Smothered by the Greentide Edition>Resources:WFB: https://pastebin.com/qVGrgwwhWM: https://pastebin.com/EsDAgebaWFRP: https://pastebin.com/inbyBsR6Novels: https://pastebin.com/PFqPDr0H>TOW:https://gofile.io/d/fxFgXShttps://www.warhammer-community.com/the-old-world-downloads/>Warhammer Chronicles:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/0xt777 (dot) zip>Time of Legends:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/q46ut6 (dot) zip>The End Times:https://files (dot) catbox (dot) moe/j7d0t5 (dot) zip>Alternative Models:https://pastebin.com/xPeM9szL>Previous thread>>97182466>TQ:No traditional TQ this time. Tell us about /Your Dudes/, anon. Which faction (be it pre-established or your own) do they represent, and where are they from?
What are the latest rumours and speculations on the upcoming FAQ? What are your hopes and expectations? Just yesterday I learned that you could get unnatural fortitude on chaos lords if you buy them a magic light armour, after which you can then plop them on a dragon and get them up to toughness 7. I reckon the rules writers didn't have that interaction in mind, so maybe they'll restrict the trait to infantry and cavalry only.
I hope the FAQ update addresses the cults because they bad. I'd rather go back to marks again if possible.
>>97200859>TQAll hail clan Skub!
Asking for advise again since tourney is happening a couple days from now. Hello /wfg/TW Shogun 2 got me into TWH and TWH got me into TOW. Every passing day I invest into this beautiful hobby is another day I feel disgusted at how shit baf age of shitmar is. 40k and HH are very acceptable but inferior to both WHFB/TOW and Bolt Action.I'll be participating at a 2v2 tournament a couple weeks from now. I play Bretonnia and tested a Errantry crusade list last week against CathayFucking ballon melts down at the sight of my 10 unit lance:8x KOTR, no champion. War banner1x Paladin Crusader's tapestry and Crusader's clarion1x Baron Ogre blade, V of Knightly temper8x potential wounds from the baron plus d3 MW in case I charge into monsters, gyrocopters or shit like that4 potential wounds from paladin14 potential wounds from KOTR because of frenzy7 potential wounds from warhorses at +1 SAlso a gorillion combat res points because of 2 BSB's and first charge.To this I add 5 Knights errant because I am forced to and 5 Grail Knights because not using grail knights is for people who don't change the batteries on smoke detectors.This is obviously al 1000 points list.Any advise? I mean I could swap the grail knights for Elisse duchaard and buff the main lance with +5/+6 regeneration and +1s +1 AP. My mate is playing Exiles so we're also gonna have a mounted Outcast mage that could join my main lance and oaken shield them, so this I get to keep my grail knightshonestly this fucking shit is fun as fuck and I wanna start a greenskins army next
>>97200859I'm slowly working on my retro chaos army. After finishing 1k of renegade crowns, painting Nurgle feels so relaxing. I just wish there was a good plague drone proxy
>>97200859would you guys buy oldhammer-ified versions of newer designs?
>>97201024Incredibly kino>>97201039>>97201048Huge fan of both real oldhammer and faux warhammer. So much character in the sculpts.
>>97201048I would love if the chorfs had proper hats like on far right
>>97201038So it's 2 Brets together? You may not need Elise as that's a fat lot of points, magic isn't some iwin button these days so the outcast wizard might be enough. If you can get a minor wizard it might help but otherwise keep the Grail knights.
>>97201048I'm considering picking these up, would just save on getting the FW ones shipped and arguably the FW ones were a little too large. Would have to swap out the weapons but I've got the drogre maces and other bits.
They really should add vampires as a core faction.>But the Vampire Wars are over!Okay, fair enough, there is no significant involvement of vampires in any major conflict in the Empire and Bretonnia before the 26th century. But there's nothing that says no wars over in the Dark Lands and Grand Cathay involved vampire belligerents. There isn't a problem there.
>>97201434fluff isn't the reason why they're excludedcompetition with the sales of tomb kings and the sales of soulblight in aos is the reason
>>97201024Sovl. Could use some more shading thoughbeit
>>97201048Insane how much the proper hats and weapons on the far right instantly fix the model
>>97201452>competition with the sales of tomb kingswhat>and the sales of soulblight in aos is the reasonI see. What about Gloomspite Gitz, Darkoath and Slaves to Darkness
>>97201506>Gloomspite GitzYou'll notice Night Goblins are deemphasised.>Darkoath Nobody wants those lmao>Slaves to DarknessUnavoidable, Warriors of Chaos was always the most popular Fantasy army. It's no surprise that they're the first to get updated.
>>97201452That's like saying beastmen compete with chaos marauders coz they're both chaos chaff
>>97201452Just relaunch them as Vampire Coast and it's close enough. Did Cathay fend off an undead pirate invasion while Asavar Kul was rolling through Kislev? I say yes.
>>97201506>whatpart of the reason why tomb kings were always selling somewhat poorly back in fantasy was that right next to them there were vampire counts with a range of undead that was consistently larger, more up to date, and stronger rulewise, and so newcomers looking to play some skeletons were simply funneled into vampire counts.
>>97201530beastmen do compete with the other chaos army, and it's a competition they've historically lost more often than not
>>97201528>You'll notice Night Goblins are deemphasised.Not just Night Goblins. There's a single squig model you can buy for TOW and it's the night goblin boss resin kit. And no spider riders or arachnorak either. Only metal trolls, no stone or river trolls.>Warriors of Chaos was always the most popular Fantasy armyTrue, definitely. But Vampire Counts has always been a top 3-5 army as well. If we talk pure economics with zero logistical friction, it should also fall in the "unavoidable" camp.I think my point here is that we are trying to find logic in pure madness when the real answer is there is none. Vampires are definitely being added at some point, but what they look like remains to be seen.
