single card in Fifth Dawn but saved for a future set.Mark loves drafting monocolor decks. He wants to bring back colors matter.
>>97185525It's hard to say. We already had Oko's presence leaked so people were assuming from the start that the fuck-ass faerie was him, though him being Maralen's brother wasn't known (some theorised he was being retconned to be from Lorwyn though). You could make some guesses based on the way the faerie's Shadowmoor self was described as having something like a crown, much like Oko's crown of thorns, but this is clearly the moment where you're meant to learn it's him.Mostly it just feels like it's a bit at-odds with Oko as we know him, but that could be chalked up to the Oko we've known being his Lorwyn self, emptier and crueller than his somewhat more compassionate Shadowmoor side, even if they share memories. He had SOME regret for not treating Kellan right back in OTJ at least. I kinda wish they at least used the excuse that he had fucked-up memories of Lorwyn and didn't quite remember his origins because now his characterisation is "failed creation of Oona becomes too compassionate as a potential prince, sparks and flees and then... Fucks about as a trickster for 50-60 years?"
>>97185760It's pretty easy to deduce why prowl was limited to rogues.
>>97185874Flavour-wise, sure, but mechanically is the question Mark's asking, because mechanically the creature type related to Prowl is irrelevant, it's just whatever the type of the spell is.
>>97185831Yeah, and it is also popular so you build madness and then you don't get fucked as hard by their hand attack.>>97185848I see a bunch of lists running four copies of hatred and that honestly seems like too many. Shouldn't they be running three/two or something?
>>97185885Yeah, definitely too many since it's pretty much never something you want to see multiples of. But also the meta hasn't been completely figured out yet so lots of different variants of each deck
>>97185773>caring about what kikes doLmao you have no life
>>97185872Presumably the sparking event was traumatic enough that he decided "fuck authority structures in general", which makes at least a bit of sense out of the whole thing. But, yeah, it's sloppy.
Prof's newest trooned out boypussy sex slave. How does he keep getting away with it? What does his wife think?
>>97184533>When Commander was a niche format, they got supplements specifically aimed at it while Standard was the go-to way to play the game>now that 60-card is the niche format we get nothing while Commander still hogs pretty much every product line>they try to supplement Modern but ruin it instead Sigh
>>97185905I mean I get WHY they'd retcon Oko to be from Lorwyn, it ties him into the setting of Magic a bit more than him being from "vague place where the fae ruled I guess". It honestly feels sloppier to retcon that aspect into Maralen's backstory (it makes sense Oona wouldn't bring it up, why would she, but Maralen just didn't mention her lost brother all this time to anybody?)
>>97186007>What does his wife think?She's into it
>>97186007They call this going beast mode I'm pretty sure
>>97186034She must be a wittol.
>>97184533>>97184827>>97184934Most people who are 'into vtubers' now have never heard of Kizuna AI or Kagura Luna. That other anon put it well; they're skinwalkers wearing a costume to ride the wave of social acceptability of Japan. I just treat having them as an interest as a red flag for a low quality person.
>>97186021>Maralen just didn't mention her lost brother all this time to anybody?Well, that’s straightforward enough:>she thought he was dead, or as good as>telling Rhys she was getting access to more of Oona’s memories would be a dangerous proposition at best>she doesn’t actually have any other friends
>>97186059>Completely fuck up monster hunter secret lair>The slop pipeline just keeps spewing
>>97185805it was already destined to become that when they made the rule that only allowed old border cards and no new reprints
>>97186087She's at least mentioned to be friends with Ashling but I guess they make a point that Ashling's constantly on the move and they don't meet much. It's not the worst of retcons, but it does make some things feel more awkward. I assume they had it planned at least as far back as the stuff with Kellan, which explains some of Oko's actions in OTJ. You could even argue meeting Kellan rekindled a want to see his family, or at least his old home.
>>97185321>Counter all spells your opponents controlOh boy 4-mana interaction piece being printed into world where the game is over on turn 4 and the only format where it might be playable (casual Commander) is the one that has "can't be countered" on everything because you kept saying it's a feelsbad icky to counter something that's going to win the game on etb.
>>97186133>I assume they had it planned at least as far back as the stuff with KellanI would not make that assumption. Remember, when they were planning the Kellan arc, they thought this was going to be a lot sooner because sets weren’t assumed to be 50% UB. That would have been an even more immediate reprisal for Oko than it already is.
>>97186153I think it makes sense if they did, because it explains why Kellan grows in power as much as he does, Oko's musings on family in OTJ's story, etc.
>>97186168I guess it’s nice to see that someone hasn’t lost all faith in WotC’s story team. I’m just too jaded at this point to think they’ve planned anything further in advance than strictly necessary.
