Previous: >>97235405>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM>TQWhat did you ask MaRo for Christmas?
>tqBring Back Tuck
>>97240087Keep dreaming
reprint every card over 10$
reprint every mechanically unique secret lair card
Remove the RL.
>i didnt buy the foglio lair because i dont want to waste money on cardboard>months later>still want itfuck i feared missing out and i did.
>>97240119Your fate has been sealed I saw it in a dream
reprint every UW as UB card
>>97240061>What did you ask MaRo for Christmas?Remove banlist. Bring back commander tuck rule. Bring back old legendary rule.
>only 7 legends with terese art>none with enough colors to run the best terese cards together>terese tribal deck is impossible to build>there will literally NEVER be another legend with terese artIt's actually over. Totally completely over.
>>97240061>TQHis televised ritual suicide.
Key Visual Arts UBDiscuss.
>>97240162Proxy them. The art's on mpcfill.
>>97240193Basandra is so hot, but so bad by todays standards.
this is green rhystic study in the current casual edh meta where everyone's abusing fetches and landfall players looping evolving wilds is the norm
>>97240162>>97240162Just buy the cards from them as you would use them. I bought the Umezawa's Jitte for under the cost of the lair and I had no need for the other cards in it so I saved money by not buying it.
>>97240087Wtf even is this
Make a card that does the same thing, but only costs 3 or 4
>>97240277target permanent's owner shuffles it into their library
>>97240281This is pretty close
>>97240277It's illegal to tuck your penis and your balls into your taint before you play.
>>97240281>>97240162I HATE PHIL FOGLIOI HATE PHIL FOGLIO
>>97240281flubs
>>97240297this. even his sibling is more talented
>>97240297Someone is smelly jelly his own bad art won't be picked up by wizards.
If this had vigilance, it would be perfect.
>>97240310i don't care how technically skilled an artist is i care about how fondly i remember their art
>>97240316Gee if only there was a color that was able to give a Boros Deck vigilance at a very cheap and efficient cost.
flying is so fucking annoying i hate how every fucking creature has flying
>>97240316You aren't meant to attack with her in the first place really. She is just a pillowfort piece.
What did YOU guys get for Christmas
flying is my fucking favorite i love how every fucking creature has flying
>>97240334Found the green player.
>>97240354i got good taste, you should ask for that next year too.
>>97240356FlyingGang
>>97240354I told you ai slopper if that box contained mechanically unique secret lairs I was going to have a maldy
>>97240354Nothing. My family didn't even want me to come down on Christmas eve and now I'm at work and will be working until early January.
What's the standard green ramp package now?
>>97240216You'll get a jap-only sld at best
>>97240314t. Paste eater
>>972403803cmc commander or 4?
>>97240354I boughted myself the FF scene boxes :)
>>97240354Pet rats.Nothing magic related unfortunately. We were going to do a Christmas party draft, but it fell through.
>>972403804x badgermole cub4x llanowar elves4x earthbend ascension3-4x lumbering worldwagon1x herd heirloom (for some reason)
>>97240380t1 dorkt2 three visits + nature's loret3 some stupid bullshit for 6 mana.
>>97240216Visual Kei UBDiscuss
>>97240386His art reminds me of Worms Armageddon.
>>972403875
>>97240413What a classicZoom zooms will never understand this
is it fun?
>>97240377Grim
>>97240489Its just a big thing you wiped your board for. It doesn't have haste, it doesn't have trample. If you want something giant to swing you're better off just playing pic related.
>>97240061>What did you ask MaRo for Christmas?Exquisite Blood on a Cleric Stick.
>>97240508without red you lose all the fling / rupture effects which is the main purpose of having creature that big I'd say (or at least that was what I wanted to do with it)
>>97240377>My family didn't even want me to come down on Christmas eveare you okay Anon? That sounds brutal.
>>97240477ugio WISHED his art was as good as WA
>>97240377i ghosted my annoying ass family this year let's trade
>>97240477I unironically bought a second copy of it for the N64 for $250 to play it with friends at my place. My bro has our childhood copy at his house.
>>97240508Dangerously stupid post
>>97240665>>97240508This is banned at my LGS. Metas centered around tutoring this card out. Its extremely busted with trample and any number of other effects.
>>97240684bait
>>97240476Then what you want is land ramp up to 3cmc.Nature's lore, three visits, farseek if you need fixing, cultivate, kodama's reach. Sol ring if your average cmc is above 2.5 without lands.Anything beyond that should be synergistic or more land ramp (rampant growth, harrow, wood elves).
>>97240380You haven't heard? Ramp is out. Wotc has lowered average cmc so much its actually to your detriment to waste turns ramping.
>>97240649>250$It's 3 dollary-doos on steam right now>inb4 console plebit's on switch too anon.
>>97240698Zoomer post
>>97240700>zoomer postZoomers are the ones spending a shit-ton on my sloppy second retro carts anon, you're just a rube.
>>97240700NTA, but I understand nostalgia, and I have a lot of it for the old N64. Until I try and use its controllers again and remember the are objectively the worst ever made for a major console.
>>97240700Bruh Im not a zoomer and I wouldnt spend 250 to have an N64 cartridge when I could buy it on a superior system (PC) for literally 1% of the price
>>97240704Wrongo larp anon. Zoomers are the ones who dont understand providence and cannot fathom why you would want the real, original copy.>>97240718Post ID :)>>97240712N64 controllers are incredibly easy to use larpkun
>>97240712>Until I try and use its controllersMy friend's grandma bought him some gardening gloves to use when playing mario party (1) because it gave him blisters in his palm.
