Previous Thread: >>97283087>Most recent bracket system updatehttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/commander-brackets-beta-update-october-21-2025>Outline article introducing the bracket systemhttps://magic.wizards.com/en/news/announcements/introducing-commander-brackets-beta>Current banlisthttps://magic.wizards.com/en/banned-restricted-list#commander-banned>Former Commander website, where you can learn the basics, and read the format philosophy laid down by the rules committeehttps://mtgcommander.net>Statistically see what everyone else puts in their commander decks based on what is posted to the internethttps://www.edhrec.com>Learn about PDH, Commander's budget pauper formathttps://pdhhomebase.com/https://www.pdhrec.com/>Deck list site: You can search for decks that other people have made. Authors often have comments that explain their deck strategy and card choiceshttps://www.archidekt.comhttps://www.moxfield.comhttps://www.tappedout.net>Find out what lands you can add to your deck, sorted by category, based on a chosen color identityhttps://managathering.com>Card searchhttps://scryfall.com>Proxy a deck or a cube for cheaphttps://pastebin.com/9Xj1xLdM (embed)>TQDo you play online (Spelltable, Tabletop Sim) at all or only in person?
This fucker is lethal.
>TQ: I play spelltable a lot and it fucking sucks. Bottom of the barrel quality players. Most of them are high. And naturally stupid.
>>97292222He's SO fucking good I cannot get over it. A basic ass $30 Lifelink Tribal deck just slays the entire table. This guy's emblem is the most lethal thing ever when combined with effects like Vengeant Vampire
>>97292222Too bad hes not Orzhov or Golgari
Magus of the Chains never
Thirty (30) starting life is objectively superior to fourty (40)
>>97292222>implying that little nigga would ever hit meI shiggy
This looks kinda busted. Evoke is one of my all time favorite mechanics.
>>97292419MH3 elemental tribal
>>97292439Hopefully we get a Solitude reprint in the precon.
>>97292222Every one who uses this card in this thread has me to thank.
evoke her? I never knew her!
>>97292419>kamikaze double ETB elementals>R4X colorsi really hope the alt commander redeems this slop
>>97292419>cheat in elementals>can make a token copy >it gets haste>still get the LTB trigger>wubrg in the ability just becauseI'm tired, boss
>>97292467it's just evoking her, it's not like you're voking her irl
>>97292484It's WURBG so you can put all the elementals there, obviously. It would be shit if it didn't have all of them, and if she was WURBG herself the card would be unplayable.
>>97292491Yeah, it's an obvious case of them having to play around color identity yet again. They wanted to have an Elemental deck, they wanted to have Ashling as the face of it, so they have to put the symbols there in the card *somehow.*
>>97292491This card is fucking insane and has no reason to be WUBRG. It'd be novel if it just had that first line of text and was, say, temur. As-is it's extremely pushed slop that can combo or drown the table in value if you sneeze.
>>97292549>It'd be novel if it just had that first line of text and was, say, temur.If it had the first line it would be complete garbage because no Evoke cost in the game would give a singular fuck about the discount. You'd be paying 3 mana to get literally nothing.>As-is it's extremely pushed slop that can combo or drown the table in value if you sneeze.Are you stupid? Have you seen what Evoke cards are like? Oh woop dee doo, by 1RR sorcery speed deal 6 damage becomes doubled and I gain a mid as fuck body. I can think of like 10 other commanders who produce an army of 20/20s or draw 40 cards with the same effort.
>>97292549>is this... a 2/2 with flying???? with haste????>AIEEEEE SAVE ME WOTC-SAMA
>>97292579she cute
>>97292570>>97292579Anons I beg you re-read the fucking card.
>>97292549You tell me right now how it combos>>97292628I read it nigga
>>97292467New Ashling is so busted. Anyone who wants that precon and hasn't already preordered it needs to do so before the full decklist is released. She's nutso busted and instantly the best elemental tribal commander. Precons are always worth more as singles than they're sold at, so any pricey reprints are just going to be gravy
>>97292614>she cuteWait til you see the Shriekmaw rule 34
when is the next unban announcement again?people are buying every dockside under $7do some people know something?
>>97292636People wanting to play her should also order a copy of pic related. It's probably going to be the best non-combo wincon of the deck, and it feels somewhat unlikely to get reprinted. And if it does get reprinted, you only lost a dollar or two.
>>97292635You didn't because you're talking about evoke cards when they have nothing to do with you. This gives your ELEMENTAL cards evoke, you retard. You're not running spitebellows.
I'm happy for new Ashling.I'm happy we even got a blue Ashling in the main set.But I want an Ashling for every color identity and an upgrade on pic related. Old single opponent design really shines through in this one. Could they not just Oracle it to be "each opponent"? Rankle&Torbran already does more on contact than pic related and its only something like 1700 in top commanders.
>>97292655>It's so heccin broken it combos so hard bro>tell me how*incoherent schizobabble yelling at hallucinations*Blocked.
>>97292655Now what?We're even in WUBRG so I'll just idyllic tutor this baby up if it's not in my opening hand.
>>97292655>calling someone else a retard about spitebellows not being an elementalClassic /EDH/core response
>>97292675???I'm saying you're not running spitebellows because he sucks ass.
I'm happy for color breaksI'm happy we even get color breaks in universe nowBut I want a clor break of every character and powercreep over old ones. I can't wait for reality fracture set!
>>97292671>tutor up a 4 mana leyline so your commander can start to make temporary copies of creatures IF you pay their evoke costbruh for 4 mana i can just copy shit outright and its never been a problem
>>97292699t. maro
>>97292419This is just one of those commanders you always have to kill on sight or you'll lose when they untap.
>>97292699What color breaks are you talking about lmaoThe temporary tokens in red?The -1/-1 counters and lifeloss in jund?
>>97292711>double up ETBs/LTBs of a specific tribe when you pay a specific cost and create one (1) shitty temporary body>kill on sightgod you're all so fucking bad at this game
>>97292682>deal 6 damage each to 2 creatures>also get to swing for 6>probably a bunch of miscellaneous synergies with the 99>for 1RR or 4It's probably going to be good in enough for bracket 2/3 Ashling decks and I'd bet it's probably in the precon too
>>97292722That's all IF your commander is online, otherwise it's a pretty shit removal spell or a cartoonishly overcosted creature.
I need this sperg to tell me what's so combo time broken or I'm kicking him from the chat
>>97292740Double Reveillark.
>>97292720It's got the same snowball effect as slop like Jodah. They untap, cast Maelstrom Wanderer for 4 mana, and rape you in the ass. Not even going into effortless Food Chain/sac outlet engines.
>>97292739>That's all IF your commander is online,Oh yeah man, a 3 mana commander in WUBRG??? How will I ever get that on board? And protecting it??? Fuggedaboutit
>>97292419I really like this card. The other commander in Jund is very goth, ugly and mean and reeking of death, blight and despair. This is the vibrant flamboyant happiness, limitless optimism to defeat the shadow,
>>97292748Oh holy shit I thought it was 4 mana. This card is even more absurd lol
>>97292748A card that is unplayable garbage when your commander is offline is not a good card. Decks that hinge entirely on their commanders and shut down otherwise are bad.
>cast Ashling>cast AnimarOops I guess I'm double evoking my shit for 0 now
4+ colors should be banned
>>97292757As opposed to just casting Animar, and casting your shit for free anyway...?
>>972927551RR for 6 damage to a creature is fine. 12 damage for 1RR and a 6/1 token with haste is excellent>Decks that hinge entirely on their commanders and shut down otherwise are bad.You have no idea what the deck does because the list isn't out. You were just given O N E example of a good synergy, and now you're mad.
>>97292714hello, MaNo! please reread character lore before designing cards, THANK YOU
People get lost in the weeds. Ashling isn't some god-tier CEDH raping meta ruiner. It's just going to ruin casual games, which is the backbone of the format. Just going t:elemental in scryfall shows you how you're winning in fucking WUBRG.
>>97292745>They untap, cast Maelstrom Wanderer for 4 mana, and rape you in the assSo your idea of a combo is to cast an 8 mana card... for 7 mana over two turns?Is casting Seething Song to cast Maelstrom Wanderer your idea of a combo?
>>97292743Reveillark is already busted. That's like spazzing out when a counters commander is printed because persist combos.
>>97292763Ashling lets you ignore colored pips for elementals and doubles your ETBs for them. Both are really strong commanders but if you get both in play it's insane.
Blood Moon and Magus of the Moon are not fucking land destruction and I am sick and tired of retards like Gavin and Reddit shitters throwing a shitfit over their greedy manabases and goodstuff piles getting fucked over because they don't pack interaction.