>>97186007>UB is so bad that prof has to cope by rawdogging tranniesI like him more when he was an alcoholic
>>97186114At least every event I've played in has allowed proxies and gold bordered cards. Format is dead if they disallow them
>>97186176They've clearly at least planned out the broader strokes of this current arc. I'm sure SOME stuff has shifted midway through, but these stories are written months before they're even out. Sometimes there's last-minute editing to make things make sense (like EOE's story changing the description of the cat Mirri to match Sami's art) but nothing major.
>>97184235he is threatening players again with ikoria nostalgia
>>97186007Is boy ass worth running your youtube channel to the ground?
>>97186007>that gigantic headevery fucking time
>>97186216??? His channel is still going strong, judging by the fact that it still gets posted here.
>>97184776Pokemon is way more balanced and is actually growing as a competitive game in contrast to what MTG is doing tho...also it's obvious you never played the game as many one of the most popular archetype right now softlocks you into not being able to play the game until they have set up. You are also forced to manage your resources way more while having spells that feels like you're playing vintage. Honestly in 2025 it's the better strategy game. They also tend to print direct hard counters to the popular decks so you can always kinda (i mean top meta is always top meta for a reason) stand a fighting chance with your favorite pokemon. Kinda funny to compare the audience and presentation difference between the pokemon world championship and the mtg world championship.
>>97184235YAAAHHOOOOOTHERE IT IS! HE HAS DONE IT AGAIN AGAINWE GOT THE MANDATORY DOUBLING FOR A SETDOUBLING DOUBLING DOUBLINGYIPPEEEEEEE
>>97186291I blame hearthstone for most this.
>>97186284Pokemon is dogshit. I looked at getting into it competitively when I was living somewhere with a massive scene as a way to dunk on nerds for easy cash, but the core of the TCG is just so bad it's unplayable.
>>97184894man nulorwyn looks so shit and gay. just look at this crap.
>>97186194lol you social media kids have the most retarded obsessions
>>97186284>
>>97186307Bait?
>>97186194>cucked by a nigger>supports a company that replaced the majority white Caucasian population with niggers in Magic cards especially mono whiteI mean it sounds about par for course
>>97186216The type of autists that are attracted to EDH are also susceptible to trooning out. He is actually great at marketing. WOTC big names will appear on his show, so he contracts works for WOTC. He complains about UB because it reminds him that he's stuck with magic no matter how shit it becomes. The access to prime dick girls is the only solace he gets
>>97186300>Pokemon is dogshit.Why? I would argue mtg is in a worse state as a game.
>>97186007He has a websitehttps://jesserobkin.com/twitter: @tiddypills >It’s been 28 months since Austin left his childhood home in the wake of a tragic accident without saying good-bye. Now he’s come back to celebrate Christmas, and, hopefully, reconcile with his estranged parents — if he can tell them he’s not their daughter anymore, of course. Welcome home, Austin.He could have dieted for a couple to months to get rid of his belly. But then his tiddies would be smaller.
>>97186373NTA but Pokemon (as an actual card game) is fucking terrible and the gameplay is uninteractive and extremely linear. Easily the worst of the big three on the metric of gameplay.
>>97186400>in wake of a tragic accidentSTOP *CLAP* MISGENDERING *CLAP* US *CLAP*
>>97186373anon, we all know (you) just want to argueinsane how zoomers cannot for the life of them figure out how to get the attention they so insanely crave without being contrarian retards
>>97186444Bait is far older than zoomers
Reminder that 2026 will have more Universes Beyond sets than regular sets.
>>97186454Nigga shut the fuck up and lurk moar
>>97185773I just watched Nassif get soloed by a Xantid Swarm, it's a good format.
>>97186312>appeal to trivialityWhy do you care about what I care?
>>97186494
>>97185321>• “Counter all spells your opponents control”I'M COOMMANDING OOOOOOOOHH
>>97186007This shit will always be weird to me. I can only hope the trend stops soon. Like emos or whatever.
>>97186560hu/hu
>>97186284Pokemon having no instant speed interaction makes it worse then MtG and even Yugioh.It's also insanely fucking luck based. Coinflips are rarely used for a reason.
>>97186541One day they will go extinct.
Why don't we get the fun comics and the minigames? Why is all of this stuff reserved for JP?
>>97186560>its not a phase dad>makes self infertile >uh oh better double down, otherwise I look like the world's dumbest lemming yeah shit's gunna get interesting
>>97186584I mean, seriously, why not translate this stuff and post it on the western side? It wouldn't cost them anything and it would be a nice way to do advertising. Do they just hate money?
