Previous: >>97189707>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Gay Bolashttps://e621.net/posts?tags=nicol_bolas>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>Preconshttps://magicprecons.com>TQLink your favorite deck on this site. It will breakdown your deck's power level on different axis's. Tell us about what you are surprised about in the results or what you are not surprised about.https://commandersalt.com/
What decks would they play?
>>97197888>why is the lifegain player crying? just remove the enchantmentBecause with his etb doubler the chatterfang player made him lose 80 life.
>>97197938mono whitemardumono blackbant
how to have fun as aggro enjoyer in a pod full of control decks?
>>97197912>Link your favorite deck on this site. It will breakdown your deck's power level on different axis's. Tell us about what you are surprised about in the results or what you are not surprised about.Wow it really likes my Taii Wakeen deck. Says its a solid B3, power 6. I thought it would be a power 5, but I guess I can see why it likes it. It has the potential to draw a million cards, it has a Repercussion, amd obviously good interaction
https://moxfield.com/decks/i5bBudl97EyuMMCGjJPhgAAnyone got any suggestions for this deck? Are any of the cards in Considering a good fit?
>>97197938Jerry is probably EsperGeorge is rakdosElaine is orzhovKramer is gruul but he's also the guy that won't stop building mono red
>TQThis is the score my Axonil deck got, also a power 5
>>97198034All non basic lands are mountains, Jerry
>>97198048https://commandersalt.com/details/deck/cdaaff7688aeea734284bf0e15ab9ec0Bruh it rated my Ojer a 6. Ive had real bad luck with Ojer, I feel like this is the biggest personal miss for me. It also gave my Taii the 6 but that rating feels more reasonable. Ive been thinking about taking Ojer apart, maybe making a different commander with the cards but not sure.
>>97197912>Tell us about what you are surprised about in the results or what you are not surprised about.>Upload deck>Worldgorger Dragon>Jin-Gitaxis, Core-Auger>Better stompy synergy than draw (doesn't list combo)lmao
>>97197912>TQ>power 3 / bracket 1>power 3 / bracket 2>power 4 / bracket 2 x2>power 7 / bracket 3I might have one deck that's slightly stronger than the rest
>>97198048it says none of my decks are past 3
>>97197912>tqNo. I will not do that.
So is this like white weenie deck? Reanimator? Lifegain? What the fuck does this deck even do??? Ugh I'm lost!
>>97198104Classic poopdickschizo post
>>97197912Is the robot right?https://moxfield.com/decks/v0aD8Y8dvkyjwZI4sl7dLA
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97198133Im on the case
>>97198114You run whatever the fuck Izzet archetype you want, except you've got a mana dork on the command zone.Or you Traumatize yourself to deal 30 damage to everyone on attack.
>>97197912I love it when commandersalt says my deck is bracket 2 but edhpowerlevel says its 8.0
It just keeps looking at me, begging me to play it. Whats a deck I should build with it?
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>>97198133In the fine print it gave you a 3.9 but appears to have rounded down. Idk why its presuming bracket 1 as a baseline. That list looks line fun but you don't really have wincons and you are hyper synergized around a 5 cost commander. So if your commander is removed you may be somewhat dead in the water.
>>97198068>>97197912Elaborating.I do like the idea of the site, and the further bracket categorization, but some of the comparisons make no sense.Take pic related for example. I understand that efficiency is grouped for shit like fast mana and ramp. How much does focusing more heavily on playing low-to-the-ground hurt a deck's score? A lot of decks don't need to run a high amount of mana acceleration since those can end up being dead draws. What exactly is "win cons" either? If I have two combos I can consistently pull off (even ignoring that the site seems to think Worldgorger is a stompy card and doesn't seem to know about Animate Dead), how does that compare to a deck that's being stuffed with random combos but little consistency? What exactly is "Synergy" anyway?It's a cute site, but I'm probably not going to take it to heart.
>>97198048This fucking site says I'm a fucking 7 because my shitty Mono Red Deck has cEDH staples and I run Gamble and Redirect Lightning.