>>97240316You play that deck completely wrong, you build it Sunforger tribal with every burn spell you can find in the colors, use her to make lightning bolt hit for 6 (plus the ping from guttersnipe after the bolt etc) suddenly everyone is sweating and you have a hand full of ICBMs with 7 mana untapped
>>97240737>Sunforgerevery morning an idiot wakes up and thinks sunforger is viable.
>>97240316Was playing a guy 1v1, was his only monster out and I had no blockers. But I had enough mana for this. Dude scooped.
>>97240753I've had similar situations with Kor Haven
>>97240746I'm only playing 3s, its fine with my "unviable" commander.
>>97240489no
>>97240489You need 6 creatures for 36 power (and thus being able to reliably drop a player). If someone sees this thing in the command zone, sees your full board and does nothing, they deserve to be Flung to death.
>Christmas eve event at the lgs>Some guy argues with me that timing rules still apply to cascade and pic related.Still making me angry
He not wrong tho
>>97240901Rent free
Would wotc ever print a card like this?>shit lotus>0 cc>artifact>sacrifice shit lotus, add 2 mana of any color to your mana pool. Shit lotus deals 2 damage to you.Or>Shit Ring>1 cc>artifact>tap shit ring, add one colorless mana to your mana poolAre these too broken to exist in the land of powercreep?
>>97240884What king of person exactly spends time at an LGS on Christmas eve? Do you live in a college town?
So which 5-6 cost draw equal to power cards are the best? Which do YOU prefer?
>>97240912>shit lotusMox Poison played around with this. >shit ringI think it would be overpowered even if it entered tapped.
>>97240260Depends entirely on your group. Some games it will draw and draw and others it will just sit there and do nothing.
>>97240926Rishkar's, Season, Return, Kyoshi, Lifestreamin that order assuming no other synergies.
>>97240912the first one needs to tap so it can be turned off by kismet type effects, but it's the same rate as ritual plus it burns you. it's probably fine.the second one is too strong, even as colorless, maybe even tapped. colorless mana matters a decent amount now.
>>97240926it obviously depends on what deck you're playing if you've got fatties you want expertise, if you're going wide or have the option to you get return, etc.
>>97240944But if Sol ring can exist, why can't a shot version of it exist?
>>97240087>turn commander into 1 v 1 singleton
>>97240912Shit lotus is broken. Free mana is ipso facto busted in mtg.Shit Ring will be printed eventually, it is very strong, but within reason. I've posited this for many years.
>>97240354Someone got me a duskmourn bundle thing that came with the Valgavoth precon and a pack from EoE, foundations, and duskmournI pulled an Icetill from the EOE pack
>>97240954People have been asking for sol ring to be banned since the first time they printed it in a precon. It's not a good measuring stick for balancing cards.
>>97240954Sol Ring can only exist because it was grandfathered into the format by the original founders. It is banned in Legacy, restricted in Vintage, and every 1v1 commander variant like Duel or Leviathan bans it. It's genuinely Mox-tier in brokenness.
>>97240354It's amazing to me how people went ballistic over "pointing spider-man card" or in universe meme cards but "XD MY CABBAGES" On like 10 cards is just quenchy and based.
>>97240955>t. bad deckbuilder
>>97240377I am going to assume you're one of the raving political lunatic types that got cut off by family.
>>97240973Get quenched loser
>>97240684>This is banned at my LGS.Shops like this are the absolute worst shops possible. I'd rather sell my cards than play at these places.
>>97240954Sol Ring is one of the most broken card ever printed and only gets to be allowed because it's le iconic
>>97240704The collecting blitz of old games was caused by the popularity of the AVGN. Which started 21 years ago.
>>97240884What did he mean exactly?
>>97240984>failed legacy player
>>97240986it's pretty rough, buddyI must go hide in my SECRET TUNNNEEEELLL
>>97240940>>97240952I think you're underestimating Kyoshi as any blink effect or counter manipulation can trigger her again, and she turns into the strongest version of a mana dork. The land as an extra body is also nice. I would say Rishkars and Wildspeaker are also up there, Wildspeaker being a potential finisher (though I think it is expensive compared to stampede or something), and Rishkars a 5cc free cast is nice but it depends on what.
>>97240998I think he means the player thought Narset Enlightened Exile couldn't exile a sorcery and cast it as part of her resolution and thought you would have to wait until main phase two to cast it at sorcery speed. And same with cascade. Which is a wild mistake to make.
>>97240998I swung and tried to cast call forth the tempest from someone's graveyard and he said it wouldn't work because its a sorcery. I explained that, yes I could, effects like hers and the cascade allow it to buypass timing restrictions and he said no, cascade didn't let me do that either and that's one of the reasons cascade is overrated.
>>97241027so Kyoshi is strong in counter or blink decks, wildspeaker is strong in wide decks and rishkar is strong in decks with fatties, which both of us just said that it depends on the deck / synergies you have
>>97241008>failed edh player
>>97240258Most of the angels are horribly outdated. Pisses me off because I want to run angel waifu tribal but it's a bracket 1 deck now and every new UW angel we get is DEI'd out the ass and made to look as ugly as possible and any cute UB potentially angel/angel adjacent card basically has nothing mechanically to do with them or has a 99 effect.
I think my favorite thing about this thread is when people with no experience with something try to argue that the person with objective experience is wrong.
>>97241041Please quit posting stories like this, it makes us commander enjoyers look like retards
>>97240994They know its broken, and they know it should be banned or at least a GC, but they fucked themselves over because to do it now would make every precon that has ever come out instantly be bracket 3 or an illegal deck.The "iconic" comment was just a smokescreen so people might not realize they were just incompetent about it since their first official commander products.