Wait, you guys don't get it keep your evokes on the board while doubling the triggers?LAWL.Wonder if he's going to go up in price, probably not.
Hes right, that Ashling is mid. Its not really that amazing.
>>97292767>wtf why is the elemental tribe leader using the elemental mechanic???>why is the goblin tribe leader using the goblin mechanic????
>>97292771yes
>>97292771Are you that blind to why this creates poor play patterns? If this comes out turn 3 (more likely turn 2 with the glut of 1-mana dorks) and untaps with 4 mana on turn 3 you need to prepare your anus.
>>97292419How well would it do in sacrifice deck?
>>97292785This. Yes it's valueslop, but that's par for the course. I'm not seeing the freakout man i don't get it. Kid is acting like she just made a new elemental tribal kci archetype or something when it's just >do thing but twiceYawn
>>97292419only good part of this card is when you sacrifice line, I won't be using that for elementals I'll be turning everything either into an elemental or changing it with artificial evolution. Pure combo piece with high potential for abuse with other creature types and token doublers.
>with your t4 Maelstrom Wanderer on the stack I pay one(1) White(W) manaNice "combos" champ.
>>97292798see ---> >>97292810
Can someone tell me what these combos are besides "this well established combo goes in the deck."Feels like I'm retardville rn
>>97292794Satoru Umezawa can drop turn 3 and then have the Eldrazi Titan of your choice drop turn 4 if nobody does anything. Whoop dee doo.
>>97292823Yeah but that's a GAME BUSTING COMBO GG SO BROKEN
>>97292768This desu. The card is looking like it's poised to be like Bello or Hearthhull where it's one of the top precons of the year and doesn't require many upgrades to be an archenemy-level commander in many play groups.And honestly I'm happy for that, I've wanted a good Elemental tribal slop commander for a long time. Horde of Notions felt almost comically bad in the meta of recent years.
>>972928222 or more cards that may or may not go infinite but put you into a game winning position when they interact with one another.
>>97292775based goodpille fucker.i run picrel in my mono coon deck and get the same reaction.even had a fag claiming it should be a (((gc))) lmao
Thank God I play removal in my decks. I don't know how you niggers live being so afraid of cards with text.
>>97292768>Ashling isn't some god-tier CEDH raping meta ruiner.Don't think anyone has said that, they've just said she's busted and will easily be the more expensive precon of the 2.>It's just going to ruin casual games, which is the backbone of the format.Yes, which accords with her being busted. Things can be busted in different ways.She's also going to be the ONLY viable elemental commander for a long time. I can't even think of one that comes close and there's a WUBRG one that's just strictly worse.Elementals are a powerful tribe so she's likely to be relatively pricey. Probably around $10 for a long time if faerie commanders are comparable.
>>97292794>drop this turn 3>create an Etali token turn 4yeah such game ruining play patterns right
Can you imagine it? A commander that gives you a lot of value and enters turn 3? This couldn't possibly ever happen.
>omg the new Ashling is so busted you do THING TWICE at a reduced cost!>It's going to DESTROY casual players!Meanwhile
>>97292666It doesn't combo, it's just pretty strong.
>>97292863>7 mana>9 to transform
>>97292844All those different borders upset me but nice collection
>>97292860in greasefangs defense it is pretty funny to repeatedly discard and reanimate a parhellion.
>>97292883too bad it sucks
>>97292881birds turn 1, somberwald sage turn 2, etali turn 3.
>drops turn 3>sac'd >brings back Valgavoth or Etali turn 4unprecendented, right?
>>97292863casual tables don't run the ramp necessary to get it out and flicker/ him turn 3
>>97292878So what's that guy spazzing about
>>97292899>sac'dHow?
>>97292901Why not?
>>97292914I just have it, okay?!
>>97292914Viscera Seer I dropped turn 2 or just Flare of Malice :)
>>97292921because they get mad and make you sit at bracket 4
>>97292914in black and red you have tons of free sac options.
>>97292909I don't know, I guess just cause it's strong. Cascades for 8 twice with this guy I guess. Atla seems a lot better to me.
Thoughts?
>>97292863>this other gay boring slop means we need MORE gay boring slopPost your commanders anon
>>97292929If the height of the combo is doing what the card already does on its own but with a discount of 1 I'm not impressed honestly.
>>97292926But that's not the rules
>>97292928>>97292923So you're running sac outlets, discard/mill/whatever to get things in graveyards, and big creatures, and have them all in your opening hand, along with the lands to play them? Consistantly?
Turn 3 drop this. Turn 4 swing and call 5. Any responses?
>>97292933Totally missing the point and attacking hallucinations again schizo award
>>97292942what part of "I always have it" do you not understand?
>>97292937A discount of 4, not 1, so you pay 4 to cascade for 8 twice.It's good, but really there just aren't that many elementals that can take advantage of it.
>>97292944Yes, I ring up Virginia police and get you sent back to prison, bossman. Stop buying crack on stream.
>>97292942I mean, it doesn't seem a tougher ask then "have the sole good elemental in hand and not the 37384834 draft chaff ones, every time, guaranteed"
>wins the game turn 1Nothing personnel
>>97292933NTA but
>>97292952>It's good, but really there just aren't that many elementals that can take advantage of it.Except all those elementals with ETBs....
>>97292218>TQOnly in person.Only with people I know or with people my friends have vouched for.Only at my house or a friend's house.
>>97292958Getting your moneys worth out of that 3d printer I see
>>97292958Commander has gone too far.
>>97292960Like...?
>>97292968Oh yeah. Lots of other stuff too. Now I paint them it's good fun. I should paint more of them
>>97292973Like >>97292579 which will surely have a devastating impact on the board I'm sure
>>97292944You should give him lifelink, then yeah, always call 5.
Im gonna post my commanders
>>97292953>Sit down with my Yusri deck at a new LGS>All of my opponents are playing Marrow Gnawer
>looking at pedh commanders>some color trios have 10, most only have 3 >there are 0 4 color pedh commandersweird stuff
Pedophile EDH?
>>97292926Are you sure about that?
>>97293004why does every new art of radha increase her mass exponentially
>>97293008She's of growing concern
>>97293008Women are getting bigger
>>97292973Roughly 164 of themhttps://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Aelemental+o%3Aenters+-o%3Alandfall&unique=cards&as=grid&order=edhrecShould probably just learn Scryfall instead of asking to be spoonfed breh
>>97293008She's getting stronger.
>>97292998Lolcow precons when
>>97292662Who knows? Maybe we'll get an Ashling for every color in the precon too.
What happens if you apply token conversion (e.g. Jinnie Fay) to a token doubling infinite?If you make a token copy of Doubling Season, as far as I can tell you immediately produce an infinite number of Doubling Season tokens; and since it's all doublings of a single original token, they'd all be created as a single batch.Anyway, how would this work with token conversion? Jinnie Fay can only convert whole batches at a time, but since it's still resolving as the batch reaches infinite size, theoretically she can convert the infinite-batch? Which means creating infinite Doubling Season tokens, letting them function as Doubling Seasons, then suddenly they're not Doubling Seasons and instead an infinite number of cats/dogs?I wanted to ask if it works this way because while it's the only way I can see to interpret the rules, the mechanics seem janky even for an infinite.
>>97292775Is there any meaning to the numbers here?
>>97293004Women are hot when covered in blood.
>>97292963I like that Tyranid token. Been meaning to scribble up some tokens with those blank inserts they used to pack.
>>97293037Yes. It says: if you don't respond to this your mother will die in her sleep tonightNeat easter egg.
>>97293035I doubt it, especially since Rimebound is in the main set and they kind of cucked by making her a transform rather than a standalone monoblue
>>97293036An infinite batch wouldn't ever finish resolving, would it? The effects would never finish applying. The same way Cage of Suns + Toph, First Metalbender immediately ends the game.
>>97293049GOD DAMN YOOOOU
>>97293019I meant with good effects that cost more than 4, anon.
>>97293047#freebleed
>>97293056>Rimebound is in the main setOh. Yeah I forgot about that. Well fuck. Admittedly I was sort of looking forward to seeing how a mono color version of these could come out but I guess that's shot. at best they'd be two colors.
>>97293063Okay.https://scryfall.com/search?q=t%3Aelemental+o%3Aenters+-o%3Alandfall+mv%3E%3D4+&unique=cards&as=grid&order=edhrec
>>97293075Yeah they're going in on this transform thing. I don't mind it, I think its fun enough, but monocolor ashlings are cardboard kino
>t:equipment>o:token>o:mirrodin>o:living>o:jobWhat else is there for living weapons?