>>97201506>What about Gloomspite Gitz, Darkoath and Slaves to DarknessI believe gw is going to diverge and specialise regarding thoseaos gets chaos warriors with trim hell, god-marked stuff, and conan barbarianstow gets bare-plated warriors, only chaos undivided, and norscan aestheticsaos gets night goblins and sun goblins and iron orcs and swamp orcstow gets normal goblins only and normal orcs only, eventually cutting off the old savage/forest/night/black variants when they get to renew the range with brand new plastics
>>97201540>If we talk pure economics with zero logistical friction, it should also fall in the "unavoidable" camp.I mean, not really. There's a clear delineation in this case between #1 and potential #5. I believe VC will make it in one day, maybe even one day soon given that now the Soulblight range is pretty much all updated for AoS. But it's clear why they didn't make it in as a core launch faction.
>>97201532>and it's close enoughI disagree, vampire coast is a very different spin off, tomb kings are arguably closer to vampire counts than the vampire coast roster is, at least you have actual legions of skeletal undead instead of gunnery mobs, cannons and shit
>>97201559>But it's clear why they didn't make it in as a core launch faction.Apart from time / budget what else was there? If they truly had no intention of ever adding them there would not even be a legacy faction PDF. I think many people are reading too much into this competing model ranges when the entirety of TOW is almost nothing but. Even with the most recent example of new marauders being released. GW clearly doesn't care. Money is money. They just had to make a tough business decision to cut the TOW launch range in half due to logistical and other resource issues. Now that the game is proving to be actually worth it we'll see a slow rollout of legacies being reintroduced in a more official manner.
>>97201598>Apart from time / budget what else was there?AoS competition.
>>97201618Sure, but that's a logistical competition that every single GW game is competing in against each other. It's not TOW vs AoS because both are vaguely similarish fantasy games. It's TOW vs HH vs AoS vs Necromunda vs Kill Team vs 40k vs BB because they can only produce so many plastic sprues and 40k is going to get priority over all of them.
>>97201648>TOW vs HH vs AoS vs Necromunda vs Kill Team vs 40k vs BBTo a degree, but the competition between TOW and AoS is much closer. You're not going to by HH models to pay TOW, you might buy AoS ones..
>>97201488Agreed, GW need to just stop being wankers and letting their individual designers put their hyper-unique stamp on everything Classics are classics for a reason
hello i like warhammer fabtasy i will never have a fully painted army
>>97201535And looked better and fit the aesthetics of the setting more and had more interesting playstyle and had much bigger potential for conversions and you could impress goth chicks and...
>>97201048Maybe, but for any kind of Dwarf specifically no. "Short king" proportions work fine for 40K Squats or whatever they're fucking called because they're literally meant to be short humans, but Dwarfs are a different race entirely and they should look like it. Oldhammer proportions for Dwarfs are a core part of the appeal, it's why despite being a massive fucking Dwarf nerd I have zero interest in or excitement about any potential new minis from TOW.
I put in some more effort into painting my White Lion mini I posted earlier.Do you guys like the Shading on the armor?
>>97201648Isn't it more Specialist games vs the mainline Studio so TOW, HH, BB, Necromunda, LI vs 40K, AoS, Kill Team, Warcry, Underworlds and WHQ?
>>97201759>you could impress goth chicksanon you played VtM for that, not Wargames
>>97201759debatable on may of those fronts
>>97201772I think maybe in terms of staff, sure. TOW has poached a lot of the AoS sculptors who made all the recent AoS models that were actually well received. But to the factory producing the plastics it's one and the same. They are only manufacturing what they are told to manufacture.
>>97201765it looks very good jigga. like good good my nigga fr
Now that I finally got it, I wonder what to do with the poorly glued, wrong based, second hand Orc Warboss I got.Give him away?
>>97201802tear off the base, if a foot breaks, give it a peg legand then he goes onto a chariot pulled by something fancy, like a winged pig
>>97201802You restore it. Why else did you buy it then.
>>97201734Not with that attitude
>>97201802Anon its ORCSJust take one more boss to the fight. Give him different axe and helmet and it will be daijobu.
>>97201846im a slow painter anon and i always get distracted by other projects. i average like 2-4 minis a month
>>97201897I'm not great at math but by my estimate 2-4 minis is a vastly superior number to 0.
>>97201795>TOW has poached a lot of the AoS sculptorsReally? I only heard about the one guy who made the new zombie dragon.
>>97201942They made a big deal out but for some reason it was only quietly mentioned how the guy who made the new AoS Warriors of Chaos minis also moved to the TOW team. And there were some others but I don't think it was ever specified what they had worked on.
>>97201816Lack of patience and thinking 1. The orc command was RIP2. The second hand orc wouldnt be misbased or badly glued. >>97201811Sounds like a plan.>>97201848Damn, ya I will do that
>>97201048I would not; neither the oldhammer looks, nor the new AoS stuff.I'd much rather have what Creative Assembly showed, a synthesis between 4th edition and 8th edition Chorfs
>>97201975I am not that anon, but this does not bode well. I don't like the direction AoS imposed on chaos as an army (be it undivided or mono-god) and I certainly don't like what they've been doing to chaos warriors specifically. It seems as though every time GW releases new chaos models they keep straying further and further from the ideal chaos warrior aesthetic (3rd ed metals for characters, 4th ed metals for front rank/command squad, 5th ed plastic for rank and file) and getting bogged down in the 2002-2004 chaos knight/warrior aesthetic. That's not to say the 02 and 04 knights/warriors were bad, but it's sad that they've just been re-iterating that same design language for almost 24 years now. It's not like that's going to change based on the depictions of chaos warriors in TOW's art, but it's still no good, man. It would have been nice to return to a more 3rd ed inspired look. They could have done it if they actually bothered to run MTOs worth a damn.
