Previous: >>97216730Mill is okay, Hombre edition>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM >TQBe honest, do you have an deck of an archetype you hate, because truth be told its fun on the other side?
>TQ I hate control decks but run one, It's only ok when I do it
>>97230097>TQStorm is always fun when you're the pilotStorm is cool if you're a spectator Storm is boring if you're the opposition
>TQ I hate landfall due to being training wheels level of easy cheese for idiotic powerful pay offs because wizards pushed it so hard, and I will never play landfall due to that and it's boring play loop that literally every landfall deck does as "I have 10 cards to let me play extra lands per turn and 10 cards that let me play them from graveyard, now watch me loop this fetch."
Kraven this penis
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97230127it's gotten to the point where games are only fun if a control deck (with a competent pilot) is around to stop the absolute degeneration. It's so fucking was to play around control in commander especially, you are literally a retarded noob if you pisscry about control
>>97230090Only if I stole them from the board, otherwise they go to exileRetard
>TQHate is a big word, but I don't really like stax. Pic related made a stax Zur player scoop.
>>97230097>Be honest, do you have an deck of an archetype you hate, because truth be told its fun on the other side?The only archetype I hate is infinite combo slop and no I don't have one
what's a good first control commander / colors (pair or mono preferably) for an aggro meathead?
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>>97230224This honestly should get played more, there are so many fucked up enchantments nowadays that it'll almost always be a 3 for 1 and in those few games it isn't you can just throw it away
>>97230245It's Azorius + Green.You WILL stomp them to death
>>97230224damn, i love this, didn't see it before putting it in all my decks with green
>>97230271
>>97230245>All them counters spells and control artifacts like static orb and etc while making big beaters to still swing at people
>>97230271Yes, the cycling 2 is insane. It's already incredible they went for "up to three". I'd still play this as a sorcery for "up to two".
>>97230097>TQNo. Because believe it or not my money is where my mouth is when I say an archetype is gay.
Can some lorefag explain to me what event this card is depicting?
>>97230245What power level are you aiming for? What's the average deck you play against? Because we're potentially looking at anything from "cEDH Tivit" to "it's actually just pillowfort"
>>97230144>Kraven this penisI think hes gonna be my next dick. It looks like hes budget friendly and removal tribal is fun. Also I dont have a Golgari deck yet
>>97230335Guff found Bolas's printouts feom furaffinity, and he drew little stick figures all over them, thus reducing Bolas's power by destroying his beloved gooner material
Fever TimeBBRREnchantment Once a turn, you may roll a d6 or d20, you may not ignore any dice rolls. when you do, all values of X are equal to the total value of the rolled values. You lose x life.
>>97230224>the Stax player scoopsthe audacity
>>97230392Safe travels this holiday season, brave Toski.
>>97230097>tq there's not really any archetypes I hate. Pretty much only decks I don't like are goldfish-y decks that take long turns and that's a time thing more than a concept thing.>>97230144>>97230339He's very fun but very salt inducing, especially with all the ways to protect him in golgari colors.
>>97230224>>97230271>>97230328been playing it since release and it's still budget. Even the cycling is cool, but the card is so good that you wouldn't want to cycle it away
>bring back commander tuck rule>bring back old legendary rule>remove banlistThere. I fixed Commander. You're welcome.
>tqI don't hate any archetype, really, but I just can't stand decks that cheat out bullshit.Kaalia etc
Make sure you link in the kast thread so the sperg doesn't get territorial
The retard is back
>>97230459You better post your deck or anon is going to have a melty!
>>97230488You first.
>>97230510I don't play this game I only come here to shitpost
>>97230427attempted removal would be admitting to the Kravings anyways, thus he is auto protected
>>97230459HOW DARE YOU talk about your opinions without linking a deck of yours? Aren't you a real Commander player. GIB ME A LIST OF ONE OF YOUR DECK RIGHT NOW, you impostor.
>>97230521based UBtourist
>>97230538No, he has to post a selfie of himself at the LGS in a pod of 4 playing a game. And there better not be any UB in the photo for his sake
>>97230538A criticism of a format falls flat if you can't provide proof of your expertise, but shitposters gonna shitpost.
>>97230538why did this opinion make anons upset exactly? If you can't prove you play the game then why should I listen to whatever you have to say?
>imagine unironically supporting a banlist in a casual formatGrim.
>>97230097>TQNone. If it's something I don't like playing against I'm not going to subject people to it by playing it myself.
>>97230573Black Lotus Mox Sapphire Balustrade Spy target self flashback Dread Return targeting Thoracle go next?
>>97230556>provide proof of your expertise>expertiseARE YOU SWEATING IN MUH CASUAL GAME?FUCK MAN EDH IS SUPPOSED TO BE SOUL!WE'RE SUPPOSED TO PLAY FOR HOURS!WHY IS SHAHRAZAD STILL BANNED THEN? DON'T ASK QUESTIONS!