>>97293008>they are mostly shit or already have evokeWow
>>97293084All those mythic cycles, this deck is going to be incredibly expensive
Honestly the problem with Ashling is that she leaves you completely wide open. Most Elementals don't make creature tokens or anything that can stick around as a blocker and everything she makes will probably blow up at turn end.
>>97293036>If you make a token copy of Doubling Season, as far as I can tell you immediately produce an infinite number of Doubling Season tokensNo, you'd make double of however many tokens.>make a cope of doubling season>instead make two>two enter>nothing else happens>next time you make a token you make 8 instead
>>97293093otag:living-weapon finds them all. Dunno what else you're asking for
>>97293091Yeah I can work with transforming. I like the way some of these transforming cards play out. Been hoping meld would make a comeback. I guess they can probably do something with each face being a version that would have been mono color.
>>97293099If they reprint Beza into the precon I will shit my pants live at the LGS
>>97293084I know how tobuse scryfall, faggot. I'm asking you to give me some with actually good effects, ones worth paying 4 for to have it die.
>>97293116Being able to cast either side of the Lorwyn transforms would go really hard but I doubt we're going to get it. Rimebound doesn't have a mana cost.
>>97293130>I know how tobuse scryfall, faggot. I'm asking you to give me some with actually good effectsIt's sorted by EDHREC rank. I don't know what more you want from me. Just looking at the top 20 plenty of these see play in non-elemental decks so they're pretty good. 20 creatures is already a lot for 1 deck, sooooooooooo>to have it die.>noooooo my pwecious cweatuuuuures!!!!Oh I get it now, you're really fucking new aren't you? Buddy in this game, there's a thousand ways to play that will make creatures more useful to you dead. The even made a whole archetype about it called "aristocrats"I hope that helps.
>>97293104I wouldn've thought it'd work that way, but I got the idea from a video of someone making that token in online where it went infinite and hit the token limit.So either online didn't resolve it correctly, or that's just how it works.
>>97292419A good reminder to pick up Havoc Eater now. This card is a beast in casual tables and it's really easy to slap it down as a gigantic hasted beater with Ashling. The goad is just gravy.
How do I buy this
>>97293167With money
>>97293115https://moxfield.com/decks/4A6Rz8ZLSky1b3oov7fW0wthanks
>>97293140I'll go through them then>mulldrifterAlready has evoke for 3>titania: return a land from gy to playShit>bane of progress: destroy all artifacts and enchantmentsIt's okay>lumra: mill 4 then return all landsShit>soul of the harvest: no effectlel>shreikmawAlready has evoke for 2>solitudeAlready has evoke for 0>battle>sunspire lynxAlready costs 4>rottonmouth viperHas a built in cost reducer>elugeCosts 4>fecund greenshell: look at top card of library, put into play if landMuch better when it stays in play since it's repeatable and only costs 5>furyEvoke zero>regal force: draw a card for each green creatureIn a 5 color deck it's meh.And so on.
>>97293130Anon is about to discover why pic related is banned lmao
>>97293188Anon explain to me why it matters if they evoke themselves for less than 4? The double triggers and the token with haste are the meat on Ashling. Are you diagnosed retarded? If you are you have to tell me.
>>97293193Flash hulk, I am well aware. That's not an elemental.>>97293201I thought we were talking about it cheating things in. If all you're talking about is the double triggers not the cost reduction to cheat something in, there are other cards that functionally double etb triggers, and you don't always have to sac those creatures and end of turn.
RJeremy, the haterNonlegendary creature - Horror Advisor1/2If an ability would trigger, it now triggers an additional time and it's controller loses 1 life for each ability that triggered this turn. BBTesticular TorsionInstantEach player loses X life, where X is the number of abilities they had trigger this turn.
>>97292775So, I can run this and tell people to stop kvetching?
>>97293212>That's not an elemental.>>97292671
>>97292775No one said they are land destruction retard. Read the fucking brackets before you post dipshit.
Bought these today. Am making Koh, Grim Return just cause I saw it posted here and figured I should pick it up.
>>97293259>but if I happen to draw this one card or a tutor, and then also this other one card or a tutorAlso nonland tutors are cancer.
>>97293266Please walk me through it cause I don't understand how these interact in any particularly good way. What I see is:>koh exiles joodeh>pay 1 life, pay b, tap, create a copy of koh>legend rule, must sac one of them>sac something else as the effect resolves>???
>>97293254Why don't I ever hear anyone talk about this? This is so so much worse than blood moon, my god.
>>97293013Making me grow
>>97293174I mean like is it for sale or is it a special exclusive promo? I don't see it for sale anywhere
>>97293315Its easier to claim blood moon isn't MLD for whatever reason than this one which there isn't any real defense for. If you're not playing mono-black you're pretty much fucked. Can't even bait post with it, and if you can't bait what's the point of talking about it?
>>97293279>ohhhh noooo how will I tutor in WUBRG????>Also nonland tutors are cancer.Aaaand there's the cope.
>>97293323Yeah it looks like it's never been sold on CardMarket. Where did you even find that version? It has the SL symbol.
>>97293353Scryfall. It says "Planeswalker Championship Promo 2025"
played against a Helga deck today and holy fuck CANCER!
>>97293347>spend 2-4 to tutor protean hulk>spend 2-4 to tutor than enchantment>spend 4 to evoke protean hulk>"hahaha look at my combo"Outside of that, I just don't like tutoring. It's slow and boring. I have a Zur deck, it's really boring, and would be even more boring if I didn't play it the way I do. I used to have a bunch of tutors in another one of my decks for "more consistancy", but they were boring and then I found more cards that did the thing I needed so I replaced all the tutors.
>>97293262Oh sorry, let me spell it out for a disingenuous retard such as yourself;HURRDURR "MaSs LaNd DeNiAL."Go suck start a shotgun you pedantic faggot.
this doesn't need to be banned btw
>>97292222is he gonna be viable with lutri companion?
>>97293417I'm sure this is some kind of bait, but yeah, its draw is nice, but I don't see how really abusable it is. Its from a set that was fully nuked into the RL so rip.
>>97293167I know a guy
>>97293417Why is this all Arab themed? The Library was a Greek institution that was destroyed by Arabs.
>Wow, nice stax piece.I'm so done with my LGS.
>>97293417correct, but it will be always remain banned because it's reserved listrofellos and recurring nightmare will forever be banned accordingly
>>97293315>Why don't I ever hear anyone talk about this? This is so so much worse than blood moon, my god.oh NOW you're crying for Gavin to protect your ass (he also covers contamination with his definition of MLD btw)
>>97293439>Romans are ArabsBased? Woke? You decide!
>>97293507I never said that. I never wanted protection from anything, unban everything as far as I'm concerned, rule 0 covers it for me and my group. I'm just surprised this isn't banned considering everythin already on the banlist.
>>97293490that's a stax piece. not a back breaking one but it is one.
>>97293386If Flash were banned purely because of Protean Hulk then PH would be banned and Flash wouldn't need to be.
>>97293519I am so sick of this redditor trend that erupted post-Covid where any fucking speedbump that impedes someone even a fraction of an inch is a stax piece.Hatebears aren't fucking stax pieces.Stax means getting the game to a state where you literally can't do shit.Fuck off.
>>97293517>I'm just surprised this isn't banned considering everythin already on the banlistblame sheldon for thatanyways if you're going to invoke rule 0 then go live in an isolated basement for the rest of your magic life, the rest of normal society that play outside will move on with banlists/GCs as wotc envisions
>>97293530okay sperg whatever you say
>>97293521Right, I thought we were just talking about PT. If you just mean the card is broken with that card that makes all creatures the chosen type that'a fair enough. Chest in for 4 and get double etbs, that's really good, yeah.
>>97293386>tutorslop? EWWWWW>look at my deck full of drawslop instead!lmao
>>97293536>WAHHHHH YOURE NOT LETTING ME SWING WITH MY BAJILLION TOKENS>STAX STAX STAX>SAVE ME GAVIN AHHHHHHHHHHH>FUCKING PUBSTOMPERS GO PLAY CEDH THIS ISNT FAIRCancer like you is why the term "EDH-Only" has become a very real insult and the rest of the Magic community says EDH players don't actually know shit about Magic.
>>97293544>draw a random card in 1 secondvs>get the exact card you want and shuffle in 1 minuteBoring
>>97293555>do thing? draw card!mind blowing design
>>97293490But that's a pillowfort effect... people can srill play spells or whatever, no issue, they just can't attack as much. Voltrons decks should probably run it.
>>97293036>If you make a token copy of Doubling Season, as far as I can tell you immediately produce an infinite number of Doubling Season tokens;No. Replacement effects have a different timing from triggers. The tokens need to be in play before the event to double them, which means they cannot double their own creation event.