>>97201038>tourneyshitter>TWH got me into TOWThe jokes just write themselves
>>97202057look at that 6 fingered ai slop
>>97202062Genuinely WHFB has been lost due to people like him. It's like the western world has two thousand years of lore and prestige just to have it all thrown away by flooding it with third worlders, WHFB has been forever ruined by being flooded with TWW and Nuhammer fans. It's simply irrecoverable at this point. Your only hope of having a sincere Warhammer Fantasy experience these days is to find a small group of grogs who still carry the flame, or have some kids and raise them playing Mordheim and Warhammer Quest with you. Warhammer has fallen.
>>97202090I sincerely hope you're being ironic, anon. That image is taken straight out of Realm of Chaos: The Lost and the Damned, on page 51. You can go check it out for yourself, it's in the OP. He's been mutated by Tzeentch to have six fingers.
>>97202112If you live in Europe it's really easy to find games of 6th. Last weekend at my LGS there was a table playing 6th (us), another playing 7th and another playing 8th. Still haven't played TOW and never will.
>>97202112we are Grognard Blanche we carry the flame well fight for warhammer well honour the game
>>97202163>Still haven't played TOW and never will.You should. It's good.
>>97202163You simply don't understand. Even playing games of 6th, the problem is the mentality that has seeped into the hobby. Even games of 6th, if you are playing at an LGS you are guaranteed to be spoiled by the pervasive influence on the mind
>>97202176>posting tranime Genuinely what the purpose? It's off topic and no one is impressed, it makes us think less of you
>most hetero beastmen art.
>>97202165prefer Miller personally
>>97202057I would say that they arrived at the point where they could easily market it as a Chaos Warrior™, it simply took them a little longer than it did for Space Marines. A bit of a shame as you say, they've not strayed far from that design in 20 years.
>>97202057why would they return to a less popular aesthetic? you can tell whatever you want about the 6th ed basic bitch chaos warrior, but it became iconic from the get go.If anything, with TOW focusing on this toned down norscan view of chaos it's aos that should pick up the older inspirations to stay in line with the over the top setting, god-specific lines and demons
>>97202112I agree and I'm a turbo newfag who only caught the very end of 7th edition 40k. Everything after 4th edition 40k is a mixed bag at best or shit at worst, for Fantasy it is muddier but 7th seems to be a cutoff for a lot of things. I really wish I had been able to play it in it's prime because now I refuse to give GW money. The soul of Warhammer just isn't the same anymore. It's sanded down.
>most recent stats show cathay is more popular in Total War: Warhammer 3 than kislevI knew kislevtards were full of shit
Bros I need inspirado. I’m on E, nearing the end of wrapping up a 4th Army. It’s VC, and I have a black coach (using the new AOS model as it is awesome) to finish. But blocking my way is a blood knight banner from the new GW blood knight kit. I absolutely suck/loathe painting textured banners. I still have PTSD from trying to do sails on Dreadfleet back in the day. Any tips advice welcome. Picrel is a unit of grave guard from said army. Love these models bros.Boss I’m tired.
>>97202954>stats >popular >Total WarYour post is single handedly proving this anon right >>97202112
>>97202954Funny because neither fit the warhammer aesthetic and are way too high fantasy
Why do none of these models have sculpted nipples. I don’t mind if the guys are shirtless, but at least have the decent of giving them their nipples.
>>97202957>I absolutely suck/loathe painting textured banners. explain
>>97202986Old Kislev was fine
>>97203053Yeah. They really made them gay for the game though. Too much magic shit and bears.
>>97203053>>97202986This. Warhammer Fantasy had a unique aesthetic because it was historically grounded, with fantastical embellishment. Empire being Holy Roman Empire, Bretonnia being high medieval western Europe, etc. They need to stick to the Cossack aesthetic for Kislev, like the OG Kislev had, with some fantasy embellishment (not overdone) like some occasional BROWN bears. Problem is the millennials that have taken over Games Workshop from its actual creators don't understand what made Warhammer cool. Look at Cathay, it's so out of touch with OG Warhammer and instead takes it's inspiration from a millennial videogamified version of China instead of going historical China with some fantastical embellishment. Look at nuKislev shit, it's all overdone ice and polar bear moriffs. Why the hell are there polar bears in a Slavic inspired setting? It is retarded and makes no sense .
>>97203152>Look at Cathay, it's so out of touch with OG Warhammer and instead takes it's inspiration from a millennial videogamified version of ChinaI bet you're saying that without having any specific gripe with the models themselves and would have said that regardless of the designs they chose for cathay simply because it's hip to shit on new shit, and china shit.
>>97203189>I bet Do you usually bet on your baseless assumptions? Take your meds
>>97203152Cathay is mostly fine, it just suffers from being a bit death by committee design if Cathay was designed in the 90s it would have been some noen lit Qing-inspired thing like Big Trouble in Little China mixed with Mortal Kombat/Shadow Warrior.The current design works but is lacking in something
>>972026837th core is just 6th with a few houserules some good some bad(which to my mind always leads to the conclusion "so just play 6th with the good ones then"), but the 7th army books are objectively the beginning of the end for WHFB. The balance was so terrible it drove away everyone but the stankiest sweatlord tourneyshitters, you could call many games before even a single model had reached the table purely on the basis of which factions were involved. Loads of people just walked away or went back to 6th and even those who kept playing 7th often shelved plans to expand their armies or start new ones, and that drop in sales is what prompted Kirby to decide to radically change the IP and have 8th edition written as a money extraction machine to maximally drain all the remaining paypigs before blowing everything up with ET.
>>97203152>Why the hell are there polar bears in a Slavic inspired setting?because it goes well with the winter colour, theming and basing schemes.