>>97241099There are a lot of retards out there anon. Some people are told incorrect information and just take it as gospel.
>>97241073Unc mad that he's wrong
>>97241114Unc also mad he bad lmao
>>97240901It's pretty impressive how combo manages to simultaneously be both the most braindead and low iq way to play the game but also gets memed by the midwits who make up 80% of the player base as being the most intelligent playstyle.
>>97241141This, its not impressive to mulligan until you get a way to get to your line as fast as possible, usually a tutor.
>>97240939creatures never do nothing
treefolk, saporling or ape/monkey tribal?
>>97240926return is objectively the best, but i like season for being bloomburrow and the modality is good.
>>97240901Incredibly based and trueCombo is lazy and unintelligent So amusing that the so called "smart" color of blue is actually the most played by midwits
>>97241173Saporling is the least based of the 3.Treefolk is the most based.
>>97241188True, red is the real gigachad color
>>97241203
>>97241203Unless you're just playing ojer or Krenko tremors*But otherwise yes.
Another one.
>>97240901>CEDH is a bunch of unskilled playersOkay bud
>>97241232your art is better
>>97241114no cap?
>>97241227
>Playing commander since 2014>It was the format that got me into Magic>As it gets more poppular newere players get the CARD ENVY and want to ban expensive cards because they cant afford them>Pretty much every newer commander player just talks about what cards they think should be banned>The format is full of pussies and narcissist fags who want to tell people what they can and cant play>Find out that Wizards has taken over the format and Commander banlist is probably doomed as fuck for real since nu commander platers are poor + retarded and want to ban cards they are too shit to afford or dont likeThe format was fun while it lasted, do you guys think Wizards is going to shit it up or no? Pretty much any time Wizards puts its hand on something is to predatorily monetize it these days
>>97241281>The format was fun while it lasted, do you guys think Wizards is going to shit it up or no?Did that with brackets. I do not consider brackets to be commander.
>>97241281Bans are a good thing. No one wants to see you run 3 dual lands and Gaeas Cradle and your Mox collectionNow end your life
>>97241314Bans of shit that should not be banned are bad actually
>>97240684Bait but I do find it funny how a similar situation emerged in my playgroup.All I do is play dragon decks. I do not run any creatures in my decks unless they are a dragon (changelings do not count fuck you). However I'm also the best deckbuilder in the group by a lot by sole virtue of realizing my decks should maybe include card selection and focus the deck on one thing instead of five. The takeaway other players got was "dragons are OP" and started trying to build dragon decks.
>>97241281>>97241294Rule 0 has always been a thing. Discussion of power level were always a thing.Brackets made it much, much easier to tell when the person who used to say their deck was a 5-7 was is actually lying to you because now you know exactly was is meant for each bracket you're playing it.I can only assume if you don't like this fact, its because you're just a faggot pubstiomper and now its harder, though not impossible, to bullshit people.
>>97241324>All I do is play dragon decks. I do not run any creatures in my decks unless they are a dragon (changelings do not count fuck you).Based homosexual flying lizard enjoyer
>>97241329>Brackets made it much, much easier to tell when the person who used to say their deck was a 5-7 was is actually lying to you because now you know exactly was is meant for each bracket you're playing it.Bullshit and you know it. Know the way you do this is to run hyper optimized kinnan and tell your playgroup he just a little guy, totally B2 btw
>>97241281>get into game through for-fun format>fails to understand why bans are a thing in every other formatyeah checks out
>>97240973That's rough buddy
>>97241355Just because Primetime has ruined many formats doesn't mean it won't ruin commander, unban him.
>>97241314Dual lands aren't even broken. They should be reprinted in every precon.
>>97241380If they aren't good lands, why the need for every proxyfag to run them? Why can't a guild gate or basic work just as well?
>>97241380Average proxytard right here
>>97241395They're great lands but not broken. Reprinting them in to the ground and making them easily accessible to everyone would help the format more than hurt it.
>>97241420how is encouraging high color slop improving the format
>UB Bluey when
>>97241417I don't proxy them and nta but I think everyone should have access to them. Running a bad land base just because you don't want to spend money on a better one just makes your deck stumble more often because of bad luck and bad draws. That doesn't make for interesting gameplay, especially when paying more money will just make your deck objectively better as the alternative.
>>97241440The format was designed around the 3 color elder dragons, newfag
>>97241440oh thats some bracket 1 bait.
>>97241380>You have what I want if you dont give me it im going to ban it>>97241355Because they are competitive, you are making a non point and framing it as a point lol.>>97241329Rule 0 there doesnt need to be a banlist you can just rule 0 anything you dont like.The entire point of the banlist is to homogenize how people play despite it being a 4fun format.The psychology of the banlist means no one will allow you to play any banned card even if its not that bad.The banlist exists entirely to make narcissist descision makers feel like they are important, its easier to just have no bans and rule 0 anything you dont like as a playgroup.>>97241395Og duals in terms of price/power is not that good.You have 40 life losing 2 is pretty negligible.People complain about Og duals because they are unironically just a symbol of opression to poor magic players and its funny because the cards in terms of power are pretty benign, fetch lands are significantly more powerful in most decks.Just another case of "I want what you have and if you dont give it to me im going to ban it"
>>97241329I don't care. I'm not using them. Don't bother arguing. I will not use your brackets in a box. I will not use them with a fox. I will not use your brackets, anon I am
>>97241481thisbracket autism is a scooby doo mask situation and the people behind it are the same people who brought you gear score and effectively killed MMOsnerds should never, ever, ever, ever be left in charge of evaluating casual play in a game of any kind
>>97241420>They're great lands but not brokenThey are the BEST lands, and have been since alpha.>But what about cradleThose are actually very piss poor by themselves, but are powerful when used correctly.A dual land that can be fetched and comes into play untapped with no downsides are the most powerful lands by a large margin.