>>97198191There's an alternate wincon of dazzling theater + monument of oketra + whitemane lion at the end of turn thanks for the (you)
>>97197912>TQMy Eldrazi deck scored an 8.5, which kinda surprises me. I don't have any 2 card bullshit in it.
>>97197912https://moxfield.com/decks/rtzvQHNjrUGX5uRPl_22-QIts the one deck I'm tempted to keep, but I'm done with magic
>>97198203Definitely take it with skepticismIve ran several decks through it and I think its relatively accurate at rating them, but it doesn't see everything
>>97198225And I forgot the pic.
>>97198214Post the deck.
>>97198203Does this answer any of your questions?https://files.catbox.moe/0ca4h3.svg>doesn't seem to know about Animate DeadBased on the FAQ, that's because he doesn't want to program every card in manually.>No crowd sourced data, such as the Scryfall tagger>No card specific logic: there isn't code that says "Assassin's Trophy is removal">Automatic card lookups and parsing. This allows the site to utilize cards as soon as they come out without me having to manually add them to the system
>>97198034>>97198049
>>97198114Classic poopdickschizo post
>>97198305lmao
>>97197912https://commandersalt.com/details/deck/e1fd2b8ba5bb9d5f978bc95d6ffea122He's still got it.
>>97198357>guy named Arcanis the Omnipotent>some sort of planeswalker or energy being coming from places beyond the world that nobody has went to before>has nothing better to do then beat the shit out of randos in an Otarian colosseum for moneyi never understood this guy
>>97198284>because he doesn't want to program every card in manually.I guess, but I don't have the combos.js so I can't say, which is weird to me, because it reads Thassa's Oracle and Doomsday as a combo, but not Animate Dead schenanigans, even though it's existed for a lot longer, which makes me really want to see what's in the file right now (if only to see what else might be in there).
>>97198278Minor disclosure, the Divining Top is getting swapped for a Cathartic Pyre. Thought it'd be a cute addition but the deck doesn't shuffle enough to be useful.I feel like it's throwing a fit over the Lotus Petal, Gamble, and WoF, but those card's aren't exactly breaking anything in this deck.
>>97198371>has nothing better to do then beat the shit out of randos in an Otarian colosseum for moneyEven all-powerful beings have hobbies
>>97198371Arcanis just wants to throw hands sometimes. He's just waiting for Jodah to show up so he can beat his ass too.
Would this be considered pubstompy?
>>97198517>infinites: 9Stop that.
>>97198529but anon it's so fun and smart and the game has to end and you just have to have it
>>97198114It is comical that you cannot comprehend the guy was asking for unique ways to play the deck rather than asking what the standard edhrec strat is>THERE'S NOTHING ELSE YOU CAN DOI've seen you guys say that and then seen people prove you wrong.
>>97198357Arcanis is so cool I wish I had a foil copy of him.
>>97197458throes of chaos
>Dude plays his commander, Niv-mizzet >Puts some aura on it like curiosity, but not, then equips swift foot boots>"Okay, if anyone plays an instant, sorcery, or if I draw a card, I go infinite." and passes>Anim Pakal player looks at their hand, "welp, guess I gotta do this then. Grand abolisherr. Reactions? No, okay cather's crusade and with my Mondrak out already, I'll go ahead and swing my commander at the niv player and make 22gnomes, which are 23/23s for lethat">Niv player seethes that he showed his hand and forced a reaction and cost him the game.When will combotards learn.
>>97198677>showed his handWhat do you mean by this? Everyone with eyes could have read his cards that were on the battlefield and figured this out. There was no hidden information here.
>>97198546Spitball some of those "different" ways to build it nigga. Cmon I want to hear your brilliant ideas.
>>97198708Because he put himself in a situation where he was 99.99% of the way there and acted like he'd won.What kind of Niv player sets up the Curiosity Combo and doesnt have a cheap instant/sorcery to just end the game right there? Dude was a complete retard
>>97198371Might've been there to witness the Karona ascension.