>>97203199No, it's a figure of speech, I was inviting you to explain your historically-based gripes with the cathay models.
>>97203215No it doesn't, that model looks way better when it's painted brown
>>97203238let's agree to disagree here
>>97203237>posts AoS models
>>97203015Textured banners, probably not the best term, but I’m talking about plastic or resin (or metal) banners with an image already rendered in the material. The sails on the Dreadfleet ships for example - I have the same problem with them - a slightly raised texture from the material of the sail, of a skull or a sun or whatever, in the present case, it’s the banner from the new blood knight kit. The old banner from the old kit was just a flat plane - you could paint whatever you wanted on it, or use a transfer. This banner on the new kit is a dragon, a moon, a goblet, some scroll work, all BARELY raised above the surface of the “cloth” of the banner. I struggle so hard paining this shit and I saps all my motivation to keep moving forward. I’ve done it before… picrel is a conversion I did of the exact same banner for my 30k NL army.., it just really sucked and I’m having a hard time. Looking for advice.
>>97203237>I was invitingNo you weren't, you made a ridiculous baseless assumption and offered zero counter argument to the points I made
>>97201975Pretty sure you're making this up. Lying, misunderstanding, or misinformed. Would love to see any kind of a source for more than the one guy leaving.I love to see Shitmar fags fry, though, so I wish it were true.
>>97203238You don't even believe that bullshit yourself.
>general only gets activity when it’s about complaining Well sure, whatever.
>>97203290That's 4chan in a nutshell, at this point I believe the only people on this site are shill, terminally online spergs, and bots to bait engagement with site or product via outrage.
>>97203189They just look generic and were only included to attract the bugmen. Cathay as an entire faction just feels hamfisted - like it doesn't belong. As in they were never really relevant except for passing mentions that they existed but had almost zero impact on the setting, but GW thought they could horn in on the Chinese market. The aesthetics almost feel like WoW for them, same with modern Kislev
Do any of you guys know of an air ship miniature that’s in scale with the Dwarves? I feel like it’d be a fun project to have the ship my dudes get around in, but don’t necessarily just want to buy a KO one and call it a day.
>>97203357Archon has one.i would scratchbuild it desu
I think the only real problem with Cathay is the top knots and the helm tassles that look like top knots. Their armor and weapons are decently representative of historical paintings and depictions of old China, except for their stupid hair cuts.
>>97203357There's a plethora of printshit offerings, but, well, they're printshit. I know that wizkids has a blimp or two but they're wizkids quality, so bad. Instead I'd consider buying a 28mm ship - like a sailing ship - and slapping on a blimp balloon. Reaper has a full-size pirate ship to scale but it might be a little too big for you. Maybe one of those historical scale replicas of a real galleon, then paper mache over a soda bottle for the gondola? As a disclaimer I've had a KO ship sitting in a box for years that I thought I could convert into a wooden dwarf blimp, so there's my level of backbone. >>97203152Goddamn I love foundry.
>>97203378>>97203433I’ve got a legit boomer model shoo that opened near me recently, I’ll check if they have any old ships in scale.
>>97200859>TQ:>No traditional TQ this time. Tell us about /Your Dudes/My dudes are the Horned Moon Kin, beastmen who revere the twisted moon of Morrslieb, they come from the Hochgran Woodlands, a dense forest to the east of the Empire, bordering the frigid lands of Kislev.Here's also a link to a more detailed pdf of my dude's fluff>https://files.catbox.moe/6evq8e.pdf
cathay models blow every old grognard shit out of the water.
>>97203477Do you ever play games or just weird fetish dioramas?
I hope when skaven come back, they're less clothed and are more furry to differentiate themselves fro aos skaven.
>>97203577I accept the trade deal, when can we transact?
>>97203477Should have used this girl
The TOW RPG Starter Set/GM Screen are out if anyone wanted those
>>97203630Just play Warhammer Quest (1995) like a man
>>97203630The new map they made which C7 made, the river is too small.
>>97203630>shipping Q2 2026shoo shoo goblin shill
>>97203648a bigger version
>>97203667Then don't buy it just wait for the pastbin anon to put it into the pastebin.
>>97202183>nogames making excuses pathetic>>97202192you are on an anime website faggot, fuck off back to r*ddit if you don't like it
>>97203570I do play games, here's one I had a little while back against Empire.Now DO YOU play any games Anon? You must be since you're playing Old World right?
>>97203696Here's also a pre-game picture of the army before deploying, I apologize for some being unpainted or still wip. Working on them, just very slowly.
>TQI'm working on an Empire army that will be the Electoral Guard for Aldebrand Ludenhof, stationed in Hergig Castle and the Ludenhof Palace outside of the city. It will accompany the Elector Count as his honour guard and elite regiment for whenever he has to travel through the Drakwald, or whenever he's om campaign against the Roo Ra's or other enemies of the state.I've built them to function around an elite regiment of buffed up halbeldiers, with handgun, greatsword *and* archer support, with two cannons in the back. Led by a general wielding a runefang. We shall see whether it works at all when I play a game, but I won't care that much if it's not meta.I wasn't able to paint a lot today, so here are some pants I worked on.>>97203477I still love them anon. I should share my dudes' fluff as well sometime, I gave every character (the heroes and the champions of the units) their own names and backgrounds.>>97203570>>97203616The duality of (the Empire of) Man.>>97203648>T*labeclandI would never
>>97203577your hopes are not coming true
>>97203720>I gave every character (the heroes and the champions of the units) their own names and backgrounds.Sounds dope, I should expand the fluff on the regular units, Bestigors, spawns, ghorgon,s minotaurs, etc myself to say why or how they are there and following the orders of my beastlord for some like ungors and the Razorgor (pic related) I have already done so for, and giving a unit champions and such a bit of personalty would be neat, but I got a lot on my plate at the moment so it isn't a priority.