>>97293536I'd consider silent arbiter a pillowfort piece, not a stax piece.
>>97293511
>>97293560It's shit, but still better than>do thing, spend 5 minutes mulling through your whole deck deciding what card to tutor
>>97293572It had already burned once when Caesar visited, historylet
>>97293546anon it is a stax piece. this is the objective description of what it does. An effect that blocks off you enemies from performing actions or engaging properly in combat is stax. not a backbreaking or unfair one, but it's stax. it's like goblin guide being an aggro card or donate being a combo one. they are literally just describing the card
>>97293563It was some guy at my LGS who said it was stax.Which is baffling.
guys Im having so much fun playing my new Casal deck. how will I ever enjoy another color again?
>>97293573>tutors are boring because they find exactly what you need>the same tutors will somehow take you 5 minutes to find what you needprotip for retarded casuals: you actually don't need to shuffle every single time until it's absolutely necessary, for example you can fetch for a land then demonic tutor and only shuffle once, you can skip many shuffle effects this way
>>97293580green pound for pound/price to performance is just the best color in brackets 1-3, it's just no contest
>>97292419What elementals should I be looking for already?
>>97293049Does it really? Or are you just pulling my cock?
>>97293417it's racist
>>97293417There are more reasons then pure powerlevel to ban a card. all true duals should be banned too.
>>97293592>>97293592yea green is so amazing. it makes me so happy to either play expensive big creatures or expensive green spells like Last March of the Ents.also I love having ramp on my commander. I know there are better options but it was fun building a legendary archetype deck around her
>>97293632>all true duals should be banned too.No. All fetches should be banned.
>>97293576But he didn't destroy it. It remained afterward for centuries.
>>97293637True duals are simply boringly powerful which is worse then fetches.
What's a commander/deck that's unlike anything else in the game? I don't wanna do the same boring things as everyone else>ramp/card draw>big creatures/spells>infinite combosBooooring.
>>97293632Mindbogglingly retarded post.
>>97293637Fetches should have never been printed but because they're so powerful they permanently limited the game's design space.True duals should have never been printed because they simply trivialize manabases in a boring and uninteresting way. There are no cool interactions with the graveyard and the library, there are no life totals to manage, there is nothing. They just give you the mana of their colors with zero tradeoffs. They're a Black Lotus tier design mistake and they're just fucking boring while being one.
>>97293653
>>97293639Yeah bud, a LIBRARY that still stands after its contents have BURNED is basically fine, right?
>>97293653You could probably build a pretty good Tameshi deck in the mould of lantern control. Unconvential for commander to be sure.
>>97293660oh my god this sounds like it would make games take 10 fucking hours each. As much as it fits exactly what I'm looking for I would be hated out of my group
>>97293688I've never had very long games with him because he gets out of hand quick. Basic strategy is to copy him (there's a shit ton of legendary copiers now) and to copy/double his abilities. The effect gets out of control with multiple copies.Delney makes him go crazy.
>>97293698>copy effectsuh oh he'll call you boring
>>97293660>counts grouping spells EACH TURNI would flip the goddamned table if someone is making people guess piles several times every single turn. It should read "number of grouping spells cast this game" to speed it way the fuck up
>>97293708YOU WILL PICK THE PILESAND YOU WILL LIKE IT
we need to ban>sol ring>all true duals>mana drain>demonic tutor>chaos warp>beast within>mana tithe>smothering tithe>rhystic study>sylvan library>necropotence>underworld breach
>>97293713I WILL FUCKING DO IT I SWEAR TO FUCKING GOD
>>97293396>be wrong about useless stuff>sperg because useless stuff is all you haveGrim
>>97293507>>97293533Look how desperate this retard is for someone to argue with him
>>97293718>beast within
>>97293718>chaos warp>beast within>mana titheForget someone?
>>97293490This is stax yes. The larpers are getting very angry tonight.
WE MUST PROTECT GOODPILE STUFF FROM BEING DIDDLED
>>97293490I pity some of you guys.
>>97293733Yes. If I was god emperor of the world I would just compile every pie break in the game and have it banned but I'll content myself with the most egregious ones.Harmonize is onthin fucking ice btw
>>97293750begone to 60 card, colorpie fag.
>>97293750Based.
>>97293755>Cruelclaw>49 Mountains>49 Swamps>1 WorldfireIt's extremely tempting.
>>97293666I might do this. Not him, but ive had tameshi for a long time. Changed it lots, currently its just an unfinished stack of bounce spells and lands.
>>97293750>harmonize is on thin fucking ice btw
>>97293731i know you're seething because you can't argue yourself out of a paper bag but no one's going to do your job for you here, because guess what they know i'm right
>>97293768>upon being called out for his pathetic behaviour anon chooses to take pride in it and post his delusionsVery sad. No one wants to argue about brackets with you anon.
>casting Harmonize >in the holy year of 2026
>>97293315It's posted all the fucking time
>>97293773>he's THIS mad gavin wonkekw imagine being safe in his own rule zero containment chamber and still being mad
>>97293774It's not a matter of it being meta. It's a matter of principle.
>>97293773Because brackets are for children
>>97293790but enough about rule zero
Problem?
>>97293794urzabros...
>>97293794reminder to anons that every argument against phyrexian arena boils down to "mono black devotion is bad in casual"
>>97293774>6 mana>pic rel>>97293794Nope. It's still good.
Ahem, food token.
>>97293803The argument against Phyrexian Arena is that it's just really slow. It'll take 3 turns to go +1.
>>97293794Shit now. Shit then. Shit always
>>97293502There are reserved list cards that are banned.
>>97293805In the future, green will be able to generate 10 mana on turn one.
>>97293815FUCK YEAH!
>>97293744>Oh no, my giant board can't all attack when I cast craterhoof, reee! stax! unfair!
>>97293826anon stax is a description of cards. it's not inerently bad or good. I'm not complaining about the card and I don't mind it, it just objectively is a stax piece
>>97293830nta but not under my definition.
>>97293811>The argument against Phyrexian Arena is that it's just really slowis mono black devo supposed to be fast or something?
>>97293818anon this is /edhg/
Is fog stax? I mean it does stop you from doing something (dealing damage)
>>97293838it's generally not very good for a draw engine to take multiple turns just to be as good as casting Night's Whisper once, no matter how many black pips are on it.
>>97293720No, Thomas Shelby from the hit show Peaky Blinders---- don't do it!!
>>97293845Anything that stops anyone from doing anything is stax
>>97293845I mean, not really, given it's a temporary effect. Spamming fog over and over and over is a classic, though.
>>97293821Green can do that now.
>>97293849>it's generally not very good for a draw engine to take multiple turnslet's say you play arena on curve turn 3is the game over turn 6? yeah it's bad, because arena isn't fit for b3is the game over turn 8+? b2 is where arena gets to shine more, especially if you're a black deck that boardwipes a lotnow is mono black devo meta enough for b2? that's really the question>no matter how many black pips are on it.that's arena's saving grace if you draw it late game, fuel for gary
>>97293843*** are not banned
>>97293864did you know that no banned RL card was ever unbanned in the history of mtg?a loophole from before was to remove RL cards from the list but since that was closed there's just no hope for them, because wotc can never profit from RL via reprinting they have every incentive to never remind you that such a list even exists
>>97293863Yeah I guess that is fair. I don't think it's really that good outside of mono-B devotion because it has some stiff competition even in the "black enchantment draw engine" category with stuff like Black Market Connections, Necropotence/Necrodominance, Call of the Ring, etc, but in a slower game I can see it shining.
TICK TOCK TICK TOCK TICK TOCK
>>97293890Use this to ramp it out for extra spice
>>97293901This is a bad card btw
>>97293890>don't run removal?>psh, sorry kid
>>97293322I want coalition warlord radha with the outfit (and blood stains) of heir to keld
>>97293008>>97293013>>97293322
>>97293890RAKDOS ENCHANTRESS WHEN
>>97293890>>97293859Shit I kinda wanna build a deck with all these effects and just asymptote the entire table down to 1 in one turn
>>97293939Monumentally based
>>97293982Probably as close as it gets
>>97294015Whoa. Wonder how long it's going to take Wizards to break this part of the color pie as well
>>97294031terra's tights...