>>97241481>>97241496on top of that its extremely jewish trickery to convince you to use a system that will transparently put new players on an expensive elevator ride to (((bracket 4))) instead of organically discovering new cards in a fun way through kitchen table play, and to somehow think you're getting value out of doing it
>>97241454>Running a bad land base just because you don't want to spend money on a better one just makes your deck stumble more oftenThen play at the power level your landbase allows your deck to play at instead of cheating.
>>97241517Incredible bait. Proxies aren't cheating you troon
breakthrough technology that renders traditional games copyrights useless when?
When people say to e.g. run at least 10 single target removal, are they talking about single target creature removal specifically, or artifact / enchantment / land removal counts into that too?
>>97241517But what if I literally own the dual lands
>>97240649You nutter
>>97241566Then why would you be complaining that your deck's landbase is holding you back?
>>97241468>whining about jlo ban>also i dont like this format being competitiveretard who sucks at the game signals
>>97241528this general hates proxies more than troons
>>97241608>Not refuting any of the legitimate points I made and just calling me "Bad at the game" or somethingOkay.
>>97241454Maybe consider running 2 color decks and not wubrg sloppa
>>97241417Gavin agrees with him.
>>97241643>Just play the things you aren't interested in playingNo.
>>97241649Gavin is a retardGavin agrees with anonAnon is a retard
>>97241559Depends on your deck and your meta. In bracket 2 and low 3, you can get away with mostly creature removal. In bracket 3 and high 3, you want a mix. In bracket 4 and cedh, noncreature removal and counterspells are more valuable. In casual play especially, the more versatile your removal, the better. I'v One Generous Gift and one Beast Within you know will get rid of what you need it to is better than a Swords to Plowshares and a Nature's Claim that are more efficient but might not hit what needs to go, and you'll likely have the time to find the mana you need to play them. The opposite becomes more true as you move from casual to competitive.
>>97241643I only run 1-2 colour decks because I like building budget but I don't find it enjoyable when I win because the Caesar across from me just didn't find the right colours in the first 5 turns of the game.
Don't argue with whales, it's like arguing with a woman.
>>97241684Nah, if you dont make over 80k on your own you dont deserve to have hobbies.
>>97241693Mtg whales aren't rich, they're just bad with money and will never own a home or retire. Or they're on benefits so it's not their money anyway.
>>97241693>80kThis is like poverty level here
>>97241693I don't make even 30k a year, and I still own some trueduals. You can put 10 dollars away a paycheck and you'll get there eventually. People just want instant gratification.
>>97241710Its enough to live alone, put 1500 aside for retirement, and have 500 left over per month for hobbies.
>>97241528It literally is. The game is about making the best decks with cards you own. Using cards you don't own and won't ever own is very much cheating.Sure, its like doping. Everyone does it, you know everyone does it, but its still cheating.
>>97241747I would agree if there wasn't cards that are legal but WOTC will never reprint. I dont proxie, I buy what I want, but I dont worry over others playing proxies. Plus it lets me play stronger decks.
>>97241762>if there wasn't cards that are legal but WOTC will never reprint.There's nothing on the RL that any deck absolutely needs.That also don't stop you from buying them if you really think you need them for your deck.
>>97241710it's enough for a big house in the woods herei drive an hour to get to my lgs
>>97241788EVERY CEDH rank requires those cards? Sure lower brackets dont but its *fine* to actually play CEDH every once in a while with a pod (I actually dont care for CEDH, its too cheezy and B4 is about the peak where its super optimized pet decks but its whatever).Its especially more prevalent as the power curve has turned up overtime.
>>97241693All the best hobbies are cheap or even free.>Fitness>Reading>Writing>Drawing>CookingI say this as a person with a CEDH deck worth more than late model used car.
>>97241701I own a home and I bought a Wheel of 4chan, Mana Vault, TOR, Mox Amber, Mox Opal, Consecrated Sphinx, and Cyclonic Rift for my no-combos allowed izzet deck
> oh, you want the print that isnt dogshit? Thatll be 5 more dollary-doos.
>>97241816None of those are hobbies and should be done by everyone for their own sake. Not sure why not being fat, stupid and unhealthy is a hobby.
>>97241805>EVERY CEDH rank requires those cards>LED and True DualsI'm sure if those cards were banned tomorrow those decks would still work just fine. They sure as fuck would still work as high power 4s. Your tinybones deck can manage without Chians, I assure you. Your elf-ball deck will work just fine with growing rites instead of creadle.
>>97241848They won't thoughbeit
>>97241740Rent is 2300 bro
>>97241797I drive 30 minutes because it takes that long to get 13 miles at rush hour
>>97241830This is the superior print tbhfam
>>97241816>drawing>cookingDrawing is expensive. Drawing tablets, photoshop, and expensive things like artist quality tools are not cheap. A fucking 8 pack of copics is like 80 dollars.>cookingYou are aware food costs money and grocery prices are rising, yes? I spend far more on food than MTG.
>>97241869Then you need roommates or not spent 500 on hobbies bro. I pay 1300 here in SC
>>972418912 bedroom apartment here in maine is like 900.Low LGS density though.
>>97241876I want to kill you now
>>97241939Old border MTG cards are hideous and why I did not get into the game until they were replaced.