>>97203472I'd get a drakkar, even if it's not perfectly in scale it will work
Never touched any fantasy book, but I was told to skip the first gotrek and felix book by one of my buddies, should I ignore him
I want to write little story snippets for my characters but basically I hit a wall with coming up the names. Turns out I'm really terrible at naming goblins.
>>97203917The one that's an anthology of the short stories? I don't see why. It's an anthology of short stories, reasonably fun. Gotrek and Felix is generally a much more lighthearted series, but as long as you're okay with that there first one isn't lower quality than it's followups. Some of the later ones do get rough though imo. Also a fun fact: if you read the first Gotrek and Felix book, you might see that the WFRP first edition book cover is actually an illustration from one of the stories in that anthology! I had no fucking idea that the cover was Gotrek and Felix, so try to spot the scene.
>>97203917Yeah, mainly because you should buy the first anthology to start and that starts with the first book. Some people don’t like short stories so I assume that’s why the first book is less liked, but the short stories are tied together somewhat. >>97203477Kino
>>97203917If your over the age of 15 you missed out on your opportunity in life to enjoy Warhammer novels
>97203753I haven't made a proper paper for them like that yet. I've saved the descriptions in a document primarily for myself, and I'll eventually print out some sheets to remember their stats (and for my opponent in case he gets confused by proxies).>I should expand the fluff on the regular unitsAdmittedly, my army is only really one big "life guard" force, so I didn't really come up with a lot of variation between the units, beyond "this is the handgun detachment of the electoral guard regiment". The greatswords are recruited from within the regiment (a little like grenadiers were historically), and the electoral jaegers are the best hunters from Ludenhof's directly owned lands.>>97203932If you want to go for the oldhammer style of naming you want to go for either an obvious or a vaguely joke name. Maybe you can reference your character's characteristic in some way.My wizard lord is called Ignatius Feuer because of his fireball spell, for example.You could nick some Ferengi names for goblins' first names, if you're really struggling.
>>97203995>97203753>>97203753*, I didn't want to rob (you) of a (you).
>>97203995That's pretty much exactly what I want. Jokey or punny names. Unfortunately I'm not good at coming up with funny names. The Ferengi idea is a pretty fun idea though and not one I'd have ever considered. The Grand Nagus is one of my favorite scifi characters.
>>97203152My issue with Cathay is that I think the lore they ended up getting was uninspired, and a massive missed opportunity to boot - especially in the context of TOW.Cathay could have been set up as a series of factions/dynasties controlled by each of the Dragon Emperor's children (each dynasty could pull influence from a real-world Chinese dynasty). The Dragon Emperor determines the ruling dynasty, and that dynasty falls out of power when it loses the Emperor's favour (i.e. losing the mandate of heaven).With TOW being set around the age of three emperors, it would have been a great opportunity to juxtapose the established Empire lore with the new Cathay lore to highlight its differences. Catahy could have been in the middle of one of these dynastic transitions (think Yuan to Ming, or Ming to Qing in the real world), which could have also worked as a justification for having Miao Ying in the Empire, as she could have been earning glory to curry favour with her father.
>>97204022Eh, Cathay is imo a massive piece of shit, but there's still time to reverse course. No idea if they will but there's a lot of potential to do bait and switches. Some of the new teased Cathay models with extremely unsubtle hints of Tzeentchian corruption were positive additions so they are at least setting themselves up for the potential to show us how all the posturing of being a perfect utopia is just propaganda.
>>97203932does it have any peculiar characteristic or role or history?do you have any funny insults from some language other than english?
We're starting a path to glory campaign in january because a couple of players have never played the game. At 500 points would you prioritize foot troops over cavalry and monsters? It's pretty easy to pick for my army, but one of the players have skaven and isn't sure whether he wants 20 clanrats, 15 plague monks and 10 vermins or minimal size units and rat ogres + weapons teams.>TQ:My dudes are just elfs, nothing special about them, but we call one of the heroes I've been using for a long time 'John Faillebron'. We got a kill count for him and has killed a total of 9 models in 8 games. He always gets killed but we play it off as if he was only injured and came back with a new prosthetic the following game...to then be killed again. Basically, I can roll pretty consistently (as in very average) but whenever it comes to John, we can say with a high certainty he's going to fail the 4' charge or the hit roll, or the wound roll to then get completely smashed. He started as a prince but I've mounted him on an ithilmar chariot because in our headcanon, he's so crippled he has to be carried around with his axe tied to his elbow so that he can, at least swing it. Pretty schizo, but he's provided very good laughs
>>97204016I'd try to boil your characters down to a demeaning characteristic.A goblin shaman could be called something like "Weedo Flowamuncha". The executioner-looking goblin in your post here >>97203932 "Honcho Necklover", you name it.
i need to come up with some lore for my orcs, right now they are just generic beyond having brown shirts instead of black and white. i have models of grimgor and wurrzag, but i want to kitbash my own orc leader once i have a decent amount of parts.repostan my boyz even though i usually wouldn't, and yes i know they aren't in proper formation i just wanted to show them off with a photo.
So is there gonna be like a bestiary or a campaign module for this?
>>97204183The GM guide had one
>>97204067Not really. I'm trying to be the change in my group by coming up with some succinct and silly names and stories to inspire people to do the same. I'm better at riffing off of others rather than leading the charge but sometimes you just gotta do what you gotta do.>>97204154The only character I've managed to name basically comes down to this. I named my main goblin shaman "Grimstink" with the call name.. The Grink. I thought it was OK. One of my issues is that I also tend to overthink things. Maybe I need to put prefix + suffix words in a hat and pull them out at random to see what combinations I get.