>>97198677He didn't show his hand right here, he just played like a retard. If the combo needs someone to cast an instant or sorcery or for him to draw a card, he should have went in there prepared to DO THE THING THAT STARTS THE COMBO
>>97198729Karona was so retarded everyone just pretended it didn't happen, so that doesn't mean much.
>>97198730>He didn't show his hand right here,I didn't mean literally showed his hand, but yes, don't show your combo until it will go off.
>>97198677I mean dude if there was a player with 22 23/23s in the field it didn't matter what he'd do, barring Cyclonic Rift or similar he was going to kill everyone next turn
>>97198708>>97198730>"Show your hand" - idiom: To allow people to know about intentions that you had previously kept secret:You ESL jeets need to fuck off this site.
people here bragging about winning too much should be throwing games more or king making more often.the bracket rules state that your deck by intent and not just the cards, can change the bracket it is played atand those people who built their 3 or 4 and never lose a game with their friends should be throwing or king making those games to stay within the rulesthe alternative is that you are lying or cheating your friends to bad games
>>97198799>people here bragging about winning too much should be throwing games more or king making more often.I just bust out one of my shitpiles if Im winning too much
i wanna do stompy with one of the kamahldo i do fist with subtheme of fucking with peoples lands or partner heart for gruul/naya for just more generic one?
>>97198814>stomp few games>then play jank that does nothingI'm sure everyone strives to have you on their table
>>97198799the system is designed it for people to be able to reasonably express what to expect from a given game, not to simulate every possible outcome of it
>>97198814>Make a shitpile>Pilot it well and understand how it works because I'm not a mouthbreather>Still walk all over Goodstuff.dec tards who just windmill slam EDHREC pilesIt's a weird feeling
>>97198799The intent of *deckbuilding* matters, not the intent of playing, because the latter is impossible to evaluate. You cannot calculate or account for the skill of the player when judging the quality of a deck.
>>97198814>Regular pod can't handle my 4s, despite they are also 4s.>Build 3s>They still can't handle them>Use slightly upgraded precons>They still can't handle themI honestly don't know how much more shit my piles can get.
>>97198677>Puts some aura on it like curiosity, but not,This?
>>97198864This one is combat damage, so it wouldn't work. He's probably referring to Ophidian Eye.
>>97198854>You cannot calculate or account for the skill of the player when judging the quality of a deck.God, this has been something I've been struggling with recently.I don't play super oppressive, combo-centric, or unfair decks, but alot of people at my LGS make me look like some sort of big brain gigachad because my memepile actually has synergies, interactions, and ways to win outside of my Commander.Theres like 2-3 people at my store who are playing the Naya Toph and it's insane how absolutely fucked they get when I instantly remove Toph and suddenly their deck doesn't work.This community has such a massive problem with actually learning the core fundamentals of Magic. Everyone just thinks none of their cards will ever be messed with
>>97198879>This community has such a massive problem with actually learning the core fundamentals of Magic.Used to be that you started with 60-card and graduated to EDH. Now you have clowns starting with EDH and never learning the value of interaction.
I'm still waiting braniac
>>97198864Wraith bros... Why isn't the deck any good?
>>97198944For the same reason my Brigone deck sucks shit...
>>97198864Think it was this. Which makes his play pattern even less logical now that I'm looking at it, because he could have just played his commander and waited for an instant to be played.
>he runs generous giftCare to explain?
Erinis/Street Urchin, I think I forgot to put in a Wincon, how can I make this less reliant on Erinnis? More multi land drops per turn?
>>97198962its funny because an elephant is not generous at all
>>97198969https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_elephant
>>97198964Just slap like a combo or sum in there lil bro
>>97198969I think it was the persians, but some old empire used to gift elephants. Which seemed, at first a wonderous gift, but the actual cost to feed and house an elephant is enormous and could bankrupt lesser lords because it was such a taboo to give away or get rid of a gift.