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97241942
I think I finally figured out why I enjoy artifact decks the most from what I've played so far and I guess it might be just my ADHD leakingeven if my hand is shit, I'm losing, have dogshit boardstate etc., I'm at least almost always able to do SOMETHING practically every turnmost artifacts tap for something, draw you a card, fetch a card from the graveyard, look at the top cardfuck, even if I'm essentially paying 3 mana and 2 life just to put two 0/1 goats on to the battlefield 2 turns in a row, it feels better than just casting dragon fodder and passingam I retarded? do other deck types have similar feel?
>>97241971you're just too cooked to handle summoning sickness.
>>97241977honestly this might be true too
Fetches are infinitely more powerful than true duals.Shocks + Fetches is drastically stronger than ABUduals + Shocks.The problem is proxying isn't intrinsically power, it's that the average commander player has the self-control and intelligence of the average toddler.Unfortunately, price is often the only thing insulating the average retard's opening from being t1 Vampiric Tutor, t2 Arcane Signet, t3 The One Ring. This means that banning proxies often gives you a goldilocks window where people are playing decks of reasonable power before they start whaling on cards. So many players are under the illusion that allowing players access to every card irrespective of price is the problem, when in reality it's the fact that most commander players are retards.
>>97241971You just like fiddlely decks that do minor effects
>>97241844Almost everyone you know doesn't read, and even less draw or write. >>97241880These things are a one time or marginal expense. You can get decades worth of drawing supplies for less than a single mortgage payment. >food costs money, therefore cooking is actually an expenseThis might be the most retarded take of 2025. You have to eat and purchase food regardless if you prepare it yourself or not.
>>97241844these things are hobbies. you are retarded, anon. maybe if you actually read some books, you wouldn't be an argumentative prick
>>97241991What do people grab with their fetches anon?
>>97241994I guesswhat other archetypes tend to do that too?
>>97241998>You can get decades worth of drawing supplies for less than a single mortgage payment.No.>cooking is a free hobbylmao
>>97242017Spellslinger can if you do a can trip build
>>97242011Few read books because they aren't necessary to learn.
>>97241971Just run this dude and intruder alarm if you want to get out artifacts. You'll be be taking 40 minutes turns while doing nothing impactful.Your pods will love it and be in awe of your twiddling and durdling
>>97242030Whoops
>>97242023>NoYes. >lmaoExplain how the costs cooking are somehow different than the money you spend daily on food.
>>97242027Almost nothing is necessary to learn. In fact, you could say reading is a pursuit, indeed like a hobby.
>>97242023Cooking isn't free but a lot of people don't discount the food they are making and eating either, which does make it cost less (though hardly free)
>>97241513>on top of that its extremely jewish trickery to convince you to use a system that will transparently put new players on an expensive elevator rideyou mean players will be put on a ride because they lack restraint?but enough about proxies
>>97242011No wonder Americans are so fat and dumb. They gladly revel in mediocrity because they think that if something isn't personally fun they shouldn't do it, even if it means to better themselves. For your own health you should exercise and do some basic cooking and exercise. Sure making pies or some shit every week can be a hobby, but thats not inexpensive. Reading and writing is important for learning, even it its just websites or how-to books. Drawing on that list is the only "hobby", and I put that with music, gaming etc. Sorry if I hurt your feelings!
>>97242016Shock lands
> its another episode of europoor has a melty about americans
>>97242079Why are you talking about Americans?
>>97242090id rather have this than another conversation about trannies
>>97242080They grab true duals if they have them, shocks if not.Either way, if a card only exists in your deck to get something more powerful, it isn't the most powerful card in your deck.
>>97242099Cuz I see them everyday and tired of nonthinking trashy drones voting. >>97242090Im american btw.
>>97242109Maybe you should relax instead instead of having a total meltdown. Buck up, it's xmas
are we comparing duals and shocks as if they are replacements for each other rather than extra copies of the same card and the density of them is non-trivial?
>>97242104>They grab true duals if they have them, shocks if not.not necessarily the case, scrub
>>97242120Did you not read the chain?Someone said fetches are stronger than true duals and shocks.
>>97242127they are
>oh look it's yet another episode of dumb casuals whining about why people don't share their ideas of fun in a fucking PVP game
>>97242124I don't know what you trying to imply with this.Like you think shocks are basics or something.
>>97242127They are. The fact that you fetch the a dual doesn't mean duals are better. That's not the true strength of fetches.
>>97242134you can't tell that what the mono red commander that just dropped a mox diamond t1 is carrying in their 99?go back
>>97242062Is me reading twitter a hobby?
>a +1/+1 counters and token deck? that'll be 200$ for 5 staples
>>97242145It can beIt's a very sad hobby, but you can see it as and engage with it as a hobby.
>>97242136> but muh surveil landsFetches are only better than duals if you have duals to fetch
>>97242145Is moving the goalposts a hobby?
>>97242079We get it. You read some fucking self help book from a grifter.>uh if you exerciseActually, know what would be 50 times better for you?Cut sugar. Entirely. You'll lose more weight than exercise.
>>97242150this is the deckbuilding equivelent of trying to buy a house in san francisco
>>97242150>there's a dragon tax>um ok>there's also an autism tax>AAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEE
>>97242160I suppose it could be. But it isn't relevant here. I am asking if reading means books or any readingBecause EVERYONE "reads"You mean fuckin books from 1870
>>97242150What staples?I'm sure whatever you say there is .25-5 dollar budget options.
>>97242150ABPAlways be proxyin.No, I will NOT buy that copy of Jin Gitaxias. I will proxy him.
>>97242159The fetch still thins my deck and gets me a basic if I need it to. Get fucked SCRUB
>>97242104The true dual doesn't loop itself with Crucible of Worlds.