>>97204164An easy place for start with your dudes is just to look on the map and decide where they are from/headed to and base your fluff from what's around the area.Say your Orcs are from the Badlands, have they fought the Tomb King a lot, perhaps the throw hands with the Ogre mercenaries, or do they dwell in the valleys and trails in the mountains bothering Dwarfs and other travelers, or perhaps they roam the Empire, tussling with Beastmen and lone villages as they grow in number?Just be creative Anon, I bet you can do some cool stuff for your greenskins.
>>97203577Legacy factions are never coming back anon. The sooner you accept this the easier it will be.
>>97204381Dark elves will come back, and maybe Ogre,s but I'm not sure about the rest
>>97204381competently updated rules and occasional made to order runs would be more than enough for them
>>97200859>TQMy Araby army comes from Upto Nogud, a beatiful town on the shore. Its main export is piracy and main import are slaves. They are ruled by wali Isbad Ab'Horent, sorcerer of great renome. These are subsections planned>core of the army which is just spear and bow militia. Main color is green and purple>Black Turbans pirate brotherhood led by dread pirate Radolf Bitler. Their colors are green, violet and orange with black turbans (obviously). They like utilizing fire (with help of pirate sorcerer Naftalinni) and superior speed to overpower their enemies in naval battles.>Al-Urik, a fortress town of Ulrik worshiping crusaders that went native. Historically a huge problem but they have alied with Isbad because he gives no fucks about who they worship. Entirelly cavalry force. Colors are green, blue and purple. I dont have any minis for them yet because I was waiting for Victrix to release arab horse archers but they are not in the que anymore.>Horent, a magical academy. Here Isbad was born. You can buy genies for a pound of warpstone. In theory colors are black and purple but only Horent Guard, a unit of swordsmen based on famed high elven swordmasters of Hoeth bother with it.
>>97204481Post your Arabs
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>>97204481Based Iznogoud energy
>>97203152>Why the hell are there polar bears in a Slavic inspired setting? It is retarded and makes no sense .I mean, apart from the fact that Polar Bears live within Russia.
>>97204531finished part
>>97204571wip part.
>>97204571>>97204577Why round bases and not square?
I need some kindly anons help.Men at arms scale and if possible a pic next to a empire free company/ state troop if anyone has one im planning maybe a tilean army with a combination of both empire and bretonia troopsThank you in advance
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>>97204606It begun as a small unrelated skirmish scale project to help me learn converting and kitbashing. I am going with rounds for consistancy. Plus I am using washers as bases that is way cheaper and more easily accesible. They will move via tray anyway.My dwarves though are on 25mm (I bought one hero from Avatars of War that would just not fucking fit on 20mm no matter what I did and I went with it even before TOW dropped) squares (though flat Renedra ones, I like them better).
>>97204672Star thank you, they seem a bit stumpy compared to the empire
Question for fluff nerds - how much sense does it make to have regiments from different parts of the Empire in your army? Was it common for regiments from different provinces to come together in a fight, or rather reserved for times of great danger?
>>97204277i think it'd be easier if i knew any other TOW/WFB players irl, unfortunately i don't and i want to make sure my army is fully painted before i bring it to local stores for gaming. then i could see the sorts of armies i'd be facing and base it off of that.
>>97204164Maybe start from heroes ? What they are like, what are they using, how they came to power, what was their biggest victory so far, how do they like to use their troops etc.
>>97204741It depends on the time period you want your Empire army to represent, like in the age of three empires, Talabacland controlled Stirland and Ostermark, so it would make sense for troops from those provinces to be in a Talabacland army but you wouldn't expect any Hochland or Ostland troops.During the mainline WFB period it's a bit messier, but you can always fluff it as a regiment of troops that have been signed away to fight for a certain province or noble to bring in cash into their hometown like the example of The Emperor’s Own Imperial Ostlanders which are an ostland Halbider Regiment that are sworn to Karl Franz so he can use them as a border patrol to protect the Empire borders
I wonder if people even care about wood elves because they’re elves. Maybe they would be more interested in like, a Druidic faction of humans.
>>97204844>humansno
>>97204851Then halflings
>>97204844Wasn't that the island of albions theme? Withe the giants and truthsayers? Although they never got a army
>>97204844There's the Horned Hunters of Taal who have a sort of pagany Wotan Wild Hunt theme. Got their own Mordheim warband but idk if it's official.
>>97204875Those guys would just be Taal-themed Flagellants like the Wolk-kin are Ulric-themed ones
>>97204844I would just like better looking glade guard/riders. Some of the old sculpts hold up IMO (treemen/tree kin I like the oldhammer style) but some like GG look pretty goofy. They also have some of the best looking older metals like the waystalkers/watchers
Singles I work on cleaning/assembling ogres, dubs I work on cleaning/assembling Orcs n Gobbos.
>>97204649Someone already answered your question, but I want to bring up the fact that Tileans are usually portrayed in similar fashion to the Empire in the fluff and even in some of GW's more recent information about the Renegade Crowns army and such.I'd also want to caution you beforehand that the state troop sculpts really aren't great. If you don't mind proxying (and you really shouldn't if you don't want to sell a kidney) I'd suggest either going for Warlord's plastic landskechts if you don't mind them "technically having a more German look", or specifically go for Warlord's or the Perry Brothers' Italian sculpts. Even if you're going for the latter more expensive option their metal (usually gorgeously designed) Italian minis are still cheaper than GW's plastic ape-men. I personally prefer the look for Perry's Italians (and I might go for them once I make a battle march army in the far future), but that's up to you... if you're going to proxy, that is.And in my experience no one minds you going for proxies for TOW, unless you're forced to play at a geedubs shop *or* maybe if you're American (since I've noticed that Americans in this hobby sometimes have unwarranted brand loyalty).>>97204672Yet even more proof that the Empire is superior!