>>97294015I have a forced combat rakdos enchantress deck on Archidekt with Ghen as a shell, but I'd like them to print one for real.Amazingly, azorius actually has incredibly bad options for enchantress with only maybe 4 being viable, so I'd expect them to print a proper azorius enchantress before a rakdos one.If you're wondering they are>Heliod the Radiant DawnRecovers an enchantment from grave on ETB, better than nothing. Giving enchantments flash can be pretty useful to but that goes for basically any spell.>Hanna Ship's NavigatorDoo-doo garbage. 1WU to recover ONE enchantment from grave to HAND. Not even worth putting in the 99.>Bruna Light of AlabasterI built this one. Aura voltron for 6 mana. I don't hate it and azorius is good colors for self-mill to stock the grave for her to pull from, but anyone who lets her hit the board just isn't paying attention.>Stenn Paranoid PartisanCloud Key on a stick. Doesn't even name enchantments in his text, but azorius enchantress really is this desperate.>>97294031Which color is it you think would be a pie break to have enchantments? Red or black?
>>97294059>Which color is it you think would be a pie break to have enchantments?Rakdos. Fucking duh.
this guy and ape tribal looks like shit. why is he so popular? what am I missing?
>>97294066Why? Not only do red and black both have hundreds of enchantments each, but there's a dozen or more red AND black enchants.https://scryfall.com/search?q=c%3Drb+t%3Aenchantment&unique=cards&as=grid&order=nameWhy should there not be a card in rakdos that synergizes with a spell type all colors have access to?
>>97294078Putting +1/+1s on everything isn't a very common effect and you can force it to happen every turn or multiple times per turn with extra combats or any sort of artifact removal which gruul is very good at.
>>97294078Because he enables fun, and people like having fun. You should try it sometime, anon. You know, with your friends? ...you DO have friends, right??
>>97292759This but 3+ colors
>>97294095This is the kind of argument only a newfag could make
>>97292759>>97294112No, just ban all lands that can tap for more than 1 color. They wanna run 4-5c shitpile? Okay fucking work for it with basics
>>97294126she cute
>>97294126Unfortunately I totally copied some other anon's idea of Threaten Tribal so I have a deck built around stealing other people's commanders/big baddies and sac'ing them for bonuses
>>97294108yea I bet your opponents have a lot of fun when you destroy their sol rings and signets!!!>>97294107I see
>>97294119Not really. You have some kind of autism that means that because something hasn't been done it shouldn't be done, but it isn't based on anything.Each color has hundreds of enchantment cards, there is no reason enchantress commanders should be excluded from any color pair. It would be like saying one color pair shouldnt be allowed a commander that cares about casting spells on other players turns because instants are only a red-blue thing.
>>97292218>Do you play online (Spelltable, Tabletop Sim) at all or only in person?I used to play against my friends who like in the UK on spelltable during covid lock down but now I just play in person with my local friends, and sometimes LGS randos during prerelease.I'm working on this Stiltzkin deck and trying to make it good. Right now I can stax out a game and slow things down but I struggle to win the game. I'm thinking of removing the Torpor Orb Hushbringer anti ETB package and replacing it with Abdel Gorian blink combos and White Plume Adventurer for infinite blink wins. Does anyone have other ideas or would approach of the second sun just be better?Decklist:https://moxfield.com/decks/X1HVPP0mTkG26jT4_hcPgQ
>>97294138>color pie shouldn't exist because I said soYou need to be at least 18 years old to post here.
>Chatterfang player complains about krenko
>>97294143No, the idea the rakdos enchantress is a pie break is something that only exists in your autistic little head.Why print rakdos enchantments if that color pair isn't supposed to have enchantment synergies? You have no answer.
>>97294150>Wizards has never created a legendary around a color pair that doesn't have that identity>IT SHOULD HAPPEN BECAUSE I SAID SOWell if you think you're so correct, please explain why we still don't have one after over 30 years?
>>97294150Rakdos enchantress would just be something like whenever an enchantment enters the battlefield each opponent loses 2 life
>>97294157If you keep having to lie about what my points are, then you understand your own point is very weak.>please explain why we still don't have one after over 30 years?If we had a card for absolutely everything there would be nothing to print.I said earlier ITT that azorius doesn't even have a dedicated enchantress commander. This is weird because esper actually has several. Does the fact azorius doesn't have a bunch of enchantresses mean its a pie break for esper to have so many?>>97294164Nah it would probably be forced combat. I think it's very viable for it to be as simple as creatures your opponents control enchanted by auras you control are goaded, a bit like pic related. Maybe the commander would ping for damage when an aura you control hits grave.
>>97294164The safest and most boring option, which is why it's so surprising we haven't gotten some shitty uncommon with this ability
>>97294179Current DEI WotC's R&D team isn't creative enough to come up with anything better
>>97294196Can you come up with anything better?
>>97294164That's basically what grok came up with:Rakdos, the Captivating Demon {3}{B}{R}Legendary Creature — Demon NobleMenaceEnchantment spells you cast cost {1} less to cast.Whenever an enchantment enters the battlefield under your control, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.{1}{B}{R}, Sacrifice an enchantment: Each opponent discards a card. Activate only as a sorcery.5/5
>>97294208>AI slopoh my god fuck off
>>97294208>>97294212Here's what chatgpt came up with:Velyra, Bloodscript Temptress{2}{B}{R}Legendary Creature — Human WarlockMenaceWhenever you cast an enchantment, you may pay 1 life. If you do, each opponent loses 1 life and you create a Blood token.Whenever an enchantment you control is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, draw a card and Velyra deals 1 damage to any target.2/4“Every vow is written in blood. Most just don’t know whose.”
>>97294202>Whenever a creature you control that is enchanted dies, it deals damage equal to the mana value of all auras attached to it to target creature. If you sacrificed it, it deals that much damage to any target instead.>If you, or a creature you control is dealt damage this way, draw a card and return an aura from your graveyard to your hand.
>>97294217Sounds like I would actually, finally, enjoy building a voltron commander
>>97294213>>97294208>I have been given the chance to use my imagination to come up with something>So I used AI.
>>97294208>>97294213Damn those are so boring. Black has some excellent auras to put onto opponent's stuff. It would be a massive shame not to take advantage of them
>turn 5, everyone at 35+>have goblin electromancer out, do mana gesyer>cast boltwave>cast tempt with mayhem>reverb tempt with mayhem, targeting tempt with mayhem>no one wants to participate >fine fuck you, display of power, kill everyone
>>97294238yeah I want a commander for hostile auras
>>97294241>goblin electromancer>mana geyser
>>97294243A shame that so many hostile auras aren't curses. We already have the perfect commander for them
>>97294243ChatGPT gave me this:>Enchanted creatures your opponents control have “At the beginning of your upkeep, this creature deals 1 damage to you.”>Whenever an enchanted creature an opponent controls dies, you may return an Aura card from your graveyard to your hand.It needs tweaking because the 2nd effect doesn't say "enchanted by an aura you control" and it would effectively mean your auras never go away. I'd also edit it to hit all permanents so you have the widest range of options, black actually has a few land enchants.So maybe:>Permanents your opponents control enchanted by auras you control have "At the beginning of your upkeep, this permanent deals 1 damage to you">Whenever an aura you control attached to a permanent an opponent controls is sent from the battlefield to the graveyard, return up to 1 aura enchantment with a lower mana value from your graveyard to your hand.
>>97294272Buddy I KNOW you are the guy who posted her months ago because you're the only person in the world to have built her.Regrettably she fucking sucks. Only being able to move 1 curse off yourself per upkeep is BRUTAL. If you have 3 curses on the field and they all get popped, you're going to have at least 1 curse on you for the next 3 rotations. That is terrible.
>>97294279>Buddy I KNOW you are the guy who posted her months ago because you're the only person in the world to have built her.No, I'm not, and I haven't built her. I just searched scryfall for commanders with "curse" because I knew there was at least one out there but couldn't remember the name>Only being able to move 1 curse off yourself per upkeep is BRUTALWhich is precisely why I never built her
Dead general.
>>97294379
>>97294379All anons do here is bitch and moan anyway
I miss when this game has soul and 1 life actually mattered
Without mentioning race or UB status, make an argument for Yuna, Hope of Spira vs Anikthea, Hand of Erebos as commander of an enchantment reanimator deck.
Go fuck yourself blood moon player.
>>97294386Anikthea probably, gives access to one more color for more/better creatures. Yuna is better for combat-focused stuff though with trample, since Anikthea would suffer from chump blockers stopping you. Anikthea's stuff coming back as only 3/3s sounds annoying too, imo, especially if you're running the saga creatures
>>97294386anikthea is generally better unless the yuna hope of spira deck has a critical number of saga creatures to beat face with
>>97294379It's always dead at this time of day. Most of America is sleeping and Europosters are just waking up
>>97293805Well which would you choose then
>>97294386anikthea, being in abzan, has better tools for reanimation. while I personally like yuna just bringing the enchantment back with no muss or fuss, unless you intend to flicker them, those finality counters are gunna make you run out of steam pretty fast, especially as selesnya isn't exactly great at milling itself.