>>97230556>>97230567Esl shitskin cant prove he's more than a shitposter and is raging
>>97230579>uh we're just going to kick you out for playing mean cards!>wait what do you mean kicking you out for using mean cards is basically enforcing a banlist? AAAAIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE
>>97230593Not an argument. Your ass sure is blistered though.
>>97230459Hybrid mana should be legal in all decks that contain at least one of the colors.30 life is superior to 40.Ban any card that say "win" or "lose" on it.There, I fixed commander and it can finally be played the way it was intended by Maro.
>>97230567The mill discussion was amusingly annoying but this "post a paper decklist" thing is just stupid. There will never be any discussion on this thread serious or significant enough that it warrants post curation.
>>97230579What's wrong with that if you all agree to it before the game and are playing similar powered decks?
>>97230459How does this fix anything
>>97230639nobody that dismisses the idea of a banlist will ever actually agree on a no banlist
>>97230643>doesn't cater to noobs who have to do the thing or else they throw a fit because they can't deal with actual strategy, interaction or 'mean' cards
What are some fun black cards that work with discard strats but don't outright ruin the fun? >Inb4 discard is always unfunEverything in moderation, anon. I can shut a player down, but I don't have to.
>>97230664These are the same kind of people who get ass blasted when a combo piece gets milled.
>>97230670Discard is always unfun no matter how hard you try to cope on this.
>>97230670run wheels but don't damage them for it>hey wheels is technically discard
>>97230664>by reducing build diversity by forcing everyone to run the same 5c good stuff piles so they can deal with "every threat" until one of them gets lucky enough to draw their tutor so they can combo offThat doesn't save the format from anything.Seems like you just want to pubstomp since your point of contention is "noobs.:" You can do that already without tuck.
Think they are ever going to reprint Ashcoat?
>>97230613For once in your life; you're right. Because no one was arguing with you to begin with
>>97230335Guff was one of the new planeswalkers introduced in Invasion. His thing is that he's fourth wall aware. He has a book with the history of the universe in it., and in the climax of the book he rips it in half and doodles all over it because it says the Phyrexians/Yawgmoth would win. Then Yawgmoth kills him effortlessly.
>>97230670Discard isn't fun and if your table aren't retards they'll have a gentleman's agreement to kill you asap so they can get back to having a real game.
>>97230263oooh i really like this>>97230274funnily enough I've been toying with the idea of building either Ishai or Kamahl but didn't really think of doing them together, but I guess it could maybe somewhat work as kinda tempo deck with Ishai as an early threat and kamahl as finisher>>97230336unfortunately I'm not great at determining brackets yet, but I'd say an average bracket 3 with some potential for improvement is a good spot to aim for for meprecons mostly eat shit at my pod with very occasional wins, while e.g. some with 30$ upgrades do greatthere's 2-3 decks that I'd say are maybe low bracket 4 or high bracket 3, no game changers but can easily win turn 5-6 if uninterrupted with plenty of different infinite combos
>>97230670I did a Zurzoth wheels and him having the random 1 card discard on attack trigger already made people absolutely fuming, while some straight out refused to play with the deck, I don't think you can make it work
>>97230771Hes just a little guy
>>97230788i find it hard to believe that you have decks that can win turn 5-6 uninterrupted but at the same time can't figure out a control deckit's as if your deck has never lost a game because you always beat up on the same people
>>97230907I'm talking about decks in my pod in general, not my own
>>97230097>TQI have the classic hatebears with Winota, because I like decks that allow you to have half of it full of creatures and still be playable. I hate playing again hatebears. But when I am the bear? It's fun.
>>97230926i'm still wondering why precons and $30 are even winning at all in your pod, makes me think a lot of things are unoptimized stillrun a stock tergrid list and see how far that gets you
>>97231007meant precons with 30$ upgrades, not 30$ decks as for precons winning, i guess it just happens that every so often people will mostly ignore it for most of the game and the stronger decks kill each other out and the precon just steals the win at the end
>>97230670mindslicer my beloved
Name a more based card>you can't
"Tempo doesn't exist in commander" motherfuckers need a diaper change each time you hit them with this bad boy
>>97231156oh my I accidentally did already >>97231157
>>97230631>Hybrid mana should be legal in all decks that contain at least one of the colors.I hope WotC survey results are so against this that MaRo is forced to backtrack, but I know he's ramming it through no matter what.
>>97231157>the blue Farewell
>>97231157Nope. You can drop it next turn.