>>97204913>Italian minis are still cheaper than GW's plastic ape-men.I should correct myself: Perry's are cheaper. I misremembered the prices for Warlord's, they also tend to overcharge on their metals specifically.
>>97204913Thanks for the info, to be fair I was hoping to use free company parts with bodies of men at arms to make some unholy mix and create dogs of war esque regiments of renown with fagellents and knights of Moore was they. Are associated tiles in fluff... Maybe I'll pop it on back burner for a bit to figure it out, but for about £250 could cobble together a decently sized army
>>97204913There are also WGA Conquistadors which are not great but better than gw.Also check 9th age minis library it has a list of good proxies even if it is a bit outdated nowadays.
>>97204950>to be fair I was hoping to use free company parts with bodies of men at arms to make some unholy mix and create dogs of war esque regiments of renown with fagellents and knights of Moore was they.In my opinion those kits all tend to be great sculpts (although I know some anons don't like the knights' horses specifically). It's genuinely just the state troops that aren't great, and they're even a bit off next to the missile troops.I got several ideas floating around for RC, and for some of those I might go for empire knights and free company as well.
>>97204548Hello retard, I know there is a 50% chance your IQ is below 100, even higher chance if you're non white, but allow me to explain in the hopes that you will understand.Polar bears live above the Arctic circle far away from human civilization. Kislev is inspired thematically and aesthetically by cossacks, polish, kiev-russ, etc. Who are all peoples who live very far away from the Arctic. In fact all these peoples live within the habitat of the Eurasian Brown Bear, which has a long historical and cultural significance to them. Therefore, it doesn't make much sense to use a polar bear over a brown bear, when the brown bear is closely associated with these cultures and is used in a lot of their symbolism. Google "Russian bear" and you will learn all about the thousand year history of the Russian empire using the Eurasian Brown Bear symbolism, and you will find zero mentions of polar bears. I hope that clears things up. I look forward to seeing what you decide to argue about next, take care
Old world needs more naked men.
Can Cathay hurry up and come out so Warriors of Chaos can hurry up and come out so Kislev can hurry up and come out
>>97205214I only care for the potential wood elves desu. Can’t find decent wardancers anywhere.
>>97205228It would be very funny and good for you so I hope the Tomb Kings vs Wood Elf starter box rumor those Canadians started is real.
>>97205214When does that cathay army expansion box come out btw?
>>97205238Almost certainly january
>>97205239>>97205238They said late winter, early spring in the model reveal
>>97205239>>97205246did they say a price on that box? im kinda torn between getting it or just getting a few boxes of peasants when those drop. im not super pumped on the jezzails and handcannon units
>>97205184Meds.
>>97205266When I'm medicated I realize what a loser I am so no
>>97205228what about converting harlequins with a head and weapon swap?
>>97205214Sorry "comrade", it will be Empire only from now on.>>97205265>or just getting a few boxes of peasants when those dropCreate a Yellow Tide and go for the historically accurate peasant flood!
is the T10 dwarf lord a meme or is that legit?
>>97205285i definitely plan on fielding a bunch of the peasants because those models look fantastic (and also im using the army in 2 games, and in the other game archers are good), but i was just weighing how much of a discount the box was going to be, because the battalion box was quite the deal
>>97205277>what about converting harlequins with a head and weapon swap?I think there are better idoenth or lumineth options to work with as a base, but im not really interested in putting that much work for non character stuff atm.
>>97205286It's a basic rune, anon
>>97205265price will be the same as the recent maraduer box
>cant find a single decent pic of the glade guard or glade rider sprue, let alone their assembly instructions dude what the fuck. I just want to know if I can get any extra leftover bits for some kit-bashing projects.
finally finished the BSB
>>97200859They field from Araby (insert some city state here) and is a mixture of slaves, local nobles, cutthroats and mercenaries banded together mishmash of an army. I want to make every unit somewhat unique to represent this idea.
>>97205214Doubt kislev will be released since cathay is lot more popular.
>>97206580Next major releases are Cathay wave 2, WoC and then Kislev. Confirmed by multiple credible leakers.
>>97206374I like your chud sun.
>>97205152Its a fictional world dude holy fuck calm down
>>97206843>bro, it's warhammer: the late paleolithic world, polar bear habitats stretched into the northern edges of the old world
Rebel crowns seem like a fun list, what are your experiences with it?
>>97202062>>97202112We're still gonna have fun and you're niggers
>>97204701Game still uses squares though. How do you deal with units getting in low numbers and it being too cumbersome with large trays, how are you able to measure who can fight in a rank when it’s more tedious to measure from rounds in a row than on squares.Have you even had a game to test how it all works, if not then why not base them on squares in the first place? It just baffles me that’s all, no offense to you and your minis Anon.
>>97206644that was before CA published the latest popularity stats. now Kisles will be scrapped for cathay wave 3 which will bring zhao ming to the tabletop.
Anyone know some good sources for inspiration or random miniature company name dropping?I keep finding ones with problems, like being a personality first, a miniature painter second, or making some really weird decisions probably stemming from wanting advert money so just mangling a mini for content or hating warhammer minis but using them anyway because algorithm which just makes the entire thing painful
>>97201038>TW Shogun 2 got me into TWHTotal War really did die with Shogun 2.
>>97202230Why did reddit?
Starting an escalation League for the first time and playing Warriors of Chaos for the first time, any recommendations for list building? Not trying to go super meta but want the list the function, we are starting at 500 points and I was thinking of bringing >New Maraduers>New Marauder horsemen>Exalted Sorcerer on Chariotas the core, any other recommendations for units? How are sorcerers on Chariots? I'm avoiding using Warriors or Knights because they are apparently getting an updated kit next year.
Finished the unit to go with this guy this morning, but I haven't taken the pic yet. Will post later today. What are you working on generals?