>>97294413lifestream's blessing and return of the wildspeaker obv, because they're instants
>>97294384for me it's magic the gathering (shandalar 1997)
>>97294418Based. Shandalar was/is goated. Wild they haven't ever went back to something like it. At least we have that fanmade one and 2015 modern mod.
>>97294413lifestream's blessing having foretell but it only removing a single green pip chaps my ass.
Unban her
>>97294428i assure you anon, prophet of kruphix is the only blue card that will ever come off that banlist
print 2 more common attractions or change the rules so I can play an attractions deck in pauper
>>97294449>attractions deck in pauperNeat. I went with Yarok with my main attractions deck. I take it you chose Dee Kay?
>>97294428I agree with this anon.
>Trying to get back into commander after taking a break for a few years>Head to LGS for the first time in forever>Hear about bracket system>Pick up some singles to update my decks>Remove all the game changers and non basic land hate to prevent drama >Eventually people show up and we get a game going >They all agree on "Strong bracket 3's">Dude plays fucking Jokulhaups in an enchantress deck>After the game they tell me I play "Too many sacrifice effects" and I need to tone it down >Not even playing gravepact or anything like that, just regular fleshbag creatures. Guess this game is not for me anymore huh?
>>97294464>had one bad experience>quits on the spotGood lord, anon.
>>97294464he cute
>>97294464Correctly point out to them that they are gay faggots
>>97294464Double down with Gravepact next time.
>>97294469I am not really quitting, its just discouraging.
>>97294464You know what you have to do. You need to add Gravepact, Dictate of Erebos, and tutors to find them.
>>97294495Neat, it was 32k several months ago. Obviously it's going to keep going up
>>97294453Attractions aren't legal in pauper thus my post. Sad!
>>97294464>>97294482did you end up winning, or did the game come to a crawl from the edict effects?
>>97294495
>>97294464>strong bracket 3s>yet MLD like jokulhaups abound>and people are shitting themselves over edict effects>anon also gimps himself by not using GCsdo mtg players not have phones with mobile data to look up bracket definitions? or have they really become that poor since they're proxying goddamn commons nowadays?
>>97294510I won 1/3 of the games. One of the games crawled but it was the jokulhaups game. >>97294519I know b3 can have a few but I just wanted to make sure I was not pub stomping with a group I did not know the power level of.
>>97294519>using bracketsok retard
>>97294530>rule zero casualok baby boy enjoy your unlimited mulligans
>>97294528i swear every single greentext post here about people blindsiding others can be resolved by the internet and standing up for yourself
>>97294539>standing up for yourself
>>97294541unfortunately i'm well aware of the limp wristed lib community this game has
>>97294539I am standing up for myself by removing myself from the playgroup. As based as it would have been to call them all retards first it would not change much else.
>>97294547fair enoughalso >>97294485 has the right idea
at least he is sure they aren’t fakes
>>97294495>>97294500Have any of them actually sold though?
>>97294556>norin sisters and UW controlanon how old is this picture
I feel like a retard cause I can watch my friends build decks out cards I would assume is dogshit. Their decklist will be like 40 lands and just like churn through cards, Fuck up my board state, and just 4 card combo off into a win. They not use a single GC, not that game changers matter. But my decks will just get tempo out by a $60 budget bullshit somehow, and I have no idea what I'm doing wrong.For example I have a Ygra eater of all deck. With all the synergies, and removal, and combos and shit. While my friend will play a budget Donal Herald of wings. And then somehow no matter how much removal I throw at it he'll get down to like 5 life and still win with some bullshit where like 6 cards all pop off and win. Idk what to do anymore.
>>97294556SOVL
>>97294279That might've been me. She's fun but I think she won a single game> I ended up enjoying Shiko and Narset jeskai curses way, way more.
>>97294577some commanders just do more with lessif all your friends play shit like korvold, chulane and prosper their decks will be strong even on a budget
>>97294577>friends>out tempo’d>no matter how much removal I throw at itIt’s going to be difficult to control 4 players when they’re running gas and you’re doing removal. You need to board wipe them. Massacre girl would rape those 1/1 birds. Post decklist.
>>97294589Bruh just said he got his ass beaten by Ronald McDonald though
I don't have moxfield so I had to import the text from manabox but here is my Ygra deck list1 Ygra, Eater of All6 Forest1 Torment of Hailfire1 Lotus Field1 Boseiju, Who Endures1 Shifting Woodland1 Traverse the Outlands1 Kodama's Reach1 Overwhelming Stampede1 Mosswort Bridge1 Shadowspear1 Nyxbloom Ancient1 Deadly Dispute1 Nine-Lives Familiar1 Amulet of Vigor1 Scute Swarm1 Withering Torment1 Force of Vigor1 Peregrin Took1 Come Back Wrong1 Camellia, the Seedmiser1 Toxic Deluge1 Worldly Tutor1 Dai Li Agents1 Wrenn and Realmbreaker6 Swamp1 Many Partings1 Pest Infestation1 Awaken the Woods1 Doubling Season1 Elanor Gardner1 Terrasymbiosis1 Innkeeper's Talent1 Tireless Provisioner1 Entish Restoration1 Lotus Cobra1 Crop Rotation1 Reanimate1 Rogue's Passage1 High Market1 Duskshell Crawler1 Beledros Witherbloom1 Atomize1 Blasphemous Edict1 The Cabbage Merchant1 Goldvein Hydra1 Pathbreaker Ibex1 Nuka-Cola Vending Machine1 Deathcap Glade1 Tempt with Discovery1 Arcane Signet1 Greensleeves, Maro-Sorcerer1 Undergrowth Stadium1 Starting Town1 Bristly Bill, Spine Sower1 Sakura-Tribe Elder1 Diabolic Intent1 Fade from History1 Maha, Its Feathers Night1 Ancient Brass Dragon1 Wasteland1 Mirkwood Bats1 Spore Frog1 Blooming Marsh1 Multiversal Passage1 Academy Manufactor1 Chitterspitter1 Nature's Claim1 The Earth Crystal1 Cabal Stronghold1 Experimental Confectioner1 Sol Ring1 Lightning Greaves1 Lumra, Bellow of the Woods1 Hardened Scales1 Revive the Shire1 Command Tower1 Eternal Witness1 Garruk's Uprising1 Urza's Cave1 Reflecting Pool1 Cultivate1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth1 Exotic Orchard1 Fabled Passage1 Cabal Coffers1 Woodland Cemetery1 Three Visits1 Overgrown Tomb1 Rapacious Guest
>>97294556> order a "lightly played" card off tcgplayer> its a fucking pringle
>>97294596>>97294589>>97294597Posted decklist forgot to tag
>>97294603Damn bro it's all over the place. Lumra? Amulet? Nuka Cola? Reanimate? Beledros? Deathcap? Greensleeves? Maha?
>>97294612You get what you pay for, poorfag. Cardkingdom is unionized and higher quality.Just proxy if you're too poor for real cards.
>give myself a papercut shuffling my deck>"wtf?" Look at sleeves>dragonshields have somehow stiffened and the corners are fucking sharpAny reccs for card sleeves that wont cut my soft-bitch skin?
>>97294651This is gonna sound stupid but I hate how all dragon shield art sleeves is literally just dragons. Not asking for anime shit but like what about snakes or vampires or something.
>>97294620I thought it was fine cause the commander saltiness website said it was a 7
>>97294603I'll just recommend this option instead because I don't like Withering Torment or Blasphemous Edict in Ygra, you're not capitalizing you're commander enough.
>>97294603Put titty goth elf in, you’re sacking stuff anyways might as well make your opponents do it. Plague engineer/Engineered Plague, call spirits all 1/1 spirits get absolutely fucked.Pestilence for consistent shitter removal of that blue donal guy is really griefing you. You seem to have landfall tossed in which seems kind of unfocused to me.
>>97294658Saltiness doesn't mean you can jam mean things and made your deck bricks. There's too much going on and you're spreading yourself thin on what you can do in certain moment. Speaking of combo, you don't even include the easiest line that came naturally with Ygra in Cauldron Familiar.
>>97294078Asking black players if they want a banana is funny, even funnier if they get buttmad.
>>97294733lmao
>>97294639No. Cardkingdom is the same thing but 2x the price. If you shop at cardkingdom, you are retarded
Prove RIGHT FUCKING NOW that you actually have a playgroup.You wont.
>>97294785its past midnight for most of the states, britbong.
START! YOUR! ENGINES!