>guy about to win with lab man>Cast sudden spoiling with my last 3 mana>Guys stops and thinks for a second>Did you pay the one?>No, I cant>Well, I'll draw, and retrigger lab man and win since split second doesn't stop triggers Bros I fucked up
anyone still using the grandma?was my first deck, wanted to put it back together but I feel like he will no longer pull the weight, so i was tempted to just bitch out and do Henzie or Ziatora with him in 99 instead
So what's so great about him, I don't think I get it
>>97231339He's a wheel in the command zone
>>97231345oh yeah, mono red really struggles with access to wheels, having a wheel for 6 mana in CZ fixes all your needs
>>97231339he's fun. he's not reinventing the wheel or anything, but a fight and 2 rituals on the back is tons of laughs.
>>97230643It makes my Tymna/Thrasios deck stronger because it's very weak and needs a way to permanently remove anyone that tries to build around their commander.
>>97231380>reinventing the wheel
>>97231339I don't really get it either and his high mana cost is a turnoff. But he does provide a lot of value with the second side and since red is the color of granting haste you can basically flip him over again immediately. He's draw removal and ramp. Not to mention his other side has a huge body if you want to do Commander damageMy issue is that he's six CMC
>>97231434agree, I'd understand the hype if he was e.g. 4cmc and had lower stats instead
>>97230579Force of Will Thoracle, yeah we can go next if you want
>>97231157That isn’t tempo you retard, it’s the most busted removal in the game.
>Hey, can we do a 10/7 mulligan instead?
Im going to make a party version of Kraven in Moxfield to see just how meme-y it would be
>>97230631>Ban any card that say "win" or "lose" on it.>LoseAristocratfags found dead in a ditch
kneel, controlfags
>>97231156I don't need a card to do that, flipping the table is as cheap as free if you can lift it.
Reposting since las thread diede:I want to come back to commander since my friends are still playing it on a 3-4 bracket group and i wanted to use a Final Fantasy Commander, does anyone recommend the Tidus pre con?
>>97231608no, why would I?
>>97231608no
>>97231622>>97231621Which one would you recommend? My other option is to go with a Yuffie // Yuriko one
>>97231608Yes the Tidus precon is really good
>>97231657no precon is ready for bracket 3 let alone 4
>>97230097>Be honest, do you have an deck of an archetype you hate, because truth be told its fun on the other side?No. The only decktypes I hate are ones I hate because they are unfun to play. I am not a seething narcissist who tries to control my opponents in a PVP game
>>97231657dunno
>>97231608Tidus is fine.>>97231673lol
Question for the anon that suggested a Polukranos deck, is this it? Anything obvious I'm missing? I don't usually play go-wide token deckshttps://archidekt.com/decks/18387383/phyrexia_hydra
>>97231570>kneel, controlfagspffftttt hahahahaha
>>97231694Not sure why that's funny, its true
>>97231709>Not sure why that's funny, its trueNo it isn'tIf he jams a fucking cyc rift in a tidus precon it is a 3. 3 is literally just "I am using 3 good cards" it is otherwise identical to 2.And I see 2's go against 4's and win all the time>inb4 some "UMMM THOSE PEOPLE SUK"Irrelevant since the claim had nothing to do with how good a player was
>>97231716>putting a single card in which you are hardly guaranteed to see makes it a 3
>>97231716>If he jams a fucking cyc rift in a tidus precon it is a 3. 3 is literally just "I am using 3 good cards" it is otherwise identical to 2.
>>97231716then it's not a precon anymore
>>97231723you mean i can put a single tolarian academy in my izzet standard deck and it'll still be standard legal? cool
>>97231716>if I abuse bracket rules technicalities I can..yawn
>>97231736Anon, are you on the mania side of your bipolar cycle?
>>97231730>3 is literally just "I am using 3 good cards" it is otherwise identical to 2.>vintage is just legacy with no banlists guys it's totally the samecasuals need not talk about bracket metagame>>97231743>anon, you're right, i was wrong, can you please let me have the last word in a basket weaving forum?lol
>>97231745>bracket metagame>bracket metagamerorromao
>>97231491I wish this bitch worked. Even though I hate this character.
>>97231750uh oh melty
>>97231745>3 is literally just "I am using 3 good cards" it is otherwise identical to 2.Didn't see the new bracket stuff, huh? It's fine I'll post it for you to peruse.
man look at all these soulful edh players slopping it up with GC staples in their shitty decks
>>97231203Imagine actually casting cyclonic rift while someone has two blue open. That's a "well I'm fucked if I don't..." move.Also since I do not actually know: Does this copy the overload if the opponent paid?