>>97198929Niagara, he doesn't have to prove shit, you just have brainworms that drive you to ritual post in a fucking pathetic way. Did it really crawl up you ass , the notion that someone might seek alternative ways to play a commander? Take your fucking meds. >inb4 you become even more obnoxious with your ritual shitposting.
>>97198962Hit anything.
>>97197912Not sure what cranks up the salt on this thing but stax, removal, and MLD sure doesn't seem to do it.
>>97198991It was specifically white elephants, and it still happened all the way to the 19th century; it entered Western vocabulary because P. T Barnum wanted a white elephant for his shows, got it from a noble in Burma, and quickly realized exactly why he got it for so cheap.The thing is that you were usually given it by some king or ruler, and it was a sign of their favour but also a curse since, as you said, they were enormously expensive to mantain and couldn't even be put to work because they were very sensitive and sacred; but you couldn't also let them die, because then you'd be spitting on the king's generosity.
>>97198964Your deck seems a lot more expensive than minehttps://moxfield.com/decks/tbm6BZ1BTUunht7jrHHBgQ
>>97198999>heKek cope. Nice digits though
why don't i see it more often?
>>97198821Fist of Krosa + board wipes all day.
>>97198944Because it's slop.>>97199045The effect is mediocre when you can just run Bala Ged Recovery.
>>97199045I tried it, didn't work
>>971990458 mana to recur one thing to hand isnt a great rate
>>97199045Because spending 8 specifically on spells during a single turn is a whole fucking lot to ask for. He'll only start returning stuff at the end of the game and until then? He's an okayish mana dork.
>>97199043No girls exist on the internet, only femboys and trannies.
>>97199045I would rather run regrowth
>>971990452 cmc dorks that dont produce >=2 mana are just reeeaaaally shit
>>97199087I like 2 cmc dorks that make just one mans if they have a better additional effect.
How does myriad work with vehicles? Do they enter as creatures as if they were crewed?
>>97199129You get a tapped, uncrewed, nnn-creature copy of the vehicle that gets sacced at the end of turn
>>97199129you copy the creature, not the card
>>97199121i had him in my Tayam deck for the expendable counters to remove, then this lil retard required me to exile fine shit from my own graveyard a bit too often
I aint even gonna lie to yall bludsRootrider faun boutta get me finna acting up...
>TQAssessment seems a little off. It marked my theft deck as a D+ for interaction which it's actually one of my most interactive decks.Doesn't seem to understand that even though it's Aristocrats, I'm sacrificing my opponents creatures instead of my own.
>>97199129>707.2: When copying an object, the copy acquires the copiable values of the original object's characteristics and, for an object on the stack, choices made when casting or activating it (mode, targets, the value of X, whether it was kicked, how it will affect multiple targets, and so on). The copiable values are the values derived from the text printed on the object (that text being name, mana cost, color indicator, card type, subtype, supertype, rules text, power, toughness, and/or loyalty), as modified by other copy effects, by its face-down status, and by "as . . . enters the battlefield" and "as . . . is turned face up" abilities that set power and toughness (and may also set additional characteristics). Other effects (including type-changing and text-changing effects), status, counters, and stickers are not copied.>Example: Chimeric Staff is an artifact that reads, "{X}: Chimeric Staff becomes an X/X artifact creature until end of turn." Clone is a creature that reads, "You may have Clone enter the battlefield as a copy of any creature on the battlefield." After a Staff has become a 5/5 artifact creature, a Clone enters the battlefield as a copy of it. The Clone is an artifact, not a 5/5 artifact creature. (The copy has the Staff's ability, however, and will become a creature if that ability is activated.)>506.3a: If an effect would put a noncreature permanent onto the battlefield attacking or blocking, the permanent does enter the battlefield but it's never considered to be an attacking or blocking permanent.
What is the most fun and Commander and Deck you got?