>>97242193Seems like the more powerful card there is crucible, not the fetch
Are our family lives really so bad we are arguing about lands and proxies on Christmas?
>>97241991indeed, absolute freedom in getting cards via proxies eventually conflicts with the idea of protecting the table from becoming a CEDH pod living in denial
>>97242211you know what helps with a hangover? destroying retards on 4chan
>>97242159That's probably true, but it's not just surveil.
>>97242211personally, yes
>>97242199that has nothing to do with fetches > duals lmao
>>97242239Then why bring up crucible
>>97242173Anon, where do you think you're at? What was this site founded for? Some forms of reading are dignified than others, but you can pursue them as a hobby.
>>97242246because fetches interacting with more cards (crucible, etc) and mechanics (delve, etc) proves that they are stronger than duals
>>97242258>Because you can add another card it makes them strongerYeah, that doesn't make them stronger than default. That just means crucible is strong.
>>97242269>other people/cards contributing to the whole? no, it's just one (1) guy/card doing all the worknever get into a position of authorityif you are in one already, i feel sorry for your underlings
>>97240563quick test for you anon: is Jumbo Cactuar a legendary creature? Can it be your commander?Or would it be in the 99 of a (potentially gruul, etc) deck?
>>97242211I don't like large crowds.
>>97242276>InsultsI accept your concession. This may shock you, but not ever deck runs crucible, they all can benefit from true duals outside of mono colors, so not. A single deck type doesn't make them stronger on the whole.
>>97242184According to the professor thats actually a misconception. It doesnt mathematically thin your deck.
>>97242307>the insult actually got to him kekyes continue to give more credit to your overhyped side chick (duals) instead of the real hardworking employee (fetches) in making you look good at work, you retard lol
>>97242159>Surveil>Deck thinning>Top deck manipulation >Landfall>Contributes to Threshold, Delve, and other yard mechanics >Fixed color better in any deck that's more than 2 colors. >Immune to certain forms of nonbasic hate >Makes the best lands even better.Fetches are better. There's a reason a ton of vintage decks run more fetches than og duals
>>97242320Contine to keep melting down because you lost the argument.
>>97242211Norins running because he saw his Aunt
>yet another episode of retards arguing that duals are better than fetchesreminder that proxytards actually agree that fetches are stronger than duals, that's why they're so adamant in normalizing proxied duals, "they're just lands dude they don't even fuel my grave strats"ofc that doesn't change the fact that a little bit here and a little bit there cascades into proxied LEDs and cradles, but proxyfags aren't known for their long term thinking
>>97242333>the boysOpinion discarded
>>97242328you see anyone here agreeing with you?thought somerry christmas moron haha
>>97242333>I lost the argument, better break the chain and act like I won after not giving any actual argumentation.Unironic leftist troon behavior.
>>97242341>random political shitAnd he did win now. Rightist
>>97242341the fact that you didn't even reply to >>97242323 proves just how much of a troon you are lol
>>97242339>Argumentum ad populumYou've already conceded. You don't need to double down with fallacies.
>me when I use proxies and stomp anons face in
>>97242353>he admits to being all alonehahaha yes anon you're the only smart one here kekw
>>97242364>literal twitch emotes on 4chanNot even that guy but pls kill yourself
>>97242367imagine liking doctor who though
>>97242370Imagine liking THE BOYS
https://moxfield.com/decks/HT2naJ_23Uq_Tx3DIKfNMwShould I add true duals or fetchlands to this?
>>97242218that hangover still pounding away then
>>97242333I know it is shitposting but I'll never get the "only 500 dollar cards are proxied" thing. I don't think I have one card in my deck valued over 20 dollars.I've seen people proxy Nekusar, a 2 dollar card.
>>97242372ok sure 13th doctor whatever you say
>>97242380>I've seen people proxy Nekusar, a 2 dollar card.it's either they have a hatred of wotc so big it overrides common sense, or they really don't know any better
>>97242346Why would I waste my time when he closed his argument that can just be debunked with an easy search of latest top vintage?They run more duals or equal amounts of duals to fetches.The reason they do this is to get the right colors for their combos, but their combos only work because the true duals come in untapped to be used immediately without downside.
>>97242385I'm going to buy a card, even a 2 dollar card in the "I might like this deck" phase. I'll proxy it until I think it's worth buying.
>>97242380>>97242385There's nothing to get, and it's got nothing to do with hatred of WOTC or not knowing any better: Proxy users are lying about what they intend to proxy because they want to not be judged for counterfeiting cards. If they didn't care about being judged they would just sharpie over an existing real basic land and say "this is my proxy", which is what I have done multiple times in the past when I'm missing a card for a deck which is otherwise good to go. But they don't want to "just play" they want to possess a deck with premium/prestige printings and not to be called out for having the MTG equivalent of a fake LV
>>97242388and yet instead of running 4x duals 4x shocks the average legacy dimir tempo deck runs 4x duals 8x fetchestotally have nothing to do with blood moon and brainstorm, right? hahahaha
>>97242392
>>97242388nta but you don't play vintage and aren't going to debunk me because you're arguing from a place of zero experience. here's my last vintage event:https://www.mtggoldfish.com/tournament/2025-asia-vintage-championship#paperfeel free to start reading. Here's 1st place mana base as a reference. tons of lists you see are some variation of the following:>4 sea>4 polluted delta>0-2 Tarn>0-2 Verdant >0-2 rainforest>1+ surveil>Island>4x wastes
>>97242409It's funny you post that cuz at least anecdotally Asian guys are way more likely to be proxygays
>>97242394>Why is the deck running only 4 true duals in dimir?! HahahhahahaBecause 4 is the limit. If they could run more they would. The 4 true duals are the most important thing in their deck because it's all they need to cast in the right colors.The fact they need 8 fetches just to get to those 4 lands speaks volumes about how important those 4 lands are and how powerful they actually are.Good try though.