>>97186610Good thing magic has become better since 2015.
>>97186560Soon
>>97186373sorcery speed only
>>97186604where is the joke? the comic is clearly trying to be funny but I don't get the punchline
>>97186663The artifact urza is pulling out is his Sylex, a magic nuke he used against Phyrexia that caused such catastrophic collateral damage that it collapsed society on his planet and started an ice age. Karn is traumatized remembering this and immediately stops Urza from proceeding.It's not very funny even if you get it
>>97186663Urza was going to nuke the shop, the city and probably the continent and kill millions of people.See, it's funny because it's Urza and he does stuff like that.
>>97186682Well, he didn't *really* use it against Phyrexia, he used it against his brother, no? He didn't even know what Phyrexia was back then.
The funny thing is the escalation between things not going well in a pre-release and resorting to nuking your LGS.
>>97186698A guy once punched another guy in my LGS for hiding a removal spell beneath his sleeve
>>97186692Urza was so cool and retarded they should make him the main character again.
>>97186728If I had tyrannical control over WotC I'd have them make a travellogue set over 10-20 planes or so with Urza and Xantcha's journey to Equilor. Make an actual Urza planeswalker card and a Xantcha card that isn't the exact opposite of what she's about while you're at it, too.
>>97186682that part I got but it HAS to go deeperwait I got it. it's funny because the author is japanese and japan got nuked
>>97186742Oh that could be cool. Would there also be a set showcasing how fucked up the worlds the phyrexians chased him to became?
>>97186751Heh, nukes
>>97186761Probably that'd be part of the focus of the travelogue in the first place, as they're being hounded by Phyrexians through the whole journey.
TIL Japan plays Among Us
>>97186777Well I'm on board let's hope wizards does a hard pivot soon.
>>97186828why is Tezzeret brown
>>97186860Nobody has any fucking idea what Tezzeret's skin color is supposed to be
>>97186860Why not?
>>97186828is the joke that garruk wasn't in edge of eternities?
>>97186860Tezzeret has the least consistent depictions ever. He has grey hair and a metal arm and that's really it.
>>97186969Or that no one besides Tezzeret is because he got them all killed or ejected
say, what the minimum amount of lessons I can get away with in my deck to activate this?
>>97187021Honestly the avatar lessons are nothing like strixhaven’s and are largely pretty serviceable at their current CMC. Don’t see why you wouldn’t run shit like iroh’s demonstration.
>>97187021limited? constructed? on turn 2 or later?
>>97183472>nickel bolas
>>97187226Its Nicole and shes a woman
>This is a playable card in PremodernDo boomers really?
>>97187314What would a standard playable version look like?
>>97187226Sleepy time Bolas
>>97187216constructed hopefully turn 2, but 3 or 4 is serviceable
>>97187314This version could see play in reanimator decks as a way to get cards into the graveyard. The stander is 2 mana with unlimited discard outlet for greasefang.
>>97187314This card fills me with nostalgic joy. What a based design.
>>97187336We had one. It wasn't. Must be more like Questing Beast.
>>97187531This was never standard playable
>>97187531This one is more recent and saw some play in eternal lists as a sideboard to be fetched with Karn
>>97185672>The idea was that because most creature cards have two creature types, we could create an environment where players could pick and choose multiple creature types to focus on in a deck.>We assumed this would create a lot more options for deck building. A Goblin Rogue deck would function differently from a Goblin Warrior deck.>The criss-cross of species and class creature types made an impregnable web of complexity that drove away many players. It was so bad that when Matt Place and I discussed it, it inspired the idea of New World Order, a philosophy we adopted about simplifying commons to keep down complexity for less-enfranchised players.>Mfw the complex common cards were my favorite part of MorningtideMy favorite set out of the four was Morningtide because of how complex it was. Is this why we don't have any cool or unique tribal deck? Why do all my favorite mechanics get culled because new players find them too complex? If complexity is the enemy, I guess that explains why UG "play land, win game" and UR "play noncreature spell, win game" have been so dominant in the past 6 years.
>>97187021do you have the brapping version? asking for a friend
What's the name of that draft format where you play with 20-card decks?
>>97187336NuMasticore (3)Protection from Instants At the beggining of your upkeep, any opponent may discard a card and pay (1). If they do, tap NuMasticore and it deals 1 damage to any target.(2): NuMasticore gains hexproof and indestructible until end of turn.5/5
>>97187652Micro cube?
>>97187652Jumpstart
>>97187623Luckily for everyone all the cards designed for commander that have three abilities and 9 triggers that you have to track are not at all complicated thank you maro I will enjoy drafting green white put counter on thing for 15 years to come!