>>97231762>other than GCs 3 is identical to 2i see you missed out on the acceptable turn to kill the whole pod, 6 is a lot faster than 8, but ofc casuals can't really grasp this difference, cest la vie
>>97231780I didn't miss out on anything
>>97231787You lingered last in line for brainsThe one you got was kind of rotten and insane
>>97231787and yet you think 3 is just 2 w/ 3 GCs, how naive to dismiss what gavin is trying to do here, i wonder how good your foresight is
>>97231762>no two card combos>exception can be made for highly thematic cardsI play vampires, they suck blood and Edgar is a vampire, my win condition is to suck my opponents.
>>97231757sorry bracket slave, you gotta change your deck again to keep stomping in the right "meta" without getting bumped up
>>97231793>>97231791You've got the wrong anon, dummies
>>97231794>my win condition is to suck my opponents.H...hot
>>97231796imagine being a casual slave though
>>97231794bracket 1 is for absolute weirdos with a high degree of trust involved, definitely not for normal people
>>97231766I am not gonna play differently than I did back in July 2024 just because some people had a seizure over bannings
>>97231803I am not gonna play differently than I did back in July 2024 just because some people had a seizure over mld
>>97231773The text on the card is changed by paying the overload cost, so when the copy is made of has the same text as the overloaded version.Other alternative cost cards when copied are copied without the cost paid however as the text doesn't change.
>>97231809>yet another casual thinking their rule zero is being taken awaymany such cases
>>97231821I mean clearly it isn't because I don't play any different. You clearly are just looking for some argument. Just start some shit about proxies. It's far more effective
I really don't understand what is even being discussed anymore
>>97231829you seem to be mad that randos can finally agree on something because wotc said so, maybe because (You) won't be able to argue your opinions in the wild? lol>Just start some shit about proxiesi await the day when i meet a guy with 100% proxies so i can bust out my contract from below and call him a faggot for being afraid to gamble away worthless cardboard
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>>97231853Nice vagina
>>97231608Tidus is a 'must remove' commander, which is fine, just make sure you protect him. He gets out of hand really quick.
>>97231849Woah man. My proxies cost $.02 per card to print in materials. I can't financially recover from that.
why aren't you eating your do thing twice/draw card slop edhg?
>>97231903Auntie looks fun
>>97231903Because I'm not a cynical retard.
>>97231903this dude spiked as soon as the goblin was spoiled
>>97231889you'd be surprised at how even the most ardent proxyfag balks at ante
>>97231928Its fine, you wouldn't want my proxies anyway
>>97231951You don't actually run those proxies
>>97231923not my nigga carnifex demon?
>>97231903Wow, a commander that can really exploit Vesperlark.
>>97231962The NFL rejected my request to play a game at the superbowl.
>>97231903Because I am busy trying to make Keyword Soup.
>>97231903c'mon, what are you REALLY evoking, /edhg/don't get coy with me now
>>97232010maelstrom wanderer turn 4
will people automatically assume I'm playing stax cedh shit or am i fine?
>>97232029you're fine
Why does Kiora absolutely suck compared to the other two similar tribal commanders?>PantlazaWhen ENTERS battlefield, discovers based on toughness not mana, dinosaurs are a far more consistent deck with powerful cards. Also in white so far you can blink shit. Procs on HIMSELF>ZhulodokCascades twice on ANY colorless spellThe sea monster tribal is cool but it needs a better commander. Like wtf is vigilance for, and ward doesnt do shit for the amount of boardwipes. Plus the tribal doesnt include merfolk for some dumb reason.
>Oh you're playing giada>Oh, don't worry, I don't play it like other people, please I invite you to look through it and judge for yourself>Okay>Bog standard angel tribalAm I missing something, or do people just not looking up decks to get ideas at all?
>>97231966>reserved list card>6 mana bulk raregee I wonder
>>97232045they should at least errata the card to include sharksalso pic related is much better if you want to play that tribe
>>97232060tribal moment
>>97231903Necroskitter should get a reprint in the auntie deck but Gavin is a cowardly faggot.
What do you do when someone random guy starts seething?>playing at LGS with friends>3 of us, so we need one more guy>pick up a random guy from the LGS>all our decks are squarely in the 3/4 range>random says that's fine and starts saying he wants to try a new deck he's brewing>cool>begin>his deck is literally random UB shit slapped together with basically zero synergy>he gets knocked out quickly>he angrily stares at us while making comments like "of course you all gun for outsider">no one focused him, just got bonked early since a friend saw he was wide open>explain this to him>"and all of you are playing tryhard decks too, you should have told me you were gonna act like this from the start">just fiddles with his phone and then leaves
>>97232083ooh it's nongame finance bros
it was me, I'm the UB player those three guys ganged up on meand my deck is totally sick
>>97232090I say it they should errata all whales to leviathans. Maybe sharks as well, but I dont want to play Jaws cardsI like Kenessos but he should include mermaids. Also if he was a modern card he would have some way to scry himself.
>>97232113i was the one who bonked you earlyyou should've listened to gavin's brackets