>>97242410>This is me!Terrible .
>>97242414Hoshoryu does not have time for such childish games as "magic"
>>97242415>4 is the limit>completely missed out on 4x duals 4x shocksembarrassing displayreminder to everyone that brainstorm was a shit card before onslaught was printed all the way back in 2002
>>97242392This is why boobie proxy users are objectively morally superior people to changbootlickers.They are making it blatantly clear they are not playing with real cards
>>97242420That's the deck that won. I played 4c oath. >>97242388Before you say 2-color, check the 4-color oath decks too. It's split down the middle between more fetches to more revised duals.
>>97242420>The guy that won eternal weekend has built a terrible mana base according to some magic hobo that can't even win a round of commander
>retards are trying to argue abu duals are better than fetchesThese have to be the same "people" that cry about edgar markov being op
Inkjet printer master race
>>97242430No, they're just morally bad on a very different axis because about 99% of coometteposting is done purely performatively to try and aggravate people. For example, Coomette's etsy has done about 7k sales this year, which is probably a six-figure business and great personal profit to Coomette but uh thats just not really moving the needle at large.
>>97242440
>>97242410> swamp 0.00> island 0.00Fake pricing / fake listBasic lands cost 5 cents
>>97242442>No one uses them though
>>97242449Look, I'd be embarrassed. I am the main character of life and all views and opinions flow from me. Obviously no one else would differ from me, because I am the hero of the world.
>>97242449I assume people do use them, but people POST about them far more than they are used. And that posting is done mostly to try and annoy people. It's sort of the inverse of the counterfeiter proxyfaggot: Where the counterfeiter wants nobody to know they are proxying their cool prints, the coombaiter wants everybody to know what their proxy is.
>>97242454>And that posting is done mostly to try and annoy people.So exactly like the proxy hate shit
>>97242442You wouldnt care if the coomette proxies were male instead of female
>>97242460Probably some of it, yeah.>>97242461Yes, I would.
>>97242461correct
>>97242464>someAllYou're not convincing me this shit doesn't just come from this guy >>97242333 because it gets responses and arguments. It is always the exact same posting style.
>>97242454I post whenever they are warranted, when I post a shitty booby proxy I know some people will be annoyed, but their autism isn't my problem. They're in my deck, that I use, that I post in response to IRL deck posts.
>>97242470If you're posting the actual card then I wouldn't fault you, though some anons would still.
>>97242469>muh samefagloli personally don't call out coomette because at least they don't lie about their cards being fake and them being a coomer/profiting off of fellow coomers is an entirely different discussion
>>97242470>that I post in response to IRL deck posts.SPEAKING OFPost di-ecks
>proxy deck to see if I like it>take it apart and reuse the proxys for new decks if I don't like it, gradually replace proxys for real cards if I do> if anyone crys about "muh high dollar card proxys" show them my real high dollar reserved list cards>poor nerds have nothing they can cry about and silently seethe while I play my led and fetch my badlands
Only time I ever saw someone in person even make a slightly anti-proxy joke, the rest of the table mad dogged them until they shrunk into a corn cob.
>>97242491>gradually replace proxys for real cards if I dothat has always been the proper use of proxysfor all the "muh social contract" battlecries, people forget that there is also a "social contract" that you have the disposable income/do have an intention to eventually buy a proxied card
>>97242491I had this once with my bayou. Only time it happened where someone didn't accept "I'm not using a 300+ dollar in my deck" and asked me to prove it.I was then worried about someone stealing my bag after I produced it all night.
>>97242497It's why I always sit on the side of the table next to the wall, prevents egress. Never had a Bayou but I did have textured foil Spider-Man worth about $650
>>97242493did that happen at an LGS?would said LGS happen to sell food?guess what, that LGS isn't in the card game business and could care less if everyone played with sharpied cardboard
>>97240193Geuinely would have never pegged Thromok as a Terese Nielson piece.
>>97242503Stores don't hire someone to go into the back and watch for proxies. They need 8 guys just to handle the front desk>do they sell foodI mean like chips, sure? Every LGS I have ever been to does.
>>97242510it's either your LGS is a glorified cafe for nerds or the owner is failing to curate their patrons, proxyfags aren't known for buying booster boxes
>>97242516MTG players aren't known for buying 7000 dollar graded pokemon cards.
>>97242490> iron maiden sldHello, based department?
>>97242516holy moot you're mentally ill
>>97242520I don't even like Grave Titan in the deck but I'm using it for the sick art.
>>97242502> soulless spiderslop card worth more than og dualIts OVER
>>97242518but mtg players are known for buying black lotuses and $2k chase cards of IPs with far lesser prestige than pokemon
>>97242503Most lgs make their money selling cards online, I doubt most give a shit if the players come and buy anything besides snacks and entry's for events. But besides that proxy players still play, and make it more attractive for people who dont proxy to come in and play and maybe buy some product.
>>97242526And a lotrslop card is worth more than a pristine 10 alpha lotus
>>97242527I like how they didn't even bother to give this good art.
>>97242526It's not if it's not heavily damaged my like bayou.
>>97242528Most make their money selling accessories and shit. Not singles.And most LGS' are not solely pigeon holed in cards. Every LGS I have been to has multiple item types. Be it board games, war gaming, or even sports cards.Singles are a terrible idea to try and make your money. One day a card gets banned and WHOOPS you just lost thousands on the stock you were holding. Accessories and the like are not volatile.