Been a while since I've seen any HOW2s get posted. These were my favorite part of lurking here
>>97198883Ya know, it's funny.As someone who started with EDH, and who's still pretty much a greenhorn in Magic as I only started in 2017, I will insist that the blame for all the retardation in the format solely falls on the community itself, particularly Reddit and Youtube, as opposed to the format.These idiots have fostered an absolutely abhorrent philosophy for EDH, leading new players into one of three flavors of stupidity:>If anyone touches my stuff or stops me, they're a mean stinky doodoo head>I need to spend a bajillion dollars for my deck to be good>I need to play the most broken, degenerate paint by numbers cEDH slop because that's Real Magic tm.Nobody wants to sit down and help these players understand interaction, card advantage, mana curve, color distribution, etc. Nobody wants to try and preach/teach new players introspection and critical thinking. That's too hard.Want to know the first thing I do after a game of Commander? I take a 5 minute break to think about the game, my deck, and my play.>Did that card I thought I liked live up to expectations?>Dang, GY hate kinda screws me, anything I can do about that?>Did I evaluate the board and Known Information to the best of my ability?And nevermind the fact that sometimes you just have to shrug and say you got unlucky and that by the intrinsic factor of RNG, you cannot win every game.But now you just have the blind leading the blind, because new players either get taught the game by whiny Reddit babies or cEDH sweatlords who are too chickenshit for Legacy.
>>97198981So far I've got Perilous Forays + Land drop Token (Scute Swarm, Nesting Dragon, Omnath) + Land drop Mana (Lotus Cobra, Provisioner, Spelunking) combo, pulling in all basic lands in a turn, which isn't a game winner except Omnath can do (Basic Lands in library x 3) damage which might kill a player. If I've got Black Blade / Tarrian / SkyClave equipped could be enough for lethal but now I'm also looking at it and I don't have any trample enablers.>>97199038Price for mine just comes from Scapeshift and Traveling Chocobo which are $90 together. Yours seems a lot more steal stuff and sac it, I've got another deck for that but how does your deck win?
>>97199181Try again
>>97199045Because Expend fucking sucks. The fact that it's only on spell casts and not abilities, or that it's not somewhat "cumulative" makes it a hilariously weak mechanic.
>>97199187You mean like this?
>>97199218There was a deck for Nazahn that ran him primarily as a Spy Kit tutor and was deceptively powerful because you could stuff your deck full of all the tutors that let you fetch copies of duplicate creature, which are hilariously cheap because EDH is singleton.
>>97199218Fuck yes I've missed these. Got a good laugh out of that, just fuck someone out of every creature in their deck>>97199226>>97199233Keep em coming, I had a whole archive before I stopped lurking here around 2022
>>97199253That's all I've got, they take fucking forever to make with the cut out text method. Like literal hours.
is first doctor + amy pond the most number of cards you can have (virtually) in the command zone or is there a partner + companion combo that can push it out?
>>97199257I just use scryfall and search up the words I want to use and windows+ctrl+s and paste all in one paint file. When did you start saving them?
>>97199230That's pretty funny, could make a pretty good blink toolbox deck with that
>>97197912God this site is absolute misery to use now
>>97199326Chuckled.
>>97199188>Nobody wants to sit down and help these players understand interaction, card advantage, mana curve, color distribution, etc.Those are things that you don't have to be sat down to understand in 60-card. 1v1 games with more consistent decks teach you those things simply through play, compared to 4-way free-for-all with wildly inconsistent decks. The number of games you can play without seeing a given card that's in your deck makes it inherently more difficult to evaluate how a given change impacts the deck's performance, and the fact that a less threatening board state will lead to your opponents focusing on each other rather than you prevents you from realizing exactly how ineffectual your deck might be.
Working on some card proxies for an ATHF theme deck. Someone here suggested Grim Lavamancer for Frylock and it worked really well, I filtered Birthday Snake through sloppa and got pic rel.I'm looking to make a second card for frylock using Joshua, Phoenix's Dominant as the template.Any suggestions for some scenes I should use?
>>97199326Fuck me, that's good.
>>97199326I don't get it
>>97199349Malfegor for Shake, just because one with nothing isn't a creature>>97199326Jejeje