>>97294847>wasn't named need for speed>and it's actually an incredibly slow mechanicwhat were they thinking
>>97294919>discard deez nuts
>>97294920>graveyard count:1.
fucking explain yourselves
>>97294961the human mind sees what it wants most.Anon.
>>97294961Osteoporosis
>>97294968Why don't I see 50 million dollars on his wrist then smart guy?
>>97295026>xhe doesn't know
>3 players left in game>player a has a giant voltron commander with trample and double strike, and an equipped Conquerors flail (on another creature)>player b has a big enough board presence to kill either player A or C but not both, also has a flyer - and has Path to exile in hand>player C has a lifelink flyer big enough to kill player A and the healing will put him out of player B's range>player C goes to kill A on his turn with the flyer, player B says he will use his Path to keep player A in the game, provided player A kills player C on his turn, which they agree to>player C argues this is a bad deal since A will just die to B after anyway, but the alternative is death and he might find an out from his draw so takes the deal>player A top decks an equipment that gives him lifelink. He follows the deal and swings at player C, who has one blocker. Player C is dead 100% of the time with no possible outs. However if he blocks , player A's commander will hit twice and therefore trigger lifelink twice, putting him out of player B's range. This does nothing to improve his chances of winning the game however, so ultimately just decides who winswhat should player C do there? C blocking basically dictates the outcome of the game, despite doing nothing to help himself. On the one hand blocking is 'technically' correct as its doing what you can to survive but it actually makes no difference. On the other hand not blocking means the voltron player dies on crackback from player B (we ended up with player C blocking , and player B had literally 1 damage too few to kill player A and lost)
>>97295116
>>97295116>>player C goes to kill A on his turn with the flyer, player B says he will use his Path to keep player A in the game, provided player A kills player C on his turn, which they agree to>>making deals in EDH>>muh politicscouldn’t be me
>>97294780Cardkingdom doesn't have retard lgs and cardboard 'investors' that 'forget' to mail me a card because it 10x'd between the time I ordered it and they managed to waddle out to the post.Fuck tcgplayer
>>97295116ideally he plays into the social aspect and kingmakes by asking A or B to get him a drink/pack of cards/whatever. see if they are willing to bid for their win.
As much as there is probably cause to dislike parts of Magic, we got it good compared to Yugioh
>>97295159so if you were player B you would have just let A die and then C heal out of your damage range and lose to B on your next turn?>>97295317that would be funny desu>>97295155edh discussion on my edh thread?
>>97294612i opened a bloomburrow 2-card collector pack and the foil came out curled
>>97294847>>97294871If anything it should have been called acceleration because the mechanic is all about the time it takes to reach top speed.
if i just want to slam down a threat and protect it rather than waiting till it gets removed and then putting out a different one, is it tempo?
>>97294243>I am a pig and I eat slop and I need daddy wotc to build my deck for me by giving me a commander that calls me a good kitten and lets me draw card when I do thing
Should this card be a game changer? It's too powerful...
>>97294561Supposedly. At least on tcgplayer
>>97295516It's tempo if >it's a specific threat that wins you the game if left unchecked>you intend to protect it from the turn it comes down to the turn the game ends>losing that threat sets you back remarkablyIf it's not all three, you're probably playing a variation of goodstuff or aggro. Voltron is technically a variation of tempo, for instance.
>>97294603You have 20-30 cards that have little to no synergy and too few lands. You should probably run more ramp too, ideally in the form of mana dorks since they are more cost effective and if they die it's not as big of a deal as it is in other decks.
>>97294651I don't know about cutting, but the cortex sleeves I find look a lot nicer and have a nice shuffle feel.Also these and pretty nice and very cheap, those not sure where they are available outside of canada https://a.co/d/9GAYIg9
>>97294785Correct. I don't take random pictures of our boards cause I'm not an attension whore or a spreg.
>>97294603As someone who has spent countless hours putting the cat in the oven, reading this list hurts my soul. Did you just grab the first slightly expensive green or black you saw?
>>97295540Game changers are powerful cards on their own.This, and spore frog, require set up to be looped, therefore can't really "change the game" on their own.
>>97295540>show this card at my lgs>people just scoop because they can't deal with it
>>97295638>Has buy-back>Needs set upOkay retard.
>>97295638That's fair... but also>azusa as commander>play one or however many "you may play lands from graveyards" effects>loop
>>97295652Voltron players in shambles
>>97295689>Fair, but also, did you consider this set-up that will make it loop when you said that it needs set-up to be looped and strong?
>>97295689>10+ mana 3 card combo
>>97295695Not really
>>97295671Let's just assume you are in a position when you have 3 opponents who can do damage to you.You're going to pay 6 mana and sac 3 lands per turn cycle without a way to recur your lands?
>>97295638this card requires less setup than glacial chasm
>>97295116>>97295159>muh politicsThe fact that kingmaking sharply increases when there are 3 players instead of 4 only incentivizes people to take opponents out equally with some form of combo
>>97294785This is a picture of a board state and proves nothing. Post the texts that confirm game plans.
>>97295703>Turn 3 azusa>turn 4 play lands from graveyard effect>turn 5 access to constant mists all the time>>97295697>the set up is the commander and one card out of a pool of ~5 cardsAs I said, you are right, game chabgers shoyod stand on their own, regardless of boardstate, and constant mists does requires setup, but that setup is piss easy.
>>97295870No it doesnt? Objectively so. Requires more mana, more setup, and more resources.
>>97295638>Game changers are powerful cards on their own.Thassa's Oracle isn't good on its own
>>97295159How is it even possible to get this fat?
>>97295971Thoracle is more a victim of its effiency as a 2cmc wincon once you exile your library, jace wielder of mysteries also wins on the spot but you dont hear people kvetching about him
>>97295708God I've started putting this in every single deck I run because it does so much work. It's surprising how few people run artifact removal
>>97294785>taking pictures of nearly empty boardstatesDo you take pictures of your matcha lattes as well?
>>97296003You underestimate just how fucking awful food in America is, and how little exercise these people ever get.
>>97295967remember when this shit was like ₹5 or w/e
>>97295907incorrect
>>97296032>5 Indian Rupee equals 0.056 United States DollarYeah I mean it still is that cheap, so.......??
>~95% of /edhg/ dont have an answer somewhere in their deck for when this trash tier land hits the boardexplain
>>97296049>*blocks your path*not so fast, titania-kun
>>97296049If someone wants to pay dozens of life to stall for a few turns then okay yeah whatever. If they have some bullshit jank that gains them hundreds of life to keep it up then whatever who cares, scoop and play again
>>97295967>he has to run trash like this in his deck because some fag is looping fogs every turn in his playgroup
>>97296047i meant dollars, ok?
>>97296060What do you do if this gets milled or exiled though?
>>97296049>people disproportionately rely only on combat damage to win>a subset of said people intentionally dont include combos in their decks even when it makes sense to do so>nobody brings actual good land hate that doesnt trigger MLD like blood sun>nobody brings gravehate
>>97296073What do you do if your fucking land gets milled or exiled??? Dumbass
>>97296073>milledGaea's blessing>exiledriftsweeper
>>97296077Well it's a lands deck so they probably have several methods of bringing lands back from the gy.I'm not the lands guy, I just get frog locked sometimes and I'm trying to find cards that actually function in my deck that can get around them without being useless in every other matchup. >>97296083Like I could never imagine running all of these just to keep a utility creature that's only useful in a specific matchup on the board. At that point I should just build a dedicated deck for it.
>>97296037Nope. Would love to hear your reasoning. Chasm needs one card and no additional mana. Fog needs multiple of both
>>97296106they are good cards on their own.your decks should have like 3/4 flex slots.
>>97292711you can say this for a lot of commanders though.too many commanders totally rely on the commanders ability to pop off.its like the deck is all filler for the commanders effect.I havent made a Terra deck and I wont because it suffers from the issue that no one will let you tranform her, its gonna get removed.I built Kuja instead because its more of a slow burn and wont get instantly deleted from the board. and its a rare commander where if it does get deleted, when you replay it you get more value later.
why does 99% of commanders have to be humanoid? I feel like dinosaurs and dragons are the only non-humanoid legendary creatures they still putout, otherwise it's a human but with fur or scales at most
>>97293596Risen ReefTHE MASTER, MULTIPLIED (you dont need to sac token to the effect if his on the field)Maelstrom WandererRumbleweedi dont know of others. anyone can help out?
>>97296049>>97296073>Do you have a way to deal with this?>Yes>OH YEAH?! WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU DON'T HAVE IT SMART GUY???What a retarded reaction to someone answering your hypothetical.