>>97184586>This card has no color.
Is there a way to track the use of "whenever" throughout Magic's history?I swear half of every magic card released now is "duhhh whenever X do Food!!"
>>97184533"only recently learned how to play" what is this cope, this slut has been playing as long as I have
>>97184533I think if you like vtubers you should be stoned to death.
>>97187314Yes. Yes it is. Turns out all you need is a phyrexian arena or some other draw engine and you're always up cards. Also never underestimate the ability to regenerate a creature. Many of the fast creatures and most tokens have 1 toughness so it's pretty good for that too. 4/4 for 4 is always solid anyways. >>97187356Looks like he's reading incest yoai again. >>97187448With reanimator you want to control when exactly you discard to either get out your creature asap or to navigate around graveyard hate. You usually want something like careful study or putrid imp. Pimp especially because you can dark ritual into it and then reanimate or exhume the haste creature you discarded immediately and swing for a lot of damage. Careful study because it helps you dig through your deck while fueling your reanimator at your discretion instead of having to way. And then you lotus petal into a dark ritual + exhume or reanimate. Both can be done on turn one. >>97184855Was originally an artifact ability. Pic related was a standard card in many unlimited/revised decks back in the day when people started to build decks instead of just playing the pile of all the cards they owned.
>>97186007whaddaya mean "newest". is that not his writer that he's had for years now
>>97184533Commander is not MTG. It doesn't matter what these mouth breathers or Nosewater says. It will never be MTG. Hell. Commander isn't even a game>https://vocaroo.com/1ihc21gJLBh1
>>97188050Then why everything revolves around it? Balance, art, card design, mechanics… Hell look at this schedule, this is the schedule for EVERY constructed format next year.Look at my in the eye and tell me this doesn’t look like Cummander schedule.
>>97188035>Looks like he's reading incest yoai again
>>97188077Universes beyond is being pushed because JotC believes it is good for their business model to spam other products to get simps for other franchises to buy their products. The schedule is there to make sure Hasbro makes as much money on the only one of their product lines that makes money. That's all its about. >Commander ScheduleCommander has been an official format since at least the beginning of 2012 as had already started influencing card design even then unfortunately. Nonetheless, that doesn't change the fact that commander is not MTG. It's not even a game. It's just D&D without any of the worldbuilding or storylines. Just three hours of conversation until someone """"wins.""""
>>97188127>it's not even a gameThis is the part I don't understand, elaborate on this please. The fact that it has the same cards and 99% of the same rules as 60 card isn't good enough to be considered a variation of the same game?
>>97188252Not that non, but It's not a strategy card game at that point, it's just playing politics. You activate the same cards and eventually just play kingmaker and one player wins.If I made a new Yugioh format where it was a 6 person free for all, the cards all did what they said, but I added a ton of new rules, and eventually one player just randomly wins, I don't think the average person would say "oh that person is playing Yugioh" they'd probably say "that person is using Yugioh cards and is playing something different".
>>97188252The 1% changes have massive repercussion on the way the game is played. Commander creatures are just Companion on steroid. Players start with 60 life total and there being 4 players inherently make any form of creature strategy impossible while promoting degenerate combo, and this is a total failure because even in Legacy creature beatdown is still a thing. Card effects get massive variance in commander compared to how they were initially designed, like Rhystic Study. Think about how bad powercreep is - it's still never nearly as dumb as whatever changes moving from any real format to Commander.The format is inherently never balanced and people just play it for the social aspect, because it doesn't matter how dumb it is they can blame wins and losses on non-game concept like "politics".
The worst part about commander is honestly the multiplayer aspect. If it had been a 1 v 1 format or had the rules been more carefully designed to allow balanced games of 1 v 1, I'd probably love it for the deck variation and different levels of play. I just genuinely hate the 4 player aspect of it because it makes me feel like my player agency is 3x lower and that my decisions don't matter because I can't meaningfully beat 3 players through skill alone. Oh, and I absolutely fucking despise having to "politick". I'm pretty sure I'm autistic and I really struggle to be convincing socially, so a game where there's an option to just shut up and cast spells is more my speed.
>>97188252It has arbitrary not even rule based restrictions on how you are allowed to win and what cards are acceptable based on the mood of your fellow players that day. This problem is alleviated if you play with a curated playgroup of non retarded people but that is sometimes hard to count on when it comes to magic. You can play 60 card formats just fine with literally any stranger who is invested in the game because there is a shared understanding of what the rules of the game are and more importantly what the ultimate objective is (winning). Commander lacks this community wide understanding and thus fails at being a game because the objective of it is completely ethereal.