>>97242528>Most lgs make their money selling cards onlineso why have a physical store then?>I doubt most give a shit if the players come and buy anything besides snacks and entry's for eventsexactly my point, the LGS is a glorified nerd cafe>make it more attractive for people who dont proxy to come in and play and maybe buy some product.if the proxyfags can't handle an anti-proxy joke and thus pushing away paying customers of legit cardboard that's bad for business
>>97242536The one I go to that's been in business since the 90s makes most of their money moving singles online. But the owner has been buying and selling since alpha and found a sealed judge promo cradle in his collection a few months back so that's probably why
> omen paths 2Marvel bros... it keeps happening...
>>97242545more Fleem incoming!
>>97242540This has to be one of the most profoundly stupid posts I've read on this site. Don't open a business you'll go bankrupt in under a year.
>>97240354My brother-in-law got me the Avatar bundle and one of the scene boxes. My mother-in-law got me a camera bag that I had mentioned to my wife. I'm a very happy guy today.
>>97242554you'd think proxyfags would have the brain capacity to understand that they are basically F2P players for whales to play with to keep the game going, but given how they froth at the mouth for being slightly ribbed for being poor i'm inclinded to believe that you yourself are a dumb proxyfag and thus are to be laughed at accordingly, lol
>>97242528Are you like actually retarded
>>97242545
>>97242561You have a perfect life. Im jealous
>>97242562>y-youre poorSad cope, I own all my cedh staples, I'm just not buying them twice lol
>>97242580>Sad cope, I own all my cedh staples, I'm just not buying them twice lolNice deflection. Post your W2 form.
>>97242527Why the fuck are they making UB avatar and UB TMNT instead of UB Dragonball or UB JJK that would actually sell?
>>97242582>just dox yourself S E E T H I N G
>>97242586Dragonball isnt mtg adjacent and no one knows what JJK is.>B..but turtles arent mtg adja...Bloomburrow.
>>97242590I don't remember there being any turtles in bloomburrow but I also didn't interact with that set much
>>97242490Three dog and then the 10 copies of each aura and all the tokens I need for the deck.
>>97242590JJK is magic users, the most popular current shonenslop. DBZ is more magic adjacent than Spiderslop.
>>97242586Dragonball has a TCG and JJK is probably a licensing nightmare (and may have already licensed out the rights to Weiss-Schwarz, I haven't checked)
>>97242582>Post your W2 form.>most of his income isn't on 1099sTell me you're poor without saying that you're poor.
>>97242606JJK is a finished series. Not a lot of places to go with it unless whatever company got the rights to expand the universe themselves.
>>97240354I got to make and eat dinner with my friends and family before watching Frankenstein and The Muppet Christmas Carol.>b-but presentsGrew out of that phase a decade ago.
>97242603Proof they are just trying to be obnoxious
ok guys what should I do? I started playing edh again a few months ago. I have 5 decks now but each deck has about 10 proxy cards because Im not willing to pay 50 bucks for a card. I still enjoy it tho that most of my cards and real because it just feels right and looks better too. now I could just go on like this and buy more cards for more decks or I could use that money to slowly, over time, replace the proxy cards in my 5 decks and maybe foil them out too.at what point did you stop making new decks? I feel like even 5 decks are a lot for me right now. I only play for a few hours once a week so I can not play all of them in one evening.pic related, my latest commander
>>97242586>Sukuna's Finger>{1}>Artifact - Food Clue Treasure>Your deck may contain up to 20 cards named Sukuna's Finger.>T, sacrifice this card: Add 1 mana of any color.>2, T, sacrifice this card: Draw 1.>2, T, sacrifice this card: Gain 3 life.>When this card is sacrificed, exile it. Then, if you have 20 cards exiled named Sukuna's Finger, you win the game.
>>97242625I TIRED to buy a deck box that only held 6 decks.so I would stay a 6.That lasted about a 4 months, now I have 13.I don't feel the need to make a new deck until I see a commander that interests me. I just happened to see Guile last night, so I'm probably going to build that soon..
>>97242625Once I hit 10 decks I started using my money to either fill out the decks I really enjoyed or took apart the decks I found myself not playing often.
I want to build Uro. Between his escape cost and him innately providing an advantage engine, I think playing a spellslinger/tempo list with a lot of instants could be fun. Any suggestions?
Be honest: How many lands do you actually need?
>>97242610There's an ongoing JJK sequel currently being published in Jump you noobs.The only excuse Wotc has for not making UB Shonen Jump already is if Jump refuses to license their IPs to them.
>>97242606
>>97242608Dont make me post it.All the ESLs in chat would have their heads explode
>>97242625>I have 5 decks now but each deck has about 10 proxy cards because Im not willing to pay 50 bucks for a cardProxy fags:> we proxy 2$ cards!Also proxy fags:> I have 10 50$ proxies in my decks
>>97242655When I built him I ran a lot of self mill cards and control pieces but the deck never functioned like I wanted. Without black or white it lacked cheap reanimation to abuse the etb and always fell behind other simic decks that could do what uro did better, quicker. I took it apart because you either have to choose between having something unique but rarely fires or a generic simic valueslop pile that has growth spiral in the command zone.
>>97241281This is why I advocate removing the banlist or at least all the cards banned for power level. Ante, dexterity and those saga cards have no place. I think only Channel is the only card that should stay banned for a power level.
>>97242672>Wizards are cowards fro not catering to me!This general has a lot of psychopaths.
>>9724267034.
>>97242692>I DESERVE to have powerful and expensive cards because other people bought or got lucky enough to pull them
Im gonna do it.Im gonna invest.