>>97296073>milled Graveyard is a second hand.>exiledUse one of my other damage can't be prevented effects, kill them with loss of life instead of damage, mill them out, let them watch from the cuck chair while I put "You win the game" on the stack.
>>97296130Half of the content this year was UB slop and there are still a few nonhumanoid commanders anon it really is not that bad of an issue. It was a lot WORSE in the past.
>>97296130>hydras, sphinxes, leviathans, krakens, octopuses and serpents: are we a joke to you?!
>>97296130>99% of commandersThey're not, don't be fucking retarded.
>>97296149actually, yes
>>97296156Dumbass casual spotted
>hmmmm, I have to design something that's a robot in a set themed about speed, I sure better just make it a bipedal upright robot with two arms, if it moved in another way people wouldn't call it a robot
>>97296130>why does 99% of commanders have to be humanoid?Remember kids, the more hyperbolic you are, the bigger your penis is!
>>97296156Foolish moral
>jellyfish advisor you say? I'll start the sketch with human torso and head then
>>97294150Do you sincerely not understand why this is a bad argument?
>>97296201The average IQ of the US in in the low 90's. That means half of people are lower than that. Corps entire purpose is to appeal to the lcd. Don't think too hard on it.
Waiting for him to somehow spin this into something about leftist politics like he always does
the leftists don't want you to have non-humanoid commanders
>What? Do thing draw card is bad design?>Okay then
CaracasLegendary LandT: add WT: Extradite Nicolas Maduro to the USA
>>97296130Wow if we just exclude all anthropomorphic nonhumans, all dragons, and all dinosaurs, there are just such slim pickings for non humanoid commanders!
>>97296270unironically yes
>>97296291wow i only view you as a picky eater (childish) then. these are literally just ones i could find released in the last like two years. grow up
>>97296296>Only mondrak, not the other dominuses(SP?)>Just two of OjerThere is a lot more that you missed too just from the last 2 years
>>97296296would rather be a picky eater than a slop consumer
>>97296314>Why are the all just non-humanoids?!>Here are all of these>Those are slop, they don't countPathetic.
>>97296049id rather play a commander beacon than this meme jank
>>97296324try doing some logical thinking exercises to warm up your mind before posting
>>97296314i excluded all UB non-humanoid, non-dragon, non-dinosaurs dont worry
>>97296314>all humanoid commanders are slopWat
>>97296130Sounds like a (You) issue.My commander is a boat.
>>97296166Holy shit that is such an ugly fucking card
>>97296458Sphinxes in general are ugly and stupid looking
>>97296130I hate humans and I love fantasizing about getting fucked by monsters so I should be the target demographic for non-humanoid commanders, right? Let's look at my decks.>human woman>elf man>human man>phyrexian (evil black man)>human man>squirrel>boat>robot>man with dog>man with wings + goblinWell would you look at that.
>>97296545>>97296545>so I should be the target demographic for non-humanoid commanderNo
>why does everything have to be humanoid? have they ran out of design ideas?
>>97296555I want to fantasize about my commanders but nothing I have is worth fantasizing about.Dragon and dino decks are slop. I've tried.
>>97296340Anon that would only be relevant if you were behaving logically, which you arent.
>>97296545Go away FAGGOT
>>97296411vehicle commanders is honestly the greatest rule change they did in a long while, most of them are just fun
>>97296616to bad there's almost none of either yet. I'm not excited about star trek except for maybe a fun spaceship commander.
>>97294541RESISY
>>97296732I'm hoping that it does in fact have a spaceship commander that cares about spaceships EOE didn't actually have that for some reason, which is still weirdwould it really have been that hard to include a carrier craft or giant space ship factory or something like that? Ideally combining spacecraft and vehicle matters into oneI actually tried to make the Inspirit into a full spacecraft commander but it just doesn't do much, 2 charge counters is fuckall for spacecraft while also being incredibly strong for anything with charge counters that's not a spacecraft
>>97296564Don't play tribal slop then
>>97296775There needs to be a vehicle or spacecraft commander who crews/stations ford an equal amount whenever the other occurs. maybe for half the value to make it vaguely fair.
I like the idea of collecting gates. But I have no idea how I actually want to win with her
>>97296853Have you considered the gate card that says "you win the game" on it?
Probably a stupid question, but due to its clause, this isn't like Aurelia where if you make a token of her, or flicker her you yet infinite combats right?
>>97296819maybe have it use temporary charge counters that are removed at the end of turn? to sort of mimic crewing on spacecraft there's a fair amount of things that could or should have been done with spacecraft that just weren't, the most popular spacecraft is a fairly generic landfall commander
>>97296858I was unaware that maze’s end exists
>>97294464BASEDASED
>>97296862>If it’s the first combat phase of the turnWhat do you think?
>>97296862>first combat phase of the turnIf you have something like Helm of the Host to clone her they'll trigger multiple times, but tokens or flickers won't stop it from no longer being the first combat phase
>>97294464> consenting to bracketsDid it to yourself
>>97296130I have these built, but all my other 31 decks are humanoid, so fair I guess.
>>97296049you need 2 cards to get rid of this
>>97296897>Don't use the official systemOnly pubstompers say this
Bring it back now yall!
>>97296916Incorrect, and actually the opposite
>>97296917Do you think this is a combo
>>97296923Ask him if he thinks it’s GOOD
>>97296049the issue isn't having removal for itthe issue is that land recursion is ridiculously easy so you need to remove it every single turn
>>97296939I'm gonna suck of your land, then I'm gonna suck your dick, handsome.
>>97296130Congratulations you got me, I know it's bait but you got me anyway.
>>97296939But literally every deck has access to an answer
my commander area red man and a big man (ogre and devil)a dead man (zombie)a woman (a pseudo man)a blue man (djinn)a purple man (thiefling)a treemaneveryman (a shapeshifter)
>>97296923>>97296935Infinite sac triggers
>>97296973>Put into your graveyard from your library
>>97296973How do you figure that, anon? What does the 3rd block of text on Colossal Grave Reaper say? The line beginning “Whenever one or more creatures…”
>>97296973>sac it>nothing happens cause it entered from the battlefield, not the library>???
>>97296989>>97296990>>97296994It entered the battlefield from the library so it goes onto the battlefield, you sacrifice it, it goes onto the battlefield again, you sacrifice it again, etc.Fleshbag Marauder says all players, not all opponents, so you can repeatedly sacrifice it to its own ability and then it comes back.
>>97297010Anon. It entered the battlefield. For its ETB to go off, it has to be in the battlefield zone. So no. It does not loop that way.
>>97297010>graveyard from your libraryI really hope this is bait
>>97297022>>97297024It was milled from the library originally.
>>97297028That is irrelevant. Its going from your library to your graveyard, from your graveyard to the battlefield, then from the battlefield back to your graveyard.It does not touch your library again to loop
>>97297010Buddy. I don't know what more I can do to help you. Look at pic related, please, we're worried about you.It doesn't come back buddy, Please tell us you understand that it doesn't come back.
>>97297028Yes? And? That happened once. The next time it was put into the graveyard it was put there from the battlefield and not your library.
building my first gruul deck, want to make it work regardless of the commanderpower matters, +1/+1 or both?
We have entered the shitposting phase, I'm baking new.
>>97297028Woah, so if I cast picrel from my habd, then it dies, every time it returns to the battlefield, it gets all its counters back, right? Cause I did cast it originally.
>>97297038>>97297039>>97297046Alright let me explain this.Grave reaper enters, milling fleshbag marauder and another creature. Fleshbag marauder and the other creature enter the battlefield, you sacrifice fleshbag marauder. Grave reaper sees fleshbag marauder entered the battlefield, and it was milled from the library earlier in the turn, so it comes back. Repeat this until all opponents have no creatures and then sacrifice another creature to end the loop (so you don't sacrifice your own creatures).
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>>97297057Oh, I get it now, thanks.
>>97297072>>97297072>>97297072
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>>97297055>if you cast it
>>97297078Yeah but I originally cast it so it goes infinite.Just providing another retarded nonexample.
>>97297065if the monkeys were slightly less dogshit then maybe
>>97296899How do you get screenshots of cards in a row like that?Anyways, how is the frog commander? I want to build a frog-themed deck for sure.
>>97297142https://old.photojoiner.com/Just grab your cards off scryfall and use this.Used to be in the OP
>>97297010>>97296917Zoomers should be put down. We need a lost generation.
>>97297057ah ok yeah you are right, sorry anon
>>97296064Glacial Chasm is mainly played in lands decks that have no issue recurring it over and over again.
>>97296411but have you considered that it was built by and crewed by humans?
>>97297057Sounds like something That Kid on the playground would try to convince everybody else was real because his dad works at Magic.