>>97188293yeahI like duel commander a lot because of the 1v1 aspect
>>97188293yeah brawl is pretty fun
>>97188278>The format is inherently never balancedOn the contrary, Commander is always balanced by house rules/rule zero, which is one of the reasons why it's been so resilient to Wizard's bullshit.
>>97188339>rule zeroThis shit is really fucking retarded.>the game is balanced because there is a rule that says "please please please play fair please please please c'mon pleaseee be balanced pleaseeeeeeeeee"Epic.
>>97188339You can always go and try to "balance" a format with your little friend group playing any competitive format. People just don't do it, because they'd rather just make a new format like Premodern or Modern 2015.Whatever stuff your little group play isn't "balanced". It's just underplayed.
>>97188352It's retarded but it works.
>>97188355It really doesn't work at all which is why wizards had to invent brackets that also barely work.
>>97188262>Not that non, but It's not a strategy card game at that point, it's just playing politics. You activate the same cards and eventually just play kingmaker and one player wins.Have you never played a four-player board game?
>>97188362WoTC hasn't been able to balance a single format for about 5 years now (which is ironically when Play Design was introduced)
>it's a "coomander retard here to tell people why a game with no rule is actually better than a game with proper rule" episode
>>97188372Well there's a reason why the game with no rule overtook the game with proper rule.
>>97188339it really isn't you're basically just praying everyone is on the same page when you sit down with randoms (brackets did almost nothing to solve this) and if you're just house ruling stuff with friends at home than any format can be balanced and it doesn't matter in the first place
>>97188326>>97188321Like don't get me wrong I love the singleton 100 card deck idea. It's the perfect home for jank. Or it should be. In practice it fucking sucks. The high life totals the free commander throw it out of whack a lot when doing 1v1 because simply having a lower curve on your commander can make or break who wins. I genuinely think having minimum mana values for commanders could be a good idea. I like the idea of the commander as more like an ultimate or finisher than as your deck centerpiece.
>>97184235The horse serpent is probably a Each-uisge. I don't want them to retcon the kelpies or nuckelavee to horse serpents.
well, I got to mythic with this, so I'd say Ascension does have the potential to make a tier 1 deck.
post your face when you search your library for a card, put that card into your hand, then shuffle your library
>>97188564just because you got mythic with a deck doesn't mean it can be made tier 1
>>97176737The ultimate truth nuke that troongoyim aka /tg/ can't grasp is that premodern is by definition a grifter's and scalper paradise.
>>97188564People have made bots that hit mythic just be playing the leftmost playable card and swinging in every turn. It means nothing lol
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>>97188590>>97188600tell me what mythic number you want me to reach and I'll reach it
>>97185672>None of Morningtide's mechanics were loved.The shaman deck of early modern was all about the reveal top to find shaman. People who played shaman liked it. It was bad but doesn't mean people didn't like it. It was way better than clash.>>97185860>With hindsight Mark would have kept Shadowmoor's creatures in the same colors as Lorwyn.retarded ALERT ! RETARDED ALERT!>Wither was a solution to them wanting damage to be permanent but it slows down games.>Slow gamessure, if it is about putting the counters on the creatures, otherwise it just makes games quicker if you think of limited and kitchen table, those 2/10 treefolks stopped being an unbreakable wall to something that eventually would die down.>Mark Gottlieb came up with the untap mechanic.broken but cool mechanic.>He wants to bring back colors matter.then make creatures that ask for specific colors.
>>97188588>... and then I told him "That's what she said">*PFFFT*
>>97188643Just get out of the percentages lol
>>97186330>>97186400He is smart on not taking photos that shows both shoulders so sHe looks like an ugly woman >>97186624 would also look like an ugly ass woman if we couldn't fully see shoulder lengh.>>97186828It is ok, oficial mtg stories have among us references.>>97187021you better play your lessons!
https://x.com/klug_alters/status/1998241171169280305eric klug recently posted this update of his peasant cubehowever when I google it all that comes up is a google doc with no changes made since the end of 2024does anyone know where I can get this current list?
>>97188564>62/60Kino well done anon i'm proud of you fuck the haters!!
>>97188643I don't know how to tell you this gently, but you can genuinely get mythic #1 with a tier 2 deck. a certain tranny vtuber got #1 mythic with Bant Airbending a week before Worlds, and that deck didn't make it to top 8 despite significant representation.if you get #1 mythic with the Firebending deck (in bo3 mind you, which is the real game), you will have proven that it is "viable". but not tier 1
>>97184533It's kinda funny because Kiara is an oldfag who knew nothing about EDH.