Odds I paint some dudes tonightEvens I hang out with my wife tonight and cum on her titties after some sloppy toppy
>>97206374Those look great anon. The colour of the basing materials really help it all come together. Where did you get those minis from?>>97206807TOD - Total orc death.
>>97207109Fuck rerolling
>>97207151FUCKRerolling
Fair play to GW and Royal Mail, my FW Orc Command has already arrived which means I get to wrap it up for myself for Christmas.
>>97207153God damnit its been a hard week I need that gluck gluckRerolling
>>97207087If you are bringing cav bring hounds for screening.
>>97207087Exalted Sorcerer on chariot is going to be too expensive to start with.
>>97207124Looks like Highlands to me.
>You're playing gobs? ayyyt fine shyt>...
>>97206946Round are aesthetically superior to squares. If you care about how your miniatures look on an individual level you will use rounds.
>>97207283I'll keep that in mind>>97207291I forgot about that, I will just run it as a basic chariot for now then and have my general be an aspiring champion. That rounds current list out to >Aspiring Champion>17 Marauders, might break this into two units, marked to Nurgle Cult>6 Marauder Horsemen, marked to Khorne cult>10 Warhounds>Chaos Chariot, marked to KhorneThat gives me 21 more points to mess around with for upgrades or items
>>97207379I would probably advise against splitting up the marauders on foot as they might creep into the territory where the ease of panic checking them would keep them out of the game for most turns. That's about as much advice as I can give.
>>97201048Holy shit that is really well painted
>>97201765Looks like it was just drenched in oil wash and then lightly touched up
>>97203696> Unpainted and unbasedTRASH TRASH TRASH
Done discuss Mordheim in here?
>>97207361genuinely retarded cope
>>97206995sorastro doesn't paint warhammer but he is the best painter on youtube
>>97207361>If you care about how your miniatures look on an individual level you will use rounds.Yeah but I don't. I paint armies not minis. What matters to me is unit coherence. Paintfags will never understand.
>>97207158Make sure you post pics anon
>>97201765I don't know if it's the photography that doesn't show some of the final highlights, but if you want to go the extra mile that's probably what you would have to doyou don't want the weapon's head, the helmet, the pauldron and the gems to stay too dark
>>97207491>I paint armies not minis. What matters to me is unit coherence.sovl
>>97207096Looks great anon, get some freehand on that banner! I've been working on some squiggly beasts to chase down those annoying balloons and to screen my flanks. Trimming the AOS squig hoppers down so they arn't all jumping is a massive pain in the arse, but I think it makes them look a lot better. They're not done yet, but this thread needs more WIPs.>>97205152Multiple municipalities and oblasts within the Rus area use polar bears on their heraldry. Kislev is further north than where the Rus in real world Europe are based (which is more on the latitude of those Imperial provinces on the Sea of Claws). Kislev uses ice magic, polar bears are icy. It also provides a foil to the White Wolf of Middenland.
>>97207491>I paint armies not minis.what makes up those armies.
>>97206946Yes, I largely bet on my opponent not being a huge faggot.Plus they fit inside 25mm squares there really is no problem here with determining combat width and such.As for games not really, the army is not exactly finished and the scene was murdered during covid. Mainly playing online, sadly.
>>97207470Sometimes, it's fantasy after all.
>>97207491>I paint armies not minisThis is an approach that gets never considered enough, and I'm not talking just about basing or choosing a standard of painting that's comfortable for finishing a whole army, or a color scheme that will look just as good on a single model up close as it can be on a whole army at gaming distance, but about the fact that all guidelines of color theory for a colour scheme can and should ideally be applied on an army as a whole in the same way you apply them on an individual model, with different colors used on different models and units like you would use them on different parts of a single model.
>tree spiritis really fucking hate the wood elves I mean I can understand some degree of hate from a portion of the tree sprits, but it seems like the trees that do like them mostly just tolerate welves for the most part. this seems kinda dumb.
>>97207596They literally walked onto their lawn and act like they own the place.
>>97207596Sheltering the elves tainted and doomed the forest on multiple levels, it's an original sin kind of deal with no baby treesus to deliver the forest in sight or ever.
>>97207596They're just a tool to defend the forest.
>>97207596I think we just don't see or hear about more pro-elf tree spirits and dryads since they are boring and don't add to the faction's inner conflict
Seems a lot of anons here are pretty autistic. It's not difficult to play with or against round-based miniatures, and even if they have the wrong base size, you can still calculate how many miniatures should be in contact in a matter of a couple of seconds. In the early 2000s I used to play with a friend who would use MESBG miniatures for his High Elf army, and he had them all on 25mm rounds, which was no issue whatsoever. "While your unit is here in reality, it should reach out to here instead" is a pretty easy concession to make when we're talking about flank and rear charges. I've even played some games with armies based for TOW vs armies based for 6th ed, and we had no issues whatsoever.And I say this as a person who agrees that square bases look much better for anything that's Warhammer Fantasy. But honestly, diorama bases (like the ones used for historical games, particularly Impetus or To the Strongest) look best to me, and again, it wouldn't even be difficult to play against something like that if you have literally any way of marking down casualties. At the end of the day this is a fucking game to be played between two people, you are not fucking machines, you can have nuance and understand what is and what should be.
>>97207842I don't really care about round vs square bases, and I think that arabnon had a reasonable explanation for why they were on rounds. But the wrong base size is absolutely where I draw the line simply because I don't know if the opponent is gonna be someone who conducts himself in a gentlemanly manner or some kind of turbo dweeb who will try to milk every opportunity he can get for some minor win in the game. I agree with you in spirit but in practice I've seen too many times people act in bad faith that I demand to have everything visually represented as it is, if I'm playing with strangers.
>>97207488Thank you anon
